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  8 2012-03-03 00:13:33 <midnightmagic> does anyone know if allinvain got his coins back?
  9 2012-03-03 00:15:00 <sipa> i never heard of such a thing
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 22 2012-03-03 00:46:34 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: why was lpdaskain banned? O.o
 23 2012-03-03 00:48:06 <gmaxwell> because he's that troll with a zillion names that operates mostly by feeding back technical arguments amongst us.
 24 2012-03-03 00:48:12 <luke-jr> o
 25 2012-03-03 00:48:42 <gmaxwell> (and go look in #bitcoin-otc if you have any doubt about my detection ... :-/ )
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 27 2012-03-03 00:50:10 <hyderu> i have seen gmaxwell say one thing adamantly, then the next day he changes his tune completely, without acknowledging the switch. it's odd
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 29 2012-03-03 00:52:39 <hyderu> its almost like his opinion is totally unreliable. heh
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 41 2012-03-03 01:15:09 <emukshi> dude are you serious
 42 2012-03-03 01:15:38 <emukshi> faflastafloon
 43 2012-03-03 01:15:44 <emukshi> haha
 44 2012-03-03 01:15:50 <emukshi> gmaxwell is Gregory F. Maxwell, 13055 Laurel Tree Ln, Apt. 403, Herndon, VA 20171, 386-864-1817, gmaxwell@gmail.com // gratuitous neckbeard action: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Gmaxwell-boat.jpg  // he's shacked up with kat walsh ( http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/54/Kwalsh_5929_small.jpg )
 45 2012-03-03 01:15:50 <emukshi> gmaxwell is a guy who spouts half-baked opinions on topics he doesn't understand like algorithmic complexity, etc. he applies a simple heuristic when he hears an idea - the more novel it seems to him, the more he resists. a lazy heuristic for a clueless, uneducated troll.
 46 2012-03-03 01:15:50 <emukshi> <gmaxwell> I can make k-sat problems that can be solve in polynomal time trivially  <-- lol, the guy has never heard of phase transitions in randomized k-sat. and he doesn't want to learn, because he's decided the topic is beyond his existing understanding. lol, it's basic theory.
 47 2012-03-03 01:15:50 <emukshi> i am pleased to announce that gmaxwell has been subscribed to even more notorious child porn sites, using his real name and address, and a prepaid card registered in his name and zip code. he's been signed up for email delivery too. hahaha. when the feds raid the site, as they always do, his name was will be front and center. hahahaha
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 50 2012-03-03 01:16:27 <emukshi> gmaxwell is Gregory F. Maxwell, 13055 Laurel Tree Ln, Apt. 403, Herndon, VA 20171, 386-864-1817, gmaxwell@gmail.com // gratuitous neckbeard action: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Gmaxwell-boat.jpg  // he's shacked up with kat walsh ( http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/54/Kwalsh_5929_small.jpg )
 51 2012-03-03 01:16:27 <emukshi> gmaxwell is a guy who spouts half-baked opinions on topics he doesn't understand like algorithmic complexity, etc. he applies a simple heuristic when he hears an idea - the more novel it seems to him, the more he resists. a lazy heuristic for a clueless, uneducated troll.
 52 2012-03-03 01:16:27 <emukshi> <gmaxwell> I can make k-sat problems that can be solve in polynomal time trivially  <-- lol, the guy has never heard of phase transitions in randomized k-sat. and he doesn't want to learn, because he's decided the topic is beyond his existing understanding. lol, it's basic theory.
 53 2012-03-03 01:16:27 <emukshi> i am pleased to announce that gmaxwell has been subscribed to even more notorious child porn sites, using his real name and address, and a prepaid card registered in his name and zip code. he's been signed up for email delivery too. hahaha. when the feds raid the site, as they always do, his name was will be front and center. hahahaha
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 56 2012-03-03 01:16:40 <emukshi> gmaxwell is Gregory F. Maxwell, 13055 Laurel Tree Ln, Apt. 403, Herndon, VA 20171, 386-864-1817, gmaxwell@gmail.com // gratuitous neckbeard action: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Gmaxwell-boat.jpg  // he's shacked up with kat walsh ( http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/54/Kwalsh_5929_small.jpg )
 57 2012-03-03 01:16:40 <emukshi> gmaxwell is a guy who spouts half-baked opinions on topics he doesn't understand like algorithmic complexity, etc. he applies a simple heuristic when he hears an idea - the more novel it seems to him, the more he resists. a lazy heuristic for a clueless, uneducated troll.
