1 2012-02-20 00:00:03 <nanotube> has to do with checksumming the version msg
2 2012-02-20 00:01:11 <Raccoon> interesting.
3 2012-02-20 00:01:26 <Raccoon> what's the issue with clock sync?
4 2012-02-20 00:01:47 <sipa> Raccoon: because there is a problem if you and I connect, but my client believes it is not yet feb20, while yours does.
5 2012-02-20 00:01:48 <Diablo-D3> lol
6 2012-02-20 00:01:50 <Diablo-D3> $1000 bitcoins
7 2012-02-20 00:01:51 <k9quaint> theymos: whats the criteria for getting a "scammer" label on the forums?
8 2012-02-20 00:02:07 <Raccoon> oh. it actually gives a shit about feb20
9 2012-02-20 00:02:22 <Diablo-D3> Raccoon: the feb20 stuff has beein in the works for over a year
10 2012-02-20 00:02:26 <Raccoon> ok
11 2012-02-20 00:02:26 <k9quaint> sipa: its not feb20th!!!
12 2012-02-20 00:02:34 <sipa> k9quaint: ?
13 2012-02-20 00:02:36 <Diablo-D3> unless you have a very ancient client, it doesnt matter for you
14 2012-02-20 00:02:44 <Raccoon> i didn't realize it was a timebomb
15 2012-02-20 00:02:54 <k9quaint> sipa: I was just trying to be part of the problem
16 2012-02-20 00:02:57 <sipa> In all likelyhood, most bitcoin users will not ever notice the transition
17 2012-02-20 00:03:15 <Raccoon> figured it would be clients just noticing each-other and using the new protocol lest fallback
18 2012-02-20 00:03:41 <theymos> k9quaint: You have to have scammed someone. Not paid when you promised to pay, or not delivered a service when you've been paid.
19 2012-02-20 00:04:04 <Raccoon> i think a fallback should be used, personally.
20 2012-02-20 00:04:20 <Diablo-D3> Raccoon: why? do you even know what the feb20th change is?
21 2012-02-20 00:04:21 <Raccoon> every bitcoin client ever written should be permitted on the network for complete transparency
22 2012-02-20 00:04:27 <k9quaint> theymos: so there has to be money involved
23 2012-02-20 00:04:28 <Raccoon> yes, i read it.
24 2012-02-20 00:04:38 <Diablo-D3> its adding a single checksum that should have always been there
25 2012-02-20 00:04:47 <gmaxwell> T minus 3 minutes.
26 2012-02-20 00:04:56 <Diablo-D3> Sun Feb 19 23:57:09 UTC 2012
27 2012-02-20 00:04:58 <sipa> *tick* *tock*
28 2012-02-20 00:05:04 <Raccoon> i'm just afraid that this type of tactic might be used in the future to force the obsolescence of unfavorable clients
29 2012-02-20 00:05:08 <Diablo-D3> gmaxwell: no built in holds? :<
30 2012-02-20 00:05:18 <Diablo-D3> Raccoon: satoshi himself put this change into action
31 2012-02-20 00:05:24 <theymos> k9quaint: Maybe there are some cases where money wouldn't have to be involved, though determining whether someone is a scammer in that case is more difficult.
32 2012-02-20 00:05:27 <Diablo-D3> so the word of god plopped it into existence
33 2012-02-20 00:05:27 <Raccoon> satoshi is dead
34 2012-02-20 00:05:43 <Diablo-D3> satoshi isnt dead, he never existed
35 2012-02-20 00:05:47 <gmaxwell> T minus 2 minutes.
36 2012-02-20 00:05:52 <Diablo-D3> Sun Feb 19 23:58:05 UTC 2012
37 2012-02-20 00:06:06 * doublec waits for all the alt chains to keel over
38 2012-02-20 00:06:12 <Diablo-D3> doublec: :D
39 2012-02-20 00:06:16 <k9quaint> Raccoon: his ghost watches over us all (and all the crap gmaxwell checks in too)
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41 2012-02-20 00:06:47 <gmaxwell> T minus 1 minute.
42 2012-02-20 00:06:48 <Diablo-D3> Sun Feb 19 23:59:00 UTC 2012
43 2012-02-20 00:06:48 * Raccoon quotes Friedrich Nietzsche
44 2012-02-20 00:07:16 <gmaxwell> T minus 30 seconds.
45 2012-02-20 00:07:19 <doublec> does pushpool's blkmond work with the protocol change?
46 2012-02-20 00:07:19 <gmaxwell> And now I have a good IRC countdown script. Yippie.
47 2012-02-20 00:07:24 <gmaxwell> doublec: sssh.
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49 2012-02-20 00:07:40 <doublec> imminent pool deaths coming ;)
50 2012-02-20 00:07:42 <gmaxwell> T minus 5 seconds.
51 2012-02-20 00:07:42 <gmaxwell> T minus 4 seconds.
52 2012-02-20 00:07:43 <Raccoon> your countdown scipt sucks :p
53 2012-02-20 00:07:44 <gmaxwell> T minus 3 seconds.
54 2012-02-20 00:07:45 <gmaxwell> T minus 2 seconds.
55 2012-02-20 00:07:46 <gmaxwell> T minus 1 second.
56 2012-02-20 00:07:48 <Diablo-D3> Mon Feb 20 00:00:01 UTC 2012
57 2012-02-20 00:07:48 <gmaxwell> Bitcoin protocol changeover initiated
58 2012-02-20 00:07:49 <theymos> Happy new year! Wait...
59 2012-02-20 00:07:53 <Raccoon> C-C-COMBO BREAKER!!!
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61 2012-02-20 00:08:15 <k9quaint> inc tinfoil hat conspiracy theories
62 2012-02-20 00:08:19 <Diablo-D3> okay nothing seems to have gone wrong
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64 2012-02-20 00:08:47 <Raccoon> cue the music, strike up the band
65 2012-02-20 00:08:52 <etotheipi_> is a client restart required?
66 2012-02-20 00:09:12 <gmaxwell> "connections" : 4,
67 2012-02-20 00:09:12 <luke-jr> doublec: does anyone actually use blkmond?
68 2012-02-20 00:09:20 <luke-jr> etotheipi_: I don't think so
69 2012-02-20 00:09:26 <gmaxwell> I just brought up a new node... It's getting connections.
70 2012-02-20 00:09:48 <gmaxwell> etotheipi_: no, but it only impacts new connections.
71 2012-02-20 00:10:03 * luke-jr tests that Eloipool's node implementation actually works now <.<
72 2012-02-20 00:10:14 <Diablo-D3> last block was 1 minute ago
73 2012-02-20 00:10:53 <etotheipi_> interesting... armory switched over 10 minutes too early...
74 2012-02-20 00:11:01 <etotheipi_> but it seems to be working after restarting... stuff
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77 2012-02-20 00:11:48 <doublec> luke-jr: pushpoolers do
78 2012-02-20 00:12:10 <luke-jr> doublec: I don't think so.
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80 2012-02-20 00:12:41 <luke-jr> doublec: pretty sure everyone using pushpool either has git master (with -blocknotify) or JK's 4diff (with something similar)
81 2012-02-20 00:12:55 <luke-jr> yay, Eloipool's node seems to finally work :P
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83 2012-02-20 00:13:22 <sipa> a transaction from mtgox to me doesn't seem to come through
84 2012-02-20 00:13:37 <luke-jr> :o
85 2012-02-20 00:13:58 <sipa> it's only 0.01, so maybe it's being stopped by anti-spam policies
86 2012-02-20 00:14:09 <luke-jr> MagicalTux: ping :p
87 2012-02-20 00:14:10 <sipa> but still, blockchain.info didn't hear about it yet
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89 2012-02-20 00:14:24 <luke-jr> sipa: MtGox doesn't use Satoshi impl
90 2012-02-20 00:14:28 <theymos> How much 0.1.x and 0.2.[0-9] code can be removed now? I remember seeing several compatability cases for these old versions.
91 2012-02-20 00:14:31 <luke-jr> so you might have hit something there
92 2012-02-20 00:14:54 <MagicalTux> luke-jr: our small txs are blocked until your system is back
93 2012-02-20 00:15:16 <Diablo-D3> LOL
94 2012-02-20 00:15:18 <luke-jr> MagicalTux: no response from Hetzner on the IP?
95 2012-02-20 00:15:19 <Diablo-D3> I just found a bitcoin bu
96 2012-02-20 00:15:27 <Diablo-D3> the mouseover for the block count in the UI
97 2012-02-20 00:15:35 <Diablo-D3> block happened %n seconds ago
98 2012-02-20 00:15:58 <Diablo-D3> it literally says %n
99 2012-02-20 00:16:01 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: !
100 2012-02-20 00:16:05 <gmaxwell> Diablo-D3: known bug.
101 2012-02-20 00:16:08 <sipa> i've seen that reported before
102 2012-02-20 00:16:13 <Diablo-D3> k =/
103 2012-02-20 00:16:20 <MagicalTux> luke-jr: in priv
104 2012-02-20 00:16:23 <luke-jr> I'm pretty sure I've seen that work before :/
105 2012-02-20 00:16:31 <Diablo-D3> now I has a sad
106 2012-02-20 00:16:40 <Diablo-D3> I thought I found a bug :<
107 2012-02-20 00:17:57 <gmaxwell> sipa: mtgox working yet?
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109 2012-02-20 00:18:30 <sipa> 01:07:07 < MagicalTux> luke-jr: our small txs are blocked until your system is back
110 2012-02-20 00:18:34 <sipa> gmaxwell: so, no :)
111 2012-02-20 00:18:43 <gmaxwell> oh. okay
112 2012-02-20 00:19:22 <pingdrive> the seems to be a bug in super smart AI software it doenst exist
113 2012-02-20 00:19:24 <pingdrive> fix it
114 2012-02-20 00:19:26 <pingdrive> damn it
115 2012-02-20 00:19:44 <sipa> ?
116 2012-02-20 00:20:27 <pingdrive> nothin a stupid troll post
117 2012-02-20 00:21:23 <sipa> would be so kind as the enclose these in a <troll></troll> in the future? kthxbye
118 2012-02-20 00:21:26 <gmaxwell> I just updated the notice to reflect the post-change tense and also put a link to this channel: http://bitcoin.org/feb20
119 2012-02-20 00:21:49 <pingdrive> <troll>sure thing</troll>
120 2012-02-20 00:21:49 <Diablo-D3> hrm
121 2012-02-20 00:21:54 <Diablo-D3> I just thought of something hilarious
122 2012-02-20 00:22:02 <Diablo-D3> you know that bitcoin predictor site I was going to make?
123 2012-02-20 00:22:14 <Diablo-D3> I dont actually need to run software for it
124 2012-02-20 00:22:17 <Diablo-D3> I mean
125 2012-02-20 00:22:22 <Diablo-D3> it can just be a static page.
126 2012-02-20 00:22:27 <Diablo-D3> use a cronjob to update it periodically
127 2012-02-20 00:22:41 <sipa> What would it predict?
128 2012-02-20 00:23:01 <Diablo-D3> sipa: likelyhood of future btc prices for the next month
129 2012-02-20 00:23:07 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: sipa: MtGox should be working now-as-soon-as-Eligius-finds-blocks
130 2012-02-20 00:23:47 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: btw, note that the MtGox issue is not related to Feb20
131 2012-02-20 00:23:49 <pingdrive> and exactly how are you planning to make it predict that for you?
132 2012-02-20 00:24:43 <pingdrive> it is probably easy to predict when it goes down
133 2012-02-20 00:24:58 <pingdrive> jsut search web for terms like, BTC shutdown,
134 2012-02-20 00:25:25 <luke-jr> ;;bc,nextprice
135 2012-02-20 00:25:26 <gribble> Error: "bc,nextprice" is not a valid command.
136 2012-02-20 00:25:28 <luke-jr> hmm
137 2012-02-20 00:25:31 <luke-jr> what was the cmd? :/
138 2012-02-20 00:26:00 <pingdrive> ;;ddos,eligius
139 2012-02-20 00:26:00 <gribble> Error: "ddos,eligius" is not a valid command.
140 2012-02-20 00:26:08 <pingdrive> :\
141 2012-02-20 00:26:26 <luke-jr> ;;bc,price
142 2012-02-20 00:26:26 <gribble> Next Price Estimate: 5.256 | Next Price In About 2 days, 20 hours, 49 minutes, and 34 seconds
143 2012-02-20 00:26:30 <luke-jr> looks ok to me
144 2012-02-20 00:28:54 <theymos> Before the alert expires, can someone take a screenshot of it in bitcoin-qt and add it to the Alerts wiki page?
145 2012-02-20 00:29:08 <BlueMatt> oh, shit...I dont think my dnsseed has support for hashd version messages...
146 2012-02-20 00:29:14 <Diablo-D3> hrm
147 2012-02-20 00:29:14 <gmaxwell> hah.
148 2012-02-20 00:29:16 <Diablo-D3> I KNOW
149 2012-02-20 00:29:18 <Diablo-D3> I CAN USE PERL
150 2012-02-20 00:29:18 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: go fix it.
151 2012-02-20 00:30:58 <sipa> my crawler seems to be functioning fine still (it uses heavily-modified satoshi network code, though)
152 2012-02-20 00:32:15 <BlueMatt> oh, actually it looks like it does
153 2012-02-20 00:32:35 <gmaxwell> theymos: here you go! http://people.xiph.org/~greg/bitcoin.alert.png
154 2012-02-20 00:33:09 <pingdrive> "errors" : "See bitcoin.org/feb20 if you have trouble connecting after 20 February"
155 2012-02-20 00:33:10 <theymos> gmaxwell: I meant the GUI. (Though maybe that one can be included too.)
156 2012-02-20 00:33:31 <gmaxwell> theymos: I know you did.
157 2012-02-20 00:33:33 <pingdrive> <troll>this is seriuously a violation of privacy</troll>
158 2012-02-20 00:33:35 <gmaxwell> I was being a smartass.
159 2012-02-20 00:33:49 <luke-jr> theymos: check I didn't post any sensitive info? https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/File:Alert.png
160 2012-02-20 00:34:16 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: no balance? :P
161 2012-02-20 00:34:22 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: mining node.
162 2012-02-20 00:34:40 <gmaxwell> if it was going to have a balance I'd have hack it to show a million. ;)
163 2012-02-20 00:35:05 <gmaxwell> oh actually, that one isn't a mining node, thats a relay node but whatever.
164 2012-02-20 00:35:10 <theymos> luke-jr: I don't see any sensitive info, if you're OK with having those transactions and the balance public.
165 2012-02-20 00:35:24 <theymos> Thanks! I'll add it to the page.
166 2012-02-20 00:35:33 <theymos> Oh, I see you added it to the page already.
167 2012-02-20 00:36:33 <Raccoon> hrm. Client UI issue?
168 2012-02-20 00:36:53 <Raccoon> Receive coins > "Double click to edit address or label"
169 2012-02-20 00:37:06 <Raccoon> Double clicking does not pemit editing the address, only the label.
170 2012-02-20 00:37:15 <gmaxwell> theymos: if you'd like to add the CLI image as a link wherever you're adding the GUI image: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/File:Bitcoin-alert-cli.png
171 2012-02-20 00:37:23 <Raccoon> And there seems to be no right-click context menu, or double-click-to-copy the address.
172 2012-02-20 00:37:33 <theymos> gmaxwell: Thanks. I will add it.
173 2012-02-20 00:37:35 <Raccoon> How does one properly copy the address?
174 2012-02-20 00:38:02 <nanotube> there's a 'copy address' button on the bottom
175 2012-02-20 00:38:15 <Raccoon> wonky.
176 2012-02-20 00:38:37 <nanotube> yea rightclick would be more in line with standard practice
177 2012-02-20 00:38:44 <Raccoon> the function and tooltip should be changed to "Double clik to edit label or copy address"
178 2012-02-20 00:38:51 <gmaxwell> theymos: personally I'd doctor luke's photo a bit to remove that enormous whitespace. :)
179 2012-02-20 00:39:04 <gmaxwell> meh. I guess it's okay on the page.
180 2012-02-20 00:40:58 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: what enormous whitespace? :p
181 2012-02-20 00:41:19 <luke-jr> oh, you can actually resize Bitcoin-Qt
182 2012-02-20 00:41:21 <luke-jr> o.o
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186 2012-02-20 00:45:35 <gmaxwell> Okay. I'm out for dinner. If the world starts suddenly ending, someone call me
187 2012-02-20 00:47:19 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: sipa opened pull request 873 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/873>
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189 2012-02-20 00:50:19 <sipa> 01:06:42 < theymos> How much 0.1.x and 0.2.[0-9] code can be removed now? I remember seeing several compatability cases for these old versions. ---> not too much, see #873
190 2012-02-20 00:53:17 <luke-jr> sipa: did you consider unrelated compat code?
191 2012-02-20 00:53:47 <sipa> yes, i checked all occurrence of nVersion-related checks <209
192 2012-02-20 00:53:59 <sipa> i may have missed something, but not too much i think
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223 2012-02-20 02:05:55 <word> Is there some reason why running bitcoin-qt from git master would prevent .5.2 and .6.0rc from running? (db problems cause it to crash) I can fix it easy, just curious.
224 2012-02-20 02:08:23 <sipa> which bdb version is git head compiled with?
225 2012-02-20 02:09:22 <luke-jr> word: .5.2, yes; .6.0rc, not afaik
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227 2012-02-20 02:09:31 <word> sipa: 5.1.19
228 2012-02-20 02:09:42 <luke-jr> word: bitcoin.org builds are bdb 4.8
229 2012-02-20 02:09:47 <word> ah ok
230 2012-02-20 02:10:14 <luke-jr> additionally, .6+ use compressed pubkeys, which are not supported by older versions
231 2012-02-20 02:10:54 <word> is there a news item or something with all the nifty things .6 will have?
232 2012-02-20 02:11:17 <sipa> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=63165.0
233 2012-02-20 02:11:24 <word> thanks
234 2012-02-20 02:12:35 <luke-jr> "The shorter keys are completely compatible with older versions." <-- maybe should be changed?
235 2012-02-20 02:12:58 <sipa> luke-jr: they are, on the network, but not in the wallet
236 2012-02-20 02:13:19 <luke-jr> right, that's less than "completely" to most people I think
237 2012-02-20 02:13:21 <sipa> but indeed, some clarification may be needed
238 2012-02-20 02:13:46 <luke-jr> I suspect users may assume protocol is compatible for everything by default, and apply this to the client
239 2012-02-20 02:17:09 <word> luke-jr: you had something to do with the sign message stuff right?
240 2012-02-20 02:17:38 <luke-jr> yes
241 2012-02-20 02:17:44 <luke-jr> I wrote the GUI
242 2012-02-20 02:17:48 <luke-jr> sipa wrote the basic implementation tho
243 2012-02-20 02:18:01 <word> i was thinkin about a different way to do the gui bit
244 2012-02-20 02:18:25 <luke-jr> if you pass FIRST_CLASS_MESSAGING=1 to qmake, you get a nicer UI ;)
245 2012-02-20 02:18:34 <word> what does it do?
246 2012-02-20 02:18:37 <luke-jr> but wumpus didn't like it, so it's optional and disabled by default
247 2012-02-20 02:18:43 <luke-jr> it makes a Sign Message tab in the main window
248 2012-02-20 02:18:54 <word> screenie?
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250 2012-02-20 02:20:26 <luke-jr> http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/screenshots/snapshot74.png
251 2012-02-20 02:21:24 <word> yah, tbh i think that's better than the popup
252 2012-02-20 02:21:33 <word> i dont like popups
253 2012-02-20 02:21:35 <luke-jr> ;)
254 2012-02-20 02:21:53 <word> but there might be a way to do it without the popup and the tab
255 2012-02-20 02:21:57 <word> i'd have to fiddle with it some
256 2012-02-20 02:22:10 <luke-jr> more important IMO is the ability to sign from a specific txn instead of address
257 2012-02-20 02:22:57 <word> to provide a receipt?
258 2012-02-20 02:23:03 <luke-jr> yeah
259 2012-02-20 02:24:14 <amiller> hey i have an idea, what if the proof of work scheme includes an 'retrievability challenge' of random selections of tx from bitcoin's history
260 2012-02-20 02:24:26 <luke-jr> ?
261 2012-02-20 02:24:46 <amiller> that would make sure that pool operators at least have to demonstrate easy access to that data, even if there's no way to force them to look at it
262 2012-02-20 02:25:24 <sipa> amiller: they have to look at it; if they don't, they risk having their blocks ignored by others that do verify
263 2012-02-20 02:25:31 <amiller> that risk isn't so compelling
264 2012-02-20 02:25:44 <amiller> or another way of putting it is there are equilibria that involve not keeping all that data
265 2012-02-20 02:25:45 <gmaxwell> sipa: mine no txn
266 2012-02-20 02:25:52 <word> luke-jr: hmm what's the usecase? like a record that 'i paid for this'? you can go back in the blockchain and see that you paid for it can't you?
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268 2012-02-20 02:26:09 <amiller> so instead, the hash of the current block should be used to generate a random sample of transactions from history
269 2012-02-20 02:26:25 <luke-jr> word: to prove you were the one who paid it :P
270 2012-02-20 02:26:26 <gmaxwell> I mentioned a suggestion while we were talking about the heights here.. require the coinbase to include a hash of the prior block's input txns .. to prove you knew how to validate them.
271 2012-02-20 02:26:31 <amiller> the next block must include a fresh hash data of those transactions
272 2012-02-20 02:26:40 <luke-jr> word: and what you paid for
273 2012-02-20 02:26:46 <lianj> regarding alert packet, is the signature made on "Serialized alert payload"?
274 2012-02-20 02:26:49 <gmaxwell> amiller: I don't think it's much of an issue.
275 2012-02-20 02:27:05 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: don't be evil :<
276 2012-02-20 02:27:10 <gmaxwell> amiller: the subsidy will be small before the chain is big enough that anyone would think of doing something stupid like that
277 2012-02-20 02:27:22 <sipa> luke-jr: you don't prove that you are the one who paid it, any more than the transaction itself does
278 2012-02-20 02:27:36 <sipa> (of course, once you add a message to connect some extra data to it, things change)
279 2012-02-20 02:27:36 <amiller> the other thing is it will be scalable
280 2012-02-20 02:27:39 <amiller> because one thing you can do
281 2012-02-20 02:27:43 <amiller> is keep a lottery of storage
282 2012-02-20 02:27:45 <luke-jr> sipa: that's what the message is for
283 2012-02-20 02:27:48 <amiller> or a bloom filter basically
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285 2012-02-20 02:28:01 <word> luke-jr: Hm, I guess. Seems like something a business would like to have to give to customers but just like receipts stores give when you buy stuff they really don't serve a functional purpose anymore, the transaction is still stored in their system under the customer's name and cc info (unless it was cash)
286 2012-02-20 02:28:14 <amiller> basically this would allow pool operators not just to farm off their gpu power, but also their storage
287 2012-02-20 02:28:20 <word> most times they just want you to lose the receipt so they can avoid the refund
288 2012-02-20 02:28:39 <luke-jr> word: the purpose would be, you deliver the signature to the merchant with your order details
289 2012-02-20 02:28:49 <amiller> every transaction from history you can remember is like a lottery ticket so you'd want to keep as many as you can
290 2012-02-20 02:29:15 <amiller> the 'difficulty' would include the number of samples from history you need
291 2012-02-20 02:29:26 <luke-jr> word: otherwise, the merchant doesn't have any way to ensure they ship to the right address (eg, MITM attack)
292 2012-02-20 02:29:56 <amiller> the storage is cheap right now so miners would all have an equal footing here
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294 2012-02-20 02:31:01 <word> luke-jr: so the signature would have the mailing address and purchase items?
