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 52 2012-03-26 04:03:39 <luke-jr> https://github.com/luke-jr/bitcoin/compare/customfee <-- any comments?
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 65 2012-03-26 04:57:46 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: NACK for the same reason all the similar stuff has been nack'd for the past year or more
 66 2012-03-26 04:58:25 <BlueMatt> (I even wrote the same patch a long time ago for wx-gui, when I still didnt really understand bitcoin all the way...)
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 68 2012-03-26 05:03:00 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: I haven't seen any similar stuff, and presumably neither have the people offering the bounty
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 71 2012-03-26 05:19:06 <BlueMatt> luke-jr well then their google-fu sucks
 72 2012-03-26 05:19:26 <luke-jr> so why NACK?
 73 2012-03-26 05:19:33 <BlueMatt> (And are idiots thinking that just changing the minfee does anything)
 74 2012-03-26 05:19:42 <luke-jr> …
 75 2012-03-26 05:19:53 * luke-jr is wondering if you even read it :P
 76 2012-03-26 05:20:11 <BlueMatt> I didnt...
 77 2012-03-26 05:20:28 <luke-jr> it's the miner side.
 78 2012-03-26 05:20:48 <BlueMatt> Ah, well then that is interesting
 79 2012-03-26 05:21:28 <BlueMatt> But just setting minfee is also a nack
 80 2012-03-26 05:21:44 <luke-jr> …
 81 2012-03-26 05:21:54 <BlueMatt> And just as strong of one
 82 2012-03-26 05:22:43 <luke-jr> thankfully, not all devs are so insistent on forced centralization :p
 83 2012-03-26 05:22:49 <BlueMatt> That isnt how txfees are "supposed" to be done
 84 2012-03-26 05:22:56 <BlueMatt> Noooo
 85 2012-03-26 05:23:10 <BlueMatt> I dont think the current minfee rules are good
 86 2012-03-26 05:23:15 <BlueMatt> Quite the opposite
 87 2012-03-26 05:23:42 <BlueMatt> The reason i hate it when people write fee patches (like that one) without thinking
 88 2012-03-26 05:23:53 <BlueMatt> Is because you arent thinking...
 89 2012-03-26 05:24:20 <BlueMatt> The fee system needs redone in some way that is sane
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 91 2012-03-26 05:24:41 <BlueMatt> NOT blindly accepting a different minfee or minfeeper setting
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 93 2012-03-26 05:25:13 <BlueMatt> That is rediculous and just highly encourages miners to pursue the downward fee spiral
 94 2012-03-26 05:26:54 <luke-jr> upward*
 95 2012-03-26 05:27:03 <BlueMatt> Hah wat?
 96 2012-03-26 05:27:14 <BlueMatt> What are you smoking?
 97 2012-03-26 05:27:41 <luke-jr> the implementation requested only supports upward fee changes
 98 2012-03-26 05:28:08 <luke-jr> max(vanilla-rules, custom-rules)
 99 2012-03-26 05:28:24 <BlueMatt> Mmm, well i suppose that isnt as objectionable
100 2012-03-26 05:28:43 <BlueMatt> Though the miners who requested it are kinda dumb...
101 2012-03-26 05:29:49 <BlueMatt> s/kinda/really/
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105 2012-03-26 05:31:53 <BlueMatt> Link to the bount?
106 2012-03-26 05:31:57 <BlueMatt> Y
107 2012-03-26 05:32:39 <luke-jr> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=73941.0
108 2012-03-26 05:34:17 <BlueMatt> Wait, luke-jr does eligius take txfees as pool fee or are they distributed?
109 2012-03-26 05:34:38 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: they're basically ignored right now
110 2012-03-26 05:34:48 <BlueMatt> ???
111 2012-03-26 05:34:55 <BlueMatt> You mean dropped?
112 2012-03-26 05:34:57 <luke-jr> I need to rework the code before that 25 BTC drop
113 2012-03-26 05:35:18 <BlueMatt> You always generate 50 and drop fees?
114 2012-03-26 05:35:21 <luke-jr> no, the fee processor uses them for payouts still
115 2012-03-26 05:35:35 <luke-jr> but the whole reward calculation just assumes 50 BTC flat
116 2012-03-26 05:36:01 <luke-jr> s/fee processor/payout processor/
117 2012-03-26 05:36:12 <BlueMatt> so...they go to you?
118 2012-03-26 05:36:29 <BlueMatt> or what, in some cases they are lost? Im confused...
