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  2 2011-11-24 00:09:23 <gmaxwell> I wonder if the default fee rules should reward net-inputs-reduction?
  3 2011-11-24 00:09:52 <gmaxwell> e.g. if txn which result in a lesser number of standing outputs shouldn't be subjected to lower requirements (priority/fee/etc)
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  5 2011-11-24 00:11:25 <Diablo-D3> gmaxwell: like I said
  6 2011-11-24 00:11:28 <Diablo-D3> all fees should come to me
  7 2011-11-24 00:14:50 <graingert> I hold a similar opinion
  8 2011-11-24 00:14:56 <graingert> all fees should come to me
  9 2011-11-24 00:15:44 <Diablo-D3> yes, but I am God, and I need to buy a starship.
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 11 2011-11-24 00:15:59 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: sipa had been working on a thorough fee function redo a while back...
 12 2011-11-24 00:16:10 <Diablo-D3> again?!
 13 2011-11-24 00:16:15 <Diablo-D3> its been rewritten like 12 times
 14 2011-11-24 00:16:19 <Diablo-D3> what the fuck is this, the linux kernel?
 15 2011-11-24 00:16:20 <BlueMatt> not really
 16 2011-11-24 00:16:41 <BlueMatt> sipa had been working on a nice one that should actually make people happy
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 30 2011-11-24 00:48:06 <sipa> BlueMatt: that's been a while, i should write it up again sometime
 31 2011-11-24 00:48:08 <sipa> but not now
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 47 2011-11-24 01:14:57 <graingert> sipa: do it now
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 66 2011-11-24 01:54:26 <devrandom> tcatm: re gitian vm - are svm extensions working?  you can run "kvm" without arguments and see if there's an initialization error.  without svm it will run in qemu emulation mode, taking a very very long time to do anything.
 67 2011-11-24 01:55:23 <tcatm> devrandom: yes, kvm is working
 68 2011-11-24 01:55:59 <devrandom> did you figure out why it's slow?
 69 2011-11-24 01:56:10 <tcatm> looks like the vm is working now. it starts building stuff but aborts due to an error
 70 2011-11-24 01:56:18 <tcatm> no
 71 2011-11-24 01:57:12 <devrandom> paste error?
 72 2011-11-24 01:58:07 <tcatm> I don't have the terminal open anymore. I'll run it again
 73 2011-11-24 01:58:14 <devrandom> ok
 74 2011-11-24 01:58:19 <devrandom> I'll be back in 10 min
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 78 2011-11-24 02:16:52 <tcatm> mhm I can't reproduce it but it looks like it is compiling now
 79 2011-11-24 02:18:33 <devrandom> cool (I guess)
 80 2011-11-24 02:20:02 <luke-jr> devrandom: Ruby-free gitian yet? :P
 81 2011-11-24 02:23:16 <tcatm> yay, i386 built :)
 82 2011-11-24 02:24:03 <luke-jr> who uses i386 anymore? x.x
 83 2011-11-24 02:24:43 <luke-jr> so is this Bitcoin-Win16 client for real? Someone wrote a GUI just for Windows 3.11?
 84 2011-11-24 02:24:59 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: crazy people who use flash and a bunch of other binary only software.
 85 2011-11-24 02:25:00 <tcatm> most linux packages are still compiled for i386
 86 2011-11-24 02:25:22 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: does Flash even support i386?
 87 2011-11-24 02:25:29 <luke-jr> tcatm: what distro?
 88 2011-11-24 02:25:30 <luke-jr> Debian at least is i686 for years now
 89 2011-11-24 02:25:33 <devrandom> luke-jr: remind me what's wrong with ruby?
 90 2011-11-24 02:25:43 <luke-jr> devrandom: it's unnecessary bloatware.
 91 2011-11-24 02:25:48 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: people often call i686 stuff 'i386'.
 92 2011-11-24 02:26:03 <devrandom> luke-jr: it's fast to write...
