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2 2012-03-07 00:01:23 <jrmithdobbs> i'm about to slice open the scryptenc/dec functions anyways as i don't want to use aes-ctr for the block cipher
3 2012-03-07 00:01:52 <jrmithdobbs> (was just using his example code as a placeholder while sorting out more important things)
4 2012-03-07 00:03:21 <jrmithdobbs> (gonna cut the pretending it's a block at all crap and use 2 rounds of salsa/20 for the streams)
5 2012-03-07 00:05:25 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: was going insane thinking i was missing an overflow or race condition stupid thing failed only ~10% of the time and when unit-ish tests involve running several runs of scrypt it takes FOREVER to track down ;p
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9 2012-03-07 00:11:21 <jrmithdobbs> also explains why fiddling compiler options was exacerbating the issue
10 2012-03-07 00:11:32 <jrmithdobbs> s/options/optimization options/
11 2012-03-07 00:11:58 <jrmithdobbs> -O0 -> -O2 was what highlighted the problem for me originally, haha
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13 2012-03-07 00:12:56 <Diablo-D3> dear people:
14 2012-03-07 00:12:59 <Diablo-D3> DO NOT USE -O0
15 2012-03-07 00:13:04 <Diablo-D3> THIS IS THE WORD OF GOD
16 2012-03-07 00:13:09 <Diablo-D3> thank you, signed, the gcc team
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19 2012-03-07 00:14:20 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: i was using it very much on purpose for a very good reason
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21 2012-03-07 00:14:43 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: even -O1 was reordering certain parts of the code to where it was impossible to decipher in the debugger
22 2012-03-07 00:15:54 <Diablo-D3> yeah but -O0 breaks shit
23 2012-03-07 00:16:08 <jrmithdobbs> like?
24 2012-03-07 00:16:50 <jrmithdobbs> anyways, it was never going to stay building with -O0, fixed the existing issues and switched it back for a normal build and suddenly started failing 10% of the time, heh
25 2012-03-07 00:17:12 <Diablo-D3> jrmithdobbs: its a known issue
26 2012-03-07 00:17:56 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: what is? no code is "broken" it's literally a missed error case in return from a function that is used all over the code
27 2012-03-07 00:18:35 <Diablo-D3> jrmithdobbs: dude
28 2012-03-07 00:18:37 <Diablo-D3> if the gcc team says
29 2012-03-07 00:18:54 <Diablo-D3> "dont do this, gcc does not emit proper code in -O0 because it is never tested and this is a known issue"
30 2012-03-07 00:18:56 <Diablo-D3> then I dont do that.
31 2012-03-07 00:19:16 <jrmithdobbs> my problem has nothing to do with -O0 ?
32 2012-03-07 00:19:24 <gmaxwell> {{cite}}
33 2012-03-07 00:19:45 <jrmithdobbs> and all also that
34 2012-03-07 00:20:43 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: my problem was the code emitted by -O0 was producing *better* code for doing the cpuperf estimate, actually and hiding a time based error case from me, so you bringing this up doesn't even make sense
35 2012-03-07 00:21:50 <jrmithdobbs> in fact, once i get that condition handled i'll probably force that object to get built with -O0
36 2012-03-07 00:22:15 <jrmithdobbs> if for no other reason than to anger you, now ;p
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41 2012-03-07 00:27:34 <Diablo-D3> jrmithdobbs: better? wtf
42 2012-03-07 00:27:37 <Diablo-D3> what gcc version?
43 2012-03-07 00:29:13 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: it's not just gcc
44 2012-03-07 00:29:24 <jrmithdobbs> similar results with clang
45 2012-03-07 00:29:37 <Diablo-D3> weird
46 2012-03-07 00:29:45 <Diablo-D3> that almost makes me believe the code sucks =P
47 2012-03-07 00:30:07 <jrmithdobbs> but for reference, it was system clang on 9.0-RELEASE and os x 10.7, gcc 42 on same, and gcc 47 from a code drop on 25th on freebsd 9
48 2012-03-07 00:30:34 <jrmithdobbs> as well as system openbsd 5.0
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51 2012-03-07 00:34:44 <jrmithdobbs> but ya, looking at it, it could probably be improved ... looks like it tries to wait for a clock tick then sees how many salsa20/8 ops it can do before the next one
52 2012-03-07 00:35:38 <jrmithdobbs> and both salsa impl i'm using (sse2 and non sse2) are highly optimized/scrutinized pieces of code so the compiler really isn't going to help them a whole lot
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143 2012-03-07 04:42:32 <tomoj> is something like the example here https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Contracts#Example_4:_Using_external_state possible yet today?
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153 2012-03-07 05:41:39 <forrestv> tomoj, yes, besides the difficulty of getting nonstandard transactions into blocks
154 2012-03-07 05:41:50 <forrestv> also, i'm not sure about the state of locktime..
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159 2012-03-07 05:46:26 <tomoj> I see, support for that kind of thing is still mostly hypothetical?
160 2012-03-07 05:47:45 <forrestv> tomoj, what do you mean by "support"?
161 2012-03-07 05:48:30 <tomoj> lack of difficulty?
162 2012-03-07 05:50:03 <tomoj> I mean, "no support at all" would mean "no one has nonstandard transactions enabled, so you just can't do it"
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247 2012-03-07 09:58:00 <denisx> cool, my pool made it to the hash rate distribution circle chart *jump jump*
248 2012-03-07 09:59:07 <Graet> congrats
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252 2012-03-07 10:13:25 <denisx> AES.NI is of no use for bitcoind, right?
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278 2012-03-07 11:57:31 <finway> Who is 88.6.216.9 ?
279 2012-03-07 11:57:43 <finway> artfortz ?
280 2012-03-07 11:58:06 <Diablo-D3> how many hash?
281 2012-03-07 11:58:13 <finway> like the old time GPU beating CPU ?
282 2012-03-07 11:58:28 <finway> 1.8THashs/s
283 2012-03-07 11:58:31 <Diablo-D3> no not him
284 2012-03-07 11:59:33 <finway> Where does this pool come from ?
285 2012-03-07 11:59:35 <finway> Strange.
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290 2012-03-07 12:04:06 <finway> quantum miner ?
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294 2012-03-07 12:09:11 <finway> A custom coded server that responds to a bot with: UniqueWallet,PrevBlockHash,Difficulty, and a solo miner that takes that information and continually generates its own work instead of relying on a central bitcoind to generate work on its behalf.
295 2012-03-07 12:09:17 <finway> I think botnet is reasonable answer.
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298 2012-03-07 12:13:53 <Graet> mm spain
299 2012-03-07 12:15:55 <finway> eleuthria thought it's scary and inevitable.
300 2012-03-07 12:19:04 <TD> if it's a botnet large enough to produce such a giant hashrate we'll hear about it soon enough i think
301 2012-03-07 12:19:25 <TD> you can't run software on a million+ machines and not get noticed by the AV firms
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303 2012-03-07 12:21:04 <finway> Isn't 1 million nodes zombie network existing ?
