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  9 2011-11-27 00:16:12 <cande> how does a bitcoin node "check" a 0confirm tx if it is valid?
 10 2011-11-27 00:16:50 <theymos> If it properly redeems unspent outputs.
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 12 2011-11-27 00:16:56 <BlueMatt> if the input matches a txout and the sigs are right
 13 2011-11-27 00:17:39 <cande> does it detect a double spending?
 14 2011-11-27 00:17:49 <BlueMatt> yes
 15 2011-11-27 00:18:01 <bd_> well, kinda
 16 2011-11-27 00:18:09 <theymos> The first one received is considered valid. But if another version appears in a block, the block is accepted.
 17 2011-11-27 00:18:24 <bd_> in that, it _might_ detect a double spending. but if a different tx makes it into a block, well, there's nothing you can do
 18 2011-11-27 00:18:26 <BlueMatt> s/accepted/rejected/
 19 2011-11-27 00:18:45 <BlueMatt> oh, I cant read
 20 2011-11-27 00:18:48 <bd_> BlueMatt: no, the block would be accepted, even if a conflicting tx is local
 21 2011-11-27 00:18:58 <BlueMatt> misread the original statement...
 22 2011-11-27 00:19:47 <cande> so if 2 tx come along, and both spends parts of the same txout, what happens?
 23 2011-11-27 00:19:56 <cande> the first one is saved?
 24 2011-11-27 00:19:56 <BlueMatt> second is rejected
 25 2011-11-27 00:20:07 <BlueMatt> yes
 26 2011-11-27 00:20:26 <BlueMatt> until a block appears, at which point the block's preference takes priority
 27 2011-11-27 00:21:02 <cande> when a block is rejected, is there any warnings sent?
 28 2011-11-27 00:21:11 <BlueMatt> sent where?
 29 2011-11-27 00:21:20 <cande> hehe
 30 2011-11-27 00:21:21 <cande> true
 31 2011-11-27 00:22:17 <cande> but if i want to create a list of double spendings
 32 2011-11-27 00:22:29 <cande> i need to modify the node code
 33 2011-11-27 00:22:32 <edcba> then official client isn't the right tool
 34 2011-11-27 00:22:52 <BlueMatt> shouldnt be hard to do...
 35 2011-11-27 00:23:09 <BlueMatt> on the return false;'s just add a method to log the double
 36 2011-11-27 00:23:17 <kinlo> doesn't it require several "sensors" on the network?
 37 2011-11-27 00:23:22 <BlueMatt> actually, I think they might already be logged to debug.log
 38 2011-11-27 00:23:26 <kinlo> a double-spent transaction is not relayed afaik
 39 2011-11-27 00:23:34 <BlueMatt> yep
 40 2011-11-27 00:23:44 <BlueMatt> you would have to be connected all over the place...
 41 2011-11-27 00:23:49 <edcba> yes it's quite shitty
 42 2011-11-27 00:23:49 <kinlo> so if you do not have a connection to the part to the network seeing the double-spend, you won't be seeing it
 43 2011-11-27 00:23:54 <edcba> they should be relayed
 44 2011-11-27 00:23:58 <BlueMatt> why?
 45 2011-11-27 00:24:03 <kinlo> edcba: why, they will be rejected
 46 2011-11-27 00:24:09 <edcba> to warn of a double spender
 47 2011-11-27 00:24:25 <BlueMatt> the please-relay-double-spends discussion has come up several times, so far I havent heard a conpelling argument
 48 2011-11-27 00:24:32 <bd_> edcba: and if you received warning of a double spender, what exactly would you do to counter them?
 49 2011-11-27 00:24:35 <kinlo> edcba: I could make a automated warning out of every transaction then :)
 50 2011-11-27 00:24:35 <BlueMatt> s/conpelling/compelling/
 51 2011-11-27 00:24:59 <kinlo> edcba: the only correct action is to wait a few blocks before accepting something has been payed
 52 2011-11-27 00:25:00 <edcba> maybe we should add some mechanism to allow miners to reclaim double spent money
 53 2011-11-27 00:25:14 <BlueMatt> if you want to log double-spends, connect to miners then to the rest of the network
 54 2011-11-27 00:25:16 <bd_> edcba: why do we need to complicate this?
