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40 2012-02-08 01:08:29 <Raccoon> is there no Import option for the standard bitcoin client wallet?
41 2012-02-08 01:08:40 <sipa> in 0.6 there will be
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43 2012-02-08 01:08:55 <Raccoon> thanks.
44 2012-02-08 01:09:28 <Raccoon> what about an option to cull a wallet of "old empties"
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46 2012-02-08 01:10:30 <riush> Raccoon: not advised. someone might still send money there
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48 2012-02-08 01:10:43 <riush> it would be nice to move old addresses to a 'trash' or something though
49 2012-02-08 01:10:58 <cjd> probably the best balance is to have an old-address-heap where you can dump them
50 2012-02-08 01:11:06 <Raccoon> riush: useful if you're utilizing the daemon for API services
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52 2012-02-08 01:11:20 <Raccoon> generating unique addresses for customers or merely potential customers
53 2012-02-08 01:11:24 <cjd> but /me doesn't have time to write it so shuts up
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56 2012-02-08 01:15:26 <Raccoon> cjd: very hard to set a display filter of addressess with contents, and ability to only export those?
57 2012-02-08 01:15:58 <Raccoon> multi-wallet support would headway what you suggested
58 2012-02-08 01:16:29 <Raccoon> removable devices
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60 2012-02-08 01:21:18 <Raccoon> in the API, what does the parameter [account] refer to?
61 2012-02-08 01:22:06 <Raccoon> a bitcoin address label? a wallet? or some sub structure in between (Wallet -> Accounts -> Addresses) ?
62 2012-02-08 01:23:30 <gmaxwell> Raccoon: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Accounts_explained
63 2012-02-08 01:23:50 <Raccoon> thanks
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135 2012-02-08 03:58:54 <CRichard> hi
136 2012-02-08 04:01:09 <CRichard> I have an idea w/r/t wallet security. Basically the user optionally sets 4 secret question/answers, any three of which can recover the wallet if the passphrase or secret is lost
137 2012-02-08 04:01:58 <CRichard> if users are encouraged to use numbers from their documents (i.e. passport etc.) in these questions, it will virtually eliminate wallet loss
138 2012-02-08 04:02:35 <splatster> I think that this could be applied to 2 factor authentication of sort.
139 2012-02-08 04:02:52 <splatster> Something you know: Your existing encryption key
140 2012-02-08 04:03:00 <theymos> Not much entropy in the answers. Maybe if the answer was hashed billions of times to get the key.
141 2012-02-08 04:03:00 <splatster> Something you have: Your ID
142 2012-02-08 04:03:18 <splatster> theymos: Billions takes time
143 2012-02-08 04:03:30 <theymos> Yeah, you'd want each guess to take days.
144 2012-02-08 04:04:11 <CRichard> hm
145 2012-02-08 04:04:21 <theymos> I'm not a fan of question/answer schemes because the answers are usually super easy to get with a little research.
146 2012-02-08 04:04:27 <splatster> It would have to be -the most inefficient- hashing algo
147 2012-02-08 04:04:42 <splatster> That wallet cracking rigs are out of the question
148 2012-02-08 04:05:00 <onelineproof> keep paper backups
149 2012-02-08 04:05:08 <splatster> or that ^
150 2012-02-08 04:05:27 <CRichard> the way I was thinking of doing it was to simply break the user's wallet key into three parts, with some padding on them, then encrypt each part twice, once with one secret answer and once with another
151 2012-02-08 04:05:33 <gmaxwell> or you could just have the user record 12 normal randomly english words, and can have a good 128 bits of entropy, have them write it down a few times and put it someplace safe and secure, and not have to worry about all that.
152 2012-02-08 04:05:40 <CRichard> such that any three valid answers to the four questions unlocks the wallet key
153 2012-02-08 04:05:43 <onelineproof> also, memorize one complicated password, and use that to store encrypted backups in various locations in the world
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155 2012-02-08 04:05:49 <BlueMatt> I really prefer printable deterministic wallets
156 2012-02-08 04:05:54 <onelineproof> repeat that password every day
157 2012-02-08 04:06:00 <onelineproof> that's my plan
158 2012-02-08 04:06:01 <gmaxwell> And what BlueMatt says.
159 2012-02-08 04:06:12 <gmaxwell> onelineproof: hope you don't get hit on the head. :)
160 2012-02-08 04:06:41 <onelineproof> well if my brain fails, then I have more important things to worry about than money
161 2012-02-08 04:06:45 <gmaxwell> (yes, sounds like a movieâ in reality people sometime forget things they use every day even without being hit on the head!)
162 2012-02-08 04:06:49 <splatster> I think you could use the static password profile of a Yubikey to use a super complex randomly generated password for your wallet
163 2012-02-08 04:06:51 <onelineproof> anyway, theres still the paper backup...
164 2012-02-08 04:07:15 <gmaxwell> onelineproof: ah, wasn't clear to me that your paper backups weren't encrypted with the same key. Fine enough.
165 2012-02-08 04:07:23 <splatster> BlueMatt: Armory does just that
166 2012-02-08 04:07:39 <BlueMatt> yep
167 2012-02-08 04:07:49 <BlueMatt> though I believe he is changing up the format
168 2012-02-08 04:07:52 <onelineproof> paper backups for individual bitcoin private keys as well as a paper backup for the master key to my encrypted stuff
169 2012-02-08 04:08:09 <BlueMatt> also, sipa has a working compatible version of armory's format
170 2012-02-08 04:08:14 <splatster> BlueMatt: But the old formats should still be usable
171 2012-02-08 04:08:22 <BlueMatt> (on bitcoind)
172 2012-02-08 04:08:30 <CRichard> talking to people who have heard about bitcoin, but don't use it, their main complaint is the ease of which they can lose their bitcoins by forgetting their password
173 2012-02-08 04:08:40 <CRichard> most people are used to the secret question/answer system
174 2012-02-08 04:08:47 <splatster> CRichard: Don't forget your password
175 2012-02-08 04:08:51 <NxTitle> >.<
176 2012-02-08 04:08:59 <CRichard> well yes, thats well and good but people are quite imperfect
177 2012-02-08 04:09:03 <gmaxwell> CRichard: those systems are horribly insecure, for the most part.
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179 2012-02-08 04:09:11 <NxTitle> I had a 6 year old gmail account that had a strong password (afterchanging it)
180 2012-02-08 04:09:12 <CRichard> rules of interface design #1: make it forgiving to mistakes
181 2012-02-08 04:09:16 <gmaxwell> CRichard: then simply write down the secret. There is nothing wrong with that.
182 2012-02-08 04:09:24 <splatster> I could look at your facebook for such questions
183 2012-02-08 04:09:28 <smickles> if you think you might forget your password, write it down and put that in a safe deposit box :|
184 2012-02-08 04:09:32 <splatster> Where were you born?
185 2012-02-08 04:09:34 <splatster> easy
186 2012-02-08 04:09:34 <NxTitle> and the security question on it was "what's your frequent flyer number" and my friend managed to hack into it because my answer was apparently "1"
187 2012-02-08 04:09:34 <gmaxwell> CRichard: or don't use encryption with bitcoin. It's not a requirement. Has anyone really told you that?
188 2012-02-08 04:09:53 <NxTitle> ^ then hackers steal your coinz
189 2012-02-08 04:09:57 <CRichard> I know its not a requirement
190 2012-02-08 04:10:03 <CRichard> I'm not talking about me
191 2012-02-08 04:10:03 <NxTitle> because people can't help but download bucketloads of porn
192 2012-02-08 04:10:05 <gmaxwell> CRichard: people losing their passphrase was a major concern of mine when the functionality was added, but I never actually expected a user to be concerned about it (until it was too late)
193 2012-02-08 04:10:14 <CRichard> developers have no problems with keeping their encryption strong and their passwords safe
194 2012-02-08 04:10:21 <CRichard> I'm talking about the public in general
195 2012-02-08 04:10:31 <splatster> Write that shit down and put it a fucking safe
196 2012-02-08 04:10:34 <BlueMatt> for that we have printable wallets
197 2012-02-08 04:10:35 <splatster> problem solved
198 2012-02-08 04:10:39 <gmaxwell> NxTitle: wallet encryption provides very little protection (though not none) against hackers.
