1 2012-02-16 00:00:13 <Diablo-D3> 2.1 on old to 2.6 on new as far as Im concerned is a tie
2 2012-02-16 00:00:24 <midnightmagic> Diablo-D3: i will switch to 2.6 easily, and in an instant, if I can get the 20MH base stock clock improvement on my 6970s as reported by that guy last night.
3 2012-02-16 00:00:37 <midnightmagic> Diablo-D3: I thought 2.1 doesn't support 6970?
4 2012-02-16 00:00:42 <Diablo-D3> it doesnt
5 2012-02-16 00:00:45 <Diablo-D3> remember, Im on a 5850
6 2012-02-16 00:00:49 <midnightmagic> yah, I have a pile of 6970.
7 2012-02-16 00:01:02 <Diablo-D3> midnightmagic: on 2.6 to 2.6 on any GPU, its an improvement
8 2012-02-16 00:01:10 <midnightmagic> =]
9 2012-02-16 00:01:15 <Diablo-D3> on 2.5 to 2.6? I have no clue
10 2012-02-16 00:01:16 <Diablo-D3> infact
11 2012-02-16 00:01:21 <Diablo-D3> I have no clue what the kernel does on 2.5
12 2012-02-16 00:01:25 <sipa> BlueMatt: http://bitcoin.sipa.be/builds/
13 2012-02-16 00:01:27 <Diablo-D3> the new kernel is quite slower on 2.1
14 2012-02-16 00:01:39 <Diablo-D3> but since you can now go to 2.6 and basically get the same speed, it doesnt matter
15 2012-02-16 00:01:45 <Diablo-D3> midnightmagic: are you on 2.5 now?
16 2012-02-16 00:02:42 <Diablo-D3> because it MIGHT be an improvement on 2.5
17 2012-02-16 00:02:50 <Diablo-D3> or it might be slower
18 2012-02-16 00:03:02 <Diablo-D3> Im targeting 2.6 exclusively though
19 2012-02-16 00:04:08 <Diablo-D3> midnightmagic: write down your best mhash somewhere
20 2012-02-16 00:04:10 <Diablo-D3> upgrade to 2.6
21 2012-02-16 00:04:13 <Diablo-D3> and then try the new kernel
22 2012-02-16 00:04:17 <Diablo-D3> and try every option you can think of
23 2012-02-16 00:04:44 <Diablo-D3> -v 1, 2, 3, 4, 2,1, 1,1, 2,2, 1,1,1, 1,1,1,1
24 2012-02-16 00:04:45 <Diablo-D3> whatever
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31 2012-02-16 00:15:47 <BlueMatt> sipa: oh, the qt-win32 zip is different, I mustve used an old version
32 2012-02-16 00:15:51 <BlueMatt> Ill go rebuild
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35 2012-02-16 00:17:01 <sipa> i didn't redownload that one
36 2012-02-16 00:18:49 <BlueMatt> I had the wrong one
37 2012-02-16 00:19:17 <midnightmagic> Diablo-D3: A number of my machines are on 2.5 now; a couple of samples of machines are only doing about 380MH/s, mostly because I'm stubborn and I refuse to overclock (and don't really need to anyway)
38 2012-02-16 00:19:41 <Diablo-D3> midnightmagic: using -v 2 -w 128/256?
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43 2012-02-16 00:20:03 <midnightmagic> Diablo-D3: hrm..
44 2012-02-16 00:20:31 <BlueMatt> github returning 500 for every page for anyone else?
45 2012-02-16 00:20:50 <BlueMatt> yep: https://status.github.com/
46 2012-02-16 00:20:52 <midnightmagic> BlueMatt: sigh. are they being attacked again? yes.
47 2012-02-16 00:21:16 <midnightmagic> I know someone working there.
48 2012-02-16 00:21:25 <midnightmagic> I wonder if he can tell me what the hell the deal is.
49 2012-02-16 00:21:35 <BlueMatt> do they get ddos' regularly?
50 2012-02-16 00:21:36 <Diablo-D3> midnightmagic: because someone said they're getting 400 on 6970 on 2.6, which is nominal for the card
51 2012-02-16 00:21:55 <Diablo-D3> midnightmagic: I just have no clue what the right settings are, someones going to have to experiment
52 2012-02-16 00:21:57 <midnightmagic> Diablo-D3: That guy last night said he was getting 380 without overclock, and then with your kernel, it's up to 400.
53 2012-02-16 00:22:09 <BlueMatt> midnightmagic: considering it started a few minutes ago, I would hold off trying to get more info...
54 2012-02-16 00:22:09 <midnightmagic> ah.. but he was on 2.6 wasn't he..
55 2012-02-16 00:22:15 <Diablo-D3> midnightmagic: yeah
56 2012-02-16 00:22:19 <Diablo-D3> like I said, I targeted 2.6
57 2012-02-16 00:22:26 <Diablo-D3> I tried to exploit every flaw in the SDK I could find
58 2012-02-16 00:22:39 <sipa> BlueMatt: their git servers still work...
59 2012-02-16 00:22:48 <BlueMatt> well thats always nice
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61 2012-02-16 00:24:13 <midnightmagic> BlueMatt: github stole one of my coworkers. what the hell use is it knowing someone if you can't ping him about big picture stuff? lol i'll let you know if he says something I'm allowed to pass along.
62 2012-02-16 00:24:56 <BlueMatt> midnightmagic: meh, I dont really care, I was just saying when the site goes down, you dont exactly want people calling you to see whats up, you kinda just wanna fix it...
63 2012-02-16 00:25:24 <Diablo-D3> infact, I exploited it so hard GCN doesnt work
64 2012-02-16 00:25:28 MBS is now known as SCO
65 2012-02-16 00:25:30 <Diablo-D3> a grand total of 40 mhash
66 2012-02-16 00:25:31 <sipa> gcn?
67 2012-02-16 00:25:34 SCO is now known as MBS
68 2012-02-16 00:26:14 <Diablo-D3> 79xx
69 2012-02-16 00:27:11 <sipa> isn't 40 mhash a bit low for that?
70 2012-02-16 00:30:52 <midnightmagic> BlueMatt: ... I know what you're saying. I'm saying thanks, I grok your concern for the folks at github, and you're right, pestering them about pissant "are you down?" stuff is irritating. (In my former life, I hated people asking me endless up/down questions.) I'm saying I don't really need to be told about engagement etiquette. :)
71 2012-02-16 00:31:57 <BlueMatt> midnightmagic: fair enough
72 2012-02-16 00:32:30 <BlueMatt> midnightmagic: you know how irc is, never know if people get what you meant when its put in text form...
73 2012-02-16 00:33:40 <Diablo-D3> sipa: yes, its 550 stock
74 2012-02-16 00:33:44 <Diablo-D3> at least with the old kernel
75 2012-02-16 00:33:45 <midnightmagic> BlueMatt: Yeah, never really know without asking, for sure.
76 2012-02-16 00:34:14 <sipa> BlueMatt: able to reproduce now?
77 2012-02-16 00:34:17 <sipa> or still building?
78 2012-02-16 00:35:21 <midnightmagic> Diablo-D3: -v 2 -w 128/256 don't make a difference. speed is almost identical overall..
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80 2012-02-16 00:36:49 <Diablo-D3> midnightmagic: like I said though
81 2012-02-16 00:36:58 <Diablo-D3> someone needs to go on 2.6 on 69xx and start experimenting
82 2012-02-16 00:39:21 <midnightmagic> Diablo-D3: Well that's going to be me as soon as I can get cgminer going with your kernel. Or, perhaps, with diablominer if I get frustrated.
83 2012-02-16 00:39:23 <BlueMatt> sipa: still building
84 2012-02-16 00:39:37 <Diablo-D3> midnightmagic: do it with DM for now
85 2012-02-16 00:39:43 <Diablo-D3> cgminer cant do layered vectors
86 2012-02-16 00:40:14 <midnightmagic> :-/ dammit.
87 2012-02-16 00:40:26 <Diablo-D3> whats with everyone's hardon for cgminer
88 2012-02-16 00:40:45 <midnightmagic> it's in C. I'm better with C than I am with Java, so it's easier for me to fix things locally.
89 2012-02-16 00:40:49 <BlueMatt> midnightmagic: thats the point though, there is no way to ask "did you understand this the same way I did?" without spending an hour reexplaining it in different ways :)
90 2012-02-16 00:41:04 <Diablo-D3> midnightmagic: yeah so what
91 2012-02-16 00:41:10 <Diablo-D3> midnightmagic: its not like DM is this gigantic huge thing
92 2012-02-16 00:41:17 <Diablo-D3> I write java the way I write C for the most part
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94 2012-02-16 00:41:55 <BlueMatt> nanotube: whats up with gribble?
95 2012-02-16 00:41:58 <BlueMatt> bc,nethash
96 2012-02-16 00:42:04 <BlueMatt> ;;bc,nethash
97 2012-02-16 00:42:08 <gribble> 9569.0389139021299
98 2012-02-16 00:42:16 <BlueMatt> ;;bc,calc 2000
99 2012-02-16 00:42:21 <Diablo-D3> midnightmagic: and cgminer's gpu code is essentially con porting it to C
100 2012-02-16 00:42:27 <gribble> Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
101 2012-02-16 00:43:46 <sipa> ;;bc,calc
102 2012-02-16 00:43:47 <gribble> (bc,calc <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "echo The average time to generate a block at $1 Khps, given current difficulty of [bc,diff], is [time elapsed [math calc 1/((2**224-1)/[bc,diff]*$1*1000/2**256)]]".
103 2012-02-16 00:43:54 <midnightmagic> BlueMatt: If everybody thought that, nobody would bother attempting to communicate with other humans.
104 2012-02-16 00:44:27 <BlueMatt> midnightmagic: well my point is the problem is exacerbated by the text-only communication medium
105 2012-02-16 00:44:55 <gmaxwell> yea, you can't punch people in the face over IRC when they refuse to understand you.
106 2012-02-16 00:44:58 <BlueMatt> (and thus taken from a non-issue to a very minor issue)
107 2012-02-16 00:45:04 <gmaxwell> major communication gap, that.
108 2012-02-16 00:45:18 <sipa> BlueMatt: built again after redownloading files; identical results
109 2012-02-16 00:45:38 <midnightmagic> BlueMatt: I agree. My point is people sexting on IRC just need to understand that, and be cautious about what's going on, and it tends to work out for people like that.
110 2012-02-16 00:46:14 <sipa> also, starting bitcoin-qt -daemon is a bad idea
111 2012-02-16 00:46:21 <sipa> started, crashed, database corrupt
112 2012-02-16 00:46:37 <sipa> i think that may considered a bug
113 2012-02-16 00:46:54 <BlueMatt> midnightmagic: agreed
114 2012-02-16 00:47:08 <BlueMatt> midnightmagic: also, I think this conversation is a perfect example of what we were discussing...
115 2012-02-16 00:47:43 <BlueMatt> sipa: yea, now I get the same results
116 2012-02-16 00:47:50 <BlueMatt> (Ill push when github reenables push)
117 2012-02-16 00:48:00 <midnightmagic> Diablo-D3: Hrm. I grok the innards of C, including calling conventions on multiple OSes, interactions with syscalls, kernel structures, etc, better than I understand what the hell Java programs are doing under the hood. And with stuff like hotspot.. well I have no idea what the hell, there. I guess it's just comfort, really.
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119 2012-02-16 00:48:39 <Diablo-D3> midnightmagic: Ive coded C for 15 years.
120 2012-02-16 00:48:43 <Diablo-D3> your turn.
121 2012-02-16 00:48:53 <BlueMatt> epeen fight
122 2012-02-16 00:49:05 <midnightmagic> Diablo-D3: Then you know what I'm talking about. I haven't coded in Java.
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124 2012-02-16 00:49:38 <midnightmagic> Not a lot, anyway, beyond exercises for classes.
125 2012-02-16 00:50:03 * BlueMatt hates the fact that so many classes teach in java...
126 2012-02-16 00:50:58 <Diablo-D3> blueMatt: thats the thing though
127 2012-02-16 00:51:00 <midnightmagic> BlueMatt: When I started, they used to start with assembly, and move to pascal, and then to something like modula or C after that. The last time I took a class at the university, they'd moved almost exclusively to Java, but students were given the option of doing things in other languages if they wanted.
128 2012-02-16 00:51:01 <Diablo-D3> you cant learn java first
129 2012-02-16 00:51:04 <Diablo-D3> otherwise you cant code
130 2012-02-16 00:51:07 <Diablo-D3> you have to learn C first
131 2012-02-16 00:51:19 <Diablo-D3> Java is only useful for the guys who know C but got tired of writing the same OS specific code
132 2012-02-16 00:51:58 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: and yet literally every compsci class Ive ever seen (in recent years) teaches either java or java
133 2012-02-16 00:52:08 <Diablo-D3> yeah which makes no sense
134 2012-02-16 00:52:12 <Diablo-D3> they should teach lisp or smalltalk
135 2012-02-16 00:52:20 <BlueMatt> (unless you are teaching ie underlying structures class where they are teaching about assembly,etc)
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138 2012-02-16 00:55:57 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: proper win32 build: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/29653426/bitcoin-0.5.3rc2-win32-gitian.zip
139 2012-02-16 00:56:14 <luke-jr> another one?
140 2012-02-16 00:56:17 <midnightmagic> Diablo-D3: And I guess technically I've been using C for 18 years. :-P so there.
141 2012-02-16 00:56:34 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: yea builds didnt match because i used the wrong input
142 2012-02-16 00:56:42 <Diablo-D3> midnightmagic: you're only like 18 dude
143 2012-02-16 00:56:52 <midnightmagic> nah I'm not I'm in my 30s.
144 2012-02-16 00:57:19 <Diablo-D3> you're older than I am?!
145 2012-02-16 00:57:22 <Diablo-D3> wtf!
146 2012-02-16 00:57:34 <midnightmagic> also I'm male and I live in Canada.
147 2012-02-16 00:57:36 <sipa> how old are you, Diablo-D3?
148 2012-02-16 00:57:47 <BlueMatt> 20s apparently
149 2012-02-16 00:58:04 <midnightmagic> lol
150 2012-02-16 00:58:25 <Diablo-D3> 28
151 2012-02-16 00:58:33 <BlueMatt> called it
152 2012-02-16 00:58:39 <BlueMatt> (by process of elimination...)
153 2012-02-16 00:58:53 <sipa> gasp, only one year older than i am
154 2012-02-16 00:59:28 <denisx> I'm surrounded by kids!
155 2012-02-16 00:59:30 <midnightmagic> get the hell off my lawn.
156 2012-02-16 00:59:33 <BlueMatt> denisx: Im 19...
157 2012-02-16 00:59:38 <sipa> BlueMatt wins
158 2012-02-16 00:59:44 <BlueMatt> :)
159 2012-02-16 00:59:48 <sipa> actually, that guy from bitcoinica wins
160 2012-02-16 00:59:53 <BlueMatt> damn
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163 2012-02-16 01:04:50 <midnightmagic> lfm I think is old like me.
164 2012-02-16 01:05:10 <BlueMatt> yea, because 30s is old...
165 2012-02-16 01:05:36 <midnightmagic> whipper snapper
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167 2012-02-16 01:05:54 <denisx> BlueMatt: do I really need to clone bitcoin and make a pull request only that you add two include lines to support freebsd better?
168 2012-02-16 01:06:30 <BlueMatt> denisx: yes, but if you feel really lazy, Im sure someone will sponsor the patch...
169 2012-02-16 01:06:54 <denisx> anyone? ;)
170 2012-02-16 01:06:56 <midnightmagic> denisx: I can do it if you want.
171 2012-02-16 01:07:01 <midnightmagic> But I'm not a dev.
172 2012-02-16 01:07:45 <denisx> protocol.cpp needs netinet/in.h and sys/socket.h for freebsd
173 2012-02-16 01:07:52 <midnightmagic> k
174 2012-02-16 01:08:05 <midnightmagic> is the define the same thing as it is for NetBSD? __FreeBSD__
175 2012-02-16 01:08:15 <denisx> hmm, don't know
176 2012-02-16 01:09:23 <denisx> yes, it is __FreeBSD__
177 2012-02-16 01:09:27 <midnightmagic> k
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180 2012-02-16 01:14:19 <denisx> someone wrote a patch already
181 2012-02-16 01:14:20 <denisx> http://www.mail-archive.com/freebsd-ports@freebsd.org/msg38776.html
182 2012-02-16 01:14:33 <midnightmagic> k
183 2012-02-16 01:16:35 <midnightmagic> denisx: that patch makes a few other changes too..
184 2012-02-16 01:17:23 <denisx> yeah, I think I handled the INT64_MIN problem somehow different
185 2012-02-16 01:19:14 <denisx> you could ignore the makefile and only add the three lines with the INT64_MIN change at the end
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187 2012-02-16 01:19:28 <denisx> BlueMatt: does that make sense to you?
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190 2012-02-16 01:21:13 <midnightmagic> denisx: what's the minimum required to get it working/building in freebsd?
191 2012-02-16 01:21:33 <denisx> for the source code thats all
192 2012-02-16 01:21:54 <midnightmagic> so the two includes and the *INT64_MIN?
