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   5 2011-11-22 00:08:42 <Edward_Black> Hey iddo, is this the anonymization scheme you were refering to : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=12751.msg315793#msg315793 ? (posting in dev cause more or less coin-coding related)
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  24 2011-11-22 00:30:23 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr maintree * r61cbcdc430a5 gentoo/net-p2p/bitcoin-qt/ (Manifest bitcoin-qt-0.5.0.ebuild metadata.xml): net-p2p/bitcoin-qt: import 0.5.0 from master
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  27 2011-11-22 00:36:31 <tcatm> whoa, my .bitcoin directory grew to 12GB on a system that I only use for collecting statistics (i.e. no wallet usage)
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  38 2011-11-22 00:40:13 <BlueMatt> tcatm: have you had a chance to do 0.5.0 gitian builds?
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  47 2011-11-22 00:46:59 <jgarzik> tcatm: all logs?
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  54 2011-11-22 01:04:27 <jrmithdobbs> tcatm: you have to bounce it to get it to kill debug.log and the bdb txn logs
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  61 2011-11-22 01:12:01 <tcatm> jgarzik: 7GB logs, 3.6GB that du -sh shows, but not ls -la
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  63 2011-11-22 01:12:44 <tcatm> BlueMatt: no. I can't find my gitian vm and doing such long builds on a laptop isn't fun
  64 2011-11-22 01:21:02 <BlueMatt> tcatm: the builds arent that bad anymore...
  65 2011-11-22 01:21:57 <tcatm> how long will it take?
  66 2011-11-22 01:22:51 <denisx> I needed this to build on freebsd: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/637
  67 2011-11-22 01:23:40 <denisx> and I added netinet/in.h and sys/socket.h to protocol.cpp
  68 2011-11-22 01:23:50 <gavinandresen> denisx: I believe there's another pull request with a different fix for that (#including boost/foreach.hpp or something)
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  70 2011-11-22 01:24:42 <gavinandresen> wait, no, it was a patch in an email, not a pull request....
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  72 2011-11-22 01:27:51 <gavinandresen> wait, no, it is another issue:  https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/645
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  75 2011-11-22 01:30:44 <andreiu> anyone with FPGA knowlege arround?
  76 2011-11-22 01:31:02 <tcatm> btw, how are gitian sigs used?
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  83 2011-11-22 01:43:27 <BlueMatt> tcatm: depends on the machine, on my laptop a build might take up to like 10 minutes...
  84 2011-11-22 01:44:05 <BlueMatt> tcatm: first of all, Im looking for gitian build outs because I cant duplicate gavin's builds...
  85 2011-11-22 01:45:07 <BlueMatt> tcatm: but gitian sigs can be used to do trusted updates in the future
  86 2011-11-22 01:45:21 <BlueMatt> tcatm: my hope is to eventually get around to doing automated updates of bitcoin-qt on win32 via gitian
  87 2011-11-22 01:46:57 <tcatm> Okay, I'll try it out tomorrow.
  88 2011-11-22 01:49:26 <BlueMatt> thanks
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 103 2011-11-22 02:14:04 <luke-jr> tcatm: bitcoin.org should probably offer at least wxBitcoin for download too
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 105 2011-11-22 02:14:13 <luke-jr> it is, after all, the most popular client right now
 106 2011-11-22 02:17:23 <luke-jr> weusecoins.com needs updating too
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 108 2011-11-22 02:27:19 <WakiMiko_> $ qmake USE_UPNP=-
 109 2011-11-22 02:27:19 <WakiMiko_> Project MESSAGE: Building without UPNP support
 110 2011-11-22 02:27:19 <WakiMiko_> Project MESSAGE: Building with UPNP support
 111 2011-11-22 02:27:23 <WakiMiko_> ^^ whats up with that?
 112 2011-11-22 02:27:46 <luke-jr> a bug.
 113 2011-11-22 02:27:50 <luke-jr> one too trivial to fix I suppose
 114 2011-11-22 02:28:09 <WakiMiko_> k, it seems to get build corretcly though
 115 2011-11-22 02:28:15 <WakiMiko_> (without upnp that is)
 116 2011-11-22 02:28:36 <luke-jr> yeah
 117 2011-11-22 02:28:41 <luke-jr> the second message is from lrelease or some bs
 118 2011-11-22 02:37:27 <denisx> someone should change the topic
 119 2011-11-22 02:42:23 <luke-jr> LOL
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 127 2011-11-22 03:06:14 <phungus> does 0.3.24 harm the network and security?
 128 2011-11-22 03:06:20 <phungus> just curious
 129 2011-11-22 03:06:47 <Diablo-D3> fuck, we're at 0.5 already?
 130 2011-11-22 03:06:50 <Diablo-D3> phungus: yes
 131 2011-11-22 03:07:02 <Diablo-D3> almost every version has had some security update
 132 2011-11-22 03:07:18 <phungus> I thought 0.3.24 > 0.4.0 was wallet encryption, mostly
 133 2011-11-22 03:07:31 <Diablo-D3> thats still security.
 134 2011-11-22 03:07:43 <Diablo-D3> blueMatt: btw, wtf, we get cves now?
 135 2011-11-22 03:07:49 <Diablo-D3> since when was bitcoin big enough to get cves
 136 2011-11-22 03:07:51 <phungus> well, yes, but I meant were there any holes introduced after 0.4.0 that wouldn't be in 0.3.24?
 137 2011-11-22 03:07:54 <BlueMatt> phungus: no, that comment is referring to 0.3.23-
 138 2011-11-22 03:08:06 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: nfc, I think luke got it filed
 139 2011-11-22 03:08:23 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: stop being a noob
 140 2011-11-22 03:08:25 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: and for the record, it doesnt take much to be able to get a cve
 141 2011-11-22 03:08:40 <Diablo-D3> dude, I should get a cve on DM
 142 2011-11-22 03:08:49 <luke-jr> DM has security holes?