 55 2011-11-27 00:25:20 <BlueMatt> (as that is what an attacker would do..)
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 57 2011-11-27 00:25:22 <bd_> the network already deals with double spends
 58 2011-11-27 00:25:40 <bd_> in a very simple and easy to understand way
 59 2011-11-27 00:25:43 <BlueMatt> in reality, accepting 0-confirmation txes is easy
 60 2011-11-27 00:25:46 <bd_> making it more complicated makes it more likely to fail
 61 2011-11-27 00:25:46 <edcba> bd_: to allow a faster transaction
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 63 2011-11-27 00:26:06 <BlueMatt> just connect to large miners and accept what they see
 64 2011-11-27 00:26:24 <edcba> i don't see how filtering what you relay is more complex than not
 65 2011-11-27 00:26:24 <bd_> edcba: you can't make double spends impossible - the attacker can always insert two txns from very remote locations in the network.
 66 2011-11-27 00:26:45 <bd_> and I suspect any ad-hoc system would be vulnerable to sybil attacks, since that's _precisely what the block system is meant to prevent_
 67 2011-11-27 00:27:05 <bd_> basically you're trying to reinvent bitcoin's distributed consensus in an ad-hoc way.
 68 2011-11-27 00:27:21 <BlueMatt> there is a fundamental theorum of p2p networks that is relevant here, dont remember what its called...
 69 2011-11-27 00:27:35 <bd_> given that the distributed consensus protocol is the single most important part of the bitcoin protocol, you absolutely _must_ get it right
 70 2011-11-27 00:27:43 <bd_> and so handwaving about "giving double spends to miners" is not going to cut it
 71 2011-11-27 00:27:54 <BlueMatt> can only have 2 of 3 things in any p2p network: 1. same data 2. same time 3. something else...something like that
 72 2011-11-27 00:27:58 <edcba> ok that's a shitty problem, we just have to increase medium block generation time
 73 2011-11-27 00:28:07 <bd_> edcba: you mean decrease it?
 74 2011-11-27 00:28:12 <edcba> oops
 75 2011-11-27 00:28:14 <edcba> :)
 76 2011-11-27 00:28:15 <bd_> there's an easier way
 77 2011-11-27 00:28:15 <BlueMatt> no, we dont need to
 78 2011-11-27 00:28:18 <bd_> account escrows
 79 2011-11-27 00:28:25 <bd_> you put some money in a trusted third party
 80 2011-11-27 00:28:35 <bd_> they tell the merchant you have money and initiate a transfer
 81 2011-11-27 00:28:49 <bd_> if both you and the merchant trust the same third party, you can have a fast transaction
 82 2011-11-27 00:28:54 <edcba> bitcoin hasn't been invented to rely on third parties
 83 2011-11-27 00:28:57 <BlueMatt> accepting 0-confirm txes with a high probability of getting the money is very easy on the current network with only a mod to your local client
 84 2011-11-27 00:29:18 <cande> how?
 85 2011-11-27 00:29:24 <BlueMatt> read ^^
 86 2011-11-27 00:29:33 <BlueMatt> <BlueMatt> just connect to large miners and accept what they see
 87 2011-11-27 00:29:38 <cande> ah..
 88 2011-11-27 00:29:44 <edcba> haha
 89 2011-11-27 00:29:47 <edcba> lame ! :)
 90 2011-11-27 00:29:55 <BlueMatt> but it works
 91 2011-11-27 00:30:02 <BlueMatt> and the simplest solution is always the best
 92 2011-11-27 00:30:07 <cande> hm yes..
 93 2011-11-27 00:30:08 <BlueMatt> (well often)
 94 2011-11-27 00:30:20 <cande> so if the tx is accepted by a biig bitcoin miner pool
 95 2011-11-27 00:30:23 <edcba> yes but you still rely on some limited parties
 96 2011-11-27 00:30:25 <edcba> not good
 97 2011-11-27 00:30:27 <BlueMatt> not ever gonna be 100%, but you can get close
 98 2011-11-27 00:30:30 <cande> you have high success to get it into a block
 99 2011-11-27 00:30:40 <BlueMatt> yep
100 2011-11-27 00:30:45 <cande> damn, thats good :)
101 2011-11-27 00:30:46 <bd_> credit card transactions aren't 100% either
102 2011-11-27 00:30:48 <BlueMatt> edcba: not really...
