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  78 2012-03-02 02:03:05 <upb> so i heard someone running a bank on a VPS got hacked
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  85 2012-03-02 02:12:39 <lianj> upb: a couple
  86 2012-03-02 02:12:40 <ageis> upb: running a pool
  87 2012-03-02 02:12:49 <Joric> zhou is not here
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  89 2012-03-02 02:13:56 <Joric> upb, Linode hacked:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=66916.0
  90 2012-03-02 02:14:58 <Joric> i'm wondering do i still have money there on bitcoinica or it's just a record in the database
  91 2012-03-02 02:15:02 <graingert> upb: this is bitcoin-dev
  92 2012-03-02 02:15:46 <upb> oh sorry, i didnt mean anything related to bitcoin really, so it was OT
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  97 2012-03-02 02:24:38 <FaktioNN> bnProofOfWorkLimit = CBigNum(~uint256(0) >> 28);. Can someone explain what the purpose behind bnProofOfWorkLimit is?
  98 2012-03-02 02:24:52 <FaktioNN> I have seen different values for it passed around as well. 32 and 28 in particular.
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 100 2012-03-02 02:28:58 <Diablo-D3> >bnPron
 101 2012-03-02 02:28:59 <Diablo-D3> :3
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 110 2012-03-02 02:39:21 <sipa> facthe lowest realnet difficulty corresponds to app. 2^32 hashes
 111 2012-03-02 02:39:34 <sipa> for testnet, 2^28
 112 2012-03-02 02:40:41 <sipa> bnProofOfWorkLimit is the hkghest acceptable target at the lowest difficulty
 113 2012-03-02 02:40:57 <sipa> FaktioNN: ^^
 114 2012-03-02 02:41:20 <FaktioNN> Ah I see.
 115 2012-03-02 02:41:25 <FaktioNN> So it is like a bottom floor, so to speak?
 116 2012-03-02 02:42:16 <FaktioNN> I guess my question is.....what would be the net result of say...reducing the proofofwork limit to 2^8?
 117 2012-03-02 02:42:53 <Diablo-D3> on your own alt chain? nothing.
 118 2012-03-02 02:43:10 <sipa> it would mean the difficulty could drop to 0.00000006
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 120 2012-03-02 02:44:57 <FaktioNN> Yeah. I am really more interested in reducing all calculated difficulty as a whole. Currently, I have it setup to divide bnNew by a constant.
 121 2012-03-02 02:45:09 <FaktioNN> (which is the spot where the retargeting occurs)
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 133 2012-03-02 03:14:22 <phantomcircuit> lol where is gavin
 134 2012-03-02 03:16:16 <graingert> phantomcircuit: he's often out - I don't think he idles
 135 2012-03-02 03:16:53 <phantomcircuit> was going to offer him a secure host for the faucet lol
 136 2012-03-02 03:17:21 <graingert> phantomcircuit: what's the bank you switched to?
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 138 2012-03-02 03:17:50 <phantomcircuit> graingert, metro
 139 2012-03-02 03:18:06 <graingert> ooh
 140 2012-03-02 03:18:08 <graingert> a new one
 141 2012-03-02 03:18:16 <graingert> god the website is bad
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 143 2012-03-02 03:18:48 <phantomcircuit> graingert, yeah their website is terrible but i can script it so i dont really care
 144 2012-03-02 03:18:59 <phantomcircuit> also they have unique transaction id's
 145 2012-03-02 03:19:11 <phantomcircuit> something that appears to be a foreign concept for everybody else
 146 2012-03-02 03:19:31 <graingert> and pro bitcoin?
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 148 2012-03-02 03:19:51 <graingert> 200 FREE  transactions per month
 149 2012-03-02 03:19:56 <phantomcircuit> graingert, as far as we can tell :)
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 151 2012-03-02 03:20:57 <graingert> cool
 152 2012-03-02 03:21:01 <graingert> well enjoy
 153 2012-03-02 03:21:05 <graingert> shame about the fee
 154 2012-03-02 03:21:44 <phantomcircuit> we're eating the fee for transfers above 100 GBP
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 236 2012-03-02 07:18:57 <Diablo-D3> before the anti-bitcoin crowd on HN downvote me, everyone needs to upvote this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3655711
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 238 2012-03-02 07:20:56 <JFK911> whats HN
 239 2012-03-02 07:21:08 <JFK911> diablo i came across your blog searching for freenode stuff i think
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 243 2012-03-02 07:24:22 <Diablo-D3> JFK911: hacker news, its a big site frequented by silicon valley startup people, pg owns it
 244 2012-03-02 07:27:28 <JFK911> ah
 245 2012-03-02 07:27:58 <Diablo-D3> pitching bitcoin at them is hilarious and sad at the same time
 246 2012-03-02 07:28:08 <Diablo-D3> something good happens to bitcoin, story is posted, no one upvotes
 247 2012-03-02 07:28:15 <Diablo-D3> something bad? goes straight to the top story list
 248 2012-03-02 07:28:35 <Diablo-D3> any positive comments? downvoted. negative? upvoted to hell and back
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 250 2012-03-02 07:29:35 <ThomasV> the slashdotting will hurt linode
 251 2012-03-02 07:29:57 <Diablo-D3> the HNing will hurt linode
 252 2012-03-02 07:30:19 <Diablo-D3> people who make the business decisions on shit like "what vps company do we go with" read HN
 253 2012-03-02 07:31:06 <ThomasV> too
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 255 2012-03-02 07:32:37 <JFK911> this made slashdot? cool
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 272 2012-03-02 08:18:17 <_W_> Diablo-D3, downvoted, sorry.