 143 2011-11-22 03:08:56 <BlueMatt> heh, you probably could (if you have holes)
 144 2011-11-22 03:08:58 <Diablo-D3> CVE-xxxx-xxxx: Caution: DM might cause erections lasting longer than 4 hours
 145 2011-11-22 03:09:30 <lianj> then they are gone forever
 146 2011-11-22 03:09:43 <Diablo-D3> yes, because your dick exploded
 147 2011-11-22 03:09:59 <Diablo-D3> like a hotdog in a microwave
 148 2011-11-22 03:10:00 <upb> when do you start masking security bugs in commit messages ?:p
 149 2011-11-22 03:10:17 <Diablo-D3> upb: well
 150 2011-11-22 03:10:19 <upb> since bugs are just bugs (c) linus
 151 2011-11-22 03:10:19 <Diablo-D3> I do it like this
 152 2011-11-22 03:10:23 <Diablo-D3> if there is a fuckup
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 154 2011-11-22 03:10:33 <Diablo-D3> I write "Goddamnit, fucking work this time"
 155 2011-11-22 03:11:07 <Diablo-D3> I have very few of those in DM
 156 2011-11-22 03:11:11 <Diablo-D3> so I must be doing something right
 157 2011-11-22 03:11:18 <upb> :)
 158 2011-11-22 03:11:39 <Diablo-D3> blueMatt: whoever packaged the bitcoin tgz is a fag
 159 2011-11-22 03:11:49 <Diablo-D3> bitcoin-0.5.0rc7-linux
 160 2011-11-22 03:11:50 <Diablo-D3> srsly?
 161 2011-11-22 03:11:53 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: its automatically done via github
 162 2011-11-22 03:12:00 <BlueMatt> oh, the release, no thats manual
 163 2011-11-22 03:12:10 <Diablo-D3> go fix it.
 164 2011-11-22 03:12:16 <BlueMatt> whats wrong with it?
 165 2011-11-22 03:12:27 <Diablo-D3> [09:56:35] <Diablo-D3> bitcoin-0.5.0rc7-linux
 166 2011-11-22 03:12:33 <BlueMatt> in the release one?
 167 2011-11-22 03:12:36 <Diablo-D3> yes
 168 2011-11-22 03:12:57 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: ping
 169 2011-11-22 03:13:33 <Diablo-D3> oh fuck, it has a splash image now?
 170 2011-11-22 03:13:35 <Diablo-D3> goddamnitsomuch
 171 2011-11-22 03:13:44 <BlueMatt> now thats something to bring up with wumpus
 172 2011-11-22 03:14:03 <Diablo-D3> the ui, it is ugly
 173 2011-11-22 03:14:19 <BlueMatt> now thats something to bring up with wumpus
 174 2011-11-22 03:14:28 <BlueMatt> (he designed/wrote it
 175 2011-11-22 03:14:29 <cocktopus> put some java magic on that shit, Diablo-D3
 176 2011-11-22 03:14:30 <BlueMatt> )
 177 2011-11-22 03:14:44 <Diablo-D3> wumpus: stop ruining bitcoin
 178 2011-11-22 03:15:48 <Diablo-D3> and fuck, now I have to figure out why qt isnt copying my gtk theme
 179 2011-11-22 03:21:47 <phungus> So, if I can't really code C++, can I still help the dev effort?
 180 2011-11-22 03:21:52 <phungus> maybe by being a fluffer?
 181 2011-11-22 03:21:57 <luke-jr> phungus: translate?
 182 2011-11-22 03:22:00 <phungus> how would that work, IRC fluffer
 183 2011-11-22 03:22:04 <phungus> ?
 184 2011-11-22 03:22:10 <phungus> :-)
 185 2011-11-22 03:22:16 <phungus> just being silly, sorry
 186 2011-11-22 03:22:30 <BlueMatt> phungus: translate or really a lot of testing
 187 2011-11-22 03:22:37 <phungus> hmm
 188 2011-11-22 03:22:45 <phungus> I only sorta know english
 189 2011-11-22 03:22:47 <phungus> heh
 190 2011-11-22 03:22:55 <cocktopus> fluffer, that's a new one, does that just mean contributing ideas
 191 2011-11-22 03:23:04 <phungus> hehah
 192 2011-11-22 03:23:16 <phungus> the bitcoin fluffer
 193 2011-11-22 03:24:24 <cocktopus> hopefully it doesn't mean adding junk to the client though
 194 2011-11-22 03:24:33 <cocktopus> its fairly heavy
 195 2011-11-22 03:29:27 <phungus> he ain't heavy, he's my brother
 196 2011-11-22 03:30:03 <Diablo-D3> =|
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 199 2011-11-22 03:47:35 <Diablo-D3> ooh
 200 2011-11-22 03:47:38 <Diablo-D3> deb packages amd-sdk now
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 230 2011-11-22 05:15:43 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: pong
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 234 2011-11-22 05:26:55 <coingenuity> hey jgarzik
 235 2011-11-22 05:27:03 <coingenuity> you dunno me, but i know you >.>
 236 2011-11-22 05:27:09 <coingenuity> wanted to say thanks for all the coding hours
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 238 2011-11-22 05:28:15 <copumpkin> ತ_ತ
 239 2011-11-22 05:30:26 <coingenuity> its coo copumpkin everyone IRL think's i'm just as creepy
 240 2011-11-22 05:31:56 <copumpkin> oh, that's good. I was mostly concerned about a mismatch between your online persona and your in-person one
 241 2011-11-22 05:32:36 <coingenuity> dont worry, I'm just as ridiculous in-person
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 264 2011-11-22 06:29:30 <devrandom> ;;later tell BlueMatt uploaded my 0.5.0 sigs for linux, but I'm not getting matches for win32. Will be busy tomorrow, but can try again on Wed.
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 293 2011-11-22 08:32:42 <denisx> in push poll I mean
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 333 2011-11-22 10:51:42 <coingenuity> tcatm: probably for RPC?
 334 2011-11-22 10:51:49 <coingenuity> don't quote me on that
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 348 2011-11-22 11:49:42 <cjdelisle> http://curvecp.org/packets.html
 349 2011-11-22 11:50:17 <cjdelisle> I can't remember who it was who was interested in adding encryption but CurveCP would solve a bunch of problems at once
 350 2011-11-22 11:50:51 <cjdelisle> it's "message based" like UDP without the size limit
 351 2011-11-22 11:51:21 <cjdelisle> and it runs over UDP so a lot of nat issues vanish
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 363 2011-11-22 12:18:29 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Nils Schneider master * r4b53cff / (src/qt/bitcoin.qrc src/qt/locale/bitcoin_it.ts): add italian translation - http://git.io/PHcCLQ
 364 2011-11-22 12:18:29 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Nils Schneider master * r50aa850 / (5 files): update translations: da de nl ru zh_TW - http://git.io/u1oFkg
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 413 2011-11-22 14:16:43 <Prattler> Hello, any idea why my bitcoin node suddenly has 102 connections? Have been running it for months, it usually peaked at 50, most.
 414 2011-11-22 14:16:58 <Prattler> Haven't upgraded it, still 0.3.24.