 93 2011-11-24 02:26:22 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: well someone should test stuff on a 386 and start suing people for false advertising then
 94 2011-11-24 02:26:25 <devrandom> the 386 was the first one with VM
 95 2011-11-24 02:26:28 <luke-jr> devrandom: not faster than Perl
 96 2011-11-24 02:26:35 <devrandom> (virtual memory)
 97 2011-11-24 02:26:43 <Diablo-D3> tcatm: no, most packages are not
 98 2011-11-24 02:26:48 <devrandom> Perl is not OO enough
 99 2011-11-24 02:27:05 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: (yes, I'm joking)
100 2011-11-24 02:27:44 <luke-jr> Perl has nice pure OO
101 2011-11-24 02:27:57 <devrandom> or rather, the OO is kinda hacked on
102 2011-11-24 02:28:05 <luke-jr> no, it's just pure
103 2011-11-24 02:28:15 <Diablo-D3> even debian uses -march=486 -mtune=pentium
104 2011-11-24 02:28:27 <luke-jr> plus, something like gitian *has no need for OO*
105 2011-11-24 02:28:39 <Diablo-D3> gcc's generic on ia32 also is 668
106 2011-11-24 02:28:42 <Diablo-D3> er 686
107 2011-11-24 02:29:15 <devrandom> luke-jr: but yes, I should rewrite in python, that's pretty standard for linux system code
108 2011-11-24 02:29:42 <luke-jr> unfortunately, Python has made it to "necessary bloatware" :/
109 2011-11-24 02:30:10 <Diablo-D3> on x86-64, its obviously not using 686
110 2011-11-24 02:30:24 <luke-jr> but it does fill the gap Linux had to compete against Visual Basic!
111 2011-11-24 02:36:04 <devrandom> ok
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160 2011-11-24 05:38:51 <denisx> I rewrote the merkletree code from bitcoind, now it only needs to work on O(log n) hashes and not on O(n2) in case of an nonce increment
161 2011-11-24 05:41:26 <cjdelisle> nice
162 2011-11-24 05:41:27 <gmaxwell> s/nonce/extranonce/ cool.
163 2011-11-24 05:44:34 <luke-jr> denisx: you stole my idea⁈ :P
164 2011-11-24 05:45:29 <denisx> no, I stole it from the diff4 guy
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175 2011-11-24 05:56:11 <denisx> anybody know some c++?
176 2011-11-24 05:56:50 <denisx> right now I insert a hash and then delete one, I think I would like todo that inplace
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256 2011-11-24 09:49:47 <Lolcust_Backup> !seen FellowTraveler
257 2011-11-24 09:49:47 <gribble> FellowTraveler was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 4 weeks, 3 days, 4 hours, 50 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <FellowTraveler> Hi all.
258 2011-11-24 09:49:48 <spaola> Lolcust_Backup, I don't remember seeing fellowtraveler.
259 2011-11-24 09:53:57 <Lolcust_Backup> !seen batouzo
260 2011-11-24 09:53:57 <gribble> batouzo was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 1 day, 1 hour, 54 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <batouzo> Lolcust: you could try using blockexplorer too
261 2011-11-24 09:53:58 <spaola> batouzo (~batouzo@ip-1-141.gemini.net.pl) was last seen quitting from #bitcoin-dev 1 day, 1 hour, 19 minutes ago stating (Quit: Leaving).
