1 2012-03-17 00:00:03 pingdrive has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2 2012-03-17 00:02:56 iocor has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
3 2012-03-17 00:06:22 pigeons has joined
4 2012-03-17 00:06:22 Slix` has joined
5 2012-03-17 00:11:16 Cablesaurus has joined
6 2012-03-17 00:11:16 Cablesaurus has quit (Changing host)
7 2012-03-17 00:11:16 Cablesaurus has joined
8 2012-03-17 00:17:13 graingert has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
9 2012-03-17 00:18:25 <BlueMatt> POTENTIALLY CRITICAL SECURITY VULNERABILITY IN BITCOIN-QT ON WINDOWS: All users of Bitcoin-Qt on Windows should upgrade NOW to 0.5.3.1 or 0.6rc4! See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=69120.0 for more information.
10 2012-03-17 00:19:06 <Diablo-D3> bluematt: why isnt 6 final out yet
11 2012-03-17 00:19:20 <Diablo-D3> btw, is this related to the p2pool crashes windows qt bug?
12 2012-03-17 00:19:35 theymos has joined
13 2012-03-17 00:19:39 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: yes
14 2012-03-17 00:19:53 <Diablo-D3> hahaha nice
15 2012-03-17 00:19:57 <Diablo-D3> forrestv: you go
16 2012-03-17 00:23:01 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: because we just made a major change to fix a security bug?
17 2012-03-17 00:23:07 <BlueMatt> so...it needs more testing
18 2012-03-17 00:23:24 <BlueMatt> also, there are other outstanding issues
19 2012-03-17 00:24:00 * Diablo-D3 shrugs
20 2012-03-17 00:25:06 <theymos> Details/source for the vulnerability fix isn't public, right?
21 2012-03-17 00:25:17 ronaz has joined
22 2012-03-17 00:25:18 <BlueMatt> correct
23 2012-03-17 00:25:23 <theymos> k
24 2012-03-17 00:26:01 JRWR has joined
25 2012-03-17 00:29:40 merde has joined
26 2012-03-17 00:30:05 merde is now known as tsche
27 2012-03-17 00:30:39 SomeoneWeirdzzzz is now known as SomeoneWeird
28 2012-03-17 00:31:11 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: TheBlueMatt opened pull request 19 on bitcoin/bitcoin.org <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/pull/19>
29 2012-03-17 00:31:30 splatster has joined
30 2012-03-17 00:33:14 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt: happy with formatting of http://bitcoin.org/critfix ?
31 2012-03-17 00:33:35 pebbles has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
32 2012-03-17 00:33:43 <gmaxwell> Attn Windows Bitcoin GUI users: There is a potential security hole fixed by 0.5.3.1 / 0.6.0rc4. PLEASE UPGRADE. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=69120.0
33 2012-03-17 00:33:43 <BlueMatt> oh, wtf?
34 2012-03-17 00:33:51 pebbles has joined
35 2012-03-17 00:35:32 localhost has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
36 2012-03-17 00:35:46 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/pull/20
37 2012-03-17 00:35:48 wasabi has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
38 2012-03-17 00:35:55 <BlueMatt> (f'd it up the last release announce text update)
39 2012-03-17 00:36:15 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: TheBlueMatt opened pull request 20 on bitcoin/bitcoin.org <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/pull/20>
40 2012-03-17 00:36:36 underscor has joined
41 2012-03-17 00:36:46 <gavinandresen> merged. working on Alerts...
42 2012-03-17 00:37:43 pebbles has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
43 2012-03-17 00:37:58 pebbles has joined
44 2012-03-17 00:39:14 localhost has joined
45 2012-03-17 00:40:20 pebbles has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
46 2012-03-17 00:40:38 pebbles has joined
47 2012-03-17 00:41:27 Clipse has joined
48 2012-03-17 00:42:18 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt: can you put links to the download on the critfix page?
49 2012-03-17 00:42:27 <BlueMatt> yea, one sec I was just gonna do that
50 2012-03-17 00:44:09 minimoose has joined
51 2012-03-17 00:44:35 paraipan has quit (Quit: Saliendo)
52 2012-03-17 00:45:41 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/pull/21
53 2012-03-17 00:46:22 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: TheBlueMatt opened pull request 21 on bitcoin/bitcoin.org <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/pull/21>
54 2012-03-17 00:47:24 <gavinandresen> Merged. Can you double-check the first alert params for me before I release it onto the network? https://gist.github.com/2053916
55 2012-03-17 00:47:48 [Tycho] has joined
56 2012-03-17 00:48:20 <BlueMatt> only relay for 15 minutes?
57 2012-03-17 00:48:23 <theymos> Can subVer be used to target onto satoshi-client users?
58 2012-03-17 00:48:51 <gmaxwell> Alas, too bad alterts don't work in 0.5.0.
59 2012-03-17 00:49:07 <gavinandresen> woulda coulda shoulda.....
60 2012-03-17 00:49:32 <[Tycho]> What's happened with that windows bitcoin ?
61 2012-03-17 00:49:32 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: oh...yea
62 2012-03-17 00:49:34 <gavinandresen> RE: 15 minutes: yes, alerts are 'sticky' so the 15 minutes is just to flood-fill the existing nodes (new nodes get alerts when the connect to the network)
63 2012-03-17 00:49:49 <BlueMatt> ah, ok sounds good then
64 2012-03-17 00:50:00 <gavinandresen> RE: can subVer be used to target: I'll look, I don't think it can....
65 2012-03-17 00:50:16 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: blame Microsoft for now
66 2012-03-17 00:50:18 <luke-jr> <.<
67 2012-03-17 00:50:27 <[Tycho]> No, Microsoft is cool.
68 2012-03-17 00:50:43 <[Tycho]> Qt, gtk and so on is the evil.
69 2012-03-17 00:50:51 pebbles has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
70 2012-03-17 00:50:55 <forsetifox> Heh.
71 2012-03-17 00:51:13 <theymos> subVer is used for the user agent string now and could be used for targetting (maybe requiring some care), though I don't know which version started setting subVer.
72 2012-03-17 00:51:26 pebbles has joined
73 2012-03-17 00:51:46 <Zarutian> [Tycho]: heck, I would just prefer cmdline interface and cook up gui in tcl/tk or some such.
74 2012-03-17 00:51:54 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: the release announcement says april 16 instead of march: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/pull/22
75 2012-03-17 00:51:55 * gmaxwell flys
76 2012-03-17 00:51:59 <Zarutian> (to use the cmdline)
77 2012-03-17 00:52:01 <theymos> Don't know if anyone but the Satoshi client is listening to alerts, either.
78 2012-03-17 00:53:26 <[Tycho]> Why "Ignore" link is highlighted under Matthew N. Wright on the forum ?
79 2012-03-17 00:53:40 <forsetifox> Lots of people ignored him I think?
80 2012-03-17 00:53:46 <forsetifox> Just like Bulanula.
81 2012-03-17 00:53:58 <theymos> [Tycho]: Because a lot of people ignore him. New rating system thing we're testing out.
82 2012-03-17 00:54:49 <[Tycho]> Is there a description of the vulnerability so I can decide if I need to do something ?
83 2012-03-17 00:54:57 <BlueMatt> [Tycho]: are you running on windows?
84 2012-03-17 00:55:05 <BlueMatt> [Tycho]: and, very deliberately, no
85 2012-03-17 00:55:11 <[Tycho]> No, but thousands of my users do.
86 2012-03-17 00:55:18 <BlueMatt> link them to http://bitcoin.org/critfix
87 2012-03-17 00:55:23 * luke-jr facepalms over the fee discussion
88 2012-03-17 00:55:34 <[Tycho]> What fee discussion ?
89 2012-03-17 00:55:36 <forsetifox> Hehe.
90 2012-03-17 00:55:39 bitvampire has joined
91 2012-03-17 00:55:43 <[Tycho]> 0.0005 isn't a fee, it's a joke
92 2012-03-17 00:55:47 <theymos> Everyone using 0.5-0.6.3 on Windows must upgrade.
93 2012-03-17 00:55:54 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: would you oppose adding code to relay (but ignore) alerts from other keys?
94 2012-03-17 00:56:02 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: DDoS?
95 2012-03-17 00:56:03 <gmaxwell> [Tycho]: it's not suppoted to be a fee, it's supposted to prevent DOS attacks and it does.
96 2012-03-17 00:56:12 paraipan has joined
97 2012-03-17 00:56:18 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: can just as easily DDoS with txn spam?
98 2012-03-17 00:56:34 <theymos> Deleted off-topic fee posts on forum thread.
99 2012-03-17 00:56:35 <BlueMatt> yes, but no
100 2012-03-17 00:56:35 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: TheBlueMatt opened pull request 22 on bitcoin/bitcoin.org <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/pull/22>
101 2012-03-17 00:56:42 <[Tycho]> Why sourceforge link ends with "test/" ?
102 2012-03-17 00:56:51 <BlueMatt> because they are release-candidates
103 2012-03-17 00:56:54 <BlueMatt> not release
104 2012-03-17 00:57:05 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: 0.5.3.1 isn't test
105 2012-03-17 00:57:15 <gmaxwell> What luke-jr said.
106 2012-03-17 00:58:15 denisx has quit (Quit: denisx)
107 2012-03-17 00:58:17 <gmaxwell> [Tycho]: Can you translate the announcement into russian and post it on the russian subforum?
108 2012-03-17 00:58:29 <[Tycho]> Yes.
109 2012-03-17 00:58:29 <BlueMatt> oh, yea translators
110 2012-03-17 00:58:30 <luke-jr> I found another critical bug affecting all versions: the subsidy changes after a certain number of blocks!
111 2012-03-17 00:58:33 <luke-jr> <.<
112 2012-03-17 00:58:36 <BlueMatt> heh
113 2012-03-17 00:58:58 <gavinandresen> theymos: pszSubVer on version 0.5 is always the empty string, we can't target just Satoshi.
114 2012-03-17 00:59:14 <gmaxwell> We should probably assemble a list of willing translators for things like this.
115 2012-03-17 00:59:27 <theymos> gavinandresen: OK. Maybe later if there are any bugs affecting just 0.6+ or whatever.
116 2012-03-17 00:59:46 <jrmithdobbs> gavinandresen: did you get a CSA assigned/etc?
117 2012-03-17 00:59:59 <BlueMatt> [Tycho]: if you do a russian translation, would you mind doing a pull request to add it to bitcoin.org/critfix
118 2012-03-17 01:00:09 <jrmithdobbs> gavinandresen: most people affected aren't going to see that list email :(
119 2012-03-17 01:00:11 <splatster> luke-jr: OMG! NO!
120 2012-03-17 01:00:28 <splatster> What are we going to do?!
121 2012-03-17 01:00:31 <luke-jr> CSA?
122 2012-03-17 01:00:41 <Zarutian> [Tycho]: a bit offtopic: you russian? if so heard about that paymer things? if so then I will say it is nifty system but for the big flaw, single central point of failure.
123 2012-03-17 01:01:08 <luke-jr> FWIW, I did request (2) CVEs.
124 2012-03-17 01:01:24 <luke-jr> I didn't get a reply on the one from Sunday (fixed by BIP 30) yet tho
125 2012-03-17 01:01:52 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: good, have you done a CVE for the 0.5.3.1 one?
126 2012-03-17 01:02:11 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: I sent a request for one today.
127 2012-03-17 01:02:18 <BlueMatt> ok, nice, thanks
128 2012-03-17 01:02:41 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: opinion on translating bitcoin.org/critfix to * using google translate until we get human help?
129 2012-03-17 01:03:24 loktigon- has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
130 2012-03-17 01:03:36 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt: dunno-- what does Tycho think, google translate better than nothing?
131 2012-03-17 01:03:46 <BlueMatt> [Tycho]: ?
132 2012-03-17 01:03:55 <[Tycho]> I can provide it
133 2012-03-17 01:04:06 <[Tycho]> In a couple of minutes
134 2012-03-17 01:04:11 <Zarutian> BlueMatt: well, do not do that for languages that google doesnt have large duo linguistic corpuses of. (Icelandic is one example where google translate is hillariously bad)
135 2012-03-17 01:04:19 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: I think BlueMatt means for *other* langs:P
136 2012-03-17 01:04:40 <gavinandresen> Right-- I wanted the opinion of somebody who was a non-native-english speaker
137 2012-03-17 01:04:55 <wumpus> agreed with Zarutian, it's the same for dutch
138 2012-03-17 01:05:16 <luke-jr> dutch is easy. it's just English written in vampire-speak
139 2012-03-17 01:05:18 <luke-jr> <.<
140 2012-03-17 01:05:24 <wumpus> hehe
141 2012-03-17 01:05:27 <BlueMatt> hilariously bad is >> nothing IMHO...
142 2012-03-17 01:05:45 <yellowhat> can someone explain to me what the vulnerability was about?
143 2012-03-17 01:05:59 <mcorlett> The important thing is getting the message across. Google Translate will do that.
144 2012-03-17 01:06:00 <yellowhat> i read the patch but it is not self-evident to me
145 2012-03-17 01:06:07 <BlueMatt> we're keeping it deliberately vague to give people a chance to upgrade
146 2012-03-17 01:06:15 <BlueMatt> see bitcoin.org/critfix for all you need to know ;)
147 2012-03-17 01:06:36 <luke-jr> the patch is public?
148 2012-03-17 01:06:42 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: speaking of whichâ¦
149 2012-03-17 01:07:05 <theymos> I'll PM the forum's local-language mods about translations. Should be able to get German, French, Italian, and Portuguese.
150 2012-03-17 01:07:13 <yellowhat> well, i read the commits in github - or is this something else?
151 2012-03-17 01:07:31 <luke-jr> yellowhat: the source will be published eventually, when it's safe to assume people have updated
152 2012-03-17 01:07:44 <BlueMatt> Ive got an offer for Bulgarian
153 2012-03-17 01:08:06 <yellowhat> ok, so it is not related to https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/8864019f6d88b13d3442843d9e6ebeb8dd938831 (Fix Win32 RPC Crashes)
154 2012-03-17 01:08:10 <luke-jr> yellowhat: don't want someone trying to exploit it first
155 2012-03-17 01:08:22 <BlueMatt> yellowhat: no
156 2012-03-17 01:08:39 <yellowhat> luke, do you remember your conversation we had about 3 days ago about programming language choice
157 2012-03-17 01:08:52 <yellowhat> this is exactly what i mean
158 2012-03-17 01:09:08 <luke-jr> yellowhat: why do you assume it has anything to do with that?
159 2012-03-17 01:09:09 <Zarutian> yellowhat: use a memory safe language?
160 2012-03-17 01:09:26 <luke-jr> yellowhat: basically, using another language would NOT have prevented it
161 2012-03-17 01:09:32 <[Tycho]> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=69130.new#new
162 2012-03-17 01:09:35 <luke-jr> I can't go into details until the specifics are announced
163 2012-03-17 01:09:51 <BlueMatt> got polish
164 2012-03-17 01:09:59 <yellowhat> so do you think BitcoinJ is affected as well? because i am using that one for my projects
165 2012-03-17 01:10:04 <BlueMatt> no
166 2012-03-17 01:10:18 <[Tycho]> Nice idea to find critical vulnerability just before 1 Apr :)
167 2012-03-17 01:10:55 <Zarutian> remind me, what happens 1st April? The prize halfing?
168 2012-03-17 01:11:00 <luke-jr> Zarutian: BIP16
169 2012-03-17 01:13:28 <gavinandresen> Alert for versions 0.5.0 (sigh...) through 0.5.3.0 will be on the network very shortly.
170 2012-03-17 01:13:48 <[Tycho]> sigh ?
171 2012-03-17 01:13:56 <gavinandresen> Yes, 0.5.0 doesn't display alerts.
172 2012-03-17 01:15:43 da2ce7 has joined
173 2012-03-17 01:15:52 <forsetifox> Aw.. no alerts on the test version?
174 2012-03-17 01:16:04 djoot has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
175 2012-03-17 01:16:08 <da2ce7> ok I have a bug report for the latest windows version.
176 2012-03-17 01:16:16 <forsetifox> I wanna see messages from the ghost in the machine.
177 2012-03-17 01:17:01 djoot has joined
178 2012-03-17 01:17:59 <[Tycho]> BlueMatt: did you see my translation ?
179 2012-03-17 01:18:14 <BlueMatt> [Tycho]: no, link?
180 2012-03-17 01:18:19 <BlueMatt> Im dealing with a few others too atm
181 2012-03-17 01:18:20 <[Tycho]> See above.
182 2012-03-17 01:19:11 <BlueMatt> a
183 2012-03-17 01:19:17 <BlueMatt> ah thanks
184 2012-03-17 01:19:46 <Joric> skipped a comma
185 2012-03-17 01:19:55 <[Tycho]> Just updated, one word was replaced
186 2012-03-17 01:20:07 <[Tycho]> It's important.
187 2012-03-17 01:20:56 <BlueMatt> ok
188 2012-03-17 01:21:04 <Joric> ', chto' 'udaleNNoe'
189 2012-03-17 01:21:07 <da2ce7> My brother tried to install the new 5.3.1 and it didn't install... I'm getting him to come in here and discribe the error.
190 2012-03-17 01:21:47 <[Tycho]> Oh, missed one N
191 2012-03-17 01:21:49 <[Tycho]> :(
192 2012-03-17 01:22:11 <yellowhat> german translation of the criftfix page, someone requested it: http://pastebin.com/0amsxc67
193 2012-03-17 01:22:56 <BlueMatt> yellowhat: thanks
194 2012-03-17 01:23:37 <BlueMatt> yellowhat: please include title and download link descriptions
195 2012-03-17 01:24:11 <luke-jr> is there an official timeframe for publishing the sources/details btw?
196 2012-03-17 01:24:17 <BlueMatt> not yet
197 2012-03-17 01:25:38 <freewil> will the alert for this show up in the getinfo errors field?
198 2012-03-17 01:25:46 <theymos> Yes.
199 2012-03-17 01:26:29 Amnesiac has joined
200 2012-03-17 01:26:33 <Amnesiac> hey da2ce7
201 2012-03-17 01:27:31 <da2ce7> hello abracadabra
202 2012-03-17 01:27:38 <da2ce7> er... Amnesiac
203 2012-03-17 01:27:39 <da2ce7> :)
204 2012-03-17 01:28:21 <da2ce7> so luke-jr, BlueMatt, sipa, et'all I told my brother Amnesiac to install the new version for windows...
205 2012-03-17 01:28:28 <yellowhat> BlueMatt: http://pastebin.com/a27Xs8aZ
206 2012-03-17 01:28:29 <da2ce7> excep it is throging an error...
207 2012-03-17 01:28:50 <BlueMatt> yellowhat: thanks
208 2012-03-17 01:28:52 <Amnesiac> "error opening file for writing"
209 2012-03-17 01:28:58 <BlueMatt> ah
210 2012-03-17 01:29:26 <[Tycho]> BlueMatt: is there a permanent link to the critfix message on the bitcoin site ?
211 2012-03-17 01:30:12 <BlueMatt> not yet, should be
212 2012-03-17 01:30:16 marf_away has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
213 2012-03-17 01:30:26 <BlueMatt> Im working on adding like 4 more translations atm, will have a pull in a few mintes
214 2012-03-17 01:30:36 <da2ce7> Amnesiac: did you have bitcoin _running_ when you tried to install it?
215 2012-03-17 01:30:49 <[Tycho]> Ok, I just wanted to put a link to the english version on my site
216 2012-03-17 01:31:06 <Amnesiac> no i did not
217 2012-03-17 01:31:15 <da2ce7> ok... well that is a bug.
