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  3 2012-03-16 00:10:17 <BlueMattBot> Yippie, build fixed!
  4 2012-03-16 00:10:18 <BlueMattBot> Project Bitcoind-Sanitytest build #195: FIXED in 1 hr 2 min: http://jenkins.bluematt.me/job/Bitcoind-Sanitytest/195/
  5 2012-03-16 00:10:31 <BlueMatt> hmm
  6 2012-03-16 00:11:17 <sipa> BlueMatt: i assume a fix to make it build on windows-mingw
  7 2012-03-16 00:11:22 <sipa> instead of linux-mingw
  8 2012-03-16 00:11:48 <BlueMatt> ?
  9 2012-03-16 00:12:00 <BlueMatt> no, it timed out last time, this time it didnt
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 11 2012-03-16 00:12:07 <luke-jr> sipa: you mean to me?
 12 2012-03-16 00:12:19 <luke-jr> sipa: I got that much, just like to understand why
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 15 2012-03-16 00:14:01 <sipa> ok
 16 2012-03-16 00:14:35 <luke-jr> especially when the commit doesn't tell me enough to decide if a backport is needed
 17 2012-03-16 00:15:09 <sipa> i assume yes, but not wait for it (unfounded assumption, wait for wumpus' comment)
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 36 2012-03-16 00:39:28 <splatster> What's the current testnet block height?  (blockexplorer.com/testnet seems to be 1000+ blocks behind)
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 41 2012-03-16 00:45:17 <sipa> depends on your version
 42 2012-03-16 00:45:48 <splatster> 0.5.3 for testnet
 43 2012-03-16 00:46:07 <splatster> I'm at 49668
 44 2012-03-16 00:47:11 <sipa> same (0.6.0rc3, which has the same rules as 0.5.3)
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 49 2012-03-16 00:48:40 <splatster> The release notes say that the newest update allows "mining of min-difficulty blocks if 20 minutes have gone
 50 2012-03-16 00:48:40 <splatster> by without mining a regular-difficulty block."
 51 2012-03-16 00:49:38 <splatster> What if someone mines a min-difficulty block using this rule?  Will the 20 minutes be reset?  Does it keep going until a normal block is found?
 52 2012-03-16 00:50:08 <sipa> The 20 minutes are reset, yes.
 53 2012-03-16 00:50:35 <luke-jr> is the difficulty reset too?
 54 2012-03-16 00:50:48 <sipa> Yes.
 55 2012-03-16 00:50:51 <luke-jr> hmm
 56 2012-03-16 00:51:13 <splatster> (just a thought) but maybe the difficulty changes should happen much more often on testnet.
 57 2012-03-16 00:51:27 <luke-jr> splatster: why?
 58 2012-03-16 00:51:59 <splatster> luke-jr: So that blocks come out at the network difficulty more often.
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 60 2012-03-16 00:52:22 <splatster> testnet mining seems quite sporadic.
 61 2012-03-16 00:53:13 <sipa> it seems to have gone up significantly since that new rule
 62 2012-03-16 00:54:38 <gavinandresen> No, difficulty isn't reset when a min-diff testnet block is found
 63 2012-03-16 00:54:55 <gavinandresen> And every 2016 blocks you still have to find a full-difficulty block
 64 2012-03-16 00:55:19 <sipa> It's reset to its original value before the 20-minute-easy block.
 65 2012-03-16 00:55:40 <sipa> (was what I meant, realize now it can also mean reset to its original min-difficulty)
 66 2012-03-16 00:56:30 <gavinandresen> sipa:  yup.
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 85 2012-03-16 01:41:38 <Samuel> Anyone want to see yet another concept?! (I know I keep making these, I enjoy it even if we don't use them.) http://cl.ly/1X1Q2Z1U131f3d1U1o3W
 86 2012-03-16 01:41:58 <Yeame> mhi samuel
 87 2012-03-16 01:42:11 <Samuel> Hey Yeame1
 88 2012-03-16 01:42:22 <Samuel> *Yeahme!
 89 2012-03-16 01:42:52 <gavinandresen> Samuel: needs more cowbell
 90 2012-03-16 01:43:18 <Samuel> Ok, but seriously... lol
 91 2012-03-16 01:43:52 <[Tycho]> "My Bitcoin" doesn't sounds good.
