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  9 2011-12-15 00:06:25 <doublec> gmaxwell: namecoin expiry is 36,000 blocks
 10 2011-12-15 00:06:33 <doublec> gmaxwell: it hanged at block 24,000 iirc
 11 2011-12-15 00:06:37 <doublec> s/hanged/changed
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 15 2011-12-15 00:09:15 <gmaxwell> I remembered that it changed at some point, but ... was too lazy to go look to see if I was remembering before or after.
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 21 2011-12-15 00:52:29 <midnightmagic> Diablo-D3: Namecoin storing full-rev per fqdn.
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 23 2011-12-15 00:52:52 <Diablo-D3> midnightmagic: because its a waste of space.
 24 2011-12-15 00:53:07 <Diablo-D3> I dont care where something used to be pointed at
 25 2011-12-15 00:53:10 <Diablo-D3> just what it currently is
 26 2011-12-15 00:53:16 <midnightmagic> it's like 1023 chars and is meant to be a delegation.
 27 2011-12-15 00:53:29 <midnightmagic> (1023 max)
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 35 2011-12-15 01:05:51 <midnightmagic> sipa: I'm guessing he means a full record per fqdn in namecoin..
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 38 2011-12-15 01:07:07 <jjjrmy> Guys. I'm a little depressed, I want to start a new project. Any ideas?
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 41 2011-12-15 01:09:35 <tcatm> jjjrmy: advertising server for bitcoin ads
 42 2011-12-15 01:09:49 <jjjrmy> tcatm: Already working on that.
 43 2011-12-15 01:10:07 <tcatm> does it work?
 44 2011-12-15 01:10:17 <jjjrmy> tcatm: not yet, still in dev
 45 2011-12-15 01:10:40 <tcatm> finish it :)
 46 2011-12-15 01:11:05 <jjjrmy> tcatm: lol, okay.
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106 2011-12-15 05:06:11 <copumpkin> someone on the bitcoin subreddit asked a decent question
107 2011-12-15 05:06:23 <copumpkin> about being able to provide links to bitcoin addresses
108 2011-12-15 05:06:49 <copumpkin> might it make sense to further abuse URIs so we can write bitcoin://addresshere and have it open our client?
109 2011-12-15 05:07:03 <copumpkin> different browsers/OSes would need to register handlers for those differently
110 2011-12-15 05:07:15 <copumpkin> but it could be a decent standard to have
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112 2011-12-15 05:19:49 <helo> bitcoin://address instead of bitcoin:address ?
113 2011-12-15 05:22:34 <luke-jr> copumpkin: um, we ALREADY have URI scheme
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115 2011-12-15 05:22:42 <copumpkin> oh?
116 2011-12-15 05:22:45 <luke-jr> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/URI_Scheme
117 2011-12-15 05:22:46 <Herodes> Hi all! What's the testnet block count at currently ?
118 2011-12-15 05:23:16 <copumpkin> luke-jr: is it implemented anywhere?
119 2011-12-15 05:23:28 <luke-jr> copumpkin: Spesmilo, some other clients I forget the name of
120 2011-12-15 05:23:39 <copumpkin> cool
121 2011-12-15 05:23:40 <luke-jr> copumpkin: Bitcoin-Qt 0.6 will have partial support
122 2011-12-15 05:24:46 <copumpkin> even cooler
123 2011-12-15 05:25:06 * luke-jr wonders if MultiBit does
124 2011-12-15 05:27:34 <Herodes> Hi guys, I'm googling it, but the blocexplorer is down for test net.
125 2011-12-15 05:27:40 <Herodes> What is the current block count?
126 2011-12-15 05:28:01 <Herodes> so I can avoid spamming the bitcoin chain. *g*
127 2011-12-15 05:30:29 <Herodes> any substitutes for this ?
128 2011-12-15 05:30:30 <Herodes> http://blockexplorer.com/testnet/q/getblockcount
129 2011-12-15 05:34:03 <luke-jr> Herodes: your own client
130 2011-12-15 05:34:18 <Herodes> bitcoind getblockcount  <--- yeah, i figured it out
131 2011-12-15 05:35:57 <Herodes> Well, it's at 42163 right now if I'm not mistaken.
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133 2011-12-15 05:46:13 <Herodes> Ok, I asked for 50 BTC from the bitcoin testnet faucet, how long should it take before I have those?
134 2011-12-15 05:46:27 <Herodes> 50 BTC testnet coins that is
135 2011-12-15 05:46:45 <luke-jr> shrug
136 2011-12-15 05:46:50 <luke-jr> if you want 50, I'll give ya 51
137 2011-12-15 05:48:11 <Herodes> the amount doesn't matter luke-jr.