218 2012-03-17 01:31:23 HostFat has joined
219 2012-03-17 01:33:10 <BlueMatt> someone want to paste u-umlaut for me to copy?
220 2012-03-17 01:33:20 <sipa> ü
221 2012-03-17 01:33:32 <BlueMatt> thanks
222 2012-03-17 01:33:43 <gmaxwell> Attn Windows Bitcoin GUI users: There is a potential security hole fixed by 0.5.3.1 / 0.6.0rc4. PLEASE UPGRADE. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=69120.0
223 2012-03-17 01:34:00 <HostFat> @theymos, I just sent you the translation
224 2012-03-17 01:34:29 <theymos> HostFat: Cool, thanks!
225 2012-03-17 01:34:35 <theymos> BlueMatt: Do you already have Italian?
226 2012-03-17 01:34:44 <BlueMatt> no
227 2012-03-17 01:35:09 <theymos> Here's HostFat's translation: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=8GZRvzMe
228 2012-03-17 01:35:11 <sipa> do i need to do a dutch translation?
229 2012-03-17 01:36:01 djoot has quit (Changing host)
230 2012-03-17 01:36:01 djoot has joined
231 2012-03-17 01:36:15 <BlueMatt> theymos: thanks
232 2012-03-17 01:36:16 <BlueMatt> sipa: sure
233 2012-03-17 01:36:27 <BlueMatt> theymos: ooo, he even has html tags, tell him thanks!
234 2012-03-17 01:36:35 <HostFat> ;)
235 2012-03-17 01:36:39 <Amnesiac> uninstalled bitcoin and patch still does not work
236 2012-03-17 01:36:42 <da2ce7> sipa: there is a bug installing Bitcoin-qt in windows... who is the best to alert?
237 2012-03-17 01:37:07 BTC_Bear has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
238 2012-03-17 01:37:40 <BlueMatt> someone able to talk Amnesiac through this?
239 2012-03-17 01:37:41 <luke-jr> Amnesiac: sounds like you didn't close Bitcoin-Qt completely
240 2012-03-17 01:37:59 <theymos> BlueMatt: Here's ThiagoCMC's Portuguese translation: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=bXLRCn0t Do you have that one already?
241 2012-03-17 01:38:10 <wumpus> indeed, windows refuses to overwrite exes that are still in use, that could cause the write error
242 2012-03-17 01:38:28 <sipa> da2ce7: issue on github?
243 2012-03-17 01:38:40 <BlueMatt> have: bulgarian, polish, german, italian, russian,
244 2012-03-17 01:38:40 <da2ce7> sipa: ok.
245 2012-03-17 01:38:44 <BlueMatt> uh, I think I missed a few
246 2012-03-17 01:39:02 <BlueMatt> what is portugese in portugese
247 2012-03-17 01:39:05 <BlueMatt> same for italian
248 2012-03-17 01:39:13 <da2ce7> Amnesiac: load up task manager, for all users, and kill anything with bitcoin*
249 2012-03-17 01:39:32 <theymos> BlueMatt: Português and Italiano
250 2012-03-17 01:39:56 <BlueMatt> thanks
251 2012-03-17 01:40:24 <gavinandresen> Can y'all double-check the 0.6 alert params for me? https://gist.github.com/2054226
252 2012-03-17 01:40:35 <theymos> HostFat: Sent you a little BTC for the translation. :)
253 2012-03-17 01:41:03 <HostFat> oh thank you! :D
254 2012-03-17 01:41:23 <Amnesiac> nope
255 2012-03-17 01:41:24 <Amnesiac> did not work
256 2012-03-17 01:43:17 <Raccoon> gavinandresen: needs to tell which slacker coded the faulty line :p
257 2012-03-17 01:43:45 <sipa> BlueMatt: where/what to translate?
258 2012-03-17 01:44:03 <BlueMatt> sipa: bitcoin.org/critfix
259 2012-03-17 01:44:07 <BlueMatt> pastebin it
260 2012-03-17 01:44:11 <BlueMatt> incl html tags if possible
261 2012-03-17 01:44:12 <BlueMatt> ;)
262 2012-03-17 01:44:45 <forsetifox> Amnesiac: What OS are you using?
263 2012-03-17 01:46:25 <Amnesiac> windows 7
264 2012-03-17 01:46:58 <BlueMatt> someone link me to the russian wikipedia page on russian (ie so I can copy/paste russian in russian)
265 2012-03-17 01:47:03 <forsetifox> Open up task manager and make sure bitcoin-qt-exe is not running.
266 2012-03-17 01:47:13 <sipa> ok, pushed gitian sigs for 0.5.3.1
267 2012-03-17 01:47:16 <forsetifox> bitcoin-qt.exe
268 2012-03-17 01:47:20 <HostFat> will you ever add this link to the homepage? https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/bitcoin/resource/tx/
269 2012-03-17 01:47:36 <HostFat> you said that you were going to add it 2/3 weeks ago ...
270 2012-03-17 01:47:38 <[Tycho]> BlueMatt: what stops you from copypasting ?
271 2012-03-17 01:47:38 <Amnesiac> yea i have done that
272 2012-03-17 01:47:40 <sipa> HostFat: yes, we should
273 2012-03-17 01:47:47 ternit has joined
274 2012-03-17 01:47:47 mcorlett is now known as luke-sr
275 2012-03-17 01:47:52 <BlueMatt> [Tycho]: on irc, it gets replaced with ?????s
276 2012-03-17 01:47:58 <forsetifox> Do you have the exe or zip file for the updated client?
277 2012-03-17 01:48:02 <BlueMatt> so it has to be a link to somewhere
278 2012-03-17 01:48:05 <[Tycho]> BlueMatt: but I gave you the forum link.
279 2012-03-17 01:48:32 <BlueMatt> I just want the word russian in russian
280 2012-03-17 01:48:34 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: since gavin didn't answer, did anyone get a CSA registered?
281 2012-03-17 01:48:37 <[Tycho]> Oh, that
282 2012-03-17 01:48:42 <BlueMatt> oh, and can you give me the title translated, [Tycho] ?
283 2012-03-17 01:48:48 <HostFat> we also don't know who owns the linked facebook page ...
284 2012-03-17 01:48:52 <Amnesiac> i have the exe
285 2012-03-17 01:48:59 <[Tycho]> BlueMatt: look at the russian forum branch
286 2012-03-17 01:49:12 denisx has joined
287 2012-03-17 01:49:12 <[Tycho]> It's named "Russian" in russian
288 2012-03-17 01:49:15 <forsetifox> Right click on the exe and hit "run as administrator".
289 2012-03-17 01:49:20 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: wtf is a CSA
290 2012-03-17 01:49:47 <BlueMatt> [Tycho]: ah, ok
291 2012-03-17 01:50:18 <[Tycho]> BlueMatt: first phrase in my post can be used as title
292 2012-03-17 01:50:23 <BlueMatt> ok
293 2012-03-17 01:50:34 <BlueMatt> you mean first sentence?
294 2012-03-17 01:50:37 <[Tycho]> Yes.
295 2012-03-17 01:50:44 <BlueMatt> ok
296 2012-03-17 01:50:56 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: seriously?
297 2012-03-17 01:50:58 <HostFat> also, the download links on the bitcoin.org are directed to the "0.5.3" version
298 2012-03-17 01:51:02 <BlueMatt> yes
299 2012-03-17 01:51:09 <BlueMatt> only linux
300 2012-03-17 01:51:14 <BlueMatt> (there is no 0.5.3.1 for linux
301 2012-03-17 01:51:15 <BlueMatt> )
302 2012-03-17 01:51:15 <luke-jr> HostFat: 0.5.3.1 is a Windows-only fix
303 2012-03-17 01:51:19 <Amnesiac> ah of course thanks forsetifox that seems to have worked
304 2012-03-17 01:51:20 <[Tycho]> BlueMatt: I had to make "real" title much shorter because of unicode, eww..
305 2012-03-17 01:51:24 <forsetifox> Good.
306 2012-03-17 01:51:33 <HostFat> I know, but the links of the windows version are also 0.5.3
307 2012-03-17 01:51:38 <BlueMatt> really?
308 2012-03-17 01:51:46 <BlueMatt> not here
309 2012-03-17 01:51:46 <HostFat> ah ok
310 2012-03-17 01:51:47 <HostFat> no
311 2012-03-17 01:51:48 <luke-jr> HostFat: 0.5.3 isn't available for download at all now
312 2012-03-17 01:51:50 <HostFat> it's fixed
313 2012-03-17 01:51:50 <HostFat> sorry
314 2012-03-17 01:52:02 <da2ce7> hmm... so the bug is that the bitcoin installer isn't checking if it need admin, and thoghing the correct error.
315 2012-03-17 01:52:07 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: oh my bad
316 2012-03-17 01:52:08 <HostFat> I was probably surfing the cache :P
317 2012-03-17 01:52:15 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: i'm using the acronym from work, lol
318 2012-03-17 01:52:17 <jrmithdobbs> i meant CVE
319 2012-03-17 01:52:25 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: I answered that the first time you asked it, then
320 2012-03-17 01:52:51 <BlueMatt> arg, anyone have a good site which replaces eg russian chars with html equivalents?
321 2012-03-17 01:52:54 <gavinandresen> jrmithdobbs: luke-jr has applied for a CVE (in case you have him on ignore)
322 2012-03-17 01:53:17 <jrmithdobbs> gavinandresen: lol, you read my mind right as I finally decided to do just that
323 2012-03-17 01:53:30 <[Tycho]> What is CVE ?
324 2012-03-17 01:53:41 <luke-jr> the irony of being ignored for answering a question
325 2012-03-17 01:53:50 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: security tag
326 2012-03-17 01:53:58 <gavinandresen> [Tycho]: common vulnerabilities something-or-other
327 2012-03-17 01:54:25 <jrmithdobbs> [Tycho]: just a way of registering security issues globally basically to give them unique identifiers
328 2012-03-17 01:54:31 <[Tycho]> Cool.
329 2012-03-17 01:54:53 <jrmithdobbs> [Tycho]: everyone from cisco/ms/similar to crappy web apps/services usually register them for major issues
330 2012-03-17 01:55:27 ski_ has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
331 2012-03-17 01:57:20 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/pull/24
332 2012-03-17 01:57:23 wasabi has joined
333 2012-03-17 01:57:28 <sipa> BlueMatt: http://pastebin.com/35smE5L5
334 2012-03-17 01:57:30 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: HostFat opened issue 25 on bitcoin/bitcoin.org <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/issues/25> || TheBlueMatt opened pull request 24 on bitcoin/bitcoin.org <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/pull/24> || HostFat opened issue 23 on bitcoin/bitcoin.org <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/issues/23>
335 2012-03-17 01:57:31 <sipa> (dutch)
336 2012-03-17 01:57:45 <BlueMatt> damn...
337 2012-03-17 01:58:20 FaktioNN has joined
338 2012-03-17 01:58:23 <sipa> gavinandresen: only 15 minutes of relaying?
339 2012-03-17 01:58:25 <BlueMatt> sipa: and dutch in dutch?
340 2012-03-17 01:58:32 <sipa> BlueMatt: Nederlands
341 2012-03-17 01:59:06 <gavinandresen> sipa: yes, alerts just need enough time to flood the network, then they 'stick' and nodes that already have them give them to new nodes joining.
342 2012-03-17 01:59:17 <gavinandresen> (until the expiration time)
343 2012-03-17 01:59:33 <k9quaint> now I feel silly for disabling alerts! :P
344 2012-03-17 01:59:44 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/pull/26
345 2012-03-17 01:59:59 loktigon has joined
346 2012-03-17 02:00:08 <k9quaint> (or maybe this is the second sign of the mayan apocalypse)
347 2012-03-17 02:01:28 <BlueMatt> woo, we have translations
348 2012-03-17 02:01:45 <sipa> ok, i made typo's :(
349 2012-03-17 02:01:52 <BlueMatt> :(
350 2012-03-17 02:02:00 <theymos> sipa: Is your language the same one covered by the Skandinavisk section on the forum? I asked D.H. to translate /critfix, but have you already done it?
351 2012-03-17 02:02:01 <sipa> sec, i'll fix them myself
352 2012-03-17 02:02:15 <BlueMatt> well, I missed a <br /> or two
353 2012-03-17 02:02:22 <sipa> theymos: dutch is not considered scandinavian, afaik
354 2012-03-17 02:02:31 <theymos> OK
355 2012-03-17 02:02:32 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: TheBlueMatt opened pull request 26 on bitcoin/bitcoin.org <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/pull/26>
356 2012-03-17 02:03:16 dwon has joined
357 2012-03-17 02:03:24 <BlueMatt> sipa: send corrections to me, Ill include them in spacing fix
358 2012-03-17 02:04:04 <Cryo> set the topic to say win32 only .1 update :)
359 2012-03-17 02:05:08 <sipa> BlueMatt: already pushed it myself
360 2012-03-17 02:05:15 <BlueMatt> nvm...
361 2012-03-17 02:07:06 <sipa> gavinandresen: version 59900 too, i believe
362 2012-03-17 02:07:26 <sipa> for people running old git heads
363 2012-03-17 02:08:13 <BlueMatt> sipa: gavinandresen https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/pull/27
364 2012-03-17 02:08:48 <sipa> gavinandresen is too fast
365 2012-03-17 02:08:56 <sipa> he merges quicker than his shadow
366 2012-03-17 02:09:58 <gavinandresen> sipa: RE: git head version: ACK (will look to see if that is CLIENT_VERSION or PROTOCOL_VERSION...)
367 2012-03-17 02:10:59 <sipa> CLIENT_VERSION
368 2012-03-17 02:11:10 <sipa> PROTOCOL_VERSION has always been 60000, afaik
369 2012-03-17 02:11:12 <BlueMatt> ok, I think I did my part: Im off for a while...
370 2012-03-17 02:11:14 <BlueMatt> if you have further translations, see sipa
371 2012-03-17 02:11:34 <sipa> i'm going to bed soon
372 2012-03-17 02:11:40 Slix` has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
373 2012-03-17 02:13:03 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: TheBlueMatt opened pull request 27 on bitcoin/bitcoin.org <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/pull/27>
374 2012-03-17 02:13:42 <sipa> gribble: you're slow!
375 2012-03-17 02:13:50 spawn-19 has joined
376 2012-03-17 02:13:52 <sipa> gavinandresen: so just match on the subversion for 0.5.99
377 2012-03-17 02:14:19 spawn-19 is now known as spawn-
378 2012-03-17 02:14:28 <gavinandresen> 0.5.99 was before CLIENT/PROTOCOL, so it is equal to PROTOCOL_VERSION=59900
379 2012-03-17 02:16:27 <HostFat> I'm going to open a pull request to add link to transifex, do you have a preferential place where put the link?
380 2012-03-17 02:17:04 <HostFat> Resources/Community ?
381 2012-03-17 02:17:14 <[Tycho]> Heh, found the roots of new mining botnet :) It was included in the "Diablo 3 beta" archive at TPB :)
382 2012-03-17 02:17:40 <sipa> HostFat: i believe we need a separate "How to contribute" or something like that page, with links to github, sg, transifex, ...
383 2012-03-17 02:17:43 <sipa> s/sg/sf/
384 2012-03-17 02:17:53 <sipa> gavinandresen: ACK
385 2012-03-17 02:18:03 <forsetifox> Nice Tycho.
386 2012-03-17 02:18:10 <forsetifox> Hijack it!
387 2012-03-17 02:18:18 <[Tycho]> How ?
388 2012-03-17 02:18:26 <forsetifox> I dunno. Do code stuff.
389 2012-03-17 02:18:36 <gavinandresen> sipa: alert 2013 for version 59900 broadcast. That's 3 alerts which should cover all the affected versions.
390 2012-03-17 02:18:38 <[Tycho]> It was already pointed to my pool (and banned now)
391 2012-03-17 02:19:27 <forsetifox> It's a CPU bitcoin miner?
392 2012-03-17 02:20:09 <sipa> [Tycho]: let them mine, but don't pay out ;)
393 2012-03-17 02:20:20 <forsetifox> Haha. Good idea. XD
394 2012-03-17 02:20:22 <sipa> (kidding, ban it)
395 2012-03-17 02:20:27 <forsetifox> Aww.
396 2012-03-17 02:20:52 <[Tycho]> Don't paying out is a bad idea sometimes. Of course it's banned.
397 2012-03-17 02:21:41 <denisx> how do you ban it?
398 2012-03-17 02:21:55 ferroh has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
399 2012-03-17 02:22:09 <[Tycho]> Not accepting any shares from it
400 2012-03-17 02:22:53 FACEFOX has quit (Quit: http://www.facefox.com)
401 2012-03-17 02:23:10 FACEFOX has joined
402 2012-03-17 02:23:16 <theymos> gavinandresen: Did you send 1011? My node didn't receive it.
403 2012-03-17 02:23:47 wasabi2 has joined
404 2012-03-17 02:24:13 <gavinandresen> theymos: yes, at least I think I sent it...
405 2012-03-17 02:24:52 <theymos> My 0.5.3 node with 39 connections didn't get it, and neither did my 0.3.15 node with 7 connections.
406 2012-03-17 02:25:35 <jrmithdobbs> i got it on 6.0.0-rc3-ish bitcoind
407 2012-03-17 02:25:56 wasabi has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
408 2012-03-17 02:26:14 <jrmithdobbs> in fact, how do i make it go away, haha
409 2012-03-17 02:26:46 Turingi has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
410 2012-03-17 02:27:32 <gavinandresen> theymos: ok, maybe it didn't make it out for some reason
411 2012-03-17 02:27:54 <sipa> starting a 0.5.3 node now
412 2012-03-17 02:28:21 HostFat has quit (Quit: Page closed)
413 2012-03-17 02:29:02 <luke-jr> I'm confused. How are gitian builds deterministic when the Linux binaries contain my *nix username? -.-
414 2012-03-17 02:29:31 <sipa> they do? :o
415 2012-03-17 02:29:31 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: ^
416 2012-03-17 02:29:37 <luke-jr> sipa: apparently 0.5.3 does at least
417 2012-03-17 02:29:58 <sipa> strange; how could my 0.5.3 build match yours then?
418 2012-03-17 02:30:03 <luke-jr> that's what I'm wondering
419 2012-03-17 02:30:29 <sipa> gavinandresen: nothing in the errors field
420 2012-03-17 02:30:52 <gavinandresen> sipa: ok, I'll try a second time
421 2012-03-17 02:32:07 <theymos> Got it now.
422 2012-03-17 02:32:18 <gavinandresen> good
423 2012-03-17 02:32:31 <sipa> me too
424 2012-03-17 02:32:32 <jrmithdobbs> is there a "clear errors" rpc call?
425 2012-03-17 02:32:37 <theymos> Did you send 1013? I don't see that one in my logs, either.
426 2012-03-17 02:33:00 <luke-jr> sipa: do you still have your 053 build?