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 275 2012-03-02 08:18:18 <Joric> upvoted, keep up
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 312 2012-03-02 10:27:03 <gribble> {"ticker":{"high":4.98888,"low":4.52,"avg":4.753394121,"vwap":4.757481615,"vol":104251,"last_all":4.65,"last_local":4.65,"last":4.65,"buy":4.65,"sell":4.65096}}
 313 2012-03-02 10:33:21 <ageis> can i downgrade to 0.5.2 from .6rc without corruption
 314 2012-03-02 10:35:04 <Diablo-D3> probably
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 327 2012-03-02 11:43:44 <wumpus> bitcoin services should seriously make a point of owning their own hardware
 328 2012-03-02 11:44:58 <wumpus> ageis: I suppose so, they are linked against the same bdb version
 329 2012-03-02 11:45:42 <ulhepaphlo> why did linode have a root backdoor into every customer's machine
 330 2012-03-02 11:47:38 <wumpus> convenience :/
 331 2012-03-02 11:47:57 <wumpus> you can reset your root password from the web management interface.. their customer support can do that too
 332 2012-03-02 11:48:41 <wumpus> might even have been social engineering -- we don't know
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 334 2012-03-02 11:50:43 <wumpus> my vps with linode was not compromised btw
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 336 2012-03-02 11:52:11 <wumpus> not that I have any wallets on it (in case anyone gets ideas )
 337 2012-03-02 11:52:39 <Graet> heh
 338 2012-03-02 11:54:15 <epscyl> it's a difficult problem to solve
 339 2012-03-02 11:54:34 <epscyl> you have to make your ip public to participate in the bitcoin network
 340 2012-03-02 11:54:46 <epscyl> of course savings should be kept offline
 341 2012-03-02 11:55:21 <epscyl> but services that need large amounts of bitcoin to be instantly acessable will always have this kind of problem
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 347 2012-03-02 12:01:48 <sipa> ageis: no
 348 2012-03-02 12:02:35 <sipa> 0.6 introduced compressed pubkeys
 349 2012-03-02 12:02:49 <sipa> 0.5.x doesn't understand them
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 403 2012-03-02 13:21:21 <ageis> sipa: worked fine
 404 2012-03-02 13:22:23 <justmoon> ageis: was the wallet originally created by the older version? maybe it never contained any compress pubkeys
 405 2012-03-02 13:22:27 <justmoon> compressed*
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 562 2012-03-02 17:07:02 <Joric> what are the last 4 bytes of the block?
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 564 2012-03-02 17:09:57 <Joric> gavinandresen, what's in the last 4 bytes of the each block?
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 566 2012-03-02 17:10:23 <gavinandresen> Joric: no idea, I'd have to look
 567 2012-03-02 17:10:55 <Joric> always the same number d9b4bef9
 568 2012-03-02 17:11:22 <luke-jr> unlikely :/
 569 2012-03-02 17:11:27 <luke-jr> pretty sure it's a locktime or such
 570 2012-03-02 17:11:53 <Joric> well maybe not the same i'm parsing first blocks
 571 2012-03-02 17:12:49 <Joric> blockchain starts from it as well
 572 2012-03-02 17:12:52 <luke-jr> hmm
 573 2012-03-02 17:13:03 <luke-jr> I don't know, maybe there was some experimenting done in the first blocks?
 574 2012-03-02 17:13:04 <Joric> maybe it's really first bytes )
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 578 2012-03-02 17:16:19 <Joric> moved it to the beginning
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 580 2012-03-02 17:16:54 <gavinandresen> d9b4... is the "between blocks" byte marker I think
 581 2012-03-02 17:17:16 <gavinandresen> (but again, I'd have to look, it just sounds familiar)
 582 2012-03-02 17:17:36 <Joric> it's d9b4bef9 + block1 + d9b4bef9 + block2 + ...
 583 2012-03-02 17:17:44 <gavinandresen> yup
 584 2012-03-02 17:18:21 <luke-jr> ah, in the bd?
 585 2012-03-02 17:18:22 <luke-jr> db*
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 587 2012-03-02 17:18:57 <Joric> in the blk0001.dat
 588 2012-03-02 17:19:08 <gavinandresen> testnet block database/protocol will be the same patter with one added to every byte
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 591 2012-03-02 17:25:47 <egecko> sorry to hear about the thefts :(  that's not good news to wake up to
 592 2012-03-02 17:26:40 <helo> at least the victims were bitcoin-wealthy, so ostensibly nobody suffers
 593 2012-03-02 17:28:31 <gavinandresen> It will happen again; there is still a lot of infrastructure and experience needed to get past the Wild West stagecoach robbery phase of bitcoin's development
 594 2012-03-02 17:29:04 <egecko> *nod* there is nothing that is hackproof
 595 2012-03-02 17:29:09 <luke-jr> helo: huh?
 596 2012-03-02 17:29:17 <luke-jr> rich losing all their money still means they're broke…
 597 2012-03-02 17:29:17 <Graet> egecko, ++
 598 2012-03-02 17:29:52 <egecko> seems like the best work around for now is to bounce your coins around and have them end up in a wallet that you keep on a thumb drive
 599 2012-03-02 17:30:15 <helo> luke-jr: i am assuming that wasn't nearly all of their money
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 601 2012-03-02 17:31:30 <helo> i would be astounded to find that they kept all of their money in hot wallets on a vps
 602 2012-03-02 17:35:27 <jrmithdobbs> egecko: that's basically what slush does and why it was only a subset of coins for him
 603 2012-03-02 17:35:45 <jrmithdobbs> i don't know details of the bitcoinica clusterfuck but i see another mybitcoin rising
 604 2012-03-02 17:36:10 <sipa> Joric: there's a foir byte marker between each two blocks in blk0001.dat
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 613 2012-03-02 17:57:28 <gavinandresen> pong
 614 2012-03-02 17:57:39 <luke-jr> 142e604 DoS fix for mapOrphanTransactions <-- is this a bugfix-bugfix, or more like the "disconnect bad peers" DoS stuff?
 615 2012-03-02 17:58:02 <gavinandresen> bug-fix bug-fix.  Fixes an exploitable DoS
 616 2012-03-02 17:58:53 <luke-jr> any potential negative effects?
 617 2012-03-02 17:59:20 <gavinandresen> Should be safe, but any code change has potential negative effects
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 619 2012-03-02 17:59:45 <luke-jr> right, but I mean it won't possibly by-design cause legit transactions to be ignored in some cases?
 620 2012-03-02 17:59:53 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: no
 621 2012-03-02 18:00:01 <luke-jr> k ty
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 628 2012-03-02 18:10:14 <sytse> http://bitcoinmedia.com/compromised-linode-coins-stolen-from-slush-faucet-and-others/ <-- this gives me an idea.. wouldn't it be an excellent idea to implement cancellations, that can be sent for unconfirmed transactions?