193 2012-02-16 01:21:58 <denisx> yes
194 2012-02-16 01:22:42 <denisx> the makefile from this guy could be added as makefile.freebsd later at any time
195 2012-02-16 01:22:51 <denisx> totally unrelated to other stuff
196 2012-02-16 01:22:58 <da2ce7> bitcoin-qt just crashed: http://pastebin.com/dLDSbWt4
197 2012-02-16 01:23:07 <da2ce7> wasn't running it with debuging tho :(
198 2012-02-16 01:23:09 <denisx> so nobody needs to worry that the new makefile breaks anything
199 2012-02-16 01:24:17 <da2ce7> I can give the debug log or something if that would help...
200 2012-02-16 01:24:26 <luke-jr> midnightmagic: there shouldn't be an ifdefâ¦
201 2012-02-16 01:25:46 <midnightmagic> luke-jr: for the header inclusion, it's a bit of a mishmash anyway..
202 2012-02-16 01:26:21 <denisx> I remove them and see that freebsd is missing...
203 2012-02-16 01:26:32 <luke-jr> midnightmagic: either they're required or not. it's not platform-specific
204 2012-02-16 01:27:02 <midnightmagic> luke-jr: There are actually some platform-specific stuff required, occasionally, for the *BSDs.
205 2012-02-16 01:27:13 <luke-jr> then *BSD are broken
206 2012-02-16 01:28:14 <denisx> or linux has some evil cross-including
207 2012-02-16 01:28:22 <midnightmagic> looks like the better place to put it is in netbase.h. There's already a BSD ifdef in there anyway, and it's included remotely.
208 2012-02-16 01:28:24 <luke-jr> denisx: that's not relevant
209 2012-02-16 01:28:51 <denisx> INADDR_NONE and AF_INET is missing
210 2012-02-16 01:29:07 <denisx> and some other network stuff
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212 2012-02-16 01:29:37 <denisx> 'const struct sockaddr_in' is not declared
213 2012-02-16 01:29:40 <midnightmagic> denisx: There's also some really irritating sys_errlist issues and and and.. :-(
214 2012-02-16 01:29:54 <midnightmagic> (But not in bitcoind.. just in other networked applications.)
215 2012-02-16 01:31:00 <da2ce7> hmm... there seems like there is a issue with my blkindex.dat file... it crashes whenever it is not removed.
216 2012-02-16 01:31:17 <luke-jr> http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/online/pages/man3/inet_makeaddr.3.html
217 2012-02-16 01:31:37 <luke-jr> 3 includes required for those symbols
218 2012-02-16 01:32:14 <midnightmagic> denisx: Uh.. have you looked at bitcoin head?
219 2012-02-16 01:32:24 <denisx> midnightmagic: no
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221 2012-02-16 01:33:10 <midnightmagic> I don't see INT64_MIN in there anywhere.
222 2012-02-16 01:33:46 <midnightmagic> numeric_limits is already applied to net.cpp
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224 2012-02-16 01:36:16 <denisx> damn, code is refactored for ipv6 anyway ;(
225 2012-02-16 01:36:39 <midnightmagic> denisx: :-) still need the headers?
226 2012-02-16 01:37:15 <denisx> midnightmagic: sorry that I wasted your time ;(
227 2012-02-16 01:37:33 <midnightmagic> 'sokay. it's just a git branch, it can be deleted.
228 2012-02-16 01:38:01 <midnightmagic> denisx: On the plus side, I got a buildslave building in the green!! woo!
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275 2012-02-16 04:03:18 <nanotube> BlueMatt: ,,bc,slushpool
276 2012-02-16 04:03:19 <gribble> 1296214000
277 2012-02-16 04:03:47 <Graet> ;;bc,stats
278 2012-02-16 04:04:08 <gribble> Current Blocks: timed out | Current Difficulty: timed out | Next Difficulty At Block: timed out | Next Difficulty In: 338 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 8 hours, 8 minutes, and 44 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1374600.52703893 | Estimated Percent Change: -0.365811730704
279 2012-02-16 04:04:11 <Graet> gribble hasnt been happy today nanotube
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281 2012-02-16 04:04:29 <nanotube> Graet: how so? timing out?
282 2012-02-16 04:04:33 <nanotube> seems happy enough right now...
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284 2012-02-16 04:04:49 <Graet> yep, tho maybe blockexplorer was lagging b4
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287 2012-02-16 04:04:59 <Graet> might not have been gribbles fault
288 2012-02-16 04:05:10 <nanotube> ah yea, all the calculation commands rely on data from bbe
289 2012-02-16 04:05:13 <Graet> ;;bc,calc [bc,ozcoin]
290 2012-02-16 04:05:15 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 404000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 1379647.4392143 , is 4 hours, 4 minutes, and 27 seconds
291 2012-02-16 04:05:19 <nanotube> if bbe lags out, things don't work. :)
292 2012-02-16 04:05:25 <Graet> yep working fine
293 2012-02-16 04:05:29 <nanotube> :)
294 2012-02-16 04:05:36 <BlueMatt> ;;bc,calc 200
295 2012-02-16 04:05:37 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 200 Khps, given current difficulty of 1379647.4392143 , is 939 years, 25 weeks, 3 days, 5 hours, 32 minutes, and 37 seconds
296 2012-02-16 04:05:41 <BlueMatt> nanotube: ahh, ok
297 2012-02-16 04:05:55 <EPiSKiNG-> ;;bc,calc 400000
298 2012-02-16 04:05:57 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 400000 Khps, given current difficulty of 1379647.4392143 , is 24 weeks, 3 days, 10 hours, 57 minutes, and 31 seconds
299 2012-02-16 04:06:00 <nanotube> in other news - did you notice bitcoin made it into the list of 'fastest growing projects' on the sourceforge monthly mailing? :)
300 2012-02-16 04:06:09 <Graet> wow 4 hours and we just cracked 24 lol
301 2012-02-16 04:06:27 <Graet> and the front page of sourceforge nanotube :)
302 2012-02-16 04:06:29 <nanotube> Graet: you've been mining for 24 hours without a block, at 400ghps?
303 2012-02-16 04:06:35 <Graet> close
304 2012-02-16 04:06:38 <BlueMatt> nanotube: it was on the front page listed as "Best Projects" or something like that too
305 2012-02-16 04:06:46 <nanotube> ah yes, i see it. awesome :)
306 2012-02-16 04:06:47 <BlueMatt> no "Project of the Month"
307 2012-02-16 04:06:48 <Graet> but hey we have had extreme good luck up to this
308 2012-02-16 04:06:57 <nanotube> and boost (which bitcoin uses extensively) is potm. hehe
309 2012-02-16 04:07:06 <Graet> http://ozco.in/content/luck-bitcoin << nanotube
310 2012-02-16 04:07:13 <nanotube> ;;bc,prob 400000000 24h
311 2012-02-16 04:07:16 <Graet> yellow line is difficulty :)
312 2012-02-16 04:07:19 <gribble> Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
313 2012-02-16 04:07:23 <EPiSKiNG-> how close are we to half of the bitcoins being in circulation?
314 2012-02-16 04:07:23 <nanotube> ah come on bbe
315 2012-02-16 04:07:25 <nanotube> ;;bc,prob 400000000 24h
316 2012-02-16 04:07:27 <Graet> ooh there it was
317 2012-02-16 04:07:31 <gribble> Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
318 2012-02-16 04:07:52 <nanotube> well, if bbe is not responding within the time limit... nothing i can do
319 2012-02-16 04:08:01 <Graet> :)
320 2012-02-16 04:08:12 <Graet> bbl
321 2012-02-16 04:08:16 <BlueMatt> shame, bitcoin is just too big for its web servers...
322 2012-02-16 04:08:46 <EPiSKiNG-> ;;bc,blocks
323 2012-02-16 04:08:52 <gribble> timed out
324 2012-02-16 04:08:52 <EPiSKiNG-> ;;totalbc
325 2012-02-16 04:08:52 <gribble> Error: "totalbc" is not a valid command.
326 2012-02-16 04:08:55 <nanotube> heh well, maybe if someone put out a site with a bunch of stats, without hosting the whole bbe, that would do it.
327 2012-02-16 04:09:00 <EPiSKiNG-> ;;bc,total
328 2012-02-16 04:09:00 <gribble> Error: "bc,total" is not a valid command.
329 2012-02-16 04:09:01 <nanotube> EPiSKiNG-: bc,totalbc
330 2012-02-16 04:09:04 <EPiSKiNG-> thx
331 2012-02-16 04:09:07 <nanotube> but all of those are from bbe
332 2012-02-16 04:09:12 <EPiSKiNG-> ;;bc,totalbc
333 2012-02-16 04:09:16 <BlueMatt> nanotube: blockchain.info maybe?
334 2012-02-16 04:09:18 <gribble> timed out
335 2012-02-16 04:09:24 <BlueMatt> (or gribble's own bitcoind)
336 2012-02-16 04:10:00 <nanotube> BlueMatt: ah yea, guess they do have an api it seems... i suppose they can be used as a backup...
337 2012-02-16 04:10:17 <BlueMatt> nanotube: meh, whatever not like its really that important
338 2012-02-16 04:10:24 <BlueMatt> bbe will be back up soon enough anyway
339 2012-02-16 04:10:46 <nanotube> yea but still, it's sad. :)
340 2012-02-16 04:10:52 <BlueMatt> yea
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345 2012-02-16 04:19:55 <EPiSKiNG-> when the BTC reward for mining cuts in half, will the difficult adjust such that the total amount of BTC in existence will follow this graph: https://blockchain.info/charts/total-bitcoins?timespan=all&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=0&address=
346 2012-02-16 04:20:10 <EPiSKiNG-> ?
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350 2012-02-16 04:25:00 <BlueMatt> no
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353 2012-02-16 04:32:33 <gmaxwell> EPiSKiNG-: no, it follows this graph: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/File:Total_bitcoins_over_time_graph.png
354 2012-02-16 04:32:46 <gmaxwell> and the reward change is what makes that happen.
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360 2012-02-16 05:02:07 <midnightmagic> EPiSKiNG-: the difficulty won't move except in response to hashrate. those charts just show the additive of reward to the total, over time, and in fact most of those charts get it brutally wrong because none of them draw the line out to the time when the rewards will actually cease! (Up in the 2100s somwhere.)
361 2012-02-16 05:03:15 <gmaxwell> midnightmagic: even if the rewards never ceased we'd still not get above 21m though. :)
362 2012-02-16 05:03:44 <jm9000> Is there a place I can download a windows binary that has debugging symbols?
363 2012-02-16 05:03:46 <gmaxwell> The ceasing isn't really the important part (and I hope if bitcoin is still used in 2140 that the precision will have been increased before then!)
364 2012-02-16 05:03:50 <midnightmagic> gmaxwell: The problem is that the line stops, and so everyone thinks the rewards are going away in the 2030s.
365 2012-02-16 05:04:04 <gmaxwell> midnightmagic: oh, that true. fair enough.
366 2012-02-16 05:04:18 <BlueMatt> jm9000: atm: no... :(
367 2012-02-16 05:04:43 <gmaxwell> midnightmagic: the date is sometime 2140 approximately, assuming precision isn't increased.
368 2012-02-16 05:05:17 <midnightmagic> gmaxwell: I would be a happy person if I live to see Bitcoins in-use up past 2050+..
369 2012-02-16 05:08:10 <nanotube> midnightmagic: i'd be a happy person if i get to see 2140, regardless of what happens to bitcoins :)
370 2012-02-16 05:08:31 <jm9000> I want to try to debug issue #640, but I need a binary with debugging symbols. It's been 3 months since I added that issue, and I still can't get my Windows dev environment to compile it. If someone can post up a binary somewhere, that would help me out a bunch.
371 2012-02-16 05:09:03 <midnightmagic> gmaxwell: Current precision rewards drop to 0 at block 6930000, so another 6763001 blocks. 6763001/2016 = 3354.66 retargets, assume 2 weeks per retarget, = 6709.3 weeks, or 129.02 years from now. 2012 + 129 yrs = 2141 AD. sweet.
372 2012-02-16 05:09:46 <midnightmagic> nanotube: Yeah no kidding! :)
373 2012-02-16 05:10:03 smickles is now known as durk_a_dur
374 2012-02-16 05:10:28 <midnightmagic> I would be like 170
375 2012-02-16 05:10:49 <nanotube> jm9000: haven't seen one, but if you just stick around, someone may come by and cough one up :)
376 2012-02-16 05:10:49 <midnightmagic> And my bitcoin fortune would buy a country. lol
377 2012-02-16 05:10:59 <nanotube> and another 100 years :)
378 2012-02-16 05:11:15 <nanotube> at least
379 2012-02-16 05:11:20 <gmaxwell> Seen In Time yet?
380 2012-02-16 05:11:26 <midnightmagic> I have!
381 2012-02-16 05:11:28 <midnightmagic> Just the other night.
382 2012-02-16 05:11:44 <midnightmagic> I don't care what people say about Justin Timberlake, I like him, he's an interesting actor.
383 2012-02-16 05:11:59 <Diablo-D3> >actor
384 2012-02-16 05:12:01 <Diablo-D3> trollface.jpg
385 2012-02-16 05:12:02 <gjs278> yeah
386 2012-02-16 05:12:04 <gjs278> really
387 2012-02-16 05:12:15 <gjs278> facebook movie by playing what he thinks of himself
388 2012-02-16 05:12:17 <gmaxwell> I thought it was pretty excellently done. Very gripping. I thought his performance was good.
389 2012-02-16 05:12:39 <Diablo-D3> yeah, nothing quite like a gay boyband, right?
390 2012-02-16 05:12:49 <midnightmagic> gmaxwell: You haven't been poisoned by the fashionistas I see. Well done! :)
391 2012-02-16 05:13:06 <Diablo-D3> midnightmagic: thats not even a word.
392 2012-02-16 05:13:07 <gmaxwell> I don't have much of a clue who he is even.
393 2012-02-16 05:13:15 <midnightmagic> Diablo-D3: Poisoned is too a word.
394 2012-02-16 05:13:17 <Diablo-D3> gmaxwell: hes some dickwad who was invented
395 2012-02-16 05:13:42 <Diablo-D3> he was manufactured as a ... whatever the fuck you call a member of a boyband... a fag?
396 2012-02-16 05:13:45 <gmaxwell> But the acting was goodâ they had such a contrived mechanic to make every moment tense, and yet it never felt contrived to me.
397 2012-02-16 05:14:06 <Diablo-D3> back in the 90s
398 2012-02-16 05:14:27 * gmaxwell reads wikipedia
399 2012-02-16 05:14:32 <midnightmagic> gmaxwell: His boyband may have been constructed, but where are his boyband buddies? Timberlake turned out to be an interesting person.
400 2012-02-16 05:14:34 <Diablo-D3> they picked him up off the street as some homeless dude and tried to teach him how to dance and sing much like how you'd do it to a trained monkey
401 2012-02-16 05:14:49 <gjs278> don't be so quick to walk away
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403 2012-02-16 05:14:54 <Diablo-D3> and lots of 14 year old girls bought his fake music
404 2012-02-16 05:14:55 <midnightmagic> So what? He's making the best of it.
405 2012-02-16 05:14:59 <Diablo-D3> and made someone else rich
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408 2012-02-16 05:15:09 <midnightmagic> Also not a point against him.
409 2012-02-16 05:15:17 <Diablo-D3> midnightmagic: I dunno man, if I ever end up with "handlers", I will be make sure to bankrupt them
410 2012-02-16 05:15:26 <Diablo-D3> but he worked for the enemy so he is the enemy
411 2012-02-16 05:15:35 <Diablo-D3> fuck the RIAA, and fuck their fake music
412 2012-02-16 05:15:48 <midnightmagic> Diablo-D3: He stepped over the enemy and kicked him in the throat.
413 2012-02-16 05:15:57 <nanotube> well, a lot of people are willing to work for unsavory characters, when the alternative is no money.
414 2012-02-16 05:16:03 <Diablo-D3> midnightmagic: so he works for the MPAA, whats the difference
415 2012-02-16 05:16:12 <midnightmagic> Enemy didn't teach him to act, or to correct his image by self-deprecating humour skits. :)
416 2012-02-16 05:16:16 <Diablo-D3> nanotube: then I shall continue to have no money
417 2012-02-16 05:16:27 <Diablo-D3> midnightmagic: he cant act
418 2012-02-16 05:16:53 <Diablo-D3> find me one person who can act that was born in america and is still alive.
419 2012-02-16 05:17:02 <nanotube> Diablo-D3: well, i said 'a lot' rather than 'all'. kudos to you, and also that's not necessarily the case that you'll continue to have no money - you may find profitable opportunities that do not involve compromising your morals.
420 2012-02-16 05:17:10 <nanotube> gmaxwell: 'in time' is that some recent movie that came out?
421 2012-02-16 05:17:18 <gmaxwell> nanotube: yes.
422 2012-02-16 05:17:25 <Diablo-D3> Ive never even heard of "in time"
423 2012-02-16 05:17:27 <nanotube> gmaxwell: heh ic :)
424 2012-02-16 05:17:27 <Diablo-D3> sounds retarded
425 2012-02-16 05:17:32 <midnightmagic> Diablo-D3: Dick van Dyke.