199 2012-02-08 04:10:44 <splatster> or use printable wallet backups
200 2012-02-08 04:11:04 <NxTitle> keylogger will steal it anyways
201 2012-02-08 04:11:04 <splatster> gmaxwell: Whaaaaaat?
202 2012-02-08 04:11:12 <CRichard> no, not at all
203 2012-02-08 04:11:19 <splatster> </sarcasm>
204 2012-02-08 04:11:19 <NxTitle> everyone should just have bitcoin wallets on dedicated devices
205 2012-02-08 04:11:22 <CRichard> take a hint from games like runescape
206 2012-02-08 04:11:23 <gmaxwell> CRichard: I know the general public will not remember keys. I was quite vocal that I expected more coins to be lost due to forgetting than theftâ but if people are actually worried, this is a sign I might be wrong.
207 2012-02-08 04:11:28 <CRichard> you can have a mouse entered pin
208 2012-02-08 04:11:33 <CRichard> where the locations of the digits move
209 2012-02-08 04:11:38 <gmaxwell> CRichard: not helpful at all.
210 2012-02-08 04:11:42 <splatster> Moral of the story: entirely paper wallets
211 2012-02-08 04:11:48 <gmaxwell> CRichard: the trojan will simply yank it right out of memory.
212 2012-02-08 04:11:51 <gmaxwell> Alas.
213 2012-02-08 04:11:51 <smickles> 'cause screen readers don't exist
214 2012-02-08 04:12:07 <NxTitle> gmaxwell: it'll stop generic keyloggers from getting it, at the very least
215 2012-02-08 04:12:13 <NxTitle> so it does help, but doesn't solve it
216 2012-02-08 04:12:20 <CRichard> that is true, a very specialized trojan could
217 2012-02-08 04:12:26 <gmaxwell> (worseâ a pin pad thing would severely discourage passwords strong enough to withstand even the weakest search)
218 2012-02-08 04:12:38 <splatster> 0000
219 2012-02-08 04:12:39 <splatster> 0001
220 2012-02-08 04:12:41 <splatster> 0002
221 2012-02-08 04:12:44 <splatster> ...
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223 2012-02-08 04:12:47 <splatster> not hard
224 2012-02-08 04:12:47 <gmaxwell> NxTitle: no, it's actually counterproductive due to the above. And there is _already_ specialized wallet stealing stoftware.
225 2012-02-08 04:12:53 <NxTitle> we should store all of our money on MyBitcoin
226 2012-02-08 04:12:55 <NxTitle> there, problem solved
227 2012-02-08 04:13:07 <CRichard> trusted third party
228 2012-02-08 04:13:09 <gmaxwell> Having no money does prevent people from stealing it.
229 2012-02-08 04:13:11 <splatster> NxTitle: That worked out
230 2012-02-08 04:13:14 <NxTitle> :P
231 2012-02-08 04:13:20 <splatster> gmaxwell: Exactly
232 2012-02-08 04:13:37 <splatster> Use a paper wallet.
233 2012-02-08 04:13:41 <smickles> buy that casascius 1oz gold coin
234 2012-02-08 04:13:43 <smickles> ^
235 2012-02-08 04:13:46 <splatster> ya
236 2012-02-08 04:13:56 <NxTitle> and throw it over the internet
237 2012-02-08 04:14:02 <gmaxwell> CRichard: are there any posts, messages or anything you can link me to where people are expressing concern about the risk of forgetting passwords?
238 2012-02-08 04:14:05 <splatster> But paper wallets don't come at a premium
239 2012-02-08 04:14:25 <CRichard> gmaxwell, I heard on a radio station in the US a few weeks ago when they were discussing it
240 2012-02-08 04:14:28 <CRichard> the host brought it up
241 2012-02-08 04:14:28 <smickles> splatster: but i drool for that coin
242 2012-02-08 04:14:40 <CRichard> marc stevens show
243 2012-02-08 04:14:44 <splatster> smickles: What of his coins do you already have?
244 2012-02-08 04:14:52 <gmaxwell> CRichard: Any idea what station? okay. I'll see if I can find a copy of it. Thanks!
245 2012-02-08 04:14:58 <CRichard> np
246 2012-02-08 04:15:02 <smickles> splatster: series 1 ;)
247 2012-02-08 04:15:38 <splatster> I have a couple series one and two 1 BTC coins and a 25 BTC coin with a series two hologram
248 2012-02-08 04:16:01 <CRichard> so just how much leeway does a trojan have thesedays... can it arbitrarily read the memory of another process in win7?
249 2012-02-08 04:16:04 <splatster> I think the series 2 actually looks nicer than the series one
250 2012-02-08 04:16:05 <CRichard> or only the screen?
251 2012-02-08 04:16:20 <splatster> If it's windows, it can get at anything
252 2012-02-08 04:16:21 <smickles> ooh, nifty splatster, i'll catch up to you one day
253 2012-02-08 04:16:58 <splatster> I'm gonna build a display case for that shit
254 2012-02-08 04:16:58 <CRichard> @splatster: do you know much about win7 security layer?
255 2012-02-08 04:16:59 <gmaxwell> CRichard: Yes.
256 2012-02-08 04:17:15 <CRichard> doesn't it need admin rights to do that now?
257 2012-02-08 04:17:19 <gmaxwell> CRichard: because we have to assume the trojan has managed to get itself superuser rights. Alas.
258 2012-02-08 04:17:25 <CRichard> ah
259 2012-02-08 04:17:25 <splatster> windows doesn't do admin rights
260 2012-02-08 04:17:44 <splatster> At least not really
261 2012-02-08 04:17:57 <gmaxwell> splatster: they've worked really hard at thatâ but it's like plugging a dam. :)
262 2012-02-08 04:18:21 <splatster> gmaxwell: *it's like plugging a dam with chewing gum
263 2012-02-08 04:18:34 <BlueMatt> windows admin rights arent like plugging a dam, its more like plugging a river
264 2012-02-08 04:18:39 <CRichard> well if we assume the trojan is either in the kernel or has special rights then I don't think there's a solution
265 2012-02-08 04:18:42 <gmaxwell> Hell, try plugging a dam with 50 people and a backhoe. It's still not easy. :)
266 2012-02-08 04:18:53 <gmaxwell> CRichard: there is. Tada. :)
267 2012-02-08 04:19:03 <gmaxwell> CRichard: Two-factor wallets.
268 2012-02-08 04:19:06 <CRichard> I mean once you get to the point where you can see and edit any memory in any process you can just change the cpu instructions and do as you please
269 2012-02-08 04:19:11 <gmaxwell> Which we're in the slow process of deploying.
270 2012-02-08 04:19:21 <BlueMatt> (bip16 was a part of that)
271 2012-02-08 04:19:36 <CRichard> how does two factor encryption solve the problem?
272 2012-02-08 04:20:01 <FROTUSCI> no wallet, n oproblem
273 2012-02-08 04:20:07 <gmaxwell> With a two-factor wallet you can have a wallet which requires multiple signaturesâ e.g. one from your desktop one from your smart phone, ... or one from your desktop, one from a service that SMSes you first.
274 2012-02-08 04:20:31 <CRichard> ah I see
275 2012-02-08 04:20:55 <BlueMatt> we need split-able deterministic wallets
276 2012-02-08 04:20:59 <CRichard> thats quite clever
277 2012-02-08 04:20:59 <gmaxwell> (the system is more general and can support things like two of three, or (A and B) or C.
278 2012-02-08 04:21:03 <gmaxwell> )
279 2012-02-08 04:21:45 <gmaxwell> CRichard: so even if both your desktop and phone are compromisedâ if the same badguy doesn't control both, you should be okay. :)
280 2012-02-08 04:21:59 <splatster> *it's like plugging a dam filled with liquid helium at superfluid temperature
281 2012-02-08 04:22:29 <CRichard> it's a good solution
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283 2012-02-08 04:23:06 <BlueMatt> splatster: thats about right
284 2012-02-08 04:23:55 <gmaxwell> CRichard: it'll be a while (6-9 months probably) before it's really ready for most users.. but the basic functionality is now available as a CLI only feature in the 0.6 release candidate stuff.
285 2012-02-08 04:24:06 <FROTUSCI> nice
286 2012-02-08 04:24:14 <splatster> 0.6 is already RC?