 58 2012-03-03 01:16:40 <emukshi> <gmaxwell> I can make k-sat problems that can be solve in polynomal time trivially  <-- lol, the guy has never heard of phase transitions in randomized k-sat. and he doesn't want to learn, because he's decided the topic is beyond his existing understanding. lol, it's basic theory.
 59 2012-03-03 01:16:40 <emukshi> i am pleased to announce that gmaxwell has been subscribed to even more notorious child porn sites, using his real name and address, and a prepaid card registered in his name and zip code. he's been signed up for email delivery too. hahaha. when the feds raid the site, as they always do, his name was will be front and center. hahahaha
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 62 2012-03-03 01:16:50 <emukshi> gmaxwell is Gregory F. Maxwell, 13055 Laurel Tree Ln, Apt. 403, Herndon, VA 20171, 386-864-1817, gmaxwell@gmail.com // gratuitous neckbeard action: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Gmaxwell-boat.jpg  // he's shacked up with kat walsh ( http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/54/Kwalsh_5929_small.jpg )
 63 2012-03-03 01:16:50 <emukshi> gmaxwell is a guy who spouts half-baked opinions on topics he doesn't understand like algorithmic complexity, etc. he applies a simple heuristic when he hears an idea - the more novel it seems to him, the more he resists. a lazy heuristic for a clueless, uneducated troll.
 64 2012-03-03 01:16:50 <emukshi> <gmaxwell> I can make k-sat problems that can be solve in polynomal time trivially  <-- lol, the guy has never heard of phase transitions in randomized k-sat. and he doesn't want to learn, because he's decided the topic is beyond his existing understanding. lol, it's basic theory.
 65 2012-03-03 01:16:50 <emukshi> i am pleased to announce that gmaxwell has been subscribed to even more notorious child porn sites, using his real name and address, and a prepaid card registered in his name and zip code. he's been signed up for email delivery too. hahaha. when the feds raid the site, as they always do, his name was will be front and center. hahahaha
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 68 2012-03-03 01:16:58 <emukshi> gmaxwell is Gregory F. Maxwell, 13055 Laurel Tree Ln, Apt. 403, Herndon, VA 20171, 386-864-1817, gmaxwell@gmail.com // gratuitous neckbeard action: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Gmaxwell-boat.jpg  // he's shacked up with kat walsh ( http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/54/Kwalsh_5929_small.jpg )
 69 2012-03-03 01:16:58 <emukshi> gmaxwell is a guy who spouts half-baked opinions on topics he doesn't understand like algorithmic complexity, etc. he applies a simple heuristic when he hears an idea - the more novel it seems to him, the more he resists. a lazy heuristic for a clueless, uneducated troll.
 70 2012-03-03 01:16:58 <emukshi> <gmaxwell> I can make k-sat problems that can be solve in polynomal time trivially  <-- lol, the guy has never heard of phase transitions in randomized k-sat. and he doesn't want to learn, because he's decided the topic is beyond his existing understanding. lol, it's basic theory.
 71 2012-03-03 01:16:58 <emukshi> i am pleased to announce that gmaxwell has been subscribed to even more notorious child porn sites, using his real name and address, and a prepaid card registered in his name and zip code. he's been signed up for email delivery too. hahaha. when the feds raid the site, as they always do, his name was will be front and center. hahahaha
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 74 2012-03-03 01:17:02 <emukshi> gmaxwell is Gregory F. Maxwell, 13055 Laurel Tree Ln, Apt. 403, Herndon, VA 20171, 386-864-1817, gmaxwell@gmail.com // gratuitous neckbeard action: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Gmaxwell-boat.jpg  // he's shacked up with kat walsh ( http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/54/Kwalsh_5929_small.jpg )
 75 2012-03-03 01:17:02 <emukshi> gmaxwell is a guy who spouts half-baked opinions on topics he doesn't understand like algorithmic complexity, etc. he applies a simple heuristic when he hears an idea - the more novel it seems to him, the more he resists. a lazy heuristic for a clueless, uneducated troll.
 76 2012-03-03 01:17:02 <emukshi> <gmaxwell> I can make k-sat problems that can be solve in polynomal time trivially  <-- lol, the guy has never heard of phase transitions in randomized k-sat. and he doesn't want to learn, because he's decided the topic is beyond his existing understanding. lol, it's basic theory.