 92 2012-03-16 01:44:01 <Yeame> samuel:i like big icons on sidebar
 93 2012-03-16 01:44:08 <gavinandresen> Yeah, "My Cowbell" would be better
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 95 2012-03-16 01:44:33 <Samuel> Yeame: Me too, I wanted to give the deisgn a lot of breathing room
 96 2012-03-16 01:44:47 <luke-jr> Samuel: B⃦ is the standard BTC symbol fyi
 97 2012-03-16 01:44:52 <luke-jr> also, I'd align the amounts
 98 2012-03-16 01:45:05 <[Tycho]> Ok, but I hope you'll make TX icons much smaller :)
 99 2012-03-16 01:45:44 <Yeame> samuel: I liked this one good, just don't like sidebar color 188.138.99.157/stuff/qtvert16.png
100 2012-03-16 01:45:52 <luke-jr> I don't get the "cowbell" comments
101 2012-03-16 01:46:15 <Samuel> luke-jr: its a joke from someone, forgot who
102 2012-03-16 01:46:28 <Samuel> luke-jr: some actor I think
103 2012-03-16 01:47:11 <Samuel> luke-jr: That symbol is really detailed... I don't get it
104 2012-03-16 01:47:37 <Yeame> samuel: i think you could work improving the last screen link i sent you. like adding big icons, changing sidebar background color....
105 2012-03-16 01:48:20 <Samuel> Well, thats basically what I already did
106 2012-03-16 01:49:25 <Yeame> samuel: i like to see a mockup based on real work done by tcatm
107 2012-03-16 01:49:34 <Yeame> but ok
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110 2012-03-16 01:50:31 <Yeame> samuel: i didn't like you last mockup. the colors. but liked big icons
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112 2012-03-16 01:51:07 <Samuel> Yeame: What color don't you like?
113 2012-03-16 01:51:41 <Yeame> samuel: i don't like this blue
114 2012-03-16 01:52:08 <[Tycho]> Nice colors.
115 2012-03-16 01:52:10 <luke-jr> Yeame: colours are an OS setting
116 2012-03-16 01:52:17 <Yeame> ok
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118 2012-03-16 01:52:53 <Samuel> I thinking a image tiled background, so the colors stay the same, cross platform
119 2012-03-16 01:53:17 <luke-jr> Samuel: that's not cross-platform, it's forced platform.
120 2012-03-16 01:53:42 <luke-jr> "no matter what OS you use, this program is Mac!"
121 2012-03-16 01:54:14 <Yeame> samuel: but i liked the changes
122 2012-03-16 01:54:49 <Samuel> luke-jr: Well you understand what I mean. I guess as a designer I find the little details extremely important, like texture instead of a solid color and drop-shadow
123 2012-03-16 01:55:32 <Yeame> samuel: i really wanted to see the top big wallet with orange bitcoin icon. but tcatm maybe don't want or have time to code it
124 2012-03-16 01:58:28 <Yeame> samuel: looking better now, your last mockup is a god improvement
125 2012-03-16 01:58:32 <Yeame> good
126 2012-03-16 01:58:36 <luke-jr> nanotube: might want to ban chk, he's setting up a botnet
127 2012-03-16 02:00:50 <nanotube> luke-jr: what kind of botnet?
128 2012-03-16 02:00:59 <luke-jr> nanotube: mining botnet
129 2012-03-16 02:01:01 <Samuel> luke-jr: and my last mockup isn't Mac oriented at all, unless only good-looking apps exclusively belong to the mac. (Which is not the case because I've seen lost of greatly designed windows apps.)
130 2012-03-16 02:01:12 <luke-jr> he was in #cgminer trying to get help building a custom version for it
131 2012-03-16 02:01:14 <Samuel> *lots
132 2012-03-16 02:02:55 <Yeame> samuel: probably on my linux i'll not see main window with whhite background like your ladr mockup. right?
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134 2012-03-16 02:03:26 <Yeame> samuel: will be ike this 188.138.99.157/stuff/qtvert16.png
135 2012-03-16 02:03:31 <Yeame> ?
136 2012-03-16 02:04:25 <Yeame> samuel: if the standard is not white background. ii think sidebar could be white
137 2012-03-16 02:04:27 <luke-jr> Yeame: well, Samuel just draws the pictures; someone else needs to make it real
138 2012-03-16 02:04:51 <luke-jr> I'd expect on Linux, we'll get our configured background, with the configured alternate background for the sidebar
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187 2012-03-16 03:45:41 <Slix`> Why is this channel logged?
188 2012-03-16 03:45:59 <luke-jr> why not?
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190 2012-03-16 03:47:02 <Slix`> luke-jr: It's somewhat alarming. :P
191 2012-03-16 03:47:10 <luke-jr> Slix`: O.o
192 2012-03-16 03:47:36 <Slix`> Your conversation is being monitored and posted online.
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197 2012-03-16 03:51:39 <BlueMatt> its the standard for any dev channel to be logged
198 2012-03-16 03:51:48 <BlueMatt> plus its not like most irc clients dont log by default anyway...
199 2012-03-16 03:52:01 <BlueMatt> chances are >50% of the people idling in here are logging...
200 2012-03-16 03:52:14 <theymos> It's nice to have a public log available.
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202 2012-03-16 03:52:59 <Slix`> Yeah, still.