119 2012-03-26 05:36:57 <luke-jr> they go somewhere eventually, when I bother to account for them
120 2012-03-26 05:37:16 <luke-jr> srsly not worth the effort right now
121 2012-03-26 05:37:22 <BlueMatt> oh, so they are in a holding account?
122 2012-03-26 05:37:39 <luke-jr> they're not destroyed.
123 2012-03-26 05:37:51 <BlueMatt> so they just sit in a holding account to be paid out eventually?
124 2012-03-26 05:38:06 <luke-jr> there's not really a 1:1 link between mined blocks and payouts
125 2012-03-26 05:38:16 <BlueMatt> yea
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127 2012-03-26 05:38:39 <BlueMatt> I thought you had a holding account to hold coins over from one block to the next depending on...I dont remember what
128 2012-03-26 05:39:11 <BlueMatt> hmm, interesting idea, as long as 50btc makes up a >> % of eligius payouts than the txes, forcing the pool to not include low-fee txes doesnt really hurt individual miners (much) but increases minfee...
129 2012-03-26 05:39:14 <BlueMatt> interesting idea...
130 2012-03-26 05:39:32 <BlueMatt> that guy kinda solved the downward fee spiral issue...
131 2012-03-26 05:39:44 <BlueMatt> well until we get to low payouts
132 2012-03-26 05:39:52 <BlueMatt> which is when the fee issue actually matters anyway...
133 2012-03-26 05:39:59 <BlueMatt> but interesting idea nonetheless
134 2012-03-26 05:40:05 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: there's an overflow address when the payout code doesn't have enough to pay immediately, but I often mix it into my offline storage until needed
135 2012-03-26 05:42:05 <luke-jr> someday I'll need to search the blockchain for total Eligius txn fees and deal with it :P
136 2012-03-26 05:42:18 <luke-jr> but no rush since the info's always there
137 2012-03-26 05:46:28 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: fair enough I suppose
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139 2012-03-26 05:52:24 <BlueMatt> anyway, Im off; still wondering why that guy wants to exclude more fee-holding txes, but whatever...
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141 2012-03-26 05:53:28 <luke-jr> presumably to provide incentive for more people to pay optionally higher fees for faster processing
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145 2012-03-26 05:54:06 <luke-jr> possibly in hopes of staggering the 25 BTC subsidy crash
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167 2012-03-26 07:26:51 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: Diapolo opened pull request 988 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/988>
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277 2012-03-26 14:40:56 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: luke-jr opened pull request 989 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/989>
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285 2012-03-26 14:56:07 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: sipa opened pull request 990 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/990>
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287 2012-03-26 14:59:16 <bluemoon23> has anyone had any sucess mining btc
288 2012-03-26 14:59:25 <sipa> see #bitcoin-mining
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296 2012-03-26 15:08:06 <gavinandresen> sipa:  I'm going through the issues list this morning, marking any remaining 0.6.0 issues with the 0.6.0 milestone
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300 2012-03-26 15:15:52 <luke-jr> sipa: gpg: [stdin]: encryption failed: Unusable public key
301 2012-03-26 15:16:05 <sipa> luke-jr: ?
302 2012-03-26 15:16:18 <luke-jr> sipa: GPG doesn't like your pubkey :P
303 2012-03-26 15:16:24 <luke-jr> trying to encrypt my testnet dir to you
304 2012-03-26 15:16:31 <sipa> 1DAAC974 ?
305 2012-03-26 15:17:05 <luke-jr> yeah
306 2012-03-26 15:17:11 <SomeoneWeird> lol
307 2012-03-26 15:17:13 <luke-jr> aha
308 2012-03-26 15:17:17 <luke-jr> I didn't have your subkey
309 2012-03-26 15:17:21 <luke-jr> let's try again
310 2012-03-26 15:17:43 <luke-jr> there we go
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313 2012-03-26 15:26:37 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen wait, you want to disable uris in win32 for 0.6????
314 2012-03-26 15:26:45 <gavinandresen> yes
315 2012-03-26 15:27:16 <BlueMatt> The issues are fixed...
316 2012-03-26 15:27:58 <gavinandresen> I don't like the fixes-- patching boost, complicated looking code that retries stuff.....
317 2012-03-26 15:28:03 <BlueMatt> Plus we need an exorberent amount of time in rc5 thanks to all the changes anyway...
318 2012-03-26 15:28:29 <gavinandresen> So lets add Even More Stuff that might go wrong???
319 2012-03-26 15:29:08 <sipa> First of all, let's add more punctuation!!!
320 2012-03-26 15:29:20 <BlueMatt> Its a dead simple patch to boost