 629 2012-03-02 18:10:18 <sytse> 'This morning I received an emergency SMS notification that my pool’s bitcoin balance was low. I started investigating and the chain of events turned up strange anomalies. I then noticed 3094 BTC moving out of the pool wallet. I could only sit helpless as the money got confirmed by the network.'
 630 2012-03-02 18:11:53 <sytse> possibly with a lock bit, that can be set to lock bitcoins in place for say, a week, so that an arbitrator can get involved to resolve the ownership question
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 632 2012-03-02 18:14:25 <helo> sytse: sounds like a good way to help someone pull off a double spend
 633 2012-03-02 18:14:48 <sytse> although now that I think about it, some explicit way of facilitating arbitration of ownership of bitcoins with multiple people holding private keys would be needed, with the network being capable of confirming concurrent claims of the same bitcoins and associate them with a different keypair each, which would possibly enable a longer period of arbitration than a week
 634 2012-03-02 18:15:11 <sytse> helo: no, the lock request would have to get confirmed as well
 635 2012-03-02 18:15:50 <gavinandresen> sytse: multisig with one key held by a service that did all that is simpler.
 636 2012-03-02 18:16:35 <sytse> helo: so when the owner puts a lock on some bitcoins after say, 5 confirmations, 6 additional blocks would be needed to confirm the lock, and in the intervening time nothing could happen with those bitcoins
 637 2012-03-02 18:17:10 <sytse> helo: the risk is more in the human factor; people assuming '5 confirmations is secure enough for me' or even putting less confirmations than 6 into the code
 638 2012-03-02 18:17:21 <sytse> +of some bitcoin client
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 640 2012-03-02 18:18:00 <denisx> I would like to have bitcoind two passwords, one for access and the other more secure for sending money
 641 2012-03-02 18:18:35 <sytse> gavinandresen: well, you'd still need a system where only possession of the original private key would enable someone to claim the bitcoins
 642 2012-03-02 18:18:45 <gavinandresen> denisx: encrypt your wallet and you have that
 643 2012-03-02 18:18:47 <sytse> vetted by the network, not by a third party
 644 2012-03-02 18:19:51 <gavinandresen> sytse: why?  The service could send you a paper copy of the master key that they use to counter-sign your transactions.
 645 2012-03-02 18:20:33 <gavinandresen> (more likely, paper copy of the "root" key used to generate a deterministic set of keys.....)
 646 2012-03-02 18:21:19 <gavinandresen> sytse: it is all about key management, who has what keys, how long are they good for, and how hard is it to hack into (whatever) to get them.
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 648 2012-03-02 18:23:57 <sytse> gavinandresen: that is true, but still, people are going to make security mistakes
 649 2012-03-02 18:24:18 <sytse> gavinandresen: (such as hosting any amount of bitcoins on a third-party hosting provider instead of keeping them all securely in-house)
 650 2012-03-02 18:25:40 <gavinandresen> sytse: you're still thinking of bitcoins as a monolithic thing.  It is all about what keys are required to spend them, who has access to those keys when, etc....
 651 2012-03-02 18:26:01 <sytse> a way to at least prevent theft of those bitcoins if you're quick enough wouldn't do any harm and be quite beneficial to the bitcoin community as a whole imho, and could even potentially reduce attempted theft on hosted bitcoins a little when it becomes clear that doesn't work anymore in the majority of cases
 652 2012-03-02 18:27:16 <gavinandresen> sytse: again, multisig is a simpler way of getting all of those properties.
 653 2012-03-02 18:27:46 <sytse> gavinandresen: yes, I'm aware of that. I'm talking about blocking transactions, which would put the bitcoins in that transaction into limbo until the dispute is resolved (or until nobody or just one person submits the key required to spend the bitcoins to the network with a new key to identify the true owner/spender in the limited amount of time they're given to do so])
 654 2012-03-02 18:28:10 <sytse> true, multisig would be simpler
 655 2012-03-02 18:28:27 <sytse> although that in turn exposes you to additional risk
 656 2012-03-02 18:29:03 <sytse> if that third party holding the second key explodes in a hail of fire
 657 2012-03-02 18:29:11 <sytse> suddenly all of those bitcoins are lost forever
 658 2012-03-02 18:29:42 <sytse> the only difference with the current situation when you simply *give* the bitcoins to a third party to keep, would be that there's no financial gain in doing so
 659 2012-03-02 18:29:48 <sytse> which is an advantage
 660 2012-03-02 18:29:59 <helo> sytse: see the paper copy comment above by gavin
 661 2012-03-02 18:30:18 <sytse> but we've seen that it's possible (and probably will happen again) that simple human error will result in a lost wallet
 662 2012-03-02 18:30:43 <sytse> helo: hm, good point
 663 2012-03-02 18:30:53 <sytse> but less flexible
 664 2012-03-02 18:31:03 <sytse> and it costs money
 665 2012-03-02 18:32:12 <helo> a bargain in many cases :)
 666 2012-03-02 18:32:31 <sytse> compared to risk
 667 2012-03-02 18:32:32 <sytse> yes
 668 2012-03-02 18:32:48 <sytse> but still, not everyone is going to go for that
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 670 2012-03-02 18:34:28 <sytse> and a hot wallet would get way more complex if you'd want to create a truly secure way to interface with a third party holding the second keys, which wouldn't be accessible to an attacker gaining root access on the machine hosting the hot wallet
 671 2012-03-02 18:34:39 <mndrix> i'm working on a patch to facilitate debug.log rotation. will this function leak memory or do other bad things I should avoid? https://gist.github.com/1960246
 672 2012-03-02 18:34:44 <sytse> I don't see a trivial way to do so
 673 2012-03-02 18:34:46 <mndrix> my C++ knowledge is paltry
 674 2012-03-02 18:35:27 <sytse> although what you'd probably do is host two hot wallets on different hosting services
 675 2012-03-02 18:35:37 <sytse> and not rely on a third party
 676 2012-03-02 18:36:01 <sytse> but still, twice as expensive and a lot more complex
 677 2012-03-02 18:36:29 <sytse> am I rambling now or do I have a point? :P
 678 2012-03-02 18:37:45 <sytse> (my point being that assuming fallibility of any security and implementing a measure which could help mitigate full security compromise which has already happened, would probably be a good thing if done correctly)
 679 2012-03-02 18:38:39 <gavinandresen> mndrix: debug.log rotation is much harder than it looks; I shot myself in the foot trying to implement it 18 months or so ago
 680 2012-03-02 18:39:04 <gavinandresen> mndrix: the hard bit is it has to be thread-safe, and has to work during shutdown
 681 2012-03-02 18:39:38 <gavinandresen> mndrix: it is very easy to run into race conditions with threads using already-closed file pointers.