427 2012-03-17 02:33:22 <sipa> luke-jr: http://bitcoin.sipa.be/builds/0.5.3rc4/
428 2012-03-17 02:33:43 <gmaxwell> Attn Windows Bitcoin GUI users: There is a potential security hole fixed by 0.5.3.1 / 0.6.0rc4. PLEASE UPGRADE. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=69120.0
429 2012-03-17 02:33:50 <gavinandresen> theymos: should've sent 1013, although the sendalert code is a bit of a hack so I wouldn't be surprised if there's a timing bug
430 2012-03-17 02:34:54 <sipa> 0.6.0rc3 also shows the alert
431 2012-03-17 02:34:54 h4ckm3 has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
432 2012-03-17 02:35:02 _h4ckm3 is now known as h4ckm3
433 2012-03-17 02:35:03 <luke-jr> oh, I think I see why
434 2012-03-17 02:35:04 <jrmithdobbs> so, afaict there's no way to clear that message from a client without a restart? annoying
435 2012-03-17 02:35:13 <luke-jr> it must have come from repacking with the renamed directory
436 2012-03-17 02:35:21 <jrmithdobbs> qt isn't even istalled on this box =/
437 2012-03-17 02:35:39 <theymos> jrmithdobbs: You need to upgrade to make it go away.
438 2012-03-17 02:35:53 <jrmithdobbs> theymos: I don't need to upgrade
439 2012-03-17 02:36:31 <sipa> actually, if you were running 0.5.3 bitcoind or are not on windows, there is no reason nor possibility to upgrade
440 2012-03-17 02:36:43 <jrmithdobbs> ya, that's annoying
441 2012-03-17 02:37:11 <jrmithdobbs> w/e, i'll just git pull and comment out the alert code
442 2012-03-17 02:37:19 <luke-jr> lol
443 2012-03-17 02:37:41 <gavinandresen> or you can bump your version number
444 2012-03-17 02:37:59 <jrmithdobbs> i watch the dev list, the alerts are nothing but annoyance to me
445 2012-03-17 02:38:05 <gavinandresen> or wait a few days for 0.5.4 to come out with the BIP16 backports
446 2012-03-17 02:38:06 <jrmithdobbs> tbqh, I don't like that feature even existing
447 2012-03-17 02:41:17 <gavinandresen> alert 1013 for version 0.5.99 resent (and I fixed the bug, the sendalert code wasn't sleeping long enough for the network to get connected....)
448 2012-03-17 02:41:45 <theymos> Got the alert. Can you send me the fixed sendalert code sometime?
449 2012-03-17 02:42:26 <gavinandresen> theymos: will do
450 2012-03-17 02:42:48 <loktigon> alerts are cool
451 2012-03-17 02:43:14 <loktigon> but we should add the ability to include a midi file in the alert, to play some appropriately themed music
452 2012-03-17 02:43:30 <loktigon> like a funeral dirge if something bad happened, or a dixieland ragtime if its good news
453 2012-03-17 02:43:34 <sipa> midi? why not a full HD movie?
454 2012-03-17 02:43:42 <loktigon> i like the retro sound
455 2012-03-17 02:44:17 <sipa> stream the movie 'Hackers' entirely for security updates
456 2012-03-17 02:44:29 <sipa> let the MPAA try to shutdown bitcoin, ha!
457 2012-03-17 02:44:39 <sipa> (actually, bad idea!)
458 2012-03-17 02:46:02 <loktigon> emergency broadcast system is a good idea
459 2012-03-17 02:46:57 <theymos> The midi should be of that annoying emergency broadcast system noise.
460 2012-03-17 02:47:18 ternit has quit ()
461 2012-03-17 02:48:07 Zarutian has quit (Quit: Zarutian)
462 2012-03-17 02:48:20 <loktigon> i wonder why they chose that sound. must be some reason
463 2012-03-17 02:48:24 <jrmithdobbs> there does need to be a clear error/alert rpc call though
464 2012-03-17 02:48:39 <jrmithdobbs> if it's going to be used for things that don't affect everyone (like this)
465 2012-03-17 02:48:44 <freewil> what happens to the errors field if another alert is sent out
466 2012-03-17 02:48:59 <theymos> freewil: The alert with higher priority is displayed.
467 2012-03-17 02:49:15 <freewil> ok that makes sense
468 2012-03-17 02:49:46 <jrmithdobbs> theymos: send one for 60000 that just says error: no error
469 2012-03-17 02:49:59 <jrmithdobbs> heh
470 2012-03-17 02:50:57 <theymos> You could also send one that cancels INT_MAX, making it impossible to send future alerts. IMO Bitcoin should display a warning message if an alert with INT_MAX is received, since this would indicate that the alert key is compromised.
471 2012-03-17 02:55:37 <gmaxwell> theymos: prefab alert message text for INT_MAX?
472 2012-03-17 02:55:49 <theymos> Right.
473 2012-03-17 02:56:24 <theymos> "Warning: the alert key is compromised. Probably you need to upgrade, but be careful of who you trust." or something.
474 2012-03-17 02:56:38 <loktigon> gavinandresen is a bitcoin hero
475 2012-03-17 02:57:12 <gavinandresen> theymos: good idea. Way low on the priority list, though....
476 2012-03-17 02:57:44 wasabi2 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
477 2012-03-17 02:57:48 <loktigon> the speed with which this issue was identified, patched, and alerted is amazing
478 2012-03-17 02:57:50 <gmaxwell> The emergency broadcast sound isn't a sound. It's FSK modulated data.
479 2012-03-17 02:58:01 <gmaxwell> (at 300 baud? I forget)
480 2012-03-17 02:58:16 <loktigon> oh
481 2012-03-17 02:58:19 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: iirc
482 2012-03-17 02:58:36 <gmaxwell> I've had the odd honor of actually running one of those tests. :)
483 2012-03-17 02:58:48 <gavinandresen> those emergency broadcasts are actually an alien conspiracy. I read it on the internet.
484 2012-03-17 02:59:07 bitvampire has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
485 2012-03-17 03:02:13 Amnesiac has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
486 2012-03-17 03:02:55 FaktioNN has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
487 2012-03-17 03:05:06 <luke-jr> theymos: they'd just use INT_MAX-1
488 2012-03-17 03:05:36 <theymos> luke-jr: Yeah, but then the remaining honest alert key holders would use INT_MAX and activate the failsafe.
489 2012-03-17 03:05:42 <luke-jr> i c
490 2012-03-17 03:06:47 hctib has joined
491 2012-03-17 03:06:57 <hctib> Hello
492 2012-03-17 03:07:35 amiller has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
493 2012-03-17 03:08:24 <hctib> Is the security issue relevent for the ubuntu release?
494 2012-03-17 03:08:37 <theymos> No.
495 2012-03-17 03:08:40 <jrmithdobbs> no
496 2012-03-17 03:08:44 <jrmithdobbs> aint the alert annoying
497 2012-03-17 03:08:59 <luke-jr> maybe platform needs to be added to alerts <.<
498 2012-03-17 03:09:16 <hctib> No it's not that bad, I have a windows wallet and a linux wallet.
499 2012-03-17 03:09:28 <hctib> Updating the windows client now.
500 2012-03-17 03:10:19 <theymos> luke-jr: It can be targetted based on OS if the user agent string starts including that info.
501 2012-03-17 03:10:36 npouillard has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
502 2012-03-17 03:11:02 sgstair has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
503 2012-03-17 03:11:06 <luke-jr> theymos: good luck with that when they refuse to even include Qt vs bitcoind
504 2012-03-17 03:11:07 sgstair has joined
505 2012-03-17 03:11:12 npouillard has joined
506 2012-03-17 03:12:09 amiller has joined
507 2012-03-17 03:12:32 <hctib> OK, my windows client should be secured. Thanks for all you do.
508 2012-03-17 03:12:37 <theymos> There's no risk in including the OS, since the attacker can easily figure out the OS from TPC behavior (I guess -- whatever nmap does).
509 2012-03-17 03:13:30 <phantomcircuit> util.cpp:740 is unnecessary
510 2012-03-17 03:14:51 <da2ce7> maybe we should have serverity, OS, version, and client feilds in the alerts.
511 2012-03-17 03:15:17 <hctib> Is there a discussion about this security issue on the forum?
512 2012-03-17 03:15:59 <Diablo-D3> theymos: Ill make a deal with you
513 2012-03-17 03:16:08 <Diablo-D3> theymos: ban luke and I wont kill him.
514 2012-03-17 03:16:32 <theymos> :)
515 2012-03-17 03:16:43 <hctib> bye bye
516 2012-03-17 03:16:46 <Diablo-D3> he keeps reporting goat's legitimate question on the eligius thread
517 2012-03-17 03:17:01 <Diablo-D3> I think he should be banned for abusing the report feature.
518 2012-03-17 03:17:08 <luke-jr> s/legitimate question/troll/
519 2012-03-17 03:17:09 <loktigon> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=69120.0
520 2012-03-17 03:17:23 <hctib> loktigon: Thanks
521 2012-03-17 03:17:23 <Diablo-D3> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=23768.msg785993#msg785993
522 2012-03-17 03:17:35 <hctib> Diablo-D3: Thanks
523 2012-03-17 03:18:23 <Diablo-D3> no, mine was for theymos
524 2012-03-17 03:18:38 <Diablo-D3> I think its a perfectly legitimate question
525 2012-03-17 03:18:39 <theymos> Yeah, it's a legitimate question.
526 2012-03-17 03:19:24 <Diablo-D3> theymos: hes reported it like 5 times even after I told him I wont remove it
527 2012-03-17 03:20:15 <theymos> luke-jr: Please don't do that.
528 2012-03-17 03:20:32 <luke-jr> theymos: it's not a legitimate question. Goat is a known troll.
529 2012-03-17 03:20:52 <theymos> I don't think he's a troll. Sometimes he's annoying and overly-dramatic, but I think he's sincere.
530 2012-03-17 03:21:11 <Diablo-D3> I think the proper term is "asshole". Goat is an asshole.
531 2012-03-17 03:21:12 <luke-jr> he's proved he isn't.
532 2012-03-17 03:21:12 <theymos> And that's a legitimate post, regardless.
533 2012-03-17 03:21:59 <luke-jr> theymos: he continues to spread FUD about Eligius; this post is just an implicit version of that.
534 2012-03-17 03:22:33 <theymos> Start a topic about it in "Meta" and the community can discuss it.
535 2012-03-17 03:22:56 <Diablo-D3> theymos: speaking of which, why dont I have mod powers in meta yet.
536 2012-03-17 03:23:15 <theymos> lol, you'd ban everyone!
537 2012-03-17 03:23:22 <luke-jr> lol
538 2012-03-17 03:23:24 <Diablo-D3> so?
539 2012-03-17 03:24:02 <luke-jr> theymos: I shouldn't have to debate with the community to ban a known troll from my forum thread.
540 2012-03-17 03:24:14 <da2ce7> theymos: I recomend that you should make luke-jr a mod in meta
541 2012-03-17 03:24:21 <Diablo-D3> bwahahah
542 2012-03-17 03:24:21 <Diablo-D3> o wow
543 2012-03-17 03:24:25 <luke-jr> da2ce7: I ignore it.
544 2012-03-17 03:24:27 <Diablo-D3> theymos: DO EEET
545 2012-03-17 03:24:39 <theymos> luke-jr might be even worse than Diablo-D3. :)
546 2012-03-17 03:24:42 <luke-jr> theymos: do it or not, I'll probably never use it.
547 2012-03-17 03:24:50 <luke-jr> I don't even read Meta, let alone care to mod it.
548 2012-03-17 03:24:54 <Diablo-D3> In a breech of etiquette, I fucking double dog dare you
549 2012-03-17 03:25:30 * luke-jr is tempted to edit all Diablo-D3's posts in Meta if he does.
550 2012-03-17 03:25:32 <jrmithdobbs> the internet in general would be a better place without luke
551 2012-03-17 03:25:35 <jrmithdobbs> s/internet/world/
552 2012-03-17 03:25:38 * Diablo-D3 has no posts in meta, lawlz
553 2012-03-17 03:25:47 <Diablo-D3> jrmithdobbs: I concur.
554 2012-03-17 03:26:07 <Diablo-D3> I should start a post in bitcoin general and see if I can raise bitcoins for an assassination
555 2012-03-17 03:26:21 <Diablo-D3> *several million btc later...*
556 2012-03-17 03:26:21 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: i finally ignored him earlier for getting pissy because i missed a response from him that didn't include a nick (no highlight) and then went to dinner ;p
557 2012-03-17 03:26:29 <gavinandresen> G'night all.
558 2012-03-17 03:26:34 <Diablo-D3> night gavin
559 2012-03-17 03:26:37 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: should've done it 6 months ago
560 2012-03-17 03:26:44 gavinandresen has quit (Quit: gavinandresen)
561 2012-03-17 03:26:46 hctib has quit (Quit: Page closed)
562 2012-03-17 03:26:49 <Diablo-D3> jrmithdobbs: I shoulda done it at the $30 mark
563 2012-03-17 03:26:53 [7] has quit (Disconnected by services)
564 2012-03-17 03:26:57 <Diablo-D3> I'd be fucking rich
565 2012-03-17 03:27:08 TheSeven has joined
566 2012-03-17 03:27:11 <Diablo-D3> infact, I'd be one of the most powerful men alive
567 2012-03-17 03:27:29 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: o i meant the ignore, but ya, you should have
568 2012-03-17 03:27:42 * Diablo-D3 snorts
569 2012-03-17 03:30:27 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: the posts that you keep reporting suck indeed, and they are trollingâ but I always ignore your reports because taking action would create _more_ trolling.
570 2012-03-17 03:31:10 <[Tycho]> How the new client calculates required fee for big TXes ? Is the fee amount from settings used or not ?
571 2012-03-17 03:31:21 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: you'd think by now you'd figure out that pretty much everything directed at you that isn't hash power is trolling and ignore it
572 2012-03-17 03:31:26 <Diablo-D3> [Tycho]: the fee from settings controls if it asks or not
573 2012-03-17 03:31:31 num1 has joined
574 2012-03-17 03:31:32 <Diablo-D3> ie, set zero, it asks you if the fee is okay first
575 2012-03-17 03:31:36 <Diablo-D3> in all cases
576 2012-03-17 03:31:37 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: but that'd require you to not be on the downs spectrum
577 2012-03-17 03:31:47 <gmaxwell> [Tycho]: the setting fee is used, sure. if there is a non-zero setting fee then it overrides the anti-dos fees (unless the anti-dos fees are larger)
578 2012-03-17 03:32:16 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: there haven't been any changes to fees in a while
579 2012-03-17 03:32:19 <gmaxwell> jrmithdobbs: be nice. Luke is a good guy.
580 2012-03-17 03:32:30 <Diablo-D3> gmaxwell: yeah, but it should never overfee, right?
581 2012-03-17 03:32:49 <gmaxwell> Diablo-D3: if you tell it to pay 10 BTC per 1000 bytes then thats what it'll do.
582 2012-03-17 03:32:52 <[Tycho]> gmaxwell: but if the TX is more than 1 Kb then the fee from settings is used only once and 0.0005 is multiplied ?
583 2012-03-17 03:32:55 <Diablo-D3> man
584 2012-03-17 03:32:58 <Diablo-D3> Ill leave it at zero then
585 2012-03-17 03:33:02 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: i disagree and have never made a secret of that fact
586 2012-03-17 03:33:11 <gmaxwell> [Tycho]: No, it's a fee per 1000 bytes.
587 2012-03-17 03:33:23 <[Tycho]> gmaxwell: are you sure ? That's cool.
588 2012-03-17 03:33:43 <gmaxwell> Attn Windows Bitcoin GUI users: There is a potential security hole fixed by 0.5.3.1 / 0.6.0rc4. PLEASE UPGRADE. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=69120.0
589 2012-03-17 03:33:53 denisx has quit (Quit: denisx)
590 2012-03-17 03:34:50 <gmaxwell> ParseMoney(mapArgs["-paytxfee"], nTransactionFee); ... int64 nPayFee = nTransactionFee * (1 + (int64)nBytes / 1000);
591 2012-03-17 03:34:59 <Diablo-D3> well I think I can finally buy the 7970
592 2012-03-17 03:35:11 <gmaxwell> though, if you set it over .25 BTC/kb the gui will warn you apparently.
593 2012-03-17 03:35:32 * Diablo-D3 can spend up to $690
594 2012-03-17 03:35:51 <[Tycho]> gmaxwell: but if user's fee is set to 0 is asks only 0.0005 per Kb when needed ?
595 2012-03-17 03:38:05 <gmaxwell> [Tycho]: Correct if the users fee is zero it will apply 0.0005 to low priority transactions. (which wouldn't even get relayed without a fee)
596 2012-03-17 03:39:29 <gmaxwell> if the user's fee is non-zero it will apply that to everything unless the txn is low priority and their fee is less that 0.0005 per thousand bytes.
597 2012-03-17 03:39:30 <imsaguy> Diablo-D3: they're only 550-600 on amazon, depending on brand.
598 2012-03-17 03:39:51 <[Tycho]> gmaxwell: thanks.
599 2012-03-17 03:40:20 <Diablo-D3> imsaguy: yeah, and they're that on newegg
600 2012-03-17 03:40:30 <Diablo-D3> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127652
601 2012-03-17 03:40:32 <Diablo-D3> gonna buy that
602 2012-03-17 03:40:50 <imsaguy> I mention amazon because of the people selling discounting amazon gc in the forums
603 2012-03-17 03:41:04 <gmaxwell> Per-kb as a user knob kinda stinks because the size of txn can be rather surprising.. you can have a 50kb transaction that only pays .2 BTC (becuase its using tiny inputs) ... and then make a 100 BTC transaction which is only 230 bytes...
604 2012-03-17 03:41:07 <imsaguy> s/discounting/discounted/
605 2012-03-17 03:41:28 <Diablo-D3> stock clocked at 1010mhz
606 2012-03-17 03:42:09 <Diablo-D3> instead of 925
607 2012-03-17 03:42:39 <[Tycho]> "This card does not quite run Crysis 2 w/ Hi-res pack on full 1080p/ highest settings possible, but it comes close"... But which card will do it then ? :)
608 2012-03-17 03:42:51 <Diablo-D3> [Tycho]: 7990
609 2012-03-17 03:42:59 <Diablo-D3> also the high res pack is misnomered
610 2012-03-17 03:43:06 <[Tycho]> Does it exists ?
611 2012-03-17 03:43:13 <Diablo-D3> yes
612 2012-03-17 03:43:17 <Diablo-D3> they're just behind schedule
613 2012-03-17 03:43:38 Cory has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
614 2012-03-17 03:43:38 <Diablo-D3> its an otherwise normal dual gpu board, in the same vein as the 6990 and 5970
615 2012-03-17 03:44:03 <Diablo-D3> the crysis 2 high res pack replaces all the compressed textures with uncompressed ones
616 2012-03-17 03:44:11 <[Tycho]> Why ?
617 2012-03-17 03:44:19 <Diablo-D3> for wanking.
618 2012-03-17 03:44:36 <Diablo-D3> they're 1 mip map level bigger than the compressed ones
619 2012-03-17 03:44:43 <Diablo-D3> and it really rapes memory bandwidth
620 2012-03-17 03:44:45 <Diablo-D3> ALSO
621 2012-03-17 03:44:53 <Diablo-D3> cyrsis 2 already uses high end compression techniques
622 2012-03-17 03:45:04 <Diablo-D3> its not like it uses something stupid like s3tc or anything
623 2012-03-17 03:45:15 <[Tycho]> I remember watching some Crysis video on YouTube and laughing at their nuclear explosion FX :)
624 2012-03-17 03:45:59 <[Tycho]> They did the mushroom cloud complete with the smoke trails, LOL
625 2012-03-17 03:46:08 <Diablo-D3> yeah its silly
626 2012-03-17 03:46:11 <Diablo-D3> crysis looks like shit
627 2012-03-17 03:46:17 <Diablo-D3> it always will
628 2012-03-17 03:46:59 Cory has joined
629 2012-03-17 03:49:01 <neofutur> hi all, is it possible to have bitcoind use a readonly blockchain ?