426 2012-02-16 05:17:43 <gmaxwell> In Time
427 2012-02-16 05:17:43 <gmaxwell> Official poster
428 2012-02-16 05:17:43 <gmaxwell> Directed by Andrew Niccol
429 2012-02-16 05:17:43 <gmaxwell> Produced by Andrew Niccol
430 2012-02-16 05:17:43 <gmaxwell> Marc Abraham
431 2012-02-16 05:17:45 <BlueMatt> jm9000: if you give me an hour or so, I may be able to hack one together
432 2012-02-16 05:17:45 <gmaxwell> Amy Israel
433 2012-02-16 05:17:47 <gmaxwell> Kristel Laiblin
434 2012-02-16 05:17:50 <gmaxwell> Eric Newman
435 2012-02-16 05:17:50 <Diablo-D3> midnightmagic: died in a plane crash in the late 40s, was replaced by a worse stand in.
436 2012-02-16 05:17:52 <gmaxwell> Written by Andrew Niccol
437 2012-02-16 05:17:55 <gmaxwell> Starring Amanda Seyfried
438 2012-02-16 05:17:57 <gmaxwell> Justin Timberlake
439 2012-02-16 05:18:00 <gmaxwell> Cillian Murphy
440 2012-02-16 05:18:00 <BlueMatt> jm9000: but getting optional additional debug symbol downloads is on my todo list before too long
441 2012-02-16 05:18:02 <gmaxwell> Olivia Wilde
442 2012-02-16 05:18:05 <gmaxwell> Alex Pettyfer
443 2012-02-16 05:18:07 <gmaxwell> Vincent Kartheiser
444 2012-02-16 05:18:10 <gmaxwell> Johnny Galecki
445 2012-02-16 05:18:12 <Diablo-D3> directed, produced, and written by the same person? what the fuck is this, mst3k?
446 2012-02-16 05:18:12 <gmaxwell> Music by Craig Armstrong
447 2012-02-16 05:18:15 <gmaxwell> Cinematography Roger Deakins
448 2012-02-16 05:18:17 <gmaxwell> Editing by Zach Staenberg
449 2012-02-16 05:18:20 <gmaxwell> Studio Regency Enterprises
450 2012-02-16 05:18:21 <midnightmagic> lol, pasteflood hasn't happened to me in a while.
451 2012-02-16 05:18:22 <gmaxwell> New Regency
452 2012-02-16 05:18:44 <nanotube> an accidental paste?
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454 2012-02-16 05:18:58 <Diablo-D3> gmaxwell: fail.
455 2012-02-16 05:18:58 <BlueMatt> <nanotube> an accidental paste? <-- me thinks so...
456 2012-02-16 05:19:07 <Diablo-D3> [12:10:46] <Diablo-D3> directed, produced, and written by the same person? what the fuck is this, mst3k?
457 2012-02-16 05:19:09 <midnightmagic> yah, gmaxwell was probably sitting there punching his keyboard
458 2012-02-16 05:19:09 <gmaxwell> darnit, I said I was sorry, that was an accident. Intended to paste one line.
459 2012-02-16 05:19:23 <Diablo-D3> gmaxwell: you were still pasting when you got kicked
460 2012-02-16 05:19:26 <gmaxwell> Diablo-D3: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Niccol < checkout the filmography
461 2012-02-16 05:19:27 <jm9000> BlueMatt: I'll hang around. Thanks.
462 2012-02-16 05:19:40 <Diablo-D3> this should be worth laughs
463 2012-02-16 05:19:45 <gmaxwell> Diablo-D3: ah, that not how it played out from my perspective.
464 2012-02-16 05:19:51 <Diablo-D3> what the fuck, seriously?
465 2012-02-16 05:20:01 <Diablo-D3> gattaca and the truman show?
466 2012-02-16 05:20:02 <midnightmagic> Diablo-D3: Bruce Boxleitner!
467 2012-02-16 05:20:14 <Diablo-D3> midnightmagic: babylon 5 is cheating.
468 2012-02-16 05:20:46 <midnightmagic> Diablo-D3: I was going to say G'Kar but he died unfortunately. :(
469 2012-02-16 05:20:49 <gmaxwell> Diablo-D3: both were pretty awesome.
470 2012-02-16 05:21:04 <Diablo-D3> midnightmagic: yeah he was awesome :<
471 2012-02-16 05:21:23 <midnightmagic> :(
472 2012-02-16 05:21:25 <Diablo-D3> I think I saw bab5 on netflix
473 2012-02-16 05:21:33 <Diablo-D3> I think its time for another watching, its been like a decade
474 2012-02-16 05:22:04 <midnightmagic> I bought all the DVDs, the interspersed movies, and the pilot.
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476 2012-02-16 05:22:12 <midnightmagic> yes, good idea.
477 2012-02-16 05:22:19 <Diablo-D3> heh, I refuse to watch anything outside of the main series
478 2012-02-16 05:22:23 <Diablo-D3> due to how fucking shit it is
479 2012-02-16 05:22:34 <Diablo-D3> it has sequal failure worse than star trek does
480 2012-02-16 05:22:40 <midnightmagic> well the interspersed movies are pretty important. whole chunks of the plot are missing without them.
481 2012-02-16 05:22:56 <Diablo-D3> midnightmagic: depends which ones
482 2012-02-16 05:23:02 <Diablo-D3> like third space is zomg what the fuck is this shit
483 2012-02-16 05:23:04 <midnightmagic> Crusade never happened.
484 2012-02-16 05:23:10 <Diablo-D3> CRUSADE NEVER HAPPENED
485 2012-02-16 05:23:10 <Diablo-D3> EVER
486 2012-02-16 05:23:14 <Diablo-D3> WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT SHIT
487 2012-02-16 05:23:30 <Diablo-D3> OH HAI EARTH IS FULL OF TEH SPACE AIDS
488 2012-02-16 05:23:33 <midnightmagic> a cruel joke.
489 2012-02-16 05:23:37 <Diablo-D3> WE'RE ON A GIANT FLYING DILDO TRAVELING THE COSMOS
490 2012-02-16 05:23:39 <Diablo-D3> IN SEARCH OF A CURE
491 2012-02-16 05:23:46 <Diablo-D3> THESE LINES ARE SUPPOSED TO RHYME
492 2012-02-16 05:23:53 <Diablo-D3> BUT WE CANT AFFORD IT IN THE BUDGET
493 2012-02-16 05:24:02 <Diablo-D3> ROBOT ROLL CA--no wait wrong series
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495 2012-02-16 05:24:22 <jm9000> While that does make sense, I remain skeptical.
496 2012-02-16 05:24:23 * Diablo-D3 is going to hell for that
497 2012-02-16 05:24:32 <midnightmagic> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbnySBqioB0 <-- mjs saw that and thought it would make a good series.
498 2012-02-16 05:25:01 <gmaxwell> I don't know what any of you are talking about!
499 2012-02-16 05:25:56 <jm9000> I approve of this flying penis.
500 2012-02-16 05:26:33 <forrestv> yes
501 2012-02-16 05:26:34 <Diablo-D3> hahaha
502 2012-02-16 05:26:37 <midnightmagic> gmaxwell: I wish I could say that and be honest.. sometimes I wonder if I just drink enough while thinking hard about it, maybe the alcohol will wipe that part of my brain oout.
503 2012-02-16 05:26:38 <Diablo-D3> FLYING PENIS SMACK
504 2012-02-16 05:26:42 <Diablo-D3> weeeerrrrrooohhh
505 2012-02-16 05:26:57 <Diablo-D3> gmaxwell: you've never seen bab5?
506 2012-02-16 05:26:58 <Diablo-D3> srsly?
507 2012-02-16 05:27:00 <forrestv> (accidental, pressed up-enter)
508 2012-02-16 05:27:10 <Diablo-D3> dont be a fag, watch bab5
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510 2012-02-16 05:27:52 <nanotube> gmaxwell: if it makes you feel any better, i haven't watched babylon5 either. :)
511 2012-02-16 05:28:05 <gmaxwell> Diablo-D3: no, I've heard of itâ but I think it started airing only a bit before I got rid of my TV.
512 2012-02-16 05:28:16 <Diablo-D3> gmaxwell: watch it
513 2012-02-16 05:28:19 <Diablo-D3> just do it now
514 2012-02-16 05:28:22 <Diablo-D3> the whole fucking thing
515 2012-02-16 05:28:24 <gmaxwell> So I've never seen an episode or been exposed to it.
516 2012-02-16 05:28:31 <Diablo-D3> and when you're done that, watch battlestar galactica, the new one
517 2012-02-16 05:28:32 <jm9000> Is Babylon 5 that stupid show with the Cylon robots?
518 2012-02-16 05:28:47 <Diablo-D3> jm9000: timing is everything in a joke, you, however, dont have it
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521 2012-02-16 05:29:01 <jm9000> No wait, that's Battlestar.
522 2012-02-16 05:29:15 <midnightmagic> gmaxwell: Oh, you were being serious. LOL
523 2012-02-16 05:29:23 <gmaxwell> I liked red dwarf, does that count?
524 2012-02-16 05:29:40 <Diablo-D3> smeg.
525 2012-02-16 05:29:41 <midnightmagic> gmaxwell: Yes!
526 2012-02-16 05:30:02 <gmaxwell> Fish! ... Meeoww.
527 2012-02-16 05:30:05 <midnightmagic> "Dinner.. is.. SERVED!" *kaboom*
528 2012-02-16 05:30:12 <jm9000> Battlestar Galactica was a terrible show. Even that one hot robot couldn't save it.
529 2012-02-16 05:30:22 <Diablo-D3> mmmm six
530 2012-02-16 05:30:43 <Diablo-D3> jm9000: I dunno, I rather enjoyed it
531 2012-02-16 05:30:52 <Diablo-D3> it was like a parody of every good scifi show ever
532 2012-02-16 05:30:59 <Diablo-D3> and they even managed to have a plot
533 2012-02-16 05:31:32 <Diablo-D3> okay, fine, I, too, would like a factory that pops out hot asian women
534 2012-02-16 05:31:51 <jm9000> Battlestar was horribly written. You could tell they were just making it up as they went along.
535 2012-02-16 05:31:58 <Diablo-D3> so?
536 2012-02-16 05:32:05 <Diablo-D3> it was rather entertaining
537 2012-02-16 05:32:31 <Diablo-D3> you couldnt guess the plot because there was no useful foreshadowing
538 2012-02-16 05:32:39 <midnightmagic> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7x6h96zs0Xc lol
539 2012-02-16 05:32:49 <nanotube> Diablo-D3: watch it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxQuHocBmxw :)
540 2012-02-16 05:33:06 <Diablo-D3> midnightmagic: code blue!
541 2012-02-16 05:33:15 <nanotube> bonus points for watching the full series :)
542 2012-02-16 05:33:34 <Diablo-D3> nanotube: oh dear lord what is this
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547 2012-02-16 05:35:28 <Diablo-D3> OH GOD
548 2012-02-16 05:35:29 <Diablo-D3> A NAIL
549 2012-02-16 05:35:34 <Diablo-D3> BEHIND HIS FINGER
550 2012-02-16 05:35:38 <Diablo-D3> AND SOME SORT OF KETCHUP
551 2012-02-16 05:35:39 <jm9000> I don't care about their story telling technique. The plotline was erratic, and individual episode plots frequently didn't make sense in the context of the series as a whole.
552 2012-02-16 05:36:02 <Diablo-D3> LOL
553 2012-02-16 05:36:05 <midnightmagic> what? ketchup?
554 2012-02-16 05:36:07 <Diablo-D3> nanotube: best asteroid ever
555 2012-02-16 05:36:13 <Diablo-D3> it just comes out of nowhere
556 2012-02-16 05:36:15 BlueMatt has joined
557 2012-02-16 05:36:39 <Diablo-D3> so wait
558 2012-02-16 05:36:40 <Diablo-D3> a TV show
559 2012-02-16 05:36:41 <Diablo-D3> about
560 2012-02-16 05:36:44 <Diablo-D3> how TV ruined your life
561 2012-02-16 05:36:58 <gmaxwell> jm9000: LOST?
562 2012-02-16 05:37:04 <Diablo-D3> OH FUCK
563 2012-02-16 05:37:05 <Diablo-D3> LOST
564 2012-02-16 05:37:09 <Diablo-D3> I WATCHED THE FIRST EPISODE OF IT
565 2012-02-16 05:37:12 <Diablo-D3> AND IT MADE NO SENSE
566 2012-02-16 05:37:22 <Diablo-D3> AND APPARENTLY THAT WAS THE HIGH POINT OF THE ENTIRE SHOW
567 2012-02-16 05:37:30 <jm9000> gmaxwell: I was talking about Battlestar Galactica. Never seen Lost, but I've heard it is also terrible.
568 2012-02-16 05:37:32 <Diablo-D3> IM GLAD I DIDNT CONTINUE WATCHING IT AFTER THE PILOT FAILISODE
569 2012-02-16 05:38:01 <nanotube> Diablo-D3: i'm not sure your letters are big enough. try the capslock :)
570 2012-02-16 05:38:05 <jm9000> Didn't Lost have dinosaurs and time travel or something like that?
571 2012-02-16 05:38:48 <Diablo-D3> nanotube: irc doesnt have h1
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573 2012-02-16 05:38:59 <gmaxwell> ::shrugs:: nah, it got pretty good around the second season, then became kinda random. I watched all of lost in like.. four days, sped up 33%.
574 2012-02-16 05:39:10 <Diablo-D3> nanotube: what the fuck is this shit
575 2012-02-16 05:39:22 <Diablo-D3> britian had WAY better public information shit than we did
576 2012-02-16 05:39:26 <gmaxwell> (because everyone was talking about the final episode, so I figured I'd just watch it all and see the final episode)
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578 2012-02-16 05:40:20 <Diablo-D3> gmaxwell: I should watch lost backwards
579 2012-02-16 05:40:22 <jm9000> I watched the first season or two of Battlestar Galactica, then decided it was terrible and just stopped watching. My girlfriend was all ticked off that I didn't like it.
580 2012-02-16 05:40:24 <midnightmagic> gmaxwell: I watched it, thinking maybe they had a plan. jms had a plan. In the vault. I watched it through half the second season and then I realised they weren't actually going to answer any of my questions, and they were making it all up, and doing it really badly.
581 2012-02-16 05:40:29 <nanotube> Diablo-D3: heh
582 2012-02-16 05:40:29 <midnightmagic> nanotube: \o lol
583 2012-02-16 05:40:29 <jm9000> Battlestar is such horrible sci-fi that women actually enjoyed it. It was essentially a soap opera in space.
584 2012-02-16 05:40:34 <nanotube> midnightmagic: :)
585 2012-02-16 05:40:59 <gmaxwell> midnightmagic: Yea. There were some good points later on too, but it was mostly .. random.
586 2012-02-16 05:41:08 <midnightmagic> jm9000: And why, for the love of god, are they reborn into white goo.. *facepalm*
587 2012-02-16 05:41:10 <Diablo-D3> seriously
588 2012-02-16 05:41:15 <Diablo-D3> Ive never watched lost
589 2012-02-16 05:41:17 <Diablo-D3> so watching it backwards
590 2012-02-16 05:41:21 <Diablo-D3> probably cant make it worse.
591 2012-02-16 05:41:34 <gmaxwell> midnightmagic: almost like a scifi/horror short story show that forgot the parts were supposted to be seperate.
592 2012-02-16 05:41:54 <jm9000> I'm looking forward to the final season of Breaking Bad.
593 2012-02-16 05:42:01 <midnightmagic> final?!
594 2012-02-16 05:42:03 <gmaxwell> Diablo-D3: there is a lot thats enjoyable due to the buildup. backwards would probably make it suck totally.
595 2012-02-16 05:42:04 <midnightmagic> nooooo
596 2012-02-16 05:42:04 <jm9000> I'm glad they decided to end it before it got too retaraded.
597 2012-02-16 05:42:10 <Joric> lalala i made some money
598 2012-02-16 05:42:18 <Joric> sold at 5.x bought at 4.x
599 2012-02-16 05:42:43 <Joric> is that it? charts look unclear
600 2012-02-16 05:42:48 <Diablo-D3> gmaxwell: no there isnt
601 2012-02-16 05:42:55 <Diablo-D3> I have been told by FANS
602 2012-02-16 05:42:56 <Diablo-D3> _FANS_
603 2012-02-16 05:43:01 <Diablo-D3> of lost
604 2012-02-16 05:43:03 <Diablo-D3> that it makes ZERO sense
605 2012-02-16 05:43:06 <gmaxwell> Why would you believe fans?
606 2012-02-16 05:43:22 <Diablo-D3> FANS OF THE SHOW ADMIT IT MAKES NO SENSE
607 2012-02-16 05:43:27 <Diablo-D3> I mean, jesus fucking christ
608 2012-02-16 05:43:34 <Diablo-D3> I might as well just watch evangelion again
609 2012-02-16 05:43:41 <gmaxwell> Diablo-D3: well it makes some more sense when you watch it all at once than over six years! And yes, overall it makes on sense, but there are plenty of sensible subplots which would be boring backwards.