 77 2012-03-03 01:17:02 <emukshi> i am pleased to announce that gmaxwell has been subscribed to even more notorious child porn sites, using his real name and address, and a prepaid card registered in his name and zip code. he's been signed up for email delivery too. hahaha. when the feds raid the site, as they always do, his name was will be front and center. hahahaha
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 81 2012-03-03 01:17:59 <zapati> someone had to call gmaxwell out on his bullshit i guess
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 97 2012-03-03 01:39:56 <gmaxwell_is_lazy> sup dawgs
 98 2012-03-03 01:40:00 <gmaxwell_is_lazy> man.. i guess ill start re-educating gmaxwell. trying to teach him that you can generate k-SAT problems of any desired difficulty. he seems to think there's no way to do it, since some instances are poly-time. he doesn't understand that the ratio of variables to clauses determines the difficulty factor.
 99 2012-03-03 01:40:00 <gmaxwell_is_lazy> http://toughsat.appspot.com/ - Welcome to ToughSAT. This site will generate boolean CNF formulas that encode "difficult" problems. For example, you can generate a boolean CNF formula whose satisfying assignment encodes non-trivial factors of an input number.
100 2012-03-03 01:40:01 <gmaxwell_is_lazy> Finding the satisfying assignment for this boolean formula is at least as hard as factoring the input number, a problem which is believed to be difficult for classical computers.
101 2012-03-03 01:40:01 <gmaxwell_is_lazy> anyway. gmax doesn't want to learn. he just wants to spout irrelevant nonsense in the guise of "analysis". does gmax even contribute to bitcoin? he only has 4 commits on github (2 from other people). why is he even listed as a core dev when his contributions are minimal? interesting. i guess spouting spurious nonsense on irc is his official role lol.
102 2012-03-03 01:40:02 <gmaxwell_is_lazy> hahaaha
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107 2012-03-03 01:45:38 <copumpkin> what a ridiculous thing to get so upset about
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109 2012-03-03 01:48:36 <jrmithdobbs> just found a fun error
110 2012-03-03 01:49:11 <jrmithdobbs> /Applications/Bitcoin-Qt.app/Contents/MacOS/Bitcoin-Qt -rescan -noirc -nolisten -connect=xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
111 2012-03-03 01:49:14 <jrmithdobbs> terminate called throwing an exceptionAbort trap: 6
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114 2012-03-03 01:52:00 <Joric> copumpkin, 'If it needs the key, the key must be stored on the server somewhere' - can be solved by long-term unlock from remote console eg. for 1 year but ofc it's not very handy
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116 2012-03-03 01:54:09 <Joric> depends on uptime )
117 2012-03-03 01:54:14 <theboxen> at least one device that authorizes the transactions has to be under your physical control
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121 2012-03-03 02:00:41 <jrmithdobbs> also why are dnsseeds getting polled with -noirc -nolisten -connect= ?!
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123 2012-03-03 02:01:33 <shangaroo> yes we are all bored of gmaxwell's non-stop trolling and technical incompetence. he is parked on irc and is a fountain of spurious comments. i don't know anyone who can take him half-way seriously.
124 2012-03-03 02:01:33 <shangaroo> Difficulty of solving 3-SAT problem as function of clause/variable ratio: http://www.isi.edu/~szekely/antsebook/ebook/institutions/altarum/images/3sathardness.gif
125 2012-03-03 02:01:33 <shangaroo> as everyone knows, theres a probabilistc curve in all SAT problems which guarantees that difficulty will match certain transition points in the ratio of claues to variables. (everyone except gmaxwell, i guess). if you want a harder problem you set the ratio in the appropriate range. the same applies to partial max-SAT (maximizing the number of satisfied clauses)
126 2012-03-03 02:01:33 <shangaroo> http://www.isi.edu/~szekely/antsebook/ebook/institutions/altarum/images/3sathardness.gif  http://ars.sciencedirect.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S0166218X05001708-gr2.jpg  etc  not hard to make the bitcoin work function be a pseudo-random k-SAT instance with the appropriate ratio of clauses to variables to make it the appropriate difficulty
127 2012-03-03 02:02:05 <shangaroo> the point being to spur the development of super-fast solvers. which people will do when theres a financial incentive to build awesome miners. those same solvers can be used for a zillion optimizations in industry from chip design to routing optimization
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129 2012-03-03 02:02:19 <shangaroo> gmaxwell = barnacle on the bitcoin ship
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133 2012-03-03 02:06:58 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: i thought you said blockchain download had gotten much faster?