 682 2012-03-02 18:40:13 <mndrix> gavinandresen: it's certainly my C++ ignorance making me think freopen() would do the job then
 683 2012-03-02 18:40:31 <gavinandresen> mndrix: ... and you can't use CRITICAL_SECTION because writes are done to debug.log during startup/shutdown, when the CRITICAL_SECTION machinery either hasn't fully initialized or has already shutdown
 684 2012-03-02 18:41:28 <gavinandresen> freopen isn't suffcient, you'll get random once-in-a-blue-moon crashes as threads get interrupted at exactly the wrong time and try to use a freopene'd FILE*
 685 2012-03-02 18:42:08 <mndrix> does flock interact poorly with freopen?
 686 2012-03-02 18:43:14 <gavinandresen> mndrix: dunno.   The workaround for all that is to use logrotate(8) to rotate your logs
 687 2012-03-02 18:43:46 <gavinandresen> mndrix: ... with the copytruncate option
 688 2012-03-02 18:44:24 <mndrix> gavinandresen: thanks for the tip
 689 2012-03-02 18:45:15 <mndrix> i may play with the flock approach and see how it fares on my test machines
 690 2012-03-02 18:45:22 <mndrix> for personal education, as much as anything
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 699 2012-03-02 19:18:43 <copumpkin> sounds like someone should use the duplicate txn attack to destroy the coins that were stolen :)
 700 2012-03-02 19:19:18 <luke-jr> copumpkin: …
 701 2012-03-02 19:20:11 <luke-jr> on that topic, it's very important Linode reimburses at least Bitcoinica
 702 2012-03-02 19:20:20 <copumpkin> not going to happen
 703 2012-03-02 19:20:23 <copumpkin> 200 grand?
 704 2012-03-02 19:20:25 <luke-jr> that much volume can crash the market
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 706 2012-03-02 19:20:38 <copumpkin> ;;market sell 44000
 707 2012-03-02 19:20:40 <gribble> A market order to sell 44000 bitcoins right now would net 196490.8098 USD and would take the last price down to 4.2120 USD.
 708 2012-03-02 19:20:56 <luke-jr> O.O
 709 2012-03-02 19:20:59 <luke-jr> we're doing that well?
 710 2012-03-02 19:21:01 <luke-jr> nice
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 712 2012-03-02 19:21:10 <Joric> ;;market sell 200000
 713 2012-03-02 19:21:11 <gribble> A market order to sell 200000 bitcoins right now would net 724775.4649 USD and would take the last price down to 2.1100 USD.
 714 2012-03-02 19:21:14 * copumpkin beams with pride at his gribble plugin :)
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 717 2012-03-02 19:24:05 <ulyedalplo> the pumpkin has landed
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 723 2012-03-02 19:34:26 <copumpkin> luke-jr: what worries me is that the address the stolen coins got sent to has way more coins in it than have been reported stolen
 724 2012-03-02 19:34:48 <copumpkin> 150k or so when someone linked to it yesterday
 725 2012-03-02 19:35:05 <luke-jr> copumpkin: Linode said 8 clients
 726 2012-03-02 19:35:12 <luke-jr> I only heard of 3 that are public
 727 2012-03-02 19:35:14 <copumpkin> yeah
 728 2012-03-02 19:35:23 <luke-jr> so that's 5 unknowns
 729 2012-03-02 19:35:25 <copumpkin> makes me wonder who else has loads of coins and hosts on linode
 730 2012-03-02 19:35:36 <ulyedalplo> holy crap copumpkin
 731 2012-03-02 19:35:46 <ulyedalplo> the biggest heist in bitcoin history?
 732 2012-03-02 19:36:33 <copumpkin> well, nobody knows :) it could be the coins made their way into an SR (or other shady underground site) common account and that's why they're piled up with a bunch more coins that are unrelated to the heist
 733 2012-03-02 19:36:36 <Joric> linode said 8 clients all bitcoin-related, sounds like crap
 734 2012-03-02 19:36:39 <copumpkin> or the other 5 accounts had huge losses, too
 735 2012-03-02 19:36:44 <copumpkin> who can say
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 737 2012-03-02 19:37:38 <ThomasV_> negative fees: http://www.blockchain.info/charts/transaction-fees?showDataPoints=false&show_header=true&daysAverageString=1&timespan=&scale=0&address=
 738 2012-03-02 19:38:14 <ulyedalplo> theyre calling it the biggest heist in bitcoin history
 739 2012-03-02 19:39:08 <Joric> saying all those accounts were bitcoin-related is just the easier way to cop out
 740 2012-03-02 19:41:17 <nanotube> ThomasV_: bet blockchain.info is just borked...
 741 2012-03-02 19:41:33 <ThomasV_> borked..
 742 2012-03-02 19:41:36 <ulyedalplo> http://blockchain.info/tx-index/2893660/d9804de366aa4c2a01565c3a3c8aa2ea20baafc276dc875f80b9044841205333
 743 2012-03-02 19:41:42 <nanotube> ulyedalplo: ok well, mybitcoin was definitely a much bigger heist :P
 744 2012-03-02 19:41:44 <ulyedalplo> the hacker is taunting bitcoin - the transaction is 1337 bytes
 745 2012-03-02 19:42:05 <nanotube> could be just a coincidence
 746 2012-03-02 19:42:18 <graingert> nanotube: can you tell if extra data was included on purpose?