138 2011-12-15 05:48:20 <luke-jr> addr?
139 2011-12-15 05:48:24 <Herodes> I just want to do some programming, and I do not want to spam the bitcoin block chain.
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141 2011-12-15 05:49:02 <Herodes> mjxKT6Ug3o9zY3WE9a5X5eHfrscQCUgn8A
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143 2011-12-15 05:49:48 <luke-jr> sent
144 2011-12-15 05:49:56 <luke-jr> you'll probably need to make some blocks to confirm it
145 2011-12-15 05:51:08 <Herodes> thanks.
146 2011-12-15 05:53:04 <Herodes> Is it sufficient to to bitcoind -testnet -gen ? With a CPU ?
147 2011-12-15 05:53:13 <luke-jr> unlikely
148 2011-12-15 05:53:17 <luke-jr> testnet difficulty is pretty high
149 2011-12-15 05:53:57 <Herodes> ok.
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308 2011-12-15 14:32:55 <batouzo> multibit - anyone knows how to contact author? or get sources?
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327 2011-12-15 15:17:28 <gavinandresen> gmaxwell: ping
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329 2011-12-15 15:18:32 <gmaxwell> gavinandresen: pong
330 2011-12-15 15:19:02 <gavinandresen> gmaxwell: Is there a summary of all the thought that's been put into deterministic wallets/keys somewhere?
331 2011-12-15 15:19:22 <TD> is there an alert being broadcast on the testnet?
332 2011-12-15 15:19:31 <gavinandresen> ... I'm specifically thinking about ByteCoin's A&B|C stuff...
333 2011-12-15 15:19:44 <gavinandresen> TD:  there were two, but they should have both expired yesterday
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335 2011-12-15 15:21:16 <TD> ah ok
336 2011-12-15 15:21:25 <TD> darn. i was about to implement parsing/verifying of alert messages :)
337 2011-12-15 15:21:27 <gmaxwell> There are a lot of scattered bits here and there, but I'm not aware of any broad writeups.  I'm also not sure I follow ByteCoin's concern: If you're remembering C is rembering the details required to find the public parts of A&B really that much of a big barrier?
338 2011-12-15 15:21:48 <lianj> TD: hehe me too
339 2011-12-15 15:21:49 <TD> gavinandresen: would you consider establishing a longer lived alert?
340 2011-12-15 15:21:50 <gavinandresen> I don't think so (I'm writing a reply to his latest post now)
341 2011-12-15 15:22:26 <gavinandresen> TD: well... unfortunately the testnet doesn't have a separate CAlert signing key from main net....
342 2011-12-15 15:22:54 <gavinandresen> ... so SOMEBODY (cough gmaxwell cough) could broadcast it on the main net
343 2011-12-15 15:22:54 <TD> oh, i see. so the concern is that it might get "migrated" by somebody?
344 2011-12-15 15:22:54 <gmaxwell> (obviously you can use one of the determinstic schemes to generate A ... B is less clear.  B could just be a well known service pubkey * A.
345 2011-12-15 15:22:58 <gmaxwell> )
346 2011-12-15 15:23:03 <lianj> gavinandresen: haha
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348 2011-12-15 15:23:48 <gavinandresen> TD:  you want to test CAlert handling?
349 2011-12-15 15:23:56 <TD> gavinandresen: could you send me a signed alert privately so i can broadcast it on a testnet-in-a-box? i guess there is some tool that sends the message?
350 2011-12-15 15:23:58 <TD> well implement it :)
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352 2011-12-15 15:24:05 <TD> might as well knock off that simple todo list item
353 2011-12-15 15:24:12 <helo> gmaxwell: i enjoyed your storj post :D
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355 2011-12-15 15:24:46 <gavinandresen> TD: I think it would be easier (and better) for me to just create a separate testnet signing key.
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357 2011-12-15 15:24:57 <TD> that works too
358 2011-12-15 15:25:03 <gavinandresen> ... hmmm... and then figure out whether or not to make that public....
359 2011-12-15 15:25:05 <TD> gmaxwell: StorJ went down quite well inside google, for what it's worth :)
360 2011-12-15 15:25:30 <[Tycho]> Hello
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362 2011-12-15 15:25:51 <gmaxwell> ha. I'm not surprised that Google attracts the kind of folks who consider that possibility exciting.