287 2012-02-08 04:24:18 <BlueMatt> yea
288 2012-02-08 04:24:22 <BlueMatt> though no builds yet
289 2012-02-08 04:24:28 <splatster> awww
290 2012-02-08 04:24:30 <splatster> damn
291 2012-02-08 04:24:53 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/bitcoin-0.6.0/test/
292 2012-02-08 04:24:53 <CRichard> would you be introducing a two wallet system? Like a safe and a purse?
293 2012-02-08 04:25:01 <CRichard> so you can still spend without two factor, for small amounts
294 2012-02-08 04:25:03 <splatster> Are there -any- UI changes in 0.6
295 2012-02-08 04:25:08 <BlueMatt> oh, damn did gavin do gitian builds?
296 2012-02-08 04:25:14 <gmaxwell> splatster: some UI fixes.
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298 2012-02-08 04:25:28 <splatster> gmaxwell: But does it look the same?
299 2012-02-08 04:25:33 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: it's still not official yet, gavin was asking for any comments on the readme.
300 2012-02-08 04:25:44 <BlueMatt> well first it says "NEW FEATURES SINCE BITCOIN VERSION 0.5"
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302 2012-02-08 04:26:16 <gmaxwell> CRichard: Yes, you'd be able to have both at once. I don't think anyone has talked about what they're thinking the UI would be like.
303 2012-02-08 04:26:55 <etotheipi_> splatster, did you see on the forum that someone added extra detail to Armory compiling on OSX?
304 2012-02-08 04:27:06 <splatster> etotheipi_: No...
305 2012-02-08 04:27:07 <BlueMatt> oh, also did the cmd parsing changes change bitcoind's upnp default to on?
306 2012-02-08 04:27:10 <splatster> I will go check it out
307 2012-02-08 04:27:14 <etotheipi_> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=56424.msg735527#msg735527
308 2012-02-08 04:27:47 <etotheipi_> I updated the code based on Joric's findings, then this guy modified the instructions with his own experience
309 2012-02-08 04:27:57 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: we really should document all these defaults someplace other than the code, I'd totally forgotten UPNP was only default for the GUI.
310 2012-02-08 04:28:08 <BlueMatt> heh
311 2012-02-08 04:28:19 <BlueMatt> yea, help output needs some help
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313 2012-02-08 04:28:49 <BlueMatt> we still need a big long comment with all the undocumented options for developer reference
314 2012-02-08 04:28:51 <gmaxwell> A lot of people have never seen help on bitcoind due to the cli multiplexing.
315 2012-02-08 04:29:04 <gmaxwell> yea. Logtimestamps <3
316 2012-02-08 04:29:24 <CRichard> @gmaxell, thanks for the info
317 2012-02-08 04:29:24 <BlueMatt> why isnt logtimestamps default?
318 2012-02-08 04:29:27 <etotheipi_> gmaxwell, I have more information on that tx that the Satoshi client produced that was invalid
319 2012-02-08 04:29:34 <BlueMatt> (other than threading issues)
320 2012-02-08 04:29:48 <etotheipi_> I figured out why it's invalid, and it definitely looks like a Satoshi-client bug
321 2012-02-08 04:29:57 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: makes it profitable for logfile stealing ninjas to gather logs to deanonymize people
322 2012-02-08 04:30:00 <FROTUSCI> peniz?
323 2012-02-08 04:30:08 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: oh, ofc
324 2012-02-08 04:30:23 <splatster> "Warning: It appears you have MacPorts or Fink installed."
325 2012-02-08 04:30:48 <splatster> I am going to just format this drive and start over at some point
326 2012-02-08 04:31:31 <BlueMatt> thats why you do everything in a vm -snapshots :)
327 2012-02-08 04:31:43 <FROTUSCI> im not gay man
328 2012-02-08 04:31:49 <FROTUSCI> stop msg'ing me
329 2012-02-08 04:32:27 <theymos> etotheipi_: Was it a double-spend?
330 2012-02-08 04:33:11 <splatster> You know when you see "ChanServ sets mode +o ____" someone is about to get kicked
331 2012-02-08 04:33:24 <BlueMatt> what other use does anyone use +o for?
332 2012-02-08 04:33:26 <etotheipi_> theymos, http://pastebin.com/2tTbEsit
333 2012-02-08 04:33:29 <BlueMatt> (aside from topics)
334 2012-02-08 04:33:43 molecular has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
335 2012-02-08 04:33:56 <splatster> BlueMatt: for +b
336 2012-02-08 04:33:59 <splatster> and -b
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338 2012-02-08 04:34:05 <etotheipi_> theymos, this transaction was zero-fee, spending every last Satoshi from my wallet
339 2012-02-08 04:34:20 <BlueMatt> splatster: meh, I prefer to not ban
340 2012-02-08 04:34:33 <etotheipi_> it looks like it somehow duplicated the top address, which doesn't appear to have ever been seen by the network
341 2012-02-08 04:34:40 <nanotube> CRichard: btw, about that 'security questions' bit... that's not really two factor. it's called 'wish it was two factor' [but really it isn't]. http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/WishItWas-TwoFactor-.aspx
342 2012-02-08 04:34:58 <etotheipi_> theymos, 1GJKutD has never been seen by the network, but 1KWffnjs has the amount it claims in the screenshot
343 2012-02-08 04:35:12 <gmaxwell> :-/
344 2012-02-08 04:35:29 <theymos> Pretty strange. I've never heard of that before.
345 2012-02-08 04:35:36 <etotheipi_> oh, I just realized that it's not a duplicate
346 2012-02-08 04:35:41 <etotheipi_> it's very close, though
347 2012-02-08 04:36:15 <etotheipi_> That screenshot is from Armory, which keeps ending up with the tx everytime localhost rebroadcasts the tx...
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349 2012-02-08 04:36:46 <etotheipi_> I suppose there could be a problem with Armory (though I haven't seen such a problem before), so you could take the raw hex from the pastebin and examine the tx yourself
350 2012-02-08 04:36:48 <gmaxwell> etotheipi_: I expect that you sent it some junk transaction while developing that it now has in the wallet.
351 2012-02-08 04:37:06 <etotheipi_> gmaxwell, this has nothing to do with Armory
352 2012-02-08 04:37:14 <gmaxwell> And if it passed ismine on the front side it would try to do spend it with zero confirms.
353 2012-02-08 04:37:27 <splatster> etotheipi_: homebrew is making cryptopp
354 2012-02-08 04:37:29 <etotheipi_> it was only when I started using Armory (never imported any shared addresses), that I tried to empty my wallet into armory
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356 2012-02-08 04:38:02 <gmaxwell> etotheipi_: please don't be defensive. I wasn't blaming armory there.
357 2012-02-08 04:38:18 <etotheipi_> gmaxwell, I didn't mean to be defensive, I just wanted to be clear that there was no interaction between programs here
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360 2012-02-08 04:38:25 <etotheipi_> at least not as far as I can tell...
361 2012-02-08 04:38:31 <gmaxwell> I'm just suggesting a rational reason why your client would try to spend a non-existing transaction.
362 2012-02-08 04:38:58 <splatster> dun dun dun
363 2012-02-08 04:39:04 <etotheipi_> I don't know what you mean by "junk transaction?"
364 2012-02-08 04:39:19 <gmaxwell> etotheipi_: who knows, something which could never confirm for whatever reason.
365 2012-02-08 04:39:33 <etotheipi_> I definitely sent transactions from Armory to my Satoshi wallet...
366 2012-02-08 04:40:00 <gmaxwell> The client will attempt to spend zero-confirmed inputs which it believes it made "itself", if it needs to do so to get the amount requested.
367 2012-02-08 04:40:01 <etotheipi_> but how did the Satoshi client decide it was isMine?
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370 2012-02-08 04:40:33 <etotheipi_> I don't think I ever imported any of my satoshi addresses to Armory
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372 2012-02-08 04:40:46 <etotheipi_> I wouldn't because I know that stupid shit can happen...
373 2012-02-08 04:40:48 Hunner has left (" ")
374 2012-02-08 04:41:05 <etotheipi_> (perhaps I did and simply forgot...)
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376 2012-02-08 04:41:41 <gmaxwell> (well really, IsFromMe() + IsMine() in this case...)
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378 2012-02-08 04:42:26 <gmaxwell> etotheipi_: soâ the criteria appears to be that the prev input passed IsMine.