630 2012-03-17 03:49:15 <[Tycho]> Hello.
631 2012-03-17 03:49:22 <neofutur> example : sharing a sshfs between more than one machine
632 2012-03-17 03:49:35 <Diablo-D3> neofutur: no
633 2012-03-17 03:50:04 <Diablo-D3> so
634 2012-03-17 03:50:06 <Diablo-D3> my cart
635 2012-03-17 03:50:09 <Diablo-D3> 1 delta afb1212hhe fan
636 2012-03-17 03:50:10 <jrmithdobbs> neofutur: of course not
637 2012-03-17 03:50:13 <Diablo-D3> 1 msi 7970.
638 2012-03-17 03:50:15 <neofutur> ;( would allow me to save a bunch of diskspace and bandwidth
639 2012-03-17 03:50:28 <Diablo-D3> and the 7970 comes with a 6 to 8 cable
640 2012-03-17 03:50:36 <da2ce7> ok... everyone re-tweet this: https://twitter.com/#!/da2ce7/status/180863400228814848
641 2012-03-17 03:50:42 <Diablo-D3> da2ce7: no one uses twitter
642 2012-03-17 03:50:44 <neofutur> jrmithdobbs: blockchain is already 2 GB / machine
643 2012-03-17 03:50:44 <Diablo-D3> use identica instead
644 2012-03-17 03:50:58 <neofutur> having a blockchain provider will be neecessary for light clients
645 2012-03-17 03:51:12 <neofutur> jrmithdobbs: why "of course"
646 2012-03-17 03:51:30 <jrmithdobbs> neofutur: so? how would a p2p client keep the data file containing the data from the p2p network it's validating and saving and indexing read only?
647 2012-03-17 03:51:35 * Diablo-D3 is finally ordering it
648 2012-03-17 03:51:38 <jrmithdobbs> it's like you don't understand how computers work at all
649 2012-03-17 03:51:48 <gmaxwell> Diablo-D3: about damn time!
650 2012-03-17 03:51:52 <jrmithdobbs> that's why "of course"
651 2012-03-17 03:51:58 <neofutur> its like you dont understand light clients cant have 3 GB blockchain locally
652 2012-03-17 03:52:05 <Diablo-D3> gmaxwell: well, its not my fucking fault AMD sat on their fucking asses for 2 fucking months
653 2012-03-17 03:52:25 <jrmithdobbs> neofutur: i fully understand that, so go run bitcoinj instead of trying to do crazy things like run bitcoind with a ro blockchain
654 2012-03-17 03:52:27 <Diablo-D3> seriously, all I asked for was a driver that wasnt fucking fucktarded
655 2012-03-17 03:52:32 <neofutur> other clietns do it but it seems impossible with bitcoind
656 2012-03-17 03:52:46 <Diablo-D3> does anyone think Ive forgotten something?
657 2012-03-17 03:52:48 <neofutur> and I wonder wehy "of course"
658 2012-03-17 03:52:50 <Diablo-D3> 7970, fan
659 2012-03-17 03:52:51 <luke-jr> neofutur: you could probably do it if you hack the code a bit
660 2012-03-17 03:52:57 <jrmithdobbs> neofutur: because bitcoind isn't a light client
661 2012-03-17 03:53:07 <luke-jr> neofutur: reduce the blk file size limits, then copy the index and hardlink the static file
662 2012-03-17 03:53:09 blitzen has joined
663 2012-03-17 03:53:13 <neofutur> luke-jr: i was thinking of it, would be a great use flag for the gentoo ebuild
664 2012-03-17 03:53:31 <jrmithdobbs> oh, understanding of computers explained: gentoo
665 2012-03-17 03:53:39 <luke-jr> neofutur: it wouldn't be secure though
666 2012-03-17 03:53:45 <neofutur> oh understanding of trolls : jrmithdobbs
667 2012-03-17 03:54:11 <jrmithdobbs> why do you care if it can use a ro blockchain if it's crashing every 30 seconds thanks to -O5 -funroll-loops -fomit-frame-pointer
668 2012-03-17 03:54:12 <neofutur> luke-jr: why not secure with my blockchain being mounted by sshfs
669 2012-03-17 03:54:14 <neofutur> ?
670 2012-03-17 03:54:17 <jrmithdobbs> ;p
671 2012-03-17 03:54:27 <luke-jr> neofutur: because the client doesn't reverify its blockchain
672 2012-03-17 03:54:35 <luke-jr> it just assumes it's valid
673 2012-03-17 03:54:42 <Diablo-D3> lol -O5
674 2012-03-17 03:54:49 <neofutur> thats ok if i m my own blockchain provider ;)
675 2012-03-17 03:54:53 <luke-jr> yes
676 2012-03-17 03:54:53 userhvvm has quit (Quit: Leaving)
677 2012-03-17 03:55:00 qpzijre has joined
678 2012-03-17 03:55:16 <Diablo-D3> oh right, usb extension
679 2012-03-17 03:55:27 <Diablo-D3> so I can pull my case out without the mouse getting unplugged
680 2012-03-17 03:56:01 <qpzijre> can anyone verify that Daniel Folkinshteyn with key C95594B2 is legit? he's not listed under developers on bitcoin.org
681 2012-03-17 03:57:04 <luke-jr> qpzijre: I can verify he's trustworthy, and that is the key I have for him; I cannot verify that key is actually correct.
682 2012-03-17 03:57:25 <qpzijre> hmm. shouldnt bitcoin releses be signed by more than one dev?
683 2012-03-17 03:57:36 <luke-jr> they are.
684 2012-03-17 03:57:40 <Diablo-D3> anyone?
685 2012-03-17 03:57:47 <Diablo-D3> no other ideas on what I should buy?
686 2012-03-17 03:57:56 <Diablo-D3> Im at $613
687 2012-03-17 03:58:08 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: pizza is always good
688 2012-03-17 03:58:12 <Diablo-D3> hurr
689 2012-03-17 03:58:14 <qpzijre> luke-jr: not for 0.5.3.1 at least
690 2012-03-17 03:58:18 <forsetifox> I would go for chinese food.
691 2012-03-17 03:58:30 <Diablo-D3> s&h is $1.93 lawlz
692 2012-03-17 03:58:33 <neofutur> qpzijre: iirc Daniel Folkinshteyn is nanotube
693 2012-03-17 03:58:35 <qpzijre> unless i'm just not looking in the right place
694 2012-03-17 03:58:36 <luke-jr> qpzijre: I expect BlueMatt, gavin, and/or gmaxwell signed it
695 2012-03-17 03:58:45 <luke-jr> qpzijre: gitian sigs repo
696 2012-03-17 03:59:29 <qpzijre> hm ok. thanks
697 2012-03-17 03:59:36 * luke-jr can probably sign it soon also
698 2012-03-17 03:59:49 <qpzijre> i'll wait for that before running
699 2012-03-17 03:59:51 <qpzijre> no rush for me though
700 2012-03-17 04:01:15 <luke-jr> whoever cleaned out the SF files⦠I suggest removing 0.3.24 too, and adding 0.4.4
701 2012-03-17 04:03:28 <Cory> Should the alert be displayed on rc4?
702 2012-03-17 04:04:44 <gmaxwell> What were the fee comments on the vuln. thread that got nuked? I missed them.
703 2012-03-17 04:05:07 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: some n00bs were claiming the fees were raised or something
704 2012-03-17 04:05:08 * Diablo-D3 clicks checkout on newegg
705 2012-03-17 04:05:10 <dwon> So, where's the git repo that contains 0.5.3.1? I don't see a v0.5.3.1 tag in any of my remote repos (bitcoin, luke-jr, and bitcoin-stable).
706 2012-03-17 04:05:20 <luke-jr> dwon: it's not public until people have a chance to upgrade
707 2012-03-17 04:05:30 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: was it that shadow person?
708 2012-03-17 04:05:30 <theymos> cipherdoc was asking about whether the fee rules changed in 0.6.
709 2012-03-17 04:05:38 <luke-jr> dwon: to avoid potential attackers from exploiting it
710 2012-03-17 04:05:41 <dwon> luke-jr: that kind of screws those of us who run our own builds...
711 2012-03-17 04:05:42 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: I forget.
712 2012-03-17 04:05:48 <luke-jr> dwon: on Windows?
713 2012-03-17 04:05:58 Joric has quit ()
714 2012-03-17 04:06:16 <dwon> luke-jr: not me, but if that's your procedure... :(
715 2012-03-17 04:06:24 <luke-jr> dwon: the bug only affects Windows
716 2012-03-17 04:06:37 chrax has joined
717 2012-03-17 04:06:43 <dwon> sure, but what happens when there's a bug that affects Linux? Are you expecting me to run some binary blob?
718 2012-03-17 04:07:03 <theymos> You can shut down the client for a few days in that case.
719 2012-03-17 04:07:07 <luke-jr> dwon: presumably we can deal with it slightly differnetly
720 2012-03-17 04:07:30 <theymos> For a very severe bug you wouldn't even want to release binaries, since someone could reverse-engineer them and figure out the bug.
721 2012-03-17 04:07:33 qpzijre has left ()
722 2012-03-17 04:08:16 <[Tycho]> theymos: ...and never fix it ?
723 2012-03-17 04:08:39 <theymos> No, release source and binaries after everyone has seen the warning and has shut down their clients.
724 2012-03-17 04:08:41 <da2ce7> [Tycho]: announe the bug... then announce a time in a week ahead... for everyone to download and upadte at once.
725 2012-03-17 04:08:54 <dwon> I have a cool idea. Compile a binary that lets me steal people's bitcoins, then release it, claiming it's the "fix" to a "security hole" in the official client. By the time people figure out the problem, they're screwed.
726 2012-03-17 04:09:00 <da2ce7> *shut down the client in the meantime.
727 2012-03-17 04:09:20 <luke-jr> dwon: bitcoind/bitcoin-qt releases are signed by multiple independent developers
728 2012-03-17 04:09:31 <theymos> That's what's specified on https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Contingency_plans for remote code execution attacks. (You should all contribute to this page, by the way.)
729 2012-03-17 04:09:31 <Diablo-D3> and now the 7970 is on the way!
730 2012-03-17 04:09:35 <Diablo-D3> and lets hope I can fit it in my case
731 2012-03-17 04:10:10 <dwon> "Shut down the network" is not a great contingency plan for a financial network.
732 2012-03-17 04:10:23 <theymos> Better than "let everyone's money get stolen".
733 2012-03-17 04:10:23 <luke-jr> dwon: come up with a better plan
734 2012-03-17 04:10:54 <gmaxwell> dwon: If you're concerned about auditing the code, please audit the 0.6 codebase.
735 2012-03-17 04:11:21 <Diablo-D3> Sales Order Date: 3/16/2012 9:08:18 PM
736 2012-03-17 04:11:21 <Diablo-D3> Shipping Method: UPS 3 DAYS
737 2012-03-17 04:11:21 <Diablo-D3> 1 x ($589.99) MSI R7970-2PMD3GD5/OC Radeon HD 7970 3GB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
738 2012-03-17 04:11:21 <Diablo-D3> $589.99
739 2012-03-17 04:11:21 <Diablo-D3> 1 x ($21.99) Delta AFB1212HHE-F00 120mm Case Fan
740 2012-03-17 04:11:22 <Diablo-D3> $21.99
741 2012-03-17 04:11:24 <Diablo-D3> 1 x ($1.30) GENERIC 6 ft. USB 2.0 A Male to A Female Extension Cable (Black)
742 2012-03-17 04:11:26 <Diablo-D3> $1.30
743 2012-03-17 04:11:28 <Diablo-D3> Subtotal: $613.28
744 2012-03-17 04:11:30 <Diablo-D3> Tax: $0.00
745 2012-03-17 04:11:32 <Diablo-D3> Shipping and Handling: $1.93
746 2012-03-17 04:11:34 <Diablo-D3> Total Amount: $615.21
747 2012-03-17 04:11:53 <dwon> theymos: People's money won't be worth anything if it suddenly loses all liquidity.
748 2012-03-17 04:11:59 <luke-jr> dwon: https://github.com/luke-jr/bitcoin/commit/b2f0b7bf64ab82cf4f8fc3cca2e3bc208e153fb0 also needs auditing asap
749 2012-03-17 04:12:19 <theymos> dwon: Hopefully this kind of bug will never happen, or will at least be extremely rare.
750 2012-03-17 04:12:55 JRWR has quit ()
751 2012-03-17 04:13:00 emukshi has joined
752 2012-03-17 04:13:03 <emukshi> gmaxwell is a genius. he rawks. his contributions to bitcoin are awesome. i was just kidding before, when i said he was lame. cmon people, that was bullshit. gmaxwell is a brilliant genius. his CS knowledge is massive. (btw: i never signed anyone up for porn sites. that's ridiculous.)
753 2012-03-17 04:13:03 emukshi has left ()
754 2012-03-17 04:13:18 <luke-jr> â¦
755 2012-03-17 04:13:20 <dwon> gmaxwell: For me right now, it's less about auditing the code and more about the fact that I upgrade bitcoind by doing "git remote update && git checkout vWhatever && make -f makefile.unix".
756 2012-03-17 04:13:34 <gmaxwell> You can.
757 2012-03-17 04:13:38 <Diablo-D3> lol gmaxwell has trolls
758 2012-03-17 04:13:51 <Diablo-D3> you know, whatever the fuck happened to artforz
759 2012-03-17 04:13:52 <luke-jr> dwon: srsly, we need more auditing
760 2012-03-17 04:15:33 <dwon> luke-jr: Honestly, if I'm going to spend the time to wrap my head around a Bitcoin implementation, it won't be the Satoshi client. It's way too uncommented, special-cased, and experimental, and it doesn't support simple things like import/export of private keys in a usable format.
761 2012-03-17 04:15:48 <luke-jr> dwon: all Bitcoin clients are special-cased now! :P
762 2012-03-17 04:15:56 <theymos> Other clients might not be correct, though.
763 2012-03-17 04:16:03 <luke-jr> and it does support import at least, IIRC
764 2012-03-17 04:16:07 <[Tycho]> Isn't import/export standard already ?
765 2012-03-17 04:16:34 <dwon> The latest stable release (v0.5.3 is the latest stable tag in git) doesn't support import/export.
766 2012-03-17 04:17:16 <luke-jr> dwon: 0.6 does/will
767 2012-03-17 04:17:58 <dwon> luke-jr: still, having only one widely-used implementation is not good for *any* network protocol.
768 2012-03-17 04:18:05 <luke-jr> dwon: I agree completely.
769 2012-03-17 04:18:30 <luke-jr> mtve started a Perl implementation <.<
770 2012-03-17 04:18:41 emukshi has joined
771 2012-03-17 04:18:43 <emukshi> gmaxwell is not "incompetent". that's ridiculous. he's brilliant. he taught me a lot about how bitcoin works. the guy knows what the fuck is going on. gmaxwell ftw. i trolled him out of jealousy.
772 2012-03-17 04:18:43 emukshi has left ()
773 2012-03-17 04:19:00 <Diablo-D3> can someone ban that fucker already?
774 2012-03-17 04:19:33 t7 has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 10.0.2/20120215223356])
775 2012-03-17 04:20:24 <dwon> luke-jr: Actually, having multiple widely-used implementations would make the "shut down bitcoind" strategy a bit less terrible, especially if there were a common import/export format between clients. It could become "use another implementation for a few days".
776 2012-03-17 04:21:51 * gmaxwell is sad that he's not allowed to keep his fans.
777 2012-03-17 04:22:04 <dwon> lol
778 2012-03-17 04:22:44 <da2ce7> gmaxwell: do you have a fan-club on facebook yet?
779 2012-03-17 04:22:50 <dwon> gmaxwell is pretty awesome *swoon*
780 2012-03-17 04:22:52 <k9quaint> gmaxwell: I'll be your fan
781 2012-03-17 04:22:53 <gmaxwell> Don't give them ideas.
782 2012-03-17 04:22:55 * k9quaint oscillates
783 2012-03-17 04:23:02 <gmaxwell> He's still in here, fwiw.
784 2012-03-17 04:23:20 <copumpkin> gmaxwell needs a twitter account, really
785 2012-03-17 04:23:23 <gmaxwell> But I'll pretend to not know that, so he'll continue to pretend to not be the troll. :)
786 2012-03-17 04:23:24 <copumpkin> and a million followers
787 2012-03-17 04:23:31 <k9quaint> I draw the line at being one of those Dyson Air Multipliers though
788 2012-03-17 04:25:23 underscor has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
789 2012-03-17 04:25:44 underscor has joined
790 2012-03-17 04:25:59 Detritus has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
791 2012-03-17 04:26:50 bitbybit has joined
792 2012-03-17 04:29:10 pingdrive has joined
793 2012-03-17 04:31:57 <egecko> this page http://bitcoin.org/releases/2012/03/16/v0.5.3.1.html says about *0.5.3.1* "This is a bugfix-only release based on 0.5.1"
794 2012-03-17 04:32:20 <egecko> i presume that should be "based on 0.5.3"
795 2012-03-17 04:32:30 <gmaxwell> doh
796 2012-03-17 04:32:59 <egecko> :)
797 2012-03-17 04:33:40 aleod has joined
798 2012-03-17 04:33:43 <gmaxwell> Attn Windows Bitcoin GUI users: There is a potential security hole fixed by 0.5.3.1 / 0.6.0rc4. PLEASE UPGRADE. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=69120.0
799 2012-03-17 04:35:54 danbri has joined
800 2012-03-17 04:36:47 <luke-jr> egecko: no, 0.5.1
801 2012-03-17 04:37:03 <luke-jr> egecko: the last version before the feature-freeze
802 2012-03-17 04:38:17 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: hm. but that makes it sound like it excludes the fixes from 0.5.3.
803 2012-03-17 04:38:32 <gmaxwell> (though I see what you're getting at there)
804 2012-03-17 04:38:35 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: I agree, the wording isn't the best.
805 2012-03-17 04:38:41 <egecko> yes, it makes it sound like 0.5.3.1 is missing 0.5.2 and 0.5.3 fixes
806 2012-03-17 04:38:41 <luke-jr> I just can't think of a better way to put it :/
807 2012-03-17 04:39:02 <gmaxwell> (0.5.3 used the same language)
808 2012-03-17 04:39:11 <egecko> ive seen such things actually happen in the biznass world bion
809 2012-03-17 04:39:21 <egecko> makes a nightmare of the source control
810 2012-03-17 04:39:37 <gmaxwell> Oh sure... all the time.
811 2012-03-17 04:40:40 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: how about 0.5.3.1, 0.5.3, and 0.5.2 are bugfix-only releases based on 0.5.1. ?
812 2012-03-17 04:41:19 <luke-jr> that list would get long
813 2012-03-17 04:41:59 <egecko> how about something like "0.5.1 is the feature freeze, all subsequent versions are patches based on this version"
814 2012-03-17 04:42:19 <egecko> until that statement is no longer true of course :)
815 2012-03-17 04:43:05 Maged has joined
816 2012-03-17 04:44:12 <dwon> On the topic of BIP 18 (since I can't post to the forum yet): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=68677.0
817 2012-03-17 04:44:48 <dwon> One benefit of deprecating a feature would be that new implementations wouldn't have to deal with some of the legacy features, such as sending to a non-P2SH address.