 415 2011-11-22 14:17:12 <sipa> maybe your node was chosen by one of the DNS seeds temporarily
 416 2011-11-22 14:18:23 <Prattler> thanks, will read into it
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 432 2011-11-22 15:20:05 <graingert> sweet a new version of bitcoin
 433 2011-11-22 15:25:15 <SomeoneWeird> yerp
 434 2011-11-22 15:27:12 <luke-jr> two
 435 2011-11-22 15:27:58 <graingert> well
 436 2011-11-22 15:28:02 <graingert> there can only be one
 437 2011-11-22 15:28:12 <graingert> if the second version would make the first old
 438 2011-11-22 15:29:00 <iz> two versions can be new to a person that hasn't seen either yet and is still on an old version
 439 2011-11-22 15:29:12 <SomeoneWeird> true;
 440 2011-11-22 15:30:30 <graingert> those are simply newer
 441 2011-11-22 15:31:28 <iz> hmm.. i think maybe you are confusing 'newest' with 'new'
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 444 2011-11-22 15:37:41 <helo> woah, there's a newest version of bitcoin!
 445 2011-11-22 15:41:02 <UukGoblin> there's ALWAYS a newest version of bitcoin?
 446 2011-11-22 15:41:14 <luke-jr> graingert: 0.4.1 and 0.5.0
 447 2011-11-22 15:41:34 <sipa> there's two newest versions even!
 448 2011-11-22 15:41:46 <sipa> and technically 0.4.1 is even newer
 449 2011-11-22 15:42:03 <luke-jr> well, it shouldn't be
 450 2011-11-22 15:42:08 <luke-jr> 0.5.0 shouldn't have been released yet
 451 2011-11-22 15:42:14 <sipa> please
 452 2011-11-22 15:42:24 <sipa> yes, in retrospect we should have waited
 453 2011-11-22 15:42:31 <graingert> ah the security release
 454 2011-11-22 15:42:41 <graingert> luke-jr: why not?
 455 2011-11-22 15:42:50 <graingert> also why was the PPA not mentioned on the website?
 456 2011-11-22 15:42:51 <AliciaC> is there anything in particular that is new in those versions? :)
 457 2011-11-22 15:43:01 <graingert> bugfix
 458 2011-11-22 15:43:07 <graingert> and the QT one is much better
 459 2011-11-22 15:43:12 <sipa> AliciaC: security fix is in both, new UI and features are only in 0.5.0
 460 2011-11-22 15:43:12 <luke-jr> graingert: too buggy: I fixed a notable bug within an hour of the release. and unfinished: the security fix is always English.
 461 2011-11-22 15:43:20 <graingert> ah
 462 2011-11-22 15:43:24 <graingert> no translations?
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 464 2011-11-22 15:43:26 <luke-jr> AliciaC: 0.4.1 is strictly bugfixes on top of 0.4.0
 465 2011-11-22 15:43:37 <luke-jr> graingert: no, there's translations-- just not affecting the security fix
 466 2011-11-22 15:43:46 <luke-jr> graingert: so the "restart me" message is English only
 467 2011-11-22 15:43:50 <graingert> ah
 468 2011-11-22 15:43:53 <graingert> pants
 469 2011-11-22 15:44:18 <luke-jr> anyhow, hopefully 0.5.1 will be quick :P
 470 2011-11-22 15:44:28 <wereHamster> new UI? Have to check that out
 471 2011-11-22 15:45:36 <luke-jr> Bitcoin-Qt (0.5) is basically a new client
 472 2011-11-22 15:45:55 <luke-jr> wxBitcoin (0.4 and earlier) is discontinued, unless someone wants to pick it up
 473 2011-11-22 15:46:40 <graingert> which is unlikely
 474 2011-11-22 15:48:25 <luke-jr> unfortunately
 475 2011-11-22 15:48:37 <luke-jr> I'd personally love to see a more competitive environment
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 477 2011-11-22 15:49:24 <sipa> I'd personally love to see the codebase better separated (even though still compiled into a single exectuable, for now), so that it becomes easy to implement and maintain multiple UI's
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 479 2011-11-22 15:49:39 <wereHamster> ah, just the UI new. it's still torturing my disk like mad when starting up...
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 482 2011-11-22 15:51:35 <graingert> sipa: a backend deamon over dbus
 483 2011-11-22 15:51:38 <graingert> is where it's at
 484 2011-11-22 15:51:44 <upb> LOL
 485 2011-11-22 15:51:50 <upb> not sure if srs
 486 2011-11-22 15:52:09 <wereHamster> graingert: does 0.5 use dbus?
 487 2011-11-22 15:52:16 <graingert> no
 488 2011-11-22 15:52:23 <graingert> it's got a compiled in client
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 629 2011-11-22 15:54:32 <graingert> woot
 630 2011-11-22 15:54:33 <copumpkin> graingert: now
 631 2011-11-22 15:54:34 <copumpkin> :)
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 633 2011-11-22 15:55:12 <chmod755> damn i wanted to try that in /query :s
 634 2011-11-22 15:55:24 <graingert> yeah yeah
 635 2011-11-22 15:55:31 <graingert> +stab chmod755
 636 2011-11-22 15:55:51 <iz> lol
 637 2011-11-22 15:56:46 <graingert> where the hell were we before that "interuption"
 638 2011-11-22 15:56:52 <SomeoneWeird> lol
 639 2011-11-22 15:59:30 <z310> haha
 640 2011-11-22 16:00:24 <luke-jr> wereHamster: graingert: Bitcoin-Qt *does* use dbus…
 641 2011-11-22 16:00:54 <luke-jr> but only for popup notifications
 642 2011-11-22 16:01:02 <graingert> that's cheating
 643 2011-11-22 16:01:02 <luke-jr> ie, when you receive funds, it pops up a message
 644 2011-11-22 16:01:19 <graingert> the bitcoind should operate over dbus
 645 2011-11-22 16:01:30 <graingert> and the guis can communicate over that
 646 2011-11-22 16:01:30 <wereHamster> btw, congrats for not destroying my wallet during the upgrade to 0.5 :P
 647 2011-11-22 16:01:45 <luke-jr> graingert: perhaps, but it might be a security issue
 648 2011-11-22 16:01:51 <luke-jr> wereHamster: sure hope you have a backup
 649 2011-11-22 16:02:00 <wereHamster> time machine, yes :)
 650 2011-11-22 16:02:01 <graingert> luke-jr: well if someone has access to dbus
 651 2011-11-22 16:02:04 <luke-jr> wereHamster: during RCs, some people DID report corruption
 652 2011-11-22 16:02:07 <graingert> they have access to your disk
 653 2011-11-22 16:02:10 <luke-jr> but afaik nobody was able to reproduce
 654 2011-11-22 16:02:14 <luke-jr> graingert: not necessarily
 655 2011-11-22 16:02:32 <sipa> luke-jr: it occurred to me a few times
 656 2011-11-22 16:02:41 <sipa> though not consistently
 657 2011-11-22 16:02:44 <luke-jr> sipa: but not in a way you could debug/fix?