 747 2012-03-02 19:42:55 <ThomasV_> it looks standard
 748 2012-03-02 19:42:59 <nanotube> graingert: at first glance, looks like a standard tx without any extra data
 749 2012-03-02 19:43:09 <graingert> nanotube: got a raw block?
 750 2012-03-02 19:43:14 <graingert> tx*
 751 2012-03-02 19:43:38 <nanotube> graingert: no, i just clicked the 'show scripts and coinbase' link on the right
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 753 2012-03-02 19:43:41 <graingert> ash
 754 2012-03-02 19:43:46 <graingert> ah*
 755 2012-03-02 19:43:52 <nanotube> not sure if bc.info shows the whole raw block in json like bbe does...
 756 2012-03-02 19:44:06 <ulyedalplo> look at the fee
 757 2012-03-02 19:44:08 <ulyedalplo> 0.08896600
 758 2012-03-02 19:44:43 <ThomasV_> it's not the fee
 759 2012-03-02 19:44:50 <ThomasV_> fee is zero
 760 2012-03-02 19:45:52 <ulyedalplo> yes not the fee
 761 2012-03-02 19:46:01 <ulyedalplo> it was an added tx whose only purpose was to hit 1337 bytes
 762 2012-03-02 19:46:43 <graingert> no it just makes 25,000 BTC round
 763 2012-03-02 19:46:56 <ThomasV_> it's the change
 764 2012-03-02 19:46:58 <graingert> and sends 0.088966 BTC to change
 765 2012-03-02 19:47:17 <ulyedalplo> change for who?
 766 2012-03-02 19:47:23 * luke-jr facepalms
 767 2012-03-02 19:47:26 <graingert> his own wallet
 768 2012-03-02 19:47:28 <sytse> for whom
 769 2012-03-02 19:47:45 <sytse> ;p
 770 2012-03-02 19:47:54 <ulyedalplo> theres no need to make change if he's the only recipient
 771 2012-03-02 19:47:59 <luke-jr> ulyedalplo: if someone sends you 5 BTC, you can't just send 3 BTC of it
 772 2012-03-02 19:48:09 <graingert> ulyedalplo: yes but it makes 25,000 round
 773 2012-03-02 19:48:15 <luke-jr> ulyedalplo: you have to send the whole 5 BTC, with 2 BTC going back to yourself
 774 2012-03-02 19:48:26 <ulyedalplo> why does he care if its round or not?
 775 2012-03-02 19:48:34 <graingert> which is more liekly?
 776 2012-03-02 19:48:37 <graingert> likely*
 777 2012-03-02 19:48:51 <graingert> he wanted 1337 and it happened to round to 25k
 778 2012-03-02 19:49:06 <graingert> or he wanted 25k and it happened to round to 1337
 779 2012-03-02 19:49:09 <ulyedalplo> obviously he intended both
 780 2012-03-02 19:49:34 <graingert> but he only took money from stolen wallets
 781 2012-03-02 19:49:56 <graingert> buh
 782 2012-03-02 19:49:59 <graingert> hang on
 783 2012-03-02 19:50:04 <graingert> 131FBNVNsbzNwdh6uem9S9UBME3oiyiKT7 (1.947251 BTC - Output)
 784 2012-03-02 19:50:07 <sytse> ulyedalplo: uh
 785 2012-03-02 19:50:07 <graingert> maybe?
 786 2012-03-02 19:50:10 <sytse> ulyedalplo: yes, there is
 787 2012-03-02 19:50:22 <graingert> I'm now unsure
 788 2012-03-02 19:50:31 <ulyedalplo> whats that graingert
 789 2012-03-02 19:50:33 <sytse> ulyedalplo: if you send 25 round BTC to yourself or somebody else
 790 2012-03-02 19:50:50 <ulyedalplo> sytse: he's the thief. hes just consolidating his coins
 791 2012-03-02 19:50:54 <sytse> ulyedalplo: and you don't have transactions totalling exactly 25 BTC
 792 2012-03-02 19:50:56 <graingert> ulyedalplo: I think it's more likely that he wanted 25k and it happned to be 1337
 793 2012-03-02 19:50:59 <sytse> ulyedalplo: you'll need to send some change to yourself
 794 2012-03-02 19:51:07 <graingert> but it could be the other way around
 795 2012-03-02 19:51:11 <graingert> or both
 796 2012-03-02 19:51:19 <sytse> um, 25kBTC
 797 2012-03-02 19:51:25 <graingert> but the simpler explanation is 25kBTC
 798 2012-03-02 19:51:41 <graingert> was chosen
 799 2012-03-02 19:51:52 <graingert> and the other values were as a result of that choice
 800 2012-03-02 19:52:03 <graingert> but you can't know for sure
 801 2012-03-02 19:52:06 * nanotube bets that 25k was the choice variable, too.
 802 2012-03-02 19:52:06 <sytse> 25kBTC is a pretty 'elite' amount of bitcoins to be sending around anyway though :)
 803 2012-03-02 19:52:14 <nanotube> sytse: lol indeed
 804 2012-03-02 19:52:36 <graingert> I'd put 2bitcoin on it
 805 2012-03-02 19:52:55 <nanotube> graingert: haha if we ever catch the guy, we can put the question to him eh?
 806 2012-03-02 19:52:56 <graingert> but even if the guy comes out and says - you can't tell it isn't just a lie
 807 2012-03-02 19:53:05 <nanotube> yea that too
 808 2012-03-02 19:53:34 <ulyedalplo> well if you look at one the inputs
 809 2012-03-02 19:53:35 <ulyedalplo> http://blockexplorer.com/address/1NRy8GbX56MymBhDYMyqsNKwW9VupqKVG7
 810 2012-03-02 19:53:50 <ulyedalplo> he just took 28 btc out of a wallet with 2109.2 btc. an odd amount
 811 2012-03-02 19:54:21 <graingert> sent using a telephone from Portugal
 812 2012-03-02 19:54:51 <graingert> oh they do fixed internet too at that host
 813 2012-03-02 19:55:32 <ulyedalplo> i think he knew he needed 7 inputs to get close to 1337 bytes, so he took odd amounts from the input addresses (28 btc from a 2109.2 btc wallet etc) to make a nice round number
 814 2012-03-02 19:55:45 <ulyedalplo> and the fractional part just went to change
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 816 2012-03-02 19:57:03 <ulyedalplo> the 1337 is intentional. otherwise he wouldve emptied out the inputs. why take 28 btc from one address?