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318 2011-11-24 12:20:05 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Alex B master * re92e97f / (src/qt/locale/bitcoin_es.ts src/qt/locale/bitcoin_es_CL.ts): Small fixes in both spanish translations - http://git.io/xBujyQ
319 2011-11-24 12:20:05 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Nils Schneider master * rf4894d9 / (src/qt/locale/bitcoin_es.ts src/qt/locale/bitcoin_es_CL.ts):
320 2011-11-24 12:20:05 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Merge pull request #662 from paraipan/master
321 2011-11-24 12:20:05 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Some patches... - http://git.io/Ddsvpg
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329 2011-11-24 12:41:46 <abragin> ha, when I installed a newer bitcoin rlease (0.5), it didn't automatically unistall the previous one
330 2011-11-24 12:42:08 <abragin> so now I have two bitcoins, and the old one (0.4) starting up automatically
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343 2011-11-24 12:56:56 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Nils Schneider master * r8787ee6 / (3 files in 2 dirs): add translations: hu uk - http://git.io/8xHZow
344 2011-11-24 12:56:56 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Nils Schneider master * rb790077 / src/qt/locale/bitcoin_de.ts : update translation: de - http://git.io/NYRhdg
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352 2011-11-24 13:08:59 <[Tycho]> What is this ? http://bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin/#0451b7d53a438c5d5db839f6272a5078f799ce6a986dfd0bb3cb94d528f7248e
353 2011-11-24 13:11:55 <SomeoneWeird> SPAM
354 2011-11-24 13:14:07 <tcatm> or someone making small real-life coins?
355 2011-11-24 13:14:38 <justmoon> or a micro-lottery payout?
356 2011-11-24 13:15:59 <[Tycho]> Oh, may be you are right about coins.
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360 2011-11-24 13:28:43 <bobke> moon .... ? talking about gambling again are we?
361 2011-11-24 13:29:19 <bobke> isn't it enough moonco.in was shut down and people lost a ton of coins
362 2011-11-24 13:29:30 <justmoon> I had nothing to do with mooncoin
363 2011-11-24 13:29:44 <bobke> I hope that's true
364 2011-11-24 13:30:21 <justmoon> my projects are weusecoins and bitcoinjs
365 2011-11-24 13:30:51 <bobke> gl then if they aren't gambling related
366 2011-11-24 13:31:05 <justmoon> mooncoin was by this guy "MrMoon": https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=29375.0
367 2011-11-24 13:31:16 <bobke> i'm aware of that
368 2011-11-24 13:31:41 <bobke> but i'm sure you can agree he would not be using that nick again anywhere
369 2011-11-24 13:32:06 <justmoon> i've been a member on the forums a lot longer than he has
370 2011-11-24 13:32:27 <bobke> I probably won't be the last to be reminded of him by your nick :)
371 2011-11-24 13:32:31 <bobke> anyway gl then
372 2011-11-24 13:32:35 <justmoon> yeah :/
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374 2011-11-24 13:33:01 <justmoon> thanks
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389 2011-11-24 14:21:18 <TD> justmoon: what are you working on these days?
390 2011-11-24 14:21:23 <TD> webcoin stuff?
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392 2011-11-24 14:27:31 <TD> justmoon: btw you need to update weusecoins
393 2011-11-24 14:27:39 <TD> justmoon: to point at the latest version. it is still pointing people to 0.4
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395 2011-11-24 14:37:09 <TD> dialcoin is very cool
396 2011-11-24 14:39:27 <sipa> ow, indeed!
397 2011-11-24 14:40:51 <TD> so
398 2011-11-24 14:41:01 <TD> every few weeks i write a bitcoin newsletter for internal google consumption
399 2011-11-24 14:41:11 <TD> i've been away from the community for the last month or so
400 2011-11-24 14:41:16 <TD> trying to find things i've missed
401 2011-11-24 14:41:21 <TD> anything cool happen lately beyond the 0.5 release?
402 2011-11-24 14:41:36 <TD> blockchain.info got a new skin which is quite attractive
403 2011-11-24 14:43:23 <edcba> i pooped
404 2011-11-24 14:44:55 <luke-jr> TD: lots of stuff for 0.6
405 2011-11-24 14:45:09 <TD> 0.6 is mostly going to be the OP_EVAL stuff?
406 2011-11-24 14:45:49 <luke-jr> no
407 2011-11-24 14:46:01 <luke-jr> GUI sign message, QRCode generator, etc
408 2011-11-24 14:46:09 <TD> i should go back and review gavins thread
409 2011-11-24 14:46:16 <luke-jr> I'm not sure OP_EVAL is ready.