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364 2011-12-15 15:29:22 <Eliel> gavinandresen: how about allow the person using testnet in a box to easily create a key for that?
365 2011-12-15 15:29:30 <TD> hmm, alerts are more complicated than i thought
366 2011-12-15 15:29:36 <TD> gavinandresen: do you have a tool that creates them?
367 2011-12-15 15:31:35 <gavinandresen> TD: It is typical Satoshi:  I've got a sendalert.cpp that, when compiled into bitcoin, sends an alert.
368 2011-12-15 15:32:46 <gavinandresen> ... and a different alert means modify/recompile/re-run
369 2011-12-15 15:32:49 <TD> haha
370 2011-12-15 15:34:02 <sipa> I expected no less :)
371 2011-12-15 15:34:36 <gavinandresen> I'll be working on the testnet difficulty code later today, I'll generate a separate testnet alert key.
372 2011-12-15 15:35:23 <TD> fixed testnet diff coming up?
373 2011-12-15 15:35:58 <gavinandresen> I've got a pull request pending that needs some tweaks-- it'll be "fixed after 20 minutes"
374 2011-12-15 15:36:55 <gavinandresen> See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=50223.0
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381 2011-12-15 15:49:33 <gavinandresen> gmaxwell: please let me know if I'm being an idiot here:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=54416.msg651187#msg651187
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403 2011-12-15 16:27:31 <TD> gavinandresen: could you provide a redacted version of the sendalert.cpp file somewhere?
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406 2011-12-15 16:27:52 <gavinandresen> TD: sure
407 2011-12-15 16:32:07 <gavinandresen> TD: https://gist.github.com/1481736
408 2011-12-15 16:36:02 <gavinandresen> Speaking of alerts... there is limited space in the 0.4.0 status bar for the alert message. I still think broadcasting an alert when 0.5.1 is final (tomorrow maybe?) is a good idea, anybody have opinions on proposed message:   "WALLET ENCRYPTION INSECURE: ver.0.5.1 available"
409 2011-12-15 16:36:40 <edcba> pff
410 2011-12-15 16:37:02 <edcba> if someone can read your wallet file doesn't matter if encrypted i guess
411 2011-12-15 16:37:29 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: hmm, it would be better if announcements could be locked to specific versions ;)
412 2011-12-15 16:37:39 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: it is
413 2011-12-15 16:37:44 <luke-jr> oh, nice
414 2011-12-15 16:37:45 <gavinandresen> err, they are....
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416 2011-12-15 16:38:35 <gavinandresen> There were two alerts on testnet yesterday:  one for version 0.4.0 (only), and one for 0.5.*
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418 2011-12-15 16:40:36 <gmaxwell> gavinandresen: I expect that will cause a lot of confusion from people who don't know about wallet encryption... but I don't have any suggestions to improve it. The fact that it will be limited to 0.4 is helpful at least.
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420 2011-12-15 16:41:06 <gavinandresen> edcba: I'm worried about 'encrypted' backups being stolen
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422 2011-12-15 16:41:35 <gmaxwell> gavinandresen: when the next release is published can you place the hashes and signatures somewhere more visible on the website? at least one person has complained for each of the last several releases.
423 2011-12-15 16:42:19 <gavinandresen> gmaxwell: I was reading the Apache Foundation's suggestions for code signing yesterday... I could create detached signatures for each of the executables
424 2011-12-15 16:42:30 <gavinandresen> err, each of the downloads....
425 2011-12-15 16:43:52 <gmaxwell> I think that would be fine, so long as it was reasonably visible. Most people won't usefully check them anyways.
426 2011-12-15 16:44:24 <gmaxwell> On the point, you should get your gpg key signed by some people so that people who haven't met you can get some evidence that your key is yours. :)
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428 2011-12-15 16:44:56 <gavinandresen> According to the Apache folks, I should generate a new key, too...
429 2011-12-15 16:45:11 <gavinandresen> (current key is 1024-bit RSA)
430 2011-12-15 16:45:45 <gavinandresen> Today's a good day to do that (it's my birthday!)
431 2011-12-15 16:45:56 <gmaxwell> ah. thats hair splitting, I think, but it doesn't appear that you have a lot invested in that key... so sure. And happy birthday!
432 2011-12-15 16:47:06 <copumpkin> gavinandresen: happy birthday!
433 2011-12-15 16:47:08 <rasengan> Happy Birthday :-)
434 2011-12-15 16:47:32 <gavinandresen> gmaxwell: I agree it is hair-splitting, but if I'm going to go to the effort of asking people to sign, I might as well generate a slightly-more-secure key.