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208 2012-03-16 04:01:25 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: why are you betting against Bitcoin?
209 2012-03-16 04:01:44 <BlueMatt> what, Im not allowed to bet?
210 2012-03-16 04:03:19 <luke-jr> that's not the problem :p
211 2012-03-16 04:03:28 <luke-jr> I want to know why you think Bitcoin is likely to drop $1 in 24 hours
212 2012-03-16 04:05:13 <unicron> slix`: never say anything in plaintext that you wouldn't say in public
213 2012-03-16 04:07:11 <unicron> nobody wants to internalize paranoia but it's a good habit
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218 2012-03-16 04:12:21 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: ok, it wont go down $1, thats ridiculous, but Ive always felt bitcoin is overvalued
219 2012-03-16 04:12:53 <BlueMatt> also, its up recently, so if we all pretend to have insider info and bet against bitcoin, it has to go down, right?
220 2012-03-16 04:13:41 <unicron> i heard the market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent
221 2012-03-16 04:13:56 <BlueMatt> thats probably true
222 2012-03-16 04:14:08 <BlueMatt> actually, has always been true of bitcoin
223 2012-03-16 04:14:58 <unicron> bitcoin would be nothing without silk road...  maybe in future it will be something despite it
224 2012-03-16 04:15:27 <BlueMatt> I think you'd be surprised how little of bitcoin is actually silkroad
225 2012-03-16 04:16:07 <unicron> it's not like they publish stats
226 2012-03-16 04:16:16 <BlueMatt> true,  but Im just guessing ;)
227 2012-03-16 04:16:20 <unicron> i just remember the price shooting up to $30 when silkroad hit the news
228 2012-03-16 04:16:32 <unicron> obviously contraband is a killer app
229 2012-03-16 04:16:33 <BlueMatt> it shot up to $30 when a ton of stuff hit the news
230 2012-03-16 04:16:49 <BlueMatt> not just silkroad, but a ton of people picked it up and barely mentioned silk road in articles
231 2012-03-16 04:17:08 <unicron> yeah but i suspect the actual demand came from drug users
232 2012-03-16 04:17:10 <luke-jr> nobody is auditing my BIP 16 backport :<
233 2012-03-16 04:17:20 <luke-jr> unicron: I doubt it.
234 2012-03-16 04:17:32 <luke-jr> I've completely assimilated to Bitcoin.
235 2012-03-16 04:17:37 <luke-jr> and I don't use drugs.
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237 2012-03-16 04:17:46 <da2ce7> lol
238 2012-03-16 04:18:00 <BlueMatt> <luke-jr> and I don't use drugs. <-- heh
239 2012-03-16 04:18:06 <luke-jr> that is, I'm not trying to "cash out" and I practically *expect* payment online in Bitcoins
240 2012-03-16 04:18:12 <BlueMatt> oh, wait no your religious beliefs would have to mean you cant...
241 2012-03-16 04:18:13 <BlueMatt> damn
242 2012-03-16 04:18:37 * BlueMatt thinks luke-jr may be the only catholic who would avoid drugs solely because of the bible...
243 2012-03-16 04:18:53 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: more like solely because of the civil laws.
244 2012-03-16 04:19:12 <luke-jr> but tbh, I'd avoid drugs even if they were legal
245 2012-03-16 04:19:13 <unicron> hypocrites are pretty common in every domain
246 2012-03-16 04:19:18 <luke-jr> simply because I like to be in control of my own mind
247 2012-03-16 04:19:47 <unicron> vigilance is nice
248 2012-03-16 04:20:05 <da2ce7> luke-jr: I like your bip 18
249 2012-03-16 04:20:10 <luke-jr> da2ce7: I noticed.
250 2012-03-16 04:21:18 <luke-jr> da2ce7: care to audit my backport?
251 2012-03-16 04:21:22 <luke-jr> https://github.com/luke-jr/bitcoin/commit/b2f0b7bf64ab82cf4f8fc3cca2e3bc208e153fb0
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253 2012-03-16 04:21:47 <da2ce7> my audit won't mean much... as I'm not that good at c++
254 2012-03-16 04:21:56 <luke-jr> da2ce7: better than no audit :<
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256 2012-03-16 04:22:24 <luke-jr> I know nobody has audited it so far because I found a fairly obvious bug that nobody reported to me <.<
257 2012-03-16 04:22:42 * luke-jr is leaving it in until he's satisfied someone else has done a careful look :p
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262 2012-03-16 04:37:25 <zargon> hello. i can't seem to get the format right on addmultisigaddress. keeps saying 'error type mismatch'. can someone give me an example
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265 2012-03-16 04:48:55 <luke-jr> zargon: on testnet?
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268 2012-03-16 04:49:34 <zargon> yea. i figured it out finally. you have to use brackets (even though the meaning is different for all the other rpc calls). bad doc is all
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296 2012-03-16 07:06:45 <splatster> IDK if you guys will give two shits about this.
