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  55 2012-01-20 02:00:15 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: Stemby opened issue 772 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/772>
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  69 2012-01-20 02:34:55 <Joric> I'm terribly terribly sorry, but windows exe on http://bitcoin.org is not 4MB as stated you have to fix that
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  71 2012-01-20 02:35:13 <Joric> bitcoin-0.5.2-win32-setup.exe is 8427K
  72 2012-01-20 02:38:43 <Joric> http://bitcoin.org : Windows (exe) ~4MB
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  96 2012-01-20 03:55:07 <CIA-76> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr * r3cb722187815 cgminer/ (main.c miner.h): Restore old ugly inconsistent display of ADL information before the standard info http://tinyurl.com/77qlvwo
  97 2012-01-20 03:55:09 <CIA-76> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * r35f676b02d66 cgminer/ (main.c miner.h): Merge pull request #75 from luke-jr/ugly_display http://tinyurl.com/7rabmdq
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 110 2012-01-20 04:05:08 <CIA-76> bitcoin: Con Kolivas * rd9ccb3b485df cgminer/main.c: Merge pull request #76 from luke-jr/ugly_display http://tinyurl.com/7yosk8s
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 131 2012-01-20 04:48:40 <roconnor_> yay, my rouge relayer worked!
 132 2012-01-20 04:48:53 <roconnor_> http://blockexplorer.com/testnet/tx/f49902bd5fe1d74eb99e948e4502c6850c7b1955f650abe12f5618c86766e740
 133 2012-01-20 04:49:12 <roconnor_> I inserted a message in someone else's transaction without even mining it.
 134 2012-01-20 04:49:23 <roconnor_> I guess this is known.
 135 2012-01-20 04:50:11 <CIA-76> bitcoin: various * ra4599d..9840c1 cgminer/ (util.c miner.h README main.c): (5 commits) http://tinyurl.com/42nz69f
 136 2012-01-20 04:50:32 <theymos> Does that mess with their client's handling of the transaction?
 137 2012-01-20 04:50:58 <roconnor_> theymos: I'm running bitcoin 0.4.0 and I've kinda messed up my own client
 138 2012-01-20 04:51:32 <roconnor_> I'm not entirely sure if that is my own modified code screwing it up or if it is a problem with the badly relayed transactions
 139 2012-01-20 04:51:38 <luke-jr> roconnor_: upgrade to 0.4.3 :P
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 142 2012-01-20 04:51:50 <roconnor_> I think there is a DOS attack here
 143 2012-01-20 04:52:18 <roconnor_> oh wait I take that back
 144 2012-01-20 04:52:26 <roconnor_> what I was thinking isn't possible.
 145 2012-01-20 04:52:43 <theymos> My guess is that the sender would see one transaction stuck at 0 confirmations but also see another copy which behaves correctly.
 146 2012-01-20 04:52:54 <roconnor_> theymos: sounds about right.
 147 2012-01-20 04:53:26 <BlueMatt> gavin posted about this problem on the mailing list this morning (its been known for a long time)
 148 2012-01-20 04:53:45 <roconnor_> I think this provides motivation for my "normalize signatures" idea
 149 2012-01-20 04:53:50 <roconnor_> BlueMatt: do you have a link?
 150 2012-01-20 04:54:27 <roconnor_> or maybe droping non-normailzed signatures.
 151 2012-01-20 04:54:54 <luke-jr> I think having nodes and/or miners strip all unnecessary signatures, and normalizing the ones present, would help
 152 2012-01-20 04:55:09 <luke-jr> and forbidding anything other than OP_PUSH before OP_CODESEPARATOR maybe
 153 2012-01-20 04:55:14 <nanotube> roconnor_: i think gavin just made some commits to make isstandard not pass extra pushdatas ... assuming i'm getting what you're talking about. :)
 154 2012-01-20 04:55:14 <roconnor_> I guess rogue miners can still mess with thinks, as is well known.
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 157 2012-01-20 04:56:01 <roconnor_> luke-jr: by rouge relayer inserts extra OP_PUSHs, so such a policy is inadequate for tackling the issue.
 158 2012-01-20 04:56:02 <gmaxwell> roconnor_: the isstandard stuff is widely deployed those blocks could be discouraged. ::shrugs::
 159 2012-01-20 04:56:06 <luke-jr> my question is, can someone insert an OP_CHECKSIGVERIFY at the front to make it unredeemable?
 160 2012-01-20 04:56:27 <roconnor_> luke-jr: yes, but such a transaction will fail to validate and be droped.
 161 2012-01-20 04:56:29 <luke-jr> roconnor_: that's why we strip out signatures that aren't needed/used for verification?
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 163 2012-01-20 04:57:01 <theymos> This ability to insert extra data into scriptSig was a side-effect of scriptSig and scriptPubKey being split, right? It wasn't present in the original design?
 164 2012-01-20 04:57:05 <roconnor_> yes, you need to strip out unused data; though telling what data is unused isn't a trickyish issue.
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 166 2012-01-20 04:57:39 <roconnor_> theymos: I think it was present in the original design.
 167 2012-01-20 04:59:08 <roconnor_> The "real" solution is to stop using the signatures in the when hashing to create an identifier for the transaction.
 168 2012-01-20 04:59:18 <roconnor_> though I haven't though through the consequences
 169 2012-01-20 04:59:23 <roconnor_> *thought
 170 2012-01-20 04:59:32 <roconnor_> not to mention how untenable such a solution is.
 171 2012-01-20 04:59:33 <roconnor_> *sigh*
 172 2012-01-20 04:59:53 <roconnor_> maybe there is something I'm missing
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 174 2012-01-20 05:01:34 <roconnor_> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=28699429
 175 2012-01-20 05:01:40 <roconnor_> I'm glad gavin is thinking about the issue.
 176 2012-01-20 05:01:45 <theymos> I'm not very familiar with OP_CHECKSIG operation, but I was thinking that in the old design everything except the signatures in the scriptSig was signed, which would prevent adding more data.
 177 2012-01-20 05:03:30 <roconnor_> theymos: all the signatures from all the transactions are stripped before the transaction is hashed for verification purposes (or at least that is how it is done now)
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 179 2012-01-20 05:04:34 <roconnor_> signatures need to be generated in order, so the best one could do is sign all the signatures in the previous txins, but you must leave the signatures in the successive txins empty.
 180 2012-01-20 05:04:38 <roconnor_> (and the current one)
 181 2012-01-20 05:05:18 <roconnor_> but I would guess even orginally all signatures would be left out of all txins so the signatures can be generated in any order.
 182 2012-01-20 05:06:23 <theymos> Ah, I was incorrectly thinking of the redeemed transactions instead of the "current" one.