435 2011-12-15 16:48:45 <luke-jr> pub  1024D/D53E9583  created: 2002-06-06  expires: 2012-06-09  usage: SC
436 2011-12-15 16:49:02 <luke-jr> my key will be 10 years old soon :P
437 2011-12-15 16:50:48 <gmaxwell> pub   1024D/B0413BFA 1999-11-27
438 2011-12-15 16:50:57 <gmaxwell> I have an older one someplace.
439 2011-12-15 16:51:22 <gmaxwell> Nothing magical happened when mine turned 10.
440 2011-12-15 16:52:18 <gavinandresen> You don't get presents from the gpg fairy every year?
441 2011-12-15 16:52:31 <gavinandresen> I thought if you put your key under your pillow.....
442 2011-12-15 16:53:18 <copumpkin> won't the key start rebelling in a couple of years, gmaxwell?
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448 2011-12-15 17:04:43 <TD> gavinandresen: beautiful :)
449 2011-12-15 17:05:42 <luke-jr> copumpkin: rebellion is a "teenager" thing mainly, a result of trying to extend childhood into adult years :P
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451 2011-12-15 17:06:18 <luke-jr> copumpkin: FYI, "teenagers" didn't exist >500 years ago.
452 2011-12-15 17:06:27 <copumpkin> I know this :)
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454 2011-12-15 17:10:38 <Diablo-D3> 500 years ago they were called married men
455 2011-12-15 17:10:42 <Diablo-D3> and/or slaves
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459 2011-12-15 17:18:01 <sipa> gavinandresen: happy birthday!
460 2011-12-15 17:20:38 <gavinandresen> Thanks for the happy birthdays, everybody.
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462 2011-12-15 17:21:45 <sipa> luke-jr: nonetheless, i believe even the romans complained about "the young generation" :)
463 2011-12-15 17:22:03 <[Tycho]> Happy birthday ^)
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476 2011-12-15 17:49:19 <copumpkin> damn youngsters
477 2011-12-15 17:49:27 <copumpkin> they always suck, no matter what generation you're in
478 2011-12-15 17:54:27 <UukGoblin> as long as they're female...
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486 2011-12-15 18:10:58 <Mqrius> Whoa, that was freaky. I saw some weird transactions and stuff I didn't order in my litecoin client which I never use except to receive mining funds on, and it said something about transferring bitcoins and I was confused feared for my security -- until I realized it was the bitcoin client 0.5 which I just installed. Lol.
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533 2011-12-15 19:40:22 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: whats the status of 0.5.1 rc2?
534 2011-12-15 19:41:00 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt: Looks good, I plan on making it 0.5.1 final this afternoon
535 2011-12-15 19:41:34 <BlueMatt> nice, Ill build on friday (after Im done with these damn exams...)
536 2011-12-15 19:41:49 <BlueMatt> (hopefully gitian is deterministic this time)
537 2011-12-15 19:42:03 <BlueMatt> actually, might you consider waiting until friday evening to release the builds?
538 2011-12-15 19:44:31 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: ^
539 2011-12-15 19:45:47 <gavinandresen> Why wait?
540 2011-12-15 19:46:05 <BlueMatt> so that we can make sure the binaries released are all gitian-reproduceable
541 2011-12-15 19:46:20 <gavinandresen> I'm not going to hold up the release while gitian build stuff is tweaked....
542 2011-12-15 19:46:21 <BlueMatt> 0.5.0 seemed reproduceable between me and devrandom, but you got (and released) different results...
543 2011-12-15 19:46:57 <BlueMatt> mmm, fair enough...
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547 2011-12-15 19:50:20 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: will you build 0.4.2 and/or 0.5.0.1 as well, please? ;)
548 2011-12-15 19:52:40 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: no
549 2011-12-15 19:53:13 <luke-jr> lame
550 2011-12-15 19:53:22 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: how about you?
551 2011-12-15 19:53:31 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: Ill do it friday evening
552 2011-12-15 19:53:41 <luke-jr> k ty
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554 2011-12-15 19:57:06 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: assuming you updated gitian yml's to point to the right repos
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558 2011-12-15 19:59:45 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: should be
559 2011-12-15 20:00:16 <BlueMatt> ok, Ill take a look tomorrow
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561 2011-12-15 20:05:11 <lianj> btw, whats the origin why a coinbase tx uses pubkey + op_checksig script?
562 2011-12-15 20:05:30 <gmaxwell> lianj: it takes less space total in the chain.