304 2012-03-07 12:22:38 <TD> sure
305 2012-03-07 12:24:18 <finway> So 1M * 1MHash/s , That's 1THash/s
306 2012-03-07 12:25:32 <TD> that would double the networks current speed
307 2012-03-07 12:25:52 <TD> not to mention significantly damage the botnet. a lot of people would notice that their cpu was pegged for sure
308 2012-03-07 12:26:02 <TD> and as noted on the forum, it would require some fairly beefy command/control servers
309 2012-03-07 12:26:11 <TD> a much smaller botnet with gpu miners is more likely
310 2012-03-07 12:26:14 <TD> we've seen that already
311 2012-03-07 12:26:17 <Graet> um 1Thash wouldnt double network speed
312 2012-03-07 12:26:28 <Graet> ;;bc,nethash
313 2012-03-07 12:26:31 <gribble> 10183.330687892159
314 2012-03-07 12:26:46 <Graet> 10% it maybe ;)
315 2012-03-07 12:27:06 <Graet> ;;bc,deepbit
316 2012-03-07 12:27:06 <gribble> 3688020000
317 2012-03-07 12:27:17 <finway> What annoying is that they don't contain txes.
318 2012-03-07 12:28:54 <finway> Sounds like whar luke-jr done to scamcoins.
319 2012-03-07 12:29:14 <finway> Though not that big.
320 2012-03-07 12:29:36 <finway> luke-jr: is that you ? :P
321 2012-03-07 12:29:48 <finway> ;;seen luke-jr
322 2012-03-07 12:29:48 <gribble> luke-jr was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 13 hours, 17 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <luke-jr> gavinandresen: that's harder :/
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324 2012-03-07 12:34:47 <finway> Can miners mine without bitcoind ?
325 2012-03-07 12:35:56 <Graet> they need one somewhere afaik
326 2012-03-07 12:36:08 <Diablo-D3> finway: "yes"
327 2012-03-07 12:36:13 <Diablo-D3> at least THEY dont need one
328 2012-03-07 12:36:19 <Diablo-D3> someone out there has one
329 2012-03-07 12:36:57 <finway> Thta's why they don't include txes.
330 2012-03-07 12:36:58 <finway> That's bad
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332 2012-03-07 12:37:08 <finway> It's impossible to include txes.
333 2012-03-07 12:40:31 booo has joined
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335 2012-03-07 12:48:00 <finway> These miners slow down txes processing.
336 2012-03-07 12:48:38 <Diablo-D3> >miners
337 2012-03-07 12:48:42 <Diablo-D3> >slow down tx processing
338 2012-03-07 12:48:45 <Diablo-D3> lolwat
339 2012-03-07 12:49:20 <Graet> <finway> Who is 88.6.216.9 ? <<
340 2012-03-07 12:49:24 <finway> what's so unny?
341 2012-03-07 12:49:29 <Graet> http://blockchain.info/blocks/88.6.216.9
342 2012-03-07 12:49:43 <Graet> is where we started ;)
343 2012-03-07 12:49:47 <Diablo-D3> Graet: mine ALL the blocks \o/
344 2012-03-07 12:49:55 <Graet> i would if i could !!!!
345 2012-03-07 12:49:59 <Graet> lol
346 2012-03-07 12:50:00 <finway> Graet: i don't know, he just doesn't include txes, and his hashrate is merely 1THash/s
347 2012-03-07 12:50:12 <sturles> Diablo-D3: Partly true. Mining through Eligius slows down tx processing by not including transactions without a fee.
348 2012-03-07 12:50:23 <Graet> i understand finway - been trying to do some reseach on it ;)
349 2012-03-07 12:50:42 <Diablo-D3> sturles: yes but thats because luke is a dick
350 2012-03-07 12:51:06 <sturles> t
351 2012-03-07 12:52:11 <finway> ;;seen gavinanderson
352 2012-03-07 12:52:11 <gribble> I have not seen gavinanderson.
353 2012-03-07 12:52:23 <Diablo-D3> zomg gavin was unmade!
354 2012-03-07 12:52:27 <finway> ;;seen gavinandreson
355 2012-03-07 12:52:27 <gribble> I have not seen gavinandreson.
356 2012-03-07 12:52:44 <Diablo-D3> ;;seen my dick in years because Im a fat bastard
357 2012-03-07 12:52:44 <gribble> (seen [<channel>] <nick>) -- Returns the last time <nick> was seen and what <nick> was last seen saying. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. <nick> may contain * as a wildcard.
358 2012-03-07 12:52:48 <Diablo-D3> goddamnit
359 2012-03-07 12:52:49 <finway> ok, i can't spell his name.
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392 2012-03-07 14:19:00 <jguk> hi
393 2012-03-07 14:19:10 <jguk> i have a question
394 2012-03-07 14:19:12 <luke-jr> BlueMattBot: 0.5.3rc3?
395 2012-03-07 14:19:12 <BlueMattBot> luke-jr you may not issue bot commands in this chat!
396 2012-03-07 14:19:19 <luke-jr> oh
397 2012-03-07 14:19:29 <jguk> how do i get GPG authentication?
398 2012-03-07 14:19:46 <jguk> im extremely confused
399 2012-03-07 14:20:06 <jguk> ive downloaded the CLI version for windows
400 2012-03-07 14:20:10 <jguk> but its not launching
401 2012-03-07 14:20:48 libcoin has joined
402 2012-03-07 14:21:27 <jguk> WHAT THE FUCK DO I DO
403 2012-03-07 14:21:38 <jguk> FUCKING BITCOIN
404 2012-03-07 14:22:15 <jguk> HOW
405 2012-03-07 14:22:16 <jguk> DO
406 2012-03-07 14:22:19 <jguk> I
407 2012-03-07 14:22:19 <jguk> BUY
408 2012-03-07 14:22:25 <jguk> BITCOINS?
409 2012-03-07 14:22:30 <JFK911> 1. buy moneypak
410 2012-03-07 14:22:32 <jguk> WTF
411 2012-03-07 14:22:32 <jguk> ARE
412 2012-03-07 14:22:35 <jguk> BITCOINS
413 2012-03-07 14:22:36 <JFK911> 2. send me code
414 2012-03-07 14:22:51 <jguk> send you the code?
415 2012-03-07 14:23:06 <JFK911> rather put cash in mail?
416 2012-03-07 14:23:15 <jguk> fuck you
417 2012-03-07 14:23:17 <jguk> FUCK
418 2012-03-07 14:23:18 <jguk> YOU
419 2012-03-07 14:23:30 <JFK911> nono
420 2012-03-07 14:23:34 <JFK911> fuck ME AND MY BITCOINS
421 2012-03-07 14:23:40 <jguk> i fucking hate this bitcoin
422 2012-03-07 14:24:00 <jguk> i'll only trade paypal
423 2012-03-07 14:24:04 <jguk> i just want authentication
424 2012-03-07 14:24:06 <JFK911> how often do you buy things you hate?
425 2012-03-07 14:24:18 <JFK911> do you like poo?
426 2012-03-07 14:24:20 <jguk> its a means to an end
427 2012-03-07 14:24:28 <jguk> a seller won't accept anything else
428 2012-03-07 14:24:59 <jguk> ugh
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430 2012-03-07 14:25:16 <jguk> fucking twat seller
431 2012-03-07 14:25:25 <jguk> lets me take all the risk
432 2012-03-07 14:25:28 <jguk> just so he can go untraceable
433 2012-03-07 14:25:30 <jguk> fucking cunt
434 2012-03-07 14:25:39 <jguk> FUCK!
435 2012-03-07 14:25:54 <JFK911> how many bitcoins does a twat cost?
436 2012-03-07 14:25:56 <JFK911> is it underage?