 183 2012-01-20 05:07:12 <BlueMatt> sign the sigcount and then generally enforce sig size
 184 2012-01-20 05:09:25 <theymos> Or to allow more freedom the sender could sign an ordered list of pushdata sizes for each scriptSig. (This data need not be included in the transaction, since it can be calculated.)
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 188 2012-01-20 05:14:19 <Joric> http://research.microsoft.com/pubs/156072/bitcoin.pdf O_O
 189 2012-01-20 05:14:39 <BlueMatt> very old...
 190 2012-01-20 05:14:39 <luke-jr> old
 191 2012-01-20 05:17:28 <BlueMatt> they make a point, but Im not 100% sure its 100% valid and its sooo far down the list of problems that should take some considering that...meh
 192 2012-01-20 05:22:37 <Joric> speaking of those, http://bitcoin.org : Windows (exe) ~4MB but bitcoin-0.5.2-win32-setup.exe is actually 8.4MB
 193 2012-01-20 05:22:57 <BlueMatt> pull request it
 194 2012-01-20 05:23:01 <BlueMatt> the website is open source
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 202 2012-01-20 05:45:23 <Joric> hehe github.com went offline
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 204 2012-01-20 05:45:35 <Joric> already up
 205 2012-01-20 05:46:33 <Joric> that was painful https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/pull/14
 206 2012-01-20 05:48:34 <lianj> why?
 207 2012-01-20 05:49:24 <Joric> BlueMatt said so )
 208 2012-01-20 05:49:45 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: joric opened pull request 14 on bitcoin/bitcoin.org <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/pull/14>
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 219 2012-01-20 06:10:45 <Diablo-D3> who doesnt
 220 2012-01-20 06:10:52 <Diablo-D3> its the only thing thats fun anymore
 221 2012-01-20 06:17:19 <CIA-76> DiabloMiner: Patrick McFarland master * r45a4c7f / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix Jackson warnings, make the kernel ~0.5% faster - http://git.io/QSomDQ https://github.com/Diablo-D3/DiabloMiner/commit/45a4c7fd7fd9f3d2f4756a210c8fa0c3be316f5d
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 277 2012-01-20 09:49:54 <diki> A quickie, how is vanitygen able to calculate the probability of finding an address?
 278 2012-01-20 09:50:04 <diki> I thought that was as random as finding a block
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 280 2012-01-20 09:59:28 <kinlo> diki: it is, just like we know that one block will fall on average every 10 minutes
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 282 2012-01-20 09:59:38 <kinlo> same logic for vanitygen
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 285 2012-01-20 10:13:05 <TuxBlackEdo> EXCEPTION: N5boost16exception_detail10clone_implINS0_19error_info_injectorINS_6system12system_errorEEEEE
 286 2012-01-20 10:13:05 <TuxBlackEdo> read_some: End of file
 287 2012-01-20 10:13:07 <TuxBlackEdo> C:\Program Files\Bitcoin\bitcoin-qt.exe in Runaway exception
 288 2012-01-20 10:13:39 <TuxBlackEdo> it keeps doing it
 289 2012-01-20 10:13:44 <TuxBlackEdo> after like 20 mins
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 292 2012-01-20 10:16:10 <diki> TuxBlackEdo:In this day and age, why are you not with a 64-bit OS?
 293 2012-01-20 10:17:03 <TuxBlackEdo> heh
 294 2012-01-20 10:17:06 <TuxBlackEdo> that's the prob?
 295 2012-01-20 10:17:14 <diki> ugh, never said it was
 296 2012-01-20 10:17:22 <diki> It just strikes me as odd
 297 2012-01-20 10:19:06 <TuxBlackEdo> and sometime it will just stall on "bitcoind.exe getinfo"
 298 2012-01-20 10:19:33 <TuxBlackEdo> and i have to control-alt-delete it and reopen
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 321 2012-01-20 11:43:25 <diki> well
 322 2012-01-20 11:43:35 <diki> I can see around a week of importing the blockchain in my db
 323 2012-01-20 11:44:04 <diki> Since when the blocks were ~146k it took me that much
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 325 2012-01-20 11:47:15 <Joric> diki, took a couple of hours for me (bitcointools -> sqlite)
 326 2012-01-20 11:47:28 <diki> abe->mysql
 327 2012-01-20 11:48:21 <diki> the reason is
 328 2012-01-20 11:48:24 <diki> transactions
 329 2012-01-20 11:48:33 <diki> that is the only thing that makes abe run slower
 330 2012-01-20 11:49:04 <diki> once abe reaches blocks where there is 50 transactions per block or more
 331 2012-01-20 11:49:09 <diki> that is when it gets slower
 332 2012-01-20 11:50:27 <phantomcircuit> diki, i found slow part is the indexes actually
 333 2012-01-20 11:51:26 <diki> But this time it's different, I have more ram
 334 2012-01-20 11:51:35 <diki> I hope that speeds things a bit
 335 2012-01-20 11:51:45 <phantomcircuit> maybe
 336 2012-01-20 11:52:00 <diki> ever used abe?
 337 2012-01-20 11:52:24 <Joric> i'm thinking of loading bdb entirely into memory and reindexing it the way i want, might help with drawing charts and such
 338 2012-01-20 11:54:39 <sipa> sje: #bitcoin-mining
 339 2012-01-20 11:54:49 <sje> ty sipa
 340 2012-01-20 11:55:05 <phantomcircuit> diki, no but i did write a bitcoin client in python
 341 2012-01-20 11:55:13 <diki> well, its starting to get slower
 342 2012-01-20 11:55:36 <phantomcircuit> blocks are cheap
 343 2012-01-20 11:55:40 <phantomcircuit> transactions are expensive
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 347 2012-01-20 12:04:24 <[Tycho]> Hello, luke-jr ?
 348 2012-01-20 12:07:51 <TuxBlackEdo> Yes, this is dog
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 350 2012-01-20 12:11:27 <[Tycho]> What's the number of block that contains "/////Stack is innocent/////" message ?
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 356 2012-01-20 12:16:08 <TuxBlackEdo> lol i like the recent addition to the blockchain "* Stack is guilty! *"
 357 2012-01-20 12:16:28 <doublec> Tycale: 162425 iirc
 358 2012-01-20 12:16:34 <doublec> erm [Tycho] ^^
 359 2012-01-20 12:17:04 <[Tycho]> Thanks.
 360 2012-01-20 12:17:13 <[Tycho]> TuxBlackEdo: where is it ?