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 818 2012-03-02 19:58:13 <ulyedalplo> http://blockexplorer.com/tx/d9804de366aa4c2a01565c3a3c8aa2ea20baafc276dc875f80b9044841205333
 819 2012-03-02 19:58:23 <ulyedalplo> the same input address is listed twice. 3094 and 28
 820 2012-03-02 19:58:37 <ulyedalplo> afaik no client does that... it would just combine them into 3122
 821 2012-03-02 19:59:09 <graingert> those are two previous outputs for the same address
 822 2012-03-02 19:59:10 <sytse> ulyedalplo: or it could be an artifact of an automated system that routinely moves large amounts of money around for customers like mtgox
 823 2012-03-02 19:59:43 <graingert> Previous output (index) does not merge into one from address
 824 2012-03-02 20:00:23 <sytse> ulyedalplo: seems likely given the timing of the transactions
 825 2012-03-02 20:00:40 <sytse> (erratic but quite a few over less than a day)
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 827 2012-03-02 20:02:11 <luke-jr> ulyedalplo: you clearly don't understand how Bitcoin works
 828 2012-03-02 20:02:18 <ulyedalplo> clearly i do
 829 2012-03-02 20:02:25 <luke-jr> you can't list inputs twice
 830 2012-03-02 20:02:30 <sytse> ulyedalplo: could be someone decided to withdraw exactly 25kBTC and told mtgox to use a 'green' address, so it had to collect money from several accounts
 831 2012-03-02 20:02:33 <luke-jr> and Bitcoin doesn't work with addresses and balances
 832 2012-03-02 20:02:54 <ulyedalplo> its true you cant list inputs twice
 833 2012-03-02 20:03:02 <ulyedalplo> but bitcoin does work with "addresses"
 834 2012-03-02 20:03:05 <ulyedalplo> dont be ridiculous
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 836 2012-03-02 20:03:37 <luke-jr> addresses are a high-level abstraction
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 838 2012-03-02 20:03:45 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: ltnc
 839 2012-03-02 20:03:53 <ulyedalplo> they are part of the protocol
 840 2012-03-02 20:03:58 <[Tycho]> What ?
 841 2012-03-02 20:04:01 <sytse> hmmm
 842 2012-03-02 20:04:02 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: long time no chat
 843 2012-03-02 20:04:06 <sytse> what's weird though
 844 2012-03-02 20:04:10 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: are you going to deploy BIP 16, or give 17 more time?
 845 2012-03-02 20:04:21 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: more importantly, what about the security issue?
 846 2012-03-02 20:04:26 <ulyedalplo> luke-jr: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Address
 847 2012-03-02 20:04:28 <ulyedalplo> read up son
 848 2012-03-02 20:04:30 <[Tycho]> I don't see BIP17 support increasing.
 849 2012-03-02 20:04:34 <sytse> is how every source address sends exactly 0.088966 BTC to 113ym88TLsNUgQomGpVP97K1kwVLGk5r7V as well
 850 2012-03-02 20:04:42 <[Tycho]> Actually BIP16 support stopped growing too.
 851 2012-03-02 20:04:46 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: have you looked?
 852 2012-03-02 20:04:53 <[Tycho]> Looked at what ?
 853 2012-03-02 20:04:57 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: BIP support
 854 2012-03-02 20:05:00 <sytse> this looks like software that has a fetish for 0.088966 BTC :D
 855 2012-03-02 20:05:03 <luke-jr> 17
 856 2012-03-02 20:05:12 <[Tycho]> I just remember looking at the pie chart some days ago.
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 858 2012-03-02 20:05:22 <luke-jr> piuk's pie chart sucks, and doesn't show BIP 17 at all
 859 2012-03-02 20:05:26 <[Tycho]> Are you talking about Linode or the double coinbase issue ?
 860 2012-03-02 20:05:27 <ulyedalplo> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/protocol.h
 861 2012-03-02 20:05:31 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: doublecoinbase
 862 2012-03-02 20:05:33 <sytse> oh wait
 863 2012-03-02 20:05:33 <sytse> no
 864 2012-03-02 20:05:34 <lianj> ulyedalplo: "A bitcoin address is in fact the hash of a ECDSA public key" read up better
 865 2012-03-02 20:05:34 <sytse> nvm
 866 2012-03-02 20:05:42 <[Tycho]> Yes.
 867 2012-03-02 20:05:53 <ulyedalplo> lianj: that doesn't contradict anything i said. lmao. but keep cut&pasting
 868 2012-03-02 20:06:17 <ulyedalplo> lianj: the question is whether addresses are used in the protocol. THAT IS WHAT AN ADDRESS IS YOU JACKASS
 869 2012-03-02 20:06:18 <lianj> ulyedalplo: on the wire protocol, an "address" is never transmitted
 870 2012-03-02 20:06:36 <sytse> this does look like a 'green address' mtgox withdraw, plain and simple
 871 2012-03-02 20:06:39 <ulyedalplo> yes it is you buffoon. THATS THE DESTINATION IN A STANDARD TX
 872 2012-03-02 20:06:44 <ulyedalplo> just stfu lianj
 873 2012-03-02 20:06:56 <lianj> wow, youre friendly
 874 2012-03-02 20:06:56 <helo> at least it's not getting personal
 875 2012-03-02 20:07:06 * midnightmagic peers at ulyedalplo 
 876 2012-03-02 20:07:10 <ageis> ulyedalplo: luke-jr says you clearly don't understand how Bitcoin works. I trust luke-jr.
 877 2012-03-02 20:07:16 <graingert> ulyedalplo: bitcoin works on previous outpoints
 878 2012-03-02 20:07:25 <graingert> outputs*
 879 2012-03-02 20:07:42 <ulyedalplo> oh yeah?