563 2011-12-15 20:05:45 <lianj> ah ok, thanks
564 2011-12-15 20:05:49 <gmaxwell> (the coinbase is bigger, but the script to spend it is smaller)
565 2011-12-15 20:06:09 <gmaxwell> this wouldn't be the case if we used public key extraction, but we don't.
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567 2011-12-15 20:11:41 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: heh, I use your name to remember the author of a text in history, thanks
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582 2011-12-15 20:24:28 <bitcoinss> salve a tutti
583 2011-12-15 20:24:31 <bitcoinss> Hi ALl
584 2011-12-15 20:25:18 <bitcoinss> i'm italian i don't have undestand so much the bitcoins work
585 2011-12-15 20:26:18 <bitcoinss> this software can give to me, real money?
586 2011-12-15 20:26:52 <BlueMatt> bitcoinss: maybe a better question for #bitcoin
587 2011-12-15 20:27:33 <bitcoinss> this is not a channel for support?
588 2011-12-15 20:27:47 <BlueMatt> no, its the development channel
589 2011-12-15 20:27:53 <BlueMatt> #bitcoin is support/discussion
590 2011-12-15 20:27:59 <Ken`> bitcoinss: https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B1UsG65HCLkuMjA3Mzk2ZTUtYjQ4Ni00MjEyLTgzN2ItMjI3ODU0M2Y4MGUx&hl=en_US&pli=1
591 2011-12-15 20:29:01 <bitcoinss> i'm on the site of bitcoins in wiki page
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593 2011-12-15 20:30:04 <bitcoinss> thanks Ken`
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598 2011-12-15 20:33:44 <bitcoinss> hi rdponticelli ARE YOU FROM ITALY?
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600 2011-12-15 20:34:14 <rdponticelli> Hi bitcoinss. No, I'm from Argentina
601 2011-12-15 20:35:21 <copumpkin> my precsiossssss
602 2011-12-15 20:35:21 <bitcoinss> ok :D
603 2011-12-15 20:35:32 <copumpkin> I am from italy!!
604 2011-12-15 20:35:45 <bitcoinss> rdponticelli: ponticelli is a zone of naples :D
605 2011-12-15 20:35:54 <bitcoinss> copumpkin: salve a te :D
606 2011-12-15 20:35:58 <b4epoche> copumpkin:  you still mining?
607 2011-12-15 20:36:03 <rdponticelli> Yes, I know
608 2011-12-15 20:36:10 <copumpkin> b4epoche: hah no, I only mined for about two weeks total
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610 2011-12-15 20:36:15 <copumpkin> b4epoche: I'm just loan sharking
611 2011-12-15 20:36:17 <rdponticelli> I think my ancestors came from there
612 2011-12-15 20:36:34 <copumpkin> bitcoinss: buonasera
613 2011-12-15 20:36:34 <b4epoche> what?  what did you do with that rig?
614 2011-12-15 20:36:58 <copumpkin> b4epoche: I'm actually going to ship my GPUs off to imsaguy2, who's borrowing them to mine with them
615 2011-12-15 20:36:58 <rdponticelli> It also means small bridges...
616 2011-12-15 20:37:45 <bitcoinss> copumpkin: potresti spiegarmi cosa posso fare con Bitcoins?
617 2011-12-15 20:38:26 <copumpkin> sarebbe meglio spiegartelo altrove
618 2011-12-15 20:38:31 <copumpkin> non so dove :P
619 2011-12-15 20:38:55 <bitcoinss> aspè in privato è meglio :D
620 2011-12-15 20:39:01 <b4epoche> copumpkin:  why no mining?  not worth the cost?
621 2011-12-15 20:39:20 <copumpkin> b4epoche: I got too lazy to fix linux, so I just turned it off
622 2011-12-15 20:39:32 <copumpkin> it was still worth $13 when I turned it off :P
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630 2011-12-15 20:54:56 <Eliel> copumpkin: that's quite lazy :D
631 2011-12-15 20:55:24 <Eliel> copumpkin: in my mind, this is most likely the best time I'll ever have for mining (assuming I keep the coins)
632 2011-12-15 20:56:06 <copumpkin> yeah, it might have been
633 2011-12-15 20:56:24 <copumpkin> ah well, the mining rig is a sunk cost that I've probably made back since, so I'm not too worried
634 2011-12-15 20:57:37 <Eliel> well, in that case, no problem :P
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637 2011-12-15 21:00:24 <copumpkin> plus, I can use it for other stuff
638 2011-12-15 21:00:29 <copumpkin> not that I've done that yet
639 2011-12-15 21:01:13 <Eliel> how did you break the linux though?