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 384 2012-01-20 13:29:04 <diki> As I suspected, I am at block 70k and its slow, not fast like before
 385 2012-01-20 13:29:16 <diki> and when it reaches 90k, that is when it gets even slower
 386 2012-01-20 13:29:28 <diki> So a few days would be required to import the blk chain
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 416 2012-01-20 14:48:25 <gavinandresen> Good morning y'all
 417 2012-01-20 14:49:00 <sipa> hi there gavin
 418 2012-01-20 14:50:23 <phantomcircuit> gavinandresen, it's morning ?:
 419 2012-01-20 14:50:28 <phantomcircuit> ?:|
 420 2012-01-20 14:50:38 <gavinandresen> Yes, it is morning.  Get with the program.
 421 2012-01-20 14:50:42 <gavinandresen> :)
 422 2012-01-20 14:50:45 <phantomcircuit> heh
 423 2012-01-20 14:51:19 <sipa> don't you know official bitcoin time is GMT-5 ?
 424 2012-01-20 14:52:05 <gavinandresen> Hey, that's MY timezone!  Cool!
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 426 2012-01-20 14:53:41 <sipa> people thing it is UTC seconds since epoch, but it is actually seconds in GMT-5 since december 31st 1969, 7 pm
 427 2012-01-20 14:53:45 <sipa> *think
 428 2012-01-20 14:54:42 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: UGT!
 429 2012-01-20 14:54:54 <phantomcircuit> lold
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 431 2012-01-20 15:01:30 <TuxBlackEdo> I just don't get why bitcoind can't have the hashespersec calculate from the amount of getworks... at least an estimate would be nice
 432 2012-01-20 15:03:01 <TuxBlackEdo> and if it isn't supported anymore why isn "genproclimit" and "hashespersec" and "generate" removed from getinfo?
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 439 2012-01-20 15:22:34 <luke-jr> TuxBlackEdo: it is, in git master
 440 2012-01-20 15:22:36 <luke-jr> <.<
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 442 2012-01-20 15:27:46 <gmaxwell> Morning.
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 444 2012-01-20 15:40:11 <sipa> gavinandresen: in ::Solver, the TX_SCRIPTHASH case causes a reply with the correct script
 445 2012-01-20 15:40:27 <sipa> but where is/are the necessary signatures produced
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 450 2012-01-20 15:44:25 <sipa> i see
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 464 2012-01-20 16:03:07 <marty> hi
 465 2012-01-20 16:03:25 <marty> someone mentioned once in reddit a way to make a contract in BTC, using keys as a sort of escrow. anybody knows what's it about?
 466 2012-01-20 16:04:31 <sipa> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Contracts ?
 467 2012-01-20 16:04:44 <marty> let's see
 468 2012-01-20 16:04:45 <marty> ty
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 471 2012-01-20 16:08:13 <k9quaint> every time I see sipa now, I think of the unholy spawn of SOPA and PIPA :P
 472 2012-01-20 16:08:43 <sipa> i'm going to DMCA them down
 473 2012-01-20 16:08:45 <sipa> i was first
 474 2012-01-20 16:08:51 <k9quaint> good man
 475 2012-01-20 16:08:56 <Diablo-D3> k9quaint: oh fuck
 476 2012-01-20 16:08:58 <Diablo-D3> goddamnit man!
 477 2012-01-20 16:09:02 <Diablo-D3> I cant unsee!
 478 2012-01-20 16:09:13 <Diablo-D3> why did you do that!
 479 2012-01-20 16:09:13 <k9quaint> you can, with a spoon
 480 2012-01-20 16:09:36 <k9quaint> of course if you don't guess right on which part of your brain has that image...
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 484 2012-01-20 16:16:24 <diki> Made .42 bitcoins...
 485 2012-01-20 16:16:47 <diki> First time I mined for over 24 hours on a pool, since September anyway
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 489 2012-01-20 16:22:24 <sipa> k9quaint: PIPA = protect ip act; SOPA = stop online piracy act; sipa = stop ip act :D
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 503 2012-01-20 16:50:18 <ciscoftw> looking at the data (text) was written to blockchain, seems like a few different techniques are used, one of which allows for more than 20bytes to be written into transactions, whereas the others appear to have written the coinbase (via the block, not transactions) the way Dan did it makes sense to me, but the others do not...
 504 2012-01-20 16:50:55 <sipa> Dan put it in txhashes
 505 2012-01-20 16:51:06 <sipa> eh, pubkeyhashes
 506 2012-01-20 16:51:58 <ciscoftw> i follow the way dan did it, but not via the coinbase...
 507 2012-01-20 16:52:18 <ciscoftw> only one coinbase per block, how is that data written there?
 508 2012-01-20 16:52:26 <sipa> in that one coinbase
 509 2012-01-20 16:52:34 <sipa> with support from miners
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 511 2012-01-20 16:54:15 <Diablo-D3> [11:17:23] <sipa> k9quaint: PIPA = protect ip act; SOPA = stop online piracy act; sipa = stop ip act :D
 512 2012-01-20 16:54:18 <luke-jr> ciscoftw: longer data in txns uses "send to pubkey" instead of "send to pubkey hash"
 513 2012-01-20 16:54:18 <Diablo-D3> lawlz
 514 2012-01-20 16:54:40 <luke-jr> ciscoftw: if you want to timestamp data, let us know and we can help do it a much saner way
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 517 2012-01-20 16:56:06 <ciscoftw> thanx Luke, but im just looking for more of an understanding about how the data was written to coinbase
 518 2012-01-20 16:56:24 <ciscoftw> again what dan did makes perfect sense to me, what others have done via coinbaes does not
 519 2012-01-20 16:56:37 <gmaxwell> ciscoftw: ... what fails to make sense to you?
 520 2012-01-20 16:56:45 <sipa> coinbase = arbitrary 2-100 bytes of data
 521 2012-01-20 16:56:53 <sipa> there is nothing easier to put arbitrary stuff in
 522 2012-01-20 16:57:18 <luke-jr> ciscoftw: I have a patch called "Coinbaser" that allows manipulating the coinbase.
 523 2012-01-20 16:57:32 <luke-jr> ciscoftw: it's been stable and well-tested for nearly a year, but still not merged to mainline.
 524 2012-01-20 16:57:44 <luke-jr> ciscoftw: if you want it, please voice your support on the pullreq so Garzik sees
 525 2012-01-20 16:57:51 <ciscoftw> will do
 526 2012-01-20 16:57:55 <luke-jr> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/719
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 540 2012-01-20 17:28:58 <Mad7Scientist> What is up with the new QT bitcoin
 541 2012-01-20 17:29:04 <Mad7Scientist> The thing locks up for 20 seconds at a time
 542 2012-01-20 17:29:13 <Mad7Scientist> blockd on I/O to ~/.bitcoin/
 543 2012-01-20 17:29:16 <BlueMatt> when doing what?