134 2012-03-03 02:08:45 manuela_popescu is now known as mcotler
135 2012-03-03 02:12:21 <jrmithdobbs> the address book dialog from the sign message dialog is (very confusing to be 3 dialogs deep ugh) fubar on os x, can't read half the buttons at the bottom on english trans at least
136 2012-03-03 02:12:31 <jrmithdobbs> pictures are fucked up next to the buttons too
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138 2012-03-03 02:12:58 <jrmithdobbs> (rc2)
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145 2012-03-03 02:25:17 <hebulurg> "A seminal paper by Selman, Mitchell and Levesque considered the empirical performance of DPLL-type solvers running on uniform-random-SAT instances. It found a strong correlation between the instance's hardness and the ratio of the number of clauses to the number of variables in the instance... This well-publicized finding led to increased enthusiasm for the idea of studying algorithm
146 2012-03-03 02:25:17 <hebulurg> performance experimentally, using the same tools as are used to study natural phenomena."
147 2012-03-03 02:25:17 <hebulurg> "SAT has become a primary platform for the investigation of average-case and empirical complexity..." the hardest region in 3-sat is when the ratio of claues to variables is ~4.26. after that, most instances are unsatisfiable (but partial MAX-sat is still possible of course). hence its the phase transition point.
148 2012-03-03 02:25:17 <hebulurg> no one has proved theoretically that hardness follows that curve, but its an empirical fact, just like the empirical hardness of generating sha-256 collisions. if you wanted to replace bitcoin's sha256 work function with partial max k-sat, you could easily do it. randomly generate a new instance for each block. seed the prng with the hash of the previous block, and make sure it uses the
149 2012-03-03 02:25:17 <hebulurg> right clause-to-variable ratio. include a function based on current empirical estimates to determine the ratio.
150 2012-03-03 02:25:38 <hebulurg> http://robotics.stanford.edu/~shoham/www%20papers/CP04randomsat.pdf good background on it
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153 2012-03-03 02:30:51 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: wow this is still catching up 40 minutes later :(
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155 2012-03-03 02:31:34 <gmaxwell> jrmithdobbs: it's still slow unless you're on something that ignores fsync, e.g. tmpfs.
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157 2012-03-03 02:32:31 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: this is going to an ssd
158 2012-03-03 02:32:55 <gmaxwell> jrmithdobbs: doesn't matter much (and heck. a lot of SSDs have rather slow writes)
159 2012-03-03 02:33:09 <jrmithdobbs> but ya, it's going through two layers of hfs+ with that fsync because disk image
160 2012-03-03 02:33:23 <gmaxwell> well there you go
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164 2012-03-03 02:36:57 <hebulurg> lol blockchain slowness is another area of gmaxwell fail. his dumbass solution is for evryone to run on tmpfs. good call jackass. most users don't want to fucking create new partitions just to buy some alpaca socks. gmaxwell's obstinate fails / and ridiculous chinstrap / hidebound reactionary-ness is holding back bitcoin discussions. he's one of those toxic people who are a net negative
165 2012-03-03 02:36:57 <hebulurg> on the comunity that gavin was talking about https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=62037.40
166 2012-03-03 02:36:57 <hebulurg> gmaxwell - to everyone else, you appear to be an obstructionist and non-contributor.
167 2012-03-03 02:36:59 <hebulurg> ahoooooba
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175 2012-03-03 02:49:20 <glamer> duuuuuuuuuuuude
176 2012-03-03 02:49:24 <glamer> shit gmaxwell says: "lpdaskain: controlling the difficulty of those problems is hard"  what scientists say: there is "a strong correlation between the instance's hardness and the ratio of the number of clauses to the number of variables in the instance..." a "well-publicized finding." who's right? chinstrap or basic cs theory? you be the judge.
177 2012-03-03 02:49:24 <glamer> gmaxwell: spout your phoney baloney elsewhere. or at least do some basic background research before you pollute the channel with your lazy and spurious claims.
178 2012-03-03 02:49:24 <glamer> Gregory F. Maxwell, 13055 Laurel Tree Ln, Apt. 403, Herndon, VA 20171, 386-864-1817, gmaxwell@gmail.com // gratuitous neckbeard action: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Gmaxwell-boat.jpg  // he's shacked up with kat walsh ( http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/54/Kwalsh_5929_small.jpg )
179 2012-03-03 02:49:24 <glamer> i am pleased to announce that gmaxwell has been subscribed to even more notorious child porn sites, using his real name and address, and a prepaid card registered in his name and zip code. he's been signed up for email delivery too. hahaha. when the feds raid the site, as they always do, his name was will be front and center. hahahaha
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187 2012-03-03 03:03:44 <denisx> gmaxwell: did you confuse him with facts? ;)
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189 2012-03-03 03:05:37 <gmaxwell> denisx: nah. There wasn't even a discussion really I banned him as soon as I realized he was $thatguy.