103 2011-11-27 00:30:53 <bd_> so it's probably good enough for point-of-sale transactions
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105 2011-11-27 00:30:57 <BlueMatt> bd_: heh, thats true..
106 2011-11-27 00:31:09 <bd_> and larger-value transactions can wait for some confirmations
107 2011-11-27 00:31:24 <BlueMatt> plus if it were to be implemented, you couldnt do it with every node, so it would be a tx-insurer which would do it
108 2011-11-27 00:31:33 <BlueMatt> they take the risk, and take a small fee
109 2011-11-27 00:32:13 <BlueMatt> (because eg. [Tycho] isnt gonna give the ip of the pool's backend node to everyone who asks)
110 2011-11-27 00:33:44 <cande> hm, yes
111 2011-11-27 00:34:45 * BlueMatt has always argued that bitcoin payment processors are inevitable...
112 2011-11-27 00:34:49 <bd_> BlueMatt: you can just join the pool and see what txns are in the block you're churning
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114 2011-11-27 00:35:27 <BlueMatt> bd_: you can try, but the pool only gives you a hash, not the actual list...so I'd assume you could normally figure it out, but it would take a lot of work
115 2011-11-27 00:35:57 <bd_> ah, so you have to submit it through the pool to have the body of the merkle tree attached
116 2011-11-27 00:36:20 <BlueMatt> you never get the body of the merkle tree until the block comes out of the pool
117 2011-11-27 00:36:27 <BlueMatt> then you only get that from the network just like everyone else
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119 2011-11-27 00:41:43 <cande> if a node accept a tx, it is then forwarded by that node, so if you connect to that node, you see what tx that are forwarded
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122 2011-11-27 00:42:31 <BlueMatt> yes
123 2011-11-27 00:42:34 <BlueMatt> but you have to be able to connect to the node and know who it is
124 2011-11-27 00:42:45 <cande> hm
125 2011-11-27 00:43:13 <BlueMatt> eg to implement the earlier idea, you would need to know the ip of the backend node for several of the largest pools
126 2011-11-27 00:44:09 <cande> ok
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128 2011-11-27 00:45:01 <BlueMatt> (or otherwise get the list of txes they are accepting)
129 2011-11-27 00:45:08 <BlueMatt> Im sure luke-jr would let you buy an api to get that list, and imo all pools should
130 2011-11-27 00:45:30 <BlueMatt> (not that I think anyone has bothered to try yet...)
131 2011-11-27 00:48:20 * BlueMatt wants to see someone set up a really nice bitcoin-supporting payment processor that ALSO accepts usd-based payments (even if those are just links to paypal, google checkout, etc)
132 2011-11-27 00:48:36 * BlueMatt thinks that is what is needed to actually get bitcoin accepted anywhere and maybe take off
133 2011-11-27 00:49:49 <BlueMatt> and insuring btc-txes after only a 1 or 0 confirms should be a feature to encourage bitcoin over usd
134 2011-11-27 00:50:12 <cande> mm yes
135 2011-11-27 00:51:29 <cande> where can i find a list of the bigest pools?
136 2011-11-27 00:51:46 <BlueMatt> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Comparison_of_mining_pools
137 2011-11-27 00:51:48 <gmaxwell> cande: why do you care about the biggest?
138 2011-11-27 00:51:53 <BlueMatt> sort by ghash
139 2011-11-27 00:51:58 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: read up
140 2011-11-27 00:52:09 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: insuring txes against double-spend after 0 confirms
141 2011-11-27 00:52:12 <gmaxwell> ah okay.
142 2011-11-27 00:53:17 * BlueMatt still likes unitedminers and is surprised it isnt used more...
143 2011-11-27 00:54:12 <cande> unitedminers?
144 2011-11-27 00:54:44 <BlueMatt> a pool
145 2011-11-27 00:55:02 <BlueMatt> they have a bunch of software backend in terms of managing your rig automatically
146 2011-11-27 00:55:16 <BlueMatt> heh, though the website is down now...