 658 2011-11-22 16:02:55 <graingert> http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-specification.html#auth-protocol
 659 2011-11-22 16:02:56 <luke-jr> that really should have been mentioned in the release notes :/
 660 2011-11-22 16:03:11 <sipa> luke-jr: it was fixed in rc7, by not removing the last log file
 661 2011-11-22 16:03:20 <luke-jr> ah
 662 2011-11-22 16:03:32 <luke-jr> sipa: but wasn't that a recent addition?
 663 2011-11-22 16:03:41 <luke-jr> the reports I heard were from before the security issue
 664 2011-11-22 16:03:41 <sipa> it was added in rc5 or so
 665 2011-11-22 16:04:15 <wereHamster> I see you still havent' solved the problem of slow blocklist download
 666 2011-11-22 16:04:23 <wereHamster> initial blocklist download ..
 667 2011-11-22 16:05:12 <luke-jr> that's intentional, to troll newbies.
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 669 2011-11-22 16:05:41 <luke-jr> jk
 670 2011-11-22 16:06:08 <wereHamster> admit it, you want all the btcs for you alone
 671 2011-11-22 16:06:20 <sipa> that would be rather pointless
 672 2011-11-22 16:06:26 <luke-jr> :p
 673 2011-11-22 16:07:58 <wereHamster> does the client work over ipv6?
 674 2011-11-22 16:08:28 <graingert> yep
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 676 2011-11-22 16:08:53 <marf_away> and ipv8?
 677 2011-11-22 16:09:30 <sipa> luke-jr and i wrote patches for ipv6 support, but they are not (yet) part of mainline
 678 2011-11-22 16:09:42 <luke-jr> wereHamster: no
 679 2011-11-22 16:10:39 * sipa thinks IP versions should be equal to the size (in bytes) of their addresses
 680 2011-11-22 16:10:43 <sipa> ipv16!
 681 2011-11-22 16:11:29 <wereHamster> bummer. I have a server with a static address and I'm running bitcoind on it. In case the network needs more fallback nodes
 682 2011-11-22 16:12:23 <Dagger3> sipa: it's close to that... version v has n^(v+1) bits
 683 2011-11-22 16:12:59 <sipa> 2^(v+1), indeed!
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 687 2011-11-22 16:16:17 <graingert> you can add v6 addresses to the bitcoin.cong
 688 2011-11-22 16:16:20 <graingert> conf*
 689 2011-11-22 16:19:02 <sipa> it won't connect to them
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 694 2011-11-22 16:30:27 * BlueMatt likes jgarzik's contribution to the kernel name for 2.6.22 - "Jeff Thinks I Should Change This, But To What?"
 695 2011-11-22 16:31:31 <tcatm> hey BlueMatt
 696 2011-11-22 16:31:46 <BlueMatt> hi
 697 2011-11-22 16:31:47 <tcatm> I'm having some trouble running bin/make-base-vm --arch amd64 ...
 698 2011-11-22 16:32:31 <tcatm> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=b8SfZ89k
 699 2011-11-22 16:32:38 <[eval]> if bitcoind supported ipv6, you could run it over onioncat :>
 700 2011-11-22 16:33:23 <BlueMatt> tcatm: odd, did you happen to run an lsof | grep /tmp/tmp2ZSRwz yet?
 701 2011-11-22 16:33:44 <tcatm> no result
 702 2011-11-22 16:33:56 <tcatm> I've tried it like 5 times, with reboots inbetween. same error
 703 2011-11-22 16:34:44 <BlueMatt> tcatm: well it seems like you arent alone:
 704 2011-11-22 16:34:45 <BlueMatt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vm-builder/+bug/879710
 705 2011-11-22 16:35:11 <BlueMatt> (there is a workaround there)
 706 2011-11-22 16:37:32 <sipa> [eval]: https://github.com/sipa/bitcoin/tree/ipv6
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 708 2011-11-22 16:51:18 <wereHamster> tcatm: hi. long time no see :)
 709 2011-11-22 16:53:17 <tcatm> wereHamster: hey. yep.
 710 2011-11-22 16:53:50 <wereHamster> tcatm: still working on optimizing the sse code?
 711 2011-11-22 16:54:18 <tcatm> nope
 712 2011-11-22 16:55:15 <tcatm> I've switched to GPUs more than a year ago
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 717 2011-11-22 17:11:32 <sipa> BlueMatt: wow, what an absolute honor that is! having a linux kernel version names after you :)
 718 2011-11-22 17:12:18 <BlueMatt> sipa: considering he works on the kernel full time...
 719 2011-11-22 17:12:44 <sipa> afaik there is no kernel version named after Linux :)
 720 2011-11-22 17:12:47 <sipa> oh wait... all of them
 721 2011-11-22 17:12:53 <sipa> s/Linux/Linus/
 722 2011-11-22 17:14:40 <BlueMatt> heh
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 724 2011-11-22 17:20:17 <roconnor> where is bitcoin-0.5.0-src.tar.gz?
 725 2011-11-22 17:23:05 <[eval]> sipa: you're the man :>
 726 2011-11-22 17:23:45 <BlueMatt> roconnor: grab the src from the tags on github
 727 2011-11-22 17:24:40 <roconnor> is that what gentoo does?
 728 2011-11-22 17:25:05 <BlueMatt> nfc
 729 2011-11-22 17:25:08 <BlueMatt> ask luke-jr
 730 2011-11-22 17:25:39 <luke-jr> roconnor: yes
 731 2011-11-22 17:26:51 <roconnor> what a pain
 732 2011-11-22 17:33:01 <sipa> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/tarball/v0.5.0rc7
 733 2011-11-22 17:33:11 <sipa> strange that there is no v0.5.0
 734 2011-11-22 17:33:32 <BlueMatt> there is
 735 2011-11-22 17:33:37 <BlueMatt> its just below all the rcs
 736 2011-11-22 17:33:39 <sipa> oh, right!
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 742 2011-11-22 17:40:17 <luke-jr> roconnor: if you use Gentoo, you can just emerge it :P
 743 2011-11-22 17:40:48 <sipa> roconnor: it's just a tarball, you don't need git
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 747 2011-11-22 17:40:50 <roconnor> luke-jr: Actually I'm trying to package it for Nix, which is a source-based distro like Gentoo is.
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 750 2011-11-22 17:54:45 <tcatm> BlueMatt: looks like one shouldn't delete all those left-over directories in /tmp. they have nasty hardlinks/bind-mounts.