818 2012-03-17 04:46:04 <gmaxwell> IIRC that wasn't the goal of luke's deprecating. Just to discourage anything new which wasn't p2sh.
819 2012-03-17 04:46:35 <gmaxwell> For legacy addresses we'll need to support them for many years at a minimum. And from the perspective of security and stability it's bad to push any deprecating too quickly.
820 2012-03-17 04:47:33 <luke-jr> there should be years between deprecation and removal
821 2012-03-17 04:47:35 <dwon> No, not everyone will have to support legacy addresses. Depending on the kind of business I'm operating, I could simply say, "I'm not sending money to anyone who doesn't give me a P2SH address".
822 2012-03-17 04:47:38 barmstro_ has joined
823 2012-03-17 04:47:40 <dwon> ^ today
824 2012-03-17 04:48:10 <luke-jr> the sooner deprecated, the sooner the years begin ticking :P
825 2012-03-17 04:48:13 <dwon> Considering that this is a security-critical protocol, some care should be put in to keep the minimal implementation minimal.
826 2012-03-17 04:49:39 <dwon> It doesn't even need to be years, either. Most bitcoin transactions are sent to new addresses, right? As soon as most people can getnewaddress a P2SH address, there's no real reason why anyone *must* have the ability to send to a non-P2SH address anymore.
827 2012-03-17 04:49:50 <dwon> s/anyone/everyone/
828 2012-03-17 04:49:55 <gmaxwell> dwon: then we end up forcing people onto it at an accelerated pace, and some issue is found it it and everyone is @#$@ed not just the early adopters. This is unacceptable.
829 2012-03-17 04:50:08 barmstrong has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
830 2012-03-17 04:50:10 <gmaxwell> dwon: they should be sent to new address. Most are not.
831 2012-03-17 04:50:20 <Graet> ^^^^
832 2012-03-17 04:50:39 <egecko> P2SH?
833 2012-03-17 04:50:46 <luke-jr> IMO, probably in a year we can replace 1⦠addrs with P2SH, then a year or two after that, remove support for sending to 1â¦
834 2012-03-17 04:51:09 <dwon> gmaxwell: I'm not saying the Satoshi client should drop support for it, but a special-purpose, high-security minimal client could (say, for cold-storage), for example.
835 2012-03-17 04:51:31 <gmaxwell> Regardless ofit being deprecated, I expect a six months to a year before we can tell people to use P2SH for anything other than low value experimental usage.
836 2012-03-17 04:51:46 <theymos> I consider regular address transactions to be a little more secure than P2SH transactions, since an attacker can't bruteforce the hash function without generating ECDSA keys. And regular pubkey transactions don't rely on RIPEMD-160 at all.
837 2012-03-17 04:51:47 <gmaxwell> dwon: you can already do that today.
838 2012-03-17 04:52:27 * luke-jr doesn't expect BIP 18 to go active right away
839 2012-03-17 04:53:29 <dwon> gmaxwell: I know. I'm speaking more generally about the comment, "I don't see a point in "officially" depreciating something that must be supported forever anyway."
840 2012-03-17 04:53:51 <dwon> The only stuff that "must be supported forever" is what's needed to verify the block chain. Everything else should be on the table.
841 2012-03-17 04:54:45 <gmaxwell> It's a fair comment. Because of the wide publication of 1_ addresses, I'm not sure that we wouldn't want to generally support them for a very long time... but fair enough.
842 2012-03-17 04:54:58 * neofutur offering 5 btcs for a bitcoind patch allowing read only blockchain , an option --readonly , the bitcoind wont update the blockchain files, he ll just read it
843 2012-03-17 04:55:45 <dwon> gmaxwell: It's one of those MAY/SHOULD/MUST requirement things. Eventually, there are going to be some good RFC-style protocol docs for Bitcoin, and we shouldn't have MUST requirements that aren't really MUST requirements.
844 2012-03-17 04:56:02 <dwon> Supporting 1_ addresses is a SHOULD, in my opinion.
845 2012-03-17 05:00:54 <dwon> theymos: I guess it would depend on how much of the work of generating ECDSA keys is actually spent on generating *strong* keys, vs keys that work at all. One possible attack would be to generate weaker keys, trying to collide with the RIPEMD-160 hash in an unspent output, and then immediately spending it again to a stronger key.
846 2012-03-17 05:01:14 <gmaxwell> dwon: none.
847 2012-03-17 05:01:35 <theymos> gmaxwell pointed out that you can probably add arbitrary data to keys, so that criticism of mine is probably invalid.
848 2012-03-17 05:01:44 <gmaxwell> All of the ecc keys are strong (except the stupid case of the identity)
849 2012-03-17 05:02:14 <phantomcircuit> dwon, an ecc key is simply a very large random number
850 2012-03-17 05:02:20 <gmaxwell> it's not like RSA where you can make the generation a zillion times faster by not making it a near prime.
851 2012-03-17 05:03:05 Maged has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
852 2012-03-17 05:04:17 <gmaxwell> theymos: even if, â any hash attack is likely to have fairly special structure like the md5 ones do, so the more freedom the better. And P2SH does have more freedom.
853 2012-03-17 05:05:01 <gmaxwell> If SHA256 turns out to be weak though, the signatures themselves are not secure.
854 2012-03-17 05:05:06 dissipate has joined
855 2012-03-17 05:05:11 <dwon> ah that makes sense
856 2012-03-17 05:06:41 Maged has joined
857 2012-03-17 05:06:50 Slix` has joined
858 2012-03-17 05:07:16 <gmaxwell> (e.g. I could ask you to sign TXN A ... which is a collision TXN B, both partially chosen by me... and thereby rob youâ though it would require a pretty horriffic breakdown in sha256)
859 2012-03-17 05:07:16 <jrmithdobbs> dwon: ecdsa are just random values so the quality depends on how good the random sources openssl depends on on your platform
860 2012-03-17 05:07:34 pierre` has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
861 2012-03-17 05:08:00 <jrmithdobbs> i still want to know why satoshi picked that particular curve, tho
862 2012-03-17 05:08:06 <jrmithdobbs> it seems to be pretty random just based on size
863 2012-03-17 05:08:52 <gmaxwell> jrmithdobbs: well, they're numbers on the particular field in use. The field operations are slower than the operations used in RSA by a large amount... which is why ECC key generation is slow at all.
864 2012-03-17 05:09:02 <gmaxwell> But there is no search component like there is in RSA
865 2012-03-17 05:09:51 <theymos> jrmithdobbs: He didn't have any particular reason for picking this curve. Bitcoin was created when ECDSA was pretty rare, and he didn't know which curves would be popular later on. He just guessed wrong.
866 2012-03-17 05:10:19 <gmaxwell> well. "wrong" He didn't pick one that has (yet) turned out to be unusually insecure.
867 2012-03-17 05:10:53 <gmaxwell> None of the other options available to him would be fast like ed25519 in any case.
868 2012-03-17 05:11:15 <jrmithdobbs> i've been playing with ed25519, shit's an impressive piece of work
869 2012-03-17 05:12:33 <gmaxwell> Yea.. it's fast. A lot faster than our curve+openssl
870 2012-03-17 05:13:41 <jrmithdobbs> especially the nacl implementations
871 2012-03-17 05:14:33 <jrmithdobbs> oddly enough, we have the US gov and the EU to thank for those ;p
872 2012-03-17 05:14:34 <dwon> I haven't seen ed25519 before. How does it compare to Curve25519?
873 2012-03-17 05:14:42 <dwon> Is it the same thing?
874 2012-03-17 05:14:47 <jrmithdobbs> si
875 2012-03-17 05:15:22 <gmaxwell> No, it's differentâ the edwards curve is an isomorphism to the curve25519 and gets the same security properties (according to some proof I didn't bother reading)
876 2012-03-17 05:16:27 <gmaxwell> dwon: what djb released w/ curve25519 did only ECDH, ed25519 is a complete setup for ecdsa-like signtures with a number of well considered design and implemention characteristics.
877 2012-03-17 05:17:23 <jrmithdobbs> it still derives all the magic speed the same way, it is different though, my bad
878 2012-03-17 05:18:13 <dwon> It's good that it's getting some traction. Curve25519 seemed a bit abandoned, and I was afraid it would get forgotten in DJB-land like a lot of his other stuff.
879 2012-03-17 05:20:07 <dwon> Sigh. I should probably start learning about ECC. One day...
880 2012-03-17 05:20:09 <da2ce7> nacl is being used in the cjdns project.
881 2012-03-17 05:20:35 PsiliPharm has joined
882 2012-03-17 05:22:43 ThomasV has joined
883 2012-03-17 05:23:56 npouillard has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
884 2012-03-17 05:24:39 danbri has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
885 2012-03-17 05:25:16 <Diablo-D3> djb's problem is he writes shit
886 2012-03-17 05:25:22 <Diablo-D3> he doesnt maintain shit
887 2012-03-17 05:26:19 <dwon> Diablo-D3: Actually, for an academic, his code is *fantastic*.
888 2012-03-17 05:26:58 <dwon> but yeah, he doesn't maintain it. And for years, he released it under goofy, restrictive licenses. (I suspect the latter had more influence on the lack of adoption of his software than "shitty code")
889 2012-03-17 05:27:09 <Diablo-D3> dwon: Im not questioning his code
890 2012-03-17 05:27:14 Cablesaurus has quit (Quit: Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies.)
891 2012-03-17 05:27:19 minjin has joined
892 2012-03-17 05:27:20 <Diablo-D3> Im questioning his involvement has a serial project lead.
893 2012-03-17 05:27:30 <Diablo-D3> he starts projects, finishes them, and then jumps ship
894 2012-03-17 05:28:04 <dwon> ... which would have been fine if it hadn't been for the licensing. git and bitcoin had the same things happen, but other people took them over.
895 2012-03-17 05:28:23 <Diablo-D3> the licensing can largely be ignored
896 2012-03-17 05:28:36 <Diablo-D3> rewrite it from scratch under a more acceptable license and who cares what the original was
897 2012-03-17 05:29:11 Zodiac1233 has joined
898 2012-03-17 05:29:18 <dwon> Well, I think that's what he originally wanted, but nobody bothered to rewrite qmail.
899 2012-03-17 05:29:53 <dwon> thie cjdns thing: "Imagine an Internet where every packet is cryptographically protected from source to destination against espionage and forgery, getting an IP address is as simple as generating a cryptographic key"
900 2012-03-17 05:29:57 npouillard has joined
901 2012-03-17 05:30:12 <dwon> I actually had a pipe dream of implementing something like that. Now I don't have to. :)
902 2012-03-17 05:32:59 <Diablo-D3> yeah, that'd be easy to actually do
903 2012-03-17 05:33:28 minimoose has quit (Quit: minimoose)
904 2012-03-17 05:33:43 <gmaxwell> Attn Windows Bitcoin GUI users: There is a potential security hole fixed by 0.5.3.1 / 0.6.0rc4. PLEASE UPGRADE. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=69120.0
905 2012-03-17 05:34:43 Samuel has joined
906 2012-03-17 05:34:54 <Samuel> Hello
907 2012-03-17 05:35:18 Samuel has quit (Client Quit)
908 2012-03-17 05:37:40 OneFixt has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
909 2012-03-17 05:37:52 OneFixt has joined
910 2012-03-17 05:39:05 OneFixt_ has joined
911 2012-03-17 05:42:00 <[Tycho]> "Legacy" normal scripts should be supported forever.
912 2012-03-17 05:42:17 <Diablo-D3> yes
913 2012-03-17 05:42:18 <Diablo-D3> well
914 2012-03-17 05:42:19 <Diablo-D3> they have to
915 2012-03-17 05:42:26 <Diablo-D3> the chain must always fully verify
916 2012-03-17 05:42:53 <[Tycho]> Luke come up with idea even worse than BIP16 itself, which wasn't easy.
917 2012-03-17 05:43:15 OneFixt has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
918 2012-03-17 05:43:28 OneFixt_ is now known as OneFixt
919 2012-03-17 05:47:42 <da2ce7> [Tycho]: it is a step in the right direction.
920 2012-03-17 05:47:52 <[Tycho]> No.
921 2012-03-17 05:48:21 <da2ce7> you can oneday provide 'account balances' for all the legacy scripts... and cull of the old chain.
922 2012-03-17 05:48:25 <[Tycho]> I should have stopped that BIP16 at all...
923 2012-03-17 05:49:58 <theymos> BIP 16 isn't perfect, though it's useful and not harmful at all. BIP 18 seems useless to me (also not harmful, though).
924 2012-03-17 05:50:26 <[Tycho]> theymos: the harm comes from the idea of deprecating normal scripts
925 2012-03-17 05:51:27 <XMPPwocky> we should use Java for scripts instead
926 2012-03-17 05:51:30 <XMPPwocky> it's web-scale.
927 2012-03-17 05:51:40 <[Tycho]> No way
928 2012-03-17 05:51:53 <XMPPwocky> </joke>
929 2012-03-17 05:52:12 <[Tycho]> May be forth...
930 2012-03-17 05:52:16 <[Tycho]> Or APL
931 2012-03-17 05:52:30 <XMPPwocky> JCL~
932 2012-03-17 05:53:09 Slix` has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
933 2012-03-17 05:54:52 bitbybit has quit (Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com ))
934 2012-03-17 05:57:05 tttttllllldd has joined
935 2012-03-17 05:58:11 Tuxavant has quit (Write error: Broken pipe)
936 2012-03-17 05:58:13 theymos has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
937 2012-03-17 05:58:14 Tuxavant_ has joined
938 2012-03-17 05:58:36 justmoon has joined
939 2012-03-17 05:58:36 justmoon has quit (Changing host)
940 2012-03-17 05:58:36 justmoon has joined
941 2012-03-17 05:59:15 Tuxavant_ is now known as Tuxavant
942 2012-03-17 06:00:42 da2ce7 has quit (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/)
943 2012-03-17 06:01:31 da2ce7 has joined
944 2012-03-17 06:01:46 Neskia is now known as Nesetalis
945 2012-03-17 06:02:12 tttttllllldd has quit (Quit: Page closed)
946 2012-03-17 06:06:44 chrax has quit ()
947 2012-03-17 06:09:59 elkingrey has joined
948 2012-03-17 06:11:52 Karmaon has quit (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8-dev)
949 2012-03-17 06:12:11 Karmaon has joined
950 2012-03-17 06:26:49 blitzen has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
951 2012-03-17 06:33:43 <gmaxwell> Attn Windows Bitcoin GUI users: There is a potential security hole fixed by 0.5.3.1 / 0.6.0rc4. PLEASE UPGRADE. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=69120.0
952 2012-03-17 06:36:21 Maged has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 10.0.2/20120215223356])
953 2012-03-17 06:38:30 pingdrive has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
954 2012-03-17 06:40:15 Cablesaurus has joined
955 2012-03-17 06:40:15 Cablesaurus has quit (Changing host)
956 2012-03-17 06:40:15 Cablesaurus has joined
957 2012-03-17 06:40:32 ThomasV has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
958 2012-03-17 06:40:34 <[Tycho]> I wonder if we will reach 90% BIP16 support before 01.04...
959 2012-03-17 06:40:52 elkingrey has quit (Quit: Leaving)
960 2012-03-17 06:41:07 <justmoon> [Tycho]: if not, we'll reach it instantly after :P
961 2012-03-17 06:41:21 <[Tycho]> It depends.
962 2012-03-17 06:41:30 <justmoon> how so?
963 2012-03-17 06:42:18 loktigon has quit ()
964 2012-03-17 06:42:20 <justmoon> I'm sure someone will publish a non-BIP16 compliant transaction for the unupdated miners to trip over
965 2012-03-17 06:42:27 <[Tycho]> If we will be at 80%, then imagine - if for some reason Deepbit drops support then someone evil can instantly redeem all P2SH TXes and by the way make all other pools' blocks invalid.
966 2012-03-17 06:43:16 <justmoon> well, I'd hope deepbit not do that then *stern look*
967 2012-03-17 06:43:25 <[Tycho]> :)
968 2012-03-17 06:45:20 <[Tycho]> I'll recommend people to not send anything valuable with P2SH unless 90+% are reached.
969 2012-03-17 06:45:22 <da2ce7> justmoon: if deepbit drops it.. then we would just ddos the pool.
970 2012-03-17 06:45:24 <da2ce7> ha ha
971 2012-03-17 06:45:29 <justmoon> lol
972 2012-03-17 06:46:07 <[Tycho]> ...and the evil one can ddos all the other pools
973 2012-03-17 06:46:08 <justmoon> lynch law, tried and tested since 1755
974 2012-03-17 06:46:47 <da2ce7> deepbit would need to both drop it, AND stop mining the p2sh transactions... if deepbit just goes down, it woudn't hurt the effort, (support would still be much above 50%)
975 2012-03-17 06:50:09 pingdrive has joined
976 2012-03-17 06:50:36 RazielZ has joined
977 2012-03-17 06:57:46 forsetifox has left ()
978 2012-03-17 07:07:06 da2ce7 has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
979 2012-03-17 07:08:01 Flargles_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
980 2012-03-17 07:08:24 Flargles_ has joined
981 2012-03-17 07:17:51 phantomfakeBNC has quit (Quit: changing servers)
982 2012-03-17 07:18:22 larsivi has quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.)
983 2012-03-17 07:19:01 h4ckm3 has quit (Quit: changing servers)
984 2012-03-17 07:19:49 larsivi has joined
985 2012-03-17 07:22:52 phantomfakeBNC has joined
986 2012-03-17 07:23:44 phantomfakeBNC has quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
987 2012-03-17 07:27:26 phantomfakeBNC has joined
988 2012-03-17 07:29:20 phantomfakeBNC has quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
989 2012-03-17 07:32:20 phantomfakeBNC has joined
990 2012-03-17 07:32:37 phantomfakeBNC has quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
991 2012-03-17 07:33:43 <gmaxwell> Attn Windows Bitcoin GUI users: There is a potential security hole fixed by 0.5.3.1 / 0.6.0rc4. PLEASE UPGRADE. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=69120.0
992 2012-03-17 07:37:04 da2ce7 has joined
993 2012-03-17 07:40:17 freewil has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
994 2012-03-17 07:44:22 phantomfakeBNC has joined
995 2012-03-17 07:45:06 phantomfakeBNC has quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
996 2012-03-17 07:46:56 phantomfakeBNC has joined
997 2012-03-17 07:47:56 phantomfakeBNC has quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
998 2012-03-17 07:49:02 PsiliPharm has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
999 2012-03-17 07:51:53 phantomfakeBNC has joined
1000 2012-03-17 07:52:02 phantomfakeBNC has quit (Excess Flood)
1001 2012-03-17 07:52:35 phantomfakeBNC has joined
1002 2012-03-17 07:52:48 phantomfakeBNC has quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
1003 2012-03-17 07:53:42 phantomfakeBNC has joined
1004 2012-03-17 07:53:48 phantomfakeBNC has quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
1005 2012-03-17 07:55:04 PsiliPharm has joined
1006 2012-03-17 07:55:35 freewil has joined
1007 2012-03-17 07:58:27 phantomfakeBNC has joined
1008 2012-03-17 07:58:34 phantomfakeBNC has quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
1009 2012-03-17 07:59:52 phantomfakeBNC has joined
1010 2012-03-17 08:03:00 PsiliPharm has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
1011 2012-03-17 08:03:49 phantomfakeBNC has quit (Client Quit)
1012 2012-03-17 08:04:55 phantomfakeBNC has joined
1013 2012-03-17 08:06:45 phantomfakeBNC has quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
1014 2012-03-17 08:06:46 mologie has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
1015 2012-03-17 08:07:40 PsiliPharm has joined
1016 2012-03-17 08:08:57 g2x3k has joined
1017 2012-03-17 08:09:13 <g2x3k> anyone that can explain what http://www.mpaste.net/view.php?q=FfST6u is ?