147 2011-11-27 00:55:24 <BlueMatt> I guess they gave up after not getting any uptake...
148 2011-11-27 00:57:37 <cande> ah
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199 2011-11-27 03:03:01 <Kiba> hello
200 2011-11-27 03:04:22 <BlueMatt> hi
201 2011-11-27 03:05:24 * Kiba is trying to develop a ruby on rails site
202 2011-11-27 03:05:25 <Kiba> hmm
203 2011-11-27 03:05:43 <Kiba> I have no idea on how to write unit tests for deposit and things like that
204 2011-11-27 03:05:55 <Kiba> it looks like I might have to manually test them
205 2011-11-27 03:11:49 <SomeoneWeird> ew ruby
206 2011-11-27 03:11:50 <SomeoneWeird> :P
207 2011-11-27 03:11:58 <Kiba> what's wrong with ruby?
208 2011-11-27 03:12:16 <SomeoneWeird> idno just never used it
209 2011-11-27 03:12:16 <SomeoneWeird> lol
210 2011-11-27 03:12:20 <BlueMatt> its against SomeoneWeird's religion?
211 2011-11-27 03:12:45 <SomeoneWeird> antiruby
212 2011-11-27 03:12:47 <BlueMatt> aka the holy church of python
213 2011-11-27 03:12:53 <SomeoneWeird> ew python
214 2011-11-27 03:12:53 <SomeoneWeird> lol
215 2011-11-27 03:13:04 <BlueMatt> what do you code in?
216 2011-11-27 03:13:11 <BlueMatt> scripting language
217 2011-11-27 03:13:14 <SomeoneWeird> nah theyre both pretty cool i guess, just never used em
218 2011-11-27 03:13:26 <SomeoneWeird> dont really
219 2011-11-27 03:13:26 <SomeoneWeird> lol
220 2011-11-27 03:13:37 <BlueMatt> heh
221 2011-11-27 03:16:50 <Kiba> hey...is it possible to reset bitcoind?
222 2011-11-27 03:16:56 <Kiba> for example, I create 10 different accounts
223 2011-11-27 03:17:09 <Kiba> and at the end of testing, I want to clean up and restart with a clean state
224 2011-11-27 03:17:11 <Kiba> is that possible?
225 2011-11-27 03:17:48 <BlueMatt> backup wallet and dont allow it to connect to the network
226 2011-11-27 03:18:03 <BlueMatt> cp wallet.dat wallet.dat.bk; run stuff; cp wallet.dat.bk wallet.dat
227 2011-11-27 03:18:05 <BlueMatt> done
228 2011-11-27 03:18:05 <Kiba> ...oh right
229 2011-11-27 03:18:37 <Kiba> dunno where is the test wallet though
230 2011-11-27 03:18:51 <SomeoneWeird> ~/.bitcoin/?
231 2011-11-27 03:18:55 <Kiba> ah
232 2011-11-27 03:19:00 <Kiba> ~/.bitcoin/testnet
233 2011-11-27 03:19:40 <SomeoneWeird> :)
234 2011-11-27 03:19:55 <Kiba> from what I understand, accounts are not sent to the network
235 2011-11-27 03:20:02 <Kiba> it's internal
236 2011-11-27 03:20:17 <BlueMatt> yep
237 2011-11-27 03:20:30 <Kiba> that's contained within the wallet.dat?
238 2011-11-27 03:21:51 <BlueMatt> yep
239 2011-11-27 03:22:00 <Kiba> ok.
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241 2011-11-27 03:23:37 <Kiba> I wonder if it is a good idea to duplicate information in my database
242 2011-11-27 03:24:08 * Kiba is very uncertain about interfacing with bitcoind
243 2011-11-27 03:25:57 <SomeoneWeird> how so
244 2011-11-27 03:28:29 <Kiba> dunno how to do it right
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246 2011-11-27 03:28:42 <Kiba> I have no idea.
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248 2011-11-27 03:29:06 <Kiba> which is exactly why I am developing with testcoins rather than bitcoin
249 2011-11-27 03:29:12 <Kiba> it would be horrible if I messed up my wallet
250 2011-11-27 03:29:49 <SomeoneWeird> yeh
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262 2011-11-27 05:12:22 <FellowTraveler> What if we renamed the Blockchain, and call it the Blackchain instead?
