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12 2012-01-11 00:14:24 <CIA-100> bitcoin: ckolivas * r68c807d7553f cgminer/README: Typo in readme. http://tinyurl.com/75yt6xk
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14 2012-01-11 00:18:21 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: whats the status of 0.5.2?
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17 2012-01-11 00:20:22 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: waiting on Gavin to make a Mac build then upload
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19 2012-01-11 00:24:19 <CIA-100> bitcoin: ckolivas * rd356f44d5389 cgminer/ (sha256_sse2_i386.c x86_32/sha256_xmm.asm): Micro-optimisation in sha256_sse2 code courtesy of Guido Ascioti guido.ascioti@gmail.com http://tinyurl.com/6vr9qej
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35 2012-01-11 00:54:38 <CIA-100> bitcoin: Pieter Wuille 0.4.x * r880c47863587 bitcoind-stable/src/wallet.h: Remove unused definition http://tinyurl.com/89lx5fa
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42 2012-01-11 01:08:37 <denisx> what are the news for 0.5.2?
43 2012-01-11 01:09:02 <luke-jr> denisx: waiting on Gavin
44 2012-01-11 01:09:06 <luke-jr> for a Mac build
45 2012-01-11 01:09:15 <denisx> luke-jr: no, I meant the changes
46 2012-01-11 01:09:18 <luke-jr> also, I think he's the only one with access to upload it to SF
47 2012-01-11 01:09:20 <luke-jr> oh
48 2012-01-11 01:09:32 <luke-jr> [list][li]Check all transactions in blocks after the last checkpoint (0.5.0 and 0.5.1 skipped checking ECDSA signatures during initial blockchain download).[/li][li]Cease locking memory used by non-sensitive information (this caused a huge performance hit on some platforms, especially noticable during initial blockchain download).[/li][li]Fixed some address-handling deadlocks (client freezes).[/li][li]No longer accept inbound
49 2012-01-11 01:09:34 <luke-jr> connections over the internet when Bitcoin is being used with Tor (identity leak).[/li][li]Re-enable SSL support for the JSON-RPC interface (it was unintentionally disabled for the 0.5.0 and 0.5.1 release Linux binaries).[/li][li]Use the correct base transaction fee of 0.0005 BTC for accepting transactions into mined blocks (since 0.4.0, it was incorrectly accepting 0.0001 BTC which was only meant to be relayed).[/li][li]Don't show
50 2012-01-11 01:09:35 <luke-jr> "IP" for transactions which are not necessarily IP transactions.[/li][li]Add new DNS seeds (maintained by Pieter Wuille and Luke Dashjr).[/li][/list]
51 2012-01-11 01:09:37 <luke-jr> <.<
52 2012-01-11 01:09:48 <sipa> denisx: 0.5.x is just bugfixes; we're working on 0.6 in the mean time
53 2012-01-11 01:09:55 <denisx> ah, ok
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57 2012-01-11 01:18:26 <sytse> luke-jr: so, you're waiting on gavins go signal to tag the repo? Which revision is probably going to be v0.5.2?
58 2012-01-11 01:18:37 <luke-jr> sytse: no, it's tagged.
59 2012-01-11 01:18:50 <luke-jr> commit 7de7913abdbaa30f0ef6ad1b63508d3a8441d08f
60 2012-01-11 01:18:56 <sytse> not in git://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.git
61 2012-01-11 01:19:03 <luke-jr> yeah, that's the development repo
62 2012-01-11 01:19:08 <luke-jr> gotta pull from the stable repo
63 2012-01-11 01:19:16 <sytse> what's the stable repo?
64 2012-01-11 01:19:28 <luke-jr> https://gitorious.org/bitcoin/bitcoind-stable/
65 2012-01-11 01:19:32 <luke-jr> git://gitorious.org/+bitcoin-stable-developers/bitcoin/bitcoind-stable.git
66 2012-01-11 01:19:53 <sytse> ah, thx
67 2012-01-11 01:19:55 <luke-jr> be sure to pull with --tags if you want those
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70 2012-01-11 01:29:37 <sytse> no cryptographically signed tag? Not good, luke-jr :P
71 2012-01-11 01:29:54 <luke-jr> sytse: meh, does it really matter?
72 2012-01-11 01:30:00 <luke-jr> I guess I can sign the next one
73 2012-01-11 01:30:15 <luke-jr> but I mean, people are going to be auditing the code anywayâ¦
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75 2012-01-11 01:31:09 <sytse> people auditing the code doesn't matter if you have no cryptographic proof they're talking about the same code ;-)
76 2012-01-11 01:31:20 <sipa> git provides that proof
77 2012-01-11 01:31:47 <sipa> as commit ids are cryptographic hashes of the tree history
78 2012-01-11 01:31:51 <sytse> sure, but in that case, you'd need to say Main: http://bitcoin.org/ | Wiki: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/ | Latest version: 0.5.1 *OLD VERSIONS HARM THE NETWORK AND YOUR SECURITY* | Bitcoin Development - We're here to help develop the Bitcoin system. All related discussions are welcome. | If you have a question, si
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81 2012-01-11 01:32:01 <sytse> uh
82 2012-01-11 01:32:02 <sytse> instead of v0.5.2
83 2012-01-11 01:32:05 <sytse> 7de7913abdbaa30f0ef6ad1b63508d3a8441d08f
84 2012-01-11 01:32:09 <sytse> because 'v0.5.2' means nothing
85 2012-01-11 01:32:13 <sipa> true
86 2012-01-11 01:32:15 <phantomcircuit> sipa, hello
87 2012-01-11 01:32:36 <sipa> hi, phantomcircuit
88 2012-01-11 01:33:57 <luke-jr> sytse: so I really need to re-tag this one for you? :p
89 2012-01-11 01:36:07 <phantomcircuit> sipa, do you know the reasoning behind using seed nodes for all tor clients?
90 2012-01-11 01:36:21 <sipa> hmm?
91 2012-01-11 01:36:34 <phantomcircuit> if (mapAddresses.empty() && (GetTime() - nStart > 60 || fTor) && !fTestNet)
92 2012-01-11 01:36:41 <phantomcircuit> net.cpp:1264
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94 2012-01-11 01:36:58 <sipa> i guess because they can't use dnsseeds?
95 2012-01-11 01:37:13 <phantomcircuit> ok
96 2012-01-11 01:37:20 <phantomcircuit> i'll add support for the tor dns resolver
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98 2012-01-11 01:37:23 <phantomcircuit> so that they can
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100 2012-01-11 01:45:00 <CIA-100> bitcoinjs/bitcoinjs-lib: Stefan Thomas master * r1a7fc9d / (13 files in 2 dirs): Fixed indents. - http://git.io/I_C19w https://github.com/bitcoinjs/bitcoinjs-lib/commit/1a7fc9d063f864058809d06ef4542af40be3558f
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105 2012-01-11 01:49:33 <sytse> luke-jr: not for me, I was just teasing you :P
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109 2012-01-11 01:56:33 <sytse> so, now I'm running the official 0.5.2 version.. too bad it still says it's '0.5.2-beta'
110 2012-01-11 01:57:23 <phantomcircuit> :)
111 2012-01-11 01:58:03 <sipa> sytse: all versions below 1.0 will be beta
112 2012-01-11 01:58:43 <sytse> oh ok
113 2012-01-11 01:59:05 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: ptmhd opened issue 754 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/754>
114 2012-01-11 01:59:15 <sytse> so a release is indistinguishable from an rc in terms of version number
115 2012-01-11 01:59:55 <sipa> well, if the release candidate is good, it becomes the release :)
116 2012-01-11 02:00:14 <sytse> whoops.
117 2012-01-11 02:00:15 <luke-jr> sytse: yes, RCs become final by renaming them ;)
118 2012-01-11 02:00:21 <sytse> that new issue sounds like a fail
119 2012-01-11 02:00:36 <luke-jr> sytse: nah, it's known
120 2012-01-11 02:00:54 <sytse> bit silly
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122 2012-01-11 02:01:14 <sytse> although then again, we don't have a trusted timestamp in blocks do we?
123 2012-01-11 02:01:23 <luke-jr> sytse: the problem is, the inverse is a bug for those running the client when the txn is sent
124 2012-01-11 02:02:52 <sytse> hm?
125 2012-01-11 02:03:08 <sytse> just taking the timestamp of the block wouldn't cause too much trouble right?
126 2012-01-11 02:03:15 <phantomcircuit> so
127 2012-01-11 02:03:15 <luke-jr> yes, it did
128 2012-01-11 02:03:20 <sytse> hmm
129 2012-01-11 02:03:20 <phantomcircuit> can i use apache license code?
130 2012-01-11 02:03:23 <luke-jr> issue 754 was caused by a bugfix
131 2012-01-11 02:03:34 <sytse> ah.. where have I seen that before
132 2012-01-11 02:03:36 <sytse> oh wait
133 2012-01-11 02:03:37 <sytse> yesterday
134 2012-01-11 02:03:39 <sytse> at work >:-)
135 2012-01-11 02:04:17 <sytse> (bug caused by a 'bugfix' by just removing the code that crashes..)
136 2012-01-11 02:04:19 <phantomcircuit> anybody?
137 2012-01-11 02:04:32 <sipa> phantomcircuit: for?
138 2012-01-11 02:04:42 <phantomcircuit> base32 encoding
139 2012-01-11 02:04:56 <sytse> to put in the main bitcoin source tree?
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141 2012-01-11 02:05:15 <phantomcircuit> i'll use it for now and we can substitute something else later
142 2012-01-11 02:05:18 <sipa> not sure how compatible it is with MIT; but that doesn't sound too hard to reimplement if necessary
143 2012-01-11 02:05:28 <sipa> we already have self-written base64 code
144 2012-01-11 02:05:54 <sytse> why would you want base32 anyway..
145 2012-01-11 02:05:56 <luke-jr> Apache license might be a problem
146 2012-01-11 02:06:14 <sytse> for making it easier to write down hashes?
147 2012-01-11 02:06:27 <sipa> sytse: onion addresses
148 2012-01-11 02:06:29 <phantomcircuit> sytse, tor .onion addresses
149 2012-01-11 02:06:33 <sytse> ah
150 2012-01-11 02:06:42 <sytse> that makes sense
151 2012-01-11 02:06:56 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: if it's that extreme, please wrap Tor code in #ifdef USE_TOR
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153 2012-01-11 02:07:17 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, we'd just need to implement it ourselves
154 2012-01-11 02:07:20 <phantomcircuit> it's fairly simple
155 2012-01-11 02:07:23 <phantomcircuit> im just being lazy
156 2012-01-11 02:07:32 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: I don't want the dead code
157 2012-01-11 02:07:54 <sipa> phantomcircuit: so, basically you're changing the Lookup function to a) if it's an onion address, return the onioncat-wrapped-ipv6 address, and otherwise, if tor is in use, send it to tor for lookup?
158 2012-01-11 02:08:16 <phantomcircuit> im going to do two things
159 2012-01-11 02:08:20 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: are you parsing or printing?
160 2012-01-11 02:08:39 <phantomcircuit> easiest is to listen on 127.0.0.1 when using tor so you can have hidden service connections forwarded
161 2012-01-11 02:09:12 <sipa> phantomcircuit: you'll also need to make sure that IsRoutable() allows those addresses
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163 2012-01-11 02:09:26 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: are you parsing or printing?
164 2012-01-11 02:09:38 <phantomcircuit> just parsing to encode as ipv6
165 2012-01-11 02:09:50 <phantomcircuit> second is to set addrLocalHost to the ipv6 encoded hidden service address
166 2012-01-11 02:09:53 <phantomcircuit> sipa, yeah i figured
167 2012-01-11 02:09:58 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: C then
168 2012-01-11 02:10:07 <luke-jr> since C89
169 2012-01-11 02:10:16 <luke-jr> long int strtol(const char *nptr, char âendptr, int base);
170 2012-01-11 02:10:22 <phantomcircuit> i have no idea what you're talking about
171 2012-01-11 02:10:27 <luke-jr> man strtol
172 2012-01-11 02:10:30 <luke-jr> it's standard C
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174 2012-01-11 02:10:36 <luke-jr> it can parse base 32
175 2012-01-11 02:10:58 <sipa> luke-jr: base32 is a bit more complex than just what that function does
176 2012-01-11 02:11:08 <luke-jr> sipa: Tor uses a non-standard base32?