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641 2011-12-15 21:04:05 <copumpkin> I was running it with no hard drive, and booting it off a usb key. Unfortunately, the linux install was unable to shut down correctly, and just froze every time I asked it to shut down/restart. And every time I shut it down, my filesystem got progressively more corrupt (for a long time I had to use IPs for my pool because the directory entry for resolv.conf got screwed up, so I couldn't read it but couldn't delete/replace it either)
642 2011-12-15 21:04:17 <copumpkin> eventually, the fs got so fucked that the machine didn't boot anymore
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644 2011-12-15 21:12:46 <Eliel> oh, strange.
645 2011-12-15 21:13:38 <Eliel> there is a thing called "remount read-only" that can be done though.
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647 2011-12-15 21:14:29 <copumpkin> it was already read-only is what was weird
648 2011-12-15 21:14:49 <copumpkin> it was some weird setup using an obscure compress filesystem that lived on an image in a fat32 partition so you could use the usb key for other stuff too
649 2011-12-15 21:14:54 <copumpkin> *compressed
650 2011-12-15 21:15:30 <Eliel> ok, then it sounds strange, unless it's the fat32 partition that got corrupted.
651 2011-12-15 21:15:30 <copumpkin> the fact that it was obscure is why I didn't have an fsck or similar for it
652 2011-12-15 21:16:01 <Eliel> I mean, if it's read-only, the image file should still be intact?
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654 2011-12-15 21:18:11 <copumpkin> who knows
655 2011-12-15 21:18:27 <copumpkin> I wasn't willing to struggle with the install, so I threw a hard drive in it and put a more conventional ubuntu install into it
656 2011-12-15 21:18:42 <copumpkin> but then none of the miners could see my cards
657 2011-12-15 21:18:48 <copumpkin> even though all the usual fglrx utilities could
658 2011-12-15 21:19:05 <copumpkin> at that point I said fuck it and left it alone
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660 2011-12-15 21:25:41 <gavinandresen> The 0.5.1 release is ready:  https://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/bitcoin-0.5.1/
661 2011-12-15 21:29:12 <gmaxwell> gavinandresen: where is your new key?
662 2011-12-15 21:29:16 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: no tag?
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664 2011-12-15 21:30:22 <gavinandresen> gmaxwell: I signed with the old key, will sign future releases with my new key (after uploading it to bitcoin.org and giving it a chance to percolate)
665 2011-12-15 21:30:31 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: thanks for the reminder, I'll tag it now
666 2011-12-15 21:31:57 <gmaxwell> odd.. I got key not found on the sig and I thought I had your old key imported.
667 2011-12-15 21:32:27 <gmaxwell> oh, I guess it's just saying it because it's not marked as trusted  okay.
668 2011-12-15 21:32:33 <gmaxwell> yea, I see it as BE38D3A8
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670 2011-12-15 21:33:23 <gavinandresen> My new key is 1FC730C1 :  see http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=gavinandresen&op=index
671 2011-12-15 21:34:59 <gavinandresen> And RE: getting other people to sign my keys:  please do.  I just signed gmaxwell's and luke-jr's and jgarzik's and wumpus's and tcatm's.....
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673 2011-12-15 21:36:11 <gmaxwell> I'll sign yours as soon as I see a signature across a more trusted path than IRC. :) (it's ineffective if I just sign keys I hear on IRC!)
674 2011-12-15 21:36:33 <gavinandresen> gmaxwell: you can grab the BE38 key from the bitcoin.org homepage
675 2011-12-15 21:37:01 <gavinandresen> ... or you could see which key signed previous releases.
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677 2011-12-15 21:38:21 <gavinandresen> Of course, I MIGHT be an alien who took over Gavin's body before he got involved in Bitcoin... identity is such a funny thing...
678 2011-12-15 21:39:17 <gmaxwell> yea, well, I'm not concerned with that possibility.. :) I don't mind aliens so long as they code a lot.
679 2011-12-15 21:39:26 <gavinandresen> luke-jr:  * [new tag]         v0.5.1 -> v0.5.1
680 2011-12-15 21:40:13 <Eliel> gmaxwell: I like that answer :D
681 2011-12-15 21:40:26 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: did you go looking for my key, or have I actually used it recently? :P
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684 2011-12-15 21:45:38 <luke-jr> tagged 0.4.2 and 0.5.0.1 on stable
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686 2011-12-15 21:50:47 <nanotube> gavinandresen: the old key is still to be used for email etc, yes? that's just a code signing key?