 544 2012-01-20 17:29:44 <Mad7Scientist> Scrolling up and down in the transactions, or just doing nothing
 545 2012-01-20 17:30:02 <Mad7Scientist> I guess it is expecting something in ~/.bitcoin/ to be cached
 546 2012-01-20 17:30:10 <Mad7Scientist> and since I am low on memory it is not cached
 547 2012-01-20 17:30:24 <BlueMatt> that shouldnt be...
 548 2012-01-20 17:30:27 <Mad7Scientist> It's not a big problem except my local miners stop mining during these times
 549 2012-01-20 17:31:11 <Mad7Scientist> I updated from gtk bitcoin and it's nice that the resident memory is much lower but now there is this problem
 550 2012-01-20 17:31:23 <BlueMatt> you mean wx bitcoin?
 551 2012-01-20 17:32:02 <Mad7Scientist> I had the gtk2 version 0.3.21 which worked well when it worked but it crashed a lot
 552 2012-01-20 17:32:16 <BlueMatt> that was the wx version
 553 2012-01-20 17:32:21 <Mad7Scientist> now I have 0.5.2
 554 2012-01-20 17:32:33 <sipa> you have the same problem with 0.5.1?
 555 2012-01-20 17:32:43 <Mad7Scientist> I used nothing in between
 556 2012-01-20 17:34:09 <Mad7Scientist> The problem is simple it's relying on the system cache for something in ~/.bitcoin (which i have on a network share) and because my browser is taking up a lot of ram and I only have 512MB it's not staying in the FS cache and then it blocks for 20 seconds reading over the network and it'll do this repeatedly and the miners stop mining
 557 2012-01-20 17:35:08 <BlueMatt> oh you have a network drive...hmmm
 558 2012-01-20 17:35:28 <BlueMatt> are you downloading blocks still?
 559 2012-01-20 17:35:36 <Mad7Scientist> I don't think it would be much faster if the drive was local
 560 2012-01-20 17:35:41 <Mad7Scientist> no blocks are up to date
 561 2012-01-20 17:36:00 <sipa> sync calls to a network drive may take a lot longer than locally
 562 2012-01-20 17:36:39 <gmaxwell> network drives also defeat read caching in many cases, because you can't be sure someone didn't change it out from under you.
 563 2012-01-20 17:37:05 <sipa> some protocols guarantee that
 564 2012-01-20 17:37:06 <Mad7Scientist> It's NFS3
 565 2012-01-20 17:37:16 <gmaxwell> Not NFSv3.
 566 2012-01-20 17:37:25 <Mad7Scientist> v3
 567 2012-01-20 17:37:27 <sipa> v4 supports client-side caching, afaik
 568 2012-01-20 17:37:31 <gmaxwell> Right.
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 570 2012-01-20 17:37:45 <gmaxwell> thats my recollection too.
 571 2012-01-20 17:37:46 <Mad7Scientist> I thought they v3 supported client side caching too
 572 2012-01-20 17:37:49 <Mad7Scientist> let me try
 573 2012-01-20 17:38:12 <gmaxwell> My network filesystem kungfu is super weak now. Been a long time since I've cared.
 574 2012-01-20 17:38:14 <Mad7Scientist> curretnly I have 150K of FS cache in use
 575 2012-01-20 17:38:24 <sipa> == nothing
 576 2012-01-20 17:38:42 <Mad7Scientist> I do not have this problem with bitcoin when my browser isn't open and there is enough free memory
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 579 2012-01-20 17:38:59 <sipa> is it swapping/thrashing?
 580 2012-01-20 17:39:17 <Mad7Scientist> no swap is local and my hard drive is'nt busy
 581 2012-01-20 17:39:29 <Mad7Scientist> it's blocked on network I/O to ~/.bitcoin
 582 2012-01-20 17:39:45 <gmaxwell> (for diskless machines I've been using iscsi too)
 583 2012-01-20 17:40:07 <Mad7Scientist> $ time cp addr.dat /dev/null
 584 2012-01-20 17:40:07 <Mad7Scientist> real    0m4.234s
 585 2012-01-20 17:40:14 <Mad7Scientist> $ time cp addr.dat /dev/null
 586 2012-01-20 17:40:14 <Mad7Scientist> real    0m0.638s
 587 2012-01-20 17:40:17 <Mad7Scientist> see it does local caching
 588 2012-01-20 17:40:23 <gmaxwell> .. where is the NFS server for this??
 589 2012-01-20 17:40:32 <Mad7Scientist> at the other end of 100mb LAN
 590 2012-01-20 17:40:32 <gmaxwell> 4 seconds to copy a .. what ? 30 meg file tops?
 591 2012-01-20 17:40:47 <gmaxwell> I think your lan is busted!
 592 2012-01-20 17:40:52 <Mad7Scientist> 57MB file
 593 2012-01-20 17:41:01 <gmaxwell> sipa: How goes the new addr pool stuff?
 594 2012-01-20 17:41:16 <Mad7Scientist> addr.dat is probably very fragmented
 595 2012-01-20 17:41:29 <sipa> gmaxwell: coming slowly
 596 2012-01-20 17:41:30 <sipa> :)
 597 2012-01-20 17:41:34 <Mad7Scientist> actually no it did like 12MB/sec
 598 2012-01-20 17:41:55 <Mad7Scientist> in fact some of the file must have been already locally cached
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 604 2012-01-20 17:55:25 <CIA-76> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr checkhashverify_backport * r7bdd5dabdf25 bitcoind-personal/ (main.cpp rpc.cpp script.cpp script.h): Minimal support for validating OP_CHECKHASHVERIFY http://tinyurl.com/6q5lmme
 605 2012-01-20 17:55:28 <CIA-76> bitcoin: Luke Dashjr checkhashverify_backport * r4c3f3dc359cf bitcoind-personal/ (main.h script.cpp script.h): Recognize BIP 17 standard transaction types http://tinyurl.com/7w8ml5l
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 607 2012-01-20 17:57:17 <luke-jr> ^ first serious attempt; review welcome
 608 2012-01-20 18:00:39 <TuxBlackEdo> quick question
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 610 2012-01-20 18:00:58 <TuxBlackEdo> in /doc/build-msw.txt i get to the part where it says
 611 2012-01-20 18:01:06 <TuxBlackEdo> Boost
 612 2012-01-20 18:01:06 <TuxBlackEdo> -----
 613 2012-01-20 18:01:06 <TuxBlackEdo> DOS prompt:
 614 2012-01-20 18:01:06 <TuxBlackEdo> downloaded boost jam 3.1.18
 615 2012-01-20 18:01:06 <TuxBlackEdo> cd \boost-1.47.0-mgw
 616 2012-01-20 18:01:06 <TuxBlackEdo> bjam toolset=gcc --build-type=complete stage
 617 2012-01-20 18:01:19 <TuxBlackEdo> what does "downloaded boost jam 3.1.18" mean?