190 2012-03-03 03:06:10 <jiglio> lol lmao. gmaxwell is playing the victim. "<gmaxwell> he mostly just tries to pick technical arguments with people" baahhaha. no one ever solicited your view or argument on anything gmaxwell, because your feedback is worthless. you've been proved wrong time and time again, but you persist in spreading misinformation and refuse to learn basic concepts. "picking a fight" suggests someone
191 2012-03-03 03:06:10 <jiglio> asked for your opinion, which doesn't happen because you have nothing to contribute except confused mis-applications of cs buzzwords.
192 2012-03-03 03:06:10 <jiglio> shit gmaxwell says: "lpdaskain: controlling the difficulty of those problems is hard"  what scientists say: there is "a strong correlation between the instance's hardness and the ratio of the number of clauses to the number of variables in the instance..." a "well-publicized finding." who's right? chinstrap or basic cs theory? you be the judge.
193 2012-03-03 03:06:10 <jiglio> Gregory F. Maxwell, 13055 Laurel Tree Ln, Apt. 403, Herndon, VA 20171, 386-864-1817, gmaxwell@gmail.com // gratuitous neckbeard action: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Gmaxwell-boat.jpg  // he's shacked up with kat walsh ( http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/54/Kwalsh_5929_small.jpg )
194 2012-03-03 03:06:10 <jiglio> oi am pleased to announce that gmaxwell has been subscribed to even more notorious child porn sites, using his real name and address, and a prepaid card registered in his name and zip code. he's been signed up for email delivery too. hahaha. when the feds raid the site, as they always do, his name was will be front and center. hahahaha
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248 2012-03-03 06:33:09 <Graet> http://blockchain.info/block-index/187066/0000000000000112732b58edbea62a487254fece5df9d1ee564fc3ca17f4507f  p2p pool and "strange" ntransactions
249 2012-03-03 06:35:21 <luke-jr> Graet: you can spend the 0-amount one!
250 2012-03-03 06:35:54 <Graet> ty luke-jr :)
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260 2012-03-03 06:58:58 <DrHaribo> Wow, one guy was talking to himself here all night?
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290 2012-03-03 08:05:07 <denisx> lolz, some botnet is acknowledging my fast pool with 75GH/s from cpus
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292 2012-03-03 08:09:10 <copumpkin> "Last received block was received %n second ago"
293 2012-03-03 08:09:15 <copumpkin> in bitcoin-qt
294 2012-03-03 08:11:31 <gmaxwell> copumpkin: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/874
295 2012-03-03 08:12:21 <copumpkin> where did the (s) go in the message I'm seeing?
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348 2012-03-03 12:03:51 <nathan7> nanotube: gribble doesn't auto-op anymore?
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351 2012-03-03 12:16:19 <denisx> this botnet is huge, I need more than 250k firewall states and more than 150k openfiles
352 2012-03-03 12:20:49 <sipa> to do what?
353 2012-03-03 12:22:50 <denisx> to cpu mine on my pool
354 2012-03-03 12:23:07 <denisx> I mean to serve the botnet
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358 2012-03-03 12:28:22 <denisx> and one pool must have lost 150GH/s because this guy didn't come from nowhere
359 2012-03-03 12:29:18 <nathan7> lol
360 2012-03-03 12:30:35 <[Tycho]> What guy ?
361 2012-03-03 12:30:45 <denisx> a botnet owner
362 2012-03-03 12:30:53 <[Tycho]> 150 GH/s sounds like GPUMAX
363 2012-03-03 12:31:16 <[Tycho]> I wonder where you can find a 150 GH/s botnet.
364 2012-03-03 12:31:20 <denisx> no, this is CPU based
365 2012-03-03 12:31:27 <denisx> it is hitting me with 3000 getworks/sec
366 2012-03-03 12:31:32 <[Tycho]> Cool.
367 2012-03-03 12:31:39 <nathan7> o.o
368 2012-03-03 12:31:48 <[Tycho]> Your software should be really effective.