295 2012-02-20 02:31:30 <amiller> right now the bitcoin proof of work only proves the network (as a whole) has a lot of gpu power and access to grid energy, the point of this alternate proof of work is that it prove that the network as a whole has a permanent and randomly accessible memory
296 2012-02-20 02:31:50 <sipa> word: the message would, the signature signs a hash of the message
297 2012-02-20 02:31:54 <luke-jr> word: right
298 2012-02-20 02:32:36 <gmaxwell> amiller: weird idea. Interesting.
299 2012-02-20 02:33:01 <luke-jr> hmm
300 2012-02-20 02:33:06 <luke-jr> I think I maybe see a bug in next-test
301 2012-02-20 02:33:10 <word> in practice though... say a phone app NFC scenario, this would all be done instantly right? POS sends the message, client sends coin, client sends signature of message
302 2012-02-20 02:33:10 <luke-jr> but it is very confusing
303 2012-02-20 02:33:22 <luke-jr> word: probably eventually
304 2012-02-20 02:33:38 <luke-jr> anyhow, I just received two unexpected payments
305 2012-02-20 02:33:43 <luke-jr> to addresses I have no idea about
306 2012-02-20 02:33:47 <word> i mean signature of transaction+message*
307 2012-02-20 02:34:17 <sipa> word: any automated payment API would probably do something like that, yes
308 2012-02-20 02:35:37 <luke-jr> http://blockchain.info/tx-index/15829580/e2068753dfe284ee9ebe145ae2ad8182836f3236f09bdc4bbdebd7d417ff0aac
309 2012-02-20 02:35:40 <luke-jr> any ideas wtf this is?
310 2012-02-20 02:35:53 <word> in that context it seems pretty cool, or even in an ewallet scenario, but with the client it seems like it'd be a hassle. Although I dont know of any better way to do it.
311 2012-02-20 02:36:24 <luke-jr> word: client could (eventually) let you provide the message in the Send Coins screen, and email address
312 2012-02-20 02:36:28 <luke-jr> and email the msg+sig
313 2012-02-20 02:36:40 <luke-jr> or IM or whatever
314 2012-02-20 02:36:42 <word> email ><
315 2012-02-20 02:36:51 <word> namecoin message ;)
316 2012-02-20 02:37:03 <luke-jr> no such thing :P
317 2012-02-20 02:37:32 <word> well there's no 'app for that'
318 2012-02-20 02:37:41 <word> but it can be done-ish
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324 2012-02-20 02:49:07 <word> luke-jr: what does 'Be careful to only sign statement you agree to with full details, as phishing attacks may try to trick you into signing access to them." mean? Seems unclear
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330 2012-02-20 03:01:24 <XMPPwocky> word: er
331 2012-02-20 03:01:32 <XMPPwocky> what's unclear
332 2012-02-20 03:01:45 <word> i have no idea what it's saying
333 2012-02-20 03:02:25 <XMPPwocky> word: don't sign something you don't agree to
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335 2012-02-20 03:05:11 <word> XMPPwocky: why? how would that give access to anyone?
336 2012-02-20 03:05:24 <XMPPwocky> ...
337 2012-02-20 03:05:56 <gmaxwell> Say there is some site you can log in to using a signmessage from an address you paid them with
338 2012-02-20 03:06:03 Z0rZ0rZ0r1 is now known as Z0rZ0rZ0r
339 2012-02-20 03:06:27 <gmaxwell> later crafty mchacker says "sign this junk for me" ... and you do.. then he logs in as you because you just signed a login token while you weren't paying attention.
340 2012-02-20 03:06:46 <k9quaint> why does the hacker always gotta be irish?
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342 2012-02-20 03:07:22 <gmaxwell> cause everyone loves to crap on the irish?
343 2012-02-20 03:07:34 <k9quaint> fair enough
344 2012-02-20 03:07:50 <sipa> gmaxwell: you can save yourself by claiming it's MC Hacker, instead of McHacker
345 2012-02-20 03:08:08 <word> gmaxwell: ahh, so if you sign something for someone, they can then use that signature to prove they're you..ok
346 2012-02-20 03:08:29 <gmaxwell> word: yes, thus you should be mindful of what you signâ just like a paper document!
347 2012-02-20 03:08:43 <k9quaint> you could have it fit the times with Hackau Popandrobalos
348 2012-02-20 03:09:07 <word> or Whitney Houston
349 2012-02-20 03:09:09 <word> ..wait
350 2012-02-20 03:09:24 <k9quaint> no, thats crack, not hack
351 2012-02-20 03:09:29 <word> my mistake
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353 2012-02-20 03:11:50 <word> What about: "Be careful to only sign statements you agree to, as phishing attacks may try to trick you into signing a message, that allows them to prove they own your public address."
354 2012-02-20 03:12:29 <sipa> not prove- falsely claim
355 2012-02-20 03:13:38 <word> hmm but that might leave room for assuming that anyone else would have a way of knowing that they don't own it
356 2012-02-20 03:15:20 <Raccoon> UI Bug: tooltip for hovering over status bar produces "Last received block was generated %n second ago."
357 2012-02-20 03:15:33 <gmaxwell> word: well they canâ you can tell them! :)
358 2012-02-20 03:15:44 <gmaxwell> (and presumably they can't generate many more of them)
359 2012-02-20 03:16:10 <word> "Be careful to only sign statements you agree to, as phishing attacks may try to trick you into signing a message. With that signature they could pretend they own your public address."
360 2012-02-20 03:16:35 <k9quaint> phishing attacks will, not may try to trick you
361 2012-02-20 03:16:45 * luke-jr likes the current way it's phrased better ;P
362 2012-02-20 03:17:10 <k9quaint> if they don't try to trick you, they aren't phishing :P
363 2012-02-20 03:17:18 <sipa> Why say "public" there?
364 2012-02-20 03:17:32 <sipa> It's pretending they have your private key.
365 2012-02-20 03:17:33 <word> well the current one at least needs the change 'sign statement you agree to' -> 'sign statement%s% you agree to'
366 2012-02-20 03:17:34 <Raccoon> they trick you by not trying!
367 2012-02-20 03:17:38 <luke-jr> lol
368 2012-02-20 03:17:38 <word> err messed up bolding
369 2012-02-20 03:18:00 <luke-jr> oops
370 2012-02-20 03:18:17 <luke-jr> sipa: want to fix that quick, or do I need to make a pullreq? <.<
371 2012-02-20 03:18:18 <word> sipa: the point of the signature is to prove you own the public one though right?
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373 2012-02-20 03:19:17 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: gmaxwell opened issue 874 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/874>
374 2012-02-20 03:19:18 <luke-jr> "You can sign messages with your addresses to prove you own them. Be careful to only sign statements you agree to with full details, as phishing attacks may try to trick you into signing control over to them." ?
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377 2012-02-20 03:19:39 <luke-jr> k9quaint: phishing attacks don't try to trick *everyone* ;)
378 2012-02-20 03:19:48 <word> the 'with full details' bit annoys me
379 2012-02-20 03:20:07 <word> idk what it means
380 2012-02-20 03:20:17 <sipa> luke-jr: where is it in the source? i can't find with grep? :$
381 2012-02-20 03:20:24 <luke-jr> "You can sign messages with your addresses to prove you own them. Be careful to only sign fully-detailed statements you agree to, as phishing attacks may try to trick you into signing control over to them." ?
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383 2012-02-20 03:20:51 <luke-jr> sipa: src/qt/forms/messagepage.ui
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387 2012-02-20 03:21:30 <sipa> oh... i didn't even know we had source files beyond .cpp and .h
388 2012-02-20 03:21:35 <word> why not fully-detailed statements->messages?
389 2012-02-20 03:21:59 <word> and idk if control/access is the right word. It's identity theft not property theft ya know?
390 2012-02-20 03:22:17 <word> they're stealing your name not your money
391 2012-02-20 03:22:24 <word> but that name can get them money
392 2012-02-20 03:22:31 <k9quaint> usually that is a prelude to stealing your cash
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394 2012-02-20 03:23:33 <word> right, but i think telling people by signing something the person getting the signature will get 'control' will raise some red flags with people
395 2012-02-20 03:24:07 <k9quaint> I don't think ordinary americans should be allowed to sign anything
396 2012-02-20 03:24:15 <word> sipa: the .ui's are qt's xml files for gui's
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398 2012-02-20 03:24:30 <luke-jr> word: you can control money with it
399 2012-02-20 03:24:42 <luke-jr> sipa: .ui open with Qt Designer
400 2012-02-20 03:24:59 <luke-jr> word: FWIW, my personal use case is controlling your mining account on Eligius pool
401 2012-02-20 03:25:00 ferroh has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
402 2012-02-20 03:25:17 <luke-jr> word: by signing a message, you control where namecoins earned go
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404 2012-02-20 03:25:31 <luke-jr> so, if you sign something stupidly, you just lost all those
405 2012-02-20 03:26:10 <word> luke-jr: yah but to the layman i think saying identity theft is better
406 2012-02-20 03:26:25 <word> they pretend to be you and get the namecoins setn to them instead
407 2012-02-20 03:26:29 <word> because they stole your identity
408 2012-02-20 03:26:42 <word> it's easier to understand imo
409 2012-02-20 03:26:46 <sipa> luke-jr: i justed edited the file using a text editor, that's fine, i hope?
410 2012-02-20 03:26:51 <luke-jr> "You can sign messages with your addresses to prove you own them. Be careful to only sign fully-detailed statements you agree to, as phishing attacks may try to trick you into signing your identity over to them." ?
411 2012-02-20 03:26:57 <sipa> no other checked-in files that need modification or so
412 2012-02-20 03:26:59 <luke-jr> sipa: AFAIK should be OK
413 2012-02-20 03:27:11 <luke-jr> sipa: might need to rebuild to update ts files
414 2012-02-20 03:28:27 <word> luke-jr: i like it more and more,
415 2012-02-20 03:28:48 <word> just one more bit, perhaps something to explain why fully-detailed statements are advisable
416 2012-02-20 03:29:05 <word> like "Be careful to not sign anything vague, only sign fully-detailed statements you agree to"
417 2012-02-20 03:29:16 <luke-jr> "You can sign messages with your addresses to prove you own them. Be careful to only sign fully-detailed (or at least non-ambiguous) statements you agree to, as phishing attacks may try to trick you into signing your identity over to them." ?
418 2012-02-20 03:29:34 <luke-jr> "You can sign messages with your addresses to prove you own them. Be careful to only sign fully-detailed, or at least not vague, statements you agree to, as phishing attacks may try to trick you into signing your identity over to them." ?
419 2012-02-20 03:29:57 <word> i like it with the 'what not to do' part in front
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421 2012-02-20 03:30:36 <luke-jr> "You can sign messages with your addresses to prove you own them. Be careful not to sign anything vague, as phishing attacks may try to trick you into signing your identity over to them. Only sign fully-detailed statements you agree to," ?
422 2012-02-20 03:30:50 <word> if you hate me for this blame Sho_ from konvi he gets pendantic over -every- string and it's rubbed off on me. ;p
423 2012-02-20 03:30:58 <word> yes! i like it
424 2012-02-20 03:31:02 <luke-jr> lol
425 2012-02-20 03:31:07 <luke-jr> sipa: "You can sign messages with your addresses to prove you own them. Be careful not to sign anything vague, as phishing attacks may try to trick you into signing your identity over to them. Only sign fully-detailed statements you agree to,"
426 2012-02-20 03:31:11 <luke-jr> err
427 2012-02-20 03:31:13 <luke-jr> sipa: "You can sign messages with your addresses to prove you own them. Be careful not to sign anything vague, as phishing attacks may try to trick you into signing your identity over to them. Only sign fully-detailed statements you agree to."
428 2012-02-20 03:31:32 <k9quaint> how about "Don't press this button."
429 2012-02-20 03:31:36 <luke-jr> lol
430 2012-02-20 03:31:38 <word> and color it red ;p
431 2012-02-20 03:31:50 <word> but then -everyone- would push it
432 2012-02-20 03:31:54 <word> it's the perfect phishing attack
433 2012-02-20 03:31:58 <k9quaint> ;)
434 2012-02-20 03:32:04 <word> color the 'sign away your identity' button red, works every time
435 2012-02-20 03:32:10 * k9quaint whistles innocently
436 2012-02-20 03:32:10 <sipa> luke-jr: meh, pullreq that
437 2012-02-20 03:32:13 <luke-jr> how about the first time you click, open a 20 page popup disclaimer that forces you to spend at least 5 minutes scrolling through it before letting you proceed
438 2012-02-20 03:32:15 <Graet> mmm RED BUTTON!!! wooohoooo
439 2012-02-20 03:32:23 <sipa> once you're certain :)
440 2012-02-20 03:32:58 <word> luke-jr: and the pages if you flip through them as fast as someone who isn't reading them would show a flip-book of a stick figure getting losing his money or something
441 2012-02-20 03:33:15 <word> figure losing*
442 2012-02-20 03:33:19 <luke-jr> lol
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444 2012-02-20 03:34:23 <XMPPwocky> luke-jr: "run bitcoin with -enable-arbitrary-signing to use this feature, after reading the README!"
445 2012-02-20 03:34:33 <luke-jr> XMPPwocky: no :<
446 2012-02-20 03:34:56 <luke-jr> actually, I did suggest that for an obscure unsafe thing once
447 2012-02-20 03:35:21 <luke-jr> IIRC -unsafefees='Yes, I understand that enabling unsafe fees may possibly cause my transactions to get permanently stuck and lost forever.'
448 2012-02-20 03:35:56 <sipa> Like growisofs had --use-the-force-luke
449 2012-02-20 03:36:30 <XMPPwocky> or, preface every message being signsd with the address you're signing it "for"
450 2012-02-20 03:36:44 <XMPPwocky> not a tx
451 2012-02-20 03:37:03 <XMPPwocky> but that + address book
452 2012-02-20 03:37:37 <luke-jr> on principle, I prepend every message with the date
453 2012-02-20 03:37:59 <sipa> You probably should.
454 2012-02-20 03:38:56 <XMPPwocky> or, a domain name
455 2012-02-20 03:39:32 <word> or you could add something crazy to it
456 2012-02-20 03:39:36 <XMPPwocky> "sign-message 1foobar mtgox.com authentication-token-goes-here"
457 2012-02-20 03:39:40 <word> that nobody would sign unless they had to
458 2012-02-20 03:39:42 <luke-jr> "2012-02-20: I authorize sending my earned namecoins to: NF97NaSXSdFGSFUR7QiBCMxnWQvBMJu6Fh" <-- example msg for Eligius
459 2012-02-20 03:39:56 <luke-jr> word: crazy = ambiguous
460 2012-02-20 03:40:00 <word> like "I am a member of the nazi party and I authorize sending my earned namecoins to ---"
461 2012-02-20 03:40:11 <word> if someone tried to phish you into signing that
462 2012-02-20 03:40:13 <luke-jr> word: Eligius will not tolerate any variation on the message ;)
463 2012-02-20 03:40:14 <word> you'd prob think twice
464 2012-02-20 03:40:21 <XMPPwocky> luke-jr: ... put it in the blockchain!
465 2012-02-20 03:40:25 <word> luke-jr: i know, i signed mine already :P
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468 2012-02-20 03:44:41 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: luke-jr opened issue 875 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/875>
469 2012-02-20 03:46:00 <luke-jr> sipa: ^
470 2012-02-20 03:46:24 <word> and also: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/876
471 2012-02-20 03:47:01 <luke-jr> oh yeah
472 2012-02-20 03:47:07 <luke-jr> that's the one I thoguht it was announcing ;)
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475 2012-02-20 03:49:52 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: luke-jr opened pull request 876 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/876>
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477 2012-02-20 03:52:02 <word> gribble's late to the party
478 2012-02-20 03:52:15 <BlueMatt> github's fault
479 2012-02-20 03:52:16 XDS2010 has joined
480 2012-02-20 03:53:09 <XDS2010> My ISP is actively blocking bitcoin communication. Is there anyway to transfer my remaining balance without syncing to the desktop wallet ?
481 2012-02-20 03:53:15 <luke-jr> XDS2010: !
482 2012-02-20 03:53:24 <luke-jr> XDS2010: what ISP? how?
483 2012-02-20 03:53:26 <BlueMatt> what isp is this?
484 2012-02-20 03:53:27 <XDS2010> luke-jr: !
485 2012-02-20 03:53:43 <XDS2010> cox
486 2012-02-20 03:53:52 <word> i'm using cox and it works just fine..
487 2012-02-20 03:53:52 <luke-jr> XDS2010: are you sure this isn't a bug?
488 2012-02-20 03:54:01 <josephcp> do you have the newest version of bitcoind?
489 2012-02-20 03:54:09 <BlueMatt> for some reason I dont think its your isp
490 2012-02-20 03:54:10 <luke-jr> XDS2010: a protocol change was just rolled out today
491 2012-02-20 03:54:15 <XDS2010> yep pretty sure, i called them and they said they dont want anything to do with bitcoin
492 2012-02-20 03:54:27 <josephcp> first line tech support are usually more wrong than right
493 2012-02-20 03:54:28 <luke-jr> doesn't mean they block it
494 2012-02-20 03:54:31 <XDS2010> luke-jr: haven't been able to sync for weeks
495 2012-02-20 03:54:34 <word> XDS2010: i use cox....it isn't blocked
496 2012-02-20 03:54:36 <BlueMatt> blocking it gives puts them in the position of having a lot to do with bitcoin...
497 2012-02-20 03:54:36 <luke-jr> XDS2010: what's their number?
498 2012-02-20 03:54:43 <josephcp> what version of bitcoin are you using
499 2012-02-20 03:54:45 <word> luke-jr: they don't block it
500 2012-02-20 03:54:50 <luke-jr> word: regionally?
501 2012-02-20 03:55:03 <luke-jr> XDS2010: is your system clock correct?
502 2012-02-20 03:55:06 <luke-jr> and timezone
503 2012-02-20 03:55:14 <josephcp> no, us ISPs don't think like that, they don't go out of their way to block botnets even when they know about it
504 2012-02-20 03:55:14 <word> at least not on their whole network
505 2012-02-20 03:55:15 <XDS2010> luke-jr: 1 (800) 422-1234
506 2012-02-20 03:55:27 <XDS2010> josephcp: latest version
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508 2012-02-20 03:55:29 <word> XDS2010: what state and/or city do you live in?
509 2012-02-20 03:55:33 <josephcp> latest version is....
510 2012-02-20 03:55:40 <XDS2010> luke-jr: yes my system clock is correct
511 2012-02-20 03:55:45 <luke-jr> XDS2010: that number is something called "Dex"â¦
512 2012-02-20 03:56:07 <XDS2010> 0.5.2
513 2012-02-20 03:56:11 <josephcp> ok
514 2012-02-20 03:56:27 <luke-jr> XDS2010: what OS?
515 2012-02-20 03:57:09 <XDS2010> we have cox at work as well, i tried there and was also not able to connect. this is when i got suspicious. I spoke to a local cox tech supervisor and he said f*** bitcoin in not so many words
516 2012-02-20 03:57:47 <josephcp> i really doubt that
517 2012-02-20 03:57:48 <XDS2010> so is there anything i can do ? changing ISP's would be more work than worth at this point
518 2012-02-20 03:57:53 <word> just because a local tech doesnt like it doesnt mean he has the authority or even capability to block it..
519 2012-02-20 03:57:56 <luke-jr> XDS2010: why are you connecting with Verizon?
520 2012-02-20 03:58:00 <BlueMatt> bitcoin works over tor...
521 2012-02-20 03:58:03 <josephcp> tech support doesn't have NOC access
522 2012-02-20 03:58:12 <XDS2010> luke-jr: im on a wireless network right now
523 2012-02-20 03:58:21 <luke-jr> that sounds like the easiest answer then
524 2012-02-20 03:58:22 <josephcp> and tech support (even supervisors) will get some serious shit if they go off their script
525 2012-02-20 03:58:22 <luke-jr> <.<
526 2012-02-20 03:58:24 <XDS2010> (not at home)
527 2012-02-20 03:58:40 <XDS2010> josephcp: he was pretty clear
528 2012-02-20 03:58:55 <BlueMatt> he said explicitly that they block bitcoin?
529 2012-02-20 03:59:01 <XDS2010> yep
530 2012-02-20 03:59:13 <luke-jr> XDS2010: why is that 800 number not Cox? :
531 2012-02-20 03:59:14 <luke-jr> :/
532 2012-02-20 03:59:22 <XDS2010> luke-jr: its cox
533 2012-02-20 03:59:27 <XDS2010> 1 (800) 422-1234
534 2012-02-20 03:59:42 <word> for what region?
535 2012-02-20 03:59:45 <luke-jr> "Thank you for calling Dex One"
536 2012-02-20 03:59:49 <XDS2010> north east
537 2012-02-20 03:59:59 <XDS2010> luke-jr: try 800-229-6542 for the midwest
538 2012-02-20 04:00:09 <luke-jr> I don't want to reach someone different
539 2012-02-20 04:00:11 <josephcp> inb4 this is a troll
540 2012-02-20 04:00:24 <XDS2010> josephcp: who is a troll ?
541 2012-02-20 04:00:30 <XDS2010> screw you
542 2012-02-20 04:00:46 <XDS2010> this is what i know and what i was told
543 2012-02-20 04:01:03 <josephcp> phone number doesn't match your ISP
544 2012-02-20 04:01:16 <XDS2010> josephcp: he was very clear they actively block bitcoin
545 2012-02-20 04:01:23 <luke-jr> josephcp: no, Cox's site does have the # on it
546 2012-02-20 04:01:27 <sipa> Who is Dex One?
547 2012-02-20 04:01:36 <word> dex is a phonebook company afaik
548 2012-02-20 04:01:51 <luke-jr> XDS2010: didn't you say "hey, I pay you; you provide what I pay for or else"?
549 2012-02-20 04:02:13 <XDS2010> luke-jr: he was pretty angry when i mentioned bitcoin
550 2012-02-20 04:02:28 <word> lul
551 2012-02-20 04:02:44 <luke-jr> XDS2010: is there a sane number I can reach these idiots at?