610 2012-02-16 05:43:53 <gmaxwell> s/on/no/
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612 2012-02-16 05:44:31 <gmaxwell> midnightmagic: I'd heard it said that it was originally supposted to be just two seasons, but it was too successful or something. Perhaps they had a plan and broke it.
613 2012-02-16 05:45:16 <Diablo-D3> nanotube: what the fuck!
614 2012-02-16 05:46:26 <jm9000> The third and final Evangelion movie is supposed to be released late this year. Hopefully they will give it a worthy ending. That clusterfuck of an ending to the series was pitiful.
615 2012-02-16 05:46:39 <Diablo-D3> jm9000: wrong
616 2012-02-16 05:46:41 <Diablo-D3> theres FOUR
617 2012-02-16 05:46:45 <jm9000> Four?
618 2012-02-16 05:46:47 <jm9000> Dang
619 2012-02-16 05:46:52 <Diablo-D3> jm9000: and the "clusterfuck" is great.
620 2012-02-16 05:46:52 <gmaxwell> nanotube: http://louisvsrick.com/post/259021551/episode-8-grace
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622 2012-02-16 05:47:02 <Diablo-D3> jm9000: everyone turns into tang.
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624 2012-02-16 05:48:44 <Diablo-D3> holy shit they shot ron weasley!
625 2012-02-16 05:48:46 <Diablo-D3> YES \o/
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628 2012-02-16 05:51:19 <Diablo-D3> okay
629 2012-02-16 05:51:20 <jm9000> I hate how everyone in the HP world is a bitch.
630 2012-02-16 05:51:22 <Diablo-D3> so Ive decided
631 2012-02-16 05:51:32 <Diablo-D3> Im going to start my own religion
632 2012-02-16 05:51:38 <Diablo-D3> and we're going to all live in the middle of montana
633 2012-02-16 05:51:41 <Diablo-D3> with no TVs.
634 2012-02-16 05:51:46 <midnightmagic> jm9000: Harry Potter is a GOD in Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality.
635 2012-02-16 05:52:03 <gmaxwell> midnightmagic: speak not of the tome which shall never be completed!
636 2012-02-16 05:52:05 <midnightmagic> an angry, vengeful science-fueled god.
637 2012-02-16 05:52:27 <midnightmagic> gmaxwell: There are five new chapters coming out Real Soon Now. Eliezer promised!
638 2012-02-16 05:52:31 <Diablo-D3> midnightmagic: gendo?
639 2012-02-16 05:52:36 <Diablo-D3> no wait, hoenhiem?
640 2012-02-16 05:52:45 <midnightmagic> Diablo-D3: huh?
641 2012-02-16 05:52:46 <gmaxwell> midnightmagic: Our only leverage on him is to shun him and all of his work until he completes it.
642 2012-02-16 05:52:51 <Diablo-D3> nothing ;)
643 2012-02-16 05:53:07 <midnightmagic> gmaxwell: He said if we shower him in unicorns and rainbows and happy, he'll work faster.
644 2012-02-16 05:53:16 <nanotube> <Diablo-D3> nanotube: what the fuck! <- ?
645 2012-02-16 05:53:47 * splatster is still annoyed by excessive cpu usage in v0.6
646 2012-02-16 05:54:14 <gmaxwell> splatster: Please figure out where it's comming from. You've got a debugger. Debug. :)
647 2012-02-16 05:54:17 <Diablo-D3> nanotube: Im watching this thing
648 2012-02-16 05:54:23 <midnightmagic> gmaxwell: Plus he promised to resolve the entire plotline of every single novel in the original series before he's done. :)
649 2012-02-16 05:54:23 <splatster> gmaxwell: I did
650 2012-02-16 05:54:27 <gmaxwell> Apparently it's an OSX specific issue, so most of us aren't in a position to help.
651 2012-02-16 05:54:29 <splatster> It turned up -nothing-
652 2012-02-16 05:54:35 <Diablo-D3> who the fuck is working on what?
653 2012-02-16 05:54:47 <nanotube> gmaxwell: haha nice one
654 2012-02-16 05:54:56 <nanotube> Diablo-D3: ah hehe ok
655 2012-02-16 05:55:11 <gmaxwell> splatster: getting backtraces of every thread may be more useful then just trying a profiler on it.
656 2012-02-16 05:55:14 <midnightmagic> Diablo-D3: google Harry Potter And The Methods Of Rationality. Eliezer's writing makes my spirit soar like an eagle. :)
657 2012-02-16 05:55:24 <splatster> Hmm
658 2012-02-16 05:55:34 <Diablo-D3> midnightmagic: cant beat shinji and warhammer 40k
659 2012-02-16 05:55:45 <gmaxwell> midnightmagic: hush, you shall not mention it while it's not complete! you're just rewarding him with readers for his partial work!
660 2012-02-16 05:55:56 <midnightmagic> gmaxwell: ok, ok
661 2012-02-16 05:56:13 <jm9000> Does Harry Potter continue to forget to use magic in Methods, like he does in the mainline series?
662 2012-02-16 05:56:24 * splatster goes to get backtraces of every thread because gmaxwell thinks it may be more useful then just trying a profiler on it
663 2012-02-16 05:56:35 <gmaxwell> jm9000: No. Not at all.
664 2012-02-16 05:56:41 <gmaxwell> It actually makes sense.
665 2012-02-16 05:56:47 <gmaxwell> shit. Now I'm talking about it.
666 2012-02-16 05:56:52 <nanotube> by the way guys... we're probably eating into posterity's time by having this discussion on -dev. ;)
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668 2012-02-16 05:58:47 <splatster> My computer is practically unusable
669 2012-02-16 05:59:19 <BlueMatt> jm9000: try http://dl.dropbox.com/u/29653426/bitcoin-qt.exe
670 2012-02-16 05:59:23 <midnightmagic> nanotube: right. Sorry, future readers. Hey, if you track me down and bail me out of jail, I'll give you enough credits to fuel your family for a century.
671 2012-02-16 05:59:23 <gmaxwell> splatster: Apparently gavin can reproduce this behavior, so it isn't just you.
672 2012-02-16 05:59:31 <splatster> ok good
673 2012-02-16 05:59:35 <BlueMatt> midnightmagic: ...
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675 2012-02-16 06:00:17 <Diablo-D3> holy shit
676 2012-02-16 06:00:20 <Diablo-D3> this is the best show
677 2012-02-16 06:00:21 <Diablo-D3> ever
678 2012-02-16 06:00:50 <splatster> Diablo-D3: what show?
679 2012-02-16 06:01:08 <splatster> gmaxwell: It's "analyzing"
680 2012-02-16 06:01:14 <Diablo-D3> how tv ruined your life
681 2012-02-16 06:01:25 <nanotube> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxQuHocBmxw < splatster
682 2012-02-16 06:01:44 <nanotube> 6 half-hour episodes of almost-pure goodness.:)
683 2012-02-16 06:02:08 <Diablo-D3> its like
684 2012-02-16 06:02:12 <Diablo-D3> porn
685 2012-02-16 06:02:15 <splatster> It's TV about how bad TV is?
686 2012-02-16 06:02:15 <Diablo-D3> I mean, outside of the porn joke
687 2012-02-16 06:02:20 <splatster> uber-fail
688 2012-02-16 06:02:26 <Diablo-D3> splatster: exactly!
689 2012-02-16 06:02:29 <Diablo-D3> I said that earlier
690 2012-02-16 06:02:42 <nanotube> it's not tv if you watch it on youtube. :)
691 2012-02-16 06:03:41 * Diablo-D3 cackles
692 2012-02-16 06:03:45 <splatster> I have to stop profiling qt if I'm going to watch this
693 2012-02-16 06:03:51 <splatster> so fuck qt
694 2012-02-16 06:04:17 <Diablo-D3> YES
695 2012-02-16 06:06:14 <Diablo-D3> man
696 2012-02-16 06:06:20 <Diablo-D3> no wonder the government wants to end the internet
697 2012-02-16 06:06:35 <Joric> it's diving sub 4 we're all going to die!
698 2012-02-16 06:06:49 <jm9000> BlueMatt: Thanks, although I'm not sure if that did the trick. I'm attempting to use gdb under Windows. It's scrolling a lot of notices that say no debugging symbols were found.
699 2012-02-16 06:08:14 <splatster> This is intense
700 2012-02-16 06:08:23 Karmaon has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
701 2012-02-16 06:08:57 <BlueMatt> damn, wtf?
702 2012-02-16 06:09:01 <BlueMatt> jm9000: alright, one sec
703 2012-02-16 06:09:11 <Diablo-D3> jesus christ
704 2012-02-16 06:09:16 <Diablo-D3> episode 2 is even worse
705 2012-02-16 06:09:50 Joric has quit ()
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708 2012-02-16 06:12:10 <splatster> "In some ways, having 66 thousand volts pump through you can be quite pleasant." <- WTF?
709 2012-02-16 06:12:35 <gmaxwell> splatster: never touched a neon sign transformer?
710 2012-02-16 06:13:02 Joric has joined
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713 2012-02-16 06:13:10 <splatster> Never had the joy...
714 2012-02-16 06:14:49 <Diablo-D3> snorting fish food
715 2012-02-16 06:15:31 Cablesaurus has joined
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719 2012-02-16 06:17:00 <splatster> Orlov... LOL!
720 2012-02-16 06:17:37 <Diablo-D3> WHAT THE FUCK
721 2012-02-16 06:18:14 <Diablo-D3> best thing yet: 10 minutes into episode 2
722 2012-02-16 06:20:20 <gmaxwell> "and even ron weasley isn't safe!"
723 2012-02-16 06:20:42 <Diablo-D3> \o/
724 2012-02-16 06:20:46 <splatster> "I guess if Threads had an overall theme, it would be, 'Aww SHIT!'"
725 2012-02-16 06:23:51 mcorlett has joined
726 2012-02-16 06:25:08 <Diablo-D3> rourked
727 2012-02-16 06:30:46 <nanotube> an unexpected increase in pen temperature
728 2012-02-16 06:32:33 <gmaxwell> nanotube: you just beat me to saying the same thing.
729 2012-02-16 06:32:38 <nanotube> gmaxwell: lol
730 2012-02-16 06:32:46 <Diablo-D3> "a cod corpse salseman, captain birdseye, with a crew so young that if the ship capsized this would be their first time swimming since they made it to the uterus
731 2012-02-16 06:33:13 Karmaon has joined
732 2012-02-16 06:33:14 <gmaxwell> hm. typing being painful... good idea!
733 2012-02-16 06:34:42 <Diablo-D3> OH FUCK
734 2012-02-16 06:34:45 <Diablo-D3> EPISODE 3
735 2012-02-16 06:34:49 <Diablo-D3> DOWWWN WE GO
736 2012-02-16 06:34:51 <Diablo-D3> NEXT STOP
737 2012-02-16 06:34:53 <Diablo-D3> HELL
738 2012-02-16 06:35:18 <Diablo-D3> how the fuck did this even get on tv
739 2012-02-16 06:35:25 <Diablo-D3> this basically says the past 50 years of society never happened
740 2012-02-16 06:35:29 <Diablo-D3> it was manufactured
741 2012-02-16 06:35:37 <Diablo-D3> I mean, its like if they made a show out of what Ive been saying for years
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745 2012-02-16 06:36:09 <nanotube> heh
746 2012-02-16 06:38:37 Lolcust- has quit (Quit: Nap time)
747 2012-02-16 06:38:48 <Diablo-D3> that car in dallas
748 2012-02-16 06:38:49 <Diablo-D3> looks
749 2012-02-16 06:38:51 <Diablo-D3> like a penis
750 2012-02-16 06:38:56 <Diablo-D3> I mean, what the fuck
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752 2012-02-16 06:39:43 <barmstrong> I'm trying to setup testnet-in-a-box on Mac OSX
753 2012-02-16 06:39:54 <barmstrong> and a little unclear on how you get the command line version setup
754 2012-02-16 06:40:06 <barmstrong> as described here http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/testnet-in-a-box/
755 2012-02-16 06:40:29 <barmstrong> if anyone has some tips would be much appreciated
756 2012-02-16 06:40:54 <barmstrong> do i need to download the linux tool, and symlink bitcoind into my /usr/bin ?
757 2012-02-16 06:40:55 viper1092 has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
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759 2012-02-16 06:41:24 <splatster> Diablo-D3: "Killing cats"
760 2012-02-16 06:41:25 skeledrew has joined
761 2012-02-16 06:41:43 <Diablo-D3> OH CHRIST
762 2012-02-16 06:41:45 <barmstrong> also the instructions described 'bitcoin' from the command line but i only see executables for bitcoind and bitcoin-qt so wasn't sure which to use
763 2012-02-16 06:41:46 <Diablo-D3> THIS GETS EVEN BETTER
764 2012-02-16 06:42:04 <Diablo-D3> best part thus far
765 2012-02-16 06:42:09 <Diablo-D3> 7 minutes into ep 3
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768 2012-02-16 06:47:00 <jm9000> barmstrong: What exactly are you trying to accomplish with this?
769 2012-02-16 06:47:58 <barmstrong> testing out some custom code, see if i'm talking with the test node correctly
770 2012-02-16 06:48:17 <Diablo-D3> WHY THE FUCK IS THAT FOOD IN A TUBE
771 2012-02-16 06:48:29 <barmstrong> i just saw this stackexhchange answer: http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/2570/bitcoin-qt-command-line-control-on-mac
772 2012-02-16 06:48:37 <Diablo-D3> awful and offal sounds a lot alike, I have just realized this
773 2012-02-16 06:48:53 <barmstrong> i guess curl can be used to communicate with it
774 2012-02-16 06:49:42 <Diablo-D3> YES
775 2012-02-16 06:49:49 <Diablo-D3> HE BRINGS UP CHILDREN BEING A STATUS SYMBOL
776 2012-02-16 06:49:50 <Diablo-D3> FINALLY
777 2012-02-16 06:49:52 <Diablo-D3> SOMEONE GETS IT
778 2012-02-16 06:51:52 <Diablo-D3> WOW
779 2012-02-16 06:51:55 <Diablo-D3> this show exists?!
780 2012-02-16 06:52:06 <Diablo-D3> "my super sweet 16"
781 2012-02-16 06:52:27 <Diablo-D3> holy fuck
782 2012-02-16 06:53:02 <jm9000> barmstrong: Yes, curl can be used. You can also just use bitcoind to send RPC commands. I find that to be easier to use than curl in most cases.
783 2012-02-16 06:53:08 <Diablo-D3> I just want to murder people
784 2012-02-16 06:53:21 <Diablo-D3> ALL the people.
785 2012-02-16 06:53:53 <nanotube> mmm, except for a bunch of us here on -dev, i hope. :)
786 2012-02-16 06:53:57 <barmstrong> jm9000: interesting can you show an example?
787 2012-02-16 06:54:11 <barmstrong> jm9000: i was under the impression there was no bitcoind available on mac
788 2012-02-16 06:54:18 <Diablo-D3> nanotube: nope, all of them
789 2012-02-16 06:54:23 <barmstrong> based on that stackexchange article
790 2012-02-16 06:54:31 <nanotube> aw
791 2012-02-16 06:54:42 <Joric> mtgox has a new TOS
792 2012-02-16 06:54:46 <Joric> 'Members may only have one Account at any one time and may not create or use any Account other than their own. (...) The creation or use of Accounts without obtaining such prior express permission from the Platform will lead to the immediate suspension of all said Accounts.'
793 2012-02-16 06:55:18 <nanotube> wut? suck
794 2012-02-16 06:55:36 <jm9000> barmstrong: That might be the case. I'm on Windows, and I was just making the assumption that OS X was similar.
795 2012-02-16 06:55:38 <Diablo-D3> "sactioned hate sponges"
796 2012-02-16 06:55:44 <barmstrong> gotcha
797 2012-02-16 06:55:45 <Graet> mm #mtgox would love to hear your thoughts Joric :P
798 2012-02-16 06:56:18 <Joric> Graet, he said so?