177 2012-01-11 02:11:25 <denisx> base32 does not use I and O
178 2012-01-11 02:11:39 <phantomcircuit> https://code.google.com/p/google-authenticator/source/browse/libpam/base32.c
179 2012-01-11 02:11:39 <denisx> no, it does not use 0 and 1
180 2012-01-11 02:11:40 <luke-jr> lame
181 2012-01-11 02:11:43 <sipa> no, but RFC4648 base32 is not just 0123456789+alpha
182 2012-01-11 02:11:49 <phantomcircuit> 018
183 2012-01-11 02:12:03 <sytse> base32 sounds ridiculously easy to implement, even compared to base64
184 2012-01-11 02:12:05 <phantomcircuit> im going to use that for now
185 2012-01-11 02:12:39 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: please don't :P
186 2012-01-11 02:12:53 <luke-jr> or whatever, we can just swap it before merge
187 2012-01-11 02:12:54 <phantomcircuit> it's easy to replace
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189 2012-01-11 02:13:26 <luke-jr> can't ParseHex be made to work with any base easily?
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191 2012-01-11 02:22:00 <phantomcircuit> if (fUseProxy || mapArgs.count("-connect") || fNoListen)
192 2012-01-11 02:22:12 <phantomcircuit> if you supply -connect addrLocalHost is set to 0.0.0.0 ?
193 2012-01-11 02:22:17 <phantomcircuit> that doesn't make sense
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196 2012-01-11 02:24:25 <forrestv> phantomcircuit, if you're only making one outgoing connection, the local address is irrelevant
197 2012-01-11 02:24:41 <forrestv> so no point in divulging it... you might be trying to tunnel it or something?
198 2012-01-11 02:24:48 <phantomcircuit> except that doesn't set fNoListen
199 2012-01-11 02:24:56 <phantomcircuit> so you're still listening
200 2012-01-11 02:25:11 <forrestv> ah, i assumed -connect did
201 2012-01-11 02:26:31 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: -connect is supposed to be "just connect one place and be done"
202 2012-01-11 02:26:38 <luke-jr> advertising your IP solicits more connections
203 2012-01-11 02:26:48 <luke-jr> you MIGHT still want to listen for people who know your IP anyway
204 2012-01-11 02:26:56 <phantomcircuit> hmm i guess
205 2012-01-11 02:27:11 <phantomcircuit> seems like a lot of these should be their own tunables
206 2012-01-11 02:29:32 <luke-jr> in this case, it makes sense IMO
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213 2012-01-11 02:53:55 <phantomcircuit> sytse, was that an offer to implement? :)
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215 2012-01-11 02:56:01 <phantomcircuit> where are the obj/nogui/*.P files from?
216 2012-01-11 02:56:50 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: make
217 2012-01-11 02:57:04 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: ParseHex could easily be made general
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223 2012-01-11 03:05:01 <afmatt> Hey ya'll - trying to setup a linux miner for the first time after a miserable failure at it last night. Getting the following error when trying to mine deepbit - " JSON-RPC call failed: { "code": -1, "message": "Deepbit.lib.InfoException: wrong login or password:" The username and PW for the worker are correct, any idea why it could be throwing this error? Command I'm running is "./minerd --threads $cpus --algo sse2_64 --u
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225 2012-01-11 03:05:23 <luke-jr> afmatt: don't mine deepbit :P
226 2012-01-11 03:05:39 <luke-jr> also, minerdâ?
227 2012-01-11 03:05:56 <afmatt> Deepbit having issues?
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229 2012-01-11 03:06:07 <luke-jr> afmatt: DeepBit is too big
230 2012-01-11 03:06:14 <luke-jr> afmatt: #Eligius
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234 2012-01-11 03:07:27 <doublec> afmatt: luke-jr neglects to mention he runs eligius
235 2012-01-11 03:07:36 <doublec> afmatt: and may be biased :)
236 2012-01-11 03:07:39 <luke-jr> doublec: everyone knows that :P
237 2012-01-11 03:08:13 <afmatt> Haha - I didn't but hey, I'm not opposed to running a different pool, understand the "too big" argument and actually agree w/ it
238 2012-01-11 03:08:34 * luke-jr is half expecting afmatt to be a non-miner anyhow :P
239 2012-01-11 03:09:04 <afmatt> haha
240 2012-01-11 03:09:21 <CIA-100> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr maintree * r620baabfe8ac gentoo/net-p2p/ (11 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'master' into maintree http://tinyurl.com/74zgkr8
241 2012-01-11 03:09:29 <luke-jr> you sound liek you're trying to CPU mine ;)
242 2012-01-11 03:09:43 <doublec> luke-jr: wouldn't you like a few thousand cpu miners in your pool?
243 2012-01-11 03:09:52 <luke-jr> doublec: honestly, not really -.-
244 2012-01-11 03:09:56 <doublec> hehe
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246 2012-01-11 03:11:53 <denisx> I have a botnet with thousands of cpu miners in my pool
247 2012-01-11 03:12:14 <denisx> that motivated me to speed up my pool
248 2012-01-11 03:12:27 <denisx> and I did! ;)
249 2012-01-11 03:12:46 <phantomcircuit> init.cpp:AppInit is still being used right?
250 2012-01-11 03:13:42 <phantomcircuit> nvm
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254 2012-01-11 03:25:14 <yurtiskrol> wttup homiez
255 2012-01-11 03:25:53 <sytse> phantomcircuit: maybe later :P
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259 2012-01-11 03:32:29 <phantomcircuit> bleh there is an incompatibility between this base32 and the onion cat base32
260 2012-01-11 03:32:53 <phantomcircuit> 88B6D779741BF8ECBCF6 vs 000000A8B6D779741BF8ECBCF6
261 2012-01-11 03:32:56 <phantomcircuit> so close
262 2012-01-11 03:33:32 <phantomcircuit> 10001000 10101000
263 2012-01-11 03:33:55 <luke-jr> lol
264 2012-01-11 03:34:38 <phantomcircuit> that's for rc3no6ludp4ozphw.onion btw
265 2012-01-11 03:36:00 <yurtiskrol> what is it? cp?
266 2012-01-11 03:36:35 <phantomcircuit> it will be a bitcoin node
267 2012-01-11 03:37:10 <yurtiskrol> cool
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270 2012-01-11 03:37:49 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: does Tor support anycast?
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272 2012-01-11 03:38:04 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, no
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274 2012-01-11 03:38:21 <phantomcircuit> well
275 2012-01-11 03:38:24 <phantomcircuit> yes and no
276 2012-01-11 03:38:29 <phantomcircuit> the default client does not
277 2012-01-11 03:38:39 <phantomcircuit> but you could add support for it if you wanted
278 2012-01-11 03:38:52 <lianj> ruby -e 'p "rc3no6ludp4ozphw".to_i(32).to_s(32)' # meh
279 2012-01-11 03:39:02 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: lame
280 2012-01-11 03:39:19 * luke-jr hates ruby
281 2012-01-11 03:39:26 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, out of the box it supports failover for hidden services
282 2012-01-11 03:39:32 <phantomcircuit> but you're talking like an hour to fail over
283 2012-01-11 03:39:35 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: not the same thing
284 2012-01-11 03:39:41 <phantomcircuit> yeah i know
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287 2012-01-11 03:39:56 <luke-jr> anyone should be able to listen to an anycast address
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291 2012-01-11 03:50:01 <lianj> phantomcircuit: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/gBCTELQxAPgWJ3TUsfMl/
292 2012-01-11 03:50:29 <phantomcircuit> lianj, cool now write it in c++
293 2012-01-11 03:50:41 <lianj> no, thats your choice :P
294 2012-01-11 03:51:27 <phantomcircuit> what is that?
295 2012-01-11 03:51:28 <phantomcircuit> go?
296 2012-01-11 03:51:50 <lianj> ruby
297 2012-01-11 03:54:08 <luke-jr> must die
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319 2012-01-11 04:48:01 <afmatt> Anyone wanting to make a few bucks please check out this bitcoin related job on freelancer.com, need some help with setup and willing to pay to not have to deal with it. http://www.freelancer.com/projects/PHP-Javascript/Setup-bitcoin-mining-linux-server.html
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342 2012-01-11 05:32:40 <phantomcircuit> sipa, if you were wondering the onioncat base32 encoding is wrong
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366 2012-01-11 06:24:16 <kiba> gits
367 2012-01-11 06:24:19 <kiba> hey guys
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388 2012-01-11 07:01:21 <phantomcircuit> sipa, uh am i losing my mind or is the 16 byte field the network uses not large enough for ipv6? (128/8 == 25)
389 2012-01-11 07:01:26 <phantomcircuit> ;;seen sipa
390 2012-01-11 07:01:26 <gribble> sipa was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 4 hours, 49 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <sipa> no, but RFC4648 base32 is not just 0123456789+alpha
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398 2012-01-11 07:08:46 <Graet> 8x25==200 check maths phantomcircuit :P
399 2012-01-11 07:08:53 <phantomcircuit> nvm
400 2012-01-11 07:08:57 <phantomcircuit> calculator set to hex
401 2012-01-11 07:09:09 <phantomcircuit> derp
402 2012-01-11 07:09:26 <Graet> hehe, i noticed without calculator :P
403 2012-01-11 07:09:40 <phantomcircuit> i cant do simple maths in my head
404 2012-01-11 07:09:43 <phantomcircuit> no idea why
405 2012-01-11 07:10:01 <cjdelisle> haha I been there
406 2012-01-11 07:10:35 <afmatt> Anyone wanting to make a few bucks please check out this bitcoin related job on freelancer.com, need some help with setup and willing to pay to not have to deal with it. http://www.freelancer.com/projects/PHP-Javascript/Setup-bitcoin-mining-linux-server.html - had a couple offers on chat that may work out but still looking
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411 2012-01-11 07:14:39 <phantomcircuit> afmatt, why would anybody want to do that
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414 2012-01-11 07:15:44 <afmatt> phantomcircuit: because they have access to the boxes already and want to make use of them
415 2012-01-11 07:16:09 <phantomcircuit> amazons gpu boxes are pay per usage
416 2012-01-11 07:16:19 <phantomcircuit> the only way it makes sense to do that is if you're not paying
417 2012-01-11 07:18:19 <Graet> or if u prepaid, have time left but project finished?
418 2012-01-11 07:19:27 <afmatt> I have access to one and possibly many more down the road
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422 2012-01-11 07:26:17 <phantomcircuit> afmatt, lets say you have the cheapest GPU instance possible at $0.494 per hour
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427 2012-01-11 07:27:36 <afmatt> phantomcircuit: Lets say I got the biggest instance GPU for free
428 2012-01-11 07:27:55 <phantomcircuit> there is no way to prepay for time like that
429 2012-01-11 07:28:09 <phantomcircuit> you can prepay for lower hourly rates
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441 2012-01-11 07:38:13 <Diablo-D3> hahahaha
442 2012-01-11 07:38:16 <Diablo-D3> I totally broke something
443 2012-01-11 07:38:32 <Diablo-D3> Im getting 1.3ghash on my 5850
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446 2012-01-11 07:39:32 <Diablo-D3> and its producing valid shares AND not hw erros
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451 2012-01-11 07:43:05 <Diablo-D3> aww I fixed it :<
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461 2012-01-11 07:48:19 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, figure out what you did and you'll be rich
462 2012-01-11 07:48:21 <phantomcircuit> :)
463 2012-01-11 07:48:36 <Diablo-D3> I accidently calculated the same thing multiple times and the compiler squashed it
464 2012-01-11 07:48:42 <Diablo-D3> so instead of four uints, it was 1.
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543 2012-01-11 09:46:55 <CIA-100> bitcoinjs/bitcoinjs-lib: Stefan Thomas master * rde21042 / src/script.js : Fixes for Script.getInType and Script.simpleInPubKey. - http://git.io/AMxW8A https://github.com/bitcoinjs/bitcoinjs-lib/commit/de21042bb75664df49213873a47ddac47f6a2655
544 2012-01-11 09:46:55 <CIA-100> bitcoinjs/bitcoinjs-lib: Stefan Thomas master * r09e8c6e / (8 files): Added comments. - http://git.io/7FqhDQ https://github.com/bitcoinjs/bitcoinjs-lib/commit/09e8c6e184d6501a0c2c59d73ca64db5c0d3eb95
545 2012-01-11 09:46:55 <CIA-100> bitcoinjs/bitcoinjs-lib: Stefan Thomas master * r6e44bdf / (src/base58.js src/opcode.js): Fixed global scope leaks in Base58. - http://git.io/3ku2QQ https://github.com/bitcoinjs/bitcoinjs-lib/commit/6e44bdf22905622136450ce51e742c03c219f440
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618 2012-01-11 11:18:46 <davout> o hai
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620 2012-01-11 11:22:14 <UukGoblin> oh, davout, nice to see you :-)
621 2012-01-11 11:22:21 <davout> :)
622 2012-01-11 11:22:29 <UukGoblin> are you awfully rich yet?