437 2012-03-07 14:26:03 <jguk> i hope bitcoin goes bust very soon
438 2012-03-07 14:26:08 <JFK911> oh thats why you need bitcoins
439 2012-03-07 14:26:08 <jguk> fuck you
440 2012-03-07 14:26:15 <jguk> you sad little bitcoin collecting fuck
441 2012-03-07 14:26:29 <jguk> i bet you sit there with your bitcoins
442 2012-03-07 14:26:32 <jguk> counting them all day
443 2012-03-07 14:26:39 <jguk> while masturbating into a rag
444 2012-03-07 14:26:41 <JFK911> i put them in my bathtub and swim among them
445 2012-03-07 14:26:45 <JFK911> and really
446 2012-03-07 14:26:50 <JFK911> i dont feel very sad at all when i do it
447 2012-03-07 14:26:57 <jguk> seriously
448 2012-03-07 14:27:04 <JFK911> it's like vertigo
449 2012-03-07 14:27:06 <jguk> can no one give me any advice
450 2012-03-07 14:27:12 <jguk> im getting very stressed
451 2012-03-07 14:27:56 <luke-jr> jguk: I advise you to clean up your life, convert to Catholicism, and save your soul.
452 2012-03-07 14:28:10 [Tycho] has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
453 2012-03-07 14:28:44 <jguk> i advise you to shut the fuck up
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455 2012-03-07 14:28:53 <jguk> unless you have any constructive information
456 2012-03-07 14:29:20 <luke-jr> you asked.
457 2012-03-07 14:29:25 <sturles> jguk: There are plenty of services selling bitcoins without involving PGP at all.
458 2012-03-07 14:29:26 mrsy has joined
459 2012-03-07 14:29:29 <JFK911> possession of constructive information is not luke-jr's default state
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461 2012-03-07 14:30:21 <jguk> such as ebay?
462 2012-03-07 14:30:26 <sturles> jguk: PayPal has a tendency to shut down the accounts of bitcoin sellers, stealing their money, so you'll have a hard time _and_ pay a large premium to buy coins via PayPal.
463 2012-03-07 14:30:27 <Graet> http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_authentication is a guide, -dev isnt really about pgp and trading
464 2012-03-07 14:30:35 <jguk> i looked at ebay but they want a 4-6 day verification process
465 2012-03-07 14:30:49 <jguk> bollocks
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467 2012-03-07 14:30:59 <jguk> how about alertpay?
468 2012-03-07 14:31:09 <jguk> bitcoin seems so convoluted
469 2012-03-07 14:31:21 <Graet> you seems so angry.....
470 2012-03-07 14:31:32 <jguk> i am angry
471 2012-03-07 14:31:41 <luke-jr> jguk: Bitcoin is real money. You're going to have a hard time getting it with fake money like PayPal and credit cards.
472 2012-03-07 14:31:54 <Graet> shouting and swearing at ppl isnt a good way to gtet help....
473 2012-03-07 14:31:55 <luke-jr> jguk: try buying it with other real money, like cash
474 2012-03-07 14:31:56 <jguk> i use a debit card with paypal
475 2012-03-07 14:32:05 <luke-jr> debit cards are fake too
476 2012-03-07 14:32:13 <jguk> cash in mail is an easy way to get scammed
477 2012-03-07 14:32:23 <Graet> paypal is easier
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479 2012-03-07 14:32:33 <Graet> know what a chargeback is?
480 2012-03-07 14:32:33 <JFK911> how is cash in mail different to a bitcoin transfer?
481 2012-03-07 14:33:02 <jguk> i trust the guy im transferring the bitcoins to
482 2012-03-07 14:33:22 <jguk> i dont trust rando bitcoin sellers that want cash in mail
483 2012-03-07 14:33:41 <jguk> i also dont understand
484 2012-03-07 14:33:51 <jguk> why ebay is selling real, as in physical, bit coins
485 2012-03-07 14:34:04 <Graet> i dont trust rando bitcoin buyers that ant to use paypal and get angry about it in the develoment irc...
486 2012-03-07 14:34:06 <JFK911> that way, you can send them in the mail
487 2012-03-07 14:34:22 <JFK911> this increases anonymity of the currency
488 2012-03-07 14:34:38 <jguk> so
489 2012-03-07 14:34:44 <JFK911> aren't you going to get something in the mail for your bitcoins?
490 2012-03-07 14:34:47 <jguk> if you can send them in the mail
491 2012-03-07 14:35:06 <jguk> ohhh
492 2012-03-07 14:35:12 <jguk> so if this guy wants bitcoins
493 2012-03-07 14:35:19 <jguk> i could send him physical bitcoins?
494 2012-03-07 14:35:26 <Graet> yes
495 2012-03-07 14:35:30 <luke-jr> if he's willing to give you his address
496 2012-03-07 14:35:30 <jguk> fuckin a
497 2012-03-07 14:35:32 <luke-jr> I wouldn't.
498 2012-03-07 14:35:35 <jguk> thank you :)
499 2012-03-07 14:35:41 <JFK911> if he trusts you enough to give you an address.
500 2012-03-07 14:35:44 <jguk> oh yea
501 2012-03-07 14:35:50 <jguk> he wont give me his address
502 2012-03-07 14:35:59 <jguk> he is a drug dealer
503 2012-03-07 14:36:08 <luke-jr> then go away.
504 2012-03-07 14:36:22 <jguk> i thought that was wht bitcoin was for
505 2012-03-07 14:36:26 <luke-jr> no
506 2012-03-07 14:36:29 <luke-jr> Bitcoin is for LEGAL use
507 2012-03-07 14:36:37 <jguk> so why so secretive?
508 2012-03-07 14:36:39 <JFK911> you have just admitted that you want to buy drugs in a permanent log
509 2012-03-07 14:36:50 <jguk> yesh
510 2012-03-07 14:37:17 <helo> lol
511 2012-03-07 14:37:30 <Graet> wow talk about major fail
512 2012-03-07 14:37:30 <luke-jr> jguk: nobody secretive here.
513 2012-03-07 14:37:30 <Graet> lmao
514 2012-03-07 14:37:30 <JFK911> your ip address is also in the same log
515 2012-03-07 14:37:30 <luke-jr> JFK911: he's not using Tor either
516 2012-03-07 14:37:31 <luke-jr> who wants to tell the DEA on him?
517 2012-03-07 14:37:31 <Graet> 'he doesnt have any drugs yet
518 2012-03-07 14:37:32 <Graet> no point
519 2012-03-07 14:37:44 <jguk> the dea?
520 2012-03-07 14:37:58 <Graet> some american thinh jguk
521 2012-03-07 14:37:58 <jguk> who they
522 2012-03-07 14:37:59 <luke-jr> Graet: true, he's in UK
523 2012-03-07 14:38:04 <luke-jr> what's the UK equivalent?
524 2012-03-07 14:38:12 <jguk> we have
525 2012-03-07 14:38:12 <Graet> scotland yard?
526 2012-03-07 14:38:18 <Graet> lol
527 2012-03-07 14:38:20 <luke-jr> Scotland Yard does drugs?