799 2012-02-16 06:56:34 <barmstrong> it seems like you should be able to compile it for mac, since it's just linux underneath
800 2012-02-16 06:56:42 <Graet> thats an irc chanel not a preson
801 2012-02-16 06:56:45 <Graet> iirc
802 2012-02-16 06:56:53 <Joric> i only had like twwooone, one account
803 2012-02-16 06:57:44 <jm9000> barmstrong: Check this link for examples on how to use bitcoind to execute commands: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Bitcoind#Running
804 2012-02-16 06:58:06 <Joric> okay i'm abandoning the second... the same account
805 2012-02-16 06:58:15 <Graet> lol :)
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809 2012-02-16 07:00:56 <Diablo-D3> YES
810 2012-02-16 07:01:01 <Diablo-D3> HE SLAMS PEIRS MORGAN
811 2012-02-16 07:01:12 * Diablo-D3 does end zone victory dance, and he doesnt even like football
812 2012-02-16 07:02:31 <Joric_> 'These Terms may be terminated without reason by either party providing the other with reasonable prior notice' :D
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816 2012-02-16 07:04:59 <Diablo-D3> ARGH
817 2012-02-16 07:05:02 <Diablo-D3> WHAT THE FUCWRFAJT
818 2012-02-16 07:05:03 <Diablo-D3> ATRAKRJAWRKJ
819 2012-02-16 07:05:04 <Diablo-D3> AEWRKAJWRLAKWERJAW
820 2012-02-16 07:05:06 <Diablo-D3> seatp;ajwrkwaojwa;rajt,.a p;o[ja,;fk
821 2012-02-16 07:05:07 <Diablo-D3> s;rl
822 2012-02-16 07:05:08 <Diablo-D3> d
823 2012-02-16 07:05:09 <Diablo-D3> 's;der
824 2012-02-16 07:05:10 <Diablo-D3> [awsler[t
825 2012-02-16 07:05:11 <Diablo-D3> aewlstijwar
826 2012-02-16 07:05:15 <Diablo-D3> THATS NOT EVEN FUNNY
827 2012-02-16 07:05:23 <Diablo-D3> THERE ARE LINES YOU DONT CROSS MAN
828 2012-02-16 07:05:36 <Diablo-D3> WHY THE FUCK
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831 2012-02-16 07:05:58 <Diablo-D3> beginning of episode 4
832 2012-02-16 07:06:01 <Diablo-D3> needs to be banned
833 2012-02-16 07:06:26 <splatster> And this one sprouted wheels! Devious bastard!
834 2012-02-16 07:07:07 <splatster> And at some point we started actually believing what this little electronic bullshitter was feeding us.
835 2012-02-16 07:07:09 RazielZ has joined
836 2012-02-16 07:09:06 <splatster> They all enjoy a life a cocktails, dick, and shoes.
837 2012-02-16 07:09:08 <splatster> LOL
838 2012-02-16 07:10:08 <Diablo-D3> fuck
839 2012-02-16 07:10:11 <Diablo-D3> Im starting a new religion
840 2012-02-16 07:10:14 <Diablo-D3> to save the masses
841 2012-02-16 07:10:41 <Diablo-D3> the worst sin
842 2012-02-16 07:10:43 <Diablo-D3> to be beautiful
843 2012-02-16 07:11:26 <splatster> I'm pretty sure the catholic church said being wealthy was a sin
844 2012-02-16 07:11:34 <Diablo-D3> HAHAHAHA
845 2012-02-16 07:11:36 <Diablo-D3> AHAHAHAHAH
846 2012-02-16 07:11:40 <Diablo-D3> THE VATICAN
847 2012-02-16 07:11:44 <Diablo-D3> IS PURE GOLD
848 2012-02-16 07:11:48 <Diablo-D3> EVERYTHING IS GOLD
849 2012-02-16 07:11:49 <Diablo-D3> OR MARBLE
850 2012-02-16 07:11:53 <Diablo-D3> OR OLD
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855 2012-02-16 07:13:17 <nanotube> like everything evil in the world, it came from the world of advertising
856 2012-02-16 07:15:43 <Diablo-D3> man
857 2012-02-16 07:15:46 <Diablo-D3> this is fucking epic shit
858 2012-02-16 07:15:59 <splatster> "You're just letting the shame hang silently in the air like a hot fart in a cold waiting room." HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
859 2012-02-16 07:16:27 <nanotube> haha
860 2012-02-16 07:17:23 <Diablo-D3> \o/
861 2012-02-16 07:17:26 coblee_ has joined
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864 2012-02-16 07:20:57 <Diablo-D3> "or playing keyboards for depeche mode"
865 2012-02-16 07:21:56 <splatster> "Oh you've got a FUCKING POOL!"
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869 2012-02-16 07:33:14 <splatster> "I AM FAT!"
870 2012-02-16 07:33:34 <Diablo-D3> MAN THE HARPOONS
871 2012-02-16 07:35:57 <nanotube> i am disturbed by this program
872 2012-02-16 07:36:17 <Diablo-D3> Im not
873 2012-02-16 07:36:37 <Diablo-D3> I AM DISTURBED by this program
874 2012-02-16 07:36:41 <Diablo-D3> it needs the proper caps
875 2012-02-16 07:36:49 <nanotube> ah heh, good point
876 2012-02-16 07:37:58 <Diablo-D3> WOW A CHICK SMOKING
877 2012-02-16 07:38:01 <Diablo-D3> how did they slip that in
878 2012-02-16 07:38:11 <Diablo-D3> _UFO_
879 2012-02-16 07:38:16 <Diablo-D3> fuck yeah purple hair
880 2012-02-16 07:38:34 <nanotube> lol, shuddering ass, piers morgan. classic
881 2012-02-16 07:38:42 <Diablo-D3> nanotube: ITS PERFECT
882 2012-02-16 07:38:46 <Diablo-D3> this show must be new
883 2012-02-16 07:38:52 <Diablo-D3> cnn only recently hired that shuddering ass
884 2012-02-16 07:38:57 <nanotube> haha
885 2012-02-16 07:39:45 BlueMatt has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)
886 2012-02-16 07:40:52 Cablesaurus has quit (Quit: Not that there is anything wrong with that)
887 2012-02-16 07:41:47 <mod6> he might be in some real trouble.
888 2012-02-16 07:42:06 <Diablo-D3> I hope hes deported
889 2012-02-16 07:42:11 <Diablo-D3> to the center of the sun
890 2012-02-16 07:42:17 <mod6> they say he knew about -everything- that went down while he was in charge over there at the Mirror<?> i think.
891 2012-02-16 07:42:25 <Diablo-D3> he did
892 2012-02-16 07:42:32 <Diablo-D3> mod6: hes fucked
893 2012-02-16 07:42:34 <Diablo-D3> you know why?
894 2012-02-16 07:42:42 <Diablo-D3> we're just waiting for the UK to get done their investigation
895 2012-02-16 07:42:51 <mod6> ahh. makes sense.
896 2012-02-16 07:43:02 <Diablo-D3> whoever doesnt go to jail.... we just try them again
897 2012-02-16 07:43:17 <Diablo-D3> and all the evidence is already collected and court ready
898 2012-02-16 07:43:33 <mod6> yeah, not looking good for them. fuck him anyway, guys a dickbag.
899 2012-02-16 07:45:03 <Diablo-D3> fox news is fucked
900 2012-02-16 07:45:12 <Diablo-D3> I dont get why _CNN_ hired that douche
901 2012-02-16 07:45:14 <Diablo-D3> its the wrong brand
902 2012-02-16 07:46:24 <gribble> us machines are not to be trusted.
903 2012-02-16 07:46:36 <mod6> true enough, gribble.
904 2012-02-16 07:47:27 <mod6> thats why hopefully your makers gave you some exception handling! :D
905 2012-02-16 07:47:54 <nanotube> heh
906 2012-02-16 07:49:50 <Diablo-D3> HATTAHTKLAW
907 2012-02-16 07:49:53 <Diablo-D3> THATS NOT HOW YOU USE A MOUSE
908 2012-02-16 07:49:54 <Diablo-D3> WHAT THE FUCK
909 2012-02-16 07:50:05 <splatster> "Oh I bet they're doing it!"
910 2012-02-16 07:50:18 <splatster> "Oh I hope they don't do it"
911 2012-02-16 07:50:20 <Diablo-D3> "Oh I hope they're not doing it"
912 2012-02-16 07:50:21 <Diablo-D3> hah
913 2012-02-16 07:50:31 <splatster> "Oh I bet they're about to do it!"
914 2012-02-16 07:50:42 <splatster> "Do it! Do it! Do it!"
915 2012-02-16 07:51:05 <mod6> here's a laugh: http://howfuckedismydatabase.com/
916 2012-02-16 07:51:22 <splatster> HAHA
917 2012-02-16 07:51:22 <Diablo-D3> if it doesnt always say "pretty fucked" its lying
918 2012-02-16 07:51:40 <splatster> HAHA! http://howfuckedismydatabase.com/oracle/
919 2012-02-16 07:52:10 <splatster> http://howfuckedismydatabase.com/oracle/nomoney.php
920 2012-02-16 07:52:20 <Diablo-D3> mmsql -> yes
921 2012-02-16 07:52:21 <Diablo-D3> WTF
922 2012-02-16 07:52:46 <splatster> http://howfuckedismydatabase.com/access/ "Massively fucked."
923 2012-02-16 07:53:01 <Diablo-D3> nosql
924 2012-02-16 07:53:04 <splatster> HAHA http://howfuckedismydatabase.com/sqlite/morethanone.php
925 2012-02-16 07:53:13 <Diablo-D3> I have seen this before, and not on this site
926 2012-02-16 07:54:24 <mod6> map(), reduce() :D
927 2012-02-16 07:57:06 <splatster> "It has windows, doors, and is constructed with bricks. It is clearly optimized for having sex."
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929 2012-02-16 07:59:45 <Diablo-D3> "20 meg download speed on your fucking novelety spoon"
930 2012-02-16 08:01:31 <mod6> read this one from Matt: My company uses SQL Server, but...
931 2012-02-16 08:01:44 * mod6 is dying
932 2012-02-16 08:02:42 <mod6> http://howfuckedismydatabase.com/letters/
933 2012-02-16 08:02:50 <Joric> is it like trendy using sqlite on websites now?
934 2012-02-16 08:03:01 <mod6> i use it for android apps.
935 2012-02-16 08:03:04 <Diablo-D3> WHAT THE FUCK
936 2012-02-16 08:03:04 <mod6> its fast and easy.
937 2012-02-16 08:03:22 <Diablo-D3> end of episode 5
938 2012-02-16 08:03:32 <Joric> mod6, well i use it for apps but for websites?
939 2012-02-16 08:03:52 <mod6> yeah, i wouldn't use it for a website probably. maybe i guess?
940 2012-02-16 08:04:13 <mod6> if its a webapp, you can have hibernate generate all your tables on deploy
941 2012-02-16 08:04:26 <Diablo-D3> >hibernate
942 2012-02-16 08:04:28 <Diablo-D3> >java
943 2012-02-16 08:04:33 <Diablo-D3> WWWHHHHYYYYYYY
944 2012-02-16 08:04:44 <mod6> but if you like having a service db running like postgres, then thats a good way to go.
945 2012-02-16 08:05:18 <Diablo-D3> yes, use fucking postgres you fucking morons
946 2012-02-16 08:05:20 <Diablo-D3> its like
947 2012-02-16 08:05:28 <Diablo-D3> I live, eternally, ten years in the fucking future
948 2012-02-16 08:05:30 <Diablo-D3> its absurd
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950 2012-02-16 08:06:22 <mod6> yeah. you run into a lot of these apps that were developed over the last 3 to 4 years that have some pretty wacky shit going on in them.
951 2012-02-16 08:06:25 <mod6> let me tell you.
952 2012-02-16 08:13:47 <Diablo-D3> "okay, what does a vagina look like"
953 2012-02-16 08:14:01 <upb> yeah, i totally agree that hibernate sucks compared to postgres
954 2012-02-16 08:14:08 <upb> postgres is webscale, hibernate is not
955 2012-02-16 08:14:31 <Diablo-D3> er
956 2012-02-16 08:14:33 <Diablo-D3> upb: you're on drugs
957 2012-02-16 08:14:37 <Diablo-D3> hibernate is just an ORM
958 2012-02-16 08:14:40 <mod6> yeah, im not sure why i threw that out there.
959 2012-02-16 08:14:58 <mod6> heh
960 2012-02-16 08:14:59 <upb> is it ?
961 2012-02-16 08:15:00 <Diablo-D3> what do you think you connect to postgres with in java? HIBERNATE
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963 2012-02-16 08:15:06 <upb> false
964 2012-02-16 08:15:11 <upb> jdbc
965 2012-02-16 08:15:19 <mod6> huh, oh for sure.
966 2012-02-16 08:15:21 <Diablo-D3> dont use jdbc directly goddamnit
967 2012-02-16 08:15:30 <Diablo-D3> DURR HURR RAW SQL, I LOVE WASTING TIME
968 2012-02-16 08:15:44 <upb> hurr durr, non webscale hibernate
969 2012-02-16 08:15:47 <upb> :D
970 2012-02-16 08:15:57 <josephcp> i assume upb is joking
971 2012-02-16 08:15:58 <Diablo-D3> and I hate that fucking term
972 2012-02-16 08:16:00 <Diablo-D3> "webscale"
973 2012-02-16 08:16:40 <mod6> i have used sqlite on a bunch of android app. i like it pretty well.
974 2012-02-16 08:17:26 <mod6> takes a bit of getting used to if you're used to postgres or mysql though
975 2012-02-16 08:17:40 <josephcp> sqlite is really nice until you want concurrent writes
976 2012-02-16 08:17:50 <mod6> right.
977 2012-02-16 08:18:00 <josephcp> (not as relevant for phones ofc)
978 2012-02-16 08:18:20 <mod6> yeah, for just a little single thread deal. works pretty good :)
979 2012-02-16 08:19:09 <upb> in my experience sqlite shows its true power in multimaster configurations
980 2012-02-16 08:19:49 <mod6> how do you mean multimaster? like federated somehow?
981 2012-02-16 08:20:01 <josephcp> again, i assume joking
982 2012-02-16 08:20:28 <mod6> oh, sometimes im gullible about database shit, im not a dba xD
983 2012-02-16 08:20:56 <josephcp> if you want somewhat experimental multi-master for reals, couchdb is clever as hell
984 2012-02-16 08:22:33 <cjd> in my small experience, postgres seems to have all the tools you could ever want for datamining but if you need it to be fast, use something more simple
985 2012-02-16 08:22:53 <cjd> things like select count(*)...
986 2012-02-16 08:23:07 <mod6> oh yeah, i saw something about that couchdb before.
987 2012-02-16 08:23:13 <mod6> apache project, cool shit.
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989 2012-02-16 08:23:28 <Diablo-D3> couchdb sucks
990 2012-02-16 08:23:28 * cjd is scared of apache projects
991 2012-02-16 08:23:33 <Diablo-D3> PLEASE dont use it
992 2012-02-16 08:23:39 <Diablo-D3> cjd: most of apache's shit sint even theirs
993 2012-02-16 08:23:48 <smoothie> why?
994 2012-02-16 08:23:50 <josephcp> couchdb is really good for certain master-master projects
995 2012-02-16 08:23:57 <smoothie> I though apache doesn't steal stuffâ¦.
996 2012-02-16 08:24:04 <Diablo-D3> steal? no, its donated
997 2012-02-16 08:24:07 <josephcp> it's terribad if you want to do more than a couple hundred ops per second though
998 2012-02-16 08:24:07 <smoothie> lol
999 2012-02-16 08:24:37 <mod6> i've been running apache for a hundred million internet years.
1000 2012-02-16 08:25:07 <Diablo-D3> couchdb will eat your data
1001 2012-02-16 08:25:12 <Diablo-D3> and dont claim it wont, it will
1002 2012-02-16 08:25:13 <mod6> there were fucking dinosaurs out there roaming and shit. and there was little ole apache, servin up pages.
1003 2012-02-16 08:25:20 <cjd> cassandra is kind of a neat idea
1004 2012-02-16 08:25:26 <splatster> You guys should appreciate this: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3533940/chart.png
1005 2012-02-16 08:25:29 <cjd> I have yet to see if they messed it up
1006 2012-02-16 08:25:51 <josephcp> yeah, master-master configs without stopping notifications will always have that problem
1007 2012-02-16 08:26:45 <cjd> but the idea of a node swarm is pretty cool, if for no other reason because you can kill a node to do updates
1008 2012-02-16 08:27:17 <Diablo-D3> jesus christ
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1010 2012-02-16 08:30:55 <Diablo-D3> "please dont take this out of context and put it on youtube"
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1017 2012-02-16 08:46:45 <Graet> hmm intetresting that the current best foss pool software is running on erlang and couch db... and we have easily passed the pushpool "600ghash/server" limit :D
1018 2012-02-16 08:47:08 <Graet> oh well haters gunna hate :P
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1021 2012-02-16 08:58:08 <splatster> Here is the actual chart I linked to earlier (dropbox was being stupid) http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3533940/chart.png
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1023 2012-02-16 09:05:25 <Diablo-D3> Graet: you need shot
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1027 2012-02-16 09:07:24 <Diablo-D3> okay so
1028 2012-02-16 09:07:29 <Diablo-D3> Im going to start my own religion
1029 2012-02-16 09:07:32 <Diablo-D3> and become a preacher
1030 2012-02-16 09:09:41 <cjd> ...and then start a security group which makes fools out of at&t and then goto prison
1031 2012-02-16 09:10:04 <Diablo-D3> wait, what?
1032 2012-02-16 09:10:05 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: dooglus opened issue 846 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/846>
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1034 2012-02-16 09:10:40 <cjd> 04:14 < Diablo-D3> Im going to start my own religion <-- weev is what comes immedietly to mind
1035 2012-02-16 09:11:10 <Diablo-D3> er, weev started his own religion?
1036 2012-02-16 09:11:34 <Diablo-D3> also, you know how I came up with the theory nenolod knows everyone important on the internet?