297 2012-03-16 07:07:05 <splatster> But this chan is a ghost town right now, so it can't be spam :)
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299 2012-03-16 07:07:10 <copumpkin> oh god.
300 2012-03-16 07:07:18 <splatster> lol!
301 2012-03-16 07:07:40 <splatster> copumpkin: You know what I'm going to say.
302 2012-03-16 07:08:02 <splatster> copumpkin: Should I?
303 2012-03-16 07:08:12 <copumpkin> I'd say no
304 2012-03-16 07:08:20 <splatster> :/
305 2012-03-16 07:08:26 <splatster> ok then...
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318 2012-03-16 08:01:32 <sipa> BlueMatt: pong
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329 2012-03-16 08:22:05 <sipa> ;;later tell VlueMatt pong
330 2012-03-16 08:22:05 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
331 2012-03-16 08:22:52 <makomk> VlueMatt?
332 2012-03-16 08:23:26 <sipa> ow, typo!
333 2012-03-16 08:23:36 <sipa> damn offline people
334 2012-03-16 08:24:01 <sipa> ;;later tell BlueMatt pong
335 2012-03-16 08:24:01 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
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357 2012-03-16 09:02:42 <fiddur> Hmm, I just upgraded from 0.5.2 to 0.5.3, and second time I started bitcoin-qt all my mined transactions are gone (testnet)... now they don't show up when starting 0.5.2 either :P
358 2012-03-16 09:04:01 <sipa> fiddur: network rules changes, so you were mining a different chain in 0.5.2
359 2012-03-16 09:05:34 <fiddur> So the old bitcoins I had just disappears?  I hope that's just possible  in testnet?
360 2012-03-16 09:05:47 <sipa> of course, mainnet is never reset :D
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363 2012-03-16 09:09:34 <fiddur> sipa: Ok.  I'll just wait for next block again then; they're quite irregular in testnet :D
364 2012-03-16 09:11:05 <sipa> it should be better now, the new testnet is easier to mine
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378 2012-03-16 10:02:55 <Joric> could anyone explain in short what's 'Add checkpoint at block 168,000.'?
379 2012-03-16 10:05:20 <wumpus> it means that the client embeds the hash at that block, so that it can verify it has the common chain
380 2012-03-16 10:05:32 <wumpus> (up until that block)
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382 2012-03-16 10:07:44 <Joric> are you planning to eliminate fully spent transactions below this checkpoint in the future
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393 2012-03-16 11:26:24 <Eliel> Joric: I believe that is going to be an optional feature for those that want it.
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397 2012-03-16 11:33:40 <wumpus> Joric: all fully spend transactions can theoretically be eliminated, not just those before the checkpoint
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400 2012-03-16 11:54:58 <Eliel> Joric: the checkpoints are there mostly to prevent new nodes on the network being fed a false chain.
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432 2012-03-16 13:38:35 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: laanwj opened pull request 941 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/941>
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451 2012-03-16 14:18:03 <Joric> how to sync a fork to fork origin?
452 2012-03-16 14:18:19 <Joric> i want to create a pull request based on current state
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454 2012-03-16 14:18:52 <Joric> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4571.0 it's not covering it
455 2012-03-16 14:18:56 <graingert> Joric: git hub should let you do it
456 2012-03-16 14:19:04 <gavinandresen> git rebase origin/master
457 2012-03-16 14:19:09 <graingert> that
458 2012-03-16 14:19:14 <graingert> github has a fancy interface
459 2012-03-16 14:19:28 <Joric> thanks!
460 2012-03-16 14:19:33 <gavinandresen> ... then you'll need to git push -f  to get it up to github
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478 2012-03-16 14:55:40 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: joric opened pull request 18 on bitcoin/bitcoin.org <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/pull/18>
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505 2012-03-16 15:43:47 <t7> the 'New' in 'New news' seems a bit redundant...
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518 2012-03-16 16:35:17 <tcatm> t7: Calling it 'old' news would be more correct. I always get those news here after reading those emails :)
519 2012-03-16 16:35:34 <t7> haha
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530 2012-03-16 16:58:21 <BlueMatt> ;;seen tcatm
531 2012-03-16 16:58:22 <gribble> tcatm was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 23 minutes and 4 seconds ago: <tcatm> t7: Calling it 'old' news would be more correct. I always get those news here after reading those emails :)
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533 2012-03-16 16:59:46 <tcatm> BlueMatt: pong. I'm going to update the translations now.
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537 2012-03-16 17:02:33 <tcatm> I wonder if transifex API would allow to automate the process...
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546 2012-03-16 17:12:02 <helo> someone in #bitcoin says their client is stuck on block 170575
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548 2012-03-16 17:12:39 <helo> is this the same as what others have been running into?