1018 2012-03-17 08:09:27 <g2x3k> causes 100% cpu usage ..
1019 2012-03-17 08:09:30 da2ce7 has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
1020 2012-03-17 08:09:39 phantomfakeBNC has joined
1021 2012-03-17 08:10:20 phantomfakeBNC has quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
1022 2012-03-17 08:10:21 h4ckm3 has joined
1023 2012-03-17 08:13:51 phantomfakeBNC has joined
1024 2012-03-17 08:15:00 OneFixt_ has joined
1025 2012-03-17 08:17:17 abishai has joined
1026 2012-03-17 08:17:41 pumpkin has joined
1027 2012-03-17 08:17:43 copumpkin has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1028 2012-03-17 08:17:47 pumpkin has quit (Changing host)
1029 2012-03-17 08:17:47 pumpkin has joined
1030 2012-03-17 08:17:50 phantomfakeBNC has quit (Client Quit)
1031 2012-03-17 08:18:30 OneFixt has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1032 2012-03-17 08:18:36 OneFixt_ is now known as OneFixt
1033 2012-03-17 08:19:09 <g2x3k> anyone please ?
1034 2012-03-17 08:19:21 <g2x3k> cripling my pool :(
1035 2012-03-17 08:19:43 <tcatm> Are you running the latest stable version?
1036 2012-03-17 08:19:55 <g2x3k> yea
1037 2012-03-17 08:20:21 <tcatm> Can you try downloading the blockchain again?
1038 2012-03-17 08:20:29 <g2x3k> yuh two sec
1039 2012-03-17 08:21:12 iocor has joined
1040 2012-03-17 08:21:43 <g2x3k> well bit of an understatement but ye
1041 2012-03-17 08:25:53 <g2x3k> catching up from backup chain now
1042 2012-03-17 08:26:12 <g2x3k> dosnt seem to have solved it tho
1043 2012-03-17 08:26:36 <g2x3k> removed everything but wallet.dat but is there again
1044 2012-03-17 08:27:55 <captain^k> that is unusual
1045 2012-03-17 08:28:33 <tcatm> g2x3k: Can post a complete debug.log somewhere (maybe privately)?
1046 2012-03-17 08:29:09 <captain^k> g2x3k: blockchain is available at http://eu1.bitcoincharts.com/blockchain/
1047 2012-03-17 08:31:33 <g2x3k> isnt much more to log then whats in paste
1048 2012-03-17 08:31:47 <g2x3k> it gonna have to wait
1049 2012-03-17 08:33:29 mologie has joined
1050 2012-03-17 08:33:43 <gmaxwell> Attn Windows Bitcoin GUI users: There is a potential security hole fixed by 0.5.3.1 / 0.6.0rc4. PLEASE UPGRADE. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=69120.0
1051 2012-03-17 08:37:47 justmoon has quit (Quit: Leaving)
1052 2012-03-17 08:42:44 xaxo has joined
1053 2012-03-17 08:48:40 TD has joined
1054 2012-03-17 08:55:04 ThomasV has joined
1055 2012-03-17 08:55:55 <DrHaribo> damnit... long invalid fork on testnet again
1056 2012-03-17 08:59:21 <DrHaribo> nevermind, caught up already
1057 2012-03-17 09:01:32 iocor has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
1058 2012-03-17 09:02:35 _Fireball has joined
1059 2012-03-17 09:03:12 tower has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1060 2012-03-17 09:03:38 tower has joined
1061 2012-03-17 09:06:08 tower has quit (Read error: Connection timed out)
1062 2012-03-17 09:06:41 tower has joined
1063 2012-03-17 09:07:34 mologie has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
1064 2012-03-17 09:07:40 <g2x3k> found a spotify plugin dev that was up for challenge :P ^^
1065 2012-03-17 09:09:36 xaxo has quit (Quit: Page closed)
1066 2012-03-17 09:13:24 erle- has joined
1067 2012-03-17 09:14:58 PsiliPharm has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1068 2012-03-17 09:14:59 TD has quit (Quit: TD)
1069 2012-03-17 09:16:50 Someguy123 is now known as Someguy123[afk]
1070 2012-03-17 09:19:19 PsiliPharm has joined
1071 2012-03-17 09:22:04 dvide has joined
1072 2012-03-17 09:30:43 bitcoinbulletin has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1073 2012-03-17 09:33:13 inlikeflynn has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1074 2012-03-17 09:33:28 inlikeflynn has joined
1075 2012-03-17 09:33:43 <gmaxwell> Attn Windows Bitcoin GUI users: There is a potential security hole fixed by 0.5.3.1 / 0.6.0rc4. PLEASE UPGRADE. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=69120.0
1076 2012-03-17 09:37:58 mologie has joined
1077 2012-03-17 09:40:46 bitcoinbulletin has joined
1078 2012-03-17 09:43:46 iocor has joined
1079 2012-03-17 09:47:37 Zodiac1233 has quit (Quit: Page closed)
1080 2012-03-17 09:53:06 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: Diapolo opened issue 943 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/943>
1081 2012-03-17 09:58:42 marf_away has joined
1082 2012-03-17 10:03:53 phantomfakeBNC has joined
1083 2012-03-17 10:05:44 h4ckm3 has quit (Quit: changing servers)
1084 2012-03-17 10:06:01 <_Fireball> gmaxwell, it would be useful to put that to the channel topic
1085 2012-03-17 10:06:18 h4ckm3 has joined
1086 2012-03-17 10:07:53 phantomfakeBNC has quit (Client Quit)
1087 2012-03-17 10:08:58 phantomfakeBNC has joined
1088 2012-03-17 10:10:22 phantomfakeBNC has quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
1089 2012-03-17 10:13:08 <jeremias> I can't get the JSON-RPC to work, is there a way to test it from the command line
1090 2012-03-17 10:13:35 PsiliPharm has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1091 2012-03-17 10:19:01 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: guru777 opened issue 944 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/944>
1092 2012-03-17 10:21:37 barmstrong has joined
1093 2012-03-17 10:21:37 barmstro_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1094 2012-03-17 10:30:57 PsiliPharm has joined
1095 2012-03-17 10:33:43 <gmaxwell> Attn Windows Bitcoin GUI users: There is a potential security hole fixed by 0.5.3.1 / 0.6.0rc4. PLEASE UPGRADE. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=69120.0
1096 2012-03-17 10:44:41 user7 has joined
1097 2012-03-17 10:50:59 user7 has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
1098 2012-03-17 10:53:12 marf_away has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
1099 2012-03-17 10:53:12 splatster has quit (Quit: splatster)
1100 2012-03-17 10:55:04 Cablesaurus has quit (Quit: Now if you will excuse me, I have a giant ball of oil to throw out my window)
1101 2012-03-17 10:56:20 marf_away has joined
1102 2012-03-17 10:56:20 _Fireball has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1103 2012-03-17 10:57:37 _Fireball has joined
1104 2012-03-17 11:01:11 dissipate has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1105 2012-03-17 11:06:57 marf_away has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
1106 2012-03-17 11:09:31 Nicksasa has joined
1107 2012-03-17 11:09:32 Nicksasa has quit (Changing host)
1108 2012-03-17 11:09:32 Nicksasa has joined
1109 2012-03-17 11:09:42 specular has joined
1110 2012-03-17 11:10:33 Turingi has joined
1111 2012-03-17 11:13:41 pusle has joined
1112 2012-03-17 11:16:28 slothbag has joined
1113 2012-03-17 11:22:50 Detritus has joined
1114 2012-03-17 11:27:33 blumenkraft has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1115 2012-03-17 11:28:21 blumenkraft has joined
1116 2012-03-17 11:32:28 luke-sr is now known as mcorlett
1117 2012-03-17 11:33:43 <gmaxwell> Attn Windows Bitcoin GUI users: There is a potential security hole fixed by 0.5.3.1 / 0.6.0rc4. PLEASE UPGRADE. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=69120.0
1118 2012-03-17 11:36:57 tucenaber has joined
1119 2012-03-17 11:41:49 <_Fireball> jeremias, yes, it's very easy "bitcoind getinfo" for example would invoke the command via JSON-RPC interface
1120 2012-03-17 11:57:04 <[Tycho]> Hello.
1121 2012-03-17 12:02:37 PsiliPharm has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1122 2012-03-17 12:05:22 PsiliPharm has joined
1123 2012-03-17 12:09:33 slothbag has quit (Quit: I quit!)
1124 2012-03-17 12:10:33 rdponticelli has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
1125 2012-03-17 12:13:20 danbri has joined
1126 2012-03-17 12:15:02 rdponticelli has joined
1127 2012-03-17 12:21:06 bitvampire has joined
1128 2012-03-17 12:33:44 <gmaxwell> Attn Windows Bitcoin GUI users: There is a potential security hole fixed by 0.5.3.1 / 0.6.0rc4. PLEASE UPGRADE. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=69120.0
1129 2012-03-17 12:35:52 sneak has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1130 2012-03-17 12:36:22 sneak has joined
1131 2012-03-17 12:36:22 sneak has quit (Changing host)
1132 2012-03-17 12:36:22 sneak has joined
1133 2012-03-17 12:40:33 iocor has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
1134 2012-03-17 12:46:28 danbri has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
1135 2012-03-17 12:49:56 iocor has joined
1136 2012-03-17 13:03:01 denisx has joined
1137 2012-03-17 13:08:36 PsiliPharm has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1138 2012-03-17 13:11:46 pingdrive has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
1139 2012-03-17 13:18:28 gavinandresen has joined
1140 2012-03-17 13:20:13 ThomasV has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
1141 2012-03-17 13:20:47 Zarutian has joined
1142 2012-03-17 13:25:34 pingdrive has joined
1143 2012-03-17 13:33:13 gfinn has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
1144 2012-03-17 13:33:29 phantomfakeBNC has joined
1145 2012-03-17 13:33:44 <gmaxwell> Attn Windows Bitcoin GUI users: There is a potential security hole fixed by 0.5.3.1 / 0.6.0rc4. PLEASE UPGRADE. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=69120.0
1146 2012-03-17 13:34:20 Someguy123[afk] is now known as Someguy123
1147 2012-03-17 13:34:51 rdponticelli has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1148 2012-03-17 13:35:22 rdponticelli has joined
1149 2012-03-17 13:37:28 phantomfakeBNC has quit (Client Quit)
1150 2012-03-17 13:39:48 Matso has joined
1151 2012-03-17 13:44:58 gfinn has joined
1152 2012-03-17 13:46:48 bitvampire has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1153 2012-03-17 13:47:43 bitvampire has joined
1154 2012-03-17 13:50:15 <Zarutian> re midi in bitcoin alerts: why not just use .mod or .it music-modules? Could include any kind of sample you like.
1155 2012-03-17 13:55:11 useruht has joined
1156 2012-03-17 13:58:16 pumpkin is now known as copumpkin
1157 2012-03-17 14:01:23 <abracadabra> i'm looking at the transaction list on the gui bitcoin client
1158 2012-03-17 14:01:26 abishai has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1159 2012-03-17 14:01:42 <abracadabra> is there a way to add number of confirmation as a column to the trasnaction list?
1160 2012-03-17 14:02:30 ThomasV has joined
1161 2012-03-17 14:06:28 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: Diapolo opened issue 945 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/945>
1162 2012-03-17 14:09:53 FaktioNN has joined
1163 2012-03-17 14:11:16 denisx has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
1164 2012-03-17 14:12:50 denisx has joined
1165 2012-03-17 14:23:43 minimoose has joined
1166 2012-03-17 14:30:45 ternit has joined
1167 2012-03-17 14:32:43 pierre` has joined
1168 2012-03-17 14:33:44 <gmaxwell> Attn Windows Bitcoin GUI users: There is a potential security hole fixed by 0.5.3.1 / 0.6.0rc4. PLEASE UPGRADE. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=69120.0
1169 2012-03-17 14:46:42 danbri has joined
1170 2012-03-17 14:48:18 JRWR has joined
1171 2012-03-17 14:48:39 useruht has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1172 2012-03-17 14:51:05 userjgg has joined
1173 2012-03-17 14:57:27 iocor has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
1174 2012-03-17 15:01:53 t7 has joined
1175 2012-03-17 15:05:30 larsivi has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1176 2012-03-17 15:06:02 larsivi has joined
1177 2012-03-17 15:10:43 gfinn has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
1178 2012-03-17 15:11:22 paraipan has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
1179 2012-03-17 15:12:15 iocor has joined
1180 2012-03-17 15:14:39 paraipan has joined
1181 2012-03-17 15:16:07 darkskiez has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
1182 2012-03-17 15:25:45 gfinn has joined
1183 2012-03-17 15:30:50 gruez has joined
1184 2012-03-17 15:30:59 <gruez> is there a good way to rebuild a wallet file?
1185 2012-03-17 15:31:08 <sipa> define rebuild?
1186 2012-03-17 15:31:17 <gruez> take all the private keys
1187 2012-03-17 15:31:19 <gruez> dump them
1188 2012-03-17 15:31:22 <gruez> and import them back
1189 2012-03-17 15:32:06 darkskiez has joined
1190 2012-03-17 15:33:44 <gmaxwell> Attn Windows Bitcoin GUI users: There is a potential security hole fixed by 0.5.3.1 / 0.6.0rc4. PLEASE UPGRADE. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=69120.0
1191 2012-03-17 15:33:58 <sipa> gmaxwell: cronjob?
1192 2012-03-17 15:34:15 <luke-jr> sipa: I think he put a while loop in /exec -o :p
1193 2012-03-17 15:34:42 <gmaxwell> ^ that
1194 2012-03-17 15:34:54 <gmaxwell> /exec -o while true ; ...
1195 2012-03-17 15:35:15 <sipa> right, there's a cron irssi script as well :)
1196 2012-03-17 15:35:50 splatster has joined
1197 2012-03-17 15:36:55 SomeoneWeird is now known as SomeoneWeirdzzzz
1198 2012-03-17 15:37:53 * luke-jr COULD use a real cronjob with Konvi
1199 2012-03-17 15:38:49 bnmorgan has joined
1200 2012-03-17 15:40:50 darkskiez has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1201 2012-03-17 15:40:59 <bnmorgan> could someone direct me to plain english instructions on how to use the private key to get value of bitcoins out of a physical form and into electronic form?
1202 2012-03-17 15:41:22 <sipa> bnmorgan: casascius coins?
1203 2012-03-17 15:41:31 <jrmithdobbs> bnmorgan: that question doesn't really parse
1204 2012-03-17 15:41:49 <bnmorgan> well, bitaddress printable in particular
1205 2012-03-17 15:41:54 <bnmorgan> but i think same concept
1206 2012-03-17 15:42:01 <sipa> use 0.6.0's importprivkey call
1207 2012-03-17 15:42:25 <sipa> (0.6.0 is not yet released, but there are release candidates)
1208 2012-03-17 15:43:27 <bnmorgan> i have the rc, but i don't know how to actually use that.
1209 2012-03-17 15:43:48 <sipa> ./bitcoind importprivkey <theprivatekey>
1210 2012-03-17 15:44:17 <sipa> there's no GUI for it (yet)
1211 2012-03-17 15:44:27 <bnmorgan> ok, so what use are the qr codes for the keys?
1212 2012-03-17 15:44:59 <sipa> there are separate tools you can use to import a private key, afaik
1213 2012-03-17 15:45:28 <sipa> and maybe some alternative clients supports import of a private key via QR code
1214 2012-03-17 15:46:22 gruez has quit (Quit: Page closed)
1215 2012-03-17 15:46:53 loktigon has joined
1216 2012-03-17 15:55:22 theymos has joined
1217 2012-03-17 15:55:22 phantomfakeBNC has joined
1218 2012-03-17 15:55:22 phantomfakeBNC has quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
1219 2012-03-17 15:55:38 <theymos> slush, BlueMatt: Here's D.H.'s translation of /critfix to Swedish: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=HPshHS98
1220 2012-03-17 15:56:53 <luke-jr> sipa*
1221 2012-03-17 15:57:09 <theymos> whoops, sorry. For some reason I always confuse those two names.
1222 2012-03-17 15:58:53 danbri has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1223 2012-03-17 15:59:03 Clipse has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1224 2012-03-17 15:59:04 minimoose has quit (Quit: minimoose)
1225 2012-03-17 15:59:10 <ternit> what happened to those translations anyways?
1226 2012-03-17 15:59:17 <ternit> i cant see them on critfix
1227 2012-03-17 15:59:31 <theymos> I can. Probably you need to refresh the page.
1228 2012-03-17 16:00:32 <ternit> awesome i see them
1229 2012-03-17 16:01:37 <sipa> sorry, can't merge right now
1230 2012-03-17 16:01:41 h4ckm3 has quit (Quit: changing servers)
1231 2012-03-17 16:02:06 Nicksasa has quit (Read error: No route to host)
1232 2012-03-17 16:04:04 h4ckm3 has joined
1233 2012-03-17 16:04:08 <gmaxwell> I'll merge it.
1234 2012-03-17 16:10:50 <denisx> who is compiling the osx version of bitcoin?
1235 2012-03-17 16:11:22 <sipa> gavin
1236 2012-03-17 16:11:33 <gavinandresen> present
1237 2012-03-17 16:11:49 <gavinandresen> oh, yeah, I compile the osx version of bitcoin.
1238 2012-03-17 16:12:45 <denisx> gavinandresen: is there a reason why it is only 32bit?
1239 2012-03-17 16:13:10 <gavinandresen> compiles faster and is a smaller download
1240 2012-03-17 16:13:28 <denisx> gavinandresen: thats all?
1241 2012-03-17 16:13:33 <gavinandresen> yup.
1242 2012-03-17 16:14:27 <gmaxwell> theymos: any idea how to say Swedish in Swedish?
1243 2012-03-17 16:15:03 <gavinandresen> denisx: http://gavintech.blogspot.com/2011/11/deploying-bitcoin-qt-on-osx.html talks about some of the brick walls I banged my head against setting up my build environment
1244 2012-03-17 16:15:05 <sipa> Svenska
1245 2012-03-17 16:16:26 <jrmithdobbs> gavinandresen: if you'd just build a universal binary you wouldn't have had half those problems setting up the build env
1246 2012-03-17 16:17:19 minimoose has joined
1247 2012-03-17 16:17:57 <denisx> gavinandresen: ok, I will take a look
1248 2012-03-17 16:18:14 <gavinandresen> jrmithdobbs: yes, it is easy when you know how. But it was hard to get everything compatible with 32-bit-on-OSX10.5 machines (if I recall, default is to build for the architecture you're running on).
1249 2012-03-17 16:18:15 <jrmithdobbs> gavinandresen: literally just port install <list of deps> +universal; then build ...
1250 2012-03-17 16:18:33 <theymos> gmaxwell: I don't know for sure. Wikipedia says Svenska.