528 2012-03-07 14:38:20 <jrmithdobbs> just say popo
529 2012-03-07 14:38:23 <jrmithdobbs> that's universal enough
530 2012-03-07 14:38:27 <jguk> nah we have some bs sector
531 2012-03-07 14:38:31 <jguk> SOCA
532 2012-03-07 14:38:42 <jguk> serious organised crime something
533 2012-03-07 14:38:47 <jguk> they are useless
534 2012-03-07 14:38:51 <jrmithdobbs> also, they care about the people selling not buying, duh
535 2012-03-07 14:38:59 <ziglir> SOCA is all on drugs anyway
536 2012-03-07 14:39:03 <ziglir> they are all high
537 2012-03-07 14:39:11 <jguk> ok thanks for the help anyway
538 2012-03-07 14:39:14 <jguk> sorry for shouting
539 2012-03-07 14:39:22 <Graet> someone has to burn them after confiscation ziglir
540 2012-03-07 14:39:25 <jguk> i was annoyed
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542 2012-03-07 14:40:07 <luke-jr> you know, technically he could have bought some physical bitcoins and redeemed them himself
543 2012-03-07 14:40:14 <luke-jr> <.<
544 2012-03-07 14:40:17 <helo> hopefully his name isn't jon grant...
545 2012-03-07 14:41:39 <JFK911> cant everyone in europe giro money into bitcoins anyway?
546 2012-03-07 14:41:57 <JFK911> what are the barriers to this? not being old enough to be a bank customer?
547 2012-03-07 14:42:26 <sipa> sending money to mtgox via sepa is free for me
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576 2012-03-07 16:17:39 <jrmithdobbs> anyone worked with libs using pkg-config much? i'm trying to decide if this is a bug i should report
577 2012-03-07 16:17:56 <luke-jr> â¦
578 2012-03-07 16:17:58 <jrmithdobbs> this lib builds with -pthread on certain platforms because it links against libusb which links pthread
579 2012-03-07 16:18:14 <jrmithdobbs> but in pkg-config --libs; and pkg-config --libs-only-other; is not include -pthreads
580 2012-03-07 16:18:27 <jrmithdobbs> which is fine on most platforms since the autotools deps shit will sort it out
581 2012-03-07 16:18:36 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: just because libusb links to a lib doesn't mean libfoo does
582 2012-03-07 16:18:57 <jrmithdobbs> but on some (so far openbsd and netbsd) it doesn't resolve the dep because pkg-config doesn't add -pthread
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584 2012-03-07 16:19:22 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: then BSD is buggy?
585 2012-03-07 16:19:27 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: well, in this case the lib in queston explicitly links against pthread and actually uses it so using portions of the lib require resolving pthread symbols
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587 2012-03-07 16:19:49 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: in short: *i do* need to be linking against pthread but pkg-config isn't telling me this
588 2012-03-07 16:19:58 <jrmithdobbs> that's a bug in that lib's pkg-config isn't it?
589 2012-03-07 16:20:02 <luke-jr> wait
590 2012-03-07 16:20:09 <luke-jr> so your libfoo *does* use pthread?
591 2012-03-07 16:20:12 <jrmithdobbs> yes
592 2012-03-07 16:20:30 <jrmithdobbs> but pkg-config doesn't indicate this (and -pthread isn't necessary on all platforms to link the threading impl)
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594 2012-03-07 16:21:26 <jrmithdobbs> my code is an app using libfoo, pkg-config --libs foo; nor pkg-config --libs-only-other foo; are giving me the -pthread LDFLAG
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615 2012-03-07 17:16:34 <libcoin> I just noticed an annoyance in block 170050
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617 2012-03-07 17:17:02 <libcoin> there is a coin spend before generated
618 2012-03-07 17:17:05 <libcoin> http://blockchain.info/address/27d35a0d468daaceb7a93b2441fed3d3035021c7
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621 2012-03-07 17:18:13 <libcoin> It caused some of my code to crash - guess I should not assume that transactions in a block is always ordered to avoid negative value
622 2012-03-07 17:19:17 <libcoin> (however, scanning the entire blockchain, it is the first time the script crashed / guess it is also the first time happend?)
623 2012-03-07 17:20:41 <helo> hmm... "Last block received was generated %n second ago." in tooltip
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638 2012-03-07 18:10:44 <diki> BlueMatt:I used gdb on bitcoin-qt and mined quite a lot with no trouble, but as gdb was taking too much memory I switched back to old bitcoind
639 2012-03-07 18:11:16 <diki> Now I am trying to run it again, however all I get is: http://pastebin.com/JJJt3WGW
640 2012-03-07 18:11:37 <BlueMatt> can you type bt in the prompt?
641 2012-03-07 18:12:37 <diki> this is what I get http://pastebin.com/Y7VUi262
642 2012-03-07 18:15:18 <BlueMatt> arg, thats useless as hell...
643 2012-03-07 18:15:39 <BlueMatt> damn boost
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645 2012-03-07 18:16:11 <BlueMatt> I have no idea what to do about it, all the backtraces Ive seen for any of these windows crashes have been just as useless
646 2012-03-07 18:16:52 <diki> Last time I ran it through gdb it worked
647 2012-03-07 18:16:59 <diki> I've no idea why it doesnt right now
648 2012-03-07 18:17:27 <diki> And the error with the crash occurs ONLY when using it with PSJ
649 2012-03-07 18:17:33 <diki> at random times
650 2012-03-07 18:17:52 <diki> It could run for days with no problems, but once they start...there is no end to them
651 2012-03-07 18:18:31 <BlueMatt> have you tried p2pool?
652 2012-03-07 18:18:42 <diki> I solo
653 2012-03-07 18:18:49 <diki> Well, merge mine solo
654 2012-03-07 18:18:55 <diki> and psj is the only capable of this
655 2012-03-07 18:19:02 <diki> until diablo OR luke create their pool server
656 2012-03-07 18:19:11 <BlueMatt> just wondering, Ive heard of lots of crashes with p2pool too
657 2012-03-07 18:19:25 <BlueMatt> or atleast similar ones
658 2012-03-07 18:19:42 <diki> only on windows?
659 2012-03-07 18:20:19 <BlueMatt> yea
660 2012-03-07 18:20:50 <diki> all of my bitcoinD crashes only have this: what(): std::bad_cast
661 2012-03-07 18:21:02 <Graet> diki, ecoinpool is capable of this
662 2012-03-07 18:22:29 <diki> But it is still in development by luke, I believe
663 2012-03-07 18:22:37 <diki> or is it production stable>
664 2012-03-07 18:22:50 <diki> s/stable/ready
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666 2012-03-07 18:25:18 <Graet> um ecoinpool isnt luke
667 2012-03-07 18:25:35 <Graet> i think ozcoin is the only pool using it in production
668 2012-03-07 18:25:36 <diki> Hmm, I vaguely remember him coding his own pool
669 2012-03-07 18:25:48 <diki> and it was strikingly similar to ecoinpool
670 2012-03-07 18:25:53 <Graet> eliopool or somethingh
671 2012-03-07 18:25:54 <diki> in terms of names
672 2012-03-07 18:26:01 <diki> Ah, it is possible
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677 2012-03-07 18:31:20 <diki> BlueMatt:Can you provide me with a headless bitcoin debug exe so that I can be as close as possible to the original bitcoind
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680 2012-03-07 18:34:11 <BlueMatt> uh, yea...give me a few hours though (Im about to go eat)
681 2012-03-07 18:39:15 <diki> Sure no problem
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687 2012-03-07 18:55:01 <makomk> libcoin: the only remarkable thing I can see about block 170050 is that there was another version of it that was orphaned...