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550 2012-03-16 17:15:28 * BlueMatt -> class (Ill try to stay on irc on my phone, but you never know how well that works...)
551 2012-03-16 17:15:31 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: ^
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556 2012-03-16 17:19:10 <nathan7> I read that as blue-batmobile
557 2012-03-16 17:19:24 <BlueMatt-mobile> Heh
558 2012-03-16 17:21:01 <splatster> haha
559 2012-03-16 17:21:31 BlueMatt-mobile is now known as Blue-Batmobile
560 2012-03-16 17:21:34 <nathan7> \o/
561 2012-03-16 17:21:48 <splatster> Na na na na na na na, Blue Batman!
562 2012-03-16 17:21:54 <Blue-Batmobile> Heh
563 2012-03-16 17:22:17 <Blue-Batmobile> You discovered my secret idebtity...
564 2012-03-16 17:22:35 Blue-Batmobile is now known as BlueMatt-mobile
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566 2012-03-16 17:23:52 <splatster> BlueMatt-mobile == Adam West
567 2012-03-16 17:24:05 <sipa> ?
568 2012-03-16 17:24:06 <BlueMatt-mobile> Heh
569 2012-03-16 17:24:59 <gmaxwell> nananan-bitcoin!
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571 2012-03-16 17:26:08 <Graet> lol
572 2012-03-16 17:26:56 <gmaxwell> a billionaire philanthropist playboy who likes technology and protecting the public who operates under a pseudonym...  ! Batman is satoshi!
573 2012-03-16 17:27:32 <BlueMatt> Haha
574 2012-03-16 17:28:40 <sipa> *finally* we got him
575 2012-03-16 17:29:01 <sipa> wait, all we do have is two pseudonyms now :(
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577 2012-03-16 17:29:31 <t7> dead parents are a strong motivator
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580 2012-03-16 17:31:32 <Graet> BlueMattman is satoshi?
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582 2012-03-16 17:31:37 <Graet> ic ic
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585 2012-03-16 17:33:57 <nathan7> t7: someone should kill my parents I guess
586 2012-03-16 17:34:02 <nathan7> I'm not terribly motivated
587 2012-03-16 17:34:07 <BlueMatt> ...
588 2012-03-16 17:34:22 <nathan7> IT'S JUST AN IDEA, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT
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590 2012-03-16 17:34:31 <nathan7> wait, I just made it worse, didn't I
591 2012-03-16 17:34:39 <sipa> ye
592 2012-03-16 17:34:49 * BlueMatt-mobile goes to call 911
593 2012-03-16 17:35:50 <forsetifox> Why is Batman calling 911?
594 2012-03-16 17:36:37 <BlueMatt-mobile> Good point...
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611 2012-03-16 18:04:37 <t7> should i risk a pizza?
612 2012-03-16 18:04:43 <t7> havnt eaten for a couple of days
613 2012-03-16 18:04:57 <luke-jr> just be sure it's meatless
614 2012-03-16 18:05:14 <luke-jr> maybe some V8 Fusion to go with it
615 2012-03-16 18:05:22 <t7> sounds fast
616 2012-03-16 18:06:37 <tcatm> BlueMatt: updated.
617 2012-03-16 18:07:13 <luke-jr> hum
618 2012-03-16 18:07:24 <luke-jr> I guess I was too liberal with "bugfix" classification
619 2012-03-16 18:07:33 <luke-jr> significant complaints about the progress bar change
620 2012-03-16 18:07:51 <BlueMatt> tcatm: thanks
621 2012-03-16 18:07:52 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: wumpus pointed out that we can't win there.
622 2012-03-16 18:08:07 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: unless we get rid of the bar
623 2012-03-16 18:08:12 <luke-jr> just display number of blocks left
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625 2012-03-16 18:08:51 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: who the heck noticed it changed?
626 2012-03-16 18:09:02 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: multiple people posting on 0.5.3 thread
627 2012-03-16 18:09:10 <gmaxwell> Link?
628 2012-03-16 18:09:19 <wumpus> let's get rid of the UI and switch to a commandline client :P
629 2012-03-16 18:09:26 <luke-jr> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=68895.new;topicseen#new
630 2012-03-16 18:09:45 <luke-jr> wumpus: btw, what do you think of Samuel/tcatm's GUI redesigns?
631 2012-03-16 18:09:56 <wumpus> anyway, the current behaviour was the original behaviour, and it's the only one that makes sense
632 2012-03-16 18:10:09 <wumpus> progress bars display total progress not partial progress
633 2012-03-16 18:10:14 <wumpus> luke-jr: it's neat
634 2012-03-16 18:10:16 <gmaxwell> I .. am befuddled by the complaint that its useless coupled with the recommendation to hide it completely! :)
635 2012-03-16 18:10:28 <wumpus> lol gmaxwell
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637 2012-03-16 18:10:47 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: if it's not there, they can't complain!