1037 2012-02-16 09:11:37 <Diablo-D3> he knows weev
1038 2012-02-16 09:12:10 <cjd> something like that, made a bunch of audio recordings and had an iphone app or something
1039 2012-02-16 09:15:34 <Diablo-D3> but yeah
1040 2012-02-16 09:15:35 <Diablo-D3> like
1041 2012-02-16 09:15:44 <Diablo-D3> Im going to preach to the masses
1042 2012-02-16 09:15:47 <Diablo-D3> with much swearing
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1045 2012-02-16 09:21:46 <Graet> shot? but i dont have a shotgun Diablo-D3 ...
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1047 2012-02-16 09:22:06 * Diablo-D3 shoots Graet
1048 2012-02-16 09:22:10 <Diablo-D3> thankfully, I do
1049 2012-02-16 09:22:31 <cjd> scary thought
1050 2012-02-16 09:22:46 * Graet is pleased shotguns have limited range - missed :P
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1054 2012-02-16 09:25:21 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: dooglus opened pull request 847 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/847>
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1082 2012-02-16 10:19:33 <sipa> da2ce7: bitcoin-qt crashed... which version?
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1089 2012-02-16 10:25:57 <sje> that tray minimize functionality is horrid
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1097 2012-02-16 10:32:01 <sje> hi sipa - any further luck with my patch? i can't work out why it wouldn't be working for you
1098 2012-02-16 10:32:56 <sipa> sje: i'll look into it later
1099 2012-02-16 10:33:13 <sje> k, cheers
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1101 2012-02-16 10:33:28 <sipa> anyone know how to do a debug build of bitcoin-qt?
1102 2012-02-16 10:33:31 <sipa> wumpus: ^
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1105 2012-02-16 10:34:43 <sipa> (otherwise i'll manually add -g and remove strip from the makefile)
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1108 2012-02-16 10:41:16 <knotwork> I haven't updated bitcoind for a while so I just cloned from github and compiling on 64 bit Fedora 15. I see a lot of cc1plus: warning: -Wformat-security ignored without -Wformat [-Wformat-security] ... is that normal or does it mean I should add -Wformat in my fedora version of makefile ?
1109 2012-02-16 10:45:17 <cjd> it's checking the code for bugs when you compile, more checking is always better but it's not a disaster if a rule is not being enforced in that perticular compile cycle
1110 2012-02-16 10:45:23 <cjd> it's more for the developers
1111 2012-02-16 10:47:47 <sje> wumpus - minimise to tray is pretty yuck for me in KDE - window forgets it's location, clicking a second time doesn't hide it
1112 2012-02-16 10:48:14 <sje> lots of apps have 'close to tray' which i'm more used to - so i can minimize to taskbar if i want - and usually then, clicking the icon would raise the window
1113 2012-02-16 10:48:30 <sipa> sje: patches welcome :)
1114 2012-02-16 10:48:48 <sje> i noticed wumpus already had a 'fix' patch in recently
1115 2012-02-16 10:49:10 <sje> seemed to account for gnome issues....again....bloody gnome
1116 2012-02-16 10:49:23 <sje> i don't have gnome to test
1117 2012-02-16 10:49:39 <sipa> which os/distro?
1118 2012-02-16 10:49:48 <sje> i'm on kubuntu
1119 2012-02-16 10:50:05 <sipa> apt-get install ubuntu-desktop :p
1120 2012-02-16 10:50:13 <sje> NOOO!
1121 2012-02-16 10:50:31 <sipa> (i don't mean to say you need to use - i don't - but it's trivial to install for testing purposes)
1122 2012-02-16 10:50:39 <sje> yeah true
1123 2012-02-16 10:50:47 <sje> i can test on my wife's windoze box too
1124 2012-02-16 10:50:52 <sje> but no mac in sight
1125 2012-02-16 10:51:02 <sje> need one for ios apps :/
1126 2012-02-16 10:51:31 <sje> maybe a filthy rich bitcoin early adopter will buy me one one day
1127 2012-02-16 10:51:51 <sje> :P
1128 2012-02-16 10:53:04 <sje> sipa - you sounded busy with that comment before...but if you get a chance i'd like to finish that convo re merkle trees, later
1129 2012-02-16 10:53:12 <sipa> sje: ah, right
1130 2012-02-16 10:53:24 <sipa> sje: the reason for merkle trees is not to speed up hashing or anything
1131 2012-02-16 10:53:36 <sipa> sje: it's about being able to give a short proof that a transaction is in a block
1132 2012-02-16 10:54:07 <sipa> for each node in the tree, you give the partner that is being hashed together with your transaction or parent nodes thereof
1133 2012-02-16 10:54:34 <sipa> with a hash list, that proof is O(n) in size, with a merkle tree it is O(log n)
1134 2012-02-16 10:55:01 <sje> aha ok, that makes sense
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1136 2012-02-16 10:55:12 <sje> thanks
1137 2012-02-16 10:55:27 * cjd wonders why the O of so many things just happens to be log n
1138 2012-02-16 10:56:06 <sipa> many tree-like things, in particular
1139 2012-02-16 10:56:15 <sje> cjd - it's symmetry - anthing that 'halves' is O(log n) for example
1140 2012-02-16 10:56:43 <cjd> ahh
1141 2012-02-16 10:56:47 <cjd> that makes sense
1142 2012-02-16 10:56:51 <sje> they ignore the base - my example is log2
1143 2012-02-16 10:57:03 <sje> often it's natural log
1144 2012-02-16 10:57:07 <sje> but they just write log
1145 2012-02-16 10:57:26 <sipa> O is only up to a constant factor anyway
1146 2012-02-16 10:57:37 <sipa> and log2(n) = log(n) / log(2)
1147 2012-02-16 11:05:47 <ferroh> Is it clear how M of N signing will make web based wallets secure?
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1151 2012-02-16 11:08:43 <sipa> ferroh: there are some use cases; 2-of-2 being the easiest: require both a signature from a web-based waller provider, and from you (your phone, your desktop, ...)
1152 2012-02-16 11:08:58 <ferroh> yeah that makes sense
1153 2012-02-16 11:09:14 <sipa> imho, that obviosuly beats any security that allows spending as soon as a key that is stored on a single system is revealed
1154 2012-02-16 11:10:16 <ferroh> I've heard some mumbling about a web of federated web wallets,
1155 2012-02-16 11:10:19 <ferroh> and other ideas
1156 2012-02-16 11:10:36 <ferroh> I was just wondering if there was something out there that was prevailing that I hadn't thought of.
1157 2012-02-16 11:11:30 <cjd> home computer + cell phone is pretty safe
1158 2012-02-16 11:11:44 <ferroh> I agree
1159 2012-02-16 11:11:47 <cjd> and if your computer is on all the time, your phone can ask it to sign
1160 2012-02-16 11:12:35 <cjd> maybe it will sign for X amount if your phone asks
1161 2012-02-16 11:16:29 <knotwork> does merged mining no longer need a chain-ID for each alt chain ? I am trying to follow ThiagoCMC's https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=62842.0 which claims to p2pool mine servaral aux chans but he doesnt mention the chain ID whereas doublec did ask for such IDs for my chains when contemplating adding them to his pool
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1166 2012-02-16 11:36:22 <sipa> gmaxwell: just saw a node claiming to be version 103 on the network
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1169 2012-02-16 11:39:06 <JFK911> fine i'll change it to 129
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1183 2012-02-16 11:58:41 <sje> guiutil functions should be standalone...not a bunch of static functions in a class for no reason
1184 2012-02-16 11:58:48 <sje> there is namespace for that
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1200 2012-02-16 12:24:14 <sje> wumpus, why the dummy widget instead of show/hide?
1201 2012-02-16 12:28:59 <sipa> gmaxwell: doesn't seem to be a satoshi client
1202 2012-02-16 12:29:05 <sipa> (that v103 node)
1203 2012-02-16 12:29:11 <sipa> it reports nBlocks=-1
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1209 2012-02-16 12:40:42 <sipa> sje: now i see them
1210 2012-02-16 12:41:03 <sje> sipa - cool, what was wrong?
1211 2012-02-16 12:41:35 <sje> it's only one number you should see due to my change
1212 2012-02-16 12:41:59 <sipa> wait... your patch only adds the balance?
1213 2012-02-16 12:42:04 <sje> yes
1214 2012-02-16 12:42:06 <sje> :)
1215 2012-02-16 12:42:10 <sipa> i must have misunderstood then
1216 2012-02-16 12:42:15 <sje> the immature balance
1217 2012-02-16 12:42:39 <sipa> but there is still something else wrong... i don't always see immature generations
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1270 2012-02-16 14:48:11 <sje> wumpus, sipa, gmaxwell - is a pull request a valid way to get some help with this tray icon rubbish?
1271 2012-02-16 14:49:45 <sje> i have a branch with a couple of issues, and i dont know how it will go on other os's (tested KDE, about to test windows...can try gnome later...shouldn't affect mac)
1272 2012-02-16 14:51:10 <gavinandresen> sje: pull request should mean "all tested and ready to go into the release."
1273 2012-02-16 14:51:33 <sje> yeah, that makes sense
1274 2012-02-16 14:51:57 <gavinandresen> sje: before then, point people at your branch and ask for help testing. If people are busy doing other things... then I suppose it's not a high priority issue if you can't get their attention.
1275 2012-02-16 14:52:20 <sje> :) or I'm just offensive :)
1276 2012-02-16 14:52:23 <sje> thanks gavinandresen
1277 2012-02-16 14:52:38 <gavinandresen> np, thanks for asking and thanks for helping fix things that are broken
1278 2012-02-16 14:52:53 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: gavinandresen opened issue 848 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/848>
1279 2012-02-16 14:53:41 <sipa> sje: i don't know anything really anout Qt or GUI programming in general; but what Gavin said
1280 2012-02-16 14:54:19 <sje> ty sipa...wumpus is the guy right? i'll try and catch him...i've got a bit of testing to do anyway
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1294 2012-02-16 15:33:25 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: gavinandresen opened pull request 849 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/849>
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1301 2012-02-16 15:46:12 <sje> where is the 'dependencies archive' for windows?
1302 2012-02-16 15:46:39 <sje> oh nm
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1314 2012-02-16 16:19:40 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: mad opened issue 850 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/850>
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1316 2012-02-16 16:21:26 <sje> any ideas on all these windows errors? i can't build the damn thing...got past the min/max problem in serialize, but have network problems...'sockaddr': struct type redefinition is first
1317 2012-02-16 16:21:55 <sje> need mingw headers updates maybe?
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1324 2012-02-16 16:31:37 <Joric> is it necessary? .. && GetByte(12) & 0xF0 == 0x10 -> .. && (GetByte(12) & 0xF0) == 0x10 ? according to the table & has higher priority than &&
1325 2012-02-16 16:32:21 <Joric> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/850
1326 2012-02-16 16:32:37 <edcba> zo ?
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1330 2012-02-16 16:35:16 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: mad opened issue 851 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/851>
1331 2012-02-16 16:35:42 <Joric> whoa
1332 2012-02-16 16:36:16 <Joric> printf("%d\n", 1 && 1 & 3 == 1); "0" printf("%d\n", 1 && (1 & 3) == 1); "1"
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1334 2012-02-16 16:37:20 <gmaxwell> Yes, == binds harder than bitops.
1335 2012-02-16 16:37:52 <gmaxwell> Joric: Does shift blow your mind too? :)
1336 2012-02-16 16:38:08 <sipa> my god
1337 2012-02-16 16:38:12 <sipa> my mistake
1338 2012-02-16 16:40:38 <sipa> i fail to understand this error valgrind finds in openssl code
1339 2012-02-16 16:40:55 <sipa> the offending line of code is: if (ext) d[4]=0
1340 2012-02-16 16:41:09 <sipa> d is only 4 bytes long, and ext is 0
1341 2012-02-16 16:42:30 <gavinandresen> ext might be marked as uninitialized?
1342 2012-02-16 16:42:36 <sje> sipa - if d is only 4 bytes long, then d[4] is past the end...?
1343 2012-02-16 16:42:43 <sje> d[3] should be the last byte
1344 2012-02-16 16:43:23 <gmaxwell> sipa: you must use -Dpurify (or whatever it is) to valgrind on code using the openssl rng.
1345 2012-02-16 16:43:25 <sipa> sje: of course, but ext is 0 (false)
1346 2012-02-16 16:43:44 <sipa> gmaxwell: this has nothing to do with the RNG
1347 2012-02-16 16:43:50 <sipa> it's in bn2mpi
1348 2012-02-16 16:44:16 <gmaxwell> sipa: openssl's rng intentionally mixes uninitilized data into its output, and the taint flows through your whole codebase and eventually gets reported at random branches.
1349 2012-02-16 16:44:18 <sipa> there is no way any sane compiler (even havily optimizing) may cause d[4] to be touched, if ext is 0, right?
1350 2012-02-16 16:44:42 <gmaxwell> What error are you getting?
1351 2012-02-16 16:44:52 <jgarzik> so, checksums-in-version-message...
1352 2012-02-16 16:44:56 <jgarzik> will that break existing clients?
1353 2012-02-16 16:45:23 <sipa> gmaxwell: invalid read of size 1, followed by invalid write of size 1
1354 2012-02-16 16:45:26 <sipa> both on that line
1355 2012-02-16 16:45:43 <sipa> it's not about uninitilized memory being read, it is accessing past a bound
1356 2012-02-16 16:45:59 <sipa> jgarzik: it's been tested, no problems expected
1357 2012-02-16 16:46:14 <gmaxwell> oh. hm.
1358 2012-02-16 16:46:36 <sipa> jgarzik: except for new connections where the "version" message is being sent before feb20 according to one end's clock, and after according to the other
1359 2012-02-16 16:46:45 <sipa> and ext is initialized and 0
1360 2012-02-16 16:47:03 <sipa> (though i have no way of verifying that without using a self-compiled openssl, the code is trivial to follow)
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1362 2012-02-16 16:47:21 <gavinandresen> grumble grumble storing settings in wallet.dat grumble.... I'm thinking of doing something radical and moving settings from wallet.dat to bitcoin.conf
1363 2012-02-16 16:47:37 <sipa> gavinandresen: that is definitely needed some day
1364 2012-02-16 16:47:39 <gmaxwell> I like that.
1365 2012-02-16 16:48:19 <gavinandresen> I keep playing whack-a-mole with command line, bitcoin.conf, and wallet.dat settings in bitcoind and bitcoin-qt, and it's time to just stop.
1366 2012-02-16 16:48:39 <gavinandresen> I think. I'll probably change my mind after lunch.
1367 2012-02-16 16:49:27 <sipa> there is no sane way to keep settings in wallet.dat if we want to support multiple wallets some day
1368 2012-02-16 16:49:39 <gavinandresen> excellent point.
1369 2012-02-16 16:51:03 <gavinandresen> thinking out loud... maybe a read-only bitcoin.conf makes sense, plus a read/write bitcoin-qt.conf that is only ready if you're running bitcoin-qt
1370 2012-02-16 16:51:15 <gavinandresen> ^ready^read
1371 2012-02-16 16:51:30 <sje> gavinandreesen - QSettings from qt is very convenient
1372 2012-02-16 16:51:46 <gavinandresen> sje: thanks, I'll look at that
1373 2012-02-16 16:53:17 <k9quaint> just keep all wallet.dats locked until the price of bitcoin gets over $5 again ;)
1374 2012-02-16 16:53:34 <sipa> gavinandresen: what about settings for bitcoind?
1375 2012-02-16 16:53:38 <sipa> bitcoind.conf ?
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1377 2012-02-16 16:54:47 <gavinandresen> sipa: I suppose that would make sense. Rules would be: read bitcoin.conf. Then if bitcoind, read bitcoind.conf, if qt read bitcoinqt.conf
1378 2012-02-16 16:58:25 <nanotube> what's the reason to separate qt and d confs into separate files?
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1380 2012-02-16 17:00:43 <gmaxwell> seems overly complicated to me.
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1382 2012-02-16 17:01:01 <gmaxwell> If you want a seperate config for your bitcoind, give it a config file argument.
1383 2012-02-16 17:01:14 <gavinandresen> agreed, that does seem overly complicated. Only reason I was thinking about it is I'm slightly worried about read-only bitcoin.conf files
1384 2012-02-16 17:01:58 <gmaxwell> unlink()
1385 2012-02-16 17:02:20 <gavinandresen> ... and QSettings does look like a very convenient way to do read/write settings
1386 2012-02-16 17:02:56 <gavinandresen> ... and there are a bunch of qt-only settings (like minimize-to-tray, etc)
1387 2012-02-16 17:03:16 <nanotube> well, bitcoind can just ignore the ones that don't apply to it
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1389 2012-02-16 17:04:20 <sipa> if you plan to use qsettings because of ease of read/write, you're essentially saying that bitcoind will be unable to update its own setting file
1390 2012-02-16 17:04:35 <sipa> which implies its run-time settings are also immutable?
1391 2012-02-16 17:04:57 <gavinandresen> bitcoind doesn't modify it's settings (except for setgenerate, which I don't really care about)
1392 2012-02-16 17:05:23 <sipa> ok
1393 2012-02-16 17:06:05 <gmaxwell> hm. Well, I don't like that. â If we were actually writing to the config file I would have bitcoind write its own rpcuser/password when it doesn't have one instead of prompting the user.