552 2012-02-20 04:03:32 <word> XDS2010: here's how you transfer your money: you post your private key in #bitcoin and some nice folks will send it to a public key you provide asap >.>
553 2012-02-20 04:03:38 <josephcp> luke-jr: why you trying to hassle an ISP purely on hearsay
554 2012-02-20 04:03:45 <XDS2010> luke-jr: i can pm you his personal number and name
555 2012-02-20 04:03:55 <luke-jr> josephcp: first I get to someone high up and confirm :p
556 2012-02-20 04:03:59 <luke-jr> XDS2010: sure
557 2012-02-20 04:03:59 <word> luke-jr: simple answer is best: they don't block bitcoin. I'm on bitcoin
558 2012-02-20 04:04:01 <XDS2010> he also does tech for us at work
559 2012-02-20 04:04:05 <word> i'm on cox
560 2012-02-20 04:04:09 <josephcp> luke-jr: no one else has problems on cox
561 2012-02-20 04:04:09 <luke-jr> word: Cox is big
562 2012-02-20 04:04:15 <luke-jr> josephcp: as far as we know
563 2012-02-20 04:04:26 <josephcp> if you want to know, get a city and then call cox from their whois data
564 2012-02-20 04:04:33 <josephcp> on the prompt ask for "Network Operations"
565 2012-02-20 04:04:34 <word> policies like blocking things wouldn't be region specific imo
566 2012-02-20 04:04:42 <josephcp> guaranteed get someone who knows, but you're wasting your time
567 2012-02-20 04:04:51 <luke-jr> word: you give them too much credit.
568 2012-02-20 04:04:59 <XDS2010> josephcp: i don't think that would be possible but i can try
569 2012-02-20 04:05:05 <word> XDS2010: what state are you in?
570 2012-02-20 04:05:07 <luke-jr> word: policies like bandwidth limits are trusted to end-user-owned equipment for enforcement
571 2012-02-20 04:05:12 <XDS2010> our internet access at work is cox
572 2012-02-20 04:05:12 <luke-jr> word: RI
573 2012-02-20 04:05:20 <XDS2010> DS3 cox@work
574 2012-02-20 04:05:24 <josephcp> more likely your work is blocking it
575 2012-02-20 04:05:38 <josephcp> i sure as hell wouldn't let bitcoin on run a corporate network
576 2012-02-20 04:05:47 <XDS2010> josephcp: i dont think so from what i can tell
577 2012-02-20 04:05:48 <word> so the tech support # is: 877-206-4210
578 2012-02-20 04:05:48 <zordilorp> :-0o0o0o0o0o
579 2012-02-20 04:06:16 <XDS2010> what is a pingable address for the desktop client ?
580 2012-02-20 04:06:23 <BlueMatt> ???
581 2012-02-20 04:06:25 <luke-jr> XDS2010: wtf?
582 2012-02-20 04:06:38 <word> XDS2010: if you're connecting from verizon why can't you access your wallet?
583 2012-02-20 04:06:39 <luke-jr> XDS2010: gonna PM me the guy's name/number?
584 2012-02-20 04:06:59 <XDS2010> luke-jr: yea
585 2012-02-20 04:07:42 <sipa> XDS2010: what do you mean with pingable address?
586 2012-02-20 04:09:03 <XDS2010> what address does the client connect to ?
587 2012-02-20 04:09:07 <luke-jr> XDS2010: any
588 2012-02-20 04:09:15 <luke-jr> it's p2p
589 2012-02-20 04:09:18 <luke-jr> there are no servers
590 2012-02-20 04:09:19 <XDS2010> in other words its decentralized ?
591 2012-02-20 04:09:23 <word> ...
592 2012-02-20 04:09:28 <XDS2010> right that explains a lot
593 2012-02-20 04:09:33 <luke-jr> that's the *whole point* of bitcoinâ¦
594 2012-02-20 04:09:41 <josephcp> see luke-jr don't waste some techsupport drone's time
595 2012-02-20 04:09:54 <josephcp> ;-)
596 2012-02-20 04:09:57 <word> agreed
597 2012-02-20 04:10:05 <luke-jr> josephcp: meh, better than the call they would take otherwise
598 2012-02-20 04:10:08 <XDS2010> since cox also actively blocks bittorrent connections in my city
599 2012-02-20 04:10:12 <XDS2010> that would make sense
600 2012-02-20 04:10:13 <josephcp> cox ONLY blocks port 25
601 2012-02-20 04:10:14 <josephcp> that's it
602 2012-02-20 04:10:28 RobinPKR_ has joined
603 2012-02-20 04:10:30 <XDS2010> josephcp: maybe in your area but in mine its different
604 2012-02-20 04:10:35 <josephcp> and ib et if you called in and asked, and went up 2 levels of techsupport they wouldn't even KNOW they blocked SMTP
605 2012-02-20 04:10:37 <gmaxwell> XDS2010: when did it stop working.
606 2012-02-20 04:10:46 <gmaxwell> ?
607 2012-02-20 04:11:02 <XDS2010> about 2 weeks ago gmaxwell
608 2012-02-20 04:11:16 <TuxBlackEdo> interesting
609 2012-02-20 04:11:18 <josephcp> this is on a corporate line though right?
610 2012-02-20 04:11:25 <gmaxwell> XDS2010: what version of bitcoin are you running?
611 2012-02-20 04:11:31 <josephcp> gmaxwell: he said 0.5.2
612 2012-02-20 04:11:32 <XDS2010> about the same time the finished "network upgrades"
613 2012-02-20 04:11:37 <XDS2010> they*
614 2012-02-20 04:11:46 <gmaxwell> josephcp: sorry, missed the beginning of this.
615 2012-02-20 04:11:56 <josephcp> corporate line => they block anything they want. i'd block bitcoind too if i ran a corporate network
616 2012-02-20 04:12:02 RobinPKR has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
617 2012-02-20 04:12:03 RobinPKR_ is now known as RobinPKR
618 2012-02-20 04:12:19 <XDS2010> i don't give a shit what they block i just want my money
619 2012-02-20 04:12:23 <gmaxwell> XDS2010: What does your client say when you try to run it? Just zero connections?
620 2012-02-20 04:12:29 <gmaxwell> XDS2010: no worries, your money is fine.
621 2012-02-20 04:12:29 <XDS2010> as long as i can get my money out im ok
622 2012-02-20 04:12:37 <word> i'd block any p2p on a corporate line tbh
623 2012-02-20 04:12:40 <josephcp> XDS2010: your current ISP you're chatting on should be ok
624 2012-02-20 04:12:41 <XDS2010> gmaxwell: exactly
625 2012-02-20 04:12:47 <gmaxwell> First, if you just copy off your wallet.dat file you have your money. End of story.
626 2012-02-20 04:12:55 <word> ^
627 2012-02-20 04:13:00 <gmaxwell> word: sure people block things, but ISPs don't.
628 2012-02-20 04:13:05 <XDS2010> josephcp: this is my next door neighbors connection im leaching off of
629 2012-02-20 04:13:06 <TuxBlackEdo> someone start a http server on port 8333 and have him connect to it
630 2012-02-20 04:13:09 <word> put it on a usb, go to an internet cafe
631 2012-02-20 04:13:15 <XDS2010> josephcp: and yes he knows i am
632 2012-02-20 04:13:17 <gmaxwell> XDS2010: but I'd like to figure out if you're actually being blocked by your ISP or a local firewall.
633 2012-02-20 04:13:19 <luke-jr> XDS2010: so do that
634 2012-02-20 04:13:21 <josephcp> word: exactly, way too risky, the moment you let p2p on a corporate network they can mask/hide-in-the-crowd that traffic to be seriously nasty stuff
635 2012-02-20 04:13:22 jercos has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
636 2012-02-20 04:13:22 att_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
637 2012-02-20 04:13:45 <gmaxwell> TuxBlackEdo: fantastic idea. Have you done that yet?
638 2012-02-20 04:13:47 <XDS2010> is there a way to do a blind transfer or something ?
639 2012-02-20 04:13:54 parus has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
640 2012-02-20 04:13:59 <XDS2010> i have all my keys
641 2012-02-20 04:14:02 <TuxBlackEdo> XDS2010, try http://firebind.com
642 2012-02-20 04:14:11 <XDS2010> TuxBlackEdo: whats that ?
643 2012-02-20 04:14:14 <TuxBlackEdo> test all your ports
644 2012-02-20 04:14:22 <TuxBlackEdo> its an outbound port tester
645 2012-02-20 04:14:23 <gmaxwell> TuxBlackEdo: great call.
646 2012-02-20 04:14:25 <TuxBlackEdo> you need java
647 2012-02-20 04:14:26 <word> gmaxwell: they do, but they usually dont for long because the legality of blocking certain traffic is fuzzy and it's also highly unpopular
648 2012-02-20 04:14:34 <josephcp> TuxBlackEdo: oh nice! bookmarked
649 2012-02-20 04:14:56 <gmaxwell> word: right. VZN blocked the bitcoin irc at one point because some idiot thought it was a botnet, but it was only for two days.
650 2012-02-20 04:15:03 <XDS2010> ok so right now im stuck right ?
651 2012-02-20 04:15:06 <gmaxwell> If thats whats happening here we need to get it fixed
652 2012-02-20 04:15:18 <josephcp> 0.5.2 should be able to do DNS boostrapping though
653 2012-02-20 04:15:19 <josephcp> no?
654 2012-02-20 04:15:27 <sipa> josephcp: sure
655 2012-02-20 04:15:30 <XDS2010> gmaxwell: the techs are pretty resilient in this area
656 2012-02-20 04:15:37 <sipa> XDS2010: if the problem persists, you can always try running over tor
657 2012-02-20 04:15:51 <XDS2010> sipa: ok how ?
658 2012-02-20 04:15:52 <word> XDS2010: techs dont have a say
659 2012-02-20 04:15:57 <josephcp> so to make this clear: do you have *home* cox internet?
660 2012-02-20 04:16:10 <XDS2010> word: who says ?
661 2012-02-20 04:16:25 <word> XDS2010: corporate structure?
662 2012-02-20 04:16:27 <josephcp> XDS2010: tech support people (up to tier 3) have no real access to the network
663 2012-02-20 04:16:43 <word> the guy fixing your fiber connection has no say in what goes through it
664 2012-02-20 04:16:57 <josephcp> you know you're going above tier 3 home/retail tech support when they tell you to call a seperate number (because they outsource their call center staffing)
665 2012-02-20 04:17:18 <luke-jr> josephcp: know the #?
666 2012-02-20 04:17:18 <gmaxwell> Can someone find a simple http port tester that doesn't require Java that XDS can try on port 8333?
667 2012-02-20 04:17:36 <XMPPwocky> noc noc, who's there?
668 2012-02-20 04:17:40 <luke-jr> it'd be nice if we could tell people to try -addnode=x.x.x.x:someotherport <.<
669 2012-02-20 04:17:41 <josephcp> luke-jr: nope, but if you have an ip just do a whois on the ip and then call the number
670 2012-02-20 04:17:56 <josephcp> usually youll get an IVR saying "please say the party you wish to reach" and then you say "network operations"
671 2012-02-20 04:18:10 <XMPPwocky> gmaxwell: run http on 8333.
672 2012-02-20 04:19:02 <XMPPwocky> XDS2010: http://xmppwocky.net:8333
673 2012-02-20 04:19:09 XDS2010_ has joined
674 2012-02-20 04:19:20 <XDS2010_> as you can see this connection sucks
675 2012-02-20 04:19:24 <gmaxwell> XDS2010: go to http://www.firebind.com/8333 and xmppwocky's link above
676 2012-02-20 04:19:25 <XDS2010_> lol
677 2012-02-20 04:19:26 * josephcp doing his best to avoid his impulsive nature to folow the link
678 2012-02-20 04:19:39 <XDS2010_> gmaxwell: k ill try it
679 2012-02-20 04:19:43 <luke-jr> XMPPwocky's link is no good
680 2012-02-20 04:19:45 <sipa> XMPPwocky: i can't connect to that
681 2012-02-20 04:19:51 <gmaxwell> josephcp: you can follow mine
682 2012-02-20 04:20:19 XDS2010 has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
683 2012-02-20 04:20:32 <josephcp> oh yeah that one looks good
684 2012-02-20 04:20:50 <gmaxwell> josephcp: we'll have to remember that for the future.
685 2012-02-20 04:20:50 <XDS2010_> in the mean time like i mentioned earlier is there anyway to transfer my money without a sync ? , i have all my keys
686 2012-02-20 04:20:59 SomeoneWeirdAFK is now known as SomeoneWeird
687 2012-02-20 04:21:04 <TuxBlackEdo> here you go
688 2012-02-20 04:21:11 <gmaxwell> XDS2010_: what does http://www.firebind.com/8333 tell you?
689 2012-02-20 04:21:17 <TuxBlackEdo> http://173.231.2.82:8333 <- test my server
690 2012-02-20 04:21:18 <luke-jr> XDS2010_: you were already told how
691 2012-02-20 04:21:26 <gmaxwell> XDS2010_: copy the wallet file, go someplace where you do have a connection use it there
692 2012-02-20 04:21:26 <TuxBlackEdo> ;;web fetch http://173.231.2.82:8333
693 2012-02-20 04:21:26 <gribble> '<title>Directory listing for /</title>\n<h2>Directory listing for /</h2>\n<hr>\n<ul>\n<li><a href="lookslikeport8333works">lookslikeport8333works</a>\n</ul>\n<hr>\n'
694 2012-02-20 04:21:35 <gmaxwell> yea, TuxBlackEdo's works.
695 2012-02-20 04:21:42 <XDS2010_> luke-jr: can i do it online tho ?
696 2012-02-20 04:21:44 <TuxBlackEdo> it should show a directory listing with "looks like port 8333 works" file in it
697 2012-02-20 04:21:51 <luke-jr> XDS2010_: sure
698 2012-02-20 04:21:53 <XDS2010_> gmaxwell: can i do it with a e-wallet ?
699 2012-02-20 04:22:02 <XDS2010_> great!
700 2012-02-20 04:22:04 <XDS2010_> how ?
701 2012-02-20 04:22:04 <XMPPwocky> woo[s
702 2012-02-20 04:22:11 <XMPPwocky> iptables :/
703 2012-02-20 04:22:18 <XMPPwocky> >>
704 2012-02-20 04:22:20 <word> XDS2010_: send me your wallet, i'll put it in an ewallet :)
705 2012-02-20 04:22:23 <TuxBlackEdo> XDS2010_, what does http://173.231.2.82:8333 <- say when you click it?
706 2012-02-20 04:22:28 JRWR has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
707 2012-02-20 04:22:56 <XMPPwocky> ;;web fetch http://instawallet.org
708 2012-02-20 04:22:59 <XDS2010_> TuxBlackEdo: no data received
709 2012-02-20 04:23:04 <gribble> The read operation timed out
710 2012-02-20 04:23:11 <TuxBlackEdo> XDS2010_, very interesting!
711 2012-02-20 04:23:17 <gmaxwell> XDS2010_: and the link I gave you?
712 2012-02-20 04:23:19 <TuxBlackEdo> looks like your outbound 8333 doesnt work
713 2012-02-20 04:23:26 <TuxBlackEdo> let me try something different
714 2012-02-20 04:23:29 <josephcp> are you using a laptop that isn't yours?
715 2012-02-20 04:23:34 <XDS2010_> how do i use instawallet ?
716 2012-02-20 04:23:36 <TuxBlackEdo> let me try to open a port on a different port
717 2012-02-20 04:23:42 <josephcp> a lot of corporate laptops block anything but port 80 and exchange
718 2012-02-20 04:23:49 <sipa> XDS2010_: what does gmaxwell's link tell you?
719 2012-02-20 04:23:49 <josephcp> 443
720 2012-02-20 04:24:05 <sipa> http://www.firebind.com/8333
721 2012-02-20 04:24:18 <XDS2010_> XMPPwocky: ok hold on im reading that
722 2012-02-20 04:24:24 <TuxBlackEdo> sipa, he just tried connecting to my 8333 server and it didnt work
723 2012-02-20 04:24:33 <gmaxwell> TuxBlackEdo: yes, secondary verification is good
724 2012-02-20 04:24:48 <XDS2010_> XMPPwocky: its loading but incredibly slow
725 2012-02-20 04:24:53 <XDS2010_> no offense bud
726 2012-02-20 04:25:12 <josephcp> i know for a fact that a lot of banks have that policy in place. they won't let you access weird ports. even doing ftp on commandline on a public wifi network is blocked at the OS network-stack level
727 2012-02-20 04:25:24 <XDS2010_> Sorry, the website www.instawallet.com cannot be found
728 2012-02-20 04:25:36 <XDS2010_> %^&*( connection
729 2012-02-20 04:25:36 <TuxBlackEdo> XDS2010_, how about http://173.231.2.82:3333
730 2012-02-20 04:25:37 <josephcp> so if it's not your computer where you have full control you'll have trouble
731 2012-02-20 04:25:52 <XDS2010_> lookslikeport3333works/
732 2012-02-20 04:25:56 <TuxBlackEdo> OMG!
733 2012-02-20 04:25:58 <gmaxwell> 3333 works? great.
734 2012-02-20 04:26:01 <XMPPwocky> oookkay
735 2012-02-20 04:26:03 <josephcp> interesting
736 2012-02-20 04:26:17 <TuxBlackEdo> very interesting
737 2012-02-20 04:26:23 <XDS2010_> ok so what now ?
738 2012-02-20 04:26:32 <josephcp> current theory: it's blocked on your computer
739 2012-02-20 04:26:34 <XDS2010_> is there something like instawallet ?
740 2012-02-20 04:26:41 <josephcp> because you're not on cox right now
741 2012-02-20 04:26:42 <gmaxwell> How do you addnode in the GUI?
742 2012-02-20 04:26:58 <XDS2010_> question
743 2012-02-20 04:27:11 <word> answer
744 2012-02-20 04:27:12 <XDS2010_> is there a way to download the entire block set ?
745 2012-02-20 04:27:22 <XDS2010_> or is that not possible ?
746 2012-02-20 04:27:23 <gmaxwell> XDS2010_: in any case, since we know that 3333 works for you, we can get you online.
747 2012-02-20 04:27:45 <gmaxwell> If you edit bitcoin.conf and add a line addnode=71.191.197.79:3333 your bitcoin will be connected to the network
748 2012-02-20 04:28:03 <XDS2010_> gmaxwell: i'll give it a shot
749 2012-02-20 04:28:15 <TuxBlackEdo> gmaxwell, good idea
750 2012-02-20 04:28:25 <gmaxwell> (you'll have to restart after doing that)
751 2012-02-20 04:28:28 <TuxBlackEdo> but he will only be connected to 1 node since everyone else will be using 8333
752 2012-02-20 04:28:39 <TuxBlackEdo> restart the client (not your computer)
753 2012-02-20 04:28:49 <gmaxwell> right just bitcoin needs to be restarted, sorry.
754 2012-02-20 04:28:51 <word> one node is better than no node
755 2012-02-20 04:29:03 <gmaxwell> I run linux, the idea of restarting the computer is foreign to me.
756 2012-02-20 04:29:05 <sipa> gmaxwell: bitcoin deprioritizes connects to non-8333 ports very stringly
757 2012-02-20 04:29:05 <TuxBlackEdo> true
758 2012-02-20 04:29:11 <sipa> you'll need -connect
759 2012-02-20 04:29:26 <XDS2010_> grrrr
760 2012-02-20 04:29:31 <gmaxwell> sipa: sure. but addnode gets pinned up directly at startup.
761 2012-02-20 04:29:37 <XMPPwocky> oh, bug btw
762 2012-02-20 04:29:59 <gmaxwell> XDS2010_: if that doesn't get you a connection instantly use connect=71.191.197.79:3333
763 2012-02-20 04:30:02 <XMPPwocky> send an addr message filled with localhost:8333
764 2012-02-20 04:30:23 <XMPPwocky> or with z remote target
765 2012-02-20 04:30:27 <XMPPwocky> simple dos
766 2012-02-20 04:30:34 <lianj> XMPPwocky: not worth it
767 2012-02-20 04:30:45 <gmaxwell> XMPPwocky: Huh?
768 2012-02-20 04:30:47 <sipa> XMPPwocky: that's why bitcoin deprioritizes connections to non-8333 ports
769 2012-02-20 04:31:08 <XDS2010_> i give up with the client, its not worth the 2.4 btc's i have in there really
770 2012-02-20 04:31:20 <TuxBlackEdo> XDS2010_, what did http://www.firebind.com/8333 say?
771 2012-02-20 04:31:24 <gmaxwell> XDS2010_: er, did you even try?
772 2012-02-20 04:31:27 <XDS2010_> 0% tux
773 2012-02-20 04:31:34 <TuxBlackEdo> XDS2010_, what did http://www.firebind.com/3333 say?
774 2012-02-20 04:31:34 <XMPPwocky> sipa: ah. so no remote, but still dosing a node works
775 2012-02-20 04:31:40 <XDS2010_> gmaxwell: ive been trying all %^&*() night man
776 2012-02-20 04:31:50 <gmaxwell> XDS2010_: 0% isn't what it says when it firebind fails
777 2012-02-20 04:31:55 <sipa> XMPPwocky: define "trying" ?
778 2012-02-20 04:31:55 <XDS2010_> its not worth anymore of my time
779 2012-02-20 04:31:57 <gmaxwell> s/it//
780 2012-02-20 04:32:02 <XDS2010_> really it isn't
781 2012-02-20 04:32:03 <TuxBlackEdo> gmaxwell, yeah it does
782 2012-02-20 04:32:06 <lianj> XMPPwocky: its not dosing at all when there come 60 packets in 5 minutes :P
783 2012-02-20 04:32:28 <TuxBlackEdo> gmaxwell, "Status: 100.0%" for me
784 2012-02-20 04:32:32 <gmaxwell> TuxBlackEdo: yep.
785 2012-02-20 04:32:40 <XDS2010_> its 2.4 btc , im not loosing sleep over it
786 2012-02-20 04:32:41 <gmaxwell> TuxBlackEdo: and it says that for failures too.
787 2012-02-20 04:32:48 <TuxBlackEdo> XDS2010_, (i changed the url) what did http://www.firebind.com/3333 say?
788 2012-02-20 04:32:53 <TuxBlackEdo> does*
789 2012-02-20 04:33:14 <TuxBlackEdo> you sure that you arent behind a router that blocks that outbound port
790 2012-02-20 04:33:15 <XDS2010_> passed 100%
791 2012-02-20 04:33:21 <TuxBlackEdo> oh ok
792 2012-02-20 04:33:26 <XDS2010_> TuxBlackEdo: no routers here or at work
793 2012-02-20 04:33:29 <gmaxwell> XDS2010_: and did you find the bitcoin.conf and edit it then restart bitcoin?
794 2012-02-20 04:33:49 hgi7777 has joined
795 2012-02-20 04:33:49 <XMPPwocky> lianj: you can make a node connect to itself temporarily over 255 times with one pacet
796 2012-02-20 04:33:58 <XDS2010_> gmaxwell: sorry i gave up 5 minutes ago
797 2012-02-20 04:34:29 <XDS2010_> unless there is something other than instawallet online i'll just leave the funds to float forever
798 2012-02-20 04:34:33 <lianj> XMPPwocky: did you try it? i tried the remote once and it was below line noise
799 2012-02-20 04:34:43 <word> XDS2010_: why not just send someone your wallet.dat?