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701 2012-03-07 19:25:56 <mcorlett> Issues with 0.6 (RC1 confirmed): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=63165.msg788832#msg788832
702 2012-03-07 19:26:35 <luke-jr> interesting
703 2012-03-07 19:26:49 <luke-jr> mcorlett: you didn't restart it yet, did you?
704 2012-03-07 19:26:55 <luke-jr> if not, please don't yet
705 2012-03-07 19:27:39 <mcorlett> luke-jr: Your wish is my command.
706 2012-03-07 19:27:50 <luke-jr> mcorlett: could you pastebin the last few pages of your debug.log?
707 2012-03-07 19:27:56 <mcorlett> On it.
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711 2012-03-07 19:32:38 <mcorlett> luke-jr: Didn't know where to start it: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=8hvP0Byq
712 2012-03-07 19:33:06 <mcorlett> From what I can tell, it gets stuck at height 170059 because of VerifySignature failing.
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714 2012-03-07 19:33:53 <libcoin> I am also stuck at 170059
715 2012-03-07 19:34:05 <libcoin> (but using libcoin...)
716 2012-03-07 19:35:11 <luke-jr> hmm
717 2012-03-07 19:35:37 <libcoin> same error though
718 2012-03-07 19:35:40 <libcoin> and also the tried to spend coinbase at depth 90
719 2012-03-07 19:35:56 <mcorlett> luke-jr: Let's hear it straight from the horse's mouth.
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723 2012-03-07 19:42:59 <luke-jr> oh duh
724 2012-03-07 19:43:09 <luke-jr> BIP 16
725 2012-03-07 19:43:34 <mcorlett> kjj reports RC2 is working fine.
726 2012-03-07 19:43:38 <luke-jr> yes
727 2012-03-07 19:43:38 <gmaxwell> hah. ah the older RC's still have the old dates.
728 2012-03-07 19:43:39 <luke-jr> it would
729 2012-03-07 19:43:49 <luke-jr> mcorlett: someone exploited an inactive BIP 16
730 2012-03-07 19:43:52 <BlueMatt> thats probably the problem them
731 2012-03-07 19:43:58 <BlueMatt> s/them/then/
732 2012-03-07 19:43:59 <luke-jr> rc1 activated it
733 2012-03-07 19:44:22 <mcorlett> I see. Isn't there a flag to set this date?
734 2012-03-07 19:44:30 <gmaxwell> Yes.
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736 2012-03-07 19:44:52 <gmaxwell> "If you're already supporting BIP16, restart bitcoind with the argument: -paytoscripthashtime=1333238400"
737 2012-03-07 19:48:19 <libcoin> gmaxwell: I don't think that is the culprit (I integrated BIP16 into libcoin and have strictPayToScriptHash=false until I have time to go over it all once again)
738 2012-03-07 19:48:38 <luke-jr> libcoin: should've done BIP 17 instead :<
739 2012-03-07 19:49:02 <libcoin> ;)
740 2012-03-07 19:49:03 <luke-jr> libcoin: anyhow, I looked at the transactions involved, and that is indeed the problem
741 2012-03-07 19:49:30 <libcoin> OK,thanks, then I will go over my code and check if I did actually enabled it
742 2012-03-07 19:49:40 <luke-jr> though I'm not certain it's an invalid BIP16 txn⦠if it's valid, then there's a bug in the BIP 16 impl
743 2012-03-07 19:50:09 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: can gitian build with -j1 ? :p
744 2012-03-07 19:51:09 <libcoin> bool connectInputs(const Transaction& tx, std::map<uint256, TxIndex>& mapTestPool, DiskTxPos posThisTx, const CBlockIndex* pindexBlock, int64& nFees, bool fBlock, bool fMiner, bool strictPayToScriptHash = true, int64 nMinFee = 0) const;
745 2012-03-07 19:51:20 <libcoin> ;) So I had it also on...
746 2012-03-07 19:51:34 <libcoin> thanks, will rebuild
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750 2012-03-07 19:52:52 <libcoin> Btw - I would live a happy life without bip16 and 17 - I really think multisig is enough...
751 2012-03-07 19:52:56 <libcoin> (not trolling)
752 2012-03-07 19:54:20 <diki> luke-jr:this doesnt bode well for bitcoin
753 2012-03-07 19:54:34 <diki> as some non tech savvy guy will think that anyone can arbitrarily steal coins
754 2012-03-07 19:55:01 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: sure
755 2012-03-07 19:55:29 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: just call gbuild with -j1
756 2012-03-07 19:55:35 <BlueMatt> or maybe it only will accept -j 1
757 2012-03-07 19:56:26 <luke-jr> libcoin: multisig isn't "enough" when you consider the need of "killer apps" for Bitcoin
758 2012-03-07 19:57:00 <luke-jr> libcoin: many-N multisig (hidden behind P2SH) enable all sorts of ways to prevent embezzelment in a corporate structure, for instance
759 2012-03-07 19:58:14 <luke-jr> libcoin: without P2SH, you'd have insanely long addresses for large non-standard transactions that people simply would *not* send to
760 2012-03-07 19:58:16 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: what is bip16/17 (short desc) again?
761 2012-03-07 19:58:30 <libcoin> I withdraw my comment - I don't mind the idea, I just think that the killer apps lies in something else than qr-codes
762 2012-03-07 19:58:33 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: moving scriptPubKey to the redemption side, basically
763 2012-03-07 19:58:45 <jrmithdobbs> ah
764 2012-03-07 19:58:45 <luke-jr> libcoin: P2SH isn't QR Codes :p
765 2012-03-07 19:58:52 <libcoin> but - I withdraw my comment - it did ended up as a troll
766 2012-03-07 19:59:24 <luke-jr> it also opens up doors in the future
767 2012-03-07 19:59:55 <libcoin> well, yes it is about qr codes - how to compress 3 pubkeyhashes into a few bytes, but I agree that it opens a door
768 2012-03-07 20:00:28 <luke-jr> libcoin: it could be 50 ;)
769 2012-03-07 20:00:39 <luke-jr> and part of a URI
770 2012-03-07 20:00:52 <luke-jr> that won't fit in an email without P2SH
771 2012-03-07 20:01:30 * luke-jr ponders how well "smart" compression of the blockchain assigning an id to each script would work
772 2012-03-07 20:01:35 <[eval]> luke-jr: that's one of the exciting things about multisig IMO... the idea that companies can force approval over funds spending, or even set things up so that companies that list shares/bonds on a certain market agree to that market's oversight by accepting all funds to and paying all expenditures through a multisig address
773 2012-03-07 20:01:50 <luke-jr> perhaps even use a variable-length ID and sort them by how common
774 2012-03-07 20:01:54 <[eval]> free-market self-regulation will be possible :>
775 2012-03-07 20:02:19 <jrmithdobbs> no it wont
776 2012-03-07 20:02:27 <jrmithdobbs> but that's a political not technical discussion ;p
777 2012-03-07 20:02:30 <libcoin> I dont buy the email argument, you can have it in an uri - there is room enough
778 2012-03-07 20:02:46 <libcoin> you could have an entire transaction there
779 2012-03-07 20:02:53 <luke-jr> libcoin: emails can't reasonably have lines longer than ~73 chars
780 2012-03-07 20:03:03 <jrmithdobbs> libcoin: there is not room in a uri for an M-of-N key where N > approx 5-6
781 2012-03-07 20:03:12 <jrmithdobbs> (i'd have to count to get the actual limit)
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783 2012-03-07 20:03:55 <jrmithdobbs> libcoin: there are hard limits on these things, they're just big enough you don't think about them often
784 2012-03-07 20:04:12 <jrmithdobbs> the email one is a misnomer since that's mostly just a crappy client wordwrapping issue
785 2012-03-07 20:04:29 <jrmithdobbs> and can be work around with html email if you really need it clickable anyways
786 2012-03-07 20:04:35 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: HTML email is considered bad practice
787 2012-03-07 20:04:40 <jrmithdobbs> by you
788 2012-03-07 20:05:02 <jrmithdobbs> but wordwrapping of clients wont matter for this use, that's a contrived case from someone that's not had to handle email processing in the real world ;p
789 2012-03-07 20:05:10 <luke-jr> by most people
790 2012-03-07 20:05:25 <jrmithdobbs> most people's clients wont wrap lines without whitespace
791 2012-03-07 20:05:28 <jrmithdobbs> if you actually go test
792 2012-03-07 20:05:57 <jrmithdobbs> the uri one is a good example though
793 2012-03-07 20:06:26 <jrmithdobbs> but then, I just see zero benefit in making people using ancient email client's lives easier, heh
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795 2012-03-07 20:07:19 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: or people with disabilities?