 618 2012-01-20 18:01:27 <BlueMatt> s/ed//
 619 2012-01-20 18:01:30 <BlueMatt> download it
 620 2012-01-20 18:01:35 <TuxBlackEdo> oh ok
 621 2012-01-20 18:01:45 <TuxBlackEdo> boost jam 3.1.18 = like 1.3mb
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 623 2012-01-20 18:01:51 <TuxBlackEdo> boost-1.47.0-mgw = like 50mb
 624 2012-01-20 18:01:53 <TuxBlackEdo> download both?
 625 2012-01-20 18:01:57 <BlueMatt> yea
 626 2012-01-20 18:02:00 <TuxBlackEdo> oh ok got it
 627 2012-01-20 18:02:02 <BlueMatt> bjam is what boost uses to build itself
 628 2012-01-20 18:02:08 <TuxBlackEdo> ah
 629 2012-01-20 18:02:15 <BlueMatt> they have their own make system, go figure...
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 637 2012-01-20 18:08:26 <BlueMatt> heh, the chairman of the mpaa "Dodd says that the bills were largely considered a "slam dunk" before the protests"
 638 2012-01-20 18:08:30 <BlueMatt> are you kidding me
 639 2012-01-20 18:10:02 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: he lives in a pretty strong reality distortion field.
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 641 2012-01-20 18:10:58 <BlueMatt> clearly
 642 2012-01-20 18:11:10 * BlueMatt -> class
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 649 2012-01-20 18:24:24 <Eliel> the reality distortion field a lot of politicians seem to be living in needs fixing.
 650 2012-01-20 18:25:38 * diki is at block 107k
 651 2012-01-20 18:25:52 <diki> 50k+ left to go
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 657 2012-01-20 18:31:24 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: may I please edit BIP 13 (P2SH address format) to link BIP 12 (for historical reference) and 17 under "See Also" in addition to 16?
 658 2012-01-20 18:32:13 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: sure
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 663 2012-01-20 18:34:14 <luke-jr> ty
 664 2012-01-20 18:34:43 <Diablo-D3> huh
 665 2012-01-20 18:34:59 <Diablo-D3> bitselect seems to be functioning properly now
 666 2012-01-20 18:35:37 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: yeah, I read that on your forum thread a while ago
 667 2012-01-20 18:35:42 <Diablo-D3> wait no
 668 2012-01-20 18:35:49 * Diablo-D3 tries again
 669 2012-01-20 18:36:01 <Diablo-D3> ran test on wrong copy
 670 2012-01-20 18:37:16 <Diablo-D3> using bitselect, 319
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 672 2012-01-20 18:38:18 <Diablo-D3> using bfi_int, 353
 673 2012-01-20 18:38:18 <Diablo-D3> heh
 674 2012-01-20 18:38:32 <luke-jr> on the new card?
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 676 2012-01-20 18:38:39 <Diablo-D3> no
 677 2012-01-20 18:38:41 <Diablo-D3> on my 5850
 678 2012-01-20 18:38:53 <Diablo-D3> I wanted to check if they fixed bitselect yet and they didnt
 679 2012-01-20 18:38:58 <luke-jr> I think only for 7xxx
 680 2012-01-20 18:39:06 <Diablo-D3> 7xxx seems to do it right
 681 2012-01-20 18:39:10 <Diablo-D3> in theory anyways
 682 2012-01-20 18:39:10 <diki> time to force them
 683 2012-01-20 18:39:20 <Diablo-D3> diki: we did, thats what bfi_int patching is for
 684 2012-01-20 18:39:31 <diki> no, force amd to fix their drivers
 685 2012-01-20 18:39:51 <Diablo-D3> not so easy dude
 686 2012-01-20 18:40:00 <Diablo-D3> the reason it isnt catching it right is due to obscure corner cases
 687 2012-01-20 18:40:15 <diki> Put up a video on youtube, saying you will kill your 5850, unless they fix the drivers
 688 2012-01-20 18:40:24 <diki> perhaps, they'd respond
 689 2012-01-20 18:40:30 <phantomcircuit> lol
 690 2012-01-20 18:40:30 <Diablo-D3> oh shut up diki
 691 2012-01-20 18:40:32 <Diablo-D3> just stop talking
 692 2012-01-20 18:40:39 <phantomcircuit> <-- lolin
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 694 2012-01-20 18:43:19 <diki> Diablo-D3:my suggestion is far better than "waiting" for it to get fixed
 695 2012-01-20 18:43:44 <Diablo-D3> you need tp learn what corner cases mean
 696 2012-01-20 18:43:51 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: by responding to diki, you do a disservice to all the people with him on /ignore
 697 2012-01-20 18:44:03 <Diablo-D3> good point
 698 2012-01-20 18:44:10 <Diablo-D3> problem solved.
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 707 2012-01-20 19:06:46 <TuxBlackEdo> I am having troubles getting boost to compile :-/
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 709 2012-01-20 19:07:49 <TuxBlackEdo> if anyone has some time to look at this http://pastebin.com/sVz64dgs
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 712 2012-01-20 19:10:40 <TuxBlackEdo> oh never mind
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 717 2012-01-20 19:14:32 <TuxBlackEdo> turns out you have to build bjam that comes with boost-1.4.3.0-mgw and not the prebuilt binary on sourceforge
 718 2012-01-20 19:15:05 <TuxBlackEdo> Go to tools/build/v2/engine, run build.bat mingw
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 720 2012-01-20 19:15:17 <TuxBlackEdo> Copy the b2.exe from bin.whatever to your boost directory. Try again.
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 726 2012-01-20 19:28:23 <BlueMatt> god 40 minutes to eat breakfast, get to north camps, 10 minutes to do the lab, and 15 minutes to walk back...
 727 2012-01-20 19:29:24 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: wanna read over my reference impl of CHV?
 728 2012-01-20 19:29:56 <BlueMatt> sorry, Im about to go beat on cblockstore
 729 2012-01-20 19:31:09 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt: I want to borrow your brain for a bit on MAX_BLOCK_SIGOPS...
 730 2012-01-20 19:31:17 <BlueMatt> go for it
 731 2012-01-20 19:31:48 <gavinandresen> So I was trying to figure out the worst possible transaction with respect to validation...