1251 2012-03-17 16:18:44 <jrmithdobbs> gavinandresen: and set CC= to the 10.5 one
1252 2012-03-17 16:18:46 <gavinandresen> ... and there might have been ports that had broken +universal variants (can't recall if that was a problem or not)
1253 2012-03-17 16:19:00 <luke-jr> PowerPC is LE
1254 2012-03-17 16:19:08 <luke-jr> at least for Mac IIRC
1255 2012-03-17 16:19:12 <luke-jr> err
1256 2012-03-17 16:19:13 <luke-jr> BE*
1257 2012-03-17 16:19:14 <Diablo-D3> big
1258 2012-03-17 16:19:15 <jrmithdobbs> gavinandresen: i think zlib stays broken because it wont just build, but i don't think bitcoin depends on it
1259 2012-03-17 16:19:22 <Diablo-D3> powerpc CAN be le, its just rare to find
1260 2012-03-17 16:19:22 <jrmithdobbs> (as universal, i mean)
1261 2012-03-17 16:19:29 <gavinandresen> jrmithdobbs: openssl uses zlib
1262 2012-03-17 16:19:39 <jrmithdobbs> gavinandresen: but you can force it to link against system one
1263 2012-03-17 16:19:42 <jrmithdobbs> to work around that
1264 2012-03-17 16:19:47 <gavinandresen> .... easy when you know how.....
1265 2012-03-17 16:20:23 <gavinandresen> In any case, compiling linking everything 32-bit also worked and has the advantage of faster compiles and smaller downloads.
1266 2012-03-17 16:20:41 <jrmithdobbs> but might be part of some of the weirdness people see with the osx builds
1267 2012-03-17 16:21:26 <gavinandresen> are there issues I don't know about?
1268 2012-03-17 16:21:31 erle- has quit (Quit: erle-)
1269 2012-03-17 16:21:40 <gmaxwell> theymos: "Wikipedia says" caused the blender folks to press a DVD that used an insult in the place of the name of the Català language.
1270 2012-03-17 16:22:51 p0s has joined
1271 2012-03-17 16:24:04 <jrmithdobbs> gavinandresen: i don't know if there's anything outstanding
1272 2012-03-17 16:24:31 <jrmithdobbs> gavinandresen: anyways, since the drop of wx you actually don't need anything out of macports except boost and upnp rest is in base os
1273 2012-03-17 16:24:53 marf_away has joined
1274 2012-03-17 16:25:06 <jrmithdobbs> might make it easier to just use the qt creator binaries and just install boost/upnpc from macports
1275 2012-03-17 16:30:24 <theymos> gmaxwell: lol. Well, Wikipedia and sipa agree, so it's probably right.
1276 2012-03-17 16:30:47 <gmaxwell> theymos: indeed, it's up now.
1277 2012-03-17 16:31:03 <gmaxwell> (and has been since before you responded. :) )
1278 2012-03-17 16:31:23 <denisx> hmm, libz is part of the osx bitcoin package? same with lib crypto (maybe that makes sense because this is very sensitive)
1279 2012-03-17 16:31:33 <jrmithdobbs> gavinandresen: i seem to have got a working binary doing just that, let me see if i can build it on the box that still has a 10.5 sdk on it
1280 2012-03-17 16:32:05 <gavinandresen> jrmithdobbs: be sure to test it on a machine that hasn't had the Developer Tools installed
1281 2012-03-17 16:32:31 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: I don't think you can use LE on Mac PPC
1282 2012-03-17 16:32:51 <Diablo-D3> you cant
1283 2012-03-17 16:32:55 <Diablo-D3> it requires northbridge support
1284 2012-03-17 16:33:44 <gmaxwell> Attn Windows Bitcoin GUI users: There is a potential security hole fixed by 0.5.3.1 / 0.6.0rc4. PLEASE UPGRADE. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=69120.0
1285 2012-03-17 16:33:55 <jrmithdobbs> gavinandresen: i don't have access to a machine that's never had the sdk installed
1286 2012-03-17 16:34:04 <jrmithdobbs> cause osx is worthless without the dev tools, heh
1287 2012-03-17 16:35:26 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: the fun part
1288 2012-03-17 16:35:28 <gavinandresen> mmm. If I had a nickel for every time I got bitten by the "It worked on my dev environment machine...." bug....
1289 2012-03-17 16:35:29 <Diablo-D3> the powerpc rigs that can be le?
1290 2012-03-17 16:35:33 <Diablo-D3> it can be be too
1291 2012-03-17 16:35:37 <gavinandresen> (I'd have about a dollar!)
1292 2012-03-17 16:36:09 <jrmithdobbs> gavinandresen: i have a macbook i can uninstall them on that i'm not using right now (battery's dead), i'll mess around with it
1293 2012-03-17 16:36:25 <luke-jr> I think Lion lets you run VMs now
1294 2012-03-17 16:36:46 <jrmithdobbs> but i don't have access to anything running <10.7 because um, the upgrade is cheap and anything that wont run it isn't worth still owning, heh
1295 2012-03-17 16:36:47 <gavinandresen> jrmithdobbs: cool. The build-on-OSX process is painless for me right now, so improving it isn't high priority.
1296 2012-03-17 16:37:33 <jrmithdobbs> gavinandresen: i'm wondering if 32bit vs 64bit is part of the horrible bdb performence on os x vs the linux builds
1297 2012-03-17 16:37:43 <gavinandresen> benchmark it and see
1298 2012-03-17 16:37:47 <Diablo-D3> erm, it can be both
1299 2012-03-17 16:37:51 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: yes
1300 2012-03-17 16:37:54 <denisx> is very easy to install old osx versions on a usb disk and boot from that
1301 2012-03-17 16:37:56 <Diablo-D3> although the EULA was weird
1302 2012-03-17 16:38:06 <Diablo-D3> the OSX eula didnt stop you from using VMs
1303 2012-03-17 16:38:13 <jrmithdobbs> denisx: requires me finding my media though
1304 2012-03-17 16:38:14 <Diablo-D3> it just wasnt clarified on what that actually meant
1305 2012-03-17 16:38:28 <jrmithdobbs> denisx: i'd do it in fusion, but ya
1306 2012-03-17 16:38:33 <userjgg> gavinandresen: after 0.6 release, what is in your todo list?
1307 2012-03-17 16:38:35 <Diablo-D3> lion clairified it, you can run it in a vm as long as its mac hardware running osx
1308 2012-03-17 16:38:39 <Diablo-D3> jrmithdobbs: fusion is _shit_
1309 2012-03-17 16:38:51 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: fusion is fine for the things i use it for
1310 2012-03-17 16:38:51 <Diablo-D3> that, and vbox on other platforms can run osx too
1311 2012-03-17 16:39:13 <Diablo-D3> (although at that point it doesnt matter, you can just use hackintosh kexts to achieve the same effect)
1312 2012-03-17 16:39:21 <luke-jr> isn't the Linux build also 32-bit?
1313 2012-03-17 16:39:32 <jrmithdobbs> Diablo-D3: i work in a big vmware shop so being able to migrate shit from my laptop to the big clusters is more important than minor gui niceness and licensing penis measuring re: virtualbox/etc
1314 2012-03-17 16:40:09 <Diablo-D3> fuck all the vmwares.
1315 2012-03-17 16:40:25 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: of vbox? fuck no
1316 2012-03-17 16:40:28 <Diablo-D3> its 64
1317 2012-03-17 16:40:31 <luke-jr> of Bitcoin
1318 2012-03-17 16:40:36 <Diablo-D3> oh, no
1319 2012-03-17 16:40:39 <Diablo-D3> has two dirs
1320 2012-03-17 16:40:40 <Diablo-D3> 32 and 64
1321 2012-03-17 16:40:41 <luke-jr> o
1322 2012-03-17 16:41:00 <luke-jr> http://eligius.st/~artefact2/7/1AF6XWfd2PmEUGjhqFQQ8HFMrT3fEtB2wm <-- wtf is this?
1323 2012-03-17 16:41:04 forsetifox has joined
1324 2012-03-17 16:42:13 <Diablo-D3> holytasjtdaekrjar
1325 2012-03-17 16:42:15 <Diablo-D3> DEAR LORD
1326 2012-03-17 16:42:28 <Diablo-D3> OH SHIT
1327 2012-03-17 16:42:29 <Diablo-D3> DUDE
1328 2012-03-17 16:42:34 <Diablo-D3> look at the stale prevblk field
1329 2012-03-17 16:42:38 <Diablo-D3> thats a fpga farm!
1330 2012-03-17 16:43:36 <luke-jr> hmm
1331 2012-03-17 16:44:00 * Diablo-D3 gets a tissue and wipes off his monitor.
1332 2012-03-17 16:44:31 * luke-jr notes his FPGAs are nearly 0% stale now :p
1333 2012-03-17 16:44:56 <Diablo-D3> yeah well it still has that problem
1334 2012-03-17 16:45:13 <gavinandresen> userjgg: the highest priorities are more DoS detection/prevention and multisignature higher-level support (starting with BIP10 support).
1335 2012-03-17 16:45:15 <Diablo-D3> although didnt someone find a way to overwrite the work before it returns so its always going?
1336 2012-03-17 16:45:52 <denisx> I removed libz, libtiff and libjpeg and the client still runs on osx
1337 2012-03-17 16:46:07 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: it wasn't missing. I just don't want to push that patch, to encourage BFL to fix it properly
1338 2012-03-17 16:46:16 <luke-jr> ie, returning results without waiting
1339 2012-03-17 16:46:22 <Diablo-D3> well
1340 2012-03-17 16:46:27 <Diablo-D3> thats more difficult than you think
1341 2012-03-17 16:46:41 <gavinandresen> userjgg: ... but there are plenty of other things on my TODO (quicker initial chain sync for non-miners, optional indexes in the database for high-volume merchants, code cleanup/reorganization....)
1342 2012-03-17 16:47:13 <userjgg> gavinandresen: ok, thanks
1343 2012-03-17 16:47:29 <gavinandresen> denisx: OSX 10.what, and with or without developer tools installed?
1344 2012-03-17 16:48:07 ski_ has joined
1345 2012-03-17 16:48:40 <denisx> gavinandresen: 10.7, yes, with developer tools
1346 2012-03-17 16:49:14 <denisx> but stuff in /usr/lib is not from the developer tools
1347 2012-03-17 16:49:16 <gavinandresen> denisx: baseline is 10.5 without dev tools... if it works on that, then submit a patch or an issue
1348 2012-03-17 16:49:40 <denisx> gavinandresen: ok
1349 2012-03-17 16:49:50 theymos has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1350 2012-03-17 16:50:53 aleod has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
1351 2012-03-17 16:55:59 Diablo-D3 has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1352 2012-03-17 16:56:31 Diablo-D3 has joined
1353 2012-03-17 16:59:15 gavinandresen has quit (Quit: gavinandresen)
1354 2012-03-17 17:10:42 cande has joined
1355 2012-03-17 17:12:01 cande has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1356 2012-03-17 17:16:39 Cablesaurus has joined
1357 2012-03-17 17:16:39 Cablesaurus has quit (Changing host)
1358 2012-03-17 17:16:39 Cablesaurus has joined
1359 2012-03-17 17:19:25 ternit has quit ()
1360 2012-03-17 17:19:36 ternit has joined
1361 2012-03-17 17:23:17 Matso has left ("Lähdössä")
1362 2012-03-17 17:27:59 SphericalCow has joined
1363 2012-03-17 17:33:44 <gmaxwell> Attn Windows Bitcoin GUI users: There is a potential security hole fixed by 0.5.3.1 / 0.6.0rc4. PLEASE UPGRADE. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=69120.0
1364 2012-03-17 17:48:56 zeiris has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
1365 2012-03-17 17:49:35 iocor has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
1366 2012-03-17 17:56:54 dwon has quit (Quit: Leaving)
1367 2012-03-17 18:05:39 cande has joined
1368 2012-03-17 18:07:28 cande has quit (Client Quit)
1369 2012-03-17 18:07:44 cande has joined
1370 2012-03-17 18:14:25 zeiris has joined
1371 2012-03-17 18:33:16 andytoshi has joined
1372 2012-03-17 18:33:44 <gmaxwell> Attn Windows Bitcoin GUI users: There is a potential security hole fixed by 0.5.3.1 / 0.6.0rc4. PLEASE UPGRADE. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=69120.0
1373 2012-03-17 18:36:25 forsetifox has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
1374 2012-03-17 18:36:25 pickett has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1375 2012-03-17 18:36:25 andytoshi has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1376 2012-03-17 18:36:50 larsivi_ has joined
1377 2012-03-17 18:36:53 cuqa has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
1378 2012-03-17 18:38:01 pickett has joined
1379 2012-03-17 18:39:21 cuqa has joined
1380 2012-03-17 18:41:02 larsivi has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1381 2012-03-17 18:42:15 davex__ has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)
1382 2012-03-17 18:42:56 <pingdrive> im on linux do i need to dowload?
1383 2012-03-17 18:43:59 <_Fireball> maybe you need to download Windows first...
1384 2012-03-17 18:44:45 <pingdrive> spare me the bullshit, maybe?
1385 2012-03-17 18:46:23 <Eliel> pingdrive: you want to install bitcoin?
1386 2012-03-17 18:46:50 <pingdrive> i got 0.5.3 now i gotta get 0.5.3.1
1387 2012-03-17 18:47:22 <luke-jr> 0.5.3.1 is Windows
1388 2012-03-17 18:47:23 <Eliel> it only effects windows people, the problem that was fixed in 0.5.3.1
1389 2012-03-17 18:47:45 <Eliel> so 0.5.3 on linux is fine.
1390 2012-03-17 18:48:18 <pingdrive> k dude
1391 2012-03-17 18:53:43 s7r has joined
1392 2012-03-17 18:54:44 <s7r> can anyone explain what is the hashing data generated by mining software used for and who pays for it? Is it use to crack encryption keys and read encrypted data violating privacy of people?
1393 2012-03-17 18:55:34 paraipan has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1394 2012-03-17 18:56:23 paraipan has joined
1395 2012-03-17 18:56:38 larsivi_ is now known as larsivi
1396 2012-03-17 18:57:46 forsetifox has joined
1397 2012-03-17 18:58:39 <luke-jr> s7r: no, it's useless
1398 2012-03-17 18:58:52 <luke-jr> s7r: the bitcoins are created out of thin air
1399 2012-03-17 18:59:21 <s7r> this sounds a bit strange i mean the bitcoins can be converted to real money.. real money can't come out of thin air luke-jr
1400 2012-03-17 18:59:31 <luke-jr> s7r: Bitcoins are real money.
1401 2012-03-17 18:59:45 <luke-jr> s7r: almost all real money comes out of thin air
1402 2012-03-17 19:00:52 <s7r> if it's like this then why we don't create from thin air enough for everybody?
1403 2012-03-17 19:00:54 <s7r> :D
1404 2012-03-17 19:01:04 <SphericalCow> :|
1405 2012-03-17 19:01:08 <luke-jr> s7r: that's what mining is.
1406 2012-03-17 19:01:13 <ternit> http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/06/21/against-the-gold-standard/ *credits to gmaxwell*
1407 2012-03-17 19:02:58 <s7r> mining requires electricity costs, etc. if bitcoins are made out of thin air why not give 100000000000000bitcoins to anyone who joins this channel
1408 2012-03-17 19:03:03 <s7r> because they are made out of thin air
1409 2012-03-17 19:04:00 <forsetifox> I have a purple rock that starts at a net worth of zero dollars. Some people think my purple rock will be worth something in the future so they buy them. The price of the purple rock is now $1.50. The purple rock is now worth 1.50. =P
1410 2012-03-17 19:04:28 <forsetifox> There are also services and goods you can buy with bitcoins.
1411 2012-03-17 19:04:57 <luke-jr> s7r: because they're worthless unless supply is limited
1412 2012-03-17 19:04:58 briggle has joined
1413 2012-03-17 19:05:56 <minjin> that's simply not true
1414 2012-03-17 19:08:00 <s7r> luke-jr i am not saying i am some kind of smart economist or anything and i do not argue with you in fact i respect you but there is no such thing as money out of thin air
1415 2012-03-17 19:08:24 <luke-jr> s7r: so what money do you use that isn't out of thin air?
1416 2012-03-17 19:08:34 <ternit> Your money real value is the paper its made of, but people created vvalue for it
1417 2012-03-17 19:08:47 <s7r> i am not reffering to the paper bill inside my pocket i am referring to its value
1418 2012-03-17 19:09:04 <luke-jr> s7r: it only has value because people say it does.
1419 2012-03-17 19:09:06 <forsetifox> I just told you why bitcoin is worth something.
1420 2012-03-17 19:09:08 <luke-jr> it has no value itself.
1421 2012-03-17 19:09:25 <luke-jr> and it's produced from thin air.
1422 2012-03-17 19:10:00 <s7r> in this case it won't last
1423 2012-03-17 19:10:08 <s7r> then if its produced from thin air ...
1424 2012-03-17 19:10:12 <s7r> why is it mining required?
1425 2012-03-17 19:10:28 <luke-jr> s7r: mining operates the Bitcoin network
1426 2012-03-17 19:10:31 <s7r> why are those hash generated. i think this is some kind of technique to use end users computers to crack encryption keys.
1427 2012-03-17 19:10:51 <luke-jr> s7r: the real work isn't the hashing, it's verifying the transactions
1428 2012-03-17 19:10:51 <denisx> lolz
1429 2012-03-17 19:10:57 <gmaxwell> Lets stop and back up.
1430 2012-03-17 19:10:59 <luke-jr> s7r: the hashing just exists to make it hard to do
1431 2012-03-17 19:11:33 <s7r> so the hashed data produced is just dumped? not used for any purpose?
1432 2012-03-17 19:11:50 <gmaxwell> Mining is the process of extending the bitcoin distributed transaction log called a block chain. The log exists to prevent the double spending of the bitcoin digital cash.
1433 2012-03-17 19:12:03 iocor has joined
1434 2012-03-17 19:12:17 <minjin> mining is also the process of distributing this new currency
1435 2012-03-17 19:12:30 <forsetifox> The bitcoin blockchain is like an elaborate woven cord that doesn't unravel very easilly at all.
1436 2012-03-17 19:12:39 <minjin> when you create a new currency, how do you get it in people's hands?
1437 2012-03-17 19:12:48 <gmaxwell> Because there is no centeral authority to identify the one true authentic transaction log in a way that everyone can agree on bitcoin needs a decenteralized way of identifying the authentic chain.
1438 2012-03-17 19:12:51 <luke-jr> s7r: it's saved, as proof of work
1439 2012-03-17 19:13:06 erle- has joined
1440 2012-03-17 19:13:40 <s7r> luke-jr where is it saved since it's no central authority in this project
1441 2012-03-17 19:13:53 <s7r> i apologize if my questions are a bit odd but i am new to this ..,
1442 2012-03-17 19:13:55 <gmaxwell> Bitcoin solves that problem by making the task of extending the log (chain) computationally hard in a verifyable way. Then everyone agrees to use the chain which has the most sum total work put into it (which is easy to check).
1443 2012-03-17 19:14:02 <luke-jr> s7r: the basic problem is, if someone can create over 50% of the blocks, they can control Bitcoin; by making mining difficult (by requiring hashing), that is prevented
1444 2012-03-17 19:14:16 <luke-jr> s7r: every full Bitcoin node has a copy of the block headers
1445 2012-03-17 19:14:17 <s7r> and i am pretty sure that money comes from people who want to crack encryption keys.. that is why hashing is required for mining
1446 2012-03-17 19:14:30 <luke-jr> s7r: read the code? :P
1447 2012-03-17 19:14:32 <minjin> you're sure?
1448 2012-03-17 19:14:33 <gmaxwell> s7r: This is incorrect.