623 2012-01-11 11:22:50 <davout> haha no, i sold most of my coins when they were < 3$
624 2012-01-11 11:23:16 <UukGoblin> :-(
625 2012-01-11 11:23:30 <UukGoblin> I sold a tiny portion when they were $30
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627 2012-01-11 11:23:39 <UukGoblin> should have sold more ;-[
628 2012-01-11 11:23:46 <davout> it's ok, i get to work fulltime on bitcoin now, and thats what a geeks life is all about
629 2012-01-11 11:23:52 <UukGoblin> ah, awesome
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632 2012-01-11 11:24:05 <UukGoblin> I'm considering leaving my current job and doing something more fun
633 2012-01-11 11:24:19 <tcatm> davout: hey. do you still run bitcoincentral?
634 2012-01-11 11:24:21 <UukGoblin> I'm probably going to take a rest from coding though
635 2012-01-11 11:24:54 <davout> tcatm: yea
636 2012-01-11 11:25:08 <davout> all day, every day :D
637 2012-01-11 11:25:43 <davout> UukGoblin: do it, boredom is the only sin for which there is no forgiveness (wilde)
638 2012-01-11 11:26:46 <tcatm> it would be great if you could update the API to match bitcoincharts' new requirements so it can be listed again
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641 2012-01-11 11:31:26 <davout> um, yea i'll have a look
642 2012-01-11 11:31:42 <tcatm> http://bitcoincharts.com/about/exchanges/
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644 2012-01-11 11:31:51 <davout> i'm really really busy with getting an iphone app out the door but i'll definitely do something
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647 2012-01-11 11:32:43 <davout> tcatm: are the attribute names mandatory or can you translate them ?
648 2012-01-11 11:32:50 <tcatm> also if you could email the full trade history for each currencypair in the same format to info@bitcoincharts.com that would be awesome
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651 2012-01-11 11:34:06 <tcatm> they are mandatory now. there are just too many exchanges now so I can't have a different parser for each of them
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661 2012-01-11 11:41:25 <davout> allright i'll whip something up today
662 2012-01-11 11:41:34 <davout> or tomorrow
663 2012-01-11 11:41:41 <davout> in any case should be in 2012
664 2012-01-11 11:41:47 <davout> ugh, why don't days have 72h
665 2012-01-11 11:41:51 <davout> :D
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696 2012-01-11 12:14:46 <the_batman> can someone summarily explain to me how bitcoin will combat economic issues?
697 2012-01-11 12:15:03 <the_batman> I can't make the connection between bitcoin and overthrowing fiat, but I want to
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700 2012-01-11 12:17:07 <MacRohard> basically it gets rid of fractional reserve
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702 2012-01-11 12:18:16 <JFK911> does it
703 2012-01-11 12:18:19 <TD> the_batman: the argument essentially goes like this. a big chunk of the current economic problems, especially in europe, can be traced to the difficulty of controlling the power of whoever owns the mint
704 2012-01-11 12:18:25 <JFK911> i heard mtgox is fractional
705 2012-01-11 12:18:40 <JFK911> they have to be because they destroyed a bunch of coins with a bad transaction
706 2012-01-11 12:18:52 <MacRohard> they make profits
707 2012-01-11 12:19:00 <TD> if you look at what is happening in europe, basically governments have spent more than they take in via taxes for a long time and funded it with bond sales, which have been bought (largely) by banks, using their ability to 'print money'
708 2012-01-11 12:19:09 <JFK911> hm how is it different to Bank of America then
709 2012-01-11 12:19:12 <TD> JFK911: mt gox has a lot of profit. tux said it came out of that
710 2012-01-11 12:19:19 <JFK911> ah
711 2012-01-11 12:19:19 <MacRohard> they can easily eat a 1000btc loss or whatever it was
712 2012-01-11 12:19:48 <MacRohard> basically noone can run a fractional reserve in btc because there is no central bank to bail them out when they fail
713 2012-01-11 12:19:59 <JFK911> who needs to be bailed out
714 2012-01-11 12:20:05 <JFK911> id love to see someone sue over missing bitcoins
715 2012-01-11 12:20:10 <TD> the_batman: so now there are all kinds of gyrations to try and beat the systems that were put in place to beat profligate money-printing. lending money to banks then publically "suggesting" that they immediately relend it to governments, etc
716 2012-01-11 12:20:12 <JFK911> or get in trouble for stealing htem
717 2012-01-11 12:20:28 <JFK911> didnt stop mybitcoin!
718 2012-01-11 12:20:35 <coderrr> MacRohard, anyone can run a fractional reserve btc bank, but no one can print btc
719 2012-01-11 12:20:54 <MacRohard> coderrr, no one can run one honestly.
720 2012-01-11 12:21:03 <TD> the_batman: if you have something like bitcoin it's a much more robust system. there's no "wiggle room". so governments, businesses etc have to spend money that's actually invested, rather than printed
721 2012-01-11 12:21:11 <coderrr> MacRohard, ?, irrelevant
722 2012-01-11 12:21:33 <MacRohard> not really.
723 2012-01-11 12:21:41 <TD> the_batman: so in theory it should reduce the mis-allocation of resources you get in a highly inflationary system that's fuelled by bank credit
724 2012-01-11 12:21:51 <TD> the_batman: in practice, who knows. likely we will never find out.
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730 2012-01-11 12:23:27 <the_batman> c/p into text editor
731 2012-01-11 12:23:29 <the_batman> will read after game
732 2012-01-11 12:23:29 <the_batman> ty
733 2012-01-11 12:23:54 <MacRohard> anyway if you don't keep your btc in a btc bank there's no way for the btc bank to defraud you
734 2012-01-11 12:24:19 <MacRohard> and since there's no central bank to bail them out, it isn't your problem when they inevitably fail and take all their customers down with them
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756 2012-01-11 12:47:10 <the_batman> MacRohard, TD, coder, JFK911: what's the end-of-the-day problem of this fractional system? resources are misallocated? how so?
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759 2012-01-11 12:47:43 <TD> consider a simple problem that it's important for society to solve convincingly - how do people save for when they are old and retired (pensions)
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761 2012-01-11 12:47:57 <the_batman> communism
762 2012-01-11 12:48:01 <the_batman> I mean, save your earnings?
763 2012-01-11 12:48:12 <TD> well, ensure that after a life time of work, you can live well
764 2012-01-11 12:48:17 <the_batman> save up?
765 2012-01-11 12:48:41 <TD> societies current solution to this has a lot of problems. people pay into pension funds. because all currencies today inflate rapidly, the pension fund cannot simply keep the deposits safe and pay them back out when people get older
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768 2012-01-11 12:49:01 <TD> instead the funds have to find investments that will at least match, preferably beat inflation over the long run
769 2012-01-11 12:49:15 <the_batman> yes
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771 2012-01-11 12:49:31 <TD> this turns out to be very hard. inflation varies a lot. there's no guarantee there are stable, low risk investments that keep pace with inflation at any given time
772 2012-01-11 12:49:41 <TD> it also creates massive pools of wealth that are tempting to raid
773 2012-01-11 12:50:04 <TD> problem (1), pension funds can get into trouble if they calculate risk badly. my parents had a private pension scheme that collapsed.
774 2012-01-11 12:50:12 <the_batman> mm
775 2012-01-11 12:50:31 <the_batman> how does btc solve it?
776 2012-01-11 12:50:34 <TD> problem (2), pension funds often get raided, eg, the UK government is currently planning to "encourage" pension funds to invest in high speed rail links and other projects of questionable return
777 2012-01-11 12:50:42 <the_batman> o.O
778 2012-01-11 12:50:45 <the_batman> sketchy
779 2012-01-11 12:51:28 <TD> the absolutely critical NEED to invest comes from the fact that the currency inflates, and the inflation is compound (speeds up over time). if the currency did not inflate, you could simply save money over your lifespan, and then use those savings when you got older
780 2012-01-11 12:51:50 <TD> it would be a highly predictable form of savings
781 2012-01-11 12:51:51 <coderrr> yea, simply put, to retain your wealth, you have to take risks
782 2012-01-11 12:51:59 <the_batman> hold on now
783 2012-01-11 12:52:01 <TD> indeed. pension funds aren't even enough.
784 2012-01-11 12:52:03 <the_batman> if I wanna retain my personal wealth
785 2012-01-11 12:52:04 <TD> so people invest in houses, etc
786 2012-01-11 12:52:10 <the_batman> can't I just invest in an index fund?
787 2012-01-11 12:52:20 <the_batman> it won't work on a large scale, obviously
788 2012-01-11 12:52:26 <TD> most people are not sophisticated investors. so they tend to follow the herd. hence asset bubbles.
789 2012-01-11 12:52:31 <the_batman> ah
790 2012-01-11 12:52:36 <TD> well you want a solution that works for everyone
791 2012-01-11 12:52:41 <the_batman> (Im not a sophisticatd investor :)
792 2012-01-11 12:52:47 <phantomcircuit> investing in an index fund only works if a few people do it
793 2012-01-11 12:52:56 <phantomcircuit> otherwise you're basically just throwing away money
794 2012-01-11 12:53:02 <TD> consider the perfect solution - people are in control of how much they save for when they are older. it's guaranteed to be there for them, come rain or shine. ideally, their savings keep pace with the general growth in wealth of society
795 2012-01-11 12:53:11 <phantomcircuit> if everybody does it then the companies in the index become flush with cash
796 2012-01-11 12:53:21 <phantomcircuit> and proceed to purchase hookers and blow by the metric ton
797 2012-01-11 12:53:25 <TD> if you have a stable currency, you get that effect. with a fixed quantity of coins in circulation, as the wealth of society grows, each coins becomes worth a little bit more
798 2012-01-11 12:53:45 <TD> this is sometimes labelled "deflation" but that implies the currency shrinks. in fact wealth grows.
799 2012-01-11 12:53:51 <the_batman> I see
800 2012-01-11 12:53:55 <the_batman> what about price level stability?
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803 2012-01-11 12:54:01 <coderrr> so the moral is buy index funds and hook or deal drugs on the side
804 2012-01-11 12:54:01 <the_batman> the obvious problem
805 2012-01-11 12:54:02 <TD> so by the time you reach retirement, your savings can still buy you a decent life, even though you saved the coins decades ago
806 2012-01-11 12:54:15 <the_batman> lol
807 2012-01-11 12:54:20 <the_batman> mm
808 2012-01-11 12:54:51 <TD> in theory with a fixed currency pool and growing wealth, prices should drop slightly over time. this matches your intuition that as society gets smarter, bigger, more productive, things should get cheaper
809 2012-01-11 12:55:15 <TD> what we have today is the exact opposite - society gets smarter, bigger and more productive, yet everything gets more and more expensive over time. you keep up by ensuring your employer keeps giving you pay rises
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812 2012-01-11 12:55:28 <sipa> hello davout
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814 2012-01-11 12:55:46 <sipa> ow, didn't scroll down entirely
815 2012-01-11 12:55:47 <TD> this stops working if the job market changes, or the demand for your skills changes, or anything else happens that causes you to fall behind. hence the technique of imposing "pay freezes" for a few years that of course, after inflation, are really pay cuts.
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818 2012-01-11 12:56:18 <TD> now all this assumes a country adopts bitcoins or something like it for a national currency. in practice the chances of this happening is almost zero.
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821 2012-01-11 12:56:33 <TD> so i tend to not worry about macro-economic arguments around bitcoin. see it as an interesting competitor to paypal instead.
822 2012-01-11 12:57:13 <the_batman> hmm
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825 2012-01-11 12:57:59 <the_batman> so basically
826 2012-01-11 12:58:03 <the_batman> I get this now
827 2012-01-11 12:58:05 <the_batman> basically what youre saying
828 2012-01-11 12:58:31 <the_batman> is that the government abuses its ability to print money by creating money to serve its own interests at the expensive of currency holders?