800 2012-02-20 04:34:56 <word> if you don't care about it...
801 2012-02-20 04:34:56 <XMPPwocky> lianj: local is the threat
802 2012-02-20 04:34:57 <gmaxwell> XDS2010_: if you put in that line you'll get on and you can transfer your funds to instawallet.
803 2012-02-20 04:35:15 <TuxBlackEdo> or use http://blockchain.info
804 2012-02-20 04:35:45 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: apparently instawallet is blocked for him too -.-
805 2012-02-20 04:35:55 <gmaxwell> If you're on cox why are you IRCing from verizon?
806 2012-02-20 04:36:14 <XDS2010_> gmaxwell: like i said earlier im on a wireless connection
807 2012-02-20 04:36:19 <gmaxwell> ah.
808 2012-02-20 04:36:20 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: that's been asked twice already -.-
809 2012-02-20 04:37:01 <XDS2010_> its only 2.4 btc like i said, thats ashame tho i could have donated it at the very least
810 2012-02-20 04:37:14 <sipa> XDS2010_: to whom would you donate it?
811 2012-02-20 04:37:20 <word> XDS2010_: if you send it to me i'll donate it...
812 2012-02-20 04:37:25 <luke-jr> XDS2010_: still can
813 2012-02-20 04:37:28 <XDS2010_> sipa: idunno the bc faucet
814 2012-02-20 04:37:30 <gmaxwell> XDS2010_: hehe, we'd all be glad to take it from you if you don't want it. throw the wallet file on a dropbox site and let us race for it. hah
815 2012-02-20 04:37:30 <XMPPwocky> paste the private key lime
816 2012-02-20 04:37:33 <luke-jr> XDS2010_: just email it to iorthjgorei@mailinator.com
817 2012-02-20 04:37:41 <gmaxwell> (or send it to any of us and we'll recover it and send it where you like)
818 2012-02-20 04:37:55 <gmaxwell> (by send it I mean the wallet.dat file)
819 2012-02-20 04:38:02 <XDS2010_> well , i mean like the eff or something
820 2012-02-20 04:38:12 <XDS2010_> does the aspca take bc ?
821 2012-02-20 04:38:17 <sipa> XDS2010_: if you're on a wireless connection by verizon now, why can't you run bitcoin over that?
822 2012-02-20 04:38:41 <XDS2010_> sipa: pretty sure my neighbor wouldn't let me do that for multiple reasons
823 2012-02-20 04:38:47 <luke-jr> like?
824 2012-02-20 04:38:49 <sipa> XDS2010_: but chatting is fine?
825 2012-02-20 04:39:01 <XMPPwocky> i smell fake
826 2012-02-20 04:39:09 <word> is your neighbors network unsecured?
827 2012-02-20 04:39:19 <luke-jr> XMPPwocky: I've smelled fake for a while
828 2012-02-20 04:39:28 <lianj> orly
829 2012-02-20 04:39:31 <XDS2010_> word: i help set him up with his modem and everything
830 2012-02-20 04:39:32 <sipa> 05:24:02 < gmaxwell> XDS2010_: 0% isn't what it says when it firebind fails
831 2012-02-20 04:39:33 <luke-jr> he seems to be implying in multiple ways that Bitcoin has a negative impact on networks
832 2012-02-20 04:40:03 <luke-jr> which is bogus
833 2012-02-20 04:40:24 <XDS2010_> luke-jr: say what you want im just telling you what i know
834 2012-02-20 04:40:40 <luke-jr> XDS2010_: so tell me why you can't run Bitcoin over your neighbor's wifi
835 2012-02-20 04:40:44 word has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
836 2012-02-20 04:40:46 <XDS2010_> sipa: im lucky to get online at this hour at all
837 2012-02-20 04:41:20 <sipa> your connection seems pretty stable; you only need to run bitcoin for a minure to send the funds
838 2012-02-20 04:41:27 <gmaxwell> XDS2010_: welp, I don't know if there is anything more we can doâ several folks in here are pretty trustworthy and will gladly recover the file if you can get the file to them.
839 2012-02-20 04:41:30 <XDS2010_> sipa: this connection is slow as it is
840 2012-02-20 04:41:54 <sipa> gmaxwell: you're too nice :)
841 2012-02-20 04:42:00 <XDS2010_> any of you guys voiced or ops ?
842 2012-02-20 04:42:02 <luke-jr> good thing Bitcoin doesn't need a fast connection
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844 2012-02-20 04:42:20 <luke-jr> XDS2010_: most people here are developers, though IRC ops are something different
845 2012-02-20 04:42:36 <luke-jr> I'd trust sipa, gmaxwell at least
846 2012-02-20 04:42:36 <XDS2010_> luke-jr: aight i'll send you my wallet file
847 2012-02-20 04:42:38 <TuxBlackEdo> XDS2010_, you can always upload it using http://seospike.com/upload_file.php
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849 2012-02-20 04:42:56 <TuxBlackEdo> XDS2010_, its in your $username/.bitcoin/wallet.dat
850 2012-02-20 04:43:13 <TuxBlackEdo> er
851 2012-02-20 04:43:21 <TuxBlackEdo> http://seospike.com/upload.html
852 2012-02-20 04:43:33 <TuxBlackEdo> thanks btw :)
853 2012-02-20 04:43:37 draco49_ is now known as draco49
854 2012-02-20 04:44:08 <luke-jr> I don't think I would trust TuxBlackEdo.
855 2012-02-20 04:44:25 <TuxBlackEdo> he said he would be all right with the funds floating
856 2012-02-20 04:44:34 <lianj> haha yea, why thanks. youre supposed to donate it
857 2012-02-20 04:44:41 <TuxBlackEdo> ill donate it
858 2012-02-20 04:44:59 <lianj> looking forward to that bbe link
859 2012-02-20 04:45:36 <luke-jr> otoh, my wallet has 1 kBTC
860 2012-02-20 04:45:48 <TuxBlackEdo> you got 1000 bitcoins?
861 2012-02-20 04:45:58 <sipa> TuxBlackEdo: he does run a pool :)
862 2012-02-20 04:46:08 <XDS2010_> where would i find the file in windows ?
863 2012-02-20 04:46:11 <zordilorp> luke-jr = rich
864 2012-02-20 04:46:13 <luke-jr> sipa: a very unprofitable pool :P
865 2012-02-20 04:46:23 <TuxBlackEdo> XDS2010_, Username/AppData/Roaming
866 2012-02-20 04:46:29 <luke-jr> I bought a good number of those bitcoins at $25 and $15 :/
867 2012-02-20 04:46:45 <sipa> anyway
868 2012-02-20 04:46:47 <lianj> yikes
869 2012-02-20 04:46:48 <sipa> goodnight y'all
870 2012-02-20 04:47:07 <TuxBlackEdo> XDS2010_, C:\Users\yourusername\AppData\Roaming\bitcoin\wallet.dat
871 2012-02-20 04:47:10 <TuxBlackEdo> night sipa
872 2012-02-20 04:47:24 <XDS2010_> gn sipa
873 2012-02-20 04:47:26 <luke-jr> night
874 2012-02-20 04:47:27 <XDS2010_> ty bt
875 2012-02-20 04:47:27 <Diablo-D3> hrm
876 2012-02-20 04:47:28 <XDS2010_> w
877 2012-02-20 04:47:35 <XDS2010_> grrr btw*
878 2012-02-20 04:47:40 <Diablo-D3> fuck
879 2012-02-20 04:47:45 <XDS2010_> ok luke-jr addy ?
880 2012-02-20 04:47:45 <Diablo-D3> where did I put that url
881 2012-02-20 04:47:51 <Diablo-D3> for the mtgox historical data
882 2012-02-20 04:47:56 <luke-jr> XDS2010_: goheioegj@mailinator.com
883 2012-02-20 04:48:12 <XDS2010_> k
884 2012-02-20 04:48:18 <luke-jr> wait
885 2012-02-20 04:48:23 <luke-jr> do you want me to recover them, or keep them?
886 2012-02-20 04:48:27 <Diablo-D3> oh wait found it
887 2012-02-20 04:48:33 <luke-jr> if recover, I need to give you a safer email
888 2012-02-20 04:48:36 <TuxBlackEdo> XDS2010_, http://seospike.com/upload.html
889 2012-02-20 04:49:00 <luke-jr> XDS2010_: luke_bitcoindev_20120220@dashjr.org
890 2012-02-20 04:49:08 <XDS2010_> luke-jr: i'd like them recovered if possible
891 2012-02-20 04:49:16 <luke-jr> XDS2010_: then use luke_bitcoindev_20120220@dashjr.org
892 2012-02-20 04:49:23 <luke-jr> and tell me where you want them sent
893 2012-02-20 04:50:02 <zordilorp> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=39402.0
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895 2012-02-20 04:50:21 <Diablo-D3> it shouldnt be hard to make a predictinator.
896 2012-02-20 04:50:25 <Diablo-D3> for bitcoin prices.
897 2012-02-20 04:50:34 <XDS2010_> luke-jr: done done and done
898 2012-02-20 04:50:34 <TuxBlackEdo> Diablo-D3, down?
899 2012-02-20 04:50:36 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: like ,,bc,price
900 2012-02-20 04:50:37 <gribble> Next Price Estimate: 5.234388 | Next Price In About 2 days, 17 hours, 1 minute, and 44 seconds
901 2012-02-20 04:50:48 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: yes, but with extra awesome
902 2012-02-20 04:50:50 <Graet> i want a predictinator for pool luck
903 2012-02-20 04:50:51 <Graet> lmao
904 2012-02-20 04:50:52 <XDS2010_> whatever is in there just send them to that key
905 2012-02-20 04:51:00 <XDS2010_> preciate it but
906 2012-02-20 04:51:02 <zordilorp> yes the btc markets are not efficient
907 2012-02-20 04:51:13 <Diablo-D3> I should make them much more efficient then
908 2012-02-20 04:51:19 <word> i want a predictinator for going to bars
909 2012-02-20 04:51:39 <word> on a scale from hard to get -> easy
910 2012-02-20 04:51:57 * XMPPwocky spams lukejr
911 2012-02-20 04:52:14 <Diablo-D3> okay damnit
912 2012-02-20 04:52:18 <Diablo-D3> http://bitcoincharts.com/about/markets-api/
913 2012-02-20 04:52:26 * luke-jr reports XMPPwocky to DEA
914 2012-02-20 04:52:35 <Diablo-D3> isnt there an api for daily high/low/avg?
915 2012-02-20 04:52:38 <XDS2010_> by the way is there a 2-5 year chart somewhere ?
916 2012-02-20 04:52:44 <gmaxwell> etotheipi_: how the hell did you manage to switch 15 minutes early?
917 2012-02-20 04:52:44 <Diablo-D3> or do I have to do it myself?
918 2012-02-20 04:53:08 <TuxBlackEdo> XDS2010_, bitcoincharts.com has the most historical charts
919 2012-02-20 04:53:16 <TuxBlackEdo> you just need to make the window big
920 2012-02-20 04:53:17 <etotheipi_> gmaxwell, I have no clue... but I got a message from someone claiming they were getting checksum errors... I looked and I was too
921 2012-02-20 04:53:33 <luke-jr> lol
922 2012-02-20 04:53:56 <gmaxwell> etotheipi_: 0_o
923 2012-02-20 04:53:58 <zordilorp> i dunno if anyone has compiled the OLHC for each day
924 2012-02-20 04:54:04 <gmaxwell> etotheipi_: was this before midnight?
925 2012-02-20 04:54:06 <zordilorp> but if you load it in mysql its pretty simple to do
926 2012-02-20 04:54:29 <etotheipi_> 6:45pm here (EST)
927 2012-02-20 04:55:06 <etotheipi_> I guess it's possible it switched before that... but I didn't notice (though I was in the middle of testing it... so I would think I'd see it sooner)
928 2012-02-20 04:55:19 <Diablo-D3> anyone wanna comment on that?
929 2012-02-20 04:55:39 <gmaxwell> etotheipi_: the switch was at midnight UTC
930 2012-02-20 04:55:58 <gmaxwell> the time is now...
931 2012-02-20 04:56:01 <gmaxwell> Mon Feb 20 04:48:14 UTC 2012
932 2012-02-20 04:56:11 <etotheipi_> I copied the switch-over time from some forum post right into my code...
933 2012-02-20 04:56:11 <Diablo-D3> it seems it'll only give me the actual trade information
934 2012-02-20 04:56:13 <Diablo-D3> goddamnit.
935 2012-02-20 04:56:17 <luke-jr> re benchmarking startup, strace shows bitcoin-qt flooding with time syscalls
936 2012-02-20 04:57:32 <zordilorp> Diablo-D3: is that bad
937 2012-02-20 04:57:39 <XDS2010_> luke-jr: so how does that work , you sync my wallet file on your end in a sep. profile basically ?
938 2012-02-20 04:57:41 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: indeed, though that syscall is ~instant. Would be good to figure out why it's doing it and though.
939 2012-02-20 04:57:52 <luke-jr> XDS2010_: basically
940 2012-02-20 04:58:04 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: afaik, aren't syscalls time consuming in general?
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942 2012-02-20 04:58:09 <luke-jr> ie, the context switching stuff
943 2012-02-20 04:58:16 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: gettimeofday is special IIRC
944 2012-02-20 04:58:24 <luke-jr> it's not gettimeofday, it's time :P
945 2012-02-20 04:58:44 <Diablo-D3> zordilorp: meh, its not bad
946 2012-02-20 04:58:48 <Diablo-D3> but I have to calculate it myself
947 2012-02-20 04:59:01 <XDS2010_> well thanks for doing this , i really appreciate it!
948 2012-02-20 04:59:08 <zordilorp> good to take into account the intraday moves
949 2012-02-20 05:00:45 <XDS2010_> really happy i found this channel
950 2012-02-20 05:00:52 <XDS2010_> you guys are very helpful
951 2012-02-20 05:00:58 <Diablo-D3> zordilorp: Im not
952 2012-02-20 05:01:02 <Diablo-D3> my predictinator is going to be daily
953 2012-02-20 05:01:08 <Diablo-D3> there isnt enough volume to give a fuck otherwise
954 2012-02-20 05:02:58 <XDS2010_> so what caused the crash a few months back?
955 2012-02-20 05:03:12 <XDS2010_> was it the hole fake btc thing ?
956 2012-02-20 05:03:47 <Diablo-D3> XDS2010_: stupidity caused it
957 2012-02-20 05:03:59 <XDS2010_> Diablo ?
958 2012-02-20 05:03:59 <Diablo-D3> this is when you let people trade.
959 2012-02-20 05:04:06 <Diablo-D3> it shouldnt be allowed
960 2012-02-20 05:04:16 <Diablo-D3> OH MY HUMAN EMOTIONS, I MUST TRADE BECAUSE THEY TELL ME TO
961 2012-02-20 05:04:32 <Diablo-D3> ANGER, SADNESS, HAPPYNESS, BUY SELL BUY SELL BUY SELL BUY SELL
962 2012-02-20 05:04:43 <luke-jr> XDS2010_: I don't see any transactions in your wallet.dat at all; I've sent it on to gmaxwell to confirm
963 2012-02-20 05:04:50 <Diablo-D3> MY WALLET, IT IS SO THIN
964 2012-02-20 05:04:55 <Diablo-D3> OH MY HUMAN EMOTIONS, I MUST TRADE BECAUSE THEY TELL ME TO
965 2012-02-20 05:05:03 * Diablo-D3 bangs on a bongo drum
966 2012-02-20 05:05:12 <zordilorp> well if markets are fractal, there should be the same opportunities to profit at any time scale
967 2012-02-20 05:05:21 <XDS2010_> luke-jr: must be a mistake
968 2012-02-20 05:05:34 <Diablo-D3> zordilorp: exactly
969 2012-02-20 05:05:35 <Diablo-D3> thus
970 2012-02-20 05:05:38 <Diablo-D3> THE PREDICITNATOR
971 2012-02-20 05:06:34 <XDS2010_> luke-jr: someone just sent me funds a few days ago
972 2012-02-20 05:06:40 <luke-jr> XDS2010_: to what address?
973 2012-02-20 05:07:07 * zordilorp rushes to get colocation at tibanne to be closer to gox's network
974 2012-02-20 05:07:15 <XDS2010_> the one ending in ...io
975 2012-02-20 05:07:16 <luke-jr> â¦
976 2012-02-20 05:07:34 <luke-jr> XDS2010_: the whole thing, please
977 2012-02-20 05:07:53 <josephcp> if you're paranoid you can /msg luke-jr
978 2012-02-20 05:08:05 <zordilorp> gox should run it like an ecn. give rebates to trading bots that add liquidity to the market
979 2012-02-20 05:08:39 <josephcp> offering rebates means you'll have HFT
980 2012-02-20 05:08:54 <josephcp> having HFT means you'll have orderspam
981 2012-02-20 05:09:02 <josephcp> pretty sure mtgox wouldn't be able to handle the volume
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983 2012-02-20 05:11:04 <phantomcircuit> zordilorp, :)
984 2012-02-20 05:11:17 <phantomcircuit> josephcp, i know for a fact that they cannot
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986 2012-02-20 05:14:10 <josephcp> yeah i wouldn't be surprised if there was actual quote stuffing on mtgox as is right now during big moves
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988 2012-02-20 05:16:16 <phantomcircuit> josephcp, 99% sure there is
989 2012-02-20 05:16:37 <phantomcircuit> ps please do not tell the plebs what quote stuffing is
990 2012-02-20 05:17:19 pingdrive has joined
991 2012-02-20 05:19:24 <hgi7777> A tactic of quickly entering and withdrawing large orders in an attempt to flood the market with quotes that competitors have to process, thus causing them to lose their competitive edge in high frequency trading. This tactic is made possible by high-frequency trading programs that can execute market actions with incredible speed. Only market makers and other large players in the market are capable of executing these tactics, sin
992 2012-02-20 05:19:45 <hgi7777> exchange in order to be effective.
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1003 2012-02-20 05:46:40 <Guest5794> running 5.2 on mac, getting feb20 mesg what do?
1004 2012-02-20 05:46:56 <luke-jr> nothing
1005 2012-02-20 05:47:17 <Guest5794> oh its connecting now.
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1009 2012-02-20 06:03:54 <Bridgebrain> Ello ello
1010 2012-02-20 06:04:40 <Bridgebrain> I'm having trouble with wallets connection. Is it related to the feb 20'th shift?
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1013 2012-02-20 06:11:04 <XDS2010_> much thanks to luke for the assist!
1014 2012-02-20 06:11:18 <XDS2010_> im going to bed! cox sucks!
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1016 2012-02-20 06:11:24 <XDS2010_> gnight :)
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1054 2012-02-20 08:54:28 <word> luke-jr: this is my idea for where to put the signmessage stuff: http://i.imgur.com/cvGzT.png have it pop down under the label/address
1055 2012-02-20 08:54:46 <word> it needs a 'cancel' button to close it down but you get the idea
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1064 2012-02-20 09:09:24 <finway> When will the alert go away?
1065 2012-02-20 09:10:17 <finway> ;;bc,price
1066 2012-02-20 09:10:17 <gribble> Next Price Estimate: 5.255952 | Next Price In About 2 days, 19 hours, 52 minutes, and 54 seconds
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1103 2012-02-20 10:21:17 <film2240> I heard that on the 20th Feb that some Bitcoin clients may have trouble connecting.What's that all about? Also Multibit client has this issue whereas Bitcoin 0.52 (official) client doesn't have this issue.
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1105 2012-02-20 10:21:38 <[Tycho]> It's about 0.2 clients, AFAIR.
1106 2012-02-20 10:21:55 <conman> that many?
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1108 2012-02-20 10:22:07 <conman> oh that wasn't a number, that was a description lol
1109 2012-02-20 10:22:16 <[Tycho]> Version :)
1110 2012-02-20 10:22:26 <conman> yeah sorry had my brain switched off
1111 2012-02-20 10:22:49 <conman> comes from staring at opencl code for extended periods
1112 2012-02-20 10:23:04 <[Tycho]> What are you doing with it ?
1113 2012-02-20 10:23:12 <Diablo-D3> conman: "0.2 clients" as an amount
1114 2012-02-20 10:23:15 * Diablo-D3 smacks conman
1115 2012-02-20 10:23:19 <conman> lol shut up Diablo-D3
1116 2012-02-20 10:23:37 <conman> [Tycho], fiddling with it as always, trying to find some more hashes
1117 2012-02-20 10:23:39 <Diablo-D3> WOW WE CANT EVEN FIND A WHOLE CLIENT THAT WAS BROKEN
1118 2012-02-20 10:23:40 <film2240> That explains why the Bitcoin 0.52 client continues to work but non-official clients may have trouble.Question is what version of the Bitcoin protocol does Multibit use (the latest version)?
1119 2012-02-20 10:24:02 <Diablo-D3> EXCUSE ME WHILE I HAVE TWO AND A HALF BATHS TO SHARE WITH MY TWO AND A HALF CHILDREN AND MY ONE POINT THREE WIVES
1120 2012-02-20 10:24:02 <conman> Diablo-D3, though that still may be descriptive of how many people are affected by it
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1122 2012-02-20 10:24:24 <Diablo-D3> I wonder how many alt chains ceased to exist
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1124 2012-02-20 10:24:44 <Diablo-D3> >fake BNC
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1127 2012-02-20 10:24:57 <Diablo-D3> >as opposed to real SSH
1128 2012-02-20 10:25:06 <spawn-> he purchased bnc to me bro Diablo-D3 :)
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1137 2012-02-20 10:26:04 <film2240> I think Multibit is the first client that's having trouble.I'm not sure if it's related to the feb 20th change in the protocol.
1138 2012-02-20 10:26:27 <Diablo-D3> seriously, cant stop ssh
1139 2012-02-20 10:26:47 <film2240> Got to move my BTC out of Multibit into the official Bitcoin client.As that client works
1140 2012-02-20 10:27:01 <zordilorp> what happened
1141 2012-02-20 10:27:10 <conman> [Tycho], I'm the cgminer maintainer
1142 2012-02-20 10:27:31 <conman> just fiddling
1143 2012-02-20 10:27:33 <Diablo-D3> zordilorp: about 9000 years ago satoshi set into stone that a checksum was going to be enforced
1144 2012-02-20 10:27:35 <[Tycho]> conman: are you sure ? I think his nickname was different.
1145 2012-02-20 10:27:41 conman is now known as ckolivas
1146 2012-02-20 10:27:43 <Diablo-D3> zordilorp: all clients before 0.2.9 no longer work
1147 2012-02-20 10:27:43 <ckolivas> that better?
1148 2012-02-20 10:27:48 <[Tycho]> Yes, something like that.