 751 2011-11-22 17:55:29 <BlueMatt> tcatm: does gitian do that, or vm-builder
 752 2011-11-22 17:56:11 <tcatm> I did rm -rf /tmp/tmp* in an attempt to free some diskspace
 753 2011-11-22 17:57:00 <tcatm> I'm going to restore from a backup now :)
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 755 2011-11-22 17:58:07 <BlueMatt> ouch...
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 759 2011-11-22 18:01:49 <sipa> luke-jr: the CVE is still not public?
 760 2011-11-22 18:02:06 <luke-jr> sipa: dunno, maybe they're waiting for Gavin to send a formal security announcement
 761 2011-11-22 18:02:34 <gavinandresen> I don't know nuthin about the CVE process-- who wants to volunteer to handle that?
 762 2011-11-22 18:03:42 <BlueMatt> who reported it to begin with?
 763 2011-11-22 18:03:50 <gavinandresen>  luke-jr did
 764 2011-11-22 18:03:58 <BlueMatt> so why doesnt luke-jr handle it?
 765 2011-11-22 18:05:14 <lianj> which cve is it?
 766 2011-11-22 18:05:41 <sipa> CVE-2011-4447
 767 2011-11-22 18:05:43 <gavinandresen> CVE-2011-4447
 768 2011-11-22 18:06:28 <sipa> tcatm: use rm -rf --one-file-system next time :)
 769 2011-11-22 18:07:49 <tcatm> sipa: I'm going to to gitian builds in a VM next time ;)
 770 2011-11-22 18:07:59 <tcatm> s/to to/to do/
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 772 2011-11-22 18:08:06 <BlueMatt> tcatm: sadly you cant...
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 774 2011-11-22 18:08:26 <BlueMatt> (well unless you have sandy bridge and the desire to test new features that were added as optional in 3.1...)
 775 2011-11-22 18:08:35 <sipa> ?
 776 2011-11-22 18:08:36 <tcatm> sure, it'll just be slower without kvm?
 777 2011-11-22 18:08:55 <sipa> why do you need sandy bridge?
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 779 2011-11-22 18:09:11 <BlueMatt> I thought there was hardware requirements?
 780 2011-11-22 18:09:26 <sipa> for kvm?
 781 2011-11-22 18:09:44 <BlueMatt> for vt-x accelerated kvm inside vt-x accelerated kvm
 782 2011-11-22 18:09:52 <sipa> ah
 783 2011-11-22 18:10:31 <gavinandresen> FYI:  I uploaded (and am uploading) 0.5 and 0.4.1 linux/windows tars/zips/SHASUMS.asc that untar/unzip to the correct release name instead of 'rc7'
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 787 2011-11-22 18:16:10 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: I might test that.
 788 2011-11-22 18:16:30 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: you see the report of 0.4.1 final having 'rc7' dir name?
 789 2011-11-22 18:16:35 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: now that I think about it, sandy bridge might not be a requirement at all
 790 2011-11-22 18:17:01 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: see my last comment here, I just finished uploading a fix to sourceforge
 791 2011-11-22 18:17:31 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: wasn't sure if that meant remaking the tars/etc
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 796 2011-11-22 18:37:50 <tcatm> BlueMatt: okay, I got gitian working now I think. which commit should I use?
 797 2011-11-22 18:38:05 <BlueMatt> just use v0.5.0 for commit
 798 2011-11-22 18:38:07 <BlueMatt> it will work
 799 2011-11-22 18:38:20 <BlueMatt> (or more specifically just follow the instructions in doc/release-process.txt)
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 802 2011-11-22 18:47:00 <sipa> gavinandresen: in light of my proposal at http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=20110708092506.GA6641%40ulyssis.org&forum_name=bitcoin-development, would you consider using version=2 and version=109 for OP_EVAL based addresses, instead of version=1 and version=112 ?
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 804 2011-11-22 18:51:56 <gavinandresen> sipa: ok.
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 808 2011-11-22 18:54:39 <gavinandresen> sipa:  can you edit https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BIP_0013   to give a short rationale for why 2/109 ?
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 811 2011-11-22 19:06:41 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: backwards compat on BIP_0013 could be expanded :)
 812 2011-11-22 19:08:14 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: true.  Wanna volunteer to do that?
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 832 2011-11-22 20:25:43 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: :)  I'll take a look
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 842 2011-11-22 20:39:01 <sipa> gavinandresen: maybe my address version byte numbering proposal deserves its own BIP :)
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 844 2011-11-22 20:40:59 <gavinandresen> sipa:  maybe... I think it is on the edge between "too much planning ahead" and "good to define The Right Way To Do It"
 845 2011-11-22 20:41:31 <gavinandresen> Ideally, in a few years nobody will be seeing bitcoin addresses anyway
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 848 2011-11-22 20:42:54 <sipa> Agree, i hope they become obsolete.
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 852 2011-11-22 20:43:26 <ThomasV> what will we see instead?
 853 2011-11-22 20:43:41 <sipa> url's
 854 2011-11-22 20:44:15 <ThomasV> such as bitcoin:<address> ?
 855 2011-11-22 20:44:30 <sipa> for example - there are several possibilities
 856 2011-11-22 20:45:00 <sipa> it could as well be just a "payment request" file, downloaded through regular http(s)
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 864 2011-11-22 21:07:29 <[Tycho]> Some new idea on address format ?
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 870 2011-11-22 21:22:47 <graingert> gavinandresen: why wasn't the PPA mentioned on the 0.5 release announcement?
 871 2011-11-22 21:22:56 <graingert> or in the download bo
 872 2011-11-22 21:23:00 <graingert> box*
 873 2011-11-22 21:23:45 <gavinandresen> because my secret super-power is forgetting things
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 877 2011-11-22 21:26:10 <graingert> gavinandresen: can you add it to the site please *bats eyelids*
 878 2011-11-22 21:26:23 <gavinandresen> graingert: nope.  Ask tcatm
 879 2011-11-22 21:27:13 <gavinandresen> ... I can update the READMEs on sourceforge....
 880 2011-11-22 21:27:32 <graingert> tcatm: can you add the PPA to the site please *bats eyelids*
 881 2011-11-22 21:28:03 <tcatm> it might be a good idea to have a dedicated download page
 882 2011-11-22 21:28:17 <graingert> tcatm: yes, see wine's one
 883 2011-11-22 21:28:35 <graingert> tbh the pidgin one is the best
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 885 2011-11-22 21:28:53 <graingert> http://www.pidgin.im/ -> big button with auto detect
 886 2011-11-22 21:29:07 <graingert> links to http://www.pidgin.im/download/<operating system>/
 887 2011-11-22 21:30:03 <tcatm> do you have some spare time? bitcoin.org is open source
 888 2011-11-22 21:30:09 <graingert> tcatm: hehehe
 889 2011-11-22 21:30:17 <graingert> github?