829 2012-01-11 12:58:40 <TD> it's more complicated than that
830 2012-01-11 12:58:50 <the_batman> expense*
831 2012-01-11 12:59:07 <TD> in a democracy the interests of government and currency holders are somewhat aligned, given that in most countries most currency holders are citizens. the alignement is very far from perfect of course
832 2012-01-11 12:59:11 <the_batman> who else is in cahoots? I presume that's what you mean by more complicated
833 2012-01-11 12:59:24 <TD> and it's not exactly an "abuse". everyone knows this happens. it's just how the present day system works.
834 2012-01-11 12:59:32 <TD> and yes the mechanisms are obfuscated
835 2012-01-11 12:59:36 <TD> governments don't directly print money any more
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837 2012-01-11 12:59:54 <TD> they issue bonds. banks buy the bonds. central banks too, often. both have the ability to create money, under different sets of rules
838 2012-01-11 12:59:55 <the_batman> fucking voernment
839 2012-01-11 13:00:17 <TD> which are constantly shifting, vary by region and are quite difficult to fully understand (some of the mechanisms are recursive and a lot of people have trouble with recursion)
840 2012-01-11 13:00:17 <the_batman> they're hoarding all the money
841 2012-01-11 13:00:24 <the_batman> im angry now
842 2012-01-11 13:00:39 <TD> the intent of these systems is to reduce the power of governments to print money, and those systems were created by ..... governments!
843 2012-01-11 13:00:42 <TD> so don't be too angry
844 2012-01-11 13:00:53 <TD> the people who run governments understand the temptation of owning the mint. that's why we have central banks in the first place.
845 2012-01-11 13:01:07 <the_batman> you dont sound so mad then
846 2012-01-11 13:01:17 <TD> of course "privatizing" the issuance of currency is a rather questionable solution, but before bitcoin was invented there weren't really any better solutions
847 2012-01-11 13:01:27 <TD> there was the gold standard, which was the historical solution
848 2012-01-11 13:01:44 <TD> but it's a pretty bizarre idea, if you think about it. lots of effort is expended to dig gold out of the ground. then it's dumped into another hole in the ground.
849 2012-01-11 13:01:59 <TD> where it acts purely as a limiter. and because gold is so scarce, difficult to divide, etc, you ended up with fractional overcommit
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851 2012-01-11 13:02:07 <TD> and eventual collapse of the gold standard (for good reasons)
852 2012-01-11 13:02:17 <the_batman> lol
853 2012-01-11 13:02:19 <TD> these are difficult problems. the bitcoin solution is the best i've seen, but it'd require radical adjustments in society to adopt
854 2012-01-11 13:02:30 <the_batman> youve wholly convinced me against it
855 2012-01-11 13:02:34 <TD> and of course it's very new
856 2012-01-11 13:03:05 <coderrr> what are TD's January investment tips
857 2012-01-11 13:03:13 <the_batman> buy bitcoins
858 2012-01-11 13:03:46 <the_batman> TD thank you
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862 2012-01-11 13:05:16 <TD> i don't have any investment tips. i don't see many good investment targets right now
863 2012-01-11 13:05:22 <TD> at least not for low risk investors
864 2012-01-11 13:05:33 <coderrr> :[
865 2012-01-11 13:05:40 <TD> this is part of the problem. right now there is a poverty of convincing investments, but everyone needs to invest anyway
866 2012-01-11 13:05:48 <TD> which is why the housing bubble is still alive and kicking in parts of europe
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879 2012-01-11 13:14:29 <CIA-100> bitcoin: p2k * rce7dca9c90f2 ecoinpool/ (12 files in 4 dirs): Share Broker (WiP) and improvements http://tinyurl.com/7ngvw4j
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901 2012-01-11 13:42:43 <davout> sipa: hello !
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984 2012-01-11 15:09:39 <luke-jr> JFK911: no reason to think MtGox is fractional. they've taken some big losses, but they make that much money every weekâ¦
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986 2012-01-11 15:11:40 <JFK911> mtgox killed all bitcoin value
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989 2012-01-11 15:12:46 <luke-jr> JFK911: quite the contrary
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995 2012-01-11 15:17:39 <JFK911> never forget june
996 2012-01-11 15:19:10 <luke-jr> JFK911: never forget that the person responsible is the thief, not MtGox.
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998 2012-01-11 15:20:45 <JFK911> funny. leave your car unlocked, then call the police when items therein are stolen. who will the police blame?
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1000 2012-01-11 15:22:15 <luke-jr> the thief.
1001 2012-01-11 15:22:28 <JFK911> wishful thinking
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1003 2012-01-11 15:22:38 <luke-jr> also, you're ignoring that it was MtGox's old owner that left the car unlocked
1004 2012-01-11 15:22:52 <helo> the insurance company may blame you, but the police won't charge you with the loss of your own posessions, they'll charge the theif if they catch him
1005 2012-01-11 15:22:53 <luke-jr> and that the current MtGox had already hired someone to install locks
1006 2012-01-11 15:22:57 <pierre`> which old owner ?
1007 2012-01-11 15:23:17 <luke-jr> Jed McCaleb
1008 2012-01-11 15:23:19 <JFK911> helo: the police will tell you you should have locked your car. and probably won't even come meet you.
1009 2012-01-11 15:23:29 <luke-jr> JFK911: no they won't.
1010 2012-01-11 15:23:50 <luke-jr> JFK911: I forgot to close the garage door a few years back, and someone stole my wife and I's wallets
1011 2012-01-11 15:24:08 <luke-jr> they didn't blame us at all
1012 2012-01-11 15:24:23 <luke-jr> you have a right to property even if you don't lock it up
1013 2012-01-11 15:24:57 <luke-jr> in fact, you *shouldn't* need to lock it up
1014 2012-01-11 15:25:06 <luke-jr> it's only because of today's atheist society that you do
1015 2012-01-11 15:25:56 <JFK911> jesus didn't save your wallet
1016 2012-01-11 15:25:57 <helo> lol
1017 2012-01-11 15:27:09 <pierre`> luke-jr: when you trade currencies (or digital datas), you have to secure your plateform. if you don't, it's your fault. you can't protect your infrastrcture against all threats but you have to mitigate basic threats (like sqli).
1018 2012-01-11 15:27:10 <helo> it's only because all of these religious nuts making atheism the only rational mindset
1019 2012-01-11 15:27:33 <JFK911> by luke's argument, i could buy a sloppy uranium mine and continue to run it unchanged. then simply blame the previous owner when everyone in town sues me for polluting the land.
1020 2012-01-11 15:28:46 <JFK911> we don't live in utopia, we live with other humans. that means that if you don't take care of your stuff, you get to experience the tragedy of the commons.
1021 2012-01-11 15:32:17 <helo> every crime in a big city is everyone's fault for living in highly populated areas. they could have just moved to a rural area, after all.
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1024 2012-01-11 15:34:02 <diki> Geniuses!!!
1025 2012-01-11 15:34:05 <luke-jr> helo: Catholicism is, and always has been, completely rational
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1027 2012-01-11 15:34:11 <diki> Someone already wrote software to detect VRM temps
1028 2012-01-11 15:34:12 <luke-jr> helo: atheism has never been
1029 2012-01-11 15:34:18 <diki> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=10228.0;all
1030 2012-01-11 15:34:22 <JFK911> rational?
1031 2012-01-11 15:35:26 <JFK911> news flash: child abuse and endless blame are rational
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1033 2012-01-11 15:35:43 <gmaxwell> This is #bitcoin-dev.
1034 2012-01-11 15:36:09 <luke-jr> JFK911: news flash: let's slander the Church for something done by non-Catholic priests
1035 2012-01-11 15:36:16 <gmaxwell> Please take the not-even-vaguely-development-related talk elsewhere.
1036 2012-01-11 15:39:49 <helo> i propose a patch that causes the source code to magically morph into the body and blood of bitcoin, instead of just compiling it
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1042 2012-01-11 15:50:13 <k9quaint> gmaxwell: the evidence is piling up against what you say :(
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1061 2012-01-11 16:13:34 <luke-jr> k9quaint: LOL
1062 2012-01-11 16:13:39 <luke-jr> @ forum post
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1071 2012-01-11 16:34:27 <CIA-100> bitcoin: p2k * r2dad4e4f393d ecoinpool/apps/ (8 files in 4 dirs): Removed unknown SHA256 implementation http://tinyurl.com/7vvdkeg
1072 2012-01-11 16:38:35 <devrandom> TD: good morning / evening
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1075 2012-01-11 16:40:04 <TD> hi
1076 2012-01-11 16:41:02 <devrandom> TD: thanks for the serialization feedback
1077 2012-01-11 16:41:32 <devrandom> TD: re private key format - are we guaranteed interoperability if we just put the raw private key bytes in there?
1078 2012-01-11 16:41:47 <devrandom> (vs ASN.1)
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1083 2012-01-11 16:43:46 <TD> i think so
1084 2012-01-11 16:46:55 <devrandom> TD: I guess ASN.1 encoding is pretty straightforward... it's version, curve, privkey, pubkey
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1087 2012-01-11 16:47:06 <devrandom> TD: curve seems useful
1088 2012-01-11 16:47:27 <TD> it is always the same on bitcoin
1089 2012-01-11 16:51:18 <devrandom> TD: okay, I'll remove the ASN.1 but add a version just in case
1090 2012-01-11 16:51:49 <TD> maybe a type enum?
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1092 2012-01-11 16:51:57 <TD> we're more likely to see 'special' keys in future than different curves
1093 2012-01-11 16:52:01 <TD> for instance threshold shares
1094 2012-01-11 16:52:07 <devrandom> right
1095 2012-01-11 16:52:09 <TD> deterministic keys, etc
1096 2012-01-11 16:54:12 <devrandom> TD: there's no constructor that takes raw bytes...
1097 2012-01-11 16:54:16 <devrandom> I'll create one
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1121 2012-01-11 17:27:11 <finway> Is TD Nefario?
1122 2012-01-11 17:27:15 <TD> no
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1127 2012-01-11 17:28:08 <finway> Your earlier "deflation is good" elaboration was wonderful!
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1130 2012-01-11 17:28:41 <finway> Just want to say that.8
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1142 2012-01-11 17:40:36 <TD> thanks, i guess
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1144 2012-01-11 17:40:43 <TD> finway: thanks
1145 2012-01-11 17:41:14 <finway> So we are going to make a huge split in Feb 15th ? according to https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=56969.0;topicseen
1146 2012-01-11 17:41:33 <finway> last time i heard [Tycho] & luke-jr won't support P2SH?
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1148 2012-01-11 17:44:14 <finway> I think the voting results should be reported to the miners, so miners can choose to support P2SH or not by switching to the righ pools.
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1150 2012-01-11 17:48:39 <Joric> how are you gonna get 50% of users with that http://bitcoinstatus.rowit.co.uk/versions.html
1151 2012-01-11 17:49:42 <helo> looks like i won't :/
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1153 2012-01-11 17:51:19 <Joric> there's a plenty of v510 though didn't notice
1154 2012-01-11 17:51:48 <Joric> what are those v710 v700 v610 ?
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1157 2012-01-11 17:59:26 <CIA-100> bitcoin: p2k * r7fb09418b2e2 ecoinpool/ (12 files in 6 dirs): Removed SolidCoin support due to licensing issues http://tinyurl.com/8yx6swp
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1159 2012-01-11 18:04:52 <finway> And i assume what P2SH is better than OP_EVAL is, P2SH does not cause a chain split ?
1160 2012-01-11 18:05:07 <sipa> neither does
1161 2012-01-11 18:05:17 <finway> And i assume what makes P2SH better than OP_EVAL is, P2SH does not cause a chain split ?
1162 2012-01-11 18:05:28 <sipa> neither does
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1165 2012-01-11 18:06:33 <finway> Gavin said it does ? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=56969.msg685098#msg685098
1166 2012-01-11 18:07:19 <diki> Things are getting better and better
1167 2012-01-11 18:07:28 <makomk> Both are equally able to cause a chain split.