638 2012-03-16 18:11:12 <wumpus> if you show the block number they complain that they don't understand the number
639 2012-03-16 18:11:17 <wumpus> been there, done that
640 2012-03-16 18:11:21 <luke-jr> sigh
641 2012-03-16 18:11:29 <luke-jr> wumpus: I was suggesting blocks remaining
642 2012-03-16 18:11:31 <wumpus> we can't win
643 2012-03-16 18:11:34 <luke-jr> at least they can time that
644 2012-03-16 18:11:43 <luke-jr> maybe "5 blocks remaining; ETA: 5 minutes"
645 2012-03-16 18:11:49 <gmaxwell> We just need a great big happy face icon.
646 2012-03-16 18:11:51 <luke-jr> s/remaining/left
647 2012-03-16 18:11:54 <luke-jr> lol
648 2012-03-16 18:12:03 <gmaxwell> "DON'T PANIC"
649 2012-03-16 18:12:05 <wumpus> lol
650 2012-03-16 18:12:12 <pusle> ^^
651 2012-03-16 18:12:48 <gmaxwell> Issue 2348:  "Happy face did not become sad when all my coin was stolen! I think its mocking me!"
652 2012-03-16 18:13:07 <luke-jr> LOL
653 2012-03-16 18:13:17 <forsetifox> Heh.
654 2012-03-16 18:13:19 <Graet> LOL
655 2012-03-16 18:13:28 <nanotube> gmaxwell: haha
656 2012-03-16 18:13:59 <luke-jr> actually, I wonder if anyone's ever done an experiment
657 2012-03-16 18:14:06 <luke-jr> just put smileys all over the program in blank spaces
658 2012-03-16 18:14:11 <luke-jr> see how it affects user behavious
659 2012-03-16 18:14:14 <pusle> blockchain torrent perhaps?
660 2012-03-16 18:14:14 <luke-jr> behaviour*
661 2012-03-16 18:14:22 <luke-jr> pusle: go away
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663 2012-03-16 18:14:28 <pusle> xD
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665 2012-03-16 18:15:15 <BlueMatt> how many times have I heard that suggestion...
666 2012-03-16 18:15:52 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: τ
667 2012-03-16 18:18:33 <nanotube> how can you hear a suggestion .28 times?
668 2012-03-16 18:18:35 <nanotube> >_> :)
669 2012-03-16 18:19:01 <luke-jr> nanotube: "DHT"
670 2012-03-16 18:19:06 <luke-jr> counts as a partial
671 2012-03-16 18:19:09 <nanotube> haha
672 2012-03-16 18:19:58 <gmaxwell> ;;bc,blocks
673 2012-03-16 18:20:02 <gribble> 171427
674 2012-03-16 18:21:10 <nanotube> ;;pet
675 2012-03-16 18:21:11 <gribble> *purrrrrrrr*
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699 2012-03-16 19:15:34 <gmaxwell> gavinandresen: I'm about to push tags for 0.6.0rc4 unless you're around and have objections.
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701 2012-03-16 19:17:09 <BlueMatt-mobile> Hes out
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705 2012-03-16 19:18:13 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt-mobile: thus the unless. It's done.
706 2012-03-16 19:18:59 <gmaxwell> FWIW, I'm going to be in the air from about 5pm to about 9pm eastern.
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708 2012-03-16 19:19:32 <BlueMatt-mobile> Meh, ok ill get builds going for rrlease later today (hopefully before 5)
709 2012-03-16 19:19:49 <BlueMatt-mobile> Anyone else gitian capable around?
710 2012-03-16 19:20:05 <BlueMatt-mobile> devrandom tcatm sipa ^
711 2012-03-16 19:20:17 <BlueMatt-mobile> luke-jr ^
712 2012-03-16 19:20:18 <wumpus> yes
713 2012-03-16 19:20:19 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: ^
714 2012-03-16 19:20:57 <BlueMatt-mobile> Start building 0.6rc4 if you dont mind (have to rebuild qt-win32 first)
715 2012-03-16 19:22:08 <wumpus> I'm already building 0.5.3.1 at the moment, will do 0.6rc4 next
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728 2012-03-16 19:34:33 <copumpkin> did bitcoin apply as an org?
729 2012-03-16 19:34:35 <luke-jr> wumpus: what is 0.5.3.1?
730 2012-03-16 19:34:40 <copumpkin> for GSOC 2012?
731 2012-03-16 19:35:29 <copumpkin> if not, it'd be cool to do next year
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734 2012-03-16 19:37:36 <jm9000> BlueMatt: Did you get a chance to look at that 0.6.0 blockchain I uploaded yet?