369 2012-03-03 12:31:56 <nathan7> that's.. impressive
370 2012-03-03 12:32:04 <denisx> I use pushpoold
371 2012-03-03 12:32:14 <denisx> modified ;)
372 2012-03-03 12:32:55 <[Tycho]> How many percents of CPU load you have at that rate ?
373 2012-03-03 12:33:30 <denisx> my load is around 0.8
374 2012-03-03 12:33:55 <sipa> [Tycho]: any news about how fast you could deploy BIP30?
375 2012-03-03 12:34:05 <[Tycho]> What is BIP30 ?
376 2012-03-03 12:34:10 <[Tycho]> That double-coinbase thing ?
377 2012-03-03 12:34:17 <sipa> Yes.
378 2012-03-03 12:34:39 <sipa> Not only coinbases, actually.
379 2012-03-03 12:34:39 <[Tycho]> Yesterday I asked about proposed deadline here but no one answered.
380 2012-03-03 12:35:27 <sipa> I answered that I was just exploring what timeframe was reasonable for pools.
381 2012-03-03 12:36:16 <[Tycho]> I think it may be the same as for BIP16. Or so we need more prompt action ?
382 2012-03-03 12:36:27 <[Tycho]> *do
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384 2012-03-03 12:36:38 <justmoon> BIP16 is a feature, BIP30 is a security bugfix
385 2012-03-03 12:36:59 <[Tycho]> I mean that I can deploy both at same time.
386 2012-03-03 12:37:21 <[Tycho]> If its a fix, then why do you call it "BIP" ?
387 2012-03-03 12:37:22 <sipa> I was hoping for something like "it will take me a few days"
388 2012-03-03 12:37:44 <sipa> because it is a change to the network rulea
389 2012-03-03 12:38:02 <sipa> and we need absolute consensus about it
390 2012-03-03 12:38:04 <[Tycho]> I'm planning to do something before 15.03.2012
391 2012-03-03 12:38:29 <sipa> So march 15 would be doable?
392 2012-03-03 12:39:17 <[Tycho]> At least that's what I have in my todo list.
393 2012-03-03 12:39:23 <denisx> how big is the change?
394 2012-03-03 12:39:35 <[Tycho]> What is the date in the unix time shown there ?
395 2012-03-03 12:40:17 <[Tycho]> denisx: about 5 lines
396 2012-03-03 12:40:45 <sipa> [Tycho]: no idea, it was just an example, the actual patch will be published when a day is decided
397 2012-03-03 12:40:46 <[Tycho]> I don't have anything against this fix.
398 2012-03-03 12:41:03 <sipa> denisx: you operate a pool? which one?
399 2012-03-03 12:41:10 <denisx> btcmp.com
400 2012-03-03 12:41:17 <[Tycho]> If it's not only for coinbases - what else is affected ?
401 2012-03-03 12:41:19 <denisx> very small
402 2012-03-03 12:41:48 <[Tycho]> If you can sustain 3000 gw/s it's pretty good.
403 2012-03-03 12:42:10 <sipa> [Tycho]: i linked to roconnor's blog where the attack is ezplained
404 2012-03-03 12:42:22 <[Tycho]> sipa: where ?
405 2012-03-03 12:42:46 <sipa> in my mail where i asked for pool'd support
406 2012-03-03 12:43:22 <[Tycho]> I didn't knew it was you.
407 2012-03-03 12:43:30 <[Tycho]> Only real name was stated.
408 2012-03-03 12:43:31 <sipa> here it is: http://r6.ca/blog/20120206T005236Z.html
409 2012-03-03 12:43:53 <sipa> Ok, I am Pieter.
410 2012-03-03 12:44:02 <[Tycho]> Yes, now I see it.
411 2012-03-03 12:44:16 <[Tycho]> I was wondering who it was :)
412 2012-03-03 12:45:19 <sipa> On most placed I switched to using my real name, but IRC remains IRC :)
413 2012-03-03 12:45:34 <[Tycho]> What is Midas Money ?
414 2012-03-03 12:45:51 <sipa> A pseudonym for Bitcoin.
415 2012-03-03 12:46:08 <sipa> He likes to be cryptical, it seems.
416 2012-03-03 12:47:55 <sipa> In short: with some mining power he can revert transactions, but never more than what the attacker lost in mining income, and he could force block chain splits.
417 2012-03-03 12:49:17 <[Tycho]> Ok.
418 2012-03-03 12:49:51 <[Tycho]> Currently I'm targeting for 15.03 unless someone have any objections.
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420 2012-03-03 12:50:39 <sipa> I'll ask around whether march 15 is reasonable for other pools as well.