 890 2011-11-22 21:30:22 <graingert> what's the backend?
 891 2011-11-22 21:30:28 <tcatm> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org
 892 2011-11-22 21:30:30 <graingert> is it jeckyl ?
 893 2011-11-22 21:30:35 <tcatm> jekyll, yes
 894 2011-11-22 21:30:37 <luke-jr> it should show 0.4.1 too
 895 2011-11-22 21:30:43 <luke-jr> at least for the "old wxWidgets GUI"
 896 2011-11-22 21:30:44 <gavinandresen> graingert: is the ppa for 0.5 ready?  See:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=52480.msg627693#msg627693
 897 2011-11-22 21:31:08 <graingert> yes
 898 2011-11-22 21:31:11 <graingert> 28 hours ago
 899 2011-11-22 21:31:41 <graingert> RodeoX is mistakenly referring to the old unofficial PPA by Stefan Thomas
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 901 2011-11-22 21:32:09 <graingert> gavinandresen: ^
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 905 2011-11-22 21:33:59 <gavinandresen> graingert: cool, thanks.  Are you on the forums?  Can you slap him upside the head...er, I mean let him know what to do?
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 908 2011-11-22 21:36:04 <gavinandresen> graingert: updated the README.txt on sourceforge
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 910 2011-11-22 21:36:28 <sipa> who/what is RodeoX?
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 912 2011-11-22 21:36:58 <gavinandresen> sipa: confused old-ppa-user on the forums
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 914 2011-11-22 21:40:25 <graingert> well the forums now has 3 posts aimed at RodeoX
 915 2011-11-22 21:40:31 <graingert> wrt old PPA
 916 2011-11-22 21:42:51 <[eval]> i'm using bitcoind 0.5.0 off the PPA and it's working well
 917 2011-11-22 21:44:03 <BlueMatt> nice
 918 2011-11-22 21:45:32 <[eval]> makes it much easier to keep up with the mainline client, so thanks! is it any extra work to get it to build for multiple versions of ubuntu, or do you just select the versions and let launchpad take care of it?
 919 2011-11-22 21:46:04 <BlueMatt> you have to upload it once for each version, but since uploads take like 10 seconds, its not too bad
 920 2011-11-22 21:46:10 <[eval]> if the latter, i wish genjix would set up libbitcoin to build for older versions like maverick... if the former, i think i should upgrade to oneiric
 921 2011-11-22 21:46:12 <[eval]> ah
 922 2011-11-22 21:46:29 <[eval]> wonder if it'd be more difficult for libbitcoin then
 923 2011-11-22 21:46:47 <BlueMatt> unless it has deps which dont exist in older versions, it wont be
 924 2011-11-22 21:46:52 <[eval]> and yes, i know i can build it myself, but i like the fact that the PPAs let me know when there's a new version :P
 925 2011-11-22 21:47:09 <graingert> tcatm: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/pull/9
 926 2011-11-22 21:47:14 <[eval]> (and do all the work for me, once!)
 927 2011-11-22 21:47:40 <graingert> BlueMatt: I need to sign the code of conduct before I can make PPA's :p
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 931 2011-11-22 21:47:49 <BlueMatt> graingert: yep
 932 2011-11-22 21:47:56 <graingert> sadly Launchpad is spazzing about with my keys
 933 2011-11-22 21:48:05 <graingert> and is sending mallformed PGP data
 934 2011-11-22 21:48:21 <BlueMatt> odd
 935 2011-11-22 21:48:27 <graingert> I was going to create an "unstable" repo
 936 2011-11-22 21:48:44 <BlueMatt> can you even upload w/o signing the code of conduct?
 937 2011-11-22 21:48:49 <graingert> I can upload
 938 2011-11-22 21:49:12 <graingert> I havn't tested it
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 940 2011-11-22 21:49:17 <graingert> as it will go live :p
 941 2011-11-22 21:49:54 <BlueMatt> oh, well one sec, Ill make repos
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 943 2011-11-22 21:50:12 <BlueMatt> what do you want, just unstable?
 944 2011-11-22 21:50:19 <BlueMatt> or do you want a rc one too?
 945 2011-11-22 21:50:25 <graingert> bitcoin/bitcoin bitcoin/unstable bitcoin/deletemybitcoin
 946 2011-11-22 21:50:49 <BlueMatt> deletemybitcoin?
 947 2011-11-22 21:50:51 <graingert> rc goes in unstable
 948 2011-11-22 21:51:01 <graingert> okay
 949 2011-11-22 21:51:22 <graingert> https://launchpad.net/~chromium-daily these guys have
 950 2011-11-22 21:51:28 <graingert> Beta dev daily and stable
 951 2011-11-22 21:51:41 <BlueMatt> what is deletemybitcoin?
 952 2011-11-22 21:51:52 <graingert> if we could get a daily build script settup that would be dev
 953 2011-11-22 21:51:54 <BlueMatt> do non-rc versions go in unstable?
 954 2011-11-22 21:51:57 <graingert> ie untested
 955 2011-11-22 21:52:12 <graingert> in that case
 956 2011-11-22 21:52:17 <graingert> call them Beta
 957 2011-11-22 21:52:24 <BlueMatt> more like alpha
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 959 2011-11-22 21:52:51 <BlueMatt> no, wait doesnt debian add +git?
 960 2011-11-22 21:52:55 <graingert> bitcoin -> stable , beta-> RC, dev -> pre RC, deletemybitcoin -> daily
 961 2011-11-22 21:52:59 <graingert> builds
 962 2011-11-22 21:53:17 <graingert> stuff that goes in deletemybitcoin might not even compile/run
 963 2011-11-22 21:53:24 <graingert> and might
 964 2011-11-22 21:53:28 <graingert> do what it says on the tin
 965 2011-11-22 21:53:34 <BlueMatt> oh
 966 2011-11-22 21:53:47 <graingert> perhaps that code should default to testnet :p
 967 2011-11-22 21:54:46 <BlueMatt> ok, so you want a bitcoin/bitcoin bitcoin/beta (aka rcs) bitcoin/alpha? (git clones)
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 969 2011-11-22 21:55:48 <graingert> tcatm: odd it seems to have not gone live yet
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 971 2011-11-22 21:56:50 <BlueMatt> graingert: that look good?
 972 2011-11-22 21:57:22 <tcatm> graingert: yep. I've contacted github support. Seems to be a problem with their software.