687 2011-12-15 21:51:33 <wumpus> gavinandresen: how do I get the signature? and which key should I sign, the BE38D3A8 one or the 1FC730C1 ?
688 2011-12-15 21:51:38 <gavinandresen> nanotube: I don't use gpg for anything other than signing releases
689 2011-12-15 21:51:57 * nanotube sends gavinandresen an encrypted email to put the lie to that statement.
690 2011-12-15 21:52:25 <gavinandresen> wumpus:  gpg -recv-keys BE38D3A8 1FC730C1
691 2011-12-15 21:52:49 <gavinandresen> wumpus: then gpg --sign-key BE38D3A8
692 2011-12-15 21:52:53 <wumpus> I mean how do I get the signed version of my own key?
693 2011-12-15 21:53:20 <wumpus> I have the BE38 one from bitcoin.org
694 2011-12-15 21:53:22 <nanotube> gavinandresen: (also, you registered on otc using the old key)
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696 2011-12-15 21:53:25 <gavinandresen> Oh, gpg --recv-keys  2346C9A6   should fetch it
697 2011-12-15 21:53:50 <gavinandresen> nanotube: yeah, registered there long ago....
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699 2011-12-15 21:56:57 <gavinandresen> nanotube: all right, fine, people sometimes send me email encrypted... I don't care which key they use.
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705 2011-12-15 21:59:30 <wumpus> ok I signed both and sent them
706 2011-12-15 22:00:55 <gavinandresen> What does:  trust: 0-, 0q, 0n, 0m, 0f, 1u    in the gpg info about keys?
707 2011-12-15 22:01:09 <gavinandresen> err, what does that mean?
708 2011-12-15 22:01:41 <wumpus> I don't know
709 2011-12-15 22:04:55 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: sign BE38D3A8⁇?
710 2011-12-15 22:05:01 <luke-jr> I only found 1FC730C1, isn't that it?
711 2011-12-15 22:05:45 <luke-jr> oh, it's a subkey
712 2011-12-15 22:05:50 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: 1FC7 is the 4096-bit RSA key I generated today, following the advice of the Apache Software folks...
713 2011-12-15 22:06:15 <gavinandresen> BE38 is my old 1024-bit DSA key I generated last year.
714 2011-12-15 22:06:17 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: so how do I know Freenode isn't MITMing us?
715 2011-12-15 22:06:19 <luke-jr> <.<
716 2011-12-15 22:06:24 <wumpus> they recommend creating a 4096 bit key?
717 2011-12-15 22:06:31 <wumpus> luke-jr: he signed it with his old key
718 2011-12-15 22:06:34 <gmaxwell> wumpus: no harm in it. ::shrugs::
719 2011-12-15 22:06:53 <gavinandresen> wumpus:  http://www.apache.org/dev/release-signing
720 2011-12-15 22:07:07 <wumpus> no harm in it, sure, but then I'd need to update my key everywhere...
721 2011-12-15 22:07:22 <gavinandresen> They're probably being extra-special-paranoid.... which is, in general, a good idea
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723 2011-12-15 22:08:22 <wumpus> ah I see I already made it 2048, should be ok for now
724 2011-12-15 22:08:45 <jgarzik> gah.  I really need to dig out those patches that eliminate the loading of block & address indices
725 2011-12-15 22:09:13 <luke-jr> someone verify my sig got to the keyservers?
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728 2011-12-15 22:10:00 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: yup
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733 2011-12-15 22:17:31 <phantomcircuit> gavinandresen, they recommend 4096 as that is the largest key commonly supported
734 2011-12-15 22:17:37 <phantomcircuit> 8192 will break things at random
735 2011-12-15 22:17:54 <gavinandresen> I wonder if 4011 would work....
736 2011-12-15 22:17:59 <phantomcircuit> probably
737 2011-12-15 22:18:04 <gavinandresen> (eleven is my favorite number)
738 2011-12-15 22:18:22 <phantomcircuit> very long keys can cause a dos condition
739 2011-12-15 22:18:35 <phantomcircuit> it's why openvpn has the option of using both a secret and rsa
740 2011-12-15 22:18:46 <phantomcircuit> the secret is to avoid expensive rsa operations
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742 2011-12-15 22:19:03 <gmaxwell> gavinandresen: sometimes keys are a little smaller than specced.
743 2011-12-15 22:19:06 <phantomcircuit> which is actually something i had been thinking about for bitcoin
744 2011-12-15 22:19:18 <eueueue> hum, the translation problem was not fixed
745 2011-12-15 22:19:21 <gmaxwell> the old RSA libraries wouldn't do larger than 4096 IIRC.