1168 2012-01-11 18:07:29 <diki> pciutils for windows, ok
1169 2012-01-11 18:07:37 <diki> mmap wrapper for windows, ok
1170 2012-01-11 18:07:51 <diki> If I can make this work, grabbing VRM temps will work on windows as well
1171 2012-01-11 18:08:05 <finway> diki:nice
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1173 2012-01-11 18:08:24 <diki> And if conman finds a way to include it in cgminer, even better
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1175 2012-01-11 18:13:51 <diki> I hope I can figure how the equivalent of /dev/mem works in windows
1176 2012-01-11 18:14:19 <Diablo-D3> well
1177 2012-01-11 18:14:21 <Diablo-D3> the short of it is
1178 2012-01-11 18:14:33 <Diablo-D3> you have to be running in safe mode to do that
1179 2012-01-11 18:14:37 <Diablo-D3> not even administrator can do it
1180 2012-01-11 18:14:39 <Diablo-D3> iirc, anyways
1181 2012-01-11 18:14:59 <diki> afaik, googling says I dont
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1183 2012-01-11 18:15:48 <diki> Makes no sense though, cause accessing /dev/mem in linux is easy
1184 2012-01-11 18:15:52 <pierce> is there a file descriptor that just lets you map memory in windows?
1185 2012-01-11 18:16:07 <pierce> diki: well, these days you aren't supposed to be touching /dev/mem :-)
1186 2012-01-11 18:16:16 <Diablo-D3> pierce: mingw has a fake mmap impl
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1188 2012-01-11 18:16:28 <diki> when you need low level hardware access, one has to
1189 2012-01-11 18:17:15 <diki> Diablo-D3:mingw for windows or linux?
1190 2012-01-11 18:17:16 <devrandom> TD: new iteration...
1191 2012-01-11 18:17:36 <diki> because I am looking at a project of some sorts of mmap wrapper for windows
1192 2012-01-11 18:17:48 <Diablo-D3> diki: mingw IS for windows you idiot
1193 2012-01-11 18:17:53 <TD> diki: mmap wrapper?
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1195 2012-01-11 18:17:57 <Diablo-D3> on linux its just a cross comiler
1196 2012-01-11 18:17:58 <TD> devrandom: looking
1197 2012-01-11 18:17:58 <pierce> for low level hardware access, I think you are supposed to be using a kernel module :-)
1198 2012-01-11 18:18:07 <TD> diki: why do you need to wrap mmap?
1199 2012-01-11 18:18:11 <Diablo-D3> pierce: which windows doesnt have
1200 2012-01-11 18:18:15 <Diablo-D3> even drivers are limited
1201 2012-01-11 18:18:26 <Diablo-D3> I mean, its kind of depressing, as for kernels go, NT is pretty well written
1202 2012-01-11 18:18:34 <Diablo-D3> its the win32 userland that fucks it up
1203 2012-01-11 18:18:48 <Diablo-D3> dont believe me? install unix services for windows
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1205 2012-01-11 18:18:59 <diki> there is a program for linux called radeonvolt
1206 2012-01-11 18:19:00 <Diablo-D3> it uses the NT kernel directly and doesnt use ANY win32 shit
1207 2012-01-11 18:19:06 <diki> doesnt seem to need any drivers
1208 2012-01-11 18:19:06 <devrandom> TD: that bitcoinj article is pretty intensive... nice.
1209 2012-01-11 18:19:11 <diki> but we will see
1210 2012-01-11 18:19:16 <Diablo-D3> diki: it uses /dev/mem directly
1211 2012-01-11 18:19:18 <devrandom> if anybody is interested: http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-01-2012/120110-bitcoin-for-beginners-3.html
1212 2012-01-11 18:19:22 <Diablo-D3> on windows, you just use the existing programs
1213 2012-01-11 18:19:26 <Diablo-D3> or libadl
1214 2012-01-11 18:19:37 <diki> adl does not expose vrm temp
1215 2012-01-11 18:19:42 <Diablo-D3> devrandom: does it mention DiabloMiner?
1216 2012-01-11 18:19:46 <Diablo-D3> diki: no, but z-gpu does
1217 2012-01-11 18:19:52 <diki> it's gpu-z
1218 2012-01-11 18:19:56 <Diablo-D3> whatever
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1220 2012-01-11 18:20:04 <Diablo-D3> go figure out how gpu-z does it, and then backport it to linux
1221 2012-01-11 18:20:15 <Diablo-D3> gpu-z can read lots of vrms radeonvolt cant
1222 2012-01-11 18:20:16 <diki> gpu-z use i2c transfers
1223 2012-01-11 18:20:20 <diki> *uses
1224 2012-01-11 18:21:18 <diki> Diablo-D3:Anything that can be of use, is better than nothing
1225 2012-01-11 18:21:31 <diki> adl is good, but when your VRMs fry at 122C, you need to act
1226 2012-01-11 18:21:51 <Diablo-D3> 122c isnt fryworthy
1227 2012-01-11 18:21:53 <Diablo-D3> 150c is
1228 2012-01-11 18:22:07 <diki> lolwut?
1229 2012-01-11 18:22:11 <Diablo-D3> 120c is normal for a VRM, especially when the GPU is at 85c.
1230 2012-01-11 18:22:12 <diki> I'd rather not risk it
1231 2012-01-11 18:22:13 <Diablo-D3> yup
1232 2012-01-11 18:22:17 <jrmithdobbs> fix your cooling and ambient monitoring
1233 2012-01-11 18:22:27 <Diablo-D3> you know how the maximum temp of a GPU is 120c before it fries?
1234 2012-01-11 18:22:31 <jrmithdobbs> they're more useful
1235 2012-01-11 18:22:32 <diki> I still have my little program to protect me
1236 2012-01-11 18:22:33 <Diablo-D3> its 150c on most VRMs.
1237 2012-01-11 18:22:40 <Diablo-D3> but you never want to reach those
1238 2012-01-11 18:22:50 <Diablo-D3> so 85c GPU, 120c VRM, 85% fan.
1239 2012-01-11 18:22:57 <diki> OR
1240 2012-01-11 18:22:57 <devrandom> Diablo-D3: nope... I assume that since Diablo is ready to go thing, it's not as interesting for a programming article
1241 2012-01-11 18:22:58 <TD> devrandom: rather than add the enum values together, why not treat it as a bit field
1242 2012-01-11 18:23:09 <diki> 55 % fan, 80C GPU, 110C vrm
1243 2012-01-11 18:23:26 <Diablo-D3> TD: in what language?
1244 2012-01-11 18:23:37 <Diablo-D3> java?
1245 2012-01-11 18:23:38 <devrandom> java
1246 2012-01-11 18:23:43 <Diablo-D3> because java enums are fucking idiotic
1247 2012-01-11 18:23:53 <Diablo-D3> I cant combine them into a bitfield like in C.
1248 2012-01-11 18:23:58 <Diablo-D3> what the fuck is the point of that
1249 2012-01-11 18:23:59 <TD> devrandom: i think extension data should not be dropped in a read/write cycle, but i agree that the mandatory field is a good idea if clients that don't understand the extension risk corrupting it
1250 2012-01-11 18:24:21 <devrandom> I have a hybrid bit/sequence enum field...
1251 2012-01-11 18:24:23 <devrandom> let me get a link
1252 2012-01-11 18:24:23 <Diablo-D3> I use a static class with static final CAPITAL fields, and there, its a fucking #define.
1253 2012-01-11 18:24:42 <Diablo-D3> when I get shit done, it gets done right.
1254 2012-01-11 18:25:18 <TD> this is actually a protobuf enum
1255 2012-01-11 18:25:41 <TD> devrandom: isGoodInvariants -> checkInvariants?
1256 2012-01-11 18:25:48 <TD> i'm not sure what was wrong with the old name :)
1257 2012-01-11 18:25:49 <Diablo-D3> Ive never used protobuf enums
1258 2012-01-11 18:26:00 <devrandom> https://code.google.com/r/miron-bitcoinj/source/browse/src/com/google/bitcoin/core/WalletTransaction.java?name=wallet#26
1259 2012-01-11 18:26:00 <TD> devrandom: or maybe isConsistent
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1261 2012-01-11 18:26:16 <Diablo-D3> isConsistent is kind of lame
1262 2012-01-11 18:26:19 <devrandom> TD: I made it a boolean returning thing
1263 2012-01-11 18:26:22 <Diablo-D3> although the best of the three
1264 2012-01-11 18:26:22 <devrandom> ok
1265 2012-01-11 18:26:34 <Diablo-D3> devrandom: "is" or "has" methods are almost guaranteed to return a bool
1266 2012-01-11 18:26:47 <topi`> hi, my bitcoind has already taken >24 hours to download the blockchain, is this acceptable?
1267 2012-01-11 18:26:49 <Diablo-D3> java has a very specific way of styling syntax
1268 2012-01-11 18:26:54 <topi`> I see lots of these:
1269 2012-01-11 18:26:55 <topi`> ERROR: ProcessBlock() : already have block 152925 0000000000000b658cdf
1270 2012-01-11 18:26:59 <Diablo-D3> topi`: normal? yes. accceptable? no.
1271 2012-01-11 18:27:01 <jrmithdobbs> topi`: acceptable, no, normal, yes
1272 2012-01-11 18:27:02 <TD> devrandom: maybe include the extension name in the exception message, if it's mandatory
1273 2012-01-11 18:27:09 <topi`> how does this happen?
1274 2012-01-11 18:27:09 <Diablo-D3> jrmithdobbs: jinx
1275 2012-01-11 18:27:31 <TD> devrandom: the rest LGTM
1276 2012-01-11 18:27:33 <TD> devrandom: thanks!
1277 2012-01-11 18:27:40 <devrandom> TD: thanks for the review...
1278 2012-01-11 18:27:57 <jrmithdobbs> topi`: the p2p code isn't very smart at shuffling large chunks of data (like an initial blockchain download)
1279 2012-01-11 18:28:02 <jrmithdobbs> topi`: is the short answer
1280 2012-01-11 18:28:15 <TD> topi`: it's just a very intensive operation, to download and verify the entire block chain
1281 2012-01-11 18:28:20 <topi`> jrmithdobbs: so, two peers provide the same block?
1282 2012-01-11 18:28:25 <Joric> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDOcLros-w0 bitcoin vending machine - how safe are those instant transactions?
1283 2012-01-11 18:28:25 <TD> topi`: ideally releases would come with the block chain in it
1284 2012-01-11 18:28:34 <TD> topi`: i'm not sure why that isn't done
1285 2012-01-11 18:28:36 <jrmithdobbs> topi`: if the first one you asked didn't answer quick enough, ya
1286 2012-01-11 18:28:38 <devrandom> TD: Diablo-D3: so for the hybrid bit/sequence enum... the values that are mutually exclusive are sequenced and the values that are not are bit fields... if it's super annoying this way I can change it
1287 2012-01-11 18:28:55 <topi`> TD: too big download, perhaps ;)
1288 2012-01-11 18:28:57 <TD> devrandom: ok. it doesn't really matter
1289 2012-01-11 18:29:02 <TD> topi`: you have to download it anyway
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1291 2012-01-11 18:29:31 <TD> devrandom: so to forcibly rewrite the history on my clone, i'd use "git push -f" ?
1292 2012-01-11 18:29:43 <TD> after the "git reset --hard HEAD origin master"
1293 2012-01-11 18:29:52 <jrmithdobbs> git pull -f you mean
1294 2012-01-11 18:29:52 <TD> no, sorry, s/origin/upstream/
1295 2012-01-11 18:30:06 <TD> jrmithdobbs: no i want to overwrite a remote repository
1296 2012-01-11 18:30:11 <jrmithdobbs> oh, then yes
1297 2012-01-11 18:30:11 <TD> *branch
1298 2012-01-11 18:30:31 <TD> i got myself into a pickle with git
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1300 2012-01-11 18:31:54 <devrandom> the arg to git-reset is a commit
1301 2012-01-11 18:32:01 <TD> git reset --hard upstream/master
1302 2012-01-11 18:32:03 <TD> ?
1303 2012-01-11 18:32:04 <devrandom> so maybe git reset --hard origin/master
1304 2012-01-11 18:32:06 <devrandom> right
1305 2012-01-11 18:32:22 <devrandom> then git push -f
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1307 2012-01-11 18:32:45 <TD> hmm. that's not quite right. how do i tell it to update its copy of upstream/master, without merging into my own branch?
1308 2012-01-11 18:32:48 <devrandom> assuming origin is your remote personal repo
1309 2012-01-11 18:32:55 <devrandom> git fetch upstream
1310 2012-01-11 18:32:56 <TD> origin is my clone. upstream is the bitcoinj global master
1311 2012-01-11 18:32:58 <TD> ah, fetch
1312 2012-01-11 18:33:06 <TD> there we go
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1317 2012-01-11 18:34:04 <TD> ok, there we go. thanks devrandom and jrmithdobbs
1318 2012-01-11 18:34:13 <TD> devrandom: so go ahead and merge that into master whenever you like
1319 2012-01-11 18:34:31 <topi`> the initial few thousand blocks were very quick to download, so I thought the process wouldn't take two days...
