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 25 2012-02-12 00:20:57 <usergv> the bitcoin wallet android is here?
 26 2012-02-12 00:21:05 <usergv> creator
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 28 2012-02-12 00:27:24 <etotheipi_> gmaxwell, I just found an old Armory testing wallet:  when I imported it, it had the first half of that mystery output we were talking about
 29 2012-02-12 00:27:40 <gmaxwell> ah ha!
 30 2012-02-12 00:27:46 <etotheipi_> it appears I used an address in that wallet to send 1.25 coins from the Satoshi client
 31 2012-02-12 00:28:04 <etotheipi_> that transaction created the non-existent 1GKJ address as change
 32 2012-02-12 00:28:08 <sipa> gmaxwell, etotheipi_: https://gist.github.com/1799467
 33 2012-02-12 00:28:14 <etotheipi_> then <...?>
 34 2012-02-12 00:28:15 <sipa> (work in progress)
 35 2012-02-12 00:28:26 <etotheipi_> then Satoshi tried to spend that change
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 37 2012-02-12 00:29:29 <etotheipi_> in fact, I'm still not sure what the real problem is
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 40 2012-02-12 00:30:00 <etotheipi_> somehow the satoshi client created a send transaction that never made it into the blockchain, then used one of the change outputs to send another tx
 41 2012-02-12 00:30:08 <etotheipi_> and now they're both stuck
 42 2012-02-12 00:30:30 <sipa>  /me needs to work on rejectedtx
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 44 2012-02-12 00:32:05 <etotheipi_> sipa, btw we could rename the "chaincode"... I only used it because my determinism required generating the chain in sequence
 45 2012-02-12 00:32:17 <etotheipi_> but since this is random access... we could use something else
 46 2012-02-12 00:32:32 <etotheipi_> it's just a thought
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 48 2012-02-12 00:33:02 <sipa> if you have a suggestion, please :)
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 51 2012-02-12 00:36:13 <etotheipi_> well I guess I have another 1.25 BTC locked up in addition to that 8.2
 52 2012-02-12 00:36:25 <etotheipi_> still not sure how it happened
 53 2012-02-12 00:37:52 <etotheipi_> ... or maybe not... it looks like one of the inputs of *this* tx is non-existent
 54 2012-02-12 00:39:16 <etotheipi_> so it seems that *something happened*... a tx didn't make it into the blockchain... then the satoshi client generated a new tx using one of the change outputs that didn't make it into the blockchain.... then used one of the change outputs of that one for *another* tx
 55 2012-02-12 00:39:51 <gmaxwell> it can use unconfirmed change if it has no other coins in the wallet.
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 57 2012-02-12 00:41:26 <etotheipi_> could this happen with vanilla Satoshi client?  the only thing I can think of is that it must've failed ad broadcasting a tx, then somehow one of it's inputs was spent, and when it came back online, it kept trying to broadcast the now-invalid tx
 58 2012-02-12 00:41:35 <etotheipi_> then based a bunch of new tx's on that failed first tx
 59 2012-02-12 00:42:04 <etotheipi_> I didn't think I loaded any addresses in multiple wallets/clients, but it seems like I must have
 60 2012-02-12 00:42:11 <etotheipi_> is there any other explanation?
 61 2012-02-12 00:42:38 <gmaxwell> It can't happen without running multiple systems, or perhaps some kind of unclean shutdown or backup/restore pattern.
 62 2012-02-12 00:43:00 <gmaxwell> e.g. make txn, switch to a backup, spend away one of the prior inputs, switch back.
 63 2012-02-12 00:44:07 <sipa> and spend it again before catching up with the block chain
 64 2012-02-12 00:44:28 <etotheipi_> okay, well I must've done something I don't remember doing... which is strange because I've never even used pywallet
 65 2012-02-12 00:44:54 <etotheipi_> and I don't think I've ever loaded it on a different system...?
 66 2012-02-12 00:45:14 <gmaxwell> You wouldn't have to use pywallet. Just swapping wallets around could do it.
 67 2012-02-12 00:45:29 <etotheipi_> why does the client continue to believe it's valid and need to continue rebroadcasting?
 68 2012-02-12 00:45:31 <sipa> the satoshi client always assumes that all its wallet transactions exist, and that all txouts to keys of your own that are not spent by other wallet transactions, are available
 69 2012-02-12 00:46:07 <etotheipi_> can it see in it's own longest-chain that the tx are invalid?
 70 2012-02-12 00:46:26 <etotheipi_> perhaps, once such a tx reaches coinbase maturity... the Satoshi client should give up on it
 71 2012-02-12 00:46:27 <gmaxwell> etotheipi_: it wouldn't have created it if it wasn't valid at the time. It isn't accounting for the operator having a time machine (from its perspective).