746 2011-12-15 22:19:25 <phantomcircuit> a secret would mean malicious nodes cant spam the network with bad transactions
747 2011-12-15 22:19:43 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, a lot of current libraries refuse to also
748 2011-12-15 22:19:47 <phantomcircuit> see openvpn
749 2011-12-15 22:19:51 <eueueue> Should at least have an option to change the language to english on the gui
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754 2011-12-15 22:27:08 <CIA-100> libbitcoin: genjix bdb * rc8e9c7e22231 / (18 files in 7 dirs): Beginning of organize code (incomplete- making personal backup) http://tinyurl.com/cq45y2u
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779 2011-12-15 22:56:40 <nanotube> <gavinandresen> What does:  trust: 0-, 0q, 0n, 0m, 0f, 1u    in the gpg info about keys? <- that's info about your trust in the identity of the key. using the pgp web of trust stuff. somewhat similar to the otc wot, but about identity verification, rather than trading trust.
780 2011-12-15 22:57:37 <gavinandresen> nanotube: I kind of figured that much out myself.  So... what does the - and q a n and m and n and f a u stand for?
781 2011-12-15 22:57:46 <gavinandresen> nanotube: ... and even better, is it documented somewhere?
782 2011-12-15 22:59:45 <gavinandresen> mmmm.... multibit in hindi looks neat:  http://multibit.org/postImages/hindi.png
783 2011-12-15 23:00:33 <sipa> gavinandresen: my key is 1DAAC974, though i believe you shouldn't really sign people's keys unless you physically (like, id card wise) verify they are who they claim they say
784 2011-12-15 23:01:12 <gavinandresen> sipa:  ... as if id cards can't be faked....
785 2011-12-15 23:01:40 <gmaxwell> gavinandresen: it's just about creating a consistent level of difficulty for an attacker.
786 2011-12-15 23:01:53 <gmaxwell> (maybe not an especially high difficulty)
787 2011-12-15 23:02:35 <sipa> gavinandresen: still, you shouldn't sign a key because an unauthenticated irc users that claims to be me tells you his key id
788 2011-12-15 23:02:46 <sipa> though i should put it on bitcoin.org i guess
789 2011-12-15 23:02:50 <gavinandresen> Seems like communicating with somebody for months, cooperating on a project, sending email, chatting in IRC, maybe talking on the phone... would be plenty of difficulty
790 2011-12-15 23:03:12 <gavinandresen> There's nothing magical about meeting in person, I guess is what I'm trying to say.
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792 2011-12-15 23:03:59 <sipa> true - you're basically signing "i trust this key belongs to the identity of the developer who has done ..., ...", and not really "i trust this key belongs to someone who is called ... in real life"
793 2011-12-15 23:04:00 <cjdelisle> on the one hand an impostor could come on irc one day as part of a plot to get a key signed, on the other hand the human mind is pretty good at ferriting out imposters from conversation
794 2011-12-15 23:04:39 <gavinandresen> yup.
795 2011-12-15 23:05:02 <gavinandresen> (see, if I was an imposter I would have said "quite right old chap" there....)
796 2011-12-15 23:05:18 <sipa> lol
797 2011-12-15 23:05:37 <gmaxwell> the imposter could just be a copy of sed s/realid/fakeid/ though. :)
798 2011-12-15 23:07:45 <nanotube> gavinandresen: heh i don't know all the abbreviations myself, but u is ultimate, m is marginal, iirc.
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800 2011-12-15 23:08:45 <gavinandresen> See y'all later, I'm done for today
801 2011-12-15 23:08:46 <nanotube> you can set thresholds for when you'll trust the identity of the key, based on number of full and marginal trust sign the key
802 2011-12-15 23:09:05 <nanotube> er, *keys with full....
803 2011-12-15 23:09:11 <nanotube> cheers gavinandresen o/
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806 2011-12-15 23:12:26 <sipa> tcatm: i added my e-mail and pgp key to the bitcoin.org repository; does it get propagated automatically to the website?
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832 2011-12-15 23:48:10 <tcatm> sipa: yes, but githubs http hooks are unreliable. I'll trigger a rebuild
833 2011-12-15 23:49:11 <midnightmagic> meeting in person is much harder to fake than not. online all you have to fake is text. meeting in person you have to fake speech, body language, tone, maybe a driver's licence *and* you have to prove you know everything that was said in public and private through your online persona.
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