263 2011-11-27 05:12:26 <FellowTraveler> It just sounds more cool that way.
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288 2011-11-27 06:23:05 <JFK911> it could increase inner city bitcoin adoption
289 2011-11-27 06:23:08 <JFK911> i mean blackcoin
290 2011-11-27 06:23:23 <JFK911> think of all the drug transactions and "escorts" that could begin using it
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292 2011-11-27 06:25:31 <midnightmagic> uh. is there some kind of conference with an internet stream somewhere?
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298 2011-11-27 06:40:13 <midnightmagic> nevermind
299 2011-11-27 06:46:51 <Lolcust_Backup> Anyone knows if Jan Moller of BCCAPI fame hangs out on IRC or not ?
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303 2011-11-27 07:09:31 <SomeoneWeird> need an idea to code, anyone!
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320 2011-11-27 08:45:18 <Lolcust_Backup> SomeoneWeird as in, I submit an idea, and you code it ? ^__^
321 2011-11-27 08:45:29 * Lolcust_Backup scrambles for his notes
322 2011-11-27 08:46:13 <SomeoneWeird> if i like it
323 2011-11-27 08:46:15 <SomeoneWeird> maybe
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325 2011-11-27 08:47:46 <Lolcust_Backup> SomeoneWeird are you into Java ? My GF has sent me a link to a funny Java thingie that messes with ECDSA keys in a funky way
326 2011-11-27 08:49:22 <Lolcust_Backup> Allows for a no-trusted-party threshold privkey management.
327 2011-11-27 08:50:44 <Lolcust_Backup> SomeoneWeird what languages do you prefer ^__^ ?
328 2011-11-27 08:53:35 <SomeoneWeird> lol
329 2011-11-27 08:53:36 <SomeoneWeird> um
330 2011-11-27 08:53:50 <SomeoneWeird> C#, php, js
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332 2011-11-27 08:56:03 <Lolcust_Backup> SomeoneWeird hmmmmmm.... maybe you would be interested in going after the TBX code bounty  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=48114.0  ? You'd be immortalized in the code comments and will get a bucketload of TBX  as a result ;-)
333 2011-11-27 08:57:49 <SomeoneWeird> hmm
334 2011-11-27 08:58:01 <SomeoneWeird> bookmarked ill look when i have some spare time
335 2011-11-27 08:58:01 <SomeoneWeird> :)
336 2011-11-27 08:58:26 <Lolcust_Backup> Ok
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365 2011-11-27 10:04:50 <PK> why does syncing with the network take so long? I have 43 connections and only 11 hours (50 blocks) to catch up. Imho downloading that amount of data should be done in less than a minute but it feels more like 20 seconds per block.
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430 2011-11-27 13:56:26 <kinlo> what is exactly the meaning of the CRITICAL_BLOCK macro?
431 2011-11-27 13:57:31 <cjdelisle> it's like synchronized() in java
432 2011-11-27 13:57:39 <cjdelisle> it's defined in util.h iirc
433 2011-11-27 13:58:14 <cjdelisle> IMO it should have been called MAKE_THIS_PROGRAM_PAINFULLY_SLOW() then people would think twice about using threads :P
434 2011-11-27 13:59:51 <makomk> Nah, then some idiot would just remove it and wonder why their client kept crashing ;-)
435 2011-11-27 13:59:59 <cjdelisle> hehe
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438 2011-11-27 14:02:01 <edcba> it's how you use them that makes it slow
439 2011-11-27 14:03:36 <cjdelisle> s/how/when/
440 2011-11-27 14:07:25 <kinlo> :)
441 2011-11-27 14:07:34 <kinlo> it seems that in 0.5 most of them seem to be removed
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453 2011-11-27 14:46:46 <tabyen> Who knows what the timer is for at mtgox?
454 2011-11-27 14:46:51 <tabyen> Lol
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487 2011-11-27 16:46:54 <jgarzik> tabyen: lol!  That is funny!
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498 2011-11-27 17:11:45 <coventry> Sorry, typo.