1320 2012-01-11 18:34:38 <TD> devrandom: i think before we release 0.4 we need to at least update all the examples and docs to point users at protobuf serialization, then fix the feb 20th flag day, and finally fix the compressed pubkeys
1321 2012-01-11 18:34:43 <topi`> it seems they were downloaded in batches of 500 or so
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1323 2012-01-11 18:34:52 <TD> topi`: well, earlier blocks had less activity. if you don't want to wait, you can use MultiBit
1324 2012-01-11 18:34:58 <TD> topi`: it will sync a LOT faster because it does less
1325 2012-01-11 18:34:59 <jrmithdobbs> topi`: yes the got larger and more cpu intensive to verify around aug/sep 11
1326 2012-01-11 18:35:00 <devrandom> np
1327 2012-01-11 18:36:14 <TD> i'm really glad to see us get this though
1328 2012-01-11 18:36:38 <TD> hopefully everyone can migrate to protobuf wallets over the next couple of months. should robustify things a lot
1329 2012-01-11 18:37:03 <devrandom> TD: that sounds like a good plan
1330 2012-01-11 18:37:16 <jrmithdobbs> protobuf wallets?
1331 2012-01-11 18:37:27 <devrandom> TD: I was hoping to get feedback from Andreas, but I haven't heard from him yet
1332 2012-01-11 18:37:48 <devrandom> TD: I suppose we can always iterate
1333 2012-01-11 18:37:55 <TD> devrandom: he's probably just busy for a few days. i can't do much in the way of big changes until next week now
1334 2012-01-11 18:38:03 <TD> i might get to some of the minor bugfixes tonight
1335 2012-01-11 18:38:14 <TD> devrandom: but he wanted us to leave java serialization for a long time, so he should be happy :)
1336 2012-01-11 18:38:25 <TD> jrmithdobbs: storing bitcoinj wallets as a protocol buffer instead of a java object stream
1337 2012-01-11 18:38:34 <TD> latter is _extremely_ convenient, but that's about it. it's not very efficient or robust.
1338 2012-01-11 18:38:51 <sipa> or portable
1339 2012-01-11 18:38:56 <TD> indeed
1340 2012-01-11 18:38:56 <jrmithdobbs> oh, gotcha
1341 2012-01-11 18:39:01 <TD> well, java is pretty portable :)
1342 2012-01-11 18:39:03 <jrmithdobbs> i missed the first half of the conversation ;p
1343 2012-01-11 18:39:50 <devrandom> we hope the protobuf will be adopted by other clients maybe even by the Satoshi client
1344 2012-01-11 18:40:18 <TD> i think the future direction for wallet formats is as full databases
1345 2012-01-11 18:40:31 <TD> at least for the sort of things where the satoshi client is used
1346 2012-01-11 18:40:40 <devrandom> https://code.google.com/r/miron-bitcoinj/source/browse/src/bitcoin.proto?name=wallet
1347 2012-01-11 18:40:47 <TD> but for mobile clients protobufs are pretty good. too bad the proto2 library for java is so bloated
1348 2012-01-11 18:40:50 <sipa> devrandom: i've had some mails with gary rowe concerning the portable walet format
1349 2012-01-11 18:40:53 <devrandom> well, for wallet interchange...
1350 2012-01-11 18:40:58 <TD> yeah, for interchange it's pretty good
1351 2012-01-11 18:41:11 <TD> sometimes i wish we'd just released proto1 and got it over with
1352 2012-01-11 18:41:29 <devrandom> ?
1353 2012-01-11 18:41:37 <sipa> devrandom: but i personally am looking more towards a human-readable exchange format, rather than an efficient internal wallet format
1354 2012-01-11 18:41:48 <devrandom> TD: oh, got it
1355 2012-01-11 18:41:52 <CIA-100> DiabloMiner: Patrick McFarland master * rb462d89 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Updated vector argument to take layouts - http://git.io/-L7d4w https://github.com/Diablo-D3/DiabloMiner/commit/b462d89bfbc796bb633cf05847c2a828f9ad5536
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1358 2012-01-11 18:42:16 <devrandom> sipa: protobufs have a structured ascii format
1359 2012-01-11 18:42:45 <sipa> hmm, interesting
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1361 2012-01-11 18:43:21 <TD> yeah they can be binary or ascii. though wallets are inherently binary structures
1362 2012-01-11 18:43:30 <TD> so printing them as ascii has limited value beyond debugging, imho
1363 2012-01-11 18:44:25 <devrandom> it's nice for forensics (how did my wallet get corrupted, etc.)
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1365 2012-01-11 18:46:07 <devrandom> TD: should I squash all the protobuf stuff into one commit? or do you think the history of the past few days' development is useful?
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1367 2012-01-11 18:48:08 <TD> devrandom: it's fine
1368 2012-01-11 18:48:12 <TD> devrandom: no need to squash
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1370 2012-01-11 18:49:12 <topi`> I understand that verifying the recent blocks takes up some CPU time, but my bitcoind has been steadily taking 4-5% cpu from the beginning and still ...
1371 2012-01-11 18:49:33 <devrandom> TD: we should add the CIA link back...
1372 2012-01-11 18:49:37 <topi`> I'd expect the cpu be pegged to higher numbers
1373 2012-01-11 18:50:14 <TD> devrandom: yeah
1374 2012-01-11 18:50:24 <TD> topi`: most of the time is spent waiting for disk io
1375 2012-01-11 18:50:39 <TD> topi`: it's updating a consistent on disk database. so there's lots of flushing and things. as i said, if you don't like the delay, use MultiBit
1376 2012-01-11 18:50:52 <TD> or grab a copy of the block chain database from elsewhere
1377 2012-01-11 18:52:11 <devrandom> TD: pushed. should I close issue #4 or #85? or both?
1378 2012-01-11 18:52:24 <TD> both
1379 2012-01-11 18:52:27 <TD> yay! :)
1380 2012-01-11 18:52:48 <TD> we should do some triage at some point. a few of these bugs are obsolete
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1383 2012-01-11 18:55:19 <devrandom> yup
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1385 2012-01-11 18:58:18 <jgarzik> current review of coinbaser posted on github pull request.
1386 2012-01-11 19:01:12 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: Im still waiting on that triangle-area bitcoin dev group meetup ;)
1387 2012-01-11 19:01:48 <JFK911> raleigh? count me in
1388 2012-01-11 19:03:29 <TD> devrandom: any idea what you want to work on next?
1389 2012-01-11 19:06:44 <BlueMatt> JFK911: sounds good
1390 2012-01-11 19:09:12 <devrandom> TD: not sure
1391 2012-01-11 19:10:39 <devrandom> TD: maybe a stop-gap for tx fees? (fixed fee)
1392 2012-01-11 19:10:42 <TD> devrandom: i think the remaining Big Chunks of work needed for a truly great [mobile] client are real support for fees, and a circular block chain
1393 2012-01-11 19:10:46 <TD> fixed fees is a very simple patch
1394 2012-01-11 19:10:50 <TD> andreas has done it already
1395 2012-01-11 19:11:07 <devrandom> TD: do we have to re-implement due to CLA?
1396 2012-01-11 19:11:09 <TD> the next step is to ensure fees are sized appropriately for the transaction, but not worry about optimization
1397 2012-01-11 19:11:15 <TD> yes, unfortunately so. luckily it's quite a trivial patch
1398 2012-01-11 19:11:25 <TD> i've been meaning to refactor the wallet
1399 2012-01-11 19:11:46 <TD> make some of the methods public, and change the interface so you can pass the wallet any arbitrary Transaction object and have it be completed
1400 2012-01-11 19:12:16 <TD> so to create a multi-spend, you'd create a Transaction, add a few outpoints to the destinations you had in mind, and then tell the wallet to add as many inputs and outputs as necessary to finish it off
1401 2012-01-11 19:12:25 <TD> ditto for various types of contract.
1402 2012-01-11 19:12:30 <TD> it's not a big change from what we have now
1403 2012-01-11 19:12:32 <Eliel> https://chzmemebase.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/internet-memes-dear-pirates.png
1404 2012-01-11 19:12:57 <devrandom> I think we can postpone doing "appropriate fees" and let the UI handle it by retrying with a bigger fee
1405 2012-01-11 19:13:47 <TD> i think it should be done inside the wallet. UIs shouldn't have to think about this. making sure the fee is set so the tx won't be rejected isn't too hard
1406 2012-01-11 19:14:03 <TD> once you get into, how do I choose my coins such that the fee is minimized, that's harder. but we're a way off from that yet
1407 2012-01-11 19:14:14 <TD> fixed fee is 1 commit though. quite easy.
1408 2012-01-11 19:15:24 <devrandom> fees will likely be a moving target in the future... different miners might have different fee structures, plus fees will scale down as BTC value appreciates
1409 2012-01-11 19:15:31 <devrandom> plus new tx types
1410 2012-01-11 19:15:53 <devrandom> a pluggable component seems more better
1411 2012-01-11 19:16:06 <luke-jr> jgarzik: response posted
1412 2012-01-11 19:17:16 <TD> devrandom: pluggable SelectCoins() makes sense, yes. for now using the hard-coded fee rules is fine. it's just important that nodes don't silently drop transactions for relay
1413 2012-01-11 19:18:03 <TD> devrandom: the other thing that'd be useful is a truly bounded overhead block store. older block headers are deleted entirely. re-orgs deeper than X thousand blocks kick you off the network (or are just not detected at all)
1414 2012-01-11 19:18:16 <TD> devrandom: the mobile clients we have still don't scale
1415 2012-01-11 19:18:20 <TD> until that is solved
1416 2012-01-11 19:18:57 <devrandom> you still have to keep all block headers that enclose txs that affect you, right?
1417 2012-01-11 19:19:31 <devrandom> oh, maybe you don't if they are buried enough
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1419 2012-01-11 19:19:42 <devrandom> since you won't reorg that far
1420 2012-01-11 19:19:45 <TD> no. transactions already record which blocks they appeared in anyway, if for some reason you need the header you can just request it. but i can't think of why you'd need it
1421 2012-01-11 19:19:46 <TD> exactly
1422 2012-01-11 19:19:53 <TD> the only reason to keep block headers around is so you can handle re-orgs
1423 2012-01-11 19:20:13 <TD> once a tx is buried so deep you think a re-org will never happen, you can throw them away. it's a calculated gamble.
1424 2012-01-11 19:20:28 <TD> probably that depth should be calculated in terms of something fairly constant, like petahashes of work done rather than specific block depths
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1426 2012-01-11 19:21:51 <devrandom> there's no issue for this?
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1428 2012-01-11 19:22:47 <TD> no
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1434 2012-01-11 19:25:50 <devrandom> TD: I'll do the fee stuff
1435 2012-01-11 19:25:53 <TD> great
1436 2012-01-11 19:25:54 <TD> thanks
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1438 2012-01-11 19:27:15 <gmaxwell> 09:44 < Joric> how are you gonna get 50% of users with that http://bitcoinstatus.rowit.co.uk/versions.html
1439 2012-01-11 19:27:20 <gmaxwell> ^ thats totally unrelated.
1440 2012-01-11 19:27:31 <gmaxwell> old nodes are perfectly happy with P2SH
1441 2012-01-11 19:27:50 <gmaxwell> There just needs to be a majority of mining power on it to make sure that the rules get enforced
1442 2012-01-11 19:29:32 <Joric> gmaxwell, anyway, there's still a majority of v501 i only wondering what are those v700 v600
1443 2012-01-11 19:29:48 <gmaxwell> v600 it git
1444 2012-01-11 19:30:05 <Joric> testing?
1445 2012-01-11 19:30:34 <gmaxwell> I don't know about testing so much as just people running the version straight from git.
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1447 2012-01-11 19:31:33 <Joric> though there's only 18 v600 nodes and none v700/710
1448 2012-01-11 19:32:07 <gmaxwell> Joric: it's probably just listed because someone being funny claimed it.
1449 2012-01-11 19:32:22 <gmaxwell> 09:37 < finway> last time i heard [Tycho] & luke-jr won't support P2SH?
1450 2012-01-11 19:32:42 <gmaxwell> ^ this would be news to me, I mean [tycho]. I'm not sure where luke-jr stands at the moment.