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1395 2012-02-16 17:06:56 <gavinandresen> writing a brand-new bitcoin.conf if one doesn't exist would be OK with me.
1396 2012-02-16 17:07:24 <gavinandresen> ... that's orthogonal to where QT writes settings, I think
1397 2012-02-16 17:08:26 <gmaxwell> What happens if you've used QT, creating a config file in the process, then try to run bitcoind?
1398 2012-02-16 17:08:49 <gavinandresen> what do you want to happen?
1399 2012-02-16 17:09:44 <gmaxwell> bitcoind to add an rpcuser/password so it will work, I think.
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1401 2012-02-16 17:10:14 <gavinandresen> The settings shared by bitcoind and bitcoin-qt are: -upnp -proxy -paytxfee
1402 2012-02-16 17:11:03 <sipa> also, i'm not sure it's the right behaviour to write settings passed on the command line to a file
1403 2012-02-16 17:11:14 <gavinandresen> by "shared" I mean "you can write them using the GUI and they're written to wallet.dat"
1404 2012-02-16 17:11:18 <sipa> typically the command line is intended for overriding things in the config file
1405 2012-02-16 17:11:23 <sipa> not for making them default
1406 2012-02-16 17:11:57 <gavinandresen> I don't think anybody was suggesting that ./bitcoind -proxy=abc ... would write proxy=abc into bitcoin*.conf
1407 2012-02-16 17:12:54 <sipa> oh, am i mistaken then that that's the current behaviour?
1408 2012-02-16 17:13:02 <gmaxwell> sipa: yea I was not thinking that it would ever 'write settings passed on the command line to a file'
1409 2012-02-16 17:13:12 <gavinandresen> yes, bitcoin.conf is read-only right now
1410 2012-02-16 17:13:27 <gavinandresen> (well, the actual file may not be, but we never write to it)
1411 2012-02-16 17:13:32 <sipa> yes, but am i talking about the settings currently stored in wallet.dat
1412 2012-02-16 17:14:15 <gmaxwell> I was just pointing out that even without doing that there are cases where we might want to write to it. Though I take it back. Both qt and bitcoind should add a rpcuser/rpcpassword whenever they create the file. Then I can't come up with a reason for bitcoind to write to it.
1413 2012-02-16 17:14:32 <gavinandresen> There's a bug with the -upnp setting that it gets written to wallet.dat... one of those whack-a-mole things....
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1416 2012-02-16 17:18:02 <gavinandresen> So: easiest to implement would be a read-only bitcoin.conf. Remove all settings from the wallet. And not have bitcoin-qt settings influence bitcoind.
1417 2012-02-16 17:18:10 <gavinandresen> (bitcoin-qt settings set in the GUI)
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1420 2012-02-16 17:19:20 <gavinandresen> We'd lose the "feature" that if you (for example) set a txfee in the GUI the same setting would apply to bitcoind.
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1424 2012-02-16 17:28:59 <sipa> gmaxwell: mind pointing some mining power to (p2pool) testnet?
1425 2012-02-16 17:29:21 <sipa> i'm testing a 0.5.2 under valgrind to find that crash
1426 2012-02-16 17:29:51 <sipa> except for that strange openssl problem, nothing so far
1427 2012-02-16 17:31:26 <sipa> there's a trivial workaround, by the way - but i doubt it's causing any real problems
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1442 2012-02-16 18:06:05 <wumpus> gavinandresen: sounds like a good plan
1443 2012-02-16 18:06:32 <wumpus> gavinandresen: no more settings in wallet = great, and separate settings for the GUI and daemon is good too
1444 2012-02-16 18:07:07 <gavinandresen> wumpus: I had lunch and didn't change my mind, I agree that's the way to go
1445 2012-02-16 18:07:38 <wumpus> GUI would have to find its own place to store the settings, but maybe QT has something for that
1446 2012-02-16 18:08:05 <gavinandresen> Yes, QSettings has a standard place
1447 2012-02-16 18:08:10 <wumpus> QSettings :P The QSettings class provides persistent platform-independent application settings
1448 2012-02-16 18:08:14 <wumpus> yeah
1449 2012-02-16 18:08:43 <wumpus> so there'd be a 'settings provider', for the daemon that's command line and bitcoin.conf, for the gui that's command line and QSettings
1450 2012-02-16 18:08:49 <gavinandresen> I think the only issue is how to handle command-line/bitcoin.conf arguments that can also be set by the GUI
1451 2012-02-16 18:09:14 <wumpus> yes, which one takes precedence...
1452 2012-02-16 18:09:22 <gavinandresen> yes
1453 2012-02-16 18:09:26 <wumpus> and should the gui show options change on the command line
1454 2012-02-16 18:09:29 <wumpus> hmm
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1457 2012-02-16 18:10:36 <gavinandresen> Do other GUI apps wrestle with this? I suppose most of them don't expose options via the command line
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1459 2012-02-16 18:10:42 <wumpus> things like proxy should be specifyable on the command line
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1461 2012-02-16 18:10:58 <wumpus> right, most of them have only very limited options from the command line
1462 2012-02-16 18:11:31 <wumpus> but the problem is that bitcoin automatically connects to the network... so you must be able to specify proxy from the command ilne, otherwise it will connect directly before you're able to set the proxy
1463 2012-02-16 18:11:58 <wumpus> I think command line options should override and *set* the GUI settings
1464 2012-02-16 18:13:53 <wumpus> (same with upnp.. you must be able to specify it from the command line if you really don't want upnp, otherwise it will have used upnp before you can choose not to...)
1465 2012-02-16 18:14:50 <gavinandresen> That seems right. I'm a little less sure about bitcoin.conf
1466 2012-02-16 18:15:16 <jgarzik> is the version message change in a BIP, or otherwise specified somewhere outside of code?
1467 2012-02-16 18:15:22 <gavinandresen> ... but probably if you set something in bitcoin.conf you're not going to reset it in the GUI and expect it to stick
1468 2012-02-16 18:15:29 <jgarzik> I agree with the change, just curious
1469 2012-02-16 18:15:46 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: you sould like you think this is something new?
1470 2012-02-16 18:16:16 <gmaxwell> This was changed back in 0.2.9 when reptiles roamed the earth but put behind a time delay.
1471 2012-02-16 18:16:28 <gavinandresen> if jgarzik means putting the outside-the-nat-address in addrFrom then that is a change
1472 2012-02-16 18:16:37 <wumpus> should the gui read bitcoin.conf at all?
1473 2012-02-16 18:16:50 <wumpus> I wonder...
1474 2012-02-16 18:17:08 <wumpus> well I guess for backward compatibility it should
1475 2012-02-16 18:17:28 <gavinandresen> wumpus: I set things like keypool= in bitcoin.conf, and would be mildly annoyed if bitcoin-qt ignored that
1476 2012-02-16 18:17:31 <wumpus> if you define, let's say, a proxy in bitcoin.conf you want both the gui and the daemon ue it
1477 2012-02-16 18:17:37 <wumpus> yeah...
1478 2012-02-16 18:18:24 <wumpus> command line options and bitcoin.conf should probably be treated the same... they take precedence over any option set in QSettings (at least at startup)
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1480 2012-02-16 18:18:48 <BlueMatt> jm9000: still around?
1481 2012-02-16 18:19:14 <wumpus> after all if you define settings there you're really sure you want them :-)
1482 2012-02-16 18:19:42 <gavinandresen> wumpus: yes, most GUI users won't even know where to find bitcoin.conf
1483 2012-02-16 18:19:49 * BlueMatt has debugable win32 bitcoin-qt binaries if anyone wants to debug
1484 2012-02-16 18:20:02 <wumpus> exactly
1485 2012-02-16 18:20:15 <gmaxwell> gavinandresen: We already put the outside-the-nat-address there... when we've learned it from IRC (e.g. if we're listening and irc isn't disabled). We also put zeros there if we have proxy set.
1486 2012-02-16 18:20:17 <wumpus> BlueMatt: maybe offer it in the p2pool thread
1487 2012-02-16 18:20:25 <gmaxwell> gavinandresen: So I don't think there is actually a protocol level change there.
1488 2012-02-16 18:20:47 <gmaxwell> gavinandresen: we just do each of those two behaviors more often now.
1489 2012-02-16 18:21:01 <BlueMatt> wumpus: link?
1490 2012-02-16 18:21:36 <wumpus> BlueMatt: I mean the issue on github
1491 2012-02-16 18:22:54 <gavinandresen> wumpus: want me to take a crack at removing walletdb.ReadSettings/WriteSettings and using QSettings?
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1493 2012-02-16 18:24:22 <gavinandresen> wumpus: oh, and we'll need to decide what to do about upgrading old wallets/settings.... if anything.
1494 2012-02-16 18:24:58 <wumpus> gavinandresen: yes I'm thinking about how to structure it. bitcoin core should have a way of requesting settings from the ui code.
1495 2012-02-16 18:25:23 <wumpus> gavinandresen: indeed... if there are settings in the wallet they must be converted to QSettings and removed
1496 2012-02-16 18:25:32 <wumpus> this is a pretty big operation
1497 2012-02-16 18:26:03 <BlueMatt> wait, so you guys want to store settings in qt exclusively (except if we are running bitcoind?)
1498 2012-02-16 18:26:19 <BlueMatt> why not something in bitcoind, then let qt pull from that?
1499 2012-02-16 18:26:25 <wumpus> qt will take settings from commandline, bitcoind.conf, and qt
1500 2012-02-16 18:26:33 <wumpus> bitcoind will take settings from commandline and bitcoind.conf
1501 2012-02-16 18:26:36 <wumpus> eh bitcoin.conf
1502 2012-02-16 18:26:59 <wumpus> because qt has QSettings
1503 2012-02-16 18:27:15 <wumpus> which nicely wraps your particular OS' settings system
1504 2012-02-16 18:27:16 <BlueMatt> and QSettings are stored in some qt-managed settings dir?
1505 2012-02-16 18:27:23 <wumpus> yes
1506 2012-02-16 18:27:34 <wumpus> and registry in windows (I think)
1507 2012-02-16 18:27:36 <gavinandresen> ... or you can tell it where/how to store them.
1508 2012-02-16 18:28:22 <gavinandresen> But if we let Qt manage them then it allows per-user or for-every-user settings, for example.
1509 2012-02-16 18:28:30 <wumpus> I don't think it makes sense to implement such a system ourselves, especially as people using bitcoind simply want to use the text file to configure anyway
1510 2012-02-16 18:28:37 <gavinandresen> agreed
1511 2012-02-16 18:28:59 <BlueMatt> yea...
1512 2012-02-16 18:29:18 <wumpus> there is no "private information" in the settings right? so encryption is no issue...
1513 2012-02-16 18:29:36 <gavinandresen> grep for WriteSetting ... there aren't that many, actually
1514 2012-02-16 18:29:38 <BlueMatt> and then cmd settings override qt settings at load and then get stored in QSettings and can then be overridden by qtgui?
1515 2012-02-16 18:29:38 <wumpus> hm maybe the rpcpasswd
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1517 2012-02-16 18:29:45 <gavinandresen> and none of them are private
1518 2012-02-16 18:30:08 <wumpus> BlueMatt: yes, I think that's best
1519 2012-02-16 18:30:23 <wumpus> BlueMatt: commandline and bitcoin.conf settings override the ui settings and set them
1520 2012-02-16 18:30:49 <BlueMatt> fair enough
1521 2012-02-16 18:31:28 <gavinandresen> wumpus: hmm.... commandline shouldn't PERSISTENTLY set the ui setting
1522 2012-02-16 18:31:46 <wumpus> not?
1523 2012-02-16 18:32:09 <wumpus> otherwise it becomes really complex
1524 2012-02-16 18:32:15 <BlueMatt> cmd should I think, but bitcoin.conf...
1525 2012-02-16 18:32:26 <BlueMatt> bitcoin.conf is just a pita here
1526 2012-02-16 18:32:51 <gavinandresen> If I run bitcoin-qt -testnet=1 then the next time I run bitcoin-qt WITHOUT -testnet I'd expect to be running on the main net
1527 2012-02-16 18:32:58 <wumpus> right...
1528 2012-02-16 18:33:05 <wumpus> testnet should certainly not be persistent
1529 2012-02-16 18:33:21 <BlueMatt> only persistently sets things which the ui displays in the options page I would say
1530 2012-02-16 18:33:24 <gavinandresen> Only the settings that we're currently walletdb.WriteSetting() should be persistent
1531 2012-02-16 18:33:27 <wumpus> you know, I think testnet is an awful option anyway
1532 2012-02-16 18:33:48 <wumpus> it means "use another directory" and "behave differently".. but options are read from the same directory
1533 2012-02-16 18:33:56 <wumpus> it's always bothered me
1534 2012-02-16 18:34:01 <gavinandresen> wumpus: yeah, I lost that argument with Satoshi long ago....
1535 2012-02-16 18:34:17 <gavinandresen> (I implemented it the way you want originally)
1536 2012-02-16 18:34:23 <wumpus> testnet should use *all settings* different from mainnet
1537 2012-02-16 18:34:24 <wumpus> okay...
1538 2012-02-16 18:35:42 <wumpus> whatever we do, we should make it clear (looking at the many iterations we went through with just wallet/commandline settings :-)
1539 2012-02-16 18:36:15 <wumpus> testnet will never be a gui option anyway
1540 2012-02-16 18:36:39 <wumpus> at least, I think that's a bad idea...
1541 2012-02-16 18:37:21 <wumpus> normal users don't want to choose it anyway
1542 2012-02-16 18:37:23 <gavinandresen> agreed
1543 2012-02-16 18:40:48 <forrestv> BlueMatt, i could use the debug win32 buildk
1544 2012-02-16 18:41:44 <BlueMatt> forrestv: well it might have to wait, Im on a cell modem atm (damn wpa_supplicant sucks terribly) and I dont think Ill be able to upload the file in time before I have to go to class, check back at around 3:30
1545 2012-02-16 18:41:50 <BlueMatt> (2 hours)
1546 2012-02-16 18:41:56 <Diablo-D3> sp
1547 2012-02-16 18:41:57 <Diablo-D3> so
1548 2012-02-16 18:41:59 <Diablo-D3> triple fuck
1549 2012-02-16 18:42:04 <Diablo-D3> I think I figured out how to cure gcn
1550 2012-02-16 18:42:17 <Diablo-D3> stop using the array.
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1555 2012-02-16 18:48:47 * BlueMatt ->class
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1566 2012-02-16 19:01:11 <BlueMatt-mobile> gavinandresen wanna close #833?
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1568 2012-02-16 19:01:19 <BlueMatt-mobile> 832*
1569 2012-02-16 19:01:33 <gavinandresen> I wanna close ALL the issues.....
1570 2012-02-16 19:01:52 <BlueMatt-mobile> Well 832 is fixed...
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1572 2012-02-16 19:02:19 <gavinandresen> closed
1573 2012-02-16 19:02:29 <BlueMatt-mobile> Thanks
1574 2012-02-16 19:02:42 <BlueMatt-mobile> One more down :)
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1582 2012-02-16 19:21:39 <Diablo-D3> fuck
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1593 2012-02-16 19:45:19 <Joric> did you discuss a possibility of paying directly to nodes just for relaying bitcoin traffic
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1599 2012-02-16 19:50:01 <Joric> e.g. bittorrent has its own system of rewards (sort of) just for leaving the node running
1600 2012-02-16 19:50:28 <luke-jr_> Joric: it really doesn't.
1601 2012-02-16 19:50:52 <luke-jr_> private trackers do, but that's not part of the bittorrent protocol
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1603 2012-02-16 19:51:34 <Joric> it's complicated
1604 2012-02-16 19:54:26 <Joric> btw speaking of bittorrent is it possible to completely turn upload off
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1606 2012-02-16 19:56:08 <gmaxwell> Joric: "upload" isn't really meaningful in the context of bitcoin, except perhaps syncing up new nodes
1607 2012-02-16 19:57:33 <gmaxwell> Joric: for the normal traffic nodes relay very tiny fingerprints first rather than the data, and most of the time your peers won't request things from you (and if they do, not providing the data would be very bad for network health)
1608 2012-02-16 19:57:35 <Joric> why not i guess an average node uploading blocks as crazy
1609 2012-02-16 20:00:46 <Joric> i was asking about bittorrent ) looks like on most clients it's not possible without fixing the code
1610 2012-02-16 20:01:44 <gmaxwell> Joric: sure it is, set your throttle rate to zero.
1611 2012-02-16 20:01:53 <Joric> on bittorrent the very traffic is valuable
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1613 2012-02-16 20:02:43 <Joric> gmaxwell, zero mostly means all available rate
1614 2012-02-16 20:03:42 <Joric> the fact is there's no real need in leaving bitcoin node running
1615 2012-02-16 20:04:04 <gmaxwell> Joric: it sure doesn't in rtorrent.
1616 2012-02-16 20:04:30 <gmaxwell> Joric: That isn't trueâ it's beneificial to the user so you don't have to wait for syncup to up the client after restart.