 72 2012-02-12 00:47:02 <etotheipi_> but right now it has accepted a longest-blockchain for which these transactions were invalided LONG ago
 73 2012-02-12 00:47:16 <sipa> etotheipi_: it assumes no wallet tinkering at all
 74 2012-02-12 00:47:17 <etotheipi_> what would be the problem with getting it to "re-evaluate"?
 75 2012-02-12 00:47:28 <gmaxwell> etotheipi_: you haven't submitted a patch yet.
 76 2012-02-12 00:47:31 <sipa> even if the wallet transactions conflict with the block chain, they are considered availabe
 77 2012-02-12 00:47:56 <sipa> i once started a patch called rejectedtx that detected such conflicts, and marked such transactions inactive
 78 2012-02-12 00:48:00 <sipa> but it's very outdated now
 79 2012-02-12 00:48:05 <gmaxwell> (there would be nothing wrong with doing something there— it just doesn't because its pointless without wallet-time-travel, and no one has coded otherwise yet)
 80 2012-02-12 00:48:14 <Diablo-D3> WALLET TINE TRAVEL
 81 2012-02-12 00:48:26 <Diablo-D3> I always assumed it would be a watch
 82 2012-02-12 00:48:34 <gmaxwell> (well you don't need time travel two copies of the same wallet spending at the same time would do it too)
 83 2012-02-12 00:48:36 <Diablo-D3> like, some old british pocket watch or something
 84 2012-02-12 00:49:54 <gmaxwell> etotheipi_: more than just now-impossible transactions, we'd also like to make it possible to abort or at least reissue transactions which are not processing.
 85 2012-02-12 00:51:08 <gmaxwell> e.g. if a txn goes two blocks without getting mined, you could hit some button to reissue it, which would stop rebroadcasting, wait for the old one to fall out of memory pools, then resend using at least one of the same inputs and more fee.
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 94 2012-02-12 00:54:56 <sipa> indeed
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 96 2012-02-12 00:57:02 <gmaxwell> er, reasons to not use sourceforge: https://www.google.com/search?q=bitcoin+0.6.0+rc
 97 2012-02-12 00:57:20 <gmaxwell> (extensively scraped by sites that are super sketchy)
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102 2012-02-12 01:11:32 <cjd> mm scrapers are crappy
103 2012-02-12 01:11:49 <cjd> join youtube, suddenly you're member of 30 sites
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124 2012-02-12 02:00:11 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: help
125 2012-02-12 02:00:15 <luke-jr> git won't fetch a9108382e2dd1540913f15bd2f4ebe3a8977f46a
126 2012-02-12 02:00:28 <luke-jr> can you make a branch with it? <.<
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135 2012-02-12 02:34:43 <luke-jr> 2e5a781 Enable accessible widgets Qt module on win32, so that people with screen readers such as NVDA can make sense of it.
136 2012-02-12 02:34:45 <luke-jr> ^ bugfix?
137 2012-02-12 02:40:27 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: there was some discussion of moving downloads to github, but it got odd and we ended up not doing that
138 2012-02-12 02:41:32 <luke-jr> …
139 2012-02-12 02:41:34 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: POKE
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144 2012-02-12 02:45:10 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: one sec
145 2012-02-12 02:45:39 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: branch dpi0.5
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147 2012-02-12 02:46:34 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: thanks
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149 2012-02-12 02:57:08 <spawn-> whats up luke-junya!
150 2012-02-12 02:59:27 <luke-jr> legal battles, why?
151 2012-02-12 03:00:18 <BlueMatt> ???
152 2012-02-12 03:00:32 <spawn-> nothin bro i just love the mexican accent :)
153 2012-02-12 03:00:34 <spawn-> junya
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169 2012-02-12 03:49:48 <midnightmagic> luke-jr: Kick some ass, man! Are you allowed to talk about it?
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173 2012-02-12 04:05:48 <luke-jr> midnightmagic: it's not Bitcoin related
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175 2012-02-12 04:06:29 <midnightmagic> okay! well, still, I hope you kick some ass bro.
176 2012-02-12 04:10:07 <luke-jr> that primarily depends on how good my lawyer is, I suspect
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252 2012-02-12 05:28:23 <nanotube> gmaxwell> (extensively scraped by sites that are super sketchy) <- you mean, reason not to use google, that puts sketchy crawler sites above actual project pages? :)
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254 2012-02-12 05:33:25 <gmaxwell> nanotube: or any search engine for that matter.