421 2012-03-03 12:50:52 <sipa> Thanks.
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423 2012-03-03 12:52:39 <denisx> this was the deepbit owner, right?
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427 2012-03-03 13:02:20 <sipa> denisx: yes
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472 2012-03-03 15:36:38 <jrmithdobbs> gavinandresen: speakingof crypto failure due to improper key storage (and it sounds like improper key use in general ...)
473 2012-03-03 15:36:42 <jrmithdobbs> gavinandresen: http://www.pcworld.com/article/251187/hackers_elect_futuramas_bender_to_the_washington_dc_school_board.html
474 2012-03-03 15:36:45 <jrmithdobbs> lol
475 2012-03-03 15:39:17 <gavinandresen> I'm sure Bender will do an excellent job.
476 2012-03-03 15:39:35 <gavinandresen> KISS MY SHINY METAL ASS!!!
477 2012-03-03 15:40:29 <jrmithdobbs> best part is how it took them two days to notice
478 2012-03-03 15:41:49 <gavinandresen> jrmithdobbs: RE: /Applications/Bitcoin-Qt.app/Contents/MacOS/Bitcoin-Qt -rescan ... etc
479 2012-03-03 15:42:08 <gavinandresen> I don't think there's anything we can do about launching bitcoin that way not working.
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481 2012-03-03 15:42:25 <gavinandresen> Use:  open Bitcoin-Qt.app --args -resacan ... blah blah
482 2012-03-03 15:43:34 <jrmithdobbs> gavinandresen: oh, didn't followup because noone was around, launching it that way works fine, had to launch it that way to get the error message in that case
483 2012-03-03 15:44:10 <jrmithdobbs> gavinandresen: i have ~/Library/Application\ Support/Bitcoin as a symlink to a dir that only exists when another volume is mounted
484 2012-03-03 15:44:25 <jrmithdobbs> gavinandresen: so it gives that weird error when trying to use homedir
485 2012-03-03 15:45:40 <jrmithdobbs> get similar with bitcoind just doing ln -s /non-existstant/path/here ~/.bitcoin
486 2012-03-03 15:45:45 <gavinandresen> jrmithdobbs: huh. I could've sworn launching/gdb'ing directly into the Contents/MacOs didn't work properly
487 2012-03-03 15:46:41 <jrmithdobbs> works fine, but I do usually launch with open /Applications/Bitcoin-Qt.app --args <stuff>
488 2012-03-03 15:47:35 <jrmithdobbs> specifically: /usr/bin/open /Applications/Bitcoin-Qt.app --args -rescan -noirc -nolisten -connect=
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491 2012-03-03 15:54:50 <sipa> gavinandresen: i've got replies for around 55% percent support for BIP30, and deepbit intends to implement before march 15
492 2012-03-03 15:54:55 <jrmithdobbs> tbqh, out of what i mentioned the only one that matters is that dns seeds get queried even with -connect=, seems like unnecessary privacy/dns leakage considering that -connect= could be a private ip
493 2012-03-03 15:55:08 <gavinandresen> sipa: Great, March 15 it is, then
494 2012-03-03 15:55:18 <jrmithdobbs> especially since the seeds are then never used
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496 2012-03-03 15:55:51 <gavinandresen> jrmithdobbs: that should be an easy fix, just a SoftSetArg(-dns, false) if -connect is given
497 2012-03-03 15:55:59 <gavinandresen> err. -dnsseed false
498 2012-03-03 15:56:10 <jrmithdobbs> gavinandresen: yup
499 2012-03-03 15:59:17 <sipa> gavinandresen: any idea where to find "0.3.24 + vinced patches" ?
500 2012-03-03 16:01:16 <gavinandresen> sipa:  https://github.com/gavinandresen/bitcoin-git/tree/p2sh_backport_vinced  minus a few commits would be a good place to start
501 2012-03-03 16:02:02 <gavinandresen> I think vinced has a github account, I started at commit ddca550f5a
502 2012-03-03 16:02:29 <sipa> i only see a namecoin repository of his
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504 2012-03-03 16:02:55 <gavinandresen> ... although I bet your patch is simple enough in a part of the code that doesn't change much that a 0.3.19 patch would apply to pretty much everything cleanly.