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411 2011-11-24 14:46:32 <TD> oh yeah, i forgot about that. i was actually on the qrcode generator thread :)
412 2011-11-24 14:46:36 <luke-jr> coinbaser, if gavin doesn't lamely forget it
413 2011-11-24 14:46:54 <TD> heh
414 2011-11-24 14:47:21 <shadders> TD: quantum leap in 3 different poold engines with local work gen.
415 2011-11-24 14:47:58 <shadders> psj + luke's eloipool + DrHaribo's
416 2011-11-24 14:48:05 <sipa> key import/export should go in 0.6
417 2011-11-24 14:48:26 <TD> ah yes
418 2011-11-24 14:48:49 <TD> great work there shadders :) is that based on the MerkleTree classes you wrote? guess we need to get that merged in after bitcoinj 0.3
419 2011-11-24 14:49:50 <shadders> yes...  well it's a part of it... 50%+ of the dev time for me was working out endian stuff as usual
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421 2011-11-24 14:50:12 <TD> hah
422 2011-11-24 14:50:22 <TD> i remember how much fun that was
423 2011-11-24 14:50:47 <shadders> luke did a prototype first but he foolishly went on holiday so I beat him to a release while he was away ;)
424 2011-11-24 14:51:18 <TD> shadders: the local work thing is adjusting the coinbase and recalculating the merkle root without hitting bitcoind, right?
425 2011-11-24 14:51:33 <shadders> we've all seen phenomenal efficiency gains... order of magnitude
426 2011-11-24 14:51:36 <denisx> I wrote a UpdateMerkleTree method this morning
427 2011-11-24 14:51:47 <denisx> for bitcoind
428 2011-11-24 14:51:52 <sipa> TD: you write a bitcoin newsletter inside google - any reason why it's not public?
429 2011-11-24 14:52:23 <TD> i think the community is already doing a good job of that. i could probably release some of the editions.
430 2011-11-24 14:52:41 <shadders> yes... it still uses bitcoind as a source of tx's to leverage it's filtering/verification but the resulting block has no relation to the daemon... i.e. you can payout to an offline wallet if you want
431 2011-11-24 14:52:52 <edcba> sipa: because google pays him ?
432 2011-11-24 14:53:09 <sipa> edcba: google doesn't pay him to write newsletters, i suppose :)
433 2011-11-24 14:53:13 <TD> shadders: right
434 2011-11-24 14:53:42 <edcba> sipa: maybe it does
435 2011-11-24 14:53:51 <sipa> shadders: i wrote a coinbase updater in c++ half a year ago, it could calculate 100000 merkle root's per second or so :)
436 2011-11-24 14:54:04 <sipa> *roots
437 2011-11-24 14:54:15 <denisx> sipa: for how many transactions?
438 2011-11-24 14:54:49 <sipa> not too many, but it scales with 1/log(N), with N the number of transactions
439 2011-11-24 14:55:41 <shadders> sipa: I've had a few glasses of red so I can't count the zeros ;)... My algo is probably the same, just recalcs the left branch of the tree... log2(nTx)
440 2011-11-24 14:56:01 <denisx> yo, same here
441 2011-11-24 14:56:22 <denisx> its a one-liner in a loop
442 2011-11-24 14:56:24 <shadders> for a currently avg size block it's about 7 hashes Vs 100 for a full recalc
443 2011-11-24 14:56:30 <makomk> denisx: I did the same, even called it UpdateMerkleTree...
444 2011-11-24 14:57:07 <makomk> Wasn't sure the performance benefits were worth trying to get it upstream...
445 2011-11-24 14:58:02 <sipa> i could probably get my code in bitcoind itself, but the RPC overhead will limit the gain
446 2011-11-24 14:58:27 <sipa> unless you have an RPC call "getmuchwork" that gives you 1000 getworks at once
447 2011-11-24 14:58:36 <shadders> makomk: depends on the getwork load really.. most pools are moving to local work generation not just for efficiency but also for control over the transactions so I think bitcoind's getwork will get a lot less use in the future
448 2011-11-24 14:58:44 <sipa> something which is probably better done in a layer in front of bitcoin
449 2011-11-24 15:00:30 <shadders> sipa: I tested internal gen with a full tree recalc Vs 50+ concurrent rpc threads doing nothing but getwork... So the internal cpu load was basically the same algo, the difference was still close to an order of magnitude
450 2011-11-24 15:01:19 <sipa> with almost all the difference caused by RPC handling?