 880 2012-03-02 20:07:52 <ulyedalplo> your moms friendly too
 881 2012-03-02 20:08:19 <ulyedalplo> graingert: theres an output too, which refs an address in a std tx
 882 2012-03-02 20:08:37 <ulyedalplo> otherwise no one would be able to redeem their fucking coins
 883 2012-03-02 20:08:39 <ulyedalplo> jeezus
 884 2012-03-02 20:09:27 <graingert> but inputs can't be merged without a transaction
 885 2012-03-02 20:09:55 <ulyedalplo> yes
 886 2012-03-02 20:11:36 <luke-jr> ulyedalplo: it's impossible to say "I am spending 5 BTC from address 1ibjrt…"
 887 2012-03-02 20:11:38 <ulyedalplo> can you find another tx that's 1337 bytes?
 888 2012-03-02 20:11:48 <luke-jr> I bet there's a lot.
 889 2012-03-02 20:12:29 <ulyedalplo> luke-jr: actually you can. all that means, obviously, is that you are redeeming a std tx sent to address 1ibjrt.
 890 2012-03-02 20:12:49 <midnightmagic> ulyedalplo: did you know that your nickname is an anagram for "loudly plea"?
 891 2012-03-02 20:12:55 <ulyedalplo> i did
 892 2012-03-02 20:13:35 <midnightmagic> also palely loud..
 893 2012-03-02 20:13:47 <luke-jr> ulyedalplo: no, you can't.
 894 2012-03-02 20:13:54 <ulyedalplo> luke-jr: yes you can. learn 2 english
 895 2012-03-02 20:14:21 <luke-jr> ulyedalplo: you can only say "I am spending a specific 5 BTC output at ffabc01234567:0, using key abdbdbce"
 896 2012-03-02 20:14:29 <lianj> luke-jr: quit nitpicking, just leave him with that thought ;)
 897 2012-03-02 20:14:52 <graingert> lianj: no it's important as he made a mistake on how a tx was constructed
 898 2012-03-02 20:14:55 <ulyedalplo> luke-jr: thats saying something different
 899 2012-03-02 20:15:01 <luke-jr> ulyedalplo: my point exactly.
 900 2012-03-02 20:15:02 <graingert> ulyedalplo: it is indeed
 901 2012-03-02 20:15:10 <graingert> ulyedalplo: and the only thing that can be said
 902 2012-03-02 20:15:34 <ulyedalplo> graingert: completely false. the first statement is semantically valid and completely understandable
 903 2012-03-02 20:15:36 <ulyedalplo> theres no ambiguity
 904 2012-03-02 20:15:51 <graingert> ulyedalplo: yes but the bitcoin protocol does not allow it
 905 2012-03-02 20:16:00 <ulyedalplo> graingert: the bitcoin protocol doesn't understand english
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 907 2012-03-02 20:16:15 <graingert> buh
 908 2012-03-02 20:16:34 <graingert> Poe
 909 2012-03-02 20:16:36 <ulyedalplo> saying "these coins are from address xyz" has an obvious and distinct meaning.
 910 2012-03-02 20:16:50 <graingert> yes, but it cannot be formulated in bitcoin language
 911 2012-03-02 20:16:59 <ulyedalplo> saying "these coins are from input xyz" has an obvious and distinct meaning, separate from the first
 912 2012-03-02 20:17:01 <graingert> you can only specify a previous output
 913 2012-03-02 20:17:18 <graingert> not a previous address
 914 2012-03-02 20:17:21 <ulyedalplo> graingert: of course it can be translated into a formal statement. its a mathematical observation about the relationship between properties of transactions
 915 2012-03-02 20:17:38 <graingert> sure formal, but not bitcoin
 916 2012-03-02 20:17:46 <ulyedalplo> graingert: you are confusing logical implications (which address) with the format of the tx packet
 917 2012-03-02 20:18:00 <graingert> we are talking about the format of the tx packet
 918 2012-03-02 20:18:13 <ulyedalplo> maybe you are. bitcoin is a lot more than the syntax of one command
 919 2012-03-02 20:18:26 <sytse> simply because you brought that format up ulyedalplo
 920 2012-03-02 20:18:29 <sytse> 21:06:08 < ulyedalplo> lianj: the question is whether addresses are used in the protocol. THAT IS WHAT AN ADDRESS IS YOU JACKASS
 921 2012-03-02 20:18:31 <ulyedalplo> if you meant that, you should've qualified your statement
 922 2012-03-02 20:18:44 <ulyedalplo> sytse: which is correct.
 923 2012-03-02 20:18:49 <graingert> and why you can have two identical addresses listed on the input side
 924 2012-03-02 20:18:51 <ulyedalplo> addresses are used in std tx's
 925 2012-03-02 20:19:07 <lianj> "i have the private key, with which i make an into script, to evaluate this previous transaction output script to true"
 926 2012-03-02 20:19:07 <ulyedalplo> you are confusing the output with the input
 927 2012-03-02 20:19:11 <graingert> and that the bitcoin client does not merge them
 928 2012-03-02 20:19:17 <lianj> s/into/input/
 929 2012-03-02 20:19:30 <sytse> if I read this discussion and the source code correctly, the addresses are -derived- from std tx's, not used in them?
 930 2012-03-02 20:19:59 <graingert> systse: yes, addresses have checksums and chain ID's
 931 2012-03-02 20:20:08 <graingert> std tx does not
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 936 2012-03-02 20:21:55 <sytse> doesn't really make a difference functionally though, as long as the constraints are kept valid by the network cryptographically
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 938 2012-03-02 20:22:13 <sytse> so I must say I fail to see the point in the whole discussion
 939 2012-03-02 20:22:15 <ulyedalplo> yes i was wrong about the 2 inputs merging
 940 2012-03-02 20:23:00 <ulyedalplo> im just pointing out that he picked the tx's deliberately to make 1337 bytes
 941 2012-03-02 20:23:17 <sytse> (except if it is to prove that ulyedalplo doesn't understand how bitcoin works, which appears to be working)
 942 2012-03-02 20:23:25 <graingert> no because those were the only outputs available to him
 943 2012-03-02 20:23:39 <ulyedalplo> sytse: you didnt even know how a tx is formed
 944 2012-03-02 20:23:47 <sytse> ulyedalplo: you could take any random result and pick something and say it's deliberate
 945 2012-03-02 20:23:48 <ulyedalplo> lol
 946 2012-03-02 20:23:50 <sytse> that doesn't make it so
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 948 2012-03-02 20:24:05 <ulyedalplo> sytse: sizes arent random
 949 2012-03-02 20:24:25 <sytse> they are if you factor in the human factor
 950 2012-03-02 20:24:32 <ulyedalplo> are you insane?