1149 2012-02-20 10:27:49 <zordilorp> ahh i c
1150 2012-02-20 10:27:52 <Diablo-D3> [Tycho]: yes, thats the real con
1151 2012-02-20 10:27:55 ckolivas is now known as conman
1152 2012-02-20 10:28:23 <conman> yes Diablo-D3 and I have trolled each other for half a decade or more
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1154 2012-02-20 10:28:54 <Diablo-D3> BFS, best troll ever
1155 2012-02-20 10:28:59 <conman> hehe
1156 2012-02-20 10:29:35 * Diablo-D3 ponders
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1158 2012-02-20 10:29:44 <Diablo-D3> I need to work on my bitcoin price predictinator
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1160 2012-02-20 10:29:59 <conman> I'm kinda over the kernel again though
1161 2012-02-20 10:30:06 <conman> probably time for another extended break from that
1162 2012-02-20 10:30:26 <film2240> I'm looking for answers about Multibit client.Is this a fault or do I need to reset this client's blockchains?
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1167 2012-02-20 10:30:52 <Diablo-D3> film2240: reseting the chains wont do anything
1168 2012-02-20 10:30:54 <Diablo-D3> the client needs to be fixed
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1170 2012-02-20 10:31:35 <draco49> film2240: I wouldn't be using MultiBit for anything except testing purposes at this point. It's just not mature enough to put much faith into yet.
1171 2012-02-20 10:31:51 <Diablo-D3> boned
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1173 2012-02-20 10:32:06 <film2240> oh.Looks like Multibit has a fault then.Looks like I should have realised that earlier.Gotta get my BTC out of that client into the main Bitcoin client.
1174 2012-02-20 10:32:59 <draco49> Yeah all your multibit coins were transferred to /dev/null
1175 2012-02-20 10:33:15 <draco49> It was that pesky 2/20 bug :p
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1177 2012-02-20 10:33:44 <Diablo-D3> the client just has to be fixed
1178 2012-02-20 10:34:25 <film2240> So that means that my bitcoins are stuck in that client. Oh well,It wasn't that much thankfully that was lost anyway.
1179 2012-02-20 10:34:37 <Diablo-D3> or... the client can be fixed.
1180 2012-02-20 10:34:40 <Diablo-D3> its not a difficult fix
1181 2012-02-20 10:34:44 <Diablo-D3> its like a couple lines of code
1182 2012-02-20 10:35:27 <Diablo-D3> film2240: seriously, if you let those coins get thrown out, I will beat you like a drum
1183 2012-02-20 10:35:52 <Graet> lol
1184 2012-02-20 10:36:01 <Graet> get pics :)
1185 2012-02-20 10:36:16 <film2240> Ok,take it easy Diablo-D3.I just came here for answers about a client issue thats all
1186 2012-02-20 10:36:25 <Diablo-D3> http://bitcoincharts.com/t/trades.csv?symbol=mtgoxUSD&start=0
1187 2012-02-20 10:36:29 <Diablo-D3> watch your browser self destruct.
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1191 2012-02-20 10:37:29 <[Tycho]> film2240: may be you can export your private keys from that client ?
1192 2012-02-20 10:38:08 <film2240> I'd like to know how.Once I move my BTc form that client,I'm not using that Multibit client again until its fixed.
1193 2012-02-20 10:38:40 <Diablo-D3> btw, thats 73 goddamned megs
1194 2012-02-20 10:40:30 <film2240> Just moved its wallet file to the main Bitcoin client.Renamed it to wallet.dat from multibit.wallet like before.Loaded the official client and it crashed.
1195 2012-02-20 10:41:01 <Diablo-D3> dont do that.
1196 2012-02-20 10:41:17 <[Tycho]> That's not how it's done.
1197 2012-02-20 10:42:07 <film2240> Well to be fair,I've never had to do it on a mac before or anywhere.Anyways resetting to how things were before now since that won't work
1198 2012-02-20 10:50:09 <film2240> Well looks like I'll have to wait for the multibit developer to fix the client as it refuses to send my BTC via the network and the wallet rename thing doesn't work at all.I only chose that multibit client because it made setting up shop much easier for me like selling things and accepting donations from my blog. I liked the ease of use on a mac.
1199 2012-02-20 10:51:54 <[Tycho]> film2240: using official bitcoin client on a mac is exactly as easy.
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1201 2012-02-20 10:52:14 <[Tycho]> You'll only have to wait for initial download.
1202 2012-02-20 10:52:25 <film2240> Ok ok,It's just a matter of personal preference geez
1203 2012-02-20 10:53:23 <film2240> .thing with the officla client on mac is that I have to click into a menu (click recieve first) to see what's comning in whereas Multibit gave me instant access to that info from the moment it loads.ok.
1204 2012-02-20 10:53:32 <film2240> *official
1205 2012-02-20 10:54:31 <[Tycho]> Hmm, I don't think you need to click anything to receive funds.
1206 2012-02-20 10:54:43 <[Tycho]> I hope you are using 0.4 for mac ?
1207 2012-02-20 10:55:33 <film2240> The initial download takes a lot longer on the officla that it ever did with Multibit (as it's been condensed somehow.I'm using 0.52 for mac I think. I'm talking about access of info not the actual recieving of funds Tycho of the 2 clients.
1208 2012-02-20 10:55:34 <draco49> You only NEED to click on Recieve Coins once to generate your initial address.
1209 2012-02-20 10:55:49 <draco49> using the bitcoind/QT client
1210 2012-02-20 10:56:07 <[Tycho]> In 0.4 you can just click the "New..." button to create a new address.
1211 2012-02-20 10:56:13 <draco49> MultiBit doesn't download the entire blockchain
1212 2012-02-20 10:56:34 <film2240> So that's why it's so fast drac on multiit
1213 2012-02-20 10:56:36 <film2240> *multibit
1214 2012-02-20 10:56:40 <conman> sigh another round of potential optimisations that only made things worse
1215 2012-02-20 10:56:46 <draco49> It's maintained on their server.
1216 2012-02-20 10:56:50 <film2240> oh
1217 2012-02-20 10:57:17 <draco49> Yes... Electrum does it as well.
1218 2012-02-20 10:57:36 <film2240> Electrum,is that another Bitcoin client?
1219 2012-02-20 10:58:01 <conman> Diablo-D3, seems that 898.1 SDK is windows 64 bit only when installed with their 12.2 driver
1220 2012-02-20 10:58:10 <conman> the one that fixes your bug
1221 2012-02-20 10:58:17 <draco49> Yes... but it too is still in earl beta so you should only uing with small amounts for testing. IMO
1222 2012-02-20 10:58:18 <conman> that needed -na
1223 2012-02-20 10:58:35 <Diablo-D3> conman: yes linux doesnt have 12.2 yet.
1224 2012-02-20 10:58:39 <conman> I'm guessing there will be a 12.2 driver for linux soon
1225 2012-02-20 10:58:49 <Diablo-D3> yes, soon
1226 2012-02-20 10:58:53 <Diablo-D3> its almost the end of feb
1227 2012-02-20 10:59:02 <conman> yeah so only a month late
1228 2012-02-20 10:59:04 <conman> fuck you amd
1229 2012-02-20 10:59:13 <draco49> LOL
1230 2012-02-20 10:59:16 <Diablo-D3> btw, I heard it makes vliw5 faster
1231 2012-02-20 10:59:23 <conman> yeah I hear that
1232 2012-02-20 10:59:25 <Diablo-D3> so like, theres my missing mhashes.
1233 2012-02-20 10:59:26 <conman> but depends
1234 2012-02-20 10:59:43 <Diablo-D3> if it can turn 393 into 398
1235 2012-02-20 10:59:44 <Diablo-D3> then I win
1236 2012-02-20 10:59:46 <Diablo-D3> forever
1237 2012-02-20 11:00:14 <film2240> I would like to ger more hashes from my HD6950.Maybe this driver can boost that.
1238 2012-02-20 11:00:14 <conman> you just go on believing that my friend... we have drugs for that sort of problem
1239 2012-02-20 11:00:41 <Diablo-D3> conman: hey man, I never thought I'd even get this close to beating 2.6
1240 2012-02-20 11:00:49 <Diablo-D3> being 1% slower is winning in my book
1241 2012-02-20 11:00:54 <Diablo-D3> its already doing the impossible
1242 2012-02-20 11:00:59 <conman> Diablo-D3, ah yes but you underestimate the amd fail; 2.7 will likely break everything all over again
1243 2012-02-20 11:01:40 <Diablo-D3> yes, but you also underestimate what I did
1244 2012-02-20 11:01:45 <Diablo-D3> I wrote an opencl compiler in perl
1245 2012-02-20 11:01:53 <Diablo-D3> you input opencl, and it outputs opencl.
1246 2012-02-20 11:01:57 <film2240> ok.so I'm guessing that card won't be boosted by the driver then conman
1247 2012-02-20 11:02:10 <Diablo-D3> film2240: oh get this
1248 2012-02-20 11:02:18 <film2240> ok
1249 2012-02-20 11:02:26 <conman> film2240, no
1250 2012-02-20 11:02:30 <Diablo-D3> people are telling me my new kernel is faster on 2.6 vs my old one on 2.5
1251 2012-02-20 11:02:34 <Diablo-D3> which is nuts
1252 2012-02-20 11:04:00 <film2240> ok
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1276 2012-02-20 11:57:06 <Interzone> hey people
1277 2012-02-20 11:57:34 <phma> hi
1278 2012-02-20 11:58:39 <phma> I'm having trouble compiling bitcoin on DragonFly. Is this the right place to ask?
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1280 2012-02-20 12:00:10 <sipa> phma: what is the problem?
1281 2012-02-20 12:03:26 <sipa> recently someone mentioned a few necessary changes for another BSD flavor
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1284 2012-02-20 12:07:14 <phma> The qt files are in /usr/pkg/qt4/bin and such. I had to find qmake in there; it's not in the usual PATH.
1285 2012-02-20 12:07:53 <phma> Then it said:
1286 2012-02-20 12:08:02 <phma> /bin/rcc: not found
1287 2012-02-20 12:08:04 <phma> /bin/uic: not found
1288 2012-02-20 12:08:38 <phma> The two commands are in /usr/pkg/qt4/bin/, not /bin, which is where the operating
1289 2012-02-20 12:08:48 <phma> system's world binaries are.
1290 2012-02-20 12:08:51 <sipa> [Tycho]: because it sounds like an excuse, not a reason
1291 2012-02-20 12:09:26 <sipa> anyway, i don't wish to discuss it again
1292 2012-02-20 12:09:44 <phma> So I made symlinks and qmake succeeded, but make gave me lots of errors.
1293 2012-02-20 12:10:11 <sipa> ow, wrong channel
1294 2012-02-20 12:10:20 <conman> lol
1295 2012-02-20 12:10:35 <phma> Here's the first:
1296 2012-02-20 12:10:40 <phma> In file included from src/qt/bitcoin.cpp:4:
1297 2012-02-20 12:10:42 <phma> src/qt/bitcoingui.h:4:23: error: QMainWindow: No such file or directory
1298 2012-02-20 12:11:40 <phma> it's here:
1299 2012-02-20 12:11:55 <phma> :/usr/pkg/qt4/include/QtGui/QMainWindow
1300 2012-02-20 12:12:30 <sipa> i'm afraid i know too little about BSD to help you now
1301 2012-02-20 12:13:18 <phma> do you know who does?
1302 2012-02-20 12:13:52 <phma> it looks like just a path issue
1303 2012-02-20 12:14:43 <sipa> yes, sounds like you need just a -I of that directory
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1305 2012-02-20 12:15:23 <phma> I know nothing about qmake, so I don't even know what file to edit
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1308 2012-02-20 12:16:10 <anos> i dont get bitcoins when somebody sends me ...
1309 2012-02-20 12:16:17 <sipa> wumpus: can you help phma?
1310 2012-02-20 12:18:28 <phma> I have to go to the kitchen
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1312 2012-02-20 12:25:53 <kinlo> anos: which version of bitcoin client do you have?
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1318 2012-02-20 12:52:02 <phma> I'm back
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1322 2012-02-20 13:05:57 <phma> wumpus: you there?
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1357 2012-02-20 15:10:52 <smickles> any particular reason why a 0.5.2 installation is out of sync by 14 hrs?
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1359 2012-02-20 15:11:09 <luke-jr> smickles: system clock wrong?
1360 2012-02-20 15:11:17 <smickles> doesn't look like it
1361 2012-02-20 15:11:27 <sipa> luke-jr: his clients receives a longer invalid chain
1362 2012-02-20 15:11:30 <sipa> *client
1363 2012-02-20 15:11:38 <sipa> see the screenshot in #bitcoin
1364 2012-02-20 15:11:39 <luke-jr> smickles: build 0.5.3rc2 ?
1365 2012-02-20 15:11:48 <sipa> that shouldn't happen, by the way
1366 2012-02-20 15:11:55 <sipa> is it possible your database is corrupted?
1367 2012-02-20 15:12:02 <sipa> run bitcoin with -checkblocks
1368 2012-02-20 15:12:10 <smickles> m'kay
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1370 2012-02-20 15:12:29 <luke-jr> sipa: I don't see anything useful in that screenshot period
1371 2012-02-20 15:12:39 <luke-jr> sipa: 14 hrs ~= midnight UTC
1372 2012-02-20 15:13:02 <sipa> luke-jr: the warning at the bottom
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1375 2012-02-20 15:17:13 <luke-jr> sipa: oh, you mean subjectively-invalid
1376 2012-02-20 15:19:58 <sipa> luke-jr: no, really invalid
1377 2012-02-20 15:20:04 <luke-jr> â¦
1378 2012-02-20 15:20:11 <sipa> as in, does not pass ConnectBlock()
1379 2012-02-20 15:20:14 <luke-jr> that message just means there's a subjectivly-invalid long chain
1380 2012-02-20 15:20:25 <luke-jr> ie, the real valid chain appears invalid to his client
1381 2012-02-20 15:20:56 <sipa> Yes, probably, but we don't know that's the real chain.
1382 2012-02-20 15:21:03 <sipa> In most likelyhood it is, of course.
1383 2012-02-20 15:21:20 <smickles> ok, restarted with the -checkblocks argument, i don't see any difference
1384 2012-02-20 15:21:26 <sipa> I misunderstood what you meant by "subjectively"
1385 2012-02-20 15:22:00 <draco49_away> Odd... I'm running the same ver and it's running just fine...
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1387 2012-02-20 15:22:48 <draco49> perhaps your blockchain file is corrupt
1388 2012-02-20 15:23:38 <luke-jr> hmm
1389 2012-02-20 15:23:42 <luke-jr> odd, my bitcoin-qt segfaulted :x
1390 2012-02-20 15:24:11 <smickles> any suggestion on a course of action for me?
1391 2012-02-20 15:24:34 <sipa> luke-jr: which version were you running?
1392 2012-02-20 15:24:49 <sipa> smickles: can you publish your debug.log somehwew?
1393 2012-02-20 15:24:52 <sipa> somewhere?
1394 2012-02-20 15:25:09 <draco49> I would back up the blk0001.dat, and resync the entire chain
1395 2012-02-20 15:25:12 <smickles> sure
1396 2012-02-20 15:25:55 <smickles> ^to sipa
1397 2012-02-20 15:26:07 <smickles> i'd prefer to avoid a rescan if possible
1398 2012-02-20 15:26:30 <draco49> <smickles> I can understand that
1399 2012-02-20 15:27:01 <sipa> smickles: a rescan only takes a few seconds, but it won't help you here
1400 2012-02-20 15:27:19 <draco49> <smickles> but if it was running fine and there have been no changes on your end, a corrupt bockchain is the most likely cause
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1403 2012-02-20 15:29:49 <smickles> ok, cropping debug.log a bit...
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1410 2012-02-20 15:38:05 <smickles> hmm, is there really nothin in there i should be worried about posting? i mean, i don't care if people know which address are mine
1411 2012-02-20 15:38:20 <smickles> er tx id
1412 2012-02-20 15:39:40 <draco49> there shouldn't be anything identifying in the log except transactions
1413 2012-02-20 15:41:41 <smickles> http://pastebin.com/mabZUy3P
1414 2012-02-20 15:41:57 <smickles> well, that looks like all info sins the problem began occurring
1415 2012-02-20 15:42:13 <smickles> *since
1416 2012-02-20 15:42:40 <sipa> smickles: it may allow people to identify your transactions
1417 2012-02-20 15:42:48 <sipa> or your IP address
1418 2012-02-20 15:42:53 <sipa> but not your private keys
1419 2012-02-20 15:42:57 <draco49> looks like your problems are starting on line 325
1420 2012-02-20 15:43:36 <draco49> I'd say your blockchain is fucked
1421 2012-02-20 15:43:48 <sipa> there's nothing unusual in there
1422 2012-02-20 15:43:55 <sipa> draco49: what is wrong on line 325?
1423 2012-02-20 15:44:38 <draco49> 325 is the first tx hash that springs a connect error... on line 330
1424 2012-02-20 15:45:04 <draco49> connect errors continue from there
1425 2012-02-20 15:46:04 <sipa> that's perfectly normal if his block chain isn't up to date
1426 2012-02-20 15:46:42 <draco49> Except that it's not catching up... those tx errors are never resolved
1427 2012-02-20 15:48:16 <sipa> i'd like to see what happens in your log when a new block is received
1428 2012-02-20 15:48:18 <sipa> ;;bc,blocks
1429 2012-02-20 15:48:18 <gribble> 113094
1430 2012-02-20 15:48:38 <sipa> can you wait until that numbers jumps to 113095, and then give a snapshot of what happens?
1431 2012-02-20 15:48:56 <smickles> sipa: alright, we'll wait and see
1432 2012-02-20 15:49:25 <sipa> I'm pretty sure it's a corrupt block chain file, but some information may be helpful to solve the issue more automatically
1433 2012-02-20 15:49:38 <draco49> ^^
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1436 2012-02-20 15:50:34 <smickles> ofc i'd like to be a guinea pig
1437 2012-02-20 15:50:38 <smickles> ;)
1438 2012-02-20 15:50:50 <draco49> back up your blk0001.dat first :)
1439 2012-02-20 15:51:04 <smickles> ;;bc,blocks
1440 2012-02-20 15:51:05 <gribble> 116212
1441 2012-02-20 15:51:17 <smickles> hmm, that was unexpected
1442 2012-02-20 15:51:32 <Diablo-D3> wtf?
1443 2012-02-20 15:51:53 <Diablo-D3> its 116767
1444 2012-02-20 15:52:01 <Diablo-D3> er
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1446 2012-02-20 15:52:02 <Diablo-D3> 167676
1447 2012-02-20 15:52:04 <Diablo-D3> LOL
1448 2012-02-20 15:52:14 <draco49> what Diablo-D3 said
1449 2012-02-20 15:52:14 <Diablo-D3> 16 76 76
1450 2012-02-20 15:52:24 <Diablo-D3> 167676
1451 2012-02-20 15:52:28 <Diablo-D3> 676767676767676767676767
1452 2012-02-20 15:52:35 <Diablo-D3> okay Im done now
1453 2012-02-20 15:52:38 <draco49> I was born in 76!
1454 2012-02-20 15:53:02 <draco49> OMG the Myans got it wrong... it's not 12/21/2012 .. its 02/20/2012!!!
1455 2012-02-20 15:53:11 <smickles> lol
1456 2012-02-20 15:54:04 <luke-jr> â¦
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1458 2012-02-20 15:54:47 <smickles> luke-jr: what? you don't believe in that shit?
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1460 2012-02-20 15:55:20 <jrmithdobbs> uh oh
1461 2012-02-20 15:55:40 * smickles keeds
1462 2012-02-20 15:56:02 <bobke> _
1463 2012-02-20 15:56:02 <bobke> \_
1464 2012-02-20 15:56:02 <bobke> \_
1465 2012-02-20 15:56:03 <bobke> \
1466 2012-02-20 15:56:05 <bobke> []
1467 2012-02-20 15:56:07 <draco49> The Myans knew about the BIP16/17 debacle way before Bitcoin was even a concept!
1468 2012-02-20 15:56:10 <bobke> I am the mighty kukulkan
1469 2012-02-20 15:56:25 <smickles> draco49: nice one :D
1470 2012-02-20 15:56:44 <draco49> Sorry... I jut woke up and am still a little loopy from sleep :)
1471 2012-02-20 15:57:07 <gmaxwell> smickles: I missed it if anyone askedâ but your client shows it has connections, right?
1472 2012-02-20 15:57:15 * smickles attempts positive thoughts, c'mon, some lucky cpu solo miner... get a block
1473 2012-02-20 15:57:15 <bobke> for those who didn't get it http://www.world-mysteries.com/chichenItza_equinox2.jpg
1474 2012-02-20 15:57:42 <smickles> gmaxwell: noone asked, but i have connection ;)
1475 2012-02-20 15:57:48 <smickles> *connections
1476 2012-02-20 15:57:56 <draco49> and BTW bobke, the Myan god you're referring to is Quatzequatel
1477 2012-02-20 15:58:01 <bobke> no
1478 2012-02-20 15:58:06 <bobke> that is the aztec equivalent
1479 2012-02-20 15:58:20 <draco49> no, quatzequatel is a Myan god..
1480 2012-02-20 15:58:24 <smickles> new block!
1481 2012-02-20 15:58:41 <bobke> you could be right :)
1482 2012-02-20 15:58:50 <draco49> .g quatzequatel
1483 2012-02-20 15:58:59 <draco49> dammit
1484 2012-02-20 15:59:52 <sipa> gmaxwell: my guess: his block chain file has the actual best chain stored as orphans, because some glitch caused one block to be deemed invalid
1485 2012-02-20 15:59:56 <draco49> Actually we're both right... quatzequatel was also known as Kukulkan
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1487 2012-02-20 16:00:10 <sipa> all requests his client makes to download new blocks fail, as he already has them
1488 2012-02-20 16:00:12 <bobke> yeah much blurring there
1489 2012-02-20 16:00:50 <gmaxwell> sipa: K, so why isn't checkblocks figuring it out?
1490 2012-02-20 16:00:59 <smickles> what's a new block look like in the debug file?
1491 2012-02-20 16:01:24 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: maybe blkindex is hosed?
1492 2012-02-20 16:01:38 <sipa> gmaxwell: checkblocks doesn't run if there is no new block
1493 2012-02-20 16:01:45 <bobke> In the Postclassic period (900 â 1519 AD) the worship of the feathered serpent deity was based in the primary Mexican religious center of Cholula. It is in this period that the deity is known to have been named "Quetzalcoatl" by his Nahua followers. In the Maya area he was approximately equivalent to Kukulcan and Gukumatz
1494 2012-02-20 16:02:31 <bobke> Among the Aztecs, whose beliefs are the best-documented in the historical sources, Quetzalcoatl was related to gods of the wind, of Venus, of the dawn, of merchants and of arts, crafts and knowledge. He was also the patron god of the Aztec priesthood, of learning and knowledge
1495 2012-02-20 16:02:37 <bobke> /offtopic
1496 2012-02-20 16:02:52 <gmaxwell> sipa: hm. It runs on startup, and it would have stripped him back to the broken point.. but I suspect he won't actually download the broken block again?