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511 2011-11-27 18:19:02 <Lolcust_Backup> Would someone kindly clarify  a little something about upcoming OP_EVAL wonderfullness? What I want to know: possibility of using it to construct a transaction that is, functionally, sendtomany + multisign with one of the recipients being yourself (so you get your coinses back only after every multisign participant signs)
512 2011-11-27 18:19:45 <Lolcust_Backup> As far as I see, there is nothing in principle that would prohibit it, but I don't see very far ;)
513 2011-11-27 18:22:19 <gmaxwell> Lolcust_Backup: you can't constrain the outputs directly, but you can require so that it requires You + N of M (key0,key1...keyM), then you just refuse to sign any txn spending that input which doesn't give the coins back to you.
514 2011-11-27 18:24:01 <Lolcust_Backup> hm... that might end up a little cumbersome for the simple trick I had in mind. Hmmmm...
515 2011-11-27 18:25:32 <Lolcust_Backup> Basically, what I want is a multisign   with 2 parties  (you, bob) that sends X coins to Bob and Y coins to yourself  (so Bob gets X coins and you get your Y coins back, but only if both you and bob sign)
516 2011-11-27 18:26:24 <Lolcust_Backup> Having to actively check for double-crossing on Bob's part makes the use case I had in mind far less attractive
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518 2011-11-27 18:31:05 <gmaxwell> I don't know that there would need to actively be checking for double crossing.. a sensible userinterface for spending a multisign txn is for each spender to specify the outputs in the clear when they spend.
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520 2011-11-27 18:31:14 <gmaxwell> Thats how the existing escrow patch works.
521 2011-11-27 18:34:11 <Lolcust_Backup> well, it
522 2011-11-27 18:34:49 <Lolcust_Backup> is more of a "if the wisely programmed machine doesn't do it by itself, someone, somewhere, will screw it up and scream a lot" kind of concern...
523 2011-11-27 18:35:16 <Lolcust_Backup> Anyway, looks like that particular idea is going deep into the drawer for a long while
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528 2011-11-27 19:06:10 * sipa is back home
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532 2011-11-27 19:10:14 <davout> sipa: \o/
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536 2011-11-27 19:21:57 <theymos> Are input scripts signed when sending a transaction? I can't find where that happens in the code.
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538 2011-11-27 19:23:35 <denisx> I generated the coinbase transaction to the getmemorypool output, but even when I request a getwork the transaction seems not to change, I thought the extraNonce is in the coinbase transaction?
539 2011-11-27 19:24:11 <denisx> I mean I added the transaction to the output
540 2011-11-27 19:24:47 <luke-jr> denisx: fail
541 2011-11-27 19:25:10 <denisx> luke-jr: what is wrong?
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546 2011-11-27 19:36:24 <denisx> luke-jr: bist Du eigentlich auf dem 28c3?
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558 2011-11-27 19:53:56 <CIA-89> bitcoin: Gavin Andresen master * re1b1055 / src/init.cpp : Add missing command-line arguments to --help/-? output - http://git.io/EwHBeg
559 2011-11-27 19:57:43 <kinlo> sipa: do you have an uptodate patch for loading/exporting (private) keys?
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564 2011-11-27 20:11:42 <sipa> kinlo: yes, dumpprivkey should be quite up to date
565 2011-11-27 20:12:59 <davout> sipa: any clue about when that makes it to upstream ?
566 2011-11-27 20:13:09 <davout> if ever
567 2011-11-27 20:13:20 <sipa> davout: most likely 0.6
568 2011-11-27 20:13:27 <kinlo> it would be usefull if it's included :)
569 2011-11-27 20:13:29 <kinlo> very usefull
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571 2011-11-27 20:14:08 <davout> doesn't need to be included to be useful, i <3 it and can't wait to see it in the mainline client official release
572 2011-11-27 20:14:41 <sipa> :)
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575 2011-11-27 20:17:25 <kinlo> :)
576 2011-11-27 20:18:09 <kinlo> git rules if you start to get used to it
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578 2011-11-27 20:19:12 <davout> git gets ok when you get used to it
579 2011-11-27 20:19:27 <davout> it start to really really shine with messed up merges
580 2011-11-27 20:19:51 <davout> and starts rocking when you learn rebase
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582 2011-11-27 20:21:29 <gmaxwell> davout: and then you accidently merge something you should have rebased and your history becomes littered with merge commits that make it unreadable. So you rewrite it to fix that, and then everyone who has been pulling your repo is broken because it changed out from under them.. so you try to put it back but then you corrupt the repository and you're next reading git source and manually disassembling pack files...