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380 2012-02-08 04:42:32 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: did you ever figure out what the indeterminisms were from?
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382 2012-02-08 04:43:04 <gmaxwell> Ha. This actually constitutes a bit of a self inflicted trouble making vulnerability with the import function in bitcoin.
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386 2012-02-08 04:43:34 <gmaxwell> If I can convince people to import some key that I have.. I can send them crazy transaction and gum up their wallets.
387 2012-02-08 04:43:52 <gmaxwell> (well, mildly crazy)
388 2012-02-08 04:44:45 <gmaxwell> etotheipi_: in any case, if this is the cause then at the time your stuck txn was generated your reference client wallet would have had to had the input there.
389 2012-02-08 04:45:02 <gmaxwell> etotheipi_: can you see if there is more than the one transaction in listtransactions with zero confirmations?
390 2012-02-08 04:45:55 <etotheipi_> actually, if that 1GJKutDW address was mine, it would show up with a walletID
391 2012-02-08 04:46:16 <etotheipi_> okay, let me see if I remember how to use the RPC interface...
392 2012-02-08 04:46:25 <theymos> Can you dump b3dfaa0?
393 2012-02-08 04:46:57 <gmaxwell> etotheipi_: ./bitcoind listtransactions (perhaps with a "" 1000 tossed on for fun)
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395 2012-02-08 04:47:17 <splatster> etotheipi_: homebrew is installing qt
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397 2012-02-08 04:47:24 <etotheipi_> splatster, that's good news
398 2012-02-08 04:47:30 <splatster> s/installing/downloading/
399 2012-02-08 04:47:45 <splatster> after that it's just pyqt
400 2012-02-08 04:48:04 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: probably the time. I don't know anything about your faketime lib
401 2012-02-08 04:48:07 <splatster> then some other steps and then actually building armory
402 2012-02-08 04:48:25 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: did you diff the files?
403 2012-02-08 04:48:36 <splatster> 25% done with the download! FUCK YEA!
404 2012-02-08 04:48:42 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: they were significantly different. the first few were clearly timestamps though
405 2012-02-08 04:48:50 <splatster> This is gonna take forever
406 2012-02-08 04:48:59 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: were any of the contained files different?
407 2012-02-08 04:49:00 <splatster> and ever
408 2012-02-08 04:49:09 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: yes of course
409 2012-02-08 04:49:13 <splatster> all the way to â
410 2012-02-08 04:49:15 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: oh, damn
411 2012-02-08 04:49:22 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: can you upload yours?
412 2012-02-08 04:49:26 <luke-jr> sure
413 2012-02-08 04:49:46 <etotheipi_> gmaxwell, there's only a few transactions that show up with "listtransactions"
414 2012-02-08 04:49:59 <luke-jr> http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/code/bitcoin-deps-0.0.2.tbz2 in 30 seconds
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416 2012-02-08 04:51:21 <etotheipi_> how do I get the zero-conf tx out of it?
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423 2012-02-08 04:54:09 <gmaxwell> etotheipi_: is there more than one? (even if you give a "" 1000 argument to listtransactions)
424 2012-02-08 04:54:21 <CRichard> for someone writing their own client, what would be the best avenue for research
425 2012-02-08 04:54:23 <etotheipi_> gmaxwell, I don't see any zero-conf tx
426 2012-02-08 04:54:25 <gmaxwell> etotheipi_: and to get it outâ there are "instructions" on the forum. It's mostly horrible. :)
427 2012-02-08 04:54:29 <splatster> twoot 75%
428 2012-02-08 04:54:29 <CRichard> should I just grab the official code you guys are working on?
429 2012-02-08 04:54:33 <splatster> woot*
430 2012-02-08 04:54:44 <gmaxwell> etotheipi_: none 0_o not even the one you keep rebroadcasting?
431 2012-02-08 04:55:25 <etotheipi_> listtransactions gives me a short list, with the lowest number of confirmations being 378
432 2012-02-08 04:55:28 <gmaxwell> CRichard: the reference client itself and the bitcoin wiki are the best information currently available..
433 2012-02-08 04:55:52 <gmaxwell> etotheipi_: if you give it an argument you can ask for more, it only gives 10 by default IIRC.
434 2012-02-08 04:55:56 <CRichard> does the reference client refer to the original or http://gitorious.org/bitcoin/bitcoind-stable/archive-tarball/v0.5.2#.tar.gz ?
435 2012-02-08 04:56:11 <XMPPwocky> \o/ now Bitkit relies on the actual payload to determine how long it is (not just the payload_length in the message header)
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438 2012-02-08 04:56:30 <etotheipi_> if I add "" 1000 it only gives me tx with 1000 conf or more
439 2012-02-08 04:56:33 <gmaxwell> CRichard: or really, the source hosted here: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin
440 2012-02-08 04:56:49 <CRichard> ok thanks
441 2012-02-08 04:57:36 <gmaxwell> etotheipi_: er, what version is that? "works for me"
442 2012-02-08 04:57:37 <etotheipi_> I have a tx with 50386 confirmations... I wonder if I can trust it
443 2012-02-08 04:57:51 <BlueMatt> probably not
444 2012-02-08 04:57:53 <gmaxwell> I don't remember that changing rhough.
445 2012-02-08 04:58:02 <theymos> Try gettransaction b3dfaa03828eb9cc698edc41f29544653662ae268de33331639c15499884b338
446 2012-02-08 04:59:31 <etotheipi_> version 0.5.0rc7-linux
447 2012-02-08 05:00:39 <etotheipi_> wtf? I tried that txid, both endians... I get nothing
448 2012-02-08 05:01:02 <etotheipi_> I'm really confused now
449 2012-02-08 05:01:40 <theymos> Do you have 6acfd032e78a94d7611b5a2b00f190bc0c970224b39817562f3b1f1a7de6c9ee?
450 2012-02-08 05:01:50 <gmaxwell> etotheipi_: listtransactions count argument works fine for me even back in 0.3.19.
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452 2012-02-08 05:03:11 <splatster> etotheipi_: Building pyqt
453 2012-02-08 05:03:54 <etotheipi_> I wonder if Armory somehow miscalculated the tx
454 2012-02-08 05:04:06 <etotheipi_> because that hash isn't showing up
455 2012-02-08 05:04:18 <etotheipi_> but I"m not seeing it with listtransactions either
456 2012-02-08 05:04:23 <etotheipi_> is there a way to look up by address?
457 2012-02-08 05:06:15 <etotheipi_> okay, even this tx itself is not showing up under listtransactions...
458 2012-02-08 05:06:31 <etotheipi_> so neither of them are showing up
459 2012-02-08 05:06:34 <gmaxwell> if you could get the count parameter working you could just look at all of them.
460 2012-02-08 05:07:00 <theymos> Grep wallet.dat for the hash. (Not sure which endianness it uses.)
461 2012-02-08 05:07:50 <etotheipi_> I just tried grepping both endiannesses... no dice
462 2012-02-08 05:08:03 <etotheipi_> and the tx that showed up are definitely main-network
463 2012-02-08 05:08:03 * Diablo-D3 slowly feels his brain melting
464 2012-02-08 05:08:14 <Diablo-D3> kernel hacking: its similar to doing drugs
465 2012-02-08 05:08:15 <etotheipi_> (other tx)
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467 2012-02-08 05:10:22 <etotheipi_> so not only is this invalid tx a mystery... but my client seems to be f***ed up
468 2012-02-08 05:10:35 <etotheipi_> but it clearly shows the tx on the UI
469 2012-02-08 05:10:48 <etotheipi_> but the UI gives me no way to examine the txid
470 2012-02-08 05:10:52 <theymos> Run bitcoin with -debug and double-click the tx in the UI.
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472 2012-02-08 05:11:45 <BlueMatt> 0.6 ui does
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474 2012-02-08 05:12:40 <etotheipi_> okay, this is getting weirder, I think
475 2012-02-08 05:13:48 <etotheipi_> I pasted the debug to the end of this pastebin: http://pastebin.com/6aD2MY0M
476 2012-02-08 05:14:04 <splatster> Holy SHIT!
477 2012-02-08 05:14:07 <etotheipi_> that 1GJKutDWn doesn't appear
478 2012-02-08 05:14:35 <splatster> damn
479 2012-02-08 05:14:46 <splatster> etotheipi_: "Fatal Python error: Interpreter not initialized (version mismatch?)"