 732 2012-01-20 19:32:10 <BlueMatt> wait, first did you get my gribble msg?
 733 2012-01-20 19:32:11 <gavinandresen> ... and I think I might have convinced myself it is not bad enough that p2sh needs a separate check
 734 2012-01-20 19:32:15 <BlueMatt> on the subject?
 735 2012-01-20 19:32:45 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt: yes.  And yes, there are two separate ways, one for compatibly with old clients/miners and a new way
 736 2012-01-20 19:32:56 <gavinandresen> ... but I'm now thinking that the new way isn't necessary at all.
 737 2012-01-20 19:33:05 <BlueMatt> ok, continue
 738 2012-01-20 19:33:26 <gavinandresen> So, there are two relevant limits:  MAX_BLOCK_SIZE (1 MB) and MAX_BLOCK_SIGOPS (20,000)
 739 2012-01-20 19:34:05 <gavinandresen> MAX_BLOCK_SIGOPS is irrelevant if you can't somehow construct transactions in a small number of bytes that do lots of ECDSA signature check operations
 740 2012-01-20 19:35:13 <gavinandresen> CHECKMULTISIG is the way to get lots of ECDSA signature operations done:  if you do 1 ... 20 33-byte public keys... 20 CHECKMULTISIG  that's about as good as you can get
 741 2012-01-20 19:35:43 <BlueMatt> yep
 742 2012-01-20 19:35:49 <gavinandresen> ... although you could try to do something like    1  <pubkey1> <pubkey2>  DUP DUP DUP DUP DUP... etc 20 CHECKSIG
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 744 2012-01-20 19:36:15 <gavinandresen> A dumb implementation would check <pubkey2> against the signature 19 times (and fail) before maybe validating pubkey1
 745 2012-01-20 19:36:45 <gavinandresen> Actually, you could mine a block that relies on the CHECKMULTISIG failing, so you could get it down to one pubkey and 19 DUPs
 746 2012-01-20 19:37:23 <gavinandresen> ... about 50 bytes (using a 33-byte public key)
 747 2012-01-20 19:38:22 <gavinandresen> If the implementation was a little bit smarter and did a little caching then it could get away with just 1 or 2 checks.
 748 2012-01-20 19:38:52 <gavinandresen> (it would notice it has already checked <pubkey> against <signature> and the result was succeed/fail)
 749 2012-01-20 19:39:30 <gavinandresen> (that's a good idea anyway, because currently the code ECDSA checks when a transaction comes in and AGAIN when it gets into a block)
 750 2012-01-20 19:40:57 <gavinandresen> .... so maybe we don't have to worry about the DUP DUP DUP case.    And I don't see any other way of creating a valid-looking public key with the enabled opcodes; none of the HASH opcodes will make validly-encoded public keys.
 751 2012-01-20 19:41:57 <gavinandresen> I should back up and say the threat here is a rogue miner that mines and announces a block that is as expensive-to-validate-as-possible.  But is valid.
 752 2012-01-20 19:42:32 <gavinandresen> (their goal would be to keep the rest of the miners busy validating their block instead of mining the next block)
 753 2012-01-20 19:42:48 <CIA-76> DiabloMiner: Patrick McFarland master * rf18fe44 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix -vs, didn't like the new global vector array - http://git.io/FF3VmQ https://github.com/Diablo-D3/DiabloMiner/commit/f18fe4452fe33d9945d22b08188d70597558e86d
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 755 2012-01-20 19:43:51 <luke-jr> how big are compressed pubkeys again?
 756 2012-01-20 19:43:56 <gavinandresen> 33 bytes
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 758 2012-01-20 19:45:49 <roconnor> gavinandresen: my rogue relayer on testnet successfully relayed a transaction with a message prepended and it was successfully mined -- I'm sure this isn't a surprising result, but I think it was good to test.
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 760 2012-01-20 19:46:13 <roconnor> gavinandresen: I'm glad to see you are working towards dealing with it. :)
 761 2012-01-20 19:46:36 <gavinandresen> roconnor: yup...
 762 2012-01-20 19:46:49 <gavinandresen> (too much to do!)
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 764 2012-01-20 19:47:39 <roconnor> also new canadian $100 bill melt when close to a heat source ... unlike bitcoins.
 765 2012-01-20 19:48:04 <luke-jr> :o
 766 2012-01-20 19:48:08 <gavinandresen> I bet if you overclock your miner enough you can get your wallet to melt
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 768 2012-01-20 19:50:32 <gavinandresen> roconnor: can I borrow your brain, too?  Can you think of any enabled opcodes that could be used to produce a syntactically-correct-BER-encoded public key on the stack in fewer than 33 bytes?
 769 2012-01-20 19:50:56 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: ok, so why do you now want to remove the new check?
 770 2012-01-20 19:50:58 <roconnor> gavinandresen: I suspect so
 771 2012-01-20 19:51:22 <roconnor> hmm
 772 2012-01-20 19:51:57 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt: simpler rules are better, and if MAX_BLOCK_SIZE effectively limits the number of (unique) public key / signature ECDSA validations that are done then there's no need for another limit
 773 2012-01-20 19:52:10 <roconnor> gavinandresen: I mean that I suspect that public keys can simply be fewer than 33 bytes and still be accepted by openssl
 774 2012-01-20 19:52:21 <roconnor> maybe someone should test this.
 775 2012-01-20 19:52:28 <gavinandresen> roconnor: ah!  excellent point....
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 777 2012-01-20 19:53:33 <gavinandresen> Times like this I REALLY wish openssl was much better documented
 778 2012-01-20 19:53:55 <gmaxwell> new vanitygen feature... search for addresses with especially compact compact public keys.
 779 2012-01-20 19:53:56 <gavinandresen> (yes, pot calling the kettle black, bitcoin docs suck too)
 780 2012-01-20 19:54:12 <gmaxwell> gavinandresen: bitcoin 'snot a library!
 781 2012-01-20 19:54:20 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: it should be :p
 782 2012-01-20 19:55:38 <roconnor> okay my code requires exactly 32 bytes per coordinate, so 33 bytes for a compressed key.
 783 2012-01-20 19:56:41 <roconnor> but I was reading the EcDSA spec, ... which isn't what openSSL does.