255 2012-02-12 05:34:42 * nanotube does some spot checking .... /me loses faith in search engines.
256 2012-02-12 05:35:26 <nanotube> for all the fancy stuff google (and other search engines) pretends to do, they still fall for the softpedia crap eh?
257 2012-02-12 05:35:31 <nanotube> sad times
258 2012-02-12 05:36:01 <gmaxwell> I expect softpedia spends a lot making sure of that outcome.
259 2012-02-12 05:37:11 <nanotube> well, i'm sure google spends even more /trying/ to make sure that outcome doesn't occur...
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261 2012-02-12 05:38:09 <gmaxwell> nanotube: google has a ethical line to walk wrt manually selected results, I'm guessing softpedia is not impeaded by ethics.
262 2012-02-12 05:40:32 <nanotube> heh true, that said, when something appears on both sourceforge ("the largest foss host on the web") and on $craploadofothersites, it is pretty simple to say "sourceforge first"
263 2012-02-12 05:40:40 <nanotube> without breaking any ethical lines
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266 2012-02-12 05:49:59 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: if you want to build 0.4.4rc2 tonight, feel free… I'll hopefully have 0.5.0.4rc2 and 0.5.3rc2 ready tomorrow or whenever wumpus gets back on that other commit
267 2012-02-12 05:51:15 <luke-jr> or actually, I guess it's fine so long as that gets resolved before final
268 2012-02-12 05:51:15 <luke-jr> I'll go ahead and tag the 0.5s now
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270 2012-02-12 06:03:08 <gmaxwell> We need to get this updated: http://bitcoin.sourceforge.net/
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272 2012-02-12 06:03:27 <gmaxwell> apparently this is causing some people think 0.3.24 is the latest version.
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294 2012-02-12 06:30:52 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: i dont build while intoxicated
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297 2012-02-12 06:33:43 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: are you even of drinking age in the US? :)
298 2012-02-12 06:34:41 <midnightmagic> Maybe he's near Quebec..
299 2012-02-12 06:35:25 <gmaxwell> He's not. :)
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308 2012-02-12 06:59:25 <egecko> so, this is just a theorhetical question, say someone comes up with some novel coin based idea and wanted to get their coins merged in with the mining for btc and/or nmc.  exactly what all was done to allow the merged mining, and would it support an arbitrary number of different coin types to be mined simultaneously (assuming there are independent coin networks running of course)?
309 2012-02-12 07:00:03 <gmaxwell> midnightmagic: hm. I was hoping to speed up loading by reducing the number of blocks checked.. but even cold cache the checking only takes 4 seconds out of about 64 seconds of the index load.
310 2012-02-12 07:00:14 <gmaxwell> egecko: yes.
311 2012-02-12 07:00:58 <midnightmagic> gmaxwell: D'oh.
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313 2012-02-12 07:04:03 <gmaxwell> midnightmagic: bodes well for the performance of checking it in the background after every startup!
314 2012-02-12 07:04:12 <gmaxwell> it's much faster than normal validation because it doesn't connect inputs.
315 2012-02-12 07:04:32 <gmaxwell> Though it's faster still to only check the hashes.
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318 2012-02-12 07:09:00 <tihkal> is there a web-accessible api that a web app could connect to to see block hashes as they are solved?
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320 2012-02-12 07:13:19 <gmaxwell> tihkal: https://blockexplorer.com/q/latesthash
321 2012-02-12 07:13:52 <tihkal> sweet ass. thanks.
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327 2012-02-12 07:37:24 <tihkal> hmm... that page would have to be reloaded fast enough so that two blocks would not be solved between reloads... what's the shortest time between two blocks that has occurred?
328 2012-02-12 07:39:57 <gmaxwell> tihkal: just load the main page of block explorer then?
329 2012-02-12 07:40:05 <gmaxwell> sometimes blocks are found very fast.. e.g. within a second.
330 2012-02-12 07:41:14 <tihkal> main page it is! blockexplorer.com/q/latesthash^ would be handy heh
331 2012-02-12 07:41:42 <gmaxwell> some of the api calls on blockexplorer take arguments, but that one doesn't seem to.