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454 2011-11-24 15:02:03 <makomk> http://www.pastebin.ca/2095416 - aha, this was the patch I wrote.
455 2011-11-24 15:02:10 <sipa> or you mean bitcoind being inefficient at recalculating? (it does a lot of double work)
456 2011-11-24 15:02:45 <TD> ah
457 2011-11-24 15:02:49 <TD> benjamins article is out
458 2011-11-24 15:02:49 <TD> http://www.wired.com/magazine/2011/11/mf_bitcoin/
459 2011-11-24 15:02:51 <shadders> TD: btw I said I'd be able to do the unsafe patch sat morning, actually I won't be able to do until sunday.  If it's holding you up go ahead and do it
460 2011-11-24 15:02:53 <TD> great
461 2011-11-24 15:03:07 <TD> shadders: i might just do it myself today or tomorrow
462 2011-11-24 15:03:16 <denisx> sipa: wow, that is exactly what I have except that I do it this way: vMerkleTree.front() = vtx.front().GetHash();
463 2011-11-24 15:03:24 <denisx> sipa: rest is exactly the same
464 2011-11-24 15:03:33 <shadders> sipa: yeah it must have been... there were very few other variables
465 2011-11-24 15:03:55 <shadders> sipa: this was with JK 4diff
466 2011-11-24 15:04:22 <denisx> makomk: I meant you
467 2011-11-24 15:04:45 <makomk> denisx: ah, that is a scary coincidence.
468 2011-11-24 15:04:48 <shadders> sipa: the internal recalc algo I used basically mirrored the bitcoind algo... I was particularly trying to measure the rpc overhead
469 2011-11-24 15:05:32 * luke-jr wrote his from scratch
470 2011-11-24 15:05:36 <shadders> TD: cool... it's a simple patch, but will limit the pain to those that actively choose to endure it...
471 2011-11-24 15:05:37 <denisx> shadders: I fixed another bottleneck today. the curl code in push pool sends two packets where it could be one
472 2011-11-24 15:05:48 <justmoon> TD: updated wuc, thanks for the nag ;)
473 2011-11-24 15:05:56 <TD> justmoon: np :)
474 2011-11-24 15:06:24 * luke-jr thinks his is the lightest on CPU *and* memory… in theory:P
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476 2011-11-24 15:06:43 <shadders> luke-jr: well release the damn thing :p
477 2011-11-24 15:06:52 <luke-jr> shadders: nobody is reviewing the code yet! :/
478 2011-11-24 15:07:19 <luke-jr> sipa: want to? :P
479 2011-11-24 15:07:57 <shadders> nobody reviewed psj... I just released it and put on my flame suit
480 2011-11-24 15:08:31 <shadders> luke-jr: do you a deal, port it to scala and I'll review it.  I'm learning so I need some practice
481 2011-11-24 15:08:51 <luke-jr> …
482 2011-11-24 15:11:24 <justmoon> TD: for the newsletter - have you got something on the Microsoft Research paper?
483 2011-11-24 15:11:27 <TD> yes
484 2011-11-24 15:11:37 <TD> i'm reading the wired story now
485 2011-11-24 15:11:41 <TD> wallace wanted to interview me for it
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488 2011-11-24 15:16:46 <dennisn> after upgrading to 0.5.0, i can no longer do much of anything with bitcoind ... i can getinfo, and getblockcount, but i cant listaccounts or encryptwallet or anything else
489 2011-11-24 15:17:19 <dennisn> when i "bitcoind listaccounts", all i get is: error: {"code":-2,"message":"Safe mode: WARNING: Displayed transactions may not be correct!  You may need to upgrade, or other nodes may need to upgrade."}
490 2011-11-24 15:17:56 <dennisn> (no error messages in debug.log)
491 2011-11-24 15:28:46 <makomk> Ah.