480 2012-02-08 05:14:48 <etotheipi_> 8 debits, but only 7 addresses shown at the bottom
481 2012-02-08 05:14:57 <etotheipi_> splatster, what version of python?
482 2012-02-08 05:15:03 <splatster> etotheipi_: 2.7
483 2012-02-08 05:15:20 <splatster> etotheipi_: Should I try restarting or something?
484 2012-02-08 05:15:28 <etotheipi_> splatster, I guess it couldn't hurt
485 2012-02-08 05:15:33 <etotheipi_> but that's probably not it
486 2012-02-08 05:15:47 <splatster> What if my uptime is 22d 10h?
487 2012-02-08 05:16:06 <etotheipi_> I don't know...
488 2012-02-08 05:16:16 <splatster> ok be back in a few
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491 2012-02-08 05:16:46 <etotheipi_> theymos, so why does the debug show 8 debits and 8 CTxIn's, but only 7 addresses under "Inputs"?
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497 2012-02-08 05:18:49 <theymos> I don't know. I don't think wxbitcoin would have done this. Maybe things changed in qt.
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499 2012-02-08 05:19:51 <gmaxwell> presumably because you don't have one of the inputs.
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502 2012-02-08 05:20:07 <gmaxwell> so it can't resolve it to print things about it.
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505 2012-02-08 05:20:37 <gmaxwell> etotheipi_: you've never removed a key from this wallet, have you?
506 2012-02-08 05:21:18 <etotheipi_> gmaxwell, I don't know how
507 2012-02-08 05:21:33 <etotheipi_> I avoid messing with Satoshi wallets at all costs
508 2012-02-08 05:21:51 <gmaxwell> You can't except via voodoo. Okay.
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510 2012-02-08 05:22:05 <gmaxwell> etotheipi_: woah wait.
511 2012-02-08 05:22:24 <gmaxwell> how is armory giving a 'sender' for that mystery input. You said that transaction didn't exist?
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513 2012-02-08 05:22:33 <gmaxwell> You can't know a sender for a non-existing transaction!
514 2012-02-08 05:23:02 <etotheipi_> it probably picked it up from the signature
515 2012-02-08 05:23:08 <etotheipi_> err.. public key in the sig
516 2012-02-08 05:23:53 <gmaxwell> ah, sender was meaning something else to me there....
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518 2012-02-08 05:24:53 <etotheipi_> yeah, I have a getTxInAddressIfAvail method
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523 2012-02-08 05:26:15 <BlueMatt> whats with all the net splits tonight?
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525 2012-02-08 05:27:04 <etotheipi_> gmaxwell, ... actually that method isn't used here... it looks like it *is* pulling it from a previous output
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530 2012-02-08 05:31:40 <etotheipi_> okay, nevermind, I was looking at the wrong code: it's definitely getting the address from the sigscript field
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532 2012-02-08 05:31:49 <gmaxwell> whew okay.
533 2012-02-08 05:32:31 <splatster> etotheipi_: Same error
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535 2012-02-08 05:33:09 <etotheipi_> splatster, google it... I can't really help but I'm sure you're not the first person to have this issue
536 2012-02-08 05:33:57 <etotheipi_> gmaxwell, I can't find the address in my "Receive coins" list or my "Address Book"
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538 2012-02-08 05:34:42 <etotheipi_> gmaxwell, I don't *think* I did this... but what would happen if I sent money to an address in the memory pool?
539 2012-02-08 05:35:33 <gmaxwell> Sent to? .. then .. you'd send to it. I suspect I'm not following you!
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541 2012-02-08 05:36:08 <etotheipi_> I'm pretty sure I've printed out my wallet addresses before (like when I was searching the wallet when finding the 0.4.0 encryption bug)
542 2012-02-08 05:36:30 <etotheipi_> what if I inadvertantly used one of the memory pool addresses to send money to the Satoshi client?
543 2012-02-08 05:36:58 <etotheipi_> I'm really stretching, here
544 2012-02-08 05:37:11 <gmaxwell> How would you have done that? .. oh you mean imported it? and sent from it bogusly?
545 2012-02-08 05:37:25 <etotheipi_> I don't know how my client offered a valid signature (is it valid?) from an address it doesn't have
546 2012-02-08 05:37:38 <etotheipi_> no importing...
547 2012-02-08 05:37:54 <etotheipi_> just printed out the bank of unseen 100 mem pool addresses
548 2012-02-08 05:37:59 <etotheipi_> and then sent money to one of them
549 2012-02-08 05:38:09 <gmaxwell> oh keypool.
550 2012-02-08 05:38:16 <etotheipi_> err.. keypool
551 2012-02-08 05:38:17 <gmaxwell> It's fine to send money to those.
552 2012-02-08 05:39:15 <etotheipi_> is there a way to clear the satoshi client memory pool so I could unlock those txOuts?
553 2012-02-08 05:39:22 <gmaxwell> My best theory was that some transaction went into the client it couldn't spend but it believed (1) it belonged to it, (2) "it" generated it (came from address that passed IsMine), .. then when you emptied it it tried to use it.. since then its decided that it doesn't really have that input (the result of a rescan)?
554 2012-02-08 05:39:33 <etotheipi_> I'm curious, if I try to dump my entire wallet again, if it happens again
555 2012-02-08 05:39:37 <gmaxwell> etotheipi_: it's not in the memory pool. It's in the wallet.
556 2012-02-08 05:39:40 <BlueMatt> sipa: do you have to define _WIN32_WINNT in netbase.h?
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559 2012-02-08 05:40:23 <etotheipi_> so zero-conf tx are saved in the wallet?
560 2012-02-08 05:40:24 <gmaxwell> With the client offline, copy off the wallet.dat (please do keep a copy of the weird one), restore some old one that has the same keys.
561 2012-02-08 05:40:27 <gmaxwell> etotheipi_: yes.
562 2012-02-08 05:40:29 <BlueMatt> (its already predefined in windef.h (from windows.h) in mingw
563 2012-02-08 05:40:51 <gmaxwell> (your own zero-conf tx.. the memory pool is not saved. it's .. in memory!)
564 2012-02-08 05:41:25 <etotheipi_> gah, I'm going to have to deal with this tomorrow
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566 2012-02-08 05:41:42 <etotheipi_> I need to get up "early" tomorrow
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568 2012-02-08 05:42:07 <gmaxwell> oh, good point. Goodnight!
569 2012-02-08 05:42:27 <etotheipi_> although I am curious how it is a value that so closely resembles that other address, which is legit
570 2012-02-08 05:42:33 <BlueMatt> ;;later tell gavinandresen can you merge https://github.com/TheBlueMatt/bitcoin/commit/490bef8bff62bebf5236ae271c2ac3fb4e849bbb before 0.6, I hate having compile warnings in release builds
571 2012-02-08 05:42:34 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
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573 2012-02-08 05:42:56 <gmaxwell> etotheipi_: I don't think it's that close, I think you're seeing patterns. :)
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579 2012-02-08 05:44:49 <etotheipi_> is there a way to definitively check whether that address exists in my wallet?
580 2012-02-08 05:45:02 <etotheipi_> or rather, that my wallet has the private key for it?
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586 2012-02-08 05:46:00 <splatster> etotheipi_: Please look at the call stack: http://pastebin.com/WiTKtaVG
587 2012-02-08 05:46:24 <gmaxwell> etotheipi_: attempt to dump the private key.
588 2012-02-08 05:46:32 <splatster> CppBlockUtils is in some way related to the crash
589 2012-02-08 05:46:33 <gmaxwell> (dumpprivkey rpc)
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591 2012-02-08 05:46:50 <etotheipi_> gmaxwell, that's part of 0.5.0?
592 2012-02-08 05:47:27 <etotheipi_> splatster, none of that makes sense to me... besides the possibility that you're on a 32-bit OS trying to run a 64-bit app
593 2012-02-08 05:47:34 <etotheipi_> or vice versa
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595 2012-02-08 05:48:29 <etotheipi_> splatster, did you run the export commands as it said in the post?
596 2012-02-08 05:48:37 <gmaxwell> alas, no I guess not. I'm not actually sure of a way to answer that question in 0.5
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598 2012-02-08 05:48:41 <splatster> etotheipi_: Any thougts?