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372 2012-02-12 11:14:04 <cjd> 06:00 <+Tykling> cjd: I've seen that "turbo-nat" where it changes the IP inside packets in real-life
373 2012-02-12 11:14:07 <cjd> 06:00 <+Tykling> we had a lot of fun because the guy was connected to irc without SSL
374 2012-02-12 11:14:10 <cjd> 06:01 <@cjd> heh
375 2012-02-12 11:14:12 <cjd> 06:01 <+Tykling> so when he tried to explain that his inside IP was being changed to his outside IP, the sentence made  no sense
376 2012-02-12 11:14:15 <cjd> 06:01 <+Tykling> because he was saying the same IP both times
377 2012-02-12 11:14:16 <cjd> 06:08 <+Tykling> cjd: netgear cg3000
378 2012-02-12 11:14:18 <cjd> 06:01 <@cjd> oh wow
379 2012-02-12 11:14:31 <cjd> 06:14 <+Tykling> cjd: I think they are iptables features, ip_conntrack_irc and ip_nat_irc - that netgear router is  based on iptables apparently
380 2012-02-12 11:14:34 <cjd> 06:15 <+Tykling> no apparent way of disabling it either, in that model at least
381 2012-02-12 11:15:15 <sipa> cjd: good to know, thanks
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384 2012-02-12 11:31:03 <cjd> http://www.cs.fsu.edu/~baker/devices/lxr/http/source/linux/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_nat_irc.c?v=2.6.11.8
385 2012-02-12 11:31:22 <cjd> that only operates on decimal representations of the ip addr
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413 2012-02-12 13:03:00 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: sipa opened pull request 829 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/829>
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460 2012-02-12 17:27:28 <finway> So Banks told Paxum to suspend all bitcoin_related_business ?
461 2012-02-12 17:27:36 <finway> Damn!
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463 2012-02-12 17:35:24 <Dumb_> yes
464 2012-02-12 17:38:05 <_W_> really?
465 2012-02-12 17:38:11 <_W_> source?
466 2012-02-12 17:39:21 <finway> we should make some exposion
467 2012-02-12 17:39:39 <Dumb_> yeh
468 2012-02-12 17:39:43 <Dumb_> exposion bitcoin
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473 2012-02-12 17:54:06 <gmaxwell> sipa: GetLocalAddress should potentially take a family argument, and we should return the best address of the right family.
474 2012-02-12 17:55:14 <gmaxwell> oh you have it, it just wasn't being used where I looked.
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479 2012-02-12 17:59:09 <sipa> gmaxwell: :)
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492 2012-02-12 18:15:34 <luke-jr> egecko: merged mining supports an unlimited number of chains
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497 2012-02-12 18:18:39 <luke-jr> wump: ping?
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550 2012-02-12 19:52:40 <splatster> Joric: You have to make Armory into a binary because I still can't get it to compile.
551 2012-02-12 19:56:26 <Joric> sorry i'm way too busy for the opensource
552 2012-02-12 19:57:37 <splatster> Awww
553 2012-02-12 19:57:41 <splatster> Well fuck
554 2012-02-12 19:58:10 <splatster> FYI: Bitcoin-QT 0.6 RC1 has a -huge- CPU usage bug
555 2012-02-12 19:58:34 <sipa> splatster: any details?
556 2012-02-12 19:58:45 <splatster> 130% CPU usage
557 2012-02-12 19:58:46 <splatster> bleh
558 2012-02-12 19:58:51 <splatster> No idea why
559 2012-02-12 19:58:51 <sipa> after doing what?
560 2012-02-12 19:58:57 <splatster> Nothing
561 2012-02-12 19:59:02 <splatster> Literally nothing
562 2012-02-12 19:59:13 <splatster> No blocks, not TXs
563 2012-02-12 19:59:15 <splatster> nothing
564 2012-02-12 19:59:33 <splatster> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3533940/Screen%20Shot%202012-02-12%20at%2010.47.27%20AM.png
565 2012-02-12 19:59:49 <sipa> and you just started it?
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567 2012-02-12 20:00:04 <splatster> This was this morning and the day before
568 2012-02-12 20:00:21 <splatster> I closed it because it was making my comp slugish
569 2012-02-12 20:00:28 <Joric> looks like someone deleted sleep(0)
570 2012-02-12 20:00:46 <Joric> how is it even possible 132% cpu usage
571 2012-02-12 20:01:00 <Diablo-D3> 100% per core
572 2012-02-12 20:01:20 <splatster> This has two cores
573 2012-02-12 20:01:34 <splatster> 2.66 GHz -each-
574 2012-02-12 20:02:57 <sipa> splatster: you have an encrypted wallet?
575 2012-02-12 20:02:58 <splatster> ;;calc 2.66 * 1.32
576 2012-02-12 20:02:58 <gribble> 3.5112
577 2012-02-12 20:03:05 <splatster> sipa: Ya
578 2012-02-12 20:03:15 <sipa> and you unlocked it?