505 2012-03-03 16:03:41 <sipa> it should, but i think pools will have even less problems if there is a patch marked "for 0.3.24 + vinced"
506 2012-03-03 16:09:43 <jrmithdobbs> gavinandresen: simple enough. https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/914
507 2012-03-03 16:10:17 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: jrmithdobbs opened pull request 914 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/914>
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509 2012-03-03 16:15:19 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: sipa opened pull request 915 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/915>
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518 2012-03-03 17:02:06 <luke-jr> sipa: is there a reason BIP 30 isn't merged to mainline?
519 2012-03-03 17:02:20 <sipa> luke-jr: it will be soon
520 2012-03-03 17:02:27 <sipa> gavin just commented
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537 2012-03-03 17:42:04 <gavinandresen> merged nooverwritetx
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539 2012-03-03 17:44:01 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: thanks
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541 2012-03-03 17:46:40 <sipa> luke-jr: will eligius implement it as well?
542 2012-03-03 17:46:51 <luke-jr> sipa: of course
543 2012-03-03 17:47:11 <sipa> (i assumed so, but never saw you confirming it; good)
544 2012-03-03 17:48:13 <luke-jr> sipa: are the backports intentionally different from master?
545 2012-03-03 17:48:37 <luke-jr> -+    if (pindex->nTime > 1331769600 || (fTestNet && pindex->nTime > 1329696000))
546 2012-03-03 17:48:39 <luke-jr> ++    if (pindex->nTime > 1331769600)
547 2012-03-03 17:48:58 <luke-jr> plus some comment differences
548 2012-03-03 17:49:20 <sipa> the backports don't have the testnet update yet; i'm updating them as well now
549 2012-03-03 17:49:35 <luke-jr> ok
550 2012-03-03 17:50:01 <luke-jr> sipa: ping me when 0.4.0 backport is ready for merging to stable, please
551 2012-03-03 17:50:21 <sipa> one minute
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555 2012-03-03 17:55:28 <sipa> luke-jr: done
556 2012-03-03 17:57:06 <DrHaribo> should the testnet really have a difficulty below 1?
557 2012-03-03 17:59:05 <luke-jr> DrHaribo: why not?
558 2012-03-03 17:59:34 <DrHaribo> The wiki says the minimum difficulty is 1
559 2012-03-03 17:59:46 <luke-jr> DrHaribo: for bitcoin mainnet
560 2012-03-03 17:59:57 <DrHaribo> Also, bitcoind reports a difficulty of 7.26984055 although bits and target show the actual difficulty is below 1
561 2012-03-03 18:00:11 <luke-jr> O.o
562 2012-03-03 18:00:35 <DrHaribo> At least I think "bitcoind getdifficulty" should not lie :P
563 2012-03-03 18:00:43 <sipa> DrHaribo: bitcoind reports the difficulty of the last block
564 2012-03-03 18:01:03 <luke-jr> sipa: c4341fa Add mruset and use it for setInventoryKnown
565 2012-03-03 18:01:08 <sipa> since the last testnet diificulty policy change, that may differ significantly from the difficulty reported by getwork/getmemorypool
566 2012-03-03 18:01:11 <luke-jr> sipa: does this fix a bug?
567 2012-03-03 18:01:22 <sipa> luke-jr: yes, exploitable dos attack
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569 2012-03-03 18:02:03 <luke-jr> sipa: is it like the automatic DoS banning introduced in 0.5, or more like a buffer overflow?
570 2012-03-03 18:02:23 <DrHaribo> ok, thanks for explaining
571 2012-03-03 18:02:28 <sipa> luke-jr: an attacker with a p2p connection to you can cause unlimited memory usage for your node
572 2012-03-03 18:02:35 <luke-jr> hmm
573 2012-03-03 18:02:49 <sipa> while avoiding the existing dos protection
574 2012-03-03 18:02:51 <luke-jr> sipa: so IYO, it should get merged to stable? now or eventually?
575 2012-03-03 18:03:21 <sipa> eventually, but maybe wait after a mainline rc contains it
576 2012-03-03 18:03:28 <luke-jr> k
577 2012-03-03 18:04:13 <luke-jr> sipa: what say ye about a06113b Workaround for BN_bn2mpi reading/writing out of bounds?
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579 2012-03-03 18:05:01 <sipa> luke-jr: won't hurt, and probably doesn't fix anything either
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582 2012-03-03 18:06:31 <luke-jr> wumpus: reping
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607 2012-03-03 19:04:36 <luke-jr> tagged … bitcoind 0.4.4rc3, 0.5.0.4rc3, and 0.5.3rc3 | Bitcoin-Qt 0.5.0.4rc3 and 0.5.3rc3
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