599 2012-02-08 05:48:41 <splatster> Should I re-clone the git repo?
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601 2012-02-08 05:49:09 <etotheipi_> splatster, does "uname -a" work in OSX?
602 2012-02-08 05:49:15 <etotheipi_> if so, tell me the output
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612 2012-02-08 05:51:58 <etotheipi_> splatster, btw, to get as far as you did, did you need any of Joric's original directions? are the directions that Torus posted sufficient alone? or do I need to merge them?
613 2012-02-08 05:52:15 <splatster> Re-re-re-re-retrying to build and run Armory
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615 2012-02-08 05:52:44 <etotheipi_> splatster, we'll talk more later, I *really* need to go to sleep
616 2012-02-08 05:52:58 <splatster> This is a broken record-ecord-ecord-ecord
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627 2012-02-08 05:54:19 <splatster> etotheipi_: Ya I will compile my own set of foolproof instructions based on my experiences and both of theirs
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629 2012-02-08 05:54:40 <splatster> Compiling...
630 2012-02-08 05:54:50 <etotheipi_> okay, I'll check-in tomorrow after work
631 2012-02-08 05:55:14 <splatster> I'll send you a MemoServ message if I get it to work
632 2012-02-08 05:55:20 <etotheipi_> btw, it looks like my memory-reduction activities are going smoothly
633 2012-02-08 05:55:27 <splatster> Cool
634 2012-02-08 05:55:37 <BlueMatt> arg, when people ask questions on the mailing list, I wish they came here instead
635 2012-02-08 05:55:59 <splatster> Why do people ask questions on the mailing list?
636 2012-02-08 05:56:06 <splatster> IRC is where it's at
637 2012-02-08 05:56:12 <etotheipi_> mmap is a lifesaver! I just don't know for sure if it's doing what I want, because my system has so much RAM, I think it puts it all in RAM anyway
638 2012-02-08 05:56:18 <BlueMatt> no offense to grarpamp, but asking what plans are for future client optimization doesnt really belong on the mailing list
639 2012-02-08 05:57:37 <splatster> etotheipi_: I'm sure you'll figure it out
640 2012-02-08 05:57:40 <etotheipi_> I need to test the solution on a system with much more limited RAM, to see if it lowers the cache appropriately
641 2012-02-08 05:57:49 <splatster> OS specific shit is the toughest to deal with
642 2012-02-08 05:58:19 <splatster> BlameGame
643 2012-02-08 05:58:22 <splatster> oops
644 2012-02-08 05:58:33 <etotheipi_> anyone know if there's anything I need to do explicitly to get MMAP to start freeing data? Or does it auto-detect available RAM and set cache-size appropriately?
645 2012-02-08 05:58:34 <splatster> sorry bout that
646 2012-02-08 05:59:23 <etotheipi_> it looks like I can mark regions "DONTNEED" and it will mark those for clean up... but if I never mark any of the mmap'd file as such, I assume it will start limiting the amount of cache it uses under memory pressure...?
647 2012-02-08 06:00:01 <splatster> In my experience, never trust things to perform in any sort of logical way
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649 2012-02-08 06:00:11 <splatster> It would make too much sense for it to do that
650 2012-02-08 06:00:15 <FROTUSCI-> bitcoin hashdos. discuss
651 2012-02-08 06:00:39 <etotheipi_> splatster, mmap is a very low-level, kernel-integrated method, used by almost every process on your system
652 2012-02-08 06:00:54 <splatster> damn same errors
653 2012-02-08 06:00:59 <etotheipi_> if anything would be super-intelligently optimized, I expect mmap would be
654 2012-02-08 06:01:02 <splatster> gotta make it into a binary
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656 2012-02-08 06:01:21 <FROTUSCI-> what do you mean back? ive been here for ages
657 2012-02-08 06:01:37 <BlueMatt> back making random comments?
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664 2012-02-08 06:10:21 <gargadons> I heard BlueMatt's mom sucked off a horse
665 2012-02-08 06:10:23 <amiller> who was it that was talking to me about homomorphic encryption and 'private' bitcoin with me yesterday
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667 2012-02-08 06:10:40 <amiller> damn
668 2012-02-08 06:10:51 <amiller> oh i have logs nvm
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672 2012-02-08 06:11:28 <SomeoneWeird> 0.o
673 2012-02-08 06:11:39 <BlueMatt> and no, I have nfc who that was
674 2012-02-08 06:14:28 <FROTUSCI-> amiller, we were chatting about that w/gmaxwell werent we
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676 2012-02-08 06:14:52 <FROTUSCI-> balance = g^a
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679 2012-02-08 06:18:01 <SomeoneWeird> g**a
680 2012-02-08 06:18:34 <SomeoneWeird> WEEEEEE
681 2012-02-08 06:18:38 <SomeoneWeird> creation kit came out i think
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691 2012-02-08 06:56:26 <is4tomj> Is there a good place to find sponsors for bitcoin-related sites?
692 2012-02-08 06:56:55 <is4tomj> I don't want to use an ad-network b/c I want to find sponsors for individual BTCUSD visualizations on my homepage.
693 2012-02-08 07:02:06 <AAA_awright> is4tomj: Probably advertising on your own website, then you attract sponsors who already use your product.
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766 2012-02-08 09:58:40 <sipa> ;;later tell BlueMatt i need that macro for getaddrinfo, so it has to be defined somewhere, and because of modularity, i prefer to do so where it is needed
767 2012-02-08 09:58:40 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
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781 2012-02-08 10:59:39 <Blitzboom> whatâs the status on BIP 16/17? did anything change yet?
782 2012-02-08 11:00:14 <sipa> http://blockchain.info/p2sh
783 2012-02-08 11:00:45 <Blitzboom> oh boy
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785 2012-02-08 11:02:18 <Blitzboom> and deepbit only wants to help when he already sees a majority, right
786 2012-02-08 11:03:07 <sipa> indeed...
787 2012-02-08 11:05:43 <Blitzboom> ok, thanks
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797 2012-02-08 11:45:27 <sipa> does anyone have any idea as to why StopNode() doesn't check whether ThreadOpenConnections is still running?
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800 2012-02-08 11:45:50 <sipa> it's been that way since at least v0.1.5
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854 2012-02-08 14:06:45 <amstan> is gavin in here? there's a reddit iama request for him: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/pftz8/iama_request_gavin_andresen_lead_developer_of_the/
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856 2012-02-08 14:09:56 <sipa> amstan: he comes here occassionally
857 2012-02-08 14:11:16 <sipa> ;;later tell gavinandresen < amstan> is gavin in here? there's a reddit iama request for him: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/pftz8/iama_request_gavin_andresen_lead_developer_of_the/
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866 2012-02-08 14:36:05 <cjd> hmm that's no good
867 2012-02-08 14:36:31 <cjd> Moron__ is now Idiot__, that's an IQ drop of 25 points :(
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869 2012-02-08 14:38:50 <Joric> you skipped imbecile (iq of 26-50)
870 2012-02-08 14:39:25 <Joric> moron -> imbecile -> idiot each loses ~25 iq on the way
871 2012-02-08 14:42:34 <cjd> oh indeed, it's worse than I thought
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874 2012-02-08 14:43:14 <sipa> at least he's honest
875 2012-02-08 14:43:44 <sipa> damn, i was wondering what this BTC-related domain he is on was... BTCentralplus.com
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877 2012-02-08 14:44:07 <cjd> heh
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884 2012-02-08 15:07:41 <Idiot__> hello cjd :)
885 2012-02-08 15:08:07 <Idiot__> oh i forgot about imbecile, my bad :)
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893 2012-02-08 15:19:28 <Idiot__> bitcoins up ;)
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899 2012-02-08 15:32:51 <Idiot__> bidcoins down
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924 2012-02-08 16:44:13 <k9quaint> Diablo-D3: you to make fancy gui for your slow miner!
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926 2012-02-08 16:45:35 <Diablo-D3> k9quaint: Im thinking about adding full fledged cluster support
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934 2012-02-08 17:09:57 <BlueMatt> ;;seen sipa
935 2012-02-08 17:09:57 <gribble> sipa was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 2 hours, 26 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <sipa> damn, i was wondering what this BTC-related domain he is on was... BTCentralplus.com
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940 2012-02-08 17:13:54 <BlueMatt_> sipa: mind putting it in a #ifndef after including windows.h then?
