1 2011-12-30 00:00:16 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: or the fact that it writes out 2gb of transaction logs during syncup.
  2 2011-12-30 00:00:57 <gmaxwell> TD: ah, I'd missed that. That sounds good— though I think the resource usage of full mode is needlessly high.
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  6 2011-12-30 00:01:28 <TD> well i _think_ that what gavinandresen plans
  7 2011-12-30 00:02:21 <gmaxwell> man, there are so many interesting things to improe.
  8 2011-12-30 00:02:24 <gmaxwell> er improve.
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 10 2011-12-30 00:03:57 <gavinandresen> TD:  on my TODO list along with a gazillion other things.....
 11 2011-12-30 00:06:18 <TD> yep
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 16 2011-12-30 00:09:03 <ByteCoin2> gavin: Nice dinner? ;)
 17 2011-12-30 00:09:24 <gavinandresen> ByteCoin2: quick response, then I'm out again:  I have no PRACTICAL reason to dislike "compute something to be evaluated", it just doesn't feel right to me (in the same way pseudo-turing-complete doesn't feel right to roconnor....)
 18 2011-12-30 00:09:41 <ByteCoin2> Ok thanks for the response.
 19 2011-12-30 00:09:56 <gavinandresen> (dinner was pretty good, kids and wife didn't like the veggies I cooked though)
 20 2011-12-30 00:10:32 <ByteCoin2> Hopefully we'll all have some constructive discussions about things (preferrably on the forum). (You force those veggies down! They'll thank you later)
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 29 2011-12-30 00:43:18 <CIA-100> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * rc7c838d7805c cgminer/main.c: Give warning with donor pool so as to explain why there may be a slow startup. http://tinyurl.com/c9w4pmg
 30 2011-12-30 00:43:20 <CIA-100> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * r19e373b80315 cgminer/util.c: All threads are detached so there is no need to join them and it may dereference causing crash on exit. http://tinyurl.com/c64spdw
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 32 2011-12-30 00:45:52 <roconnor> gmaxwell: darcs get http://r6.ca/Purecoin
 33 2011-12-30 00:45:58 <roconnor> gmaxwell: it is still a work in progress
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 64 2011-12-30 02:00:12 <[Tycho]> You don't have permission to access /Purecoin/ on this server.
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 73 2011-12-30 02:05:14 <gmaxwell> [Tycho]: Darcs fetch != http.
 74 2011-12-30 02:10:09 <luke-jr> he left
 75 2011-12-30 02:10:12 <luke-jr> but fail
 76 2011-12-30 02:10:24 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: you fail too btw
 77 2011-12-30 02:10:29 <luke-jr> it's still a HTTP URI
 78 2011-12-30 02:10:36 <luke-jr> so it'd better be using some kind of HTTP :P
 79 2011-12-30 02:10:58 <gmaxwell> sure, but it works with darcs. I have no idea what path or method it uses.
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151 2011-12-30 06:14:53 <BlueMatt-mobile> sipa do you have the time and willingness to implement you eval proposal so that everyone feels a bit more comefortable and we can move on?
152 2011-12-30 06:15:33 <BlueMatt-mobile> ;;seen sipa
153 2011-12-30 06:15:34 <gribble> sipa was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 6 hours, 40 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: * sipa -> bed
154 2011-12-30 06:15:43 <BlueMatt-mobile> Heh of course
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160 2011-12-30 06:28:41 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: yea... not being able to see which keepnode connections are actually up is annoying.
161 2011-12-30 06:29:06 <gmaxwell> (I mean, I can lsof .. but that doesn't tell me, e.g. the last time it was connected)
162 2011-12-30 06:35:28 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: patches wecome :)
163 2011-12-30 06:35:34 <BlueMatt> s/wecome/welcome/
164 2011-12-30 06:35:52 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: though I agree, Im just busy writing other patches atm...
165 2011-12-30 06:36:02 <gmaxwell> yea yea. its in my queue if you don't get to it first.
166 2011-12-30 06:36:54 <BlueMatt> ok, well we'll see who gets there first then :)
167 2011-12-30 06:37:08 <gmaxwell> Mostly unrelated,  I decided to try p2pool again... big improvement from the last time I used it. It has matured a lot, and appears to work really well now.
168 2011-12-30 06:37:33 <gmaxwell> (my motivation for paying attention to keep node— it gave me a reason to groom my local bitcoin nodes...)