 973 2011-11-22 21:58:11 <graingert> BlueMatt: perhaps just use rc for rc's
 974 2011-11-22 21:58:24 <BlueMatt> ok
 975 2011-11-22 21:58:25 <graingert> unless bitcoin.org is going to settle for using the term beta instead
 976 2011-11-22 21:58:37 <graingert> stable rc beta daily
 977 2011-11-22 21:58:53 <BlueMatt> whats the difference between beta and daily?
 978 2011-11-22 21:58:55 <graingert> where rc will contain the latest rc or stable
 979 2011-11-22 21:59:04 <graingert> beta runs
 980 2011-11-22 21:59:28 <graingert> I have seen beta release of bitcoin... I think
 981 2011-11-22 21:59:38 <BlueMatt> not afaik
 982 2011-11-22 21:59:41 <graingert> okay
 983 2011-11-22 21:59:43 <BlueMatt> (all of them are beta)
 984 2011-11-22 21:59:49 <graingert> oh yeah that's a point
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 986 2011-11-22 22:00:20 <graingert> stable rc and daily
 987 2011-11-22 22:00:23 <graingert> make the most sense
 988 2011-11-22 22:00:27 <graingert> with stable being "bitcoin"
 989 2011-11-22 22:00:42 <BlueMatt> sounds good
 990 2011-11-22 22:01:00 <graingert> I second that motion
 991 2011-11-22 22:01:53 <BlueMatt> done
 992 2011-11-22 22:02:11 <graingert> is there an RC build yet?
 993 2011-11-22 22:02:19 <BlueMatt> rc of what?
 994 2011-11-22 22:02:23 <graingert> bitcoin 0.5.1
 995 2011-11-22 22:02:29 <BlueMatt> no
 996 2011-11-22 22:02:46 <graingert> okay in that case mirror stable
 997 2011-11-22 22:02:57 <BlueMatt> is there a mirror button?
 998 2011-11-22 22:03:03 <graingert> no idea
 999 2011-11-22 22:03:27 <graingert> I'm thinking RC should contain max(stable version, release candidate version)
1000 2011-11-22 22:03:34 <BlueMatt> agreed
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1002 2011-11-22 22:04:22 <tcatm> the latest RC will alway be equal to stable if there's no newer RC
1003 2011-11-22 22:04:53 <BlueMatt> arg...let me go upload all the miniupnpc, db and bitcoin packages (twice)...
1004 2011-11-22 22:05:30 <BlueMatt> actually, thats not gonna happen now Ive gotta go in a minute...
1005 2011-11-22 22:05:31 <luke-jr> tcatm: there's two stable versions now, and the 0.5.0 one has much less testing
1006 2011-11-22 22:06:09 <BlueMatt> 0.5 has more testing than 0.4.1, just less than 0.4.X
1007 2011-11-22 22:06:22 <luke-jr> 0.4.1 is 0.4.x :p
1008 2011-11-22 22:06:35 <BlueMatt> 0.4.x where 0 <= x <= 1
1009 2011-11-22 22:06:35 <luke-jr> 0.4.1 has the stability of 0.4.0 combined with the fixes of 0.5.0
1010 2011-11-22 22:06:59 <tcatm> luke-jr: maybe you could create a better download page?
1011 2011-11-22 22:07:17 <luke-jr> tcatm: I'm not a designer. I prefer simple. :p
1012 2011-11-22 22:07:44 <tcatm> I can do the design if you write the required backend stuff
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1014 2011-11-22 22:08:30 <BlueMatt> graingert: Ill be back in a couple hours and can do uploads then...Ill try to pack them in now, but Ive gotta figure out what versions I used first...
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1023 2011-11-22 22:18:17 <copumpkin> oh wow, the new bitcoin client looks a lot fancier
1024 2011-11-22 22:18:37 <luke-jr> copumpkin: want to maintain the "old" one?
1025 2011-11-22 22:18:46 <copumpkin> not particularly
1026 2011-11-22 22:18:50 <sipa> copumpkin: send compliments towards wumpus :)
1027 2011-11-22 22:18:54 <luke-jr> :P
1028 2011-11-22 22:19:14 <luke-jr> copumpkin: I've got a PULL to add signmessage to Bitcoin-Qt, and someone else has a QR Code generator
1029 2011-11-22 22:19:16 <graingert> tcatm: you don't need backend stuff
1030 2011-11-22 22:19:18 <graingert> it's all JS
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1032 2011-11-22 22:19:29 <luke-jr> the move to Qt seems to have got a lot of people onboard
1033 2011-11-22 22:19:47 <copumpkin> this is why luke-jr doesn't like it: http://snapplr.com/w9es
1034 2011-11-22 22:20:03 <tcatm> graingert: it would be great if we could avoid JS and calculate it on the server
1035 2011-11-22 22:20:04 <luke-jr> copumpkin: silly you
1036 2011-11-22 22:20:10 <graingert> tcatm: you can't
1037 2011-11-22 22:20:12 <graingert> it's jeckyl
1038 2011-11-22 22:20:15 <luke-jr> copumpkin: that just opens the door to a TBC patch ;)
1039 2011-11-22 22:20:20 <copumpkin> lol
1040 2011-11-22 22:20:21 <BlueMatt> graingert: ok, I think all the deps are uploaded, heres my really shitty bitcoin build/upload script in case it helps: http://pastebin.com/jxekbgXJ
1041 2011-11-22 22:20:27 <copumpkin> luke-jr: gonna bundle your font in the application?
1042 2011-11-22 22:20:32 <Diablo-D3> only satan worshipers promote TBC
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1044 2011-11-22 22:20:38 <luke-jr> copumpkin: no, Tonal users should have a Tonal-compatible font already
1045 2011-11-22 22:20:43 <tcatm> graingert: jekyll supports plugins. the contributors list under "about" is generated by a plugin I wrote
1046 2011-11-22 22:20:55 <luke-jr> copumpkin: what I do for Spesmilo is, only show Tonal as an option if a font is detected
1047 2011-11-22 22:21:07 <copumpkin> ah
1048 2011-11-22 22:21:16 <graingert> tcatm: yeah but can you do that with gh-pages?
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1050 2011-11-22 22:21:35 <graingert> BlueMatt: nice
1051 2011-11-22 22:21:47 <BlueMatt> graingert: obviously have to change paths there...
1052 2011-11-22 22:21:51 <graingert> might be better as a makefile
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1054 2011-11-22 22:22:06 <tcatm> graingert: we are using a seperate server to run jekyll because gh-pages doesn't support plugins
1055 2011-11-22 22:22:09 <BlueMatt> heh, do what you want with it, I wrote it to just barely get the job done, not to be clean
1056 2011-11-22 22:22:16 <copumpkin> thanks wumpus!