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942 2012-02-08 17:14:20 <sipa> why?
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944 2012-02-08 17:15:02 <sipa> i doubt it will still work then
945 2012-02-08 17:18:37 <BlueMatt_> sorry, hadnt read the code, I just assumed it was defined, not defined to something useful
946 2012-02-08 17:18:39 <BlueMatt_> one sec
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948 2012-02-08 17:19:16 <luke-jr> ugh, this DDoS is annoying
949 2012-02-08 17:19:24 <luke-jr> "Jeremy Miller: [12:01] If you are receiving a 20 Gbps attack the price would be $30,000/mo"
950 2012-02-08 17:21:07 <sipa> to do the attack, or to protect against it?
951 2012-02-08 17:21:22 <luke-jr> protect against
952 2012-02-08 17:21:30 <BlueMatt> you are getting a 20 Gbps ddos?
953 2012-02-08 17:21:33 <luke-jr> yes
954 2012-02-08 17:21:41 <BlueMatt> damn, that sucks
955 2012-02-08 17:21:46 <[eval]> ew
956 2012-02-08 17:22:01 <[eval]> eligius is? are other pools?
957 2012-02-08 17:22:37 <luke-jr> just Eligius afaik
958 2012-02-08 17:22:38 <[eval]> i did notice the last couple blocks have come fairly slowly :(
959 2012-02-08 17:22:48 <BlueMatt> thtats probably not why
960 2012-02-08 17:22:51 <luke-jr> ozcoin and BTCServ were wallet-stolen
961 2012-02-08 17:22:59 <[eval]> ozcoin too?!
962 2012-02-08 17:24:28 <BlueMatt> sipa: nvm, really #include "netbase.h" just needs moved up above uint256.h in util.h
963 2012-02-08 17:24:37 <BlueMatt> so that you wont redefine
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966 2012-02-08 17:26:54 <BlueMatt> ;;seen gavinandresen
967 2012-02-08 17:26:54 <gribble> gavinandresen was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 18 hours, 14 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <gavinandresen> I'm out for tonight, email or gribble me if you have comments on the 0.6 release notes
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974 2012-02-08 17:46:39 <topi`> luke-jr: maybe you need a custom firewall that would prefer connections from a whitelist (compiled from the best contributors' ips) and then accept other connections only when there are < N connection attempts per second
975 2012-02-08 17:46:57 <topi`> so it would still work for some under ddos
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977 2012-02-08 17:47:23 <luke-jr> topi`: 20 Gbit
978 2012-02-08 17:47:42 <BlueMatt> for some reason I doubt luke has a 20 Gbps port to his isps router to be able to even implement such a thing
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980 2012-02-08 17:51:41 <gmaxwell> topi`: you could just ask the provider to only permit tcp dport 22 and 80. .. but the provider doesn't want 20gbit/sec of junk traffic either.
981 2012-02-08 17:51:59 <gmaxwell> s/80/whatever port the pool is on/
982 2012-02-08 17:52:09 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: heck, blocking UDP would do it right now
983 2012-02-08 17:52:12 <BlueMatt> you just need to start rotating ips and rotating names pointing to those ips often enough that the ddos wont follow quickly enough
984 2012-02-08 17:52:20 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: they're in #Eligius
985 2012-02-08 17:52:24 <BlueMatt> also, point the dns names the ddos is targeted at at someone exiting
986 2012-02-08 17:52:33 <luke-jr> within minutes of announcing a new URI privately there, it gets attacked
987 2012-02-08 17:52:51 <BlueMatt> yea, but the botnet doesnt shift instantly
988 2012-02-08 17:53:02 <BlueMatt> it takes an hour or two for the ddos to ramp up
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990 2012-02-08 17:53:47 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: take the tor bundle out of torchat and let people reach you via tor hidden services?
991 2012-02-08 17:54:09 <gmaxwell> ls
992 2012-02-08 17:54:27 <BlueMatt> ;;seen genjix
993 2012-02-08 17:54:27 <gribble> genjix was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 1 day, 21 hours, 24 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <genjix> cya
994 2012-02-08 17:56:34 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: torchat?
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996 2012-02-08 17:59:40 <gmaxwell> IIRC torchat has packaged up a sort of single use tor implementation.
997 2012-02-08 18:01:08 <sipa> luke-jr: give each a different url :)
998 2012-02-08 18:02:36 <luke-jr> sipa: DDoS is IP-based
999 2012-02-08 18:02:54 BlueMatt has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
1000 2012-02-08 18:03:43 <sipa> ok, use 2 IPs, give each a different domain name, vary the A records of those domains over the two IPs, and see which one gets the DDoS :)
1001 2012-02-08 18:06:13 <Idiot__> i heard eligius pool is switching over to dos... isnt that a bit of an old o/s?
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1003 2012-02-08 18:08:24 <sipa> Idiot__: yeah, sure
1004 2012-02-08 18:08:46 <midnightmagic> luke-jr: Hrm. It is also possible that someone is running a relay from #eligius to another network via a gateway bot.
1005 2012-02-08 18:09:01 <midnightmagic> luke-jr: So the actual person might not be in #eligius at all..
1006 2012-02-08 18:11:52 <phantomcircuit> midnightmagic, unlikely
1007 2012-02-08 18:12:23 <midnightmagic> phantomcircuit: There are I2P relay bots in #bitcoin, #bitcoin-discussion, #bitcoin-dev, and about four other channels I am also in. It is not unlikely.
1008 2012-02-08 18:12:56 <phantomcircuit> no i mean it's unlikely that the person doing it has bothered
1009 2012-02-08 18:13:15 <midnightmagic> ah
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1042 2012-02-08 19:30:45 <Matoking> Git related question, can I/how can I commit changes without adding a new commit? Like, combining the commit with the previous commit?
1043 2012-02-08 19:31:15 <Matoking> Sorry if I sound unclear, Git is peeling off the little sanity I have left as we speak
1044 2012-02-08 19:31:30 <NxTitle> I don't believe you can
1045 2012-02-08 19:31:44 <NxTitle> well, you can but it's stupid complicated
1046 2012-02-08 19:31:46 <josephcp> do you mean git "rebase"?
1047 2012-02-08 19:31:48 <NxTitle> why do you want to do this?
1048 2012-02-08 19:31:50 <sipa> you can rebase them afterwards
1049 2012-02-08 19:32:09 <sipa> and rebase -i is quite easy
1050 2012-02-08 19:32:25 <NxTitle> o
1051 2012-02-08 19:32:29 <NxTitle> disregard me then
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1061 2012-02-08 19:43:45 <luke-jr> Matoking: git commit --amend
1062 2012-02-08 19:43:52 <luke-jr> Matoking: only works for the last commit
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1067 2012-02-08 19:56:02 <Matoking> git rebase -i has given me merging errors everytime I've tried it
1068 2012-02-08 19:56:20 <Matoking> I dunno if I'm just making it overly complicated
1069 2012-02-08 19:56:34 <Matoking> Well
1070 2012-02-08 19:56:37 <Matoking> Might as well try it again
1071 2012-02-08 19:57:50 <Matoking> What the heck
1072 2012-02-08 19:57:52 <Matoking> It worked this time
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1074 2012-02-08 20:00:17 <Matoking> I've got the pull request squashed into one commit
1075 2012-02-08 20:00:18 <Matoking> i think
1076 2012-02-08 20:00:31 <Matoking> Although it shows I've changed 87 files instead of 2
1077 2012-02-08 20:01:02 <Matoking> And those changed files are from commits that have been done on the main branch on the official bitcoin repository
1078 2012-02-08 20:01:49 <sipa> think you did something wrong there
1079 2012-02-08 20:02:00 <sipa> what did you rebase it against?