1451 2012-01-11 19:33:39 <gmaxwell> (Luke was saying his support was conditional on a declaration that 'bitcoin 2.0' would be P2SH only)
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1453 2012-01-11 19:36:52 <marf_away> politics in bitcoin here we cokme
1454 2012-01-11 19:36:52 <marf_away> ;D
1455 2012-01-11 19:37:02 <marf_away> come
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1461 2012-01-11 19:42:31 <TD> devrandom: oh the other thing we need to think about in a block store rewrite is how to make sure mobile clients always have a reasonably up to date chain. andreas never updates his because he wants to be able to replay wallets
1462 2012-01-11 19:42:40 <TD> devrandom: some better support for checkpointing would be useful
1463 2012-01-11 19:44:06 <TD> so much to do ...
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1465 2012-01-11 19:45:47 <BlueMatt> did satoshi have any real-world reasons why we have a message checksum if we are using tcp?
1466 2012-01-11 19:47:03 <MC1984> does it strike anyone that being able to organize a 50%> effort for this p2sh thing is a parfect demonstration of an attack vector
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1468 2012-01-11 19:47:27 <TD> BlueMatt: i suspect a bug crept into the network layer at some point and that was something he introduced to try and find it
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1470 2012-01-11 19:47:52 <MC1984> any why pools are the devil
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1472 2012-01-11 19:48:30 <BlueMatt> TD: so why dont we short-circuit the message checksum check so that eventually we can remove it (its a pita and several people complain about it)
1473 2012-01-11 19:48:42 <BlueMatt> s/dont/havent/
1474 2012-01-11 19:48:59 <phantomcircuit> not to mention it makes partial message handling impossible
1475 2012-01-11 19:50:08 <TD> BlueMatt: that would be nice indeed
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1477 2012-01-11 19:50:27 <TD> BlueMatt: there should be a way to opt-out of the checksumming with a new command, maybe
1478 2012-01-11 19:50:34 <TD> there are more important improvements to the protocol imho
1479 2012-01-11 19:50:37 <gmaxwell> MC1984: No. Being able to organize something thats good for everyone is not the same as an attack.
1480 2012-01-11 19:50:40 <TD> messages when a tx/block is rejected would be useful
1481 2012-01-11 19:50:47 <BlueMatt> TD: we have a protocol version number now...
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1483 2012-01-11 19:51:04 <gmaxwell> MC1984: otherwise you could just argue that the 100% of the bitcoin users using bitcoin is evidence of the possibility of an attack. :)
1484 2012-01-11 19:51:53 <MC1984> what if you were compromised? what if you just turned bad?
1485 2012-01-11 19:52:06 <MC1984> bitcoin should be under the control of no man or group, thats the point
1486 2012-01-11 19:52:16 <MC1984> pools make it 10000000000x easier
1487 2012-01-11 19:52:43 <pusle> why is p2sh better than a bug fixed OP_eval?
1488 2012-01-11 19:53:33 <gmaxwell> MC1984: You've got far too many zeros there. But sure, lots of people have been complaining about pool power concentrations for a long time.
1489 2012-01-11 19:53:38 <TD> devrandom: looks like the build box doesn't know how to grab protoc
1490 2012-01-11 19:53:55 <phantomcircuit> https://github.com/pstratem/bitcoin/commits/tor
1491 2012-01-11 19:53:59 <phantomcircuit> so this kind of works
1492 2012-01-11 19:53:59 <gmaxwell> pusle: it's simpler, less risky, doesn't defeat static analysis of scripts.
1493 2012-01-11 19:54:42 <pusle> so why didn't Satoshi make p2sh in the first place? ^^
1494 2012-01-11 19:54:45 <phantomcircuit> i just need to make isRoutable and the connect call work
1495 2012-01-11 19:55:31 <gmaxwell> pusle: Presumably because he didn't think of it.
1496 2012-01-11 19:55:48 <gmaxwell> pusle: You know Satoshi didn't make OP_EVAL either, right?
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1498 2012-01-11 19:56:05 <pusle> eh, no. I thought it was in there from the start just disabled or something
1499 2012-01-11 19:56:25 <TD> because he did not anticipate a desire to have "small addresses"
1500 2012-01-11 19:56:36 <TD> when he first designed bitcoin he saw addresses as a temp hack and IP transactions as the most common way to send
1501 2012-01-11 19:56:37 <pusle> but I did read something about it being too powerful, like a programming language all on its own
1502 2012-01-11 19:56:45 <gmaxwell> Oh, heck no. In fact, OP_EVAL is exactly the kind of functionality he clearly avoided.
1503 2012-01-11 19:56:56 <pusle> but scripting then?
1504 2012-01-11 19:57:01 <pusle> maybe I'm confusing stuff
1505 2012-01-11 19:57:34 <pusle> the whole point of this is 3rd party signing, like escrow right?
1506 2012-01-11 19:57:50 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, the hell is OP_EVAL anyways?
1507 2012-01-11 19:58:02 <sipa> phantomcircuit: the precursor to P2SH
1508 2012-01-11 19:58:12 <pusle> perhaps he can give us some links and save time :)
1509 2012-01-11 19:58:15 <sipa> a bit more flexible, a lot more dangerous
1510 2012-01-11 19:58:16 <gmaxwell> The purpose is to make it so the recipent of funds can specify the payment tules.
1511 2012-01-11 19:58:25 <gmaxwell> s/tules/rules/
1512 2012-01-11 19:59:03 <TD> no, the purpose is to make addresses smaller
1513 2012-01-11 19:59:09 <TD> otherwise an address could just be a serialized scriptPubKey
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1515 2012-01-11 19:59:48 <sipa> neither; the purpose is to defer the actual script storage to spending to
1516 2012-01-11 19:59:49 <sipa> *time
1517 2012-01-11 19:59:51 <pusle> uh?
1518 2012-01-11 20:00:03 <gmaxwell> Thats not the only purpose though, output script size is simply more expensive than input script size if you assume pruning.
1519 2012-01-11 20:00:12 <gmaxwell> what sipa said.
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1521 2012-01-11 20:01:50 <pusle> so the problem is the amount of data stored in the blockchain?
1522 2012-01-11 20:02:08 <gmaxwell> pusle: like any good feature there are multiple needs it addresses.
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1524 2012-01-11 20:02:52 <pusle> sounds good, but I do hope it's tested for months before it's actually deployed..
1525 2012-01-11 20:03:17 <pusle> in an Alt-chain perhaps? *nudge* ;)
1526 2012-01-11 20:03:19 <pusle> hehe
1527 2012-01-11 20:03:29 <gmaxwell> pusle: we have testnet for testing.
1528 2012-01-11 20:03:47 <pusle> I know, but some complained it's kinda dead
1529 2012-01-11 20:03:59 <gmaxwell> 'some'
1530 2012-01-11 20:04:03 <gmaxwell> It's not dead at all.
1531 2012-01-11 20:04:55 <pusle> ok, goodie
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1534 2012-01-11 20:06:22 <devrandom> TD: protoc is in an apt package, not in maven, so we can't grab it automatically
1535 2012-01-11 20:06:37 <TD> maven can't grab platform specific binaries?
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1537 2012-01-11 20:07:17 <TD> http://code.google.com/p/protobuf/source/branch?spec=issue81&branch=%2Fbranches%2Fmaven-plugin
1538 2012-01-11 20:07:30 <TD> looks like it was never merged in?
1539 2012-01-11 20:08:11 <TD> http://code.google.com/p/protobuf/source/browse/trunk/java/README.txt
1540 2012-01-11 20:08:13 <TD> oh no, so it is
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1542 2012-01-11 20:09:31 <TD> devrandom: hey could you send a mail about how to build now?
1543 2012-01-11 20:10:01 <TD> i guess it's simple enough on macosx with ports and on linux, assuming there's a package. on windows it seems a binary is on the protobufs page
1544 2012-01-11 20:10:35 <devrandom> I'll update the README?
1545 2012-01-11 20:10:37 <TD> ok
1546 2012-01-11 20:10:53 <TD> i guess users who depend on it via maven won't need the compiler?
1547 2012-01-11 20:10:58 <TD> can we just check in the compiled outputs, maybe>?
1548 2012-01-11 20:11:00 <TD> that might be easier
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1551 2012-01-11 20:15:28 <devrandom> TD: checking in derived artifacts is usually frowned upon ;)
1552 2012-01-11 20:15:46 <TD> yeah, but it'd be a PITA if every user had to install protoc before they could work with the library
1553 2012-01-11 20:15:51 <TD> how many generated files are there?
1554 2012-01-11 20:15:54 * TD tries a build
1555 2012-01-11 20:16:15 <devrandom> TD: was there a protoc solution available in the links you pasted above? I can't quite figure it out.
1556 2012-01-11 20:16:26 <TD> no, i thought there was, but there isn't
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1560 2012-01-11 20:17:00 <devrandom> ok
1561 2012-01-11 20:17:21 <TD> hmm. for some reason maven can't find protoc, though it's in my path
1562 2012-01-11 20:17:42 <devrandom> ugh
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1564 2012-01-11 20:18:15 <TD> let me see
1565 2012-01-11 20:18:20 <devrandom> maybe maven hardcodes its own path
1566 2012-01-11 20:18:28 <devrandom> PATH
1567 2012-01-11 20:18:34 <TD> the command line version works, but then when compiling the generated files, it can't find the runtime lib
1568 2012-01-11 20:18:35 <TD> pain
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1570 2012-01-11 20:20:00 <devrandom> are you on OSX?
1571 2012-01-11 20:20:21 <TD> yeah
1572 2012-01-11 20:20:27 <devrandom> switch to linux?
1573 2012-01-11 20:20:29 <TD> heh
1574 2012-01-11 20:20:31 <TD> protoc runs
1575 2012-01-11 20:20:32 <devrandom> j/k
1576 2012-01-11 20:20:39 <TD> well, prints "Missing input file"
1577 2012-01-11 20:21:02 <TD> maven doesn't seem to have resolved the runtime library correctly. it can't find MessageOrBuilder
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1579 2012-01-11 20:21:07 <TD> when compiling the generated files
1580 2012-01-11 20:21:12 <TD> amongst other things (big error spew)
1581 2012-01-11 20:21:36 <TD> the generated file is there though. just one file, good :) we can check that in without any issues
1582 2012-01-11 20:21:54 <devrandom> protoc -Isrc src/bitcoin.proto --java_out=gen
1583 2012-01-11 20:22:05 <devrandom> TD: ^
1584 2012-01-11 20:23:02 <TD> maybe i have a version mismatch?
1585 2012-01-11 20:23:10 <TD> i see the protobuf lib on the classpath when compiling
1586 2012-01-11 20:23:10 <devrandom> you need 2.2.0
1587 2012-01-11 20:23:17 <TD> ah
1588 2012-01-11 20:23:19 <TD> i have protoc 2.4.1
1589 2012-01-11 20:23:28 <devrandom> yeah, I ran into that too
1590 2012-01-11 20:23:29 <TD> are you behind?
1591 2012-01-11 20:23:41 <TD> why are we using an older version?
1592 2012-01-11 20:23:57 <devrandom> that's the version on lucid :-P
1593 2012-01-11 20:24:22 <TD> ugh. so this is a debian issue :)
1594 2012-01-11 20:24:49 <TD> well, how about this
1595 2012-01-11 20:24:59 <TD> i check in the artifact compiled with 2.4, and repoint maven at the 2.4 runtime lib
1596 2012-01-11 20:25:04 <TD> as presumably (?) newer versions are better
1597 2012-01-11 20:25:07 <TD> that way you don't need to upgrade
1598 2012-01-11 20:25:14 <TD> and others don't need protoc at all
1599 2012-01-11 20:25:26 <devrandom> actually 2.4.x seems incompatible with 2.2.x
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1601 2012-01-11 20:25:38 <TD> yeah, exactly. that's the issue i'm having
1602 2012-01-11 20:25:41 <TD> fail
1603 2012-01-11 20:25:48 <devrandom> ya
1604 2012-01-11 20:26:01 <devrandom> well, I'm good with going to 2.4
1605 2012-01-11 20:26:11 <TD> ok
1606 2012-01-11 20:26:22 <devrandom> I'm not sure how you'd tell Maven that it doesn't have to do the protoc step
1607 2012-01-11 20:26:32 <TD> it's automated?
1608 2012-01-11 20:26:55 <TD> right, that indeed fixed it
1609 2012-01-11 20:27:03 <TD> how does maven decide what to build?
1610 2012-01-11 20:27:09 <TD> if the generated file already exists, will it skip that build step?