1057 2011-11-22 22:22:17 <graingert> of course
1058 2011-11-22 22:22:25 <graingert> BlueMatt: I wonder where it should go
1059 2011-11-22 22:22:40 <graingert> BlueMatt: Stick it on your github - maybe bitcoin-ppa-utils
1060 2011-11-22 22:22:57 <BlueMatt> graingert: I dont think its worth putting anywhere, the only line that matters is "echo "#1001_use_system_json-spirit.patch" > debian/patches/series"
1061 2011-11-22 22:23:02 <graingert> yeah
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1064 2011-11-22 22:23:16 <graingert> well anywhere is better than pastebin
1065 2011-11-22 22:23:31 <graingert> and the more people it offends the more likely someone will write a nice one
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1067 2011-11-22 22:23:45 <BlueMatt> feel free to do as you like with it, your github is as good as any
1068 2011-11-22 22:24:01 <graingert> fair enough
1069 2011-11-22 22:24:06 <graingert> but it's your code
1070 2011-11-22 22:24:07 <BlueMatt> oh, except for the typo on 17...
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1073 2011-11-22 22:24:26 <graingert> christ - how did that ever work?
1074 2011-11-22 22:24:44 <BlueMatt> I never use that feature...its just there in case I need it
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1076 2011-11-22 22:25:31 <BlueMatt> anyway, I have to go, feel free to email otherwise Ill (probably) be back in a couple hours
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1078 2011-11-22 22:26:18 <luke-jr> using system json spirit is kinda pointless imo
1079 2011-11-22 22:26:43 <sipa> it is simple enough to use inline, imho
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1082 2011-11-22 22:28:12 <luke-jr> sipa: well, using system libs is almost always better
1083 2011-11-22 22:28:26 <luke-jr> but in this case, json spirit only has static libs anyway
1084 2011-11-22 22:28:31 <luke-jr> and the internal copy is modified for bitcoin
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1087 2011-11-22 22:31:24 <graingert> !later tell BlueMatt https://github.com/graingert/bitcoin-ppa-utils
1088 2011-11-22 22:31:24 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
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1103 2011-11-22 22:58:53 <etotheipi_> anyone here having OpenSSL timings for ECDSA operations?  I just timed all the ECDSA ops using Crypto++ and curious how they compare
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1121 2011-11-22 23:31:41 <sipa> etotheipi_: i did some signing and verification timings once related to compressed signatures
1122 2011-11-22 23:32:14 <sipa> eh, key recovery
1123 2011-11-22 23:33:09 <etotheipi_> sipa, I'm not looking for anythign fancy, just general timings on a decent computer for signing, verification, public key computation
1124 2011-11-22 23:33:24 <sipa> etotheipi_: on a core2 duo e8500 at 3.16GHz, it took 0.65us for verification 0.69 for recovery
1125 2011-11-22 23:33:41 <etotheipi_> OpenSSL?
1126 2011-11-22 23:33:46 <sipa> yes
1127 2011-11-22 23:33:53 <etotheipi_> man, Crypto++ blows
1128 2011-11-22 23:34:07 <etotheipi_> wait a sec, 0.65 us isn't even possible
1129 2011-11-22 23:34:11 <sipa> eh
1130 2011-11-22 23:34:15 <sipa> damn
1131 2011-11-22 23:34:19 <sipa> 0.65ms of course
1132 2011-11-22 23:34:24 <sipa> what timings do you get, on what system?
1133 2011-11-22 23:34:34 <etotheipi_> okay, tha sounds a bit better
1134 2011-11-22 23:34:40 <graingert> tcatm: github site still not built
1135 2011-11-22 23:34:45 <etotheipi_> https://github.com/etotheipi/BitcoinArmory/blob/master/cryptoTimings.txt
1136 2011-11-22 23:34:46 <graingert> page*
1137 2011-11-22 23:34:47 <etotheipi_> at the bottom
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1140 2011-11-22 23:35:48 <sipa> etotheipi_: it's the PublicKey -> SigVerified step?
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1142 2011-11-22 23:36:31 <sipa> strange that signing is so much faster than verifying?
1143 2011-11-22 23:37:48 <etotheipi_> I should've caveated that with
1144 2011-11-22 23:37:59 <etotheipi_> all operations include overhead of string conversion and passage through SWIG
1145 2011-11-22 23:38:05 <makomk> There must be something tying the transaction to the block it's approving - it's almost cryptography 101 stuff - but I can't find it.
1146 2011-11-22 23:38:14 <makomk> Errm, whoops.
1147 2011-11-22 23:38:25 <tcatm> graingert: yes. no response from github so far and I don't know whether it's possible to force re-build
1148 2011-11-22 23:38:25 <makomk> Wrong text and wrong window >.>
1149 2011-11-22 23:38:28 <etotheipi_> but you're right, I have no idea why verification is so much slower than signing, I would expect them to be the same
1150 2011-11-22 23:38:59 <etotheipi_> I know I do a little bit extra string ops... but not enough to kill 90% of the speed
1151 2011-11-22 23:39:36 <etotheipi_> the timings were similar for pure C++, and even without string ops the verification was much slower
1152 2011-11-22 23:39:44 <sipa> makomk: transactions don't approve blocks
1153 2011-11-22 23:40:50 <makomk> sipa: yeah, this was a message about SolidCoin from my history I accidentally sent here when trying to do something else
1154 2011-11-22 23:41:06 <etotheipi_> and even worse, these timings are on a Intel i5 2500K -- which is a pretty decent CPU
1155 2011-11-22 23:41:23 <etotheipi_> though, single-threaded
1156 2011-11-22 23:42:18 <sipa> etotheipi_: the E8500 is the fastest core2 cpu that exist, per thread, i believe
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1158 2011-11-22 23:43:36 <etotheipi_> I thought that was an older chip
1159 2011-11-22 23:44:34 <sipa> yes, i5 and i7's may be faster
1160 2011-11-22 23:45:02 <tcatm> graingert: I've managed to force a rebuild
1161 2011-11-22 23:45:08 <graingert> WOO
1162 2011-11-22 23:45:18 <Diablo-D3> sipa: no
1163 2011-11-22 23:45:20 <graingert> YAY
1164 2011-11-22 23:45:21 <Diablo-D3> I have an e8500
1165 2011-11-22 23:45:25 <Diablo-D3> there is one faster, it came out right at the end
1166 2011-11-22 23:45:32 <Diablo-D3> its 3.33ghz instead of 3.16
1167 2011-11-22 23:45:38 <Diablo-D3> its still stuck on 1333mhz bus though
1168 2011-11-22 23:45:46 <tcatm> it looks like pushes from the server using a deploy key does not trigger the process
1169 2011-11-22 23:46:28 <graingert> how odd
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1176 2011-11-22 23:56:59 <gjs278> I have a 980x
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