796 2012-03-07 20:07:35 <libcoin> you can have quite long urls, so it would work, but they are not nice in an email, but I still don't think that is the road towards a killer app - to copy and paste 34 chars from one app to the other
797 2012-03-07 20:07:51 <luke-jr> http://www.asciiribbon.org/
798 2012-03-07 20:09:10 <libcoin> luke-jr: I agree with you on sending text/plain emails, but I would say that rich/html emails are very successful ...
799 2012-03-07 20:09:17 <libcoin> I get them all the time
800 2012-03-07 20:10:58 <libcoin> (btw: I am up 2 date again - block 17084 after a proper reorganize)
801 2012-03-07 20:12:13 <libcoin> (but why did we get stuck at 17059 in the first place - the longer chain should have should have won...)
802 2012-03-07 20:16:23 <libcoin> (170084 that is...)
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804 2012-03-07 20:17:09 <luke-jr> that's true
805 2012-03-07 20:17:48 <luke-jr> libcoin: but the longer chain has the invalid BIP 16 txn
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807 2012-03-07 20:18:36 <libcoin> luke-jr: how - the rest of the network would have rejected it - so no more blocks in that
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810 2012-03-07 20:19:31 <luke-jr> libcoin: no, the network is fine with it
811 2012-03-07 20:19:35 <luke-jr> libcoin: nobody is enforcing BIP 16
812 2012-03-07 20:19:38 <luke-jr> no miners*
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816 2012-03-07 20:24:17 <libcoin> Ahh - had a look at "VerifyScript" you are right - we can actually do P2SH now, but the extra (BIP16) validation is off
817 2012-03-07 20:24:49 <jrmithdobbs> libcoin: there's actually a hard limits on uri length in the real world
818 2012-03-07 20:24:51 <jrmithdobbs> libcoin: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/417142/what-is-the-maximum-length-of-a-url
819 2012-03-07 20:25:02 <jrmithdobbs> it apparently currently stands at 2083 bytes
820 2012-03-07 20:25:10 <jrmithdobbs> as of dec 2011
821 2012-03-07 20:25:22 <jrmithdobbs> so it really is necessary for m-of-n sigs
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823 2012-03-07 20:27:15 <libcoin> jrmithdobbs: yes, but I would still consider that "a lot"
824 2012-03-07 20:27:37 <jrmithdobbs> depending on which scheme that's what M-of-20ish limit?
825 2012-03-07 20:27:39 <jrmithdobbs> that's pretty limiting
826 2012-03-07 20:28:01 <libcoin> but a for a 2 of 3, it would have been pretty doable
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828 2012-03-07 20:28:53 <libcoin> anyway - P2SH opens a door, which is probably good
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837 2012-03-07 20:40:51 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: please stop spreading FUD about BIP16: re: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=63165.msg788945#msg788945
838 2012-03-07 20:41:32 <gavinandresen> The only way you can use P2SH with rc1 is if you hack the code to remove the if (!fTestNet) condition from addmultisigaddress
839 2012-03-07 20:41:54 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: I didn't say rc1 allowed the creation of the transaction.
840 2012-03-07 20:42:06 <gavinandresen> No, you said "somebody got 0.004 bitcoins stolen"
841 2012-03-07 20:42:10 <luke-jr> they did.
842 2012-03-07 20:42:18 <luke-jr> at least as far as I can see.
843 2012-03-07 20:42:30 <gavinandresen> ... and the only way that happened is if they knew enough to hack the client to remove that safeguard
844 2012-03-07 20:42:34 <gmaxwell> more likely the person who put in the bogus spending traction also created the 0.004 one.
845 2012-03-07 20:42:36 <luke-jr> yes
846 2012-03-07 20:42:38 <luke-jr> I'll clarify that
847 2012-03-07 20:43:24 <gavinandresen> Thank you. Also re: "forcing" BIP16: rc1 includes BIP16 support so solo/p2pool miners have binaries to keep up with the big pools
848 2012-03-07 20:43:53 <gavinandresen> If there was no binary release with BIP16 support, then they'd be vulnerable when the big pools finally switch to BIP16 support
849 2012-03-07 20:44:03 <luke-jr> same goes for BIP 17
850 2012-03-07 20:44:35 <luke-jr> nothing stops non-mainline binaries
851 2012-03-07 20:44:49 <ageis> on a sidenote, interesting email from github re: ssh keys
852 2012-03-07 20:44:51 <gavinandresen> Speaking of BIP17... did it ever occur to you that the people who privately asked you to keep supporting it might not have the best interests of bitcoin at heart?
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854 2012-03-07 20:45:50 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: I try to always presume people have good intentions until there is evidence otherwise.
855 2012-03-07 20:46:27 <luke-jr> and regardless of their reasoning for the support, the fact is they have come to the correct conclusion
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858 2012-03-07 21:04:47 <diki> zomg
859 2012-03-07 21:04:49 <diki> new error
860 2012-03-07 21:05:00 <jrmithdobbs> bet it's related to same root error
861 2012-03-07 21:05:07 <diki> http://pastebin.com/AymNdYxy
862 2012-03-07 21:05:09 <jrmithdobbs> namely: diki at keyboard
863 2012-03-07 21:05:31 <diki> BlueMatt:this is the first time the error is different
864 2012-03-07 21:09:29 <diki> I thought I saw a fly, but it was just jrmithdobbs, nothing to see here folks
865 2012-03-07 21:12:20 <[eval]> are you trying to build boost?
866 2012-03-07 21:12:24 <[eval]> or bitcoin?
867 2012-03-07 21:12:28 <diki> none
868 2012-03-07 21:12:32 <[eval]> hrm, nm
869 2012-03-07 21:12:33 <diki> that is a crash of bitcoin
870 2012-03-07 21:12:39 <[eval]> sorry, i derped
871 2012-03-07 21:13:45 <libcoin> And does bitcoin use boost serialization ? (not as far as I know of...)