169 2011-12-30 06:38:20 <BlueMatt> nice, thats good to hear
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172 2011-12-30 06:40:51 <vsrinivas> does it include transactions in blocks now?
173 2011-12-30 06:40:57 <gmaxwell> Yes.
174 2011-12-30 06:41:56 <gmaxwell> And merged-mines with namecoin... and allows you to have customer miners that get paid (eligius style address in username)
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188 2011-12-30 08:11:12 <BlueMatt> anyone have a chain snapshot with a small number of blocks?
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192 2011-12-30 08:14:39 <BlueMatt> the following is in error:
193 2011-12-30 08:14:40 <BlueMattBot> Project Bitcoind-Sanitytest build #132: ABORTED in 2 days 9 hr: http://jenkins.bluematt.me/job/Bitcoind-Sanitytest/132/
194 2011-12-30 08:14:56 <BlueMattBot> Project Bitcoin build #157: ABORTED in 8.1 sec: http://jenkins.bluematt.me/job/Bitcoin/157/
195 2011-12-30 08:15:52 <BlueMatt> thank you for your understanding
196 2011-12-30 08:22:50 <BlueMattBot> Project Bitcoin build #158: FAILURE in 7 min 44 sec: http://jenkins.bluematt.me/job/Bitcoin/158/
197 2011-12-30 08:22:56 <BlueMatt> wtf?
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202 2011-12-30 08:26:47 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: ping
203 2011-12-30 08:29:48 <Joric> where is that enourmous brain
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208 2011-12-30 08:30:16 <BlueMatt> thats the problem with being on the west coast - when you want to do work, no one else is around...
209 2011-12-30 08:31:35 <Diablo-D3> heh?
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212 2011-12-30 08:32:51 <BlueMatt> has anyone profiled bitcoin while downloading blocks and figured out how much cpu time is spent on checking if txes belong to the user?
213 2011-12-30 08:34:22 <Joric> for now i'd rather download the blockchain from http
214 2011-12-30 08:35:01 <Joric> just figured out it's zipped and placed on sf
215 2011-12-30 08:35:16 <BlueMatt> best place: http://eu1.bitcoincharts.com/blockchain/
216 2011-12-30 08:35:27 <BlueMatt> gpg signed and trustworthy :)
217 2011-12-30 08:36:38 <Joric> the latter is not compressed hell knows why but those 1.2gb wont download faster than a 400mb zip archive )
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219 2011-12-30 08:39:35 <vsrinivas> BlueMatt: i've been gathering ktraces in BSD. no answers yet, just getting data.
220 2011-12-30 08:39:39 <BlueMatt> true, also tcatm why arent you compressing them?
221 2011-12-30 08:39:56 <BlueMatt> .tar.xz or something would be nice
222 2011-12-30 08:41:18 <vsrinivas> i believe gmaxwell suggested oprofile, i've no experience with it, but it looks like a good tool for this.
223 2011-12-30 08:41:31 <BlueMatt> I just wondered
224 2011-12-30 08:41:44 <BlueMatt> (not enough to profile myself)
225 2011-12-30 08:41:46 <vsrinivas> heh
226 2011-12-30 08:43:37 * BlueMatt is working on some major refactoring and has ismine checks in another thread atm, just wondering what kind of perf advantage that was giving me
227 2011-12-30 08:44:05 <CIA-100> DiabloMiner: Patrick McFarland master * r861e333 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Moved two adds to host code, very slight speed increase - http://git.io/ensOCQ https://github.com/Diablo-D3/DiabloMiner/commit/861e33363dbc81343b3d8f766616711de31dafee
228 2011-12-30 08:45:15 <vsrinivas> hmm. my perception (no data) was that bitcoind got the chain up to date from the same point on openbsd (n:1 thread library) than on other systems i tried... but so much at play, all 1cpu, etc... and that was 0.3.23.
229 2011-12-30 08:45:31 <vsrinivas> *more quickly ... than.
230 2011-12-30 08:45:56 <vsrinivas> anyway -- really worth moving ismine to another thread?
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232 2011-12-30 08:47:02 <BlueMatt> I dont know, thats why I was asking, but the moving to another thread isnt because I think its worth it, but because of the way the refactor is being structured...
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238 2011-12-30 09:01:02 <BlueMattBot> Yippie, build fixed!
239 2011-12-30 09:01:03 <BlueMattBot> Project Bitcoin build #159: FIXED in 36 min: http://jenkins.bluematt.me/job/Bitcoin/159/
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259 2011-12-30 10:10:29 <BlueMattBot> Project Bitcoind-Sanitytest build #134: ABORTED in 1 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.bluematt.me/job/Bitcoind-Sanitytest/134/
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262 2011-12-30 10:18:56 <genjix> who makes the bitcoin mac builds?