1497 2012-02-20 16:03:35 <gmaxwell> (e.g. I don't think it removes blocks from the index when they fail the test, it only moves best back)
1498 2012-02-20 16:03:59 <smickles> ah well, here's a one line overlap from the previous file http://pastebin.com/WC5TyGmR
1499 2012-02-20 16:05:58 <luke-jr> sipa: next-test
1500 2012-02-20 16:06:13 <sipa> gmaxwell: you can see "block ...... have" in the log file, meaning he received an inv from a peer about the best chain, but already has the block
1501 2012-02-20 16:06:20 <sipa> luke-jr: core dump? gdb? valgrind?
1502 2012-02-20 16:06:38 <luke-jr> sipa: wasn't expecting it, so nothing
1503 2012-02-20 16:06:53 <luke-jr> actually
1504 2012-02-20 16:06:56 <luke-jr> I do have a core file O.o
1505 2012-02-20 16:07:05 <luke-jr> BFD: Warning: /home/luke-jr/Projects/Education/Tonal/BitCoin/bitcoin/core is truncated: expected core file size >= 172244992, found: 1122304.
1506 2012-02-20 16:07:06 <luke-jr> meh
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1508 2012-02-20 16:09:25 <zordilorp> brocore
1509 2012-02-20 16:11:18 <jrmithdobbs> I object to BitCoin/ living under Tonal/ in that heirarchy.
1510 2012-02-20 16:11:51 <zordilorp> tonal.com:/opt/tonal/plugins/tonalcoin/bitconi
1511 2012-02-20 16:12:01 <smickles> ok, well if there are no more tests, probes, turn head and cough... the likely fix is what now?
1512 2012-02-20 16:12:02 <Diablo-D3> >tonal
1513 2012-02-20 16:12:07 <Diablo-D3> bwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
1514 2012-02-20 16:12:16 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: that's your problem
1515 2012-02-20 16:12:33 <zordilorp> tonal is cool
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1517 2012-02-20 16:13:24 <draco49> smickles: back up your wallet, cp your blk0001.dat and blkindex.dat to /dev/null and relaunch
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1520 2012-02-20 16:14:39 <smickles> cp?
1521 2012-02-20 16:14:46 <smickles> is that going to do anything?
1522 2012-02-20 16:14:59 <draco49> cp = copy
1523 2012-02-20 16:15:08 <draco49> it will zero out those files
1524 2012-02-20 16:15:21 <draco49> you could also just delete them
1525 2012-02-20 16:15:36 <draco49> but personally I love /dev/null
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1527 2012-02-20 16:15:57 <jrmithdobbs> you love overwriting it because you don't understand how to use it? or what?
1528 2012-02-20 16:16:05 <luke-jr> draco49: um no
1529 2012-02-20 16:16:15 <luke-jr> draco49: that will do nothing at all
1530 2012-02-20 16:16:18 <smickles> am i just dense or would cp to /dev/null do practically nothing?
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1532 2012-02-20 16:16:20 <sipa> writing to /dev/null does exactly nothing
1533 2012-02-20 16:16:28 <bobke> it would do nothing
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1535 2012-02-20 16:16:35 <jrmithdobbs> no it would do something
1536 2012-02-20 16:16:40 <smickles> draco49: you meant mv, right?
1537 2012-02-20 16:16:41 <bobke> mv however
1538 2012-02-20 16:16:42 <draco49> my bad other way around
1539 2012-02-20 16:16:51 <bobke> just rm -fr /
1540 2012-02-20 16:16:57 <luke-jr> â¦
1541 2012-02-20 16:17:00 <smickles> bobke: right on that
1542 2012-02-20 16:17:04 <bobke> sry, don't lol
1543 2012-02-20 16:17:09 <smickles> ;)
1544 2012-02-20 16:17:09 <luke-jr> then blame the french
1545 2012-02-20 16:17:26 <luke-jr> luke-jr@ishibashi ~ $ rm -fr /
1546 2012-02-20 16:17:28 <luke-jr> /bin/rm: it is dangerous to operate recursively on `/'
1547 2012-02-20 16:17:29 <luke-jr> /bin/rm: use --no-preserve-root to override this failsafe
1548 2012-02-20 16:17:34 <bobke> you could use cp however, cp /dev/zero myfile
1549 2012-02-20 16:17:51 <bobke> wow didn't know that
1550 2012-02-20 16:18:05 <jrmithdobbs> bobke: i don't think you understand the consequences of doing that
1551 2012-02-20 16:18:11 <jrmithdobbs> it does not do what you think
1552 2012-02-20 16:18:15 <bobke> bloat disk :)
1553 2012-02-20 16:18:46 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: it actually does
1554 2012-02-20 16:18:46 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: that's horrible, who broke your userland?
1555 2012-02-20 16:18:55 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: standard GNU for years
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1558 2012-02-20 16:22:31 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: it actually does what? it'll create a huge file full of zeros until it fills up the filesystem
1559 2012-02-20 16:23:09 <luke-jr> sipa: crashed again: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/554012/
1560 2012-02-20 16:23:16 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: no, it's /dev/null, not /dev/zero
1561 2012-02-20 16:23:41 <luke-jr> sipa: addrman-related it seems
1562 2012-02-20 16:23:53 <enquirer> try /dev/il
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1565 2012-02-20 16:24:50 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: ha, my bad
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1568 2012-02-20 16:28:29 <gmaxwell> doh https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=64625.msg759081#msg759081
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1570 2012-02-20 16:29:34 <jrmithdobbs> i love watching ext3 shit all over itself
1571 2012-02-20 16:29:43 <jrmithdobbs> worst. fs. ever.
1572 2012-02-20 16:32:21 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: The funny thing is, since this was announced 2 years ago, I happily woke up to my node implementation working for the first time ever
1573 2012-02-20 16:32:50 <luke-jr> otoh, #bitcoin-watch needed to be fixed :/
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1577 2012-02-20 16:51:36 <sipa> luke-jr: ok, thanks, that looks very similar to what Gavin had
1578 2012-02-20 16:51:50 <sipa> luke-jr: mind running it under valgrind, since it seems easy for you to reproduce?
1579 2012-02-20 16:52:06 <sipa> i'll start a next-test build myself too
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1585 2012-02-20 16:56:57 <luke-jr> sipa: I don't know how to build the libs for valgrind :|
1586 2012-02-20 16:57:20 <sipa> don't
1587 2012-02-20 16:57:53 <luke-jr> O.o
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1589 2012-02-20 17:00:10 <luke-jr> sipa: exiting crashed and corrupted my addr.dat :|
1590 2012-02-20 17:04:37 <luke-jr> sipa: it's not even starting in valgrind
1591 2012-02-20 17:05:18 <sipa> define not starting?
1592 2012-02-20 17:05:25 <sipa> expect it to be 50 times slower
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1596 2012-02-20 17:07:47 <luke-jr> sipa: I waited like 10 mins and still no splashscreen
1597 2012-02-20 17:08:18 <sipa> Anything in debug.log?
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1609 2012-02-20 17:19:30 <luke-jr> sipa: dunno, I restarted it normally so I could use it <.<
1610 2012-02-20 17:19:38 <sipa> ok
1611 2012-02-20 17:21:44 <luke-jr> sipa: j/w, but where is advertise spelled with a z? :p
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1615 2012-02-20 17:23:06 <sipa> luke-jr: i'm not native english ;)
1616 2012-02-20 17:23:13 <luke-jr> i c
1617 2012-02-20 17:23:18 <word_> i've been sayin it for years
1618 2012-02-20 17:23:27 <word_> the world would be so much better if there were just more z's in it
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1629 2012-02-20 17:27:12 <copumpkin> when's the feb20 message gonna disappear?
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1632 2012-02-20 17:27:29 <sipa> copumpkin: in two days
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1634 2012-02-20 17:29:19 <splatster> selling $21.36454 MTGOX USD for PPUSD
1635 2012-02-20 17:30:46 <splatster> oops
1636 2012-02-20 17:30:51 <splatster> thought this was -otc
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1639 2012-02-20 17:30:54 <splatster> my bad
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1648 2012-02-20 17:32:03 <luke-jr> fun, master doesn't build -.-
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1653 2012-02-20 17:32:19 * luke-jr defers rebuilding next :/
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1658 2012-02-20 17:32:46 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: nanotube: someone want to ban enquirer? :/
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1668 2012-02-20 17:33:35 <splatster> /kick! /kick! /kick!
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1675 2012-02-20 17:34:19 <luke-jr> tcatm_ OneFixt jgarzik UukGoblin
1676 2012-02-20 17:34:28 <sipa> luke-jr: master doesn't build? what fails?
1677 2012-02-20 17:34:36 <luke-jr> sipa: test
1678 2012-02-20 17:34:46 <luke-jr> bisecting now
1679 2012-02-20 17:35:26 <sipa> luke-jr: my fault
1680 2012-02-20 17:35:51 <sipa> commit 9976cf070fd
1681 2012-02-20 17:36:22 <sipa> no, 38067c18
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1683 2012-02-20 17:39:02 <luke-jr> lol
1684 2012-02-20 17:39:17 <luke-jr> first time I've seen someone stop join-flooding when someone +o s
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1686 2012-02-20 17:40:13 <UukGoblin> hm?
1687 2012-02-20 17:40:43 <UukGoblin> still need that kick? ;-]
1688 2012-02-20 17:40:48 <luke-jr> no, he's gone
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1690 2012-02-20 17:41:26 <sipa> luke-jr: fixed master
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1692 2012-02-20 17:42:12 <luke-jr> sipa: ty
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1696 2012-02-20 17:46:32 <word_> luke-jr: what didnt you like about my sign message thing?
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1698 2012-02-20 17:46:52 <luke-jr> word_: I don't see any reason to have it in the Receive screen
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1701 2012-02-20 17:47:33 <word_> luke-jr: so just the same reason you prefer the tab? What about the popup vs. the inline which would do you like more or no opinion?
1702 2012-02-20 17:47:58 <luke-jr> I think the popup fits better with current UI designs
1703 2012-02-20 17:48:12 <luke-jr> also, having a small message box encourages vague msgs ;)
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1705 2012-02-20 17:49:28 <luke-jr> I'm thinking the norm should be multiline, including full shipping address, products, and prices
1706 2012-02-20 17:50:26 <word_> I like the chrome design philosophy - no popups everything is done in the tabs
1707 2012-02-20 17:51:21 <luke-jr> that's the WM's business
1708 2012-02-20 17:52:01 <word_> what is?
1709 2012-02-20 17:53:02 <sipa> luke-jr: was your bitcoin-qt doing anything special when it segfaulted?
1710 2012-02-20 17:53:08 <sipa> any rpc calls being used, ...
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1713 2012-02-20 17:56:20 <luke-jr> sipa: not afaik
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1715 2012-02-20 17:56:24 <luke-jr> sipa: the 2nd time was at Exit
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1722 2012-02-20 18:02:51 <word_> luke-jr: is there a size limit for the messages?
1723 2012-02-20 18:03:35 <luke-jr> not afaik
1724 2012-02-20 18:03:38 <sipa> ehm... sha256 supports messages up to 2305843009213693943 bytes...
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1726 2012-02-20 18:08:21 <Diablo-D3> sipa: erm
1727 2012-02-20 18:08:38 <Diablo-D3> sipa: that doesnt look like 4gb to me
1728 2012-02-20 18:08:42 <DrHaribo> Thinking about a new getwork extension: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=64400.msg759597#msg759597
1729 2012-02-20 18:08:45 <DrHaribo> Good idea?
1730 2012-02-20 18:08:49 <sipa> Diablo-D3: it isn't
1731 2012-02-20 18:09:02 <Diablo-D3> DrHaribo: Im not even going to click, its not
1732 2012-02-20 18:09:05 <sipa> Diablo-D3: it is 2^64 bits, minus 9 bytes
1733 2012-02-20 18:09:15 <Diablo-D3> uh, why 9?
1734 2012-02-20 18:09:21 <Diablo-D3> and how do you get 2^64?
1735 2012-02-20 18:09:26 <sipa> 1 padding byte, 8 size bytes
1736 2012-02-20 18:09:38 <sipa> and that size is the size of the message in bits
1737 2012-02-20 18:09:44 <Diablo-D3> thats not what I mean
1738 2012-02-20 18:10:03 <Diablo-D3> look at the algo, it hashes size of message, but thats in a 32 bit field
1739 2012-02-20 18:10:13 <sipa> is it?
1740 2012-02-20 18:10:17 <DrHaribo> Diablo-D3: You don't like implementing more extensions? :P
1741 2012-02-20 18:10:28 <Diablo-D3> sha256 is all ints.
1742 2012-02-20 18:10:30 <Diablo-D3> no longs.
1743 2012-02-20 18:10:44 <luke-jr> DrHaribo: Eloipool does something similar via getmemorypool
1744 2012-02-20 18:10:47 <luke-jr> DrHaribo: in a branch
1745 2012-02-20 18:10:53 <sipa> Diablo-D3: the size is 64-bit, nonetheless
1746 2012-02-20 18:10:58 <luke-jr> DrHaribo: that is, miners can use getmemorypool on an Eloipool ;)
1747 2012-02-20 18:11:01 <Diablo-D3> sipa: so wheres the rest of it go?
1748 2012-02-20 18:11:08 <sipa> ?
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1751 2012-02-20 18:11:32 <Diablo-D3> _huh_
1752 2012-02-20 18:11:33 <Diablo-D3> it is 64
1753 2012-02-20 18:11:36 <DrHaribo> luke-jr: Nice :) So you use getmemorypool but add a generate tx from the server?
1754 2012-02-20 18:11:49 <Diablo-D3> I wonder how many sha256 impls do this totally wrong
1755 2012-02-20 18:12:01 <gmaxwell> DrHaribo: people have proposed stuff like this before. Pool ops were not friendly towards it.
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1757 2012-02-20 18:12:16 <Diablo-D3> sipa: and btw, its 64 bits BEFORE preprocessing
1758 2012-02-20 18:12:24 <Diablo-D3> sipa: so the max size really is 4gb
1759 2012-02-20 18:12:26 <gmaxwell> DrHaribo: you can do the split prevention stuff without the coinbase/height.. just remember the prev you've seen and refuse to go backwards.
1760 2012-02-20 18:12:41 <DrHaribo> gmaxwell: Well, I'm a pool op and I would love to have it.
1761 2012-02-20 18:12:54 <Diablo-D3> the actual encoded message would be 4gb + 1 bit + pad to the next block
1762 2012-02-20 18:13:09 <sipa> Diablo-D3: you're right
1763 2012-02-20 18:13:29 <word_> So what you're saying is, I couldn't sign a message containing my porn collection, but I could sign a message containing a few hundred copies of the lord of the rings books
1764 2012-02-20 18:13:30 <Diablo-D3> this leaves a small problem however
1765 2012-02-20 18:13:35 <Diablo-D3> how the fuck do we hash more than 4gb
1766 2012-02-20 18:13:53 <sipa> why would that be a problem?
1767 2012-02-20 18:13:59 <Diablo-D3> oh wait
1768 2012-02-20 18:14:10 <Diablo-D3> 32 is 4 gb
1769 2012-02-20 18:14:48 <Diablo-D3> 64 is 16 million TBs
1770 2012-02-20 18:14:53 <sipa> yes
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1772 2012-02-20 18:15:00 <word_> sounds like a limit to be concerned about to me
1773 2012-02-20 18:15:02 <sipa> but it's 2**64 bits, not bytes
1774 2012-02-20 18:15:10 <Diablo-D3> still, divide that by 8
1775 2012-02-20 18:15:18 <Diablo-D3> 2 million TB
1776 2012-02-20 18:15:48 <luke-jr> DrHaribo: almost.
1777 2012-02-20 18:15:58 <luke-jr> DrHaribo: the problem is validating the result
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1781 2012-02-20 18:16:31 <luke-jr> I want to allow people to add any txns they want and append the coinbase, but I need to be able to check that it's a valid block
1782 2012-02-20 18:16:34 <luke-jr> which means a full node
1783 2012-02-20 18:16:45 <luke-jr> it also means heavy share checking
1784 2012-02-20 18:17:16 <DrHaribo> yeah, that's a lot more work
1785 2012-02-20 18:17:28 <DrHaribo> but just enabling the miner to verify the generate tx, that's much easier
1786 2012-02-20 18:17:41 <DrHaribo> I think it would bring a lot more transparency to pools.
1787 2012-02-20 18:19:07 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: I don't know that you need to validateâ yes, they could give you shares that would be orphaned because they're invalid... but they could just as equally withold solutions.
1788 2012-02-20 18:19:55 <gmaxwell> DrHaribo: Feel free to implement, I'll advocate it. At the same time, it's been pretty much demonstrated that people don't give a damn.
1789 2012-02-20 18:20:12 <gmaxwell> They'll happily mine onf 150% pps thingsâ which you _know_ can't be up to good.
1790 2012-02-20 18:20:17 <gmaxwell> s/onf/on/
1791 2012-02-20 18:21:05 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: but it's more practical to accidentally submit invalid blocks
1792 2012-02-20 18:21:39 <gmaxwell> fair enough, there is miner software written by Diablo-D3 after all. ;)
1793 2012-02-20 18:22:01 <luke-jr> DrHaribo: https://gitorious.org/bitcoin/eloipool/commit/fc22a5a3dee1843336f74d737b283ec3efe41533
1794 2012-02-20 18:22:08 <luke-jr> in case you want to provide a compatible getmemorypool
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1796 2012-02-20 18:25:15 <DrHaribo> After reading a lot of bad python code, I have an allergy :P this actually looks structured though :)
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1799 2012-02-20 18:26:48 <DrHaribo> luke-jr: Is any miner supporting this? Should be possible to make a nice UI and mess with transactions ;)
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1801 2012-02-20 18:27:20 <Diablo-D3> gmaxwell: hurr
1802 2012-02-20 18:29:57 <luke-jr> DrHaribo: not afaik
1803 2012-02-20 18:30:09 <luke-jr> DrHaribo: BitPenny has something close to a proxy
1804 2012-02-20 18:30:15 <luke-jr> but it doesn't use getmemorypool
1805 2012-02-20 18:31:47 <OneFixt> <DrHaribo> but just enabling the miner to verify the generate tx, that's much easier <-- bitpenny enables this
1806 2012-02-20 18:32:02 <OneFixt> as well as local getwork generation
1807 2012-02-20 18:32:55 <DrHaribo> like, mine on your own bitcoind using getmemorypool, and include the generation tx from the server?
1808 2012-02-20 18:33:01 <DrHaribo> or what do you mean with local getwork generation?
1809 2012-02-20 18:33:14 <luke-jr> DrHaribo: adding your own extranonce
1810 2012-02-20 18:34:35 <DrHaribo> Hm yeah, with the eloipool solution.. you allow changing parts of the coinbase? except the merged mining bit etc?
1811 2012-02-20 18:35:11 <DrHaribo> I imagine you must include a part that is unique for each getmemorypool request so noone mines the same data
1812 2012-02-20 18:36:08 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: uint64 nLocalServices = (pblockstore->HasFullBlocks() ? NODE_NETWORK : 0);
1813 2012-02-20 18:36:10 <DrHaribo> OneFixt: How does bitpenny enable verifying generate txs?
1814 2012-02-20 18:36:23 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: pblockstore may be uninitialized in global scope!
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1817 2012-02-20 18:36:44 <luke-jr> DrHaribo: I want to allow appending to it
1818 2012-02-20 18:37:02 <OneFixt> DrHaribo: the bitpennyd client is based on bitcoind
1819 2012-02-20 18:37:12 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: pblockstore is initialized in AppInit, long before it should ever be called...
1820 2012-02-20 18:37:18 <OneFixt> it submits blocks locally
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1822 2012-02-20 18:37:39 <OneFixt> after checking them vs the blockchain, etc.
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1824 2012-02-20 18:39:26 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: that line is from global scope, so called before main
1825 2012-02-20 18:39:40 <BlueMatt> wait, where is that line?
1826 2012-02-20 18:39:57 <luke-jr> net.cpp:45
1827 2012-02-20 18:39:58 <phantomcircuit> oh god VESA mode
1828 2012-02-20 18:39:59 <BlueMatt> (Im really tired...)
1829 2012-02-20 18:40:02 <phantomcircuit> fffffffuuuuuuuuuuu
1830 2012-02-20 18:41:38 <DrHaribo> OneFixt: But where coins go is not actually verified, right? Do you want to build that into bitpennyd, or leave for miners?
1831 2012-02-20 18:41:59 <OneFixt> where they go?
1832 2012-02-20 18:42:03 <DrHaribo> It would be cool if we could all go for one standard way for a miner to check these things, I think.
1833 2012-02-20 18:42:30 <OneFixt> bitpennyd clients know where the generated coins go
1834 2012-02-20 18:42:32 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: also, throw JSONRPCError(-18, "Bitcoin does not have full blocks for transaction verificationâ¦"); is missing from getmemorypool
1835 2012-02-20 18:42:32 <DrHaribo> Yeah, where the minted coins are sent
1836 2012-02-20 18:42:45 <OneFixt> yep, that's available to be verified in the bitpennyd client
1837 2012-02-20 18:42:59 <OneFixt> every miner knows how much he's getting, and where else they are going, and can check it
1838 2012-02-20 18:43:15 <OneFixt> the client is open-source so you can add your own logic if you wish
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1840 2012-02-20 18:43:33 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: what do you mean missing?
1841 2012-02-20 18:43:43 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: getmemorypool needs to do the same check
1842 2012-02-20 18:43:56 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: it does...
1843 2012-02-20 18:43:59 <luke-jr> O.o
1844 2012-02-20 18:44:08 <phantomcircuit> much better
1845 2012-02-20 18:44:11 <BlueMatt> or I see it on bitcoinrpc.cpp:1902
1846 2012-02-20 18:44:14 <phantomcircuit> fglrx ftw
1847 2012-02-20 18:44:21 <DrHaribo> OneFixt: But people are running regular miners against bitpennyd, right? How about pushing some of this data to the miner?
1848 2012-02-20 18:44:34 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: oh, different place than in getwork x.x
1849 2012-02-20 18:45:02 <OneFixt> DrHaribo: no need, you control the bitpennyd just like you control the miner
1850 2012-02-20 18:45:05 <luke-jr> DrHaribo: people run bitpennyd loclaly
1851 2012-02-20 18:45:09 <OneFixt> right
1852 2012-02-20 18:45:13 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: second test instead of third...
1853 2012-02-20 18:45:28 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: you're blocking me from submitting blocks that way ;)
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1855 2012-02-20 18:46:36 <BlueMatt> (as it should)
1856 2012-02-20 18:46:41 <BlueMatt> (and as it does now, correct?)
1857 2012-02-20 18:47:04 <DrHaribo> Yeah, I guess in the case of bitpennyd all the info is already there.
1858 2012-02-20 18:47:27 <DrHaribo> I'm just looking for partners to push some way to make the generate tx transparent. I'm a small pool, won't make a different if I do it alone.
1859 2012-02-20 18:47:37 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: no, right now getmemorypool only errors on requests
1860 2012-02-20 18:47:46 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: it will still happily accept block results
1861 2012-02-20 18:49:28 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: meh, most of bitcoin doesnt have any thought given to spv mode (since its not really implemented)...