872 2012-03-07 21:14:22 <libcoin> the error is due to some serialization stuff from boost
873 2012-03-07 21:14:27 <luke-jr> O.o
874 2012-03-07 21:14:34 <jrmithdobbs> libcoin: yes it does
875 2012-03-07 21:14:35 <luke-jr> oh
876 2012-03-07 21:14:37 <luke-jr> maybe for JSON
877 2012-03-07 21:14:38 <jrmithdobbs> it's hidden by macros
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880 2012-03-07 21:15:51 <libcoin> what is it that bitcoin uses from boost that again uses serialization.hpp
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882 2012-03-07 21:16:19 <jrmithdobbs> grep for SERIAL
883 2012-03-07 21:16:23 <jrmithdobbs> iirc
884 2012-03-07 21:20:12 <libcoin> well, serialization.h (IMPLEMENT_SERIALIZE) is the only stuff I get in bitcoin, but that is not boost serialization - or did you mean grep boost for SERIAL ?
885 2012-03-07 21:23:10 <libcoin> (well, somehow bitcoin has to use optional.hpp if you get that boost error, but I am considering you might have something wrong with your boost setup)
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890 2012-03-07 21:36:30 <helo> is there a p2sh address generator tool?
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897 2012-03-07 21:45:51 <luke-jr> helo: 0.6 and next-test has one
898 2012-03-07 21:46:10 <luke-jr> libcoin: I think the JSON code uses boost
899 2012-03-07 21:46:15 <helo> neat :D
900 2012-03-07 21:46:21 <BlueMatt> diki: I dont know that its not the same error, I have a feeling it is some weird corruption somewhere that manifests it in one of a ton of different ways
901 2012-03-07 21:46:32 <BlueMatt> (which is why it often is very different in gdb, etc)
902 2012-03-07 21:46:37 <BlueMatt> does valgrind run on win32?
903 2012-03-07 21:48:17 <diki> doesnt appear to
904 2012-03-07 21:48:29 <BlueMatt> damn...
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906 2012-03-07 21:49:05 <BlueMatt> anyone have too much time on their hands and feel like running bitcoin in something found here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/413477/is-there-a-good-valgrind-substitute-for-windows
907 2012-03-07 21:49:20 <BlueMatt> (if any are anything like valgrind that would mean a ton of time...)
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909 2012-03-07 21:50:16 <helo> luke-jr: how flexible is it? i.e. what kinds of templates does it offer?
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911 2012-03-07 21:51:01 <luke-jr> helo: no idea
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915 2012-03-07 21:54:08 <diki> is it posssible to disable debug log?
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917 2012-03-07 21:54:37 <diki> Since PSJ often queries bitcoin about block count, it is often logged in the log
918 2012-03-07 21:55:04 <diki> I've noticed that as the log gets bigger, the crashes intensify
919 2012-03-07 21:55:19 <BlueMatt> really...
920 2012-03-07 21:55:30 <BlueMatt> are you sure its not a function of how long bitcoin has been running
921 2012-03-07 21:55:36 <diki> bope
922 2012-03-07 21:55:38 <diki> *nope
923 2012-03-07 21:55:50 <diki> It can happen from anywhere between days, and half an hour
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925 2012-03-07 21:55:55 <BlueMatt> :(
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929 2012-03-07 21:56:33 <BlueMatt> well running with valgrind under wine doesnt really help, it gets a ton off issues from wine itself...
930 2012-03-07 21:56:42 <diki> however the last crash was different
931 2012-03-07 21:56:52 <BlueMatt> how?
932 2012-03-07 21:57:07 <diki> Well, instead of std::bad_cast
933 2012-03-07 21:57:12 <diki> it said something about assertion failed
934 2012-03-07 21:58:20 <BlueMatt> hmm...
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937 2012-03-07 21:59:59 <BlueMatt> YAY :):):), got it to crash in valgrind
938 2012-03-07 22:00:11 <BlueMatt> now I just have to see if I can tell wtf is going on...
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940 2012-03-07 22:00:38 copumpkin is now known as smackles
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942 2012-03-07 22:01:50 <BlueMatt> anyone bored? http://pastebin.com/L7ApX81Q
943 2012-03-07 22:02:45 smackles is now known as copumpkin
944 2012-03-07 22:03:20 <forsetifox> Wow. Crazy errors. LOL
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948 2012-03-07 22:08:35 <DrHaribo> Safe mode: WARNING: Displayed transactions may not be correct! You may need to upgrade, or other nodes may need to upgrade.
949 2012-03-07 22:08:43 <DrHaribo> Anyone else seeing this? (bitcoind 0.6rc2)
950 2012-03-07 22:08:54 <diki> yes
951 2012-03-07 22:08:57 <diki> its a known bug
952 2012-03-07 22:09:12 <DrHaribo> What's the fix? Downgrade?
953 2012-03-07 22:09:18 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: why did you do that without debug symbols?
954 2012-03-07 22:09:32 <BlueMatt> jrmithdobbs: it has debug symbols :(
955 2012-03-07 22:09:47 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: only for system not for bitcoin
956 2012-03-07 22:09:48 <BlueMatt> rc2? that should only be on rc1 I though?
957 2012-03-07 22:10:01 <BlueMatt> jrmithdobbs: nope, it has them in bitcoin, Im looking into why its not showing them atm...
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959 2012-03-07 22:10:16 <BlueMatt> oh, wait no it doesnt, wtf?
960 2012-03-07 22:10:24 <BlueMatt> I guess I was running the wrong build...
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963 2012-03-07 22:10:34 <jrmithdobbs> suck
964 2012-03-07 22:10:41 <BlueMatt> sorry...
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966 2012-03-07 22:10:50 <mcorlett> DrHaribo: Are you sure you're on RC2?
967 2012-03-07 22:10:52 <jrmithdobbs> no i mean that in general, sucks when you do that
968 2012-03-07 22:10:53 <jrmithdobbs> heh
969 2012-03-07 22:10:57 <jrmithdobbs> not *you*
970 2012-03-07 22:11:08 <BlueMatt> well, I messed up either way...anyway, one sec rebuilding...
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972 2012-03-07 22:12:19 <BlueMatt> also, damn that thing crashed hard, just a few getinfos and one getwork
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974 2012-03-07 22:13:39 <DrHaribo> I did "git checkout v0.6.0rc2" and compiled
975 2012-03-07 22:13:46 <BlueMatt> wtf?
976 2012-03-07 22:14:17 <luke-jr> DrHaribo: next time do "git checkout next-test" :P
977 2012-03-07 22:14:51 <BlueMatt> DrHaribo: does debug.log show anything useful?
978 2012-03-07 22:15:22 <DrHaribo> luke-jr: What's next-test for?
979 2012-03-07 22:15:38 <DrHaribo> will check log..
980 2012-03-07 22:15:51 <luke-jr> DrHaribo: git master + mostly usable pull requests that need testing
981 2012-03-07 22:16:12 <luke-jr> (and if you're worried about stability, you really shouldn't be using RCs either :P)
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983 2012-03-07 22:16:51 <DrHaribo> Yeah, debug.log has some stuff about invalid chain found
984 2012-03-07 22:17:28 <luke-jr> DrHaribo: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=63165.msg788945#msg788945
985 2012-03-07 22:17:57 <BlueMatt> arg, the debug version wont even load...
986 2012-03-07 22:18:05 <BlueMatt> (in valgrind)
987 2012-03-07 22:18:12 <BlueMatt> (but it still crashes happily with getworks)
988 2012-03-07 22:18:14 <DrHaribo> reoganize failed... looks like the longest chain is deemed invalid
989 2012-03-07 22:18:31 <luke-jr> DrHaribo: see link
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993 2012-03-07 22:20:23 <BlueMatt> DrHaribo: can you load with -checkblocks ?