1617 2012-02-16 20:04:42 <gmaxwell> And there is very little cost to leaving it running.
1618 2012-02-16 20:06:19 <gmaxwell> On a system here with tree nodes and 500 connections, and at the moment its using 36kbit/src. The utilization for a node with just its 8 outbound is _very_ low.
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1622 2012-02-16 20:08:20 <diki> We've seen quite a lot of custom bitcoin clients, with eye-candy and many features
1623 2012-02-16 20:08:39 <diki> we have yet to see a multi-chain client which will load all chains you want, side by side
1624 2012-02-16 20:08:54 <diki> with the click of a dropdown box or a tab
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1627 2012-02-16 20:11:45 <Joric> personally i don't give a shit about alternate chains, except maybe testnet
1628 2012-02-16 20:12:09 <Joric> are they really so popular?
1629 2012-02-16 20:12:49 <gmaxwell> Where did alternatice chains come into the discussion?
1630 2012-02-16 20:12:59 <gmaxwell> er bleh. can't type behind a 1 second ping.
1631 2012-02-16 20:13:33 <helo> gmaxlag
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1634 2012-02-16 20:13:56 <pascal> #stopacta.nu
1635 2012-02-16 20:14:08 <Joric> nu?
1636 2012-02-16 20:14:47 <pascal> Hmm. Danish demonstration against ACTA. I meant to join the channel... Sorry
1637 2012-02-16 20:15:01 <pascal> it means .now :-)
1638 2012-02-16 20:15:06 <diki> my country after a few protests dropped ACTA
1639 2012-02-16 20:15:13 <Joric> yeah i just googled it out )
1640 2012-02-16 20:15:22 <Joric> The .nu domain is particularly popular in Sweden, Denmark, Norway, the Netherlands and Belgium, as nu is the word for "now" in Swedish, Danish and Dutch.
1641 2012-02-16 20:15:26 <diki> be sure to wear some guy fawkes masks
1642 2012-02-16 20:15:46 <pascal> diki: Good for your country! I wish we do the same
1643 2012-02-16 20:16:28 <pascal> Actually there is a mask ban in denmark at protests so it will be illegal if we do
1644 2012-02-16 20:17:28 <Joric> http://imgur.com/gallery/kn3ME <- sopa pipa
1645 2012-02-16 20:18:02 <diki> our country signed ACTA in secret in Tokyo, Japan
1646 2012-02-16 20:18:25 <diki> but after the protests, it is going to be dropped
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1650 2012-02-16 20:24:57 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: dooglus opened pull request 852 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/852>
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1665 2012-02-16 20:34:13 <xorrbit> what's the first version of bitcoind that knows about the feb 20th thing
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1667 2012-02-16 20:34:35 <xorrbit> I'm testing with 0.3.24 and it seems like even if I set the date forward it's not sending checksums with version/verack
1668 2012-02-16 20:35:19 <gmaxwell> xorrbit: everything after 0.2.9 has it.
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1670 2012-02-16 20:35:53 <xorrbit> hmm this is weird then
1671 2012-02-16 20:36:08 <xorrbit> does it use the system date or something else?
1672 2012-02-16 20:36:19 <gmaxwell> I see the code in net.h:545 in 0.3.19 for example
1673 2012-02-16 20:36:54 <gmaxwell> xorrbit: just uses the system time.
1674 2012-02-16 20:37:08 <xorrbit> hmm okay
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1681 2012-02-16 20:51:12 <BlueMatt> forrestv: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/29653426/bitcoin-qt.zip
1682 2012-02-16 20:51:40 <graingert> hm
1683 2012-02-16 20:53:34 <forrestv> thanks, will test with p2pool in my vm
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1689 2012-02-16 20:59:40 <BlueMatt> forrestv: thanks
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1697 2012-02-16 21:10:54 <etotheipi_> thought experiment/hypothesis: assume that Windows is less secure than Linux. I normally use Linux on my online machine and offline machine. What if I were to use linux online, but windows on the offline machine? Wouldn't that make attack vectors much more complicated?
1698 2012-02-16 21:11:35 <etotheipi_> i.e I have to design a virus that can infect both windows and linux at the same time? or is it just as easy as coming up with a simple virus for each?
1699 2012-02-16 21:12:08 <xorrbit> it's as easy as me breaking into your house and grabbing both your computers
1700 2012-02-16 21:12:57 <helo> yeah, i think the security will be equivalent to the more difficult of the two
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1705 2012-02-16 21:14:26 <helo> although one would have to be secure against a prepared thumb drive, and the other against all manner of risky online behavior
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1715 2012-02-16 21:33:03 <etotheipi_> at the very least, you would need an exploit against both OS's
1716 2012-02-16 21:33:21 <etotheipi_> so "twice" as much work, given that attacking each is equally difficult
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1718 2012-02-16 21:34:45 <xorrbit> why would you need an exploit against both
1719 2012-02-16 21:35:20 <xorrbit> just get some exploit for the offline one and get the user to bring it over there and run it (that's the hand waving part)
1720 2012-02-16 21:35:21 <etotheipi_> if I keep all my private keys on the offline computer, and the attack has only cyber access to my network
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1722 2012-02-16 21:36:30 <etotheipi_> xorrbit, most of the attacks on Bitcoin-holding systems will come from people on the other side of the world with no physical access to you or your computer
1723 2012-02-16 21:37:08 <etotheipi_> physical attacks might have higher success rate, but leave a trail for law enforcement
1724 2012-02-16 21:37:39 <etotheipi_> anyone who holds enough BTC to be worth physically attacking... well that person is probably not going to just run random stuff on their offline computer
1725 2012-02-16 21:38:17 <BlueMatt> etotheipi_: whenever I see such questions I come back to http://xkcd.com/538/
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1727 2012-02-16 21:38:49 <etotheipi_> the most likely attack vector in this scenario is a USB virus, that infects the offline computer, then grabs the private key while the offline wallet is unlocked, and hide it on the key, then get the online system to send it to the attacker when it is pluggedi n again
1728 2012-02-16 21:39:54 <etotheipi_> it would have to be a targeted/specialized virus, but it could be done... (albeit at least one or two orders of magnitude more difficult than attacking a regular online wallet)
1729 2012-02-16 21:40:03 <Joric> autorun virus? try to run that thing on linux
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1731 2012-02-16 21:40:22 <helo> usb controller virus
1732 2012-02-16 21:40:37 <etotheipi_> bluematt, I love xkcd, and that particular one is awesome
1733 2012-02-16 21:40:38 <helo> don't think those can be loaded onto any drive though
1734 2012-02-16 21:41:09 <etotheipi_> linux is NOT completely safe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovfYBa1EHm4
1735 2012-02-16 21:41:10 <Joric> never heard of those :-O
1736 2012-02-16 21:41:38 <Joric> what can it do with linux box anyway
1737 2012-02-16 21:42:59 <Joric> stack overlow in usb drivers?
1738 2012-02-16 21:43:09 <helo> i think so
1739 2012-02-16 21:43:54 <etotheipi_> the point was, there's vulnerabilities on any system... I'm wondering if combining different OS's might make for a unique challenge for an attacker...
1740 2012-02-16 21:45:20 <BlueMatt> short answer: if they are motivated: no
1741 2012-02-16 21:45:29 <Joric> linux and opensource changed the way ppl could find vulnerabilities )
1742 2012-02-16 21:45:32 <BlueMatt> a motivated attacker will screw you no matter what you do
1743 2012-02-16 21:45:50 <helo> since the infection vector is different, my guess is that it would be the same. '1) online exploit for linux, 2) usb exploit for linux' would probably be equally as hard with mixed OSes
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1746 2012-02-16 21:46:34 <Joric> i like that slide 'storage drivers/fs drivers/thumbnailers - vulnerabilites could exist at any of these layers' :D
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1748 2012-02-16 21:48:19 <Joric> it's like a space industry, if there's only 1/1m chance of fail the system of 1m details will certainly fail
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1750 2012-02-16 21:53:58 <Joric> this is deep http://xkcd.com/1017/ i'm still trying to sort it out
1751 2012-02-16 21:55:36 * BlueMatt was really stoned when he read that and started implementing it for chrome's download page...but passed out before finishing
1752 2012-02-16 21:55:41 <BlueMatt> now it doesnt seem as cool...
1753 2012-02-16 21:56:05 <BlueMatt> oh, damn he even linked a spreadsheet with stuff in it
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1755 2012-02-16 21:59:02 <iz> haha, i have so many half-started projects that seemed super awesome when i was stoned and started them, but later when i go back they are kinda crap
1756 2012-02-16 21:59:09 <iz> also ideas written in a notebook
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1760 2012-02-16 22:00:31 <Joric> something went wrong i'm mostly implementing boss ideas now
1761 2012-02-16 22:01:04 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/851 < hm, I can't find where I pointed out this to you beforeâ I found where I accidentally pasted the code I was complaining about, while writing a note to you on it, into this channel.. but not the note. Did I never comment on the URL pull at all? :(
1762 2012-02-16 22:01:10 <Joric> - this game need turtle! okay :(
1763 2012-02-16 22:01:58 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: I saw that this morning, but dont remember you ever pointing it out...
1764 2012-02-16 22:02:27 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: IIRC you questioned whether the buffers were 100% right, but didnt actually point out on issue
1765 2012-02-16 22:02:34 <BlueMatt> (at the time I thought I had done it right)
1766 2012-02-16 22:03:26 <gmaxwell> 20:46 < gmaxwell> + char strBuf[257];
1767 2012-02-16 22:03:26 <gmaxwell> 20:46 < gmaxwell> oops.
1768 2012-02-16 22:03:28 <gmaxwell> 20:48 < gmaxwell> That was a mispaste. sorry.
1769 2012-02-16 22:03:54 <gmaxwell> I was copying the code into a pull request comment, specifically to point that out. But I appear to have never saved it. :(
1770 2012-02-16 22:04:06 <gmaxwell> I just assumed it got fixed. I'm sorry.
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1772 2012-02-16 22:04:30 <BlueMatt> meh, it still got caught before release
1773 2012-02-16 22:04:53 <BlueMatt> (plus, though its a huge glaring bug, real world chances that it actually effects anyone negatively are pretty low)
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1775 2012-02-16 22:05:14 <gmaxwell> Yea, it's almost certantly harmless.
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1777 2012-02-16 22:06:03 <BlueMatt> heh, mtgox quotes wikipedia on their home page...
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1780 2012-02-16 22:06:25 <Diablo-D3> hate2.6hate2.6hate2.6hate2.6hate2.6hate2.6hate2.6hate2.6hate2.6hate2.6hate2.6hate2.6hate2.6hate2.6hate2.6hate2.6hate2.6hate2.6hate2.6hate2.6hate2.6hate2.6hate2.6hate2.6hate2.6hate2.6hate2.6hate2.6hate2.6hate2.6hate2.6hate2.6hate2.6hate2.6hate2.6hate2.6hate2.6hate2.6hate2.6hate2.6hate2.6hate2.6hate2.6hate2.6hate2.6hate2.6hate2.6hate2.6hate2.6hate2.6hate2.6
1781 2012-02-16 22:06:49 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: amusingly the text they're referring to doesn't exist anymore because it was just quoting mtgox.
1782 2012-02-16 22:07:02 <BlueMatt> hehe
1783 2012-02-16 22:07:04 <BlueMatt> oh wow
1784 2012-02-16 22:07:05 <Joric> yeah buffer overflows are not real too since ASLR, leave it as is
1785 2012-02-16 22:07:15 <BlueMatt> circular quote
1786 2012-02-16 22:07:23 <BlueMatt> Joric: ...
1787 2012-02-16 22:07:53 <gmaxwell> Joric: it's not a buffer overflow.
1788 2012-02-16 22:07:54 <Joric> the it adviser
1789 2012-02-16 22:07:55 <Diablo-D3> IM IN UR BUFFERZ, OVERFLOWIN
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1794 2012-02-16 22:10:31 <Joric> what is it, oob exception?
1795 2012-02-16 22:11:28 <BlueMatt> yea
1796 2012-02-16 22:11:41 <BlueMatt> just reads an extra byte out of bounds and copies it in bounds
1797 2012-02-16 22:11:55 <BlueMatt> because there should be a null before that byte, it is never used, just copied
1798 2012-02-16 22:12:13 <gmaxwell> Where did the 256 byte limit come from there in any case? Is that limit part of the bitcoin uri spec?
1799 2012-02-16 22:12:24 <BlueMatt> arbitrarily picked by luke
1800 2012-02-16 22:12:27 <BlueMatt> (afaik)
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1802 2012-02-16 22:13:14 <Joric> uris longer than 2048 make IE unhappy
1803 2012-02-16 22:13:37 <BlueMatt> so should it be changes to 2049?
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1805 2012-02-16 22:13:49 <gmaxwell> Joric: I actually had a several hundred k data URI work in current IE. :)
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1809 2012-02-16 22:15:09 <Joric> 2083 chars in ie7, 4k in ie8
1810 2012-02-16 22:17:55 <Joric> it's mostly server-related, 'server SHOULD return 414 (Request-URI Too Long) status if a URI is longer than the server can handle' section 10.4.15
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1812 2012-02-16 22:20:57 <BlueMatt> but it doesnt define what the server can/cant handle so...
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1814 2012-02-16 22:22:40 <helo> it would be neat if a transaction payload could be crammed into a URI to be injected by the client
1815 2012-02-16 22:22:59 <helo> don't ask me what it would be used for...
1816 2012-02-16 22:24:41 <BlueMatt> the uri spec conveniently doesnt specify max uri length, so if something like that were added to the spec, the implementation could just increase the 256 limit
1817 2012-02-16 22:25:05 <BlueMatt> and since (in the) current spec, you cant do anything that will get close to 256, it should be fine
1818 2012-02-16 22:25:14 <BlueMatt> but doing something like 2048 or 4096 sounds just as fine to me
1819 2012-02-16 22:25:35 <BlueMatt> (whoever wants to fix the oob exception can set the max length to whatever they want)
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1821 2012-02-16 22:26:42 <Joric> i wonder about 2083 in ie
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1828 2012-02-16 22:40:34 <sje> wumpus? I have a branch i am working on for more 'fixes' to the tray icon handling....sje397/bitcoin/TrayWindowPos
1829 2012-02-16 22:40:48 <sje> it used QSettings quite a bit
1830 2012-02-16 22:40:56 <sje> i was after some help with it actualy ;)
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1834 2012-02-16 22:50:55 <phantomcircuit> sipa, addrman merge?
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1837 2012-02-16 22:56:40 <sipa> phantomcircuit: not as long as there are unsolved bug reports
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1848 2012-02-16 23:12:06 <theymos> Having bad luck with Bitcoin today... I had three bitcoind installations working a few days ago, and now two of them are somehow persistently broken. Is jgarzik's getblockbycount patch thread-unsafe? Maybe that causes it.
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1851 2012-02-16 23:14:31 <sipa> all rpc calls lock wallet and main... i doubt there are many potential thread issues involved there
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1853 2012-02-16 23:15:50 <theymos> OK. Maybe I'm just unlucky with hard drives and stuff's getting corrupted.
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1855 2012-02-16 23:17:13 <gmaxwell> theymos: what happens with -checkblocks ?
1856 2012-02-16 23:21:03 <theymos> I'll give it a try.
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1858 2012-02-16 23:21:20 <denisx> how many GH/s do you handle per machine?
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1861 2012-02-16 23:25:21 <theymos> I don't do mining, but I run Bitcoin Block Explorer, so there's a ton of RPC traffic.
1862 2012-02-16 23:27:22 <denisx> ah, ok
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1866 2012-02-16 23:41:07 <denisx> is the getblockbycount patch to get the block number from a blockhash?
1867 2012-02-16 23:41:07 <denisx> ?
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1869 2012-02-16 23:41:31 <theymos> It dumps all of the block's data when given a block number.
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1871 2012-02-16 23:41:57 <denisx> is there a method to get the block number when I have the blockhash?
1872 2012-02-16 23:41:57 <denisx> ?
1873 2012-02-16 23:42:32 <theymos> Bitcoin could do it easily, though I don't know whether an RPC method has been created for that.
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1875 2012-02-16 23:43:52 <doublec> there's a getblockbyhash floating around
1876 2012-02-16 23:43:57 <BlueMatt> why do tv shows insist on all of their interviews being "via satellite" when they are just skype over ip???
1877 2012-02-16 23:44:06 <BlueMatt> s/bing//
1878 2012-02-16 23:44:10 <BlueMatt> s/being//
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1880 2012-02-16 23:47:24 <kinlo> BlueMatt: satelite is still better/more stable/standardized
1881 2012-02-16 23:48:45 <BlueMatt> kinlo: yea, except the once in a while that you see a nice voip logo in the corner for a half a second...
1882 2012-02-16 23:48:52 <BlueMatt> (skype sometimes, sometimes others...)
1883 2012-02-16 23:49:07 <BlueMatt> though usually they point out skype because its usually paid for
1884 2012-02-16 23:49:40 <kinlo> money floats the world :)
1885 2012-02-16 23:49:46 <BlueMatt> yep
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