 951 2012-03-02 20:24:48 <sytse> in any given transaction, obviously sizes aren't random
 952 2012-03-02 20:24:53 <ulyedalplo> jsut stfu
 953 2012-03-02 20:25:15 <sytse> but they are distributed according to some statistical distribution, simply because many transactions are happening all the time for many different reasons and with many different amounts
 954 2012-03-02 20:25:25 <ulyedalplo> nothing you are saying is relevant
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 956 2012-03-02 20:25:56 <sytse> same to you, so how about we just end this pointless discussion, it isn't going anywhere anyway
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 960 2012-03-02 20:28:40 <ulyedalplo> "<luke-jr> and Bitcoin doesn't work with addresses "
 961 2012-03-02 20:28:47 <ulyedalplo> classssic
 962 2012-03-02 20:29:10 <sytse> very good work alienating everybody in this channel btw :-)
 963 2012-03-02 20:36:24 <ulyedalplo> dammit chin gig
 964 2012-03-02 20:36:25 <[Tycho]> luke-jr: is there any discussed deadline for this ?
 965 2012-03-02 20:38:40 <ulyedalplo> ahh it's a wonderful day
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 979 2012-03-02 21:23:43 <diki> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::bad_cast' what():  std::bad_cast
 980 2012-03-02 21:23:49 <diki> and this means...?
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 982 2012-03-02 21:24:18 <denisx> is possible to remove the encryption from a wallet?
 983 2012-03-02 21:24:20 <BlueMatt-mobile> You made a bad casr
 984 2012-03-02 21:24:24 <BlueMatt-mobile> Cast*
 985 2012-03-02 21:24:27 <diki> BlueMatt-mobile:I did not
 986 2012-03-02 21:24:31 <diki> Cause I use stock bitcoind
 987 2012-03-02 21:24:33 <BlueMatt-mobile> denisx no
 988 2012-03-02 21:24:45 <denisx> BlueMatt-mobile: not even with the password?
 989 2012-03-02 21:24:48 <BlueMatt-mobile> diki ok, bitcoin made a baf cast...
 990 2012-03-02 21:24:52 <BlueMatt-mobile> denisx nope
 991 2012-03-02 21:24:57 <denisx> ok
 992 2012-03-02 21:25:15 <diki> PSJ is somehow causing the crash
 993 2012-03-02 21:25:21 <BlueMatt-mobile> diki any chance you can attach gdb?
 994 2012-03-02 21:25:28 <BlueMatt-mobile> Psj?
 995 2012-03-02 21:25:32 <diki> poolserverj
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 997 2012-03-02 21:25:41 <diki> When I use it, it crashes it
 998 2012-03-02 21:25:46 <BlueMatt-mobile> Does that rpc into bitcoind?
 999 2012-03-02 21:25:50 <diki> I am assuming its from the spam of rpc commands
1000 2012-03-02 21:26:03 <BlueMatt-mobile> Hmmmm... are you on win32?
1001 2012-03-02 21:26:10 <diki> well yeah
1002 2012-03-02 21:26:15 <diki> but I do have gdb
1003 2012-03-02 21:26:22 <BlueMatt-mobile> Damn these windows rpc bugs...
1004 2012-03-02 21:26:32 <BlueMatt-mobile> diki what version?
1005 2012-03-02 21:26:49 <BlueMatt-mobile> Also hang on let me get you a debugable copy...
1006 2012-03-02 21:26:49 <diki> not extremely the latest, but I doubt the new one will fix this: 0.5.1
1007 2012-03-02 21:27:18 <BlueMatt-mobile> Hmm, doubt it too (though you should try to use the latest version)
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1009 2012-03-02 21:28:34 <BlueMatt-mobile> diki can you try with the bitcoin-qt from http://dl.dropbox.com/u/29653426/bitcoin-qt.zip
1010 2012-03-02 21:28:52 <diki> why is it so big?
1011 2012-03-02 21:28:56 <BlueMatt-mobile> Diki (in gdb), oh actually were you using bitcoind or qt?
1012 2012-03-02 21:29:11 <BlueMatt-mobile> diki mind leaving answers with gribble via later tell t
1013 2012-03-02 21:29:27 <BlueMatt-mobile> Im about to get on an airplane for like 10 hours
1014 2012-03-02 21:29:33 <diki> ok then
1015 2012-03-02 21:29:43 <BlueMatt-mobile> Its huge because of all the debug symbols
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1017 2012-03-02 21:31:07 <diki> and I was using bitcoind, yes
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1019 2012-03-02 21:37:12 <Joric> just started https://github.com/joric/pyblockchain
1020 2012-03-02 21:38:10 <diki> why in python?
1021 2012-03-02 21:38:54 <jrmithdobbs> diki: not all of us are uncomplaint c code copy/paste experts ok
1022 2012-03-02 21:39:04 <Joric> i have enough cpp at work
1023 2012-03-02 21:39:47 <diki> jrmithdobbs:why hello there jrmith
1024 2012-03-02 21:39:50 <diki> fancy seeing you here
1025 2012-03-02 21:40:10 <jrmithdobbs> you do?
1026 2012-03-02 21:40:19 <diki> no
1027 2012-03-02 21:40:23 <diki> it was sarcasm
1028 2012-03-02 21:40:23 <jrmithdobbs> all due respect, i don't swing that way
1029 2012-03-02 21:40:29 <jrmithdobbs> pitiful save
1030 2012-03-02 21:40:42 <diki> it's called, typing faster
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1032 2012-03-02 21:40:51 <diki> but before that, thinking!!!
1033 2012-03-02 21:41:42 <diki> not that I expect you to understand, though
1034 2012-03-02 21:41:49 <diki> You seem to be lacking in that quality
1035 2012-03-02 21:42:26 <diki> oh well, time to debug
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1077 2012-03-02 23:21:13 <RedEmerald> hey thomasv: http://ecdsa.org/bitcoin-alias/ is broke :(
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