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995 2012-03-07 22:23:01 <DrHaribo> Somehow I missed this thing with -paytoscripthashtime=1333238400
996 2012-03-07 22:23:06 <DrHaribo> Works fine when started with that
997 2012-03-07 22:23:26 <Diablo-D3> http://adterrasperaspera.com/images/applesucks.jpg
998 2012-03-07 22:23:34 <BlueMatt> ah, ok good to hear
999 2012-03-07 22:24:07 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: and you expect apple to test their website with anything other than safari because...? obviously thats all anyone in the world uses
1000 2012-03-07 22:24:25 <DrHaribo> luke-jr: Thanks! :)
1001 2012-03-07 22:24:42 <luke-jr> DrHaribo: next step is to upgrade to BIP 17 <.<
1002 2012-03-07 22:25:42 <DrHaribo> Is there any point having both?
1003 2012-03-07 22:25:42 <Diablo-D3> lol
1004 2012-03-07 22:26:09 <DrHaribo> Well, I guess Tycho will decide what it will be ;)
1005 2012-03-07 22:26:57 <Eliel> if tycho goes BIP17, then we'll have a stalemate sort of :P
1006 2012-03-07 22:28:43 <diki> another issue I experience often is when I start bitcoind...even though it is specifically in server mode, it fails to connect to the RPC server
1007 2012-03-07 22:32:19 <jrmithdobbs> hopefully he wont
1008 2012-03-07 22:32:50 <BlueMatt> hopefully he does *something* soon...
1009 2012-03-07 22:32:54 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: haha, lots of shit breaks in unbranded firefox builds, why are you shocked by that
1010 2012-03-07 22:34:55 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: wtf is this empty bip18 crap?
1011 2012-03-07 22:35:17 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: are you seriously just reserving low numebered bips?
1012 2012-03-07 22:35:31 <BlueMatt> hey, lets all make a rush on low-numbered bips
1013 2012-03-07 22:35:37 <BlueMatt> everyone knows those are the best numbers
1014 2012-03-07 22:37:46 <jrmithdobbs> ugh, good to see that the whole BIP thing has turned into tonal vs non-tonal trolling
1015 2012-03-07 22:39:31 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: would you like BIP16 if we called it BIP-ton ?
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1017 2012-03-07 22:40:11 <Diablo-D3> jrmithdobbs: because theres no reason simple shit should break
1018 2012-03-07 22:40:35 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: so tell mozilla to implement html5 better and stop crying?
1019 2012-03-07 22:41:08 <Diablo-D3> why is anything on that page html5?
1020 2012-03-07 22:42:44 <jrmithdobbs> they use transitions and shit
1021 2012-03-07 22:42:49 <jrmithdobbs> on all their info pages
1022 2012-03-07 22:42:56 <Diablo-D3> huh
1023 2012-03-07 22:44:00 <Diablo-D3> its https everywhere breaking it
1024 2012-03-07 22:44:40 <BlueMatt> well, Id say you can still blame apple
1025 2012-03-07 22:44:47 <jrmithdobbs> oh they probably changed out a cert on the store update earlier
1026 2012-03-07 22:45:00 * BlueMatt is one of those who thinks every site on every server should disable http and only have https...
1027 2012-03-07 22:45:08 <jrmithdobbs> BlueMatt: more like blame broken ca model for making anyone thing ssl everywhere is a good idea
1028 2012-03-07 22:45:13 <jrmithdobbs> s/thing/think/
1029 2012-03-07 22:45:16 <BlueMatt> well, ok that too
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1032 2012-03-07 23:02:39 <luke-jr> DrHaribo: point in supporting both, is to remain neutral without opposing P2SH
1033 2012-03-07 23:02:53 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: haha, no :p
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1035 2012-03-07 23:03:28 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: BIP 18 is reserved for a specific purpose, and has two different texts based on whether BIP 16 or BIP 17 gets adopted.
1036 2012-03-07 23:03:39 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: so post both for now
1037 2012-03-07 23:03:53 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: I suppose that's a possibility.
1038 2012-03-07 23:04:01 <luke-jr> but then I'd have to finish writing both <.<
1039 2012-03-07 23:04:10 <luke-jr> which is kinda redundant work when only one is needed
1040 2012-03-07 23:04:29 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: then remove it completely and add it once it makes sense
1041 2012-03-07 23:04:39 <jrmithdobbs> there's no reason to be reserving bip numbers
1042 2012-03-07 23:04:57 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: it makes sense so we can continue to discuss BIP 18
1043 2012-03-07 23:05:23 <jrmithdobbs> but "we" can't
1044 2012-03-07 23:05:26 <jrmithdobbs> only "you" can
1045 2012-03-07 23:05:30 <jrmithdobbs> because there is no bip18
1046 2012-03-07 23:05:34 <luke-jr> instead of writing out "future BIP x"
1047 2012-03-07 23:05:40 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: there is
1048 2012-03-07 23:05:43 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: and it's been discussed before
1049 2012-03-07 23:05:56 <jrmithdobbs> so put a summary or something
1050 2012-03-07 23:05:59 <luke-jr> meh
1051 2012-03-07 23:06:06 <jrmithdobbs> a title and nothing else is stupid
1052 2012-03-07 23:06:17 <jrmithdobbs> especially with no related mailling list activity
1053 2012-03-07 23:06:34 <jrmithdobbs> there is no conversation about it anywhere that's logged and not a forum run by your business partner
1054 2012-03-07 23:06:47 <jrmithdobbs> well, i'm sure it's in the irc logs somewhere but that's not really searchable
1055 2012-03-07 23:07:11 <jrmithdobbs> so what is bip18?
1056 2012-03-07 23:07:34 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: there, happy?
1057 2012-03-07 23:07:57 <jrmithdobbs> yes, actually, thank you
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1059 2012-03-07 23:08:29 <jrmithdobbs> can you just remove bip20 too since noone but you is ever going to vote for something with tbc? (worth a shot! heh)
1060 2012-03-07 23:09:09 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: BIP 20 is an established Final standard, which BIP 21 wants to replace.
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1062 2012-03-07 23:09:45 <jrmithdobbs> oh it doesn't matter, missed this part: Status: Rejected
1063 2012-03-07 23:09:56 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: that's a mistake.
1064 2012-03-07 23:10:05 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: also, BIP 20 has nothign to do with Tonal
1065 2012-03-07 23:10:39 <jrmithdobbs> yes it does
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1067 2012-03-07 23:11:20 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: I'm not going to feed your trolling anymore.
1068 2012-03-07 23:11:53 <jrmithdobbs> yes asking for your proposal to contain words is totally trolling /rolleyes
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1081 2012-03-07 23:20:53 <denisx> sipa: how do you generate the hashrate distribution circle chart?
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1085 2012-03-07 23:28:31 <sipa> denisx: i never made no circle chart
1086 2012-03-07 23:29:05 <denisx> sipa: http://static.blockchain.info/pools.png?format=png
1087 2012-03-07 23:29:14 <denisx> sipa: this is not from you?
1088 2012-03-07 23:29:36 <sipa> no?
1089 2012-03-07 23:29:49 <sipa> it's piuk's site
1090 2012-03-07 23:30:28 <denisx> ah, ok
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1100 2012-03-07 23:52:39 <luke-jr> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67798.0
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