583 2011-11-27 20:21:50 <gmaxwell> (it's a fine too, but a lot of its flexiblity is two-sided)
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587 2011-11-27 20:23:58 <davout>  yea, i always copy my working dir before using git black magic
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591 2011-11-27 20:35:34 <gmaxwell> s/too/tool/
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600 2011-11-27 20:53:07 <roconnor> theymos: only the input script for the particular input in question is signed; unless AnyoneCanPay in which case no inputs are signed.
601 2011-11-27 20:53:15 <roconnor> oh theymos is gone
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623 2011-11-27 22:34:30 <the_batman> !seen phantomcircuit
624 2011-11-27 22:34:30 <gribble> phantomcircuit was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 6 days, 16 hours, 12 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: <phantomcircuit> hazdb, what do you need
625 2011-11-27 22:34:32 <spaola> the_batman, phantomcircuit is right here!
626 2011-11-27 22:34:43 <the_batman> eh?
627 2011-11-27 22:34:49 * sipa summons phantomcircuit 
628 2011-11-27 22:35:02 <the_batman> lol no need to bother the man
629 2011-11-27 22:35:06 <the_batman> <3
630 2011-11-27 22:35:18 <the_batman> you guys all live together or something?
631 2011-11-27 22:35:29 <the_batman> live in the same city?
632 2011-11-27 22:35:35 <sipa> no, but i saw him saying something in another channel
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634 2011-11-27 22:35:58 <the_batman> ah
635 2011-11-27 22:36:06 <the_batman> anyone figure out how to make bitcoins work yet?
636 2011-11-27 22:36:14 <sipa> define "work" ?
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638 2011-11-27 22:36:19 <the_batman> ^-- lol
639 2011-11-27 22:36:21 <the_batman> that answers it ;)
640 2011-11-27 22:36:32 <sipa> it cannot do my dishes
641 2011-11-27 22:36:36 <sipa> hence, it failed
642 2011-11-27 22:36:42 <the_batman> can't really do anything
643 2011-11-27 22:36:58 <sipa> perfect, isn't it?
644 2011-11-27 22:37:01 <the_batman> lol
645 2011-11-27 22:37:11 <the_batman> except launder money
646 2011-11-27 22:37:11 <the_batman> ;D
647 2011-11-27 22:37:19 <sipa> that's still you doing that
648 2011-11-27 22:37:21 <sipa> not it
649 2011-11-27 22:37:39 <upb> it cant even launder money, just one step of it
650 2011-11-27 22:37:49 <the_batman> wonder how much mt gox business dropped when they started requiring physical id
651 2011-11-27 22:37:56 <the_batman> that's bad for illegal business
652 2011-11-27 22:39:18 <edcba> they require physical id ?!
653 2011-11-27 22:39:43 <edcba> anyway that's not really important
654 2011-11-27 22:39:52 <edcba> sell services, acquire bitcoins
655 2011-11-27 22:40:02 <edcba> wait for bitcoins to become mainstream
656 2011-11-27 22:40:08 <edcba> total anonymity
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676 2011-11-27 22:42:42 <the_batman> lol wait for bitcoins to become mainstream
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678 2011-11-27 22:43:00 <the_batman> everyone waiting for the day
679 2011-11-27 22:43:02 <the_batman> but someone has to do it
680 2011-11-27 22:43:15 <sipa> no, we all have to
681 2011-11-27 22:43:29 <sipa> but it will take a lot of time anyway, if ever
682 2011-11-27 22:43:40 <the_batman> someone who's studied the science of products and services has to figure out some real-world uses for the bitcoin
683 2011-11-27 22:44:14 <the_batman> some of my marketing profs would immediately know, I bet
684 2011-11-27 22:44:51 <the_batman> after I spent ten minutes getting the pronunciation and core concept of the so-called bit-coin
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