263 2011-12-30 10:19:50 <BlueMatt> gavin
264 2011-12-30 10:20:06 <BlueMatt> (used to be solaris)
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266 2011-12-30 10:20:17 <BlueMatt> solaris aka a couple things
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270 2011-12-30 10:31:45 <tcatm> BlueMatt: compressing took too much cpu time so I disabled it
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273 2011-12-30 10:37:27 <BlueMatt> tcatm: awww
274 2011-12-30 10:37:46 <BlueMatt> tcatm: though now downloads take forever...
275 2011-12-30 10:38:12 <edcba> ;;bc,mtgox
276 2011-12-30 10:38:13 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":4.26742,"low":4.06334,"avg":4.166349483,"vwap":4.161440606,"vol":38379,"last_all":4.15,"last_local":4.15,"last":4.15,"buy":4.14963,"sell":4.14981}}
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295 2011-12-30 10:50:59 <cjdelisle> force re-nick when the nick is set enforcing and he gets disconnected, reconnected and doesn't auth with nickserv
296 2011-12-30 10:51:18 <cjdelisle> you have like 30 seconds to auth or you're force renicked
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374 2011-12-30 12:24:23 <genjix> wumpus: this link is down https://download.visucore.com/realcoin/qtgui_deps_1.zip
375 2011-12-30 12:25:04 <genjix> ERROR: certificate common name `www.caltha-spiritueel.nl' doesn't match requested host name `download.visucore.com'.
376 2011-12-30 12:27:01 <wumpus> maybe your browser doesn't support SAN (server alternative name) in TLS certificates
377 2011-12-30 12:27:43 <wumpus> also I'm pretty sure I don't have a "realcoin" directory on that server :-)
378 2011-12-30 12:27:50 <genjix> ohh
379 2011-12-30 12:28:09 <wumpus> should be bitcoin
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381 2011-12-30 12:28:50 <genjix> ok that works ^^
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383 2011-12-30 12:29:34 <wumpus> someone did a naive search/replace 
384 2011-12-30 12:30:01 <genjix> yeah that was me
385 2011-12-30 12:30:24 <edcba> SAN is shit imo
386 2011-12-30 12:30:41 <edcba> leaking host name of https connection is counter intuitive
387 2011-12-30 12:31:07 <wumpus> maybe it is, but buying shitloads of IP is shit too
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389 2011-12-30 12:31:43 <edcba> but it could have been handled another way
390 2011-12-30 12:31:56 <wumpus> then there is SNI, which is better, but it's even less supported :/
391 2011-12-30 12:32:04 <genjix> how come UPNP isn't bundled with the deps and some of the boost headers are missing?
392 2011-12-30 12:32:21 <genjix> last time i had to compile upnp myself and copy over matching boost headers
393 2011-12-30 12:32:29 <genjix> (just curious)
394 2011-12-30 12:32:55 <wumpus> well main problem is that firefox on xp doesn't support it
395 2011-12-30 12:33:35 <wumpus> genjix: re: upnp, I just wanted the minimal deps that could be used to build that version of bitcoin
396 2011-12-30 12:33:43 <genjix> ok
397 2011-12-30 12:33:46 <wumpus> same with boost, maybe we use more of boost now
398 2011-12-30 12:34:10 <wumpus> that deps archive was a quick hack so people could test bitcoin-qt
399 2011-12-30 12:34:18 <wumpus> we don't use it ourselves
400 2011-12-30 12:34:24 <genjix> ok, well it works for the most part :)
401 2011-12-30 12:35:40 <wumpus> I should probably assemble a new one some day, when I have some interest in windows again :-)
402 2011-12-30 12:36:27 <genjix> one thing is that empty space on the overview tab is really ugly
403 2011-12-30 12:36:46 <genjix> i was thinking maybe you could put getinfo information there.
404 2011-12-30 12:36:53 <genjix> one useful stat is number of connections.
405 2011-12-30 12:36:55 <wumpus> well, having empty space is not ugly, it's just the the stuff should be better distributed
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407 2011-12-30 12:37:32 <genjix> put a section called
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409 2011-12-30 12:37:36 <genjix> Advanced statistics
410 2011-12-30 12:37:43 <genjix> * number of connections
411 2011-12-30 12:37:55 <wumpus> and I don't really want to fill it with numbers or make it like a pilot's dashboard
412 2011-12-30 12:38:01 <genjix> * difficulty
413 2011-12-30 12:38:05 <genjix> ok
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415 2011-12-30 12:38:18 <genjix> but empty space doesnt look good.