1449 2012-03-17 19:15:28 <gmaxwell> s7r: First read this, http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/forum/topics/bitcoin-open-source which explains the motivations at 100k feet. Then read http://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf which explains the system at the 50k feet level.
1450 2012-03-17 19:16:25 <gmaxwell> s7r: There is no cracking or encryption involved anywhere in the bitcoin protocol. Bitcoin's proof of work shows that energy was expended committing to the identity of the transaction log, thats it.
1451 2012-03-17 19:16:41 att has joined
1452 2012-03-17 19:16:55 att is now known as att_
1453 2012-03-17 19:17:35 JRWR has quit ()
1454 2012-03-17 19:17:35 <ternit> i just dont get one part: what happens when all the btc are created
1455 2012-03-17 19:17:42 <ternit> who validates the transactions then
1456 2012-03-17 19:17:48 <denisx> still the miner
1457 2012-03-17 19:17:59 <denisx> because they earn the fees then
1458 2012-03-17 19:18:18 <gmaxwell> ternit: There doesn't have to be a "when all the btc are created" moment (though there currently is)
1459 2012-03-17 19:19:01 <gmaxwell> ternit: the subsidy (new coins) halves every 210000 blocks. Even if this process continued forever you'd never have more than 21m coinsâ because 21m is the limit of the geometric series of 50 being halved over and over again.
1460 2012-03-17 19:19:36 <gmaxwell> Though in reality the subsidy does go to zero around the year 2140 because the system can't represent values less than 1e-8 BTC.
1461 2012-03-17 19:19:54 <ternit> so you just add few zeros then
1462 2012-03-17 19:19:57 <ternit> right?
1463 2012-03-17 19:20:36 <gmaxwell> ternit: The users of the system could, yes. Though unless the value of bitcoin increases enormously they won't need to.
1464 2012-03-17 19:21:08 <luke-jr> ternit: it's not actually possible to increase divisibility, short of every user using a new protocol
1465 2012-03-17 19:21:16 <gmaxwell> Doing so would prevent/prolong the decline to zeor subsidty but wouldn't move the supply above 21m.
1466 2012-03-17 19:22:18 <minjin> so we can't go lower than 10 nano without what? what kind of change would be needed? would the old block chain still be compatible?
1467 2012-03-17 19:22:35 <gmaxwell> Sure, the old could be compatible.
1468 2012-03-17 19:22:49 <gmaxwell> What luke-jr says, though its a migration that could happen over a decadeâ for example. E.g. in 2040 people could see that eight digits isn't going to be enough in the future, so they could decide on jan 1st 2050 everyone would switch to a new protocol and chain format that has more divisiblity...
1469 2012-03-17 19:22:52 <luke-jr> minjin: it's known as the hardfork
1470 2012-03-17 19:23:13 <gmaxwell> then spend the next ten years deploying new software that would make the change. When the flag day comes all old stuff would just stop working.
1471 2012-03-17 19:23:30 <gmaxwell> (though hopefully there would be ~none left)
1472 2012-03-17 19:24:58 <minjin> have any hardforks been attempted so far?
1473 2012-03-17 19:25:42 <gmaxwell> To bitcoin? kindaâ the correction for the overflow bug, for example.
1474 2012-03-17 19:26:00 <gmaxwell> minjin: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Incidents#Value_overflow
1475 2012-03-17 19:26:45 <minjin> I wonder how long that other chain existed
1476 2012-03-17 19:26:58 <gmaxwell> But not really, because old nodes were willing to move onto the fixed chain.
1477 2012-03-17 19:27:07 luke-jr has quit (otg!~luke-jr@2001:470:5:265:222:4dff:fe50:4c49|Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1478 2012-03-17 19:27:09 <ternit> Was that when the value droped to 0.1 cent?
1479 2012-03-17 19:27:10 <gmaxwell> A real hardfork doesn't have that property, and we've never had one of thoes.
1480 2012-03-17 19:27:19 Cablesaurus has quit (Quit: Man who run behind car get exhausted)
1481 2012-03-17 19:27:33 <ternit> or 1 cent*
1482 2012-03-17 19:27:47 <gmaxwell> ternit: No. That didn't have any effect on the trading price. You're confusing mtgox's internal database screwups with bitcoin.
1483 2012-03-17 19:27:59 luke-jr has quit (Excess Flood)
1484 2012-03-17 19:28:16 luke-jr has joined
1485 2012-03-17 19:28:17 <ternit> ah
1486 2012-03-17 19:28:19 <ternit> thx
1487 2012-03-17 19:28:19 luke-jr has joined
1488 2012-03-17 19:29:23 <minjin> I almost think we should try a hardfork somewhat early to try to figure out the best way to do it...so we have a better idea about best practices for when it is truly needed
1489 2012-03-17 19:29:37 <luke-jr> minjin: too late
1490 2012-03-17 19:29:56 <luke-jr> minjin: 1) it's not somewhat early anymore, and 2) we just did
1491 2012-03-17 19:30:04 <minjin> hmm
1492 2012-03-17 19:30:12 <gmaxwell> minjin: you can try thing out seperately from bitcoin.. but because any hardfork is amazingly disruptive you won't convince people to do one without a a DAMN good reason.
1493 2012-03-17 19:30:13 <luke-jr> compatibility with all 0.2.x clients was dropped this past Feb
1494 2012-03-17 19:30:37 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: oh there you go.. though that wasn't a change to blockchain rules.
1495 2012-03-17 19:30:45 <minjin> and did anyone track that to see how it went? how long the other chain stuck around?
1496 2012-03-17 19:30:46 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: no, but same kind of impact
1497 2012-03-17 19:31:07 <luke-jr> minjin: there weren't any 0.2.x clients anymore I think
1498 2012-03-17 19:31:16 <luke-jr> minjin: it was a 2 year period
1499 2012-03-17 19:31:20 <gmaxwell> minjin: there was no other chain as far as anyone can tell... none of those old nodes were mining with enough hash power to even make a block.
1500 2012-03-17 19:31:29 <gmaxwell> (if any existed at all)
1501 2012-03-17 19:31:49 <gmaxwell> MagicalTux insisted some existed, but I think people are just confusing him with version number games.
1502 2012-03-17 19:33:10 minjin_ has joined
1503 2012-03-17 19:33:17 denisx has quit (Quit: denisx)
1504 2012-03-17 19:33:44 <gmaxwell> Attn Windows Bitcoin GUI users: There is a potential security hole fixed by 0.5.3.1 / 0.6.0rc4. PLEASE UPGRADE. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=69120.0
1505 2012-03-17 19:34:35 kish has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1506 2012-03-17 19:35:10 minjin has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
1507 2012-03-17 19:35:24 <k9quaint> gmaxwell: can't you just patch it by installing Linux?
1508 2012-03-17 19:36:53 kish has joined
1509 2012-03-17 19:38:47 <gmaxwell> k9quaint: indeed.
1510 2012-03-17 19:40:38 <k9quaint> I saw "in Windows" and stopped reading about it
1511 2012-03-17 19:41:15 s7r has left ()
1512 2012-03-17 19:42:35 SphericalCow has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1513 2012-03-17 19:55:10 SphericalCow has joined
1514 2012-03-17 19:56:57 specular has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
1515 2012-03-17 19:59:42 Transformer has joined
1516 2012-03-17 20:00:44 Transformer has quit (Excess Flood)
1517 2012-03-17 20:01:19 <egecko> anyone know why this request to bitcoind would result in a Not Found? {"jsonrpc":"1.0","id":"1","method":"sendfrom","params":["test","XXXX_validaddress_XXXX",3.1415700912475586,1,"",""]}
1518 2012-03-17 20:08:56 blishchrot has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
1519 2012-03-17 20:08:57 <freewil> does the account "test" exist?
1520 2012-03-17 20:09:48 <freewil> egecko, ^
1521 2012-03-17 20:10:44 JRWR has joined
1522 2012-03-17 20:14:53 dwon has joined
1523 2012-03-17 20:15:55 aleod has joined
1524 2012-03-17 20:19:06 Ahimoth has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1525 2012-03-17 20:26:21 dvide has quit ()
1526 2012-03-17 20:29:01 Ahimoth has joined
1527 2012-03-17 20:29:01 Ahimoth has quit (Changing host)
1528 2012-03-17 20:29:01 Ahimoth has joined
1529 2012-03-17 20:33:44 <gmaxwell> Attn Windows Bitcoin GUI users: There is a potential security hole fixed by 0.5.3.1 / 0.6.0rc4. PLEASE UPGRADE. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=69120.0
1530 2012-03-17 20:37:25 genjix has joined
1531 2012-03-17 20:37:33 <genjix> ;;seen theymos
1532 2012-03-17 20:37:34 <gribble> theymos was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 4 hours, 7 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: <theymos> gmaxwell: lol. Well, Wikipedia and sipa agree, so it's probably right.
1533 2012-03-17 20:37:37 genjix has left ()
1534 2012-03-17 20:42:12 RazielZ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1535 2012-03-17 20:43:32 barmstrong has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1536 2012-03-17 20:45:28 molecular has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
1537 2012-03-17 20:46:00 molecular has joined
1538 2012-03-17 21:00:48 barmstrong has joined
1539 2012-03-17 21:02:59 _Fireball has quit (Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The alternative IRC client)
1540 2012-03-17 21:05:07 sgstair has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1541 2012-03-17 21:05:27 sgstair has joined
1542 2012-03-17 21:09:30 pusle has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1543 2012-03-17 21:16:24 <copumpkin> what kind of a crash is the windows crash that the critical fix is for?
1544 2012-03-17 21:18:13 <luke-jr> copumpkin: who said it has anything to do with a crash? O.o
1545 2012-03-17 21:18:23 <copumpkin> http://bitcoin.org/critfix
1546 2012-03-17 21:18:31 <copumpkin> "Due to the nature of the vulnerability, we believe it would be very difficult for an attacker to do anything more than crash the Bitcoin-Qt process."
1547 2012-03-17 21:18:43 <gmaxwell> ::nods::
1548 2012-03-17 21:18:47 <luke-jr> copumpkin: well, that's if someone is attacking
1549 2012-03-17 21:18:49 <copumpkin> I know several people whose ears perked up the moment it said "it's just a crash"
1550 2012-03-17 21:18:52 <luke-jr> then they can make it crash
1551 2012-03-17 21:18:53 <copumpkin> so I was curious
1552 2012-03-17 21:18:58 <luke-jr> lol
1553 2012-03-17 21:19:04 <luke-jr> well, semi-true
1554 2012-03-17 21:19:12 <gmaxwell> copumpkin: we're not making detailed statement about the nature of the issue at the moment.
1555 2012-03-17 21:19:12 <luke-jr> but every crash has a reason
1556 2012-03-17 21:19:13 <copumpkin> "just a crash" is very often the famous last words :P
1557 2012-03-17 21:19:16 <copumpkin> fair enough :)
1558 2012-03-17 21:19:37 <gmaxwell> copumpkin: It does not say "just a crash".
1559 2012-03-17 21:19:38 <copumpkin> gmaxwell: does the fix release contain a bunch of other new code as well?
1560 2012-03-17 21:19:50 <luke-jr> copumpkin: yes
1561 2012-03-17 21:19:54 <copumpkin> gmaxwell: I know, but that appears to be the gist of it :)
1562 2012-03-17 21:19:57 <copumpkin> luke-jr: ah, that's good then
1563 2012-03-17 21:20:05 <copumpkin> makes it much harder to diff :P
1564 2012-03-17 21:21:08 <freewil> i cant wait to see the source diff where the new rev has been run through some c++ source minimizer and all the vars have been reduced to single chars :)
1565 2012-03-17 21:22:25 <luke-jr> O.o
1566 2012-03-17 21:23:45 denisx has joined
1567 2012-03-17 21:24:43 <copumpkin> oh, nevermind, it's fairly easy to find out what was wrong
1568 2012-03-17 21:25:48 <gmaxwell> copumpkin: or so you think, but please hush up.
1569 2012-03-17 21:25:48 copumpkin is now known as Soon
1570 2012-03-17 21:26:04 Soon is now known as copumpkin
1571 2012-03-17 21:26:25 <copumpkin> alright
1572 2012-03-17 21:26:39 t7 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1573 2012-03-17 21:27:26 <freewil> im curious as to how other open source projects have handled major security issues like this as far as releasing the new source code
1574 2012-03-17 21:28:45 <gmaxwell> The source code is released as 0.6rc4.
1575 2012-03-17 21:29:31 <freewil> oh, so you guys just arent saying what the problem is
1576 2012-03-17 21:30:12 <gmaxwell> Yes, well, the fix is also mixed in with a bunch of other stuff which is potentially misdirecting.
1577 2012-03-17 21:30:28 <gmaxwell> But you can audit the codeâ I sure as hell wouldn't run bitcoin code I couldn't audit.
1578 2012-03-17 21:31:16 <gmaxwell> freewil: no doubt smart people can figure out what the issue probably isâ of course, they might guess wrong and waste a bunch of time trying to make an exploit for something that isn't the issue... and that wasted time gives people a better chance to upgrade.
1579 2012-03-17 21:31:20 iocor has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
1580 2012-03-17 21:31:50 JRWR has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1581 2012-03-17 21:33:44 <gmaxwell> Attn Windows Bitcoin GUI users: There is a potential security hole fixed by 0.5.3.1 / 0.6.0rc4. PLEASE UPGRADE. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=69120.0
1582 2012-03-17 21:42:28 SphericalCow has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
1583 2012-03-17 21:42:29 <OneFixt> gmaxwell: do you know the maximum number of outputs that a coinbase tx can have?
1584 2012-03-17 21:42:39 FaktioNN has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
1585 2012-03-17 21:44:36 phantomfakeBNC has joined
1586 2012-03-17 21:44:49 phantomfakeBNC has quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
1587 2012-03-17 21:48:28 h4ckm3 has quit (Quit: changing servers)
1588 2012-03-17 21:48:56 p0s has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1589 2012-03-17 21:49:14 h4ckm3 has joined
1590 2012-03-17 21:51:59 phantomfakeBNC has joined
1591 2012-03-17 21:54:25 iocor has joined
1592 2012-03-17 21:54:33 OneFixt has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1593 2012-03-17 21:55:22 OneFixt has joined
1594 2012-03-17 21:59:56 h4ckm3 has quit (Quit: changing servers)
1595 2012-03-17 22:01:25 h4ckm3 has joined
1596 2012-03-17 22:01:50 dwon has quit (Quit: got hit by a bus error)
1597 2012-03-17 22:04:26 erle- has quit (Quit: erle-)
1598 2012-03-17 22:15:44 SphericalCow has joined
1599 2012-03-17 22:16:02 SphericalCow has quit (Changing host)
1600 2012-03-17 22:16:02 SphericalCow has joined
1601 2012-03-17 22:16:47 minimoose has quit (Quit: minimoose)
1602 2012-03-17 22:24:08 Turingi has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1603 2012-03-17 22:24:25 <luke-jr> devrandom: is there a reason gitian copies the VM image rather than making a new one with a backing image?
1604 2012-03-17 22:28:53 datagutt has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
1605 2012-03-17 22:29:41 datagutt has joined
1606 2012-03-17 22:31:07 JRWR has joined
1607 2012-03-17 22:32:23 minimoose has joined
1608 2012-03-17 22:33:44 <gmaxwell> Attn Windows Bitcoin GUI users: There is a potential security hole fixed by 0.5.3.1 / 0.6.0rc4. PLEASE UPGRADE. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=69120.0
1609 2012-03-17 22:34:28 riush has quit (Quit: reboot)
1610 2012-03-17 22:37:44 riush has joined
1611 2012-03-17 22:37:44 riush has quit (Changing host)
1612 2012-03-17 22:37:44 riush has joined
1613 2012-03-17 22:38:31 Cablesaurus has joined
1614 2012-03-17 22:38:31 Cablesaurus has quit (Changing host)
1615 2012-03-17 22:38:31 Cablesaurus has joined
1616 2012-03-17 22:45:48 ThomasV has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
1617 2012-03-17 22:48:59 briggle has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1618 2012-03-17 22:50:22 Cablesaurus has quit (Quit: A day without sunshine is like .... night)
1619 2012-03-17 22:51:51 denisx has quit (Quit: denisx)
1620 2012-03-17 22:53:31 gfinn has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
1621 2012-03-17 22:54:12 cosurgi has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1622 2012-03-17 22:54:48 cosurgi has joined
1623 2012-03-17 22:58:48 DBordello has joined
1624 2012-03-17 22:59:19 <DBordello> I am having issues with 0.60r2. Today I am unable to use it. It starts, however the GUI is unresponsive immediately. However, I think that it is still working in the background.
1625 2012-03-17 23:00:20 <DBordello> Since I restarted it a couple of yours later and the balance was updated
1626 2012-03-17 23:00:24 <DBordello> hours*
1627 2012-03-17 23:00:45 <freewil> did you take a look at the debug.log file
1628 2012-03-17 23:01:13 <DBordello> Nothing obviously wrong
1629 2012-03-17 23:01:17 <Eliel> DBordello: we're up to rc4 already.
1630 2012-03-17 23:01:33 <DBordello> Eliel, i skimmed the forum, I didn't see that, let me try it
1631 2012-03-17 23:01:35 <DBordello> http://imgur.com/FgzOp
1632 2012-03-17 23:02:03 <DBordello> What github project are the binaries stored at?
1633 2012-03-17 23:02:16 <forsetifox> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=69120.0
1634 2012-03-17 23:02:21 <Eliel> http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/bitcoin-0.6.0/test/
1635 2012-03-17 23:02:47 <DBordello> got it, thanks
1636 2012-03-17 23:04:24 <DBordello> same behavoiur with 0.60rc4 AND, when I start it complains about the wallet.dat requiring a newer version of bitcoin
1637 2012-03-17 23:05:29 gfinn has joined
1638 2012-03-17 23:06:01 Z0rZ0rZ0r has joined
1639 2012-03-17 23:06:24 <Eliel> looks like what I can help with ends here.
1640 2012-03-17 23:07:27 Z0rZ0rZ0r1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1641 2012-03-17 23:08:24 ternit has quit ()
1642 2012-03-17 23:12:51 Cablesaurus has joined
1643 2012-03-17 23:12:51 Cablesaurus has quit (Changing host)
1644 2012-03-17 23:12:51 Cablesaurus has joined
1645 2012-03-17 23:23:38 JRWR has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
1646 2012-03-17 23:25:50 chao has joined
1647 2012-03-17 23:26:17 JRWR has joined
1648 2012-03-17 23:29:55 blumenkraft has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
1649 2012-03-17 23:31:07 <luke-jr> anyone can reach BlueMatt?
1650 2012-03-17 23:32:00 JRWR has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1651 2012-03-17 23:32:14 SphericalCow has quit (Quit: Leaving)
1652 2012-03-17 23:33:00 <luke-jr> wumpus: you there?
1653 2012-03-17 23:33:44 <gmaxwell> Attn Windows Bitcoin GUI users: There is a potential security hole fixed by 0.5.3.1 / 0.6.0rc4. PLEASE UPGRADE. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=69120.0
1654 2012-03-17 23:39:40 Internet13 has quit (Quit: Leaving)
1655 2012-03-17 23:45:46 bitvampire has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1656 2012-03-17 23:46:31 bitvampire has joined
1657 2012-03-17 23:47:05 Internet13 has joined
1658 2012-03-17 23:54:09 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: yea, sorry Im back now
1659 2012-03-17 23:57:50 OneFixt_ has joined