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 792 2012-01-20 20:07:27 <gavinandresen> roconnor: If I'm reading the OpenSSL code correctly (possibly a bad assumption), anything other than 1 byte (point-at-infinity), 33 bytes (compressed) or 65 bytes (uncompressed) will generate an EC_R_INVALID_ENCODING error
 793 2012-01-20 20:08:52 <diki> "Congress withdraws SOPA, PIPA anti-piracy measures"
 794 2012-01-20 20:08:55 <diki> rejoice
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 798 2012-01-20 20:12:20 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: my problem with the second check is less of a against it and more of a I see the reasoning behind it, but since sigops are already counted enough its unnecessary
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 801 2012-01-20 20:12:37 <BlueMatt> yea, its still possible to make one narly tx
 802 2012-01-20 20:12:50 <BlueMatt> but if you didnt make that one narly tx, you would have 20 txes that add up to that one
 803 2012-01-20 20:13:02 <BlueMatt> and if you block that one tx, then the "attacker" will just make the 20
 804 2012-01-20 20:13:36 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt: again, the threat is a rogue miner that produces a block with thousands of gnarly p2sh transactions....
 805 2012-01-20 20:14:21 <gavinandresen> If they can force other miners to do 20 sigops in 50 bytes, they can produce a 1MB block that makes them do 400,000 sigops to validate it
 806 2012-01-20 20:14:45 <BlueMatt> yep, and correct me if Im wrong, but those would be counted already in the old way of counting?
 807 2012-01-20 20:15:10 <gavinandresen> No, the block could have zero sigops in the old way of counting.
 808 2012-01-20 20:15:41 <BlueMatt> well, I mean old way + modifying GetSigOps of CScript to calculate sigops in serialized p2sh scripts
 809 2012-01-20 20:15:54 <BlueMatt> not the new addition of counting the scriptPubKey of the prevout
 810 2012-01-20 20:16:11 <BlueMatt> (which is another problem I have with it, it is unrelated to p2sh and was added w/ p2sh)
 811 2012-01-20 20:16:32 <gavinandresen> Ah, I see what you're proposing:  sigop count for block would be LegacySigOpCount PLUS p2sh sigops (counted accurately)
 812 2012-01-20 20:16:52 <BlueMatt> yea
 813 2012-01-20 20:17:09 <gavinandresen> I see-- that would be simpler, and that would work.
 814 2012-01-20 20:17:25 <BlueMatt> I think p2sh sigops should be counted, but the scriptPubKey stuff, I think, is entirely unnecessary
 815 2012-01-20 20:18:37 <gavinandresen> which scriptPubKey stuff?
 816 2012-01-20 20:20:17 <gavinandresen> (you mean counting the sigops in two different ways, I assume....)
 817 2012-01-20 20:20:19 <BlueMatt> the new way of counting
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 820 2012-01-20 20:20:28 <gavinandresen> right.
 821 2012-01-20 20:20:32 <BlueMatt> (which counts prevout's scriptpubkey sigops)
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 823 2012-01-20 20:21:55 <gavinandresen> Well, I have to make the BIP clear about how the counting is done in any case... I think I like your idea better.
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 825 2012-01-20 20:25:16 <BlueMatt> does anyone have a windows box and feel like reproducing https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/718 ?
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 827 2012-01-20 20:34:21 <roconnor> gavinandresen: good
 828 2012-01-20 20:35:04 <gavinandresen> roconnor: good openssl is picky or good you like Matt's idea for counting block sigops better?
 829 2012-01-20 20:35:23 <roconnor> glld
 830 2012-01-20 20:35:26 <roconnor> bah
 831 2012-01-20 20:35:31 <roconnor> good that openssl is pickey
 832 2012-01-20 20:35:53 <gavinandresen> agreed...
 833 2012-01-20 20:36:17 <gavinandresen> I might have missed some magic BER-decoding-trick, though
 834 2012-01-20 20:36:31 <roconnor> pubkeys are not BER/DER
 835 2012-01-20 20:36:37 <roconnor> it is its own thing
 836 2012-01-20 20:36:49 <gavinandresen> Excellent.
 837 2012-01-20 20:37:08 <gavinandresen> signatures are BER/DER ?
 838 2012-01-20 20:37:18 <roconnor> yes
 839 2012-01-20 20:37:39 <gmaxwell> http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2012/01/microsoft-pimps-it-old-school-with-a-pricey-text-adventure-game.ars  hehe
 840 2012-01-20 20:37:44 <roconnor> their length can vary
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 845 2012-01-20 20:39:22 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: heh, thats a unique take on it
 846 2012-01-20 20:41:29 <gmaxwell> wtf. there really are 'achievements' in visual studio 0_o
 847 2012-01-20 20:45:23 <BlueMatt> yea, now they are just getting desperate, for what I dont even know
 848 2012-01-20 20:46:54 <gmaxwell> well, assuming they depend on the windows software development ecosystem being healthy— perhaps they can beat OSS if they can make windows developers more competent (or at least less likely to do risky things) than free software developers.
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 850 2012-01-20 20:48:12 <BlueMatt> I guess, but I wasnt aware they were losing, who develops for foss in a non-cross compilable manner?
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 852 2012-01-20 20:49:06 <gmaxwell> Lots of people. But moreover, windows is second class even in those development teams who do— and they certantly don't adopt mstf-lockinisms like windows developers do.
 853 2012-01-20 20:50:26 <BlueMatt> meh, if they are that desperate for developers a. theyve already lost and b. seriously achievements? they actually think thats gonna bring in more developers?
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 855 2012-01-20 20:52:49 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: not bring in more, make the ones they've got suck less.
 856 2012-01-20 20:53:40 <BlueMatt> heh, how do you algorithmically determine if your user sucks?
 857 2012-01-20 20:53:52 <BlueMatt> what "spend an hour testing" or something?
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 891 2012-01-20 21:47:56 <sipa> roconnor, gavinandresen: the encoding for pubkeys is dwf
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 893 2012-01-20 21:48:18 <sipa> mefined in the SEC document
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 896 2012-01-20 21:48:33 <sipa> ehm, defined
 897 2012-01-20 21:48:48 <sipa> indeed, 1, 33 or 65 bytes
 898 2012-01-20 21:49:03 <gavinandresen> sipa: what is "HYBRID" format?
 899 2012-01-20 21:49:30 <sipa> hmm, i vaguely remember reading about that
 900 2012-01-20 21:50:04 <gavinandresen> I'm trying to find it, it should be in ANSI X9.62 but that document costs $100 and I dont' want to know THAT badly....
 901 2012-01-20 21:51:59 <roconnor> sipa: not that OpenSSL follows it to the letter
 902 2012-01-20 21:53:06 <gavinandresen> "OctetString-to-EllipticCurvePoint Conversion" is on page 11 (eleven!) of the year 2000 SEC spec, but I don't see anything about a hybrid point conversion scheme
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 910 2012-01-20 22:01:52 <sipa> can't find it, indeed
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 912 2012-01-20 22:02:31 <denisx> I want to implement some API stuff for my pool, is there any standard to look at?