735 2012-03-16 19:37:47 <BlueMatt> jm9000: no, Ive been a bit...distracted
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737 2012-03-16 19:38:05 <jm9000> Ok, I'll hold off on deleting that then.
738 2012-03-16 19:38:18 <BlueMatt> meh, Ive downloaded it, just havent had a chance to look into it yet
739 2012-03-16 19:38:58 <BlueMatt> you can delete it if you want, Ive got it
740 2012-03-16 19:38:59 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: where'd you push it?
741 2012-03-16 19:39:00 <BlueMatt> thanks
742 2012-03-16 19:39:08 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: master.
743 2012-03-16 19:39:09 <mcorlett> I was very graciously sent the Bitcoin 0.1.0 source by Hal Finney. Diffs: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=vBYdkMhY http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=pbcndUsS (omitting bitcoin.exe for obvious reasons)
744 2012-03-16 19:39:12 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: it's not there.
745 2012-03-16 19:39:38 <theymos> mcorlett: I'd love to see the detailed changes.
746 2012-03-16 19:40:04 <BlueMatt> mcorlett: fun
747 2012-03-16 19:40:13 <BlueMatt> someone should preserve that in git
748 2012-03-16 19:40:37 <theymos> Hal was probably the only person (maybe besides Satoshi) who still had a copy. We're lucky he published it.
749 2012-03-16 19:40:50 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: thanks. Forgot to push the actual tag. It should be there now.
750 2012-03-16 19:42:38 <theymos> mcorlett: (Missed the second pastebin... I see it now.)
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752 2012-03-16 19:52:36 <luke-jr> wumpus: ping
753 2012-03-16 19:52:52 <luke-jr> f941773 Fix windows build in windows Qt SDK <-- does this affect 0.5 ?
754 2012-03-16 19:54:25 <wumpus> the ole32/iid was introduced by the change that re-added "start on startup" on windows
755 2012-03-16 19:54:39 <wumpus> I'm not sure whether that was in already for 0.5
756 2012-03-16 19:55:32 <luke-jr> f18a119 seems to be the commit, and isn't in 0.5
757 2012-03-16 19:55:39 <wumpus> ok
758 2012-03-16 19:56:27 <luke-jr> 08ed96d Yet another attempt at implementing "minimize to tray" that works on all OSes <-- was this a fix?
759 2012-03-16 19:56:37 <luke-jr> ie, did some platform actually have a problem?
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763 2012-03-16 19:58:24 <wumpus> yes
764 2012-03-16 19:59:12 <wumpus> pull request 941
765 2012-03-16 19:59:46 <Joric> saved the world, again, https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/pull/18
766 2012-03-16 20:00:03 <BlueMatt> heh, why do we keep forgetting to do that?
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768 2012-03-16 20:00:24 <BlueMatt> Joric: wanna add it to doc/release-process.txt so that we dont in the future?
769 2012-03-16 20:00:39 <gmaxwell> Keeps joric employed.
770 2012-03-16 20:00:58 <BlueMatt> well alright, lets just say that is now officially Joric's responsibility
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781 2012-03-16 20:08:52 <luke-jr> wumpus: I'm confused. Was the issue Windows-only or non-Windows-only?
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784 2012-03-16 20:10:13 <wumpus> windows only, afaik it worked on linux
785 2012-03-16 20:10:44 <wumpus> then again, it's almost impossible to say with all the different wms
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787 2012-03-16 20:10:55 <gmaxwell> Well — it didn't get many complaints at least.
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789 2012-03-16 20:11:09 <wumpus> because no one is using it
790 2012-03-16 20:11:15 <gmaxwell> Perhaps skip backporting it for now because it's not quite trivial? (you're talking about the minimize thing?)
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792 2012-03-16 20:14:59 <luke-jr> any opinions on d68dcf7 (sipa/minireorg, origin-pull/930/head) Limit the impact of reorganisations on the database
793 2012-03-16 20:15:01 <luke-jr> ?
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800 2012-03-16 20:21:40 <gmaxwell> I think it should be backported too.
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802 2012-03-16 20:23:49 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: laanwj opened pull request 2 on bitcoin/gitian.sigs <https://github.com/bitcoin/gitian.sigs/pull/2>
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804 2012-03-16 20:29:45 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: for this release? I'm inclined to wait since 0.5 can't load 0.6 wallets anyway
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806 2012-03-16 20:31:27 <gmaxwell> Yea.. I was kinda thinking about waiting. I kinda wish the releases were a little more staggered.
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816 2012-03-16 20:49:00 <luke-jr> pushed tags for 0.4.5, 0.5.0.5, and 0.5.4
817 2012-03-16 20:50:16 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: can you build one?