579 2012-02-12 20:03:22 <splatster> No it was still locked
580 2012-02-12 20:03:32 <splatster> As I said, no TXs
581 2012-02-12 20:03:33 <Joric> splatster, i used xcode for the iphone btw maybe there are more dependencies xcode_4.2_and_ios_5_sdk_for_snow_leopard.dmg
582 2012-02-12 20:03:45 <sipa> splatster: never unlocked it before that 130% occurred?
583 2012-02-12 20:04:04 <splatster> Never unlocked it in V 0.6.0
584 2012-02-12 20:04:14 <sipa> ok
585 2012-02-12 20:04:46 <splatster> Joric: I'm using an even newer version.  I'll check the release notes to see if they stripped anything from it.
586 2012-02-12 20:05:00 <sipa> i'll leave a 0.6.0rc1 running over the night
587 2012-02-12 20:05:03 <splatster> Also, I'm on OS X 10.7.3
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597 2012-02-12 20:25:59 <luke-jr> splatster: can you bisect?
598 2012-02-12 20:26:34 <splatster> Bisect what?
599 2012-02-12 20:27:25 <sipa> splatster: which commit introduced the cpu usage bug
600 2012-02-12 20:27:48 <splatster> I don't feel like re compiling everything
601 2012-02-12 20:28:10 <splatster> I can take a look at the code tho
602 2012-02-12 20:28:16 <splatster> Give me a bit
603 2012-02-12 20:28:23 <splatster> In the middle of some work right now
604 2012-02-12 20:28:31 <gmaxwell> Well, more than bisecting.. just attaching a debugging while it's pegged to see where it is would be useful.
605 2012-02-12 20:28:46 <splatster> gmaxwell: Good idea.
606 2012-02-12 20:28:54 * splatster launches Xcode Instruments
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608 2012-02-12 20:30:19 * splatster begins profiling Bitcoin-Qt
609 2012-02-12 20:32:35 <JRWR> splatster: have fun!
610 2012-02-12 20:34:23 <splatster> Thanks for the support, I guess.
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618 2012-02-12 20:54:33 <splatster> profiling didn't reveal shit
619 2012-02-12 20:54:37 <splatster> same problem still
620 2012-02-12 20:55:24 <sipa> it is currently using 100% cpu?
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680 2012-02-12 23:10:32 <sipa> bah, i have a deadlocked 0.6.0-rc1 bitcoin-qt here, it seems
681 2012-02-12 23:10:51 <sipa> oh wait, i had it attached in a debugger
682 2012-02-12 23:11:29 <TD> heh
683 2012-02-12 23:11:49 <BlueMatt> heh, nice
684 2012-02-12 23:11:55 <TD> yeah i'm like "huh that's weird, my bitcoin-qt 0.6.0-rc1 suddenly stopped accepting connections from bitcoinj"
685 2012-02-12 23:12:02 <TD> "oh wait, it just ran out of sockets"
686 2012-02-12 23:12:16 <TD> seems like lots of nodes want to connect to me tonight. reached 125 pretty fast.
687 2012-02-12 23:12:23 <BlueMatt> how convenient
688 2012-02-12 23:12:54 <luke-jr> lol
689 2012-02-12 23:13:50 <sipa> right phase of the moon, probably
690 2012-02-12 23:14:12 <BlueMatt> yep, that pretty much controls connection counts in bitcoin
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692 2012-02-12 23:16:17 <unicron_> Today is Pungenday, the 43rd day of Chaos in the YOLD 3178
693 2012-02-12 23:16:17 <unicron_> The Moon is Waning Gibbous (70% of Full)
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695 2012-02-12 23:16:40 <BlueMatt> ...
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698 2012-02-12 23:17:46 <luke-jr> unicron_: no, it's the me-th day of Timander in the year ra-san-la-ton-vy
699 2012-02-12 23:18:53 <sipa> unicron_ is right, though! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discordian_calendar)
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711 2012-02-12 23:36:54 <riush> is there an example of a spent multisig tx anywhere in the chain?
712 2012-02-12 23:37:23 <BlueMatt> main chain? dont think so
713 2012-02-12 23:37:32 <BlueMatt> testnet, probably
714 2012-02-12 23:38:33 <riush> hm okay.. but they are mined on the main chain too right?
715 2012-02-12 23:38:44 <riush> i got a multisig output in yesterday and now i'm trying to spend it :)
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717 2012-02-12 23:39:43 <BlueMatt> oh, wait no, blockchain.info supports them
718 2012-02-12 23:39:46 <BlueMatt> Im sure they are in main chain
719 2012-02-12 23:45:25 <riush> oh there is one http://blockexplorer.com/tx/1180df8ad1bfab0ab43f9e57ecf7fd3eb4c5d5e3a96af2ecc51113c3e88fcfe1
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