1080 2012-02-08 20:02:15 <Matoking> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/795/files#diff-55
1081 2012-02-08 20:02:26 <Matoking> It only has two changes to bitcoingui.h and .cpp
1082 2012-02-08 20:02:45 <Matoking> I pulled everything from the main bitcoin branch
1083 2012-02-08 20:02:49 <Matoking> On top of my own changes
1084 2012-02-08 20:02:51 <Matoking> Rebased them together
1085 2012-02-08 20:03:24 <Matoking> For example those translation file changes are from commits that are already in the main bitcoin repository
1086 2012-02-08 20:03:31 <Matoking> So why it's listing them in the pull request is beyond me
1087 2012-02-08 20:03:49 <sipa> seems you started from 0.6 code
1088 2012-02-08 20:03:56 <sipa> but rebased againt 0.5.99 code
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1092 2012-02-08 20:06:34 <Matoking> It already has all the changes that are in the main bitcoin branch at the moment plus the actual change
1093 2012-02-08 20:06:56 <Matoking> Either there is some technicality I haven't grasped yet or it's something else
1094 2012-02-08 20:06:58 <sipa> which command line did you use?
1095 2012-02-08 20:07:19 <Matoking> Git BASH as is
1096 2012-02-08 20:07:27 <sipa> ?
1097 2012-02-08 20:07:43 <Diablo-D3> git bash is some weird thing git for windows has
1098 2012-02-08 20:07:47 <sipa> git rebase -i <something>
1099 2012-02-08 20:07:50 <Diablo-D3> it spawns a functional bash prompt only useful for git
1100 2012-02-08 20:07:56 <sipa> ah
1101 2012-02-08 20:08:35 <sipa> but what rebase command did you use?
1102 2012-02-08 20:08:42 <Matoking> git rebase -i HEAD~2
1103 2012-02-08 20:08:49 <luke-jr> Matoking: you know, I *did* tell you howâ¦
1104 2012-02-08 20:08:58 <Matoking> Didn't work
1105 2012-02-08 20:09:09 <luke-jr> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/795#issuecomment-3829606
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1107 2012-02-08 20:09:57 <Matoking> Yes
1108 2012-02-08 20:09:59 <Matoking> Tried all that
1109 2012-02-08 20:10:07 <Matoking> Spawned a bunch of y/n prompts
1110 2012-02-08 20:10:44 <Matoking> The point is
1111 2012-02-08 20:10:56 <Matoking> The only difference between my branch and the official branch are a few lines of code
1112 2012-02-08 20:11:16 <Matoking> So I don't get it why it has a huge list of changes
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1115 2012-02-08 20:12:32 <luke-jr> Matoking: there is no prompts for the commadns I gave you
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1117 2012-02-08 20:15:24 <Matoking> Well
1118 2012-02-08 20:15:32 <Matoking> The timestamp seems to be 5 days ago instead of 23 hours ago
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1120 2012-02-08 20:15:42 <Matoking> Although the changes otherwise seem to be the same
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1129 2012-02-08 20:21:30 <Matoking> Well I'm off for now
1130 2012-02-08 20:21:42 <sipa> Matoking: se
1131 2012-02-08 20:21:44 <sipa> sec
1132 2012-02-08 20:21:52 <Matoking> Huh
1133 2012-02-08 20:22:15 <sipa> Matoking: rebase takes all commits along the path from your current point to the latest common ancestor of what you're rebasing against
1134 2012-02-08 20:22:26 <sipa> and puts those on top of the point you ask
1135 2012-02-08 20:22:52 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: Goonie opened issue 809 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/809>
1136 2012-02-08 20:22:53 <sipa> so what you've done now is made a patch against a version of the bitcoin repo from a few hours or days ago, with the same code
1137 2012-02-08 20:23:15 <sipa> do a git fetch upstream, and git rebase -i upstream/master
1138 2012-02-08 20:23:54 <Matoking> I'll just pick the only commit there is, no?
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1140 2012-02-08 20:24:11 <sipa> yes
1141 2012-02-08 20:24:30 <sipa> there should be only one, as everything before is shared history
1142 2012-02-08 20:24:36 <Matoking> And now it's warning about fast-forwarding
1143 2012-02-08 20:24:42 <Matoking> When I'm trying to pushit
1144 2012-02-08 20:25:13 <sipa> push it using -f
1145 2012-02-08 20:25:41 <Matoking> Oh sweet
1146 2012-02-08 20:25:45 <Matoking> Everything seems to be in order
1147 2012-02-08 20:25:48 <sipa> fast-forwarding means only adding commits, not removing/changing older ones
1148 2012-02-08 20:25:49 <Matoking> Thanks very much
1149 2012-02-08 20:25:58 <sipa> typically when you rebase, you need -f, as you are changing history
1150 2012-02-08 20:26:15 <Matoking> Well
1151 2012-02-08 20:26:42 <Matoking> I thought with git rebase the starting point was the latest commit and older commits which would be squashed in order to pack them into a single commit
1152 2012-02-08 20:27:22 <sipa> well, yes, but it picks its starting point automatically
1153 2012-02-08 20:27:32 <sipa> what you specify is where you want your commits to be put on top of
1154 2012-02-08 20:27:51 <Matoking> I used git rebase -i HEAD~2
1155 2012-02-08 20:28:14 <Matoking> Which I thought meant it picked the latest commit and the previous commit
1156 2012-02-08 20:28:19 <sipa> no
1157 2012-02-08 20:28:38 <sipa> it means picking all commits since HEAD~2, and putting them on top of HEAD~2
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1159 2012-02-08 20:28:52 <Matoking> Okay
1160 2012-02-08 20:29:00 <sipa> but you want your patch to be against the current head, not HEAD~
1161 2012-02-08 20:29:02 <sipa> but you want your patch to be against the current head, not HEAD~2
1162 2012-02-08 20:29:22 <Matoking> Well anyway
1163 2012-02-08 20:29:29 <Matoking> Thanks again, although it could have been a simple thing
1164 2012-02-08 20:29:38 <Matoking> I've been struggling with Git too much
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1172 2012-02-08 20:48:59 <luke-jr> wee, the FBI is involved now
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1176 2012-02-08 20:57:53 <tcatm> luke-jr: ?
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1178 2012-02-08 21:01:59 <gmaxwell> tcatm: persistant 20gbps DOS attack against eligius.
1179 2012-02-08 21:02:03 <luke-jr> tcatm: someone's DDoSing Eligius with over 20 Gbit/s
1180 2012-02-08 21:02:23 <gmaxwell> (apparently spoofed as coming from deepbit or slush at times)
1181 2012-02-08 21:02:27 <luke-jr> apparently started targetting nearby IPs, so the datacenter called the FBI
1182 2012-02-08 21:02:59 <phantomcircuit> feds wont care...
1183 2012-02-08 21:03:32 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: apparnetly last time this happened the guy went to jail
1184 2012-02-08 21:03:53 <phantomcircuit> you'd have to be monumentally retarded to get put in jail for a ddos
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1188 2012-02-08 21:13:43 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: Mindey opened issue 810 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/810>
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1213 2012-02-08 21:28:10 <nonverba> quick question, does one mining cycle count as two hashes or one? i ask because it runs SHA-2 twice per mining cycle... thanks :)
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1218 2012-02-08 21:30:31 <sipa> nonverba: one "hash" as in Mhash/s, is a double-SHA256
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1222 2012-02-08 21:31:26 <nonverba> gotcha thanks
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1225 2012-02-08 21:33:45 <phantomcircuit> sipa, it's more like 1.5 sha256 operations
1226 2012-02-08 21:33:54 <sipa> phantomcircuit: implementation detail
1227 2012-02-08 21:34:01 <phantomcircuit> :)
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1276 2012-02-08 23:34:29 <ThePiachu> Hello. I was considering helping out a bit with the client code in an effort to understand what is happening in each file (mentioned it already on the forum, but the question didn't get much attention - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=62555.0 ). The jist is, viewing the source code as is is hard at times without investing a lot of time to understanding it.
1277 2012-02-08 23:34:44 <ThePiachu> I was hoping to make it clearer by adding comments, meaningful variable names and so forth - sort of like what was done for BitcoinJ. My question is - would such a help be welcomed by the developers and viewed as helpful, or more like an unnecessary padding? Are there any guidelines as to a coding style one should follow when contributing code?
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1279 2012-02-08 23:36:00 <BlueMatt> if you are just doing comments, I dont think everyone will much appreciate it. Same thing for variable names for the most part
1280 2012-02-08 23:36:19 <BlueMatt> Id think you may want to leave the variable name prefixes, but other than that I think everyone will just thank you
1281 2012-02-08 23:36:40 <BlueMatt> also, see doc/coding.txt
1282 2012-02-08 23:37:16 <ThePiachu> ah, didn't see the coding.txt, thanks!
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