 913 2012-01-20 22:03:13 <luke-jr> denisx: HTTP is best :P
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 917 2012-01-20 22:09:21 <TuxBlackEdo> In file included from headers.h:84:0,  from checkpoints.cpp:8:  util.h:618:16: error: conflicting declaration 'typedef void* pthread_t'
 918 2012-01-20 22:09:35 <TuxBlackEdo> ...?
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 920 2012-01-20 22:10:00 <TuxBlackEdo> http://pastebin.com/jNa39wjw
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 923 2012-01-20 22:11:46 <TuxBlackEdo> just append -D__NO_SYSTEM_INCLUDES at the DEFS= in makefile.mingw
 924 2012-01-20 22:11:53 <TuxBlackEdo> solved my own problem
 925 2012-01-20 22:12:47 <TuxBlackEdo> yesss... finally
 926 2012-01-20 22:12:51 <TuxBlackEdo> I COMPILED BITCOIN
 927 2012-01-20 22:14:29 <Eliel> it's difficult?
 928 2012-01-20 22:14:44 <sipa> on windows, apparently it is
 929 2012-01-20 22:14:49 <gavinandresen> it ain't easy on windows....  patches welcome to fix that
 930 2012-01-20 22:15:48 <TuxBlackEdo> compiling boost took the whole morning
 931 2012-01-20 22:16:05 <TuxBlackEdo> why does bitcoin need such a clunky library
 932 2012-01-20 22:16:24 <sipa> you don't need the entire boost libraru
 933 2012-01-20 22:16:31 <gmaxwell> because it makes bitcoin itself much less clunky.
 934 2012-01-20 22:16:51 <sipa> it consists of several components, which can be compiled individually (and we only use a few)
 935 2012-01-20 22:17:01 <sipa> and indeed, boost adds a ton of useful things
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 937 2012-01-20 22:20:27 <TuxBlackEdo> wait i spoke too soon
 938 2012-01-20 22:20:44 <TuxBlackEdo> c:/mingw/bin/../lib/gcc/mingw32/4.6.2/../../../../mingw32/bin/ld.exe: cannot find -lboost_system-mgw45-mt-s-1_47
 939 2012-01-20 22:20:53 <TuxBlackEdo> but that just looks like another mingw error
 940 2012-01-20 22:21:33 <Eliel> well, just figure out how to tell mingw where your compiled boost is and you're fine :)
 941 2012-01-20 22:21:56 <sipa> TuxBlackEdo: search for a file with "boost_system" in its name
 942 2012-01-20 22:25:10 <TuxBlackEdo> C:\boost-1.47.0-mgw\bin.v2\libs\system\build\gcc-mingw-4.6.2\release\address-model-32\libboost_system-mgw46-1_47.dll
 943 2012-01-20 22:26:18 <sipa> than add -LC:\boost-1.47.0-mgw\bin.v2\libs\system\build\gcc-mingw-4.6.2\release\address-model-32 to the linker flags
 944 2012-01-20 22:26:23 <sipa> *then
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 946 2012-01-20 22:29:48 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: gavinandresen opened pull request 773 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/773>
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 950 2012-01-20 22:33:53 <TuxBlackEdo> sipa, wait i just found all the lib files in "C:\boost-1.47.0-mgw\stage\lib" which is already linked by src/makefile.mingw
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 952 2012-01-20 22:34:32 <sipa> TuxBlackEdo: you're using mingw 4.6
 953 2012-01-20 22:34:44 <sipa> the makefile is probably written for mingw 4.5
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 955 2012-01-20 22:34:58 <sipa> "mgw45" in the file name
 956 2012-01-20 22:35:35 <TuxBlackEdo> oh yeah
 957 2012-01-20 22:35:38 <TuxBlackEdo> thats right
 958 2012-01-20 22:36:04 <TuxBlackEdo> can i rewrite the makefile to change them all to mgw46?
 959 2012-01-20 22:36:08 <sipa> yes
 960 2012-01-20 22:36:14 <TuxBlackEdo> oh ok sweet thanks for the help
 961 2012-01-20 22:36:34 <sipa> once you get a fully functional makefile, please submit a patch
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 963 2012-01-20 22:36:59 <TuxBlackEdo> holy crao
 964 2012-01-20 22:37:03 <TuxBlackEdo> i got a bitcoind.exe
 965 2012-01-20 22:37:36 <gavinandresen> run it -testnet first....
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 967 2012-01-20 22:39:18 <TuxBlackEdo> yep it defineately works
 968 2012-01-20 22:39:34 <TuxBlackEdo> "protocolversion" : 60000,
 969 2012-01-20 22:39:43 <TuxBlackEdo> new getinfo stuff?
 970 2012-01-20 22:40:12 <gavinandresen> yup, and some stuff moved to a new 'getmininginfo'
 971 2012-01-20 22:40:44 <TuxBlackEdo> noice!!
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 974 2012-01-20 22:57:46 <luke-jr> TuxBlackEdo: don't mine on git master tho ;p
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 982 2012-01-20 23:38:57 <sipa> requests to my dns seed are rapidly increasing
 983 2012-01-20 23:39:03 <sipa> one very 10s now +-
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 985 2012-01-20 23:41:41 <gmaxwell> sipa: distribution of requests?
 986 2012-01-20 23:41:57 <sipa> in bursts of 2 (one NS, one A)
 987 2012-01-20 23:42:35 <gmaxwell> hm. so ns record not cached, I guess that answers my next question .. if it was coming from just a few recursive resolvers.
 988 2012-01-20 23:42:52 <sipa> 1
 989 2012-01-20 23:43:19 <gmaxwell> ah, someone might be using you for node enumeration.
 990 2012-01-20 23:43:23 <sipa> 1
 991 2012-01-20 23:43:29 <sipa> 1
 992 2012-01-20 23:43:51 <gmaxwell> Is it in .ua or China?
 993 2012-01-20 23:44:18 <gmaxwell> (all the obvious enumeratorish traffic I noticed before appeared to be .ua or china)
 994 2012-01-20 23:44:27 <sipa> 1
 995 2012-01-20 23:44:35 <sipa> i'm not logging them, just counting
 996 2012-01-20 23:44:46 <sipa> 2
 997 2012-01-20 23:45:11 <sipa> 1
 998 2012-01-20 23:45:35 <sipa> hmm, now that'm actively watching it, it seems there are fewer pairs of 2 than i thought
 999 2012-01-20 23:47:18 <gmaxwell> I had some fun in the past dropping a dnsseed name into a browser and hitting reload and looking at the different things that came up.
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