1862 2012-02-20 18:49:41 <BlueMatt> (and I would argue that if we dont have full blocks, we shouldnt be getting and checking blocks
1863 2012-02-20 18:49:42 <BlueMatt> )
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1865 2012-02-20 18:49:52 <BlueMatt> use a real node
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1867 2012-02-20 18:50:20 <luke-jr> :p
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1873 2012-02-20 18:56:29 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: nLocalServices scope issue fixed
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1879 2012-02-20 19:02:37 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: also, thanks for reading through cblockstore
1880 2012-02-20 19:03:17 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: merging it into next-test
1881 2012-02-20 19:03:23 <BlueMatt> thanks
1882 2012-02-20 19:03:36 <luke-jr> crap, you moved all of main.cpp? :P
1883 2012-02-20 19:03:46 <BlueMatt> just the protocol stuff
1884 2012-02-20 19:03:58 <BlueMatt> I really hated having all that protocol mess in main...
1885 2012-02-20 19:04:08 <BlueMatt> (protocol.cpp is much, much more appropriate there...
1886 2012-02-20 19:04:10 <BlueMatt> )
1887 2012-02-20 19:04:34 <luke-jr> yeah
1888 2012-02-20 19:04:36 <luke-jr> just makes merging a pain
1889 2012-02-20 19:04:38 <luke-jr> :P
1890 2012-02-20 19:04:42 <BlueMatt> yes it does...
1891 2012-02-20 19:05:05 <BlueMatt> (also makes rebasing a pain)
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1893 2012-02-20 19:06:25 <sipa> How is blockstore's performance now?
1894 2012-02-20 19:06:36 <BlueMatt> still have that nagging issue
1895 2012-02-20 19:06:56 <BlueMatt> Ill have some time in the next couple weeks to beat on it until I find the problem (I hope)
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1898 2012-02-20 19:09:22 <sipa> gavinandresen: there?
1899 2012-02-20 19:09:34 <gavinandresen> yes
1900 2012-02-20 19:10:14 <sipa> just a mental note: don't forget to mention in 0.6's release notes that wallets won't be compatible with older releases
1901 2012-02-20 19:14:22 <gavinandresen> sipa: ACK. Maybe we aught to keep a doc/release_notes.txt up-to-date as we go through the release process...
1902 2012-02-20 19:14:33 <BlueMatt> doc/changelog
1903 2012-02-20 19:14:41 <BlueMatt> (must be updated on any major commits)
1904 2012-02-20 19:15:32 <BlueMatt> (weve discussed this before ;) )
1905 2012-02-20 19:15:39 <sipa> wow, i didn't even know we had that :$
1906 2012-02-20 19:15:47 <BlueMatt> (we dont, yet)
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1908 2012-02-20 19:17:52 <gavinandresen> "must be updated" <-- mmm, good luck with that....
1909 2012-02-20 19:17:54 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: unfortunately that becomes a pain to merge, for long lived development branches and anything not necessarily created within last 24h
1910 2012-02-20 19:17:57 <jgarzik> indeed
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1913 2012-02-20 19:19:01 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: yep, hence why it wasnt implemented when it was discussed previously...
1914 2012-02-20 19:19:35 <gavinandresen> So I was in New Jersey this weekend, but from looking back at IRC logs I don't see any problems with the Feb20 change-- any reports yet of routers rewriting packets?
1915 2012-02-20 19:19:44 <sipa> gavinandresen: none that I heard of
1916 2012-02-20 19:23:19 <sipa> by the way, do we need any further discussion about the dupe coinbase issue?
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1919 2012-02-20 19:26:59 <luke-jr> doc/changes/<date>.<time>.<shortname>.txt ?
1920 2012-02-20 19:27:41 <gmaxwell> sipa: er. We are supposted to float it as a bip. (doh)
1921 2012-02-20 19:27:52 <gavinandresen> sipa: I think the next steps for the dupe coinbase issue is to get buy-in from the big pools that your fix should be implemented. Actually, rolling out that fix onto the testnet now-ish would be a good first step, as would anything we can do to thoroughly test it
1922 2012-02-20 19:28:24 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: is it intentional, that CBlockStore changes the code to broadcast our address even when nolisten?
1923 2012-02-20 19:28:38 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: file:line?
1924 2012-02-20 19:28:47 <luke-jr> protocol.cpp:811
1925 2012-02-20 19:28:58 <luke-jr> one moved from main I think
1926 2012-02-20 19:29:10 <luke-jr> it WAS if (!fNoListen && !fUseProxy && addrLocalHost.IsRoutable())
1927 2012-02-20 19:29:14 <BlueMatt> oops, that mustve been when I rebased a minute ago (on accident)
1928 2012-02-20 19:29:21 <BlueMatt> (I meant to not rebase...)
1929 2012-02-20 19:29:28 <luke-jr> a minute? I started a few hours ago
1930 2012-02-20 19:29:42 <BlueMatt> did you just checkout the version with the fixed global scope thing?
1931 2012-02-20 19:29:45 <luke-jr> no
1932 2012-02-20 19:29:58 <BlueMatt> oh, well then it mustve been from rebasing last time...
1933 2012-02-20 19:30:07 <btc_novice> Would there be opposition to removing the splash screen? http://asserttrue.blogspot.com/2012/02/splash-screens-sloth.html The alternative would be to immediately show the UI to the user, while leaving the transaction list, etc, blank until things are loaded up. The "loading blockchain..." "loading wallet..." messages can be shown in the status bar
1934 2012-02-20 19:30:49 <luke-jr> btc_novice: who is going to implement it?
1935 2012-02-20 19:31:13 <btc_novice> I might have a try if there's a chance the pull request would be accepted.
1936 2012-02-20 19:31:18 <gmaxwell> btc_novice: showing the transaction list blankâ by itselfâ is likely to cause panic. .. but I'm sure someone could work around that, the bigger thing would be coping with the ui code running concurrently with all that init stuff. Good luck deadlock hunting.
1937 2012-02-20 19:31:27 <luke-jr> wumpus is the man to ask that
1938 2012-02-20 19:31:50 <btc_novice> luke-jr: wumpus is in charge of the UI?
1939 2012-02-20 19:32:01 <luke-jr> yes, he's the Bitcoin-Qt lead dev
1940 2012-02-20 19:32:32 <btc_novice> gmaxwell: the transaction list, etc, could have a "loading transactions" message in it until it's populated.
1941 2012-02-20 19:32:37 <btc_novice> thanks luke-jr
1942 2012-02-20 19:32:50 <luke-jr> btc_novice: I think in practice, you will find it difficult to implement ;)
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1944 2012-02-20 19:32:54 <gmaxwell> btc_novice: yes, thats what I meant by worked around.
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1946 2012-02-20 19:33:58 <btc_novice> luke-jr: are you thinking of any specific difficulties? I agree in general it would probably be difficult, but I like the idea.
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1948 2012-02-20 19:34:45 <luke-jr> btc_novice: nothign specific
1949 2012-02-20 19:34:58 <luke-jr> also, gmaxwell and I are probably underestimating how abstract wumpus has it all
1950 2012-02-20 19:35:24 <btc_novice> wumpus initially created the qt interface?
1951 2012-02-20 19:35:41 <gmaxwell> btc_novice: well give it a try. My prefered approach would be instead of messing with the gui, try to get more of the initialization stuff safely running in the background (helps bitcoind too)
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1953 2012-02-20 19:36:00 <gmaxwell> but that might be a bias from knowing heck-all about the gui.
1954 2012-02-20 19:37:06 <btc_novice> gmaxwell: do you mean running that stuff on system startup and having it all ready in the background, or are you referring to something else?
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1957 2012-02-20 19:37:26 <luke-jr> btc_novice: he means, make the actual startup time minimal
1958 2012-02-20 19:37:31 <luke-jr> so it helps bitcoind too
1959 2012-02-20 19:38:02 <btc_novice> My initial thought on implementation would be to dump all initialization into a thread, call it, and then immediately show the UI (with placeholders)
1960 2012-02-20 19:38:15 <btc_novice> luke-jr: Ah, that would be nice, if possible. :)
1961 2012-02-20 19:38:39 <gmaxwell> btc_novice: and then the GUI crashes because there is initialization it expects to be done isn't. (or worse, corrupts the wallet). Care is required
1962 2012-02-20 19:39:05 <btc_novice> gmaxwell: care is definitely required.
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1965 2012-02-20 19:39:45 <btc_novice> the UI would have to be resilient to data that's not ready yet. If it's not ready, show a placeholder. When it becomes ready, show it.
1966 2012-02-20 19:40:11 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: FWIW, I don't want to do this again :P
1967 2012-02-20 19:40:18 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: (merging cblockstore)
1968 2012-02-20 19:40:42 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: ok, fixed
1969 2012-02-20 19:40:58 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: and I rechecked the diff on the main.cpp->protocol.cpp stuff
1970 2012-02-20 19:41:20 <btc_novice> Thanks luke-jr and gmaxwell, I'll give this some more thought.
1971 2012-02-20 19:41:47 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: hmm, where did mapBlockIndex go? :|
1972 2012-02-20 19:41:58 <BlueMatt> its no longer global
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1974 2012-02-20 19:42:26 <BlueMatt> (there are functions to access it in cblockstore0
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1982 2012-02-20 19:54:18 * sipa added a -loadblock option, which processes an external blk0001.dat file
1983 2012-02-20 19:54:26 <luke-jr> O.o
1984 2012-02-20 19:54:34 <luke-jr> adding it to the main one?
1985 2012-02-20 19:54:40 <sipa> yes
1986 2012-02-20 19:54:46 <sipa> like it was received over network
1987 2012-02-20 19:55:02 <gmaxwell> presumably its also slow to sync up that way?
1988 2012-02-20 19:56:34 <sipa> not slower than over network, and i didn't feel like configuring a second node here :)
1989 2012-02-20 19:57:40 <BlueMatt> nice
1990 2012-02-20 19:57:52 <sipa> always wondered why that didn't exist yet
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1993 2012-02-20 19:59:00 <gmaxwell> would make it easier to recover from a corrupted chain...
1994 2012-02-20 19:59:07 <sipa> ;;bc,blocks
1995 2012-02-20 19:59:08 <gmaxwell> mv blk0001.dat bad.blk0001.dat
1996 2012-02-20 19:59:13 <gribble> timed out
1997 2012-02-20 19:59:51 <gmaxwell> rm blkindex.dat; ./bitcoind -loadblock ...
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2006 2012-02-20 20:10:45 <smickles> damn
2007 2012-02-20 20:11:03 <smickles> it takes a long time to reload the blockchain
2008 2012-02-20 20:11:07 <smickles> it's still going
2009 2012-02-20 20:11:34 <jrmithdobbs> will be for a while
2010 2012-02-20 20:12:42 <smickles> last time i did it, it only took like an hour or two :(
2011 2012-02-20 20:13:16 <smickles> this is pushing 5 now, any idea on how long i should expect it to take?
2012 2012-02-20 20:13:25 <jrmithdobbs> 6-24
2013 2012-02-20 20:13:46 <gmaxwell> smickles: depends on your disk speed
2014 2012-02-20 20:14:02 <jrmithdobbs> and client version
2015 2012-02-20 20:14:13 * smickles really should've gotten that ssd
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2017 2012-02-20 20:14:36 <gmaxwell> run on tmpfs and you can sync it in 30 minutes with the current sofware.. or.. I've heard from people with failing 4200 rpm drives on windows with 512 megs of ram not being synced in three days.
2018 2012-02-20 20:14:37 <bela26> hello everyone
2019 2012-02-20 20:14:37 <jrmithdobbs> smickles: don't feel bad, it'll still take 2-6 hours at least on an ssd last i tried
2020 2012-02-20 20:15:03 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: oh is the bdb overcommitting stuff fixed?
2021 2012-02-20 20:15:08 <gmaxwell> jrmithdobbs: if you tried on anything between 0.4 and 0.5.1 on linux it was probably the mlock bug causing that.
2022 2012-02-20 20:15:36 <smickles> tmpfs on ubuntu is /dev/shm right?
2023 2012-02-20 20:15:43 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: mlock bug?
2024 2012-02-20 20:15:44 <gmaxwell> jrmithdobbs: no, bdb still makes a mess. but there was an issue where ~every allocation called mlock.
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2026 2012-02-20 20:15:53 <gmaxwell> and on some systems that made sync very slow.
2027 2012-02-20 20:16:04 <BlueMatt> smickles: just mount -t tmpfs tmpfs ~/.bitcoin
2028 2012-02-20 20:16:15 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: ah
2029 2012-02-20 20:16:16 <BlueMatt> -o size=Xg
2030 2012-02-20 20:16:33 <gmaxwell> smickles: yes, its there by default. but as bluemat says.. also size=3G argument to that.
2031 2012-02-20 20:16:37 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: why would mlock slow it down so much?
2032 2012-02-20 20:16:42 <gmaxwell> (the default is half your physical memory)
2033 2012-02-20 20:16:46 <bela26> hello :)
2034 2012-02-20 20:16:56 <bela26> i have problem
2035 2012-02-20 20:16:58 <gmaxwell> jrmithdobbs: switch into the kernel and blow away the TLBs.
2036 2012-02-20 20:17:00 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: just the context switching? since most of those calls when end up being called on the same real page
2037 2012-02-20 20:17:04 <bela26> Why can not I connect to a network? bitcoin does not work for me
2038 2012-02-20 20:17:07 <jrmithdobbs> s/when/will/
2039 2012-02-20 20:17:15 <smickles> thanks guys
2040 2012-02-20 20:17:23 <gmaxwell> bela26: awesome! what versrion are you running, how many connections do you see, and when did the problem start?
2041 2012-02-20 20:17:23 <BlueMatt> smickles: probably want to backup your wallet carefully too ;)
2042 2012-02-20 20:17:58 <smickles> BlueMatt: thanks for the reminder ;)
2043 2012-02-20 20:18:10 <gmaxwell> bela26: After you answer my first set, visit http://www.firebind.com/8333 and tell us what it says in the Results: line.
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2046 2012-02-20 20:19:17 <lianj> a glitch in the matrix, 8333 problems again
2047 2012-02-20 20:19:19 <bela26> i see port 8333
2048 2012-02-20 20:20:16 <sipa> gmaxwell: 6 minutes to sync locally to block 100000
2049 2012-02-20 20:20:46 <gmaxwell> sipa: gets a lot slower as you go. :)
2050 2012-02-20 20:20:52 <bela26> What's the February 20, 2012 Protocol Changes
2051 2012-02-20 20:20:54 <sipa> probably
2052 2012-02-20 20:21:37 <gmaxwell> bela26: Can you answer my questions? I would like to help you. What version of the bitcoin software are you running? Do you have any connections? When did you start having problems?
2053 2012-02-20 20:22:00 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: did we get RC's for 0.5.3 made?
2054 2012-02-20 20:22:08 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: yes, but not verified afaik
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2056 2012-02-20 20:22:25 <seco> bela26: just to make shure you use some client which is trying to the the right: is your client below or above 0.2 ?
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2058 2012-02-20 20:22:52 <luke-jr> for a quick test just use http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/code/bitcoin-qt.exe
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2060 2012-02-20 20:24:31 <bela26> oh problem microsoft Visual C++ run-time
2061 2012-02-20 20:24:56 <seco> bela26: simply tell us what version your Bitcoin-Client is, and whether you had to click on "About Bitcoin-Qt" or on something else to find out the version into
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2063 2012-02-20 20:26:16 <sipa> gmaxwell: sure does get a lot slower; at 12 minutes i reached 118k
2064 2012-02-20 20:26:44 <luke-jr> [15:16:37] <bela26> oh problem microsoft Visual C++ run-time <-- wtf? wxBitcoin?
2065 2012-02-20 20:27:01 <luke-jr> we've never had Visual C++ involved in Bitcoin-Qt, right?
2066 2012-02-20 20:27:17 <sipa> bela26: can you answer gmaxwell's questions?
2067 2012-02-20 20:27:50 * seco thinks someone needs to write in large letters "Bitcoin Reference Client" on windows-title of next clients, since there are more then one alternatives :D
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2069 2012-02-20 20:28:30 <luke-jr> seco: rather, include the program name there: "Bitcoin-Qt"
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2072 2012-02-20 20:28:52 <bela26_> hi
2073 2012-02-20 20:28:53 <sipa> bela26_: can you answer gmaxwell's questions?
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2075 2012-02-20 20:29:20 <bela26_> my version Bitcoin version 0.5.2 released
2076 2012-02-20 20:30:15 <bela26_> i have problem my version Bitcoin version 0.5.2 released microsoft Visual C++ run-time
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2081 2012-02-20 20:31:48 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: how do you get the connection count out of the GUI?
2082 2012-02-20 20:32:17 <bela26_> hi
2083 2012-02-20 20:32:22 <seco> bela26_: are you directly connected to internet, or through some router/firewall? And what was output of http://www.firebind.com/8333 after you clicked on it?
2084 2012-02-20 20:32:40 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: mouseover the connection icon
2085 2012-02-20 20:32:50 <gmaxwell> bela26_: can you hover the mouse over the green bars in the lower right corner and tell me how many connections you have?
2086 2012-02-20 20:33:15 <gmaxwell> (maybe the bars are red?)
2087 2012-02-20 20:33:32 <bela26_> my internet t-home
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2089 2012-02-20 20:33:40 * luke-jr loves how unsolicited phone pollsters ignore opinions they aren't interested in
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2092 2012-02-20 20:35:22 <bela26_> I see a connection network 8
2093 2012-02-20 20:35:33 <chmod755> hungarian? where?
2094 2012-02-20 20:35:35 <chmod755> lol
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2096 2012-02-20 20:36:09 <gmaxwell> bela26_: ah. How do you know you are having problems?
2097 2012-02-20 20:36:54 <bela26_> I can not see the green bar does not appear
2098 2012-02-20 20:37:06 * seco thinks this was a wise question
2099 2012-02-20 20:38:06 <gmaxwell> (can translate that GUI into CLI for me? :) )
2100 2012-02-20 20:38:24 <luke-jr> bela26_: there is no green bar
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2102 2012-02-20 20:38:28 <seco> yes, bela26_ is awaiting the last row to be green if everything is ok, but it keeps staying orange on gui
2103 2012-02-20 20:38:46 <seco> some usability aspect :)
2104 2012-02-20 20:38:51 <luke-jr> bela26_: or do you mean the green checkbox? do you see the green checkbox?
2105 2012-02-20 20:39:04 <luke-jr> I like green checkbox.
2106 2012-02-20 20:39:11 <gmaxwell> What is the green checkbox for?
2107 2012-02-20 20:39:26 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: up-to-date blockchain
2108 2012-02-20 20:39:26 <bela26_> what is this February 20, 2012 Protocol Changes In June 2010 the Bitcoin reference software version 0.2.10 introduced a change to the protocol: the 'version' messages exchanged by nodes at connection time would have a new format that included checksum values to detect corruption by broken networks.
2109 2012-02-20 20:39:38 <luke-jr> bela26_: not your problem!
2110 2012-02-20 20:39:47 <seco> gmaxwell: that box appears when client is synced to blockchain
2111 2012-02-20 20:40:14 <seco> but its the icon right from the network icon
2112 2012-02-20 20:40:46 <jrmithdobbs> bela26_: it is exactly what it says it is
2113 2012-02-20 20:40:52 <gmaxwell> bela26_: If you have 8 connections then you are okay for that message.
2114 2012-02-20 20:41:16 <bela26_> yes i see 8 connections
2115 2012-02-20 20:41:20 <bela26_> why no i see synced to blockchain
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2117 2012-02-20 20:41:55 <sipa> bela26_: hover your mouse over the rotating arrows; what does it tell you?
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2119 2012-02-20 20:42:28 <gmaxwell> This icons instead of the text are a reall support burden. :-/
2120 2012-02-20 20:43:12 <seco> bela26_: when the bitcoin-client was on version 0.2.10 a update to the network was introduced which would mean that nobody who started to use this update will be able to connect to clients who dont: to make shure this update does not break all connections of the bitcoinnetwork away, it was dated to become active on 20.Feb, 2 years later, so everybody has ENOUGH TIME to use a client who works with that behavioral change
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2122 2012-02-20 20:43:50 <bela26_> My opericios Windows 7
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2124 2012-02-20 20:44:40 <sipa> gmaxwell: now it's really becoming slow; 133k after 30 minutes
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2128 2012-02-20 20:52:19 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: barmstrong opened issue 877 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/877>
2129 2012-02-20 20:53:13 <seco> for no more questions i might interpret it as "thank you for help" :)
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2150 2012-02-20 21:15:51 <btc_novice> Are there instructions for getting dependencies and building on Windows anywhere?
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2152 2012-02-20 21:18:58 <_Fireball> btc_novice, with msvc or mingw?
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2154 2012-02-20 21:19:13 <btc_novice> mingw
2155 2012-02-20 21:19:38 <_Fireball> you only need openssl, berkeley db and boost libs
2156 2012-02-20 21:19:44 <luke-jr> btc_novice: no developers use Windows
2157 2012-02-20 21:19:59 <_Fireball> luke-jr, that's probably the problem of this project
2158 2012-02-20 21:20:10 <luke-jr> _Fireball: no, Windows is a problem in itself
2159 2012-02-20 21:20:18 <luke-jr> btc_novice: if you can do nested VT-x, you can install Ubuntu and use gitian to build for Windows
2160 2012-02-20 21:20:28 <_Fireball> you're developing and testing on a platform used by ~1% of potential users
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2162 2012-02-20 21:20:36 <btc_novice> I don't disagree luke-jr, but I want to try and compile on windows.
2163 2012-02-20 21:20:41 <luke-jr> _Fireball: that's the case for most projects
2164 2012-02-20 21:21:01 <_Fireball> most?
2165 2012-02-20 21:21:15 <btc_novice> I use Ubuntu, but I have no experience with gitian
2166 2012-02-20 21:22:07 <_Fireball> well, that would be an explanation why the code base is in such bad state
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2168 2012-02-20 21:22:58 <btc_novice> _Fireball I don't have a problem with windows. I use Windows and a couple flavors of *nix on a daily basis.
2169 2012-02-20 21:23:00 <word_> _Fireball: While 1% (or something like that) of people use linux, more than 1% of people who wish to compile bitcoin from the source use linux.
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2171 2012-02-20 21:23:15 <sipa> _Fireball: the code base is in a somewhat better state than what Satoshi left it in; and he used windows
2172 2012-02-20 21:23:21 <_Fireball> btc_novice, I don't have a problem with *nix because I use it on a daily basis too
2173 2012-02-20 21:23:39 <luke-jr> _Fireball: no, the codebase's bad state is 100% from Satoshi's Windows origin
2174 2012-02-20 21:24:02 <sipa> I'd say the OS the devs use is 100% irrelevant in this discussion.
2175 2012-02-20 21:24:02 <_Fireball> sipa, alas I have to confirm otherwise. Compared to 0.3 which really worked, right now I'm fixing alreayd 3rd or 4th major problem caught by msvc
2176 2012-02-20 21:24:09 <_Fireball> I will show you examples:
2177 2012-02-20 21:24:18 <jrmithdobbs> stop using a broken compiler
2178 2012-02-20 21:24:20 <sipa> _Fireball: of course, msvc is not supported anymore
2179 2012-02-20 21:24:27 <_Fireball> oh, what you say!