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493 2011-11-24 15:29:44 <luke-jr> dennisn: all your bitcoins are belong to gavin
494 2011-11-24 15:29:45 <luke-jr> umad?
495 2011-11-24 15:29:52 <dennisn> :)
496 2011-11-24 15:31:33 <jeremias> sounds fun
497 2011-11-24 15:31:43 <jeremias> for me the newest release worked ok...
498 2011-11-24 15:32:10 <dennisn> i upgraded from 0.3.24... not sure if that matters
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505 2011-11-24 15:49:13 <luke-jr> dennisn: what if you stop it, restore your backup, and start it again?
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511 2011-11-24 15:53:15 <diki> shadders:can you look at the support thread?
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599 2011-11-24 19:30:39 <Diablo-D3> https://www.userscripts.org/scripts/show/104443
600 2011-11-24 19:30:40 <Diablo-D3> LOL
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605 2011-11-24 19:36:19 <cocktopus> someone's a hater
606 2011-11-24 19:36:58 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Wladimir J. van der Laan master * rd8b8640 / src/qt/transactionfilterproxy.cpp : allow for filtering addresses and labels by searching for the typed string anywhere, not just at the beginning (#641) - http://git.io/Z9x74g
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611 2011-11-24 19:48:58 <Diablo-D3> http://www.wired.com/magazine/2011/11/mf_bitcoin/all/1
612 2011-11-24 19:49:00 <Diablo-D3> LOL
613 2011-11-24 19:49:03 <Diablo-D3> what a bullshit article
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615 2011-11-24 19:50:30 <Diablo-D3> I think people need to start telling people Bruce Wanger is not connected to Bitcoin in any way
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619 2011-11-24 19:55:11 <gmaxwell> Diablo-D3: I haven't read it yet, but the description of how bitcoin works and the technical problem it solved at the top is solid.
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621 2011-11-24 19:56:45 <Diablo-D3> gmaxwell: yeah
622 2011-11-24 19:56:56 <Diablo-D3> but it is borderline plagerized from wikipedia and satoshi's paper
623 2011-11-24 19:57:10 <Diablo-D3> its nothing that no one has heard before
624 2011-11-24 19:57:57 <gmaxwell> It's journalism, not acadmic research. When explaining the basics it's important to _not_ be original.
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626 2011-11-24 20:04:07 <[Tycho]> Good article.
627 2011-11-24 20:04:33 <[Tycho]> Oh no, the price is rising...
628 2011-11-24 20:05:03 <copumpkin> don't worry
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630 2011-11-24 20:05:24 <[Tycho]> Why ?
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632 2011-11-24 20:06:22 <copumpkin> it'll probably crash back down soon
633 2011-11-24 20:06:28 <[Tycho]> Ok.
634 2011-11-24 20:06:44 <copumpkin> trust me, I'm some random dude on the internet
635 2011-11-24 20:09:09 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,mtgox
636 2011-11-24 20:09:09 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":2.56,"low":2.273,"avg":2.399115406,"vwap":2.408208902,"vol":69535,"last_all":2.56,"last_local":2.56,"last":2.56,"buy":2.49525,"sell":2.53}}
637 2011-11-24 20:09:10 <Diablo-D3> er
638 2011-11-24 20:09:13 <Diablo-D3> ;;ticker
639 2011-11-24 20:09:14 <gribble> Best bid: 2.49525, Best ask: 2.53, Bid-ask spread: 0.03475, Last trade: 2.56, 24 hour volume: 69535, 24 hour low: 2.273, 24 hour high: 2.56
640 2011-11-24 20:09:17 <Diablo-D3> heh thats not bad
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643 2011-11-24 20:10:49 <roconnor> bitcoin-0.5.0 is now packaged for nix.
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