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819 2012-03-16 20:51:09 <luke-jr> testnet mining was broken, so I figured it warranted a bump <.<
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827 2012-03-16 21:03:17 <midnightmagic> i have found no references to "coincontrol" nor "coin control" nor "coderr" (yes I know there are more r's, I'm reducing for greater coverage) in any of the posts of bitcoin-development I have received. what is currently stopping its merge into mainline?
828 2012-03-16 21:05:26 <luke-jr> check pull requests
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830 2012-03-16 21:05:41 <midnightmagic> ah
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835 2012-03-16 21:07:52 <midnightmagic> pull request has nothing since laanwj rebased against the then-current, although coderrr has a fresh commit he added as of.. like yesterday.
836 2012-03-16 21:08:01 <midnightmagic> (against 0.5.3)
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839 2012-03-16 21:14:05 <nanotube> 'last received block was generated %n second ago'. that is what the tooltip on my bitcoin-qt 0.5.2 shows. bug?
840 2012-03-16 21:14:55 <BlueMatt> no one have 0.6.0rc4 sigs yet?
841 2012-03-16 21:15:19 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: you are still maintaining 0.4.x?
842 2012-03-16 21:15:38 <midnightmagic> then i guess i'll alter my question somewhat. in the dev mailing list, gavin instructs miners to upgrade or risk mining on a minority chain. will both 0.5.3 and the github head work for miners?
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844 2012-03-16 21:16:53 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: yes
845 2012-03-16 21:17:32 <luke-jr> nanotube: fixed in 0.5.3
846 2012-03-16 21:17:59 <nanotube> luke-jr: ah ok thanks
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848 2012-03-16 21:19:52 <gavinandresen> midnightmagic: 0.5.3 won't work, the plan is a 0.5.something next week (cross fingers, knock on wood) with minimal BIP16 support (I just asked Luke to hold off on 0.5.4 to try to avoid version fatigue)
849 2012-03-16 21:20:24 <midnightmagic> gavinandresen: thank you, much obliged.
850 2012-03-16 21:21:41 <midnightmagic> gavinandresen: now that I am paying attention to bitcoin-development@ more, are these remaining pieces (and plans) discussed here in -dev or the code itself, or is there another source of information I should be tapping into to reduce my question load on you folks?
851 2012-03-16 21:21:56 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt: just pushed 0.6rc4 sigs
852 2012-03-16 21:22:08 <luke-jr> midnightmagic: 0.5.3 will work for BIP30
853 2012-03-16 21:22:16 <luke-jr> just not Apr 1 BIP16
854 2012-03-16 21:22:24 <midnightmagic> ok
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857 2012-03-16 21:25:10 <gavinandresen> midnightmagic: nitty-gritty stuff like exactly what will be released when tends to get discussed here in IRC and then announced to the forums and the mailing list.  I'm trying to get higher-level design discussions to happen mostly on the mailing list.
858 2012-03-16 21:25:57 <midnightmagic> gavinandresen: thank you
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880 2012-03-16 22:05:37 <[Tycho]> Hello, devs.
881 2012-03-16 22:08:07 <Raccoon> Now you have no excuse not to know about electrical engineering and computer science.  http://mitx.mit.edu/  --  MIT's free EE-CS classes!
882 2012-03-16 22:09:10 <gavinandresen> howdy [Tycho]
883 2012-03-16 22:09:40 <copumpkin> gavinandresen: have you considered doing a bitcoin GSOC (as an organization) next year?
884 2012-03-16 22:10:42 <[Tycho]> I wonder - will something break if I'll insert TXes in controlled order in CreateNewBlock...
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891 2012-03-16 22:30:07 <sipa> gavinandresen, BlueMatt: are new build/downloads of qt-win32 necessary for 0.6.0rc4?
892 2012-03-16 22:30:18 <BlueMatt> yes
893 2012-03-16 22:30:29 <BlueMatt> just build, no dl (should be) neccessary
894 2012-03-16 22:30:45 <BlueMatt> not for 0.5.3.1, just 0.6rc4
895 2012-03-16 22:30:50 <BlueMatt> (use the old ones for 0.5.3.1)
896 2012-03-16 22:31:04 <sipa> qt build is determinstic now?
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900 2012-03-16 22:34:33 <BlueMatt> no, but it doesnt effect bitcoin-build-output
901 2012-03-16 22:34:42 <BlueMatt> (I think, I didnt actually bother to check if its deterministic)
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905 2012-03-16 22:40:07 <sipa> ok, building 0.5.3.1
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912 2012-03-16 23:00:55 <Eliel> 5.3.1 is the BIP-16 enabled version of 5.x line?
913 2012-03-16 23:01:21 <BlueMatt> no, it does not contain bip16
914 2012-03-16 23:02:02 <Eliel> 5.3 contained something that needed fixing?
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951 2012-03-16 23:54:57 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: Diapolo opened pull request 942 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/942>
952 2012-03-16 23:55:17 <denisx> any reasons why the osx version is only 32bit?