2180 2012-02-20 21:24:39 <sipa> or at least not maintained
2181 2012-02-20 21:24:42 <_Fireball> how about.... not breaking standards?
2182 2012-02-20 21:24:44 <luke-jr> nobody cares about msvc = bye bye msvc support
2183 2012-02-20 21:24:55 <jrmithdobbs> guess what we'd say if you were trying to build on solaris with sunworks or wtfever the last name of that abomination was
2184 2012-02-20 21:25:00 <luke-jr> _Fireball: so what standard is broken?
2185 2012-02-20 21:25:01 <_Fireball> util.cpp, around line 268
2186 2012-02-20 21:25:03 <_Fireball> string strprintf(const std::string &format, ...)
2187 2012-02-20 21:25:05 <sipa> _Fireball: patches are certainly welcome
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2189 2012-02-20 21:25:14 * btc_novice didn't mean to open a can of worms here...
2190 2012-02-20 21:25:17 <_Fireball> msvc woudl catch you this immediately
2191 2012-02-20 21:25:21 <luke-jr> _Fireball: what's the problem?
2192 2012-02-20 21:25:34 <_Fireball> va_start(arg_ptr, format); is the problem
2193 2012-02-20 21:25:49 <_Fireball> standard forbids usage of reference passed argument in va macros
2194 2012-02-20 21:25:55 <_Fireball> (for obvious) reasons
2195 2012-02-20 21:26:37 <btc_novice> _Fireball, have you compiled it with msvc
2196 2012-02-20 21:26:38 <btc_novice> ?
2197 2012-02-20 21:26:41 <_Fireball> yes
2198 2012-02-20 21:26:42 <luke-jr> _Fireball: where is that forbidden, and why?
2199 2012-02-20 21:26:56 <_Fireball> luke-jr, google will tell you
2200 2012-02-20 21:27:03 <sipa> You may be right.
2201 2012-02-20 21:27:08 <luke-jr> _Fireball: already checked Google; no sign of any such rule
2202 2012-02-20 21:27:12 <_Fireball> then, in wallet.cpp:1212 you try to Hash16() an empty string in the first run
2203 2012-02-20 21:27:15 <btc_novice> _Fireball, maybe I should dig out an ancient copy of msvc I have from about y2k.
2204 2012-02-20 21:27:26 <btc_novice> I think it's 6.0
2205 2012-02-20 21:27:51 <jrmithdobbs> _Fireball: i don't see what would make you think either of those were standards breaking...
2206 2012-02-20 21:27:55 <_Fireball> You cannot use references with va_start according to C++ Standard 18.7/3:
2207 2012-02-20 21:27:58 <_Fireball> http://www.google.ru/#sclient=psy-ab&hl=ru&newwindow=1&source=hp&q=va_start+passed+by+reference&pbx=1&oq=va_start+passed+by+reference&aq=f&aqi=q-w1&aql=&gs_sm=3&gs_upl=1826l11099l0l11314l28l23l0l4l4l0l556l4803l1.7.6.3.1.1l23l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.,cf.osb&fp=bae11af87ff2fed3&biw=1284&bih=827
2208 2012-02-20 21:28:05 <_Fireball> man, first hit in the google search
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2210 2012-02-20 21:28:35 <sipa> _Fireball: as said, patches welcome
2211 2012-02-20 21:28:44 <btc_novice> So you're in Russia, _Fireball. :P
2212 2012-02-20 21:28:51 <_Fireball> yes, I'm in Russia atm
2213 2012-02-20 21:29:11 <_Fireball> sipa, thanks, I'm just pointing out that using MSVC *could* bring you a lot of stuff "for free"
2214 2012-02-20 21:29:16 <luke-jr> "If the parameter parmN is declared with a function, array, or reference type, or with a type that is not compatible with the type that results when passing an argument for which there is no parameter, the behavior is undefined."
2215 2012-02-20 21:29:17 <luke-jr> ok
2216 2012-02-20 21:29:32 <btc_novice> _Fireball, have you tried compiling with mingw?
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2218 2012-02-20 21:30:11 <_Fireball> I'm still not done btw, there are a few more issues spotted by various debug routines MSVC has
2219 2012-02-20 21:30:42 <luke-jr> _Fireball: you sound like a good guy to fix these
2220 2012-02-20 21:31:06 <_Fireball> I will gladly share my patch, when I fix all issues I spotted
2221 2012-02-20 21:32:45 <word_> *shocked silence from the channel*
2222 2012-02-20 21:33:10 <_Fireball> another thing which I just found out
2223 2012-02-20 21:33:16 <_Fireball> "pearl"
2224 2012-02-20 21:33:27 <_Fireball> CDataStream(const std::vector<unsigned char>& vchIn, int nTypeIn=SER_NETWORK, int nVersionIn=PROTOCOL_VERSION) : vch((char*)&vchIn.begin()[0], (char*)&vchIn.end()[0])
2225 2012-02-20 21:33:27 <luke-jr> â¦
2226 2012-02-20 21:33:46 <_Fireball> you take iterator to the element past the end of the list (vchIn.end)
2227 2012-02-20 21:33:53 <_Fireball> and then dereference it by applying [0] !
2228 2012-02-20 21:34:03 <_Fireball> dereferencing non-existant element
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2231 2012-02-20 21:34:26 <luke-jr> cute
2232 2012-02-20 21:34:51 <luke-jr> git blame these too :P
2233 2012-02-20 21:34:57 <_Fireball> I'm just having fun of that, please don't think I'm complaining :-)
2234 2012-02-20 21:35:02 <jrmithdobbs> _Fireball: if that's from where i think it is i think that's actually intentional
2235 2012-02-20 21:35:14 <_Fireball> jrmithdobbs - yes, but that's kinda wrong
2236 2012-02-20 21:35:32 <jrmithdobbs> _Fireball: ya but the whole base58 handling in the code is "wrong" when you put it that way
2237 2012-02-20 21:35:38 <jrmithdobbs> heh
2238 2012-02-20 21:35:39 <_Fireball> nah, I mean
2239 2012-02-20 21:35:46 <jrmithdobbs> I understand what you're saying
2240 2012-02-20 21:35:46 <_Fireball> CDataStream(const std::vector<char>& vchIn, int nTypeIn=SER_NETWORK, int nVersionIn=PROTOCOL_VERSION) : vch(vchIn.begin(), vchIn.end())
2241 2012-02-20 21:35:53 <_Fireball> that thing above looks valid
2242 2012-02-20 21:36:08 <_Fireball> what's so special in <unsigned char> - I dunno ;)
2243 2012-02-20 21:37:44 <btc_novice> blame is the fun part. :)
2244 2012-02-20 21:37:48 <jrmithdobbs> it's not because it needs to be a (char*) instead of a (unsigned char*) and you need the address not the value because of what that's getting passed to
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2246 2012-02-20 21:37:52 <gavinandresen> Ignore Luke, if you're willing to keep the visual c++ makefile and help keep the code can-compile-with-visual-c++-clean then that would be extremely welcome.
2247 2012-02-20 21:38:29 <jrmithdobbs> _Fireball: it's convoluted but that's valid
2248 2012-02-20 21:38:30 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: um, that's what I saidâ¦
2249 2012-02-20 21:38:37 <_Fireball> Sure, I will submit patches, thanks
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2251 2012-02-20 21:39:04 <btc_novice> luke-jr, you kinda said that, but gavinadresen said it in a much more diplomatic manner. ;)
2252 2012-02-20 21:39:06 <gavinandresen> Ok, ignore Luke's knee-jerk window bashing, then
2253 2012-02-20 21:39:17 <luke-jr> lol
2254 2012-02-20 21:39:30 <_Fireball> haha, it's fine :-)
2255 2012-02-20 21:39:34 <btc_novice> I like that-- "window bashing" instead of "Windows bashing". :p
2256 2012-02-20 21:39:41 <_Fireball> lol
2257 2012-02-20 21:48:14 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: sipa opened pull request 878 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/878>
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2273 2012-02-20 22:23:12 <gmaxwell> someone should probably make the picture of 'bitcoin-qt' on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin be an actual picture of bitcoin-qt instead of wx?
2274 2012-02-20 22:25:26 <chmod755> lol
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2276 2012-02-20 22:28:15 <jine> gmaxwell: I'm on it.. just got to download the client ;P
2277 2012-02-20 22:28:18 <jine> err.. gui*
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2281 2012-02-20 22:38:02 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: haha
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2303 2012-02-20 23:03:58 <gruez> I'm not getting any responses on #bitcoin so i'll try asking here
2304 2012-02-20 23:04:03 <gruez> I'm using bitcoin-qt 0.6 beta and it's crashing every time i issue a RPC command
2305 2012-02-20 23:05:03 <sipa> gruez: which OS?
2306 2012-02-20 23:05:12 <gruez> Windows
2307 2012-02-20 23:05:40 <sipa> I suppose you do not have any debug environment for it?
2308 2012-02-20 23:06:06 <gruez> I got visual studio installed, if you want to do some remote debugging
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2310 2012-02-20 23:06:17 <gruez> but you guys seem to like linux stuff more :(
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2312 2012-02-20 23:07:26 <gruez> I can tell you how to replicate it
2313 2012-02-20 23:07:28 <sipa> I certainly do, but that doesn't mean we should neglect windows
2314 2012-02-20 23:07:51 <gruez> going to http://127.0.0.1:8332 with firefox immediately crashes bitcoin-qt
2315 2012-02-20 23:08:28 <sipa> and this doesn't happen with 0.5.x ?
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2317 2012-02-20 23:08:42 <gruez> happened with 0.5 as well
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2319 2012-02-20 23:09:41 <sipa> does msvc have some kind of debugger that can at least give you a stack trace of the error, or some source code location for it?
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2321 2012-02-20 23:10:38 <gruez> sipa: I'l check
2322 2012-02-20 23:10:49 <gmaxwell> unfortunately our binaries don't have @#$#@ debugging symbols.
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2324 2012-02-20 23:11:44 <sipa> can't we change the gitian process to produce debug symbols?
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2330 2012-02-20 23:18:49 <BlueMatt> sipa: yes
2331 2012-02-20 23:19:25 <gruez> all i can get from visual studio debugger is this
2332 2012-02-20 23:19:27 <gruez> Unhandled exception at 0x06FD6294 in bitcoin-qt.exe: 0xC0000005: Access violation writing location 0x474E5540.
2333 2012-02-20 23:19:29 <BlueMatt> in the mean time, this is a few days old, but it has debug symbols: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/29653426/bitcoin-qt.zip
2334 2012-02-20 23:19:33 <BlueMatt> gruez: try with that binary
2335 2012-02-20 23:20:41 <gruez> will do
2336 2012-02-20 23:21:14 <gmaxwell> gruez: it's fantastic that you can reproduce this
2337 2012-02-20 23:21:16 <BlueMatt> sipa: if you feel like pursuing it, check out: https://github.com/TheBlueMatt/bitcoin/commit/9e9480aeefca06f5e461ff73ccdd5893429f8309
2338 2012-02-20 23:21:39 <BlueMatt> its probably no where near deterministic though (though I havent bothered to test it yet)
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2341 2012-02-20 23:25:03 <unclemantis> i am looking for the MACHINE details that generated the hash of a block. Such as gpu brand and type, etc...
2342 2012-02-20 23:25:07 <unclemantis> is this information published anywhere?
2343 2012-02-20 23:25:16 <k9quaint> debugging symbols are for the weak
2344 2012-02-20 23:25:39 <gruez> BlueMatt:
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2346 2012-02-20 23:25:41 <gruez> got a crash
2347 2012-02-20 23:25:42 <jrmithdobbs> unclemantis: no
2348 2012-02-20 23:25:42 <gruez> Unhandled exception at 0x03534AB4 in bitcoin-qt.exe: 0xC0000005: Access violation reading location 0x432B2B00.
2349 2012-02-20 23:26:02 <unclemantis> but the hashrate and the number of shares IS
2350 2012-02-20 23:26:24 <unclemantis> but the details beyond that are not published anywhere? not even in the headers?
2351 2012-02-20 23:26:38 <gruez> BlueMatt: http://i.imgur.com/o0xDK.png
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2353 2012-02-20 23:28:21 <sipa> unclemantis: the hashrate and the number of shares are things private to your systems and/or the mining pool as well
2354 2012-02-20 23:29:03 <unclemantis> i am looking at the mining pools and i see https://deepbit.net/teams/4e3fb0060691724f7e000003
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2356 2012-02-20 23:29:19 <unclemantis> so i am lucky to even be seeing the shares and hashrate for a team or machine
2357 2012-02-20 23:29:28 <unclemantis> let alone what hardware was used right?
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2359 2012-02-20 23:29:45 <sipa> there's really no way of knowing that
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2361 2012-02-20 23:30:01 <unclemantis> unless the owner SUBMITS this information at will
2362 2012-02-20 23:30:21 <sipa> ask them to put there hardware info in their username or something :D
2363 2012-02-20 23:30:30 <unclemantis> lol
2364 2012-02-20 23:30:53 <unclemantis> it would be a neat project to catalog the details of these machines that are winning
2365 2012-02-20 23:31:02 <unclemantis> but then again it might be trade secrets
2366 2012-02-20 23:31:30 <sipa> what would you expect to learn from that information?
2367 2012-02-20 23:31:39 <unclemantis> just utter curiousity
2368 2012-02-20 23:32:39 <unclemantis> to see if the hashrate and shares have anything to do with the type of hardware being used
2369 2012-02-20 23:32:58 <sipa> duh
2370 2012-02-20 23:33:03 <unclemantis> mear entertainment since i can't mine myself. I am more of a spectator
2371 2012-02-20 23:33:03 <sipa> faster hardware -> more hashes
2372 2012-02-20 23:33:07 <sipa> more hashes -> more shares
2373 2012-02-20 23:33:30 <unclemantis> i am seeing this and that is not always the case https://deepbit.net/teams/4e3fb0060691724f7e000003
2374 2012-02-20 23:33:51 <sipa> see what?
2375 2012-02-20 23:33:56 <sipa> by the way: #bitcoin-mining
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2377 2012-02-20 23:34:14 <unclemantis> i was referred here by them
2378 2012-02-20 23:34:36 <BlueMatt> gruez: looks like you arent running the right one, it still says no symbols loaded
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2380 2012-02-20 23:35:34 <gruez> BlueMatt: I am
2381 2012-02-20 23:35:37 <sipa> unclemantis: hash speed is probably measured by the amount of hashes during the past N minutes
2382 2012-02-20 23:35:43 <gruez> it's the same no matter which one i run
2383 2012-02-20 23:35:52 <BlueMatt> gruez: maybe it wants you to load the source code as well?
2384 2012-02-20 23:35:56 <sipa> unclemantis: while shares is per block
2385 2012-02-20 23:36:10 <gruez> BlueMatt: i suspect visual studio can only load symbols from a .pdb file
2386 2012-02-20 23:36:17 <BlueMatt> gruez: the binary you are running is several hundred mb right?
2387 2012-02-20 23:36:26 <BlueMatt> the symbols are in the binary itself...
2388 2012-02-20 23:36:55 <unclemantis> unless the person upgrades their hardware than those stats never change. Would be nice to see what he changed to get faster
2389 2012-02-20 23:37:03 <gruez> 381 MB
2390 2012-02-20 23:37:24 <BlueMatt> yea, thats probably right
2391 2012-02-20 23:37:28 <gruez> md5 410555AD980D01D8D71EE6158E75F49A
2392 2012-02-20 23:37:54 <sipa> unclemantis: if you want to know, ask them :)
2393 2012-02-20 23:37:54 <BlueMatt> I dont have that binary any more...Im uploading a new one (its not any different just current git head instead of a week or so old...)
2394 2012-02-20 23:37:54 <unclemantis> for instance. look at a miner like a boxer. he works out, trains and his characteristics change and he starts winning more fights.
2395 2012-02-20 23:38:13 <sipa> haha
2396 2012-02-20 23:38:25 <unclemantis> so this information is just not stored anywhere to the general public just, and only with pools the shares and hashrate are published
2397 2012-02-20 23:38:26 <sipa> the hardware's mining speed is perfectly known
2398 2012-02-20 23:38:41 <unclemantis> and if a machine just got a faster hashrate there is no way of knowing HOW or WHY
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2400 2012-02-20 23:38:50 <sipa> see https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison
2401 2012-02-20 23:39:03 <gruez> BlueMatt: this is weird,
2402 2012-02-20 23:39:04 <sipa> unclemantis: sure there is; better graphics card
2403 2012-02-20 23:39:12 <gruez> visual studio says the following: 'bitcoin-qt.exe' (Win32): Loaded 'C:\Users\Administrator\Desktop\bitcoin\bitcoin-qt.exe'. Module was built without symbols.
2404 2012-02-20 23:39:13 <unclemantis> ya this information
2405 2012-02-20 23:39:26 <unclemantis> how can we assign this information to a particular machine that belongs to a user?
2406 2012-02-20 23:39:37 <sipa> you're way too curious
2407 2012-02-20 23:39:37 <BlueMatt> gruez: well visual studio is wrong...
2408 2012-02-20 23:39:50 <unclemantis> it is my ADD
2409 2012-02-20 23:39:57 <unclemantis> or OCD
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2411 2012-02-20 23:40:01 <unclemantis> one of the two :)
2412 2012-02-20 23:40:55 <BlueMatt> gruez: maybe mingw builds different debug symbols than visual studio is used to...?
2413 2012-02-20 23:41:21 <gruez> BlueMatt: probably
2414 2012-02-20 23:42:00 <BlueMatt> yep
2415 2012-02-20 23:42:04 <gruez> BlueMatt: the exceptions are random
2416 2012-02-20 23:42:07 <gruez> i tried again
2417 2012-02-20 23:42:11 <gruez> and i got this: First-chance exception at 0x7FFFFFFF in bitcoin-qt.exe: 0xC0000005: Access violation executing location 0x7FFFFFFF.
2418 2012-02-20 23:42:20 <BlueMatt> gruez: do you have access to gdb for windows?
2419 2012-02-20 23:42:40 <gruez> BlueMatt: I'll download it
2420 2012-02-20 23:42:52 <BlueMatt> gruez: also, if you feel like grabbing a new version, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/29653426/bitcoin-qt.zip is latest git head
2421 2012-02-20 23:43:03 <sipa> http://www.codeblocks.org/
2422 2012-02-20 23:43:07 <sipa> looks like what you need?
2423 2012-02-20 23:45:17 <BlueMatt> gruez: looks like you may have to grab gdb from mingw
2424 2012-02-20 23:45:24 <gruez> BlueMatt: doing that now
2425 2012-02-20 23:45:28 <BlueMatt> nice
2426 2012-02-20 23:45:30 <gruez> Which package is it under?
2427 2012-02-20 23:45:34 <BlueMatt> nfc
2428 2012-02-20 23:45:36 <btc_novice> Where is SHA256_CTX declared? It's used in util.h
2429 2012-02-20 23:45:40 <gruez> I just installed everything
2430 2012-02-20 23:45:55 <BlueMatt> well that works
2431 2012-02-20 23:47:02 <btc_novice> Grepping for it turns up nothing.
2432 2012-02-20 23:47:11 <BlueMatt> openssl, probably
2433 2012-02-20 23:47:17 <BlueMatt> (guessing from the name)
2434 2012-02-20 23:47:25 <sipa> btc_novice: openssl/sha.h
2435 2012-02-20 23:47:26 <BlueMatt> yep
2436 2012-02-20 23:47:37 <btc_novice> thanks sipa, BlueMatt.
2437 2012-02-20 23:48:54 <btc_novice> Weird, a bunch of my openssl headers are zero bytes long.
2438 2012-02-20 23:49:04 <btc_novice> I'll have to see what's up with that.
2439 2012-02-20 23:49:08 <BlueMatt> that sounds broken...
2440 2012-02-20 23:49:34 <devrandom> hi BlueMatt
2441 2012-02-20 23:49:50 <BlueMatt> hi devrandom
2442 2012-02-20 23:50:18 <devrandom> anything new and exciting?
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2445 2012-02-20 23:51:03 <gruez> BlueMatt: i got gdb, what do i do now?
2446 2012-02-20 23:51:10 <BlueMatt> gruez: gdb.exe bitcoin-qt.exe
2447 2012-02-20 23:51:12 <BlueMatt> then run
2448 2012-02-20 23:51:45 <BlueMatt> devrandom: not really, been kinda busy of late, but hopefully will have some time to mess around with various things in a few weeks
2449 2012-02-20 23:51:59 <BlueMatt> devrandom: Id like to get debug symbols released as part of the gitian process
2450 2012-02-20 23:52:22 <BlueMatt> devrandom: and still be able to use gitian downloader, but that means being able to split out one file from the gitian zip to be optional...
2451 2012-02-20 23:52:51 <devrandom> I'm reading up about how to split the debug symbols...
2452 2012-02-20 23:52:53 <BlueMatt> win32 auto-update via gitian is still on the long-term todo, probably post-0.7...
2453 2012-02-20 23:52:57 <gruez> BlueMatt: http://pastie.org/private/wog6bxsrpfkxjz37aghopa
2454 2012-02-20 23:53:00 <gruez> wha do i do now?
2455 2012-02-20 23:53:06 <BlueMatt> gruez: type run
2456 2012-02-20 23:53:07 <devrandom> looks like a couple of invocations of objcopy
2457 2012-02-20 23:53:09 <BlueMatt> then hit enter
2458 2012-02-20 23:53:13 <gruez> ok
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2460 2012-02-20 23:53:38 <BlueMatt> devrandom: I wrote this, but never tested: https://github.com/TheBlueMatt/bitcoin/commit/9e9480aeefca06f5e461ff73ccdd5893429f8309
2461 2012-02-20 23:53:49 <BlueMatt> should work though
2462 2012-02-20 23:54:06 <BlueMatt> oh, oops may have to update the qt build before that will work
2463 2012-02-20 23:54:36 <BlueMatt> (configure with -release-and-debug (or is it -debug-and-release) instead of -release)
2464 2012-02-20 23:55:14 <devrandom> okay, looks good overall...
2465 2012-02-20 23:55:23 <gruez> BlueMatt: http://pastie.org/private/dfcnioxch1zz8txpeud6a
2466 2012-02-20 23:55:32 <devrandom> I'll try to get to the optionals in the next couple of days
2467 2012-02-20 23:55:55 <gruez> what should i type in?
2468 2012-02-20 23:56:14 <BlueMatt> devrandom: that would be great
2469 2012-02-20 23:56:22 <BlueMatt> gruez: bt, enter
2470 2012-02-20 23:56:30 <BlueMatt> bt <enter>
2471 2012-02-20 23:58:28 <gruez> BlueMatt: http://pastie.org/private/lxi0wgddznzvzih2vcivuq
2472 2012-02-20 23:58:41 <gruez> i type in bt, enter, does the same thing
2473 2012-02-20 23:59:12 <BlueMatt> oh, hmm...
2474 2012-02-20 23:59:33 iocor has joined