1611 2012-01-11 20:27:12 <devrandom> that's exactly what I'm wondering
1612 2012-01-11 20:27:20 <devrandom> because it doesn't know what's generated
1613 2012-01-11 20:27:32 <devrandom> it's not ant/make
1614 2012-01-11 20:27:46 <TD> i thought that's exactly what it is ... some kind of build system
1615 2012-01-11 20:28:00 <devrandom> it is, but it doesn't seem to look at outputs, only at inputs
1616 2012-01-11 20:28:05 <devrandom> and when they change, it rebuilds
1617 2012-01-11 20:28:09 <TD> hm
1618 2012-01-11 20:28:10 <devrandom> but first time, it rebuild everything
1619 2012-01-11 20:28:24 <TD> do the unit tests pass for you, by the way ?
1620 2012-01-11 20:28:25 <devrandom> we need a maven expert
1621 2012-01-11 20:28:40 <devrandom> yup
1622 2012-01-11 20:28:43 <TD> that's odd
1623 2012-01-11 20:28:47 <TD> they assert on isConsistent() for me
1624 2012-01-11 20:28:57 <TD> in ChainSplitTests
1625 2012-01-11 20:29:46 <devrandom> oh, maybe I didn't run it before the last change... oops
1626 2012-01-11 20:29:54 <luke-jr> protobuf seems to break compatibility often
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1628 2012-01-11 20:30:29 <TD> binary compatibility is never broken, AFAIK. our issue was a mismatch between the compiler version and the runtime library version
1629 2012-01-11 20:30:31 <TD> pretty easy to fix
1630 2012-01-11 20:30:36 <devrandom> okay
1631 2012-01-11 20:30:54 <TD> the only trick now is (beyond fixing the unit tests), ensuring the build is still convenient for people. no need to install dependencies manually.
1632 2012-01-11 20:30:57 <TD> devrandom: okay what?
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1634 2012-01-11 20:31:08 <devrandom> okay re compatibility
1635 2012-01-11 20:31:23 <TD> riht
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1637 2012-01-11 20:31:28 <TD> *right
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1641 2012-01-11 20:32:39 <luke-jr> [15:26:15] <TD> binary compatibility is never broken, AFAIK. our issue was a mismatch between the compiler version and the runtime library version <-- that is the DEFINITION of breaking binary compatibilityâ¦
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1643 2012-01-11 20:34:51 <TD> no
1644 2012-01-11 20:34:57 <TD> i meant binary compatibility as in, the format of serialized files
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1646 2012-01-11 20:35:18 <TD> it does indeed change the internal interface between compiled code and the runtime
1647 2012-01-11 20:35:27 <devrandom> TD: I'm looking at the test issue
1648 2012-01-11 20:36:13 <luke-jr> TD: which is annoying
1649 2012-01-11 20:36:19 <TD> yes
1650 2012-01-11 20:36:24 <TD> proto1 was perfect imho. sigh.
1651 2012-01-11 20:37:39 <TD> ugh. i hate the maven developers already.
1652 2012-01-11 20:37:40 <devrandom> TD: found it, pushing a fix in a sec
1653 2012-01-11 20:37:45 <TD> "At first glance Maven can appear to be many things, but in a nutshell Maven is an attempt to apply patterns to a project's build infrastructure in order to promote comprehension and productivity by providing a clear path in the use of best practices."
1654 2012-01-11 20:37:53 <TD> just say it's a damn build system and move on
1655 2012-01-11 20:38:09 <jgarzik> luke-jr: a collection of snarky non-answers is not a real response
1656 2012-01-11 20:38:46 <jgarzik> luke-jr: code existing is never an excuse to avoid review
1657 2012-01-11 20:38:53 <devrandom> TD: I'll also upgrade pom.xml to 2.4.1
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1659 2012-01-11 20:39:03 <TD> devrandom: ok
1660 2012-01-11 20:39:11 <luke-jr> jgarzik: they were answers.
1661 2012-01-11 20:39:28 <luke-jr> jgarzik: nor did I say anything about avoiding reviewâ¦
1662 2012-01-11 20:39:30 <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: nice onion support!
1663 2012-01-11 20:39:47 <phantomcircuit> still have quite a bit of work to do
1664 2012-01-11 20:40:00 <phantomcircuit> including a base32 implementation that's MIT (and works)
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1666 2012-01-11 20:41:13 <jgarzik> luke-jr: I don't see any willingness to update your own code in response to reviews, "Also, the current code has had months of testing. Any major restructures are liable to possibly introduce bugs."
1667 2012-01-11 20:41:26 <jgarzik> translation: take my submission as-is
1668 2012-01-11 20:42:44 <jgarzik> #1 is a complete non-answer, failing to answer/justify the _why_ behind the addition
1669 2012-01-11 20:43:01 <luke-jr> jgarzik: when all was said and done, I didn't see any changes needed in your review (and gave the reasons why not)
1670 2012-01-11 20:43:18 <luke-jr> jgarzik: because it's missing functionality?
1671 2012-01-11 20:43:25 <jgarzik> #4 is bullshit, because there are no updates/deletes
1672 2012-01-11 20:43:26 <luke-jr> and people want to use it?
1673 2012-01-11 20:43:34 <luke-jr> there ARE updates/deletes
1674 2012-01-11 20:43:49 <jgarzik> luke-jr: not in your pull request, no
1675 2012-01-11 20:43:55 <luke-jr> JSON-RPC setworkaux can update and delete existing entries, yes
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1677 2012-01-11 20:44:23 <gjs278> ;;bc,stats
1678 2012-01-11 20:44:25 <gribble> Current Blocks: 161747 | Current Difficulty: 1250757.7392747 | Next Difficulty At Block: 163295 | Next Difficulty In: 1548 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 5 hours, 31 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1314744.88276653 | Estimated Percent Change: 5.11587028269
1679 2012-01-11 20:44:36 <luke-jr> in fact, that's the common use case
1680 2012-01-11 20:44:50 <jgarzik> uh huh
1681 2012-01-11 20:44:52 <luke-jr> an append-only aux would be full in no time
1682 2012-01-11 20:45:31 <jgarzik> since you've decided it does not need updating, I don't see any point in pursuing it further
1683 2012-01-11 20:45:41 <jgarzik> regardless of feedback, apparently
1684 2012-01-11 20:45:47 <devrandom> TD: pushed
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1686 2012-01-11 20:45:59 <luke-jr> jgarzik: great, so it's ready for merging
1687 2012-01-11 20:46:48 <luke-jr> (has been for like 2 releases nowâ¦_)
1688 2012-01-11 20:47:01 <TD> kenton--
1689 2012-01-11 20:50:23 <TD> devrandom: so, perhaps one way is to rename the file to not have a .proto extension and then rerun the compiler by hand when it changs ?
1690 2012-01-11 20:50:26 <TD> not ideal ....
1691 2012-01-11 20:51:04 <luke-jr> jgarzik: it's needed, there's no known problems with it, it's had months of testing, and Gavin OK'd it months ago. why are we still wasting time discussing it?
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1694 2012-01-11 20:59:14 <devrandom> TD: maybe we could separate out the protobuf stuff into a separate component and make it optional
1695 2012-01-11 21:00:16 <TD> i'd like the serialization work to be usable by everyone. just without installing protoc, necessarily. is there a way to tell maven to depend on the runtime jar without the maven plugin as well ?
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1698 2012-01-11 21:01:21 <devrandom> are you asking about the maven-ant-plugin?
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1702 2012-01-11 21:01:46 <TD> oh, i see
1703 2012-01-11 21:01:53 <devrandom> that just runs protoc, so yes, it could be disabled if the generated java file is supplied
1704 2012-01-11 21:01:54 <TD> so there's a <dependency> on the runtime
1705 2012-01-11 21:01:57 <TD> ah great
1706 2012-01-11 21:02:00 <TD> that should be easy then
1707 2012-01-11 21:02:09 <TD> let's just disable that and put a comment in the .proto file saying how to re-gen it
1708 2012-01-11 21:04:15 <devrandom> TD: maybe actually move that into an ant build.xml? then they can just type "ant" if they have things set up
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1712 2012-01-11 21:06:33 <TD> i guess so? it might be confusing to have two different build files
1713 2012-01-11 21:07:05 <luke-jr> jgarzik: sorry, but when you take forever and are extremely late to even look at something everyone else has reviewed and tested a long time ago, and then come off as demanding a rewrite with no actual reason for it, it's very annoying
1714 2012-01-11 21:07:05 <devrandom> ok
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1716 2012-01-11 21:07:13 <TD> what's wrong with a comment saying "To regenerate, run protoc -Isrc src/bitcoin.proto --java_out=gen
1717 2012-01-11 21:10:08 <devrandom> TD: that's fine... I'm usually hesitant to short-circuit part of a build process like that
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1719 2012-01-11 21:10:54 <TD> yeah, but i think the gain in simplicity is worth it this time. otherwise we force java devs out of their comfort zone. they have to download windows binaries and put them in the path, etc. it's yak shaving. only a tiny number of people should modify the proto and it's easy for us to require them to regen the file as part of the code review process
1720 2012-01-11 21:12:44 <devrandom> TD: yeah, I'm okay with going this route
1721 2012-01-11 21:13:07 <TD> great
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1725 2012-01-11 21:14:18 <CIA-100> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * rf49f54891245 gentoo/app-misc/cgminer/ (Manifest cgminer-2.1.2.ebuild): app-misc/cgminer: 2.1.2 http://tinyurl.com/7qk3opr
1726 2012-01-11 21:14:30 <devrandom> TD: I'll update the project in a bit
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1735 2012-01-11 21:32:29 <devrandom> TD: looks like Gary is the maven expert we needed
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1755 2012-01-11 22:09:41 <CIA-100> bitcoin: various force_send * r73bd66..0b5d6f bitcoind-personal/ (64 files in 10 dirs): (35 commits) http://tinyurl.com/6uaoy3q
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1786 2012-01-11 22:59:10 <diki> ok nearly
1787 2012-01-11 22:59:12 <diki> there
1788 2012-01-11 22:59:34 <diki> I am almost there with PCI bus fetching
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1792 2012-01-11 23:08:01 <diki> Ok, got it
1793 2012-01-11 23:08:16 <diki> Better card detection for windows is working
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1795 2012-01-11 23:08:43 <diki> meaning better enumeration of devices
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1797 2012-01-11 23:09:31 <diki> Time to remove the switch case from my adl program
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1809 2012-01-11 23:30:58 <diki> Damn
1810 2012-01-11 23:31:02 <diki> who would've thought..
1811 2012-01-11 23:31:14 <diki> in windows I need a signed kernel mode driver from verisign...
1812 2012-01-11 23:31:24 <diki> in order to expose gpu registers yada yada
1813 2012-01-11 23:31:53 <cjdelisle> nps, just force an existing one to swap out and grab the swap file and patch it
1814 2012-01-11 23:33:00 <diki> Let's look for alternatives
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1816 2012-01-11 23:34:45 <diki> the original implementation of pciutils used WinIO to read pci bus interface
1817 2012-01-11 23:34:56 <diki> the one I got was modified to work with DirectIO
1818 2012-01-11 23:35:03 <diki> AND compile on mingw
1819 2012-01-11 23:35:08 <diki> which is a success
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1826 2012-01-11 23:43:29 <gruez> mtgox api sucks
1827 2012-01-11 23:43:36 <gruez> works fine in firefox
1828 2012-01-11 23:43:51 <gruez> but in .net applications, it always times out
1829 2012-01-11 23:43:58 <gruez> fails in internet explorer as well
1830 2012-01-11 23:44:00 <gruez> Unable to download ticker.php from mtgox.com. Unable to open this Internet site. The requested site is either unavailable or cannot be found. Please try again later.
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1835 2012-01-11 23:50:07 <gruez> lol
1836 2012-01-11 23:50:12 <gruez> changed user agent to firefox
1837 2012-01-11 23:50:15 <gruez> and it works 100%
1838 2012-01-11 23:50:21 <gruez> mtgox is hating on microsoft?
1839 2012-01-11 23:50:21 <gruez> :p
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1841 2012-01-11 23:54:18 <cjdelisle> LOL MagicalTux you are awesome
1842 2012-01-11 23:55:51 <BlueMatt> I agree, more sites should randomly drop connections and act weird if the ua is ie (not even joking)
1843 2012-01-11 23:57:58 <tcatm> It's almost dead anyway. Only 5.89% visit Bitcoincharts using IE.
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