416 2011-12-30 12:38:32 <genjix> however everything else is really nice.
417 2011-12-30 12:38:33 <wumpus> though I agree advanced statistics would be useful somewhere, it's not something you want to put in new user's faces
418 2011-12-30 12:38:37 <genjix> i like the tab bar.
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420 2011-12-30 12:39:35 <wumpus> I agree it's not optimal like this... but adding more information to fill it up is a suboptimal solution as well imo
421 2011-12-30 12:39:54 <genjix> ok that's not a bad argument
422 2011-12-30 12:39:59 <wumpus> the main aim is financial
423 2011-12-30 12:40:32 <wumpus> but yeah maybe number of connections is "simple enough" to understand we can add it :-)
424 2011-12-30 12:41:07 <wumpus> but some opaque number like difficulty... I dunno
425 2011-12-30 12:42:16 <wumpus> it would be interesting to show wether there are any incoming connections (like some bittorrent programs do)
426 2011-12-30 12:42:24 <wumpus> to see if UPNP/port forwarding is working
427 2011-12-30 12:42:28 <genjix> yeah
428 2011-12-30 12:42:48 <genjix> People that are connected to you: X
429 2011-12-30 12:43:01 <wumpus> yeah
430 2011-12-30 12:43:02 <genjix> People you are connected to: Y
431 2011-12-30 12:43:18 <genjix> embolden you
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490 2011-12-30 14:03:35 <CIA-100> DiabloMiner: Patrick McFarland master * r4d2ac69 / src/main/java/com/diablominer/DiabloMiner/DiabloMiner.java : Added return to primary pool every 100 minutes, and donation arg, -b - http://git.io/puOuYQ https://github.com/Diablo-D3/DiabloMiner/commit/4d2ac6928fbc2498be03dd10d17c3487e78595d2
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502 2011-12-30 14:52:17 <sipa> seed.bitcoin.sipa.be got around 100 DNS requests the past 24h
503 2011-12-30 14:52:30 <Diablo-D3> sipa: heh
504 2011-12-30 14:52:31 <sipa> nice way of tracking how many people run 0.5.99 :)
505 2011-12-30 14:52:45 <Diablo-D3> I wish I knew a way of tracking how many people run diablominer
506 2011-12-30 14:52:57 <sipa> have it phone home :)
507 2011-12-30 14:53:08 <Diablo-D3> uh, nothx
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511 2011-12-30 14:53:28 <sipa> you can disguise it under a "checking for updates..." or something :D
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513 2011-12-30 14:56:11 <Diablo-D3> heh
514 2011-12-30 14:56:13 <Diablo-D3> sipa: I dunno
515 2011-12-30 14:56:17 <Diablo-D3> if like no one runs it anymore
516 2011-12-30 14:56:21 <Diablo-D3> Im not going to work on it anymore
517 2011-12-30 14:57:16 <Diablo-D3> it doesnt matter if my miner is the fastest or the fullest featured
518 2011-12-30 14:57:31 <Diablo-D3> it only matters if its "trendy" or "hip"
519 2011-12-30 14:57:52 <sipa> call it iMiner
520 2011-12-30 14:58:00 <Diablo-D3> =|
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523 2011-12-30 14:59:17 <wutzebaer1> Can anybody tell me why the open cl miner shows shares when solo mining? does he take a dummy target to show that he's working?
524 2011-12-30 14:59:41 <Diablo-D3> wutzebaer1: which miner?
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526 2011-12-30 15:05:01 <wutzebaer1> i use guiminer, "Standard Open CL miner"
527 2011-12-30 15:05:38 <Diablo-D3> thats poclbm
528 2011-12-30 15:05:41 <Diablo-D3> not sure what poclbm does anymore
529 2011-12-30 15:05:52 <Diablo-D3> it might just be showing diff 1 responses
530 2011-12-30 15:06:07 <vsrinivas> many miners just track diff=1 submissions as 'shares'
531 2011-12-30 15:06:48 <wutzebaer1> so its just a dummy target?
532 2011-12-30 15:10:50 <makomk> IIRC, poclbm does count difficulty-1 results as shares and use them to estimate the effective hash rate, yeah.
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536 2011-12-30 15:33:22 <CIA-100> libbitcoin: genjix * r5c0052398c9d /src/blockchain/bdb/bdb_common.cpp: bdb_blockchain: finished block validation + organisation. connect inputs working for orphan chain lookups. http://tinyurl.com/ca5k9ck
537 2011-12-30 15:33:23 <CIA-100> libbitcoin: genjix * rd3390f22a6bd /src/blockchain/bdb/ (bdb_blockchain.cpp txn_guard.cpp): Performance settings for bdb. http://tinyurl.com/dye83vz
538 2011-12-30 15:33:24 <CIA-100> libbitcoin: genjix * r230efd3ef6ee / (include/bitcoin/script.hpp src/script.cpp): OP_DROP OP_SHA256 OP_EQUAL for tx 4f1433d6433d3ce8a877519ba9ddc310dbee96dba939aca0dbef0176a3563436 in block 157785 http://tinyurl.com/d9q3nex
539 2011-12-30 15:33:25 <CIA-100> libbitcoin: genjix * r67a8395830f8 / (11 files in 3 dirs): bdb_blockchain: Maintain a database tracking spends. http://tinyurl.com/clf9t5t
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610 2011-12-30 18:55:28 <philominer> hey guy first time miner here
611 2011-12-30 18:55:41 <philominer> i cannot find the minning software... can someone give me a link ?
612 2011-12-30 18:56:49 <pirateat40> Google cgminer
613 2011-12-30 18:57:23 <philominer> thanks is that the for normal cpu or for gpu?
614 2011-12-30 18:57:47 <luke-jr> philominer: you can't realistically mine on a CPU
615 2011-12-30 18:58:05 <luke-jr> only high end Radeons, FPGAs, and ASICs
616 2011-12-30 18:58:16 <pirateat40> he is mining on cpu?
617 2011-12-30 18:58:34 <luke-jr> that was implied by his "normal cpu" comment
618 2011-12-30 18:58:46 <luke-jr> the only 'normal' in mining is Radeon GPUs
619 2011-12-30 18:58:48 <pirateat40> oh
620 2011-12-30 18:59:37 <philominer> i really new
621 2011-12-30 18:59:47 <philominer> just glanning for information
622 2011-12-30 18:59:56 <philominer> people are really using fgpas?
623 2011-12-30 19:00:25 <philominer> they did reimplement the software in hardware?
624 2011-12-30 19:01:11 <luke-jr> mining isn't really complicated
625 2011-12-30 19:01:14 <luke-jr> it's just SHA256
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628 2011-12-30 19:03:55 <[Tycho]> philominer: yes, there are different FPGA products available.
629 2011-12-30 19:04:20 <[Tycho]> But it's not really "hardware implementation", it's just HDL :)
630 2011-12-30 19:06:07 <philominer> interresting
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681 2011-12-30 20:29:15 <CIA-100> bips: genjix master * r0a1fef7 / bip-0015.md : No progress on BIP 0015. Draft moved to Deferred. - http://git.io/Pa1Qnw https://github.com/genjix/bips/commit/0a1fef7e8fc7f963a527a8751409ad0024772fd7
682 2011-12-30 20:29:16 <CIA-100> bips: genjix master * rdae6d06 / bip-0010.md : Merge branch 'master' of https://github.com/genjix/bips - http://git.io/5cICuw https://github.com/genjix/bips/commit/dae6d06ae0d6efb5da844079a722d8c4629808e3
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697 2011-12-30 21:33:25 <CIA-100> libbitcoin: genjix * r8a43e0dfc1f4 / (3 files in 3 dirs): async resolve for domain names + iterate/connect all entries (not only try 1st) http://tinyurl.com/7y2yr99
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732 2011-12-30 23:02:03 <Nachtwind> not sure if this is the right support channel atm... but i will try. Got a problem.. a few minutes ago my bitcoind crashed on my linux vps and tells me "hda1: write failed, group block limit reached." when i restart... plus that i have to run dbrecovery.. uhh.. i dont have quotas and about 30GB space free on my harddisk.. anyone got an idea?
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737 2011-12-30 23:12:02 <Nachtwind> problem solved
738 2011-12-30 23:12:07 <Nachtwind> idiot outside type of bug
739 2011-12-30 23:12:13 <sipa> what was it?
740 2011-12-30 23:12:16 <Nachtwind> group had a quota.... user didnt
741 2011-12-30 23:12:29 <Nachtwind> and "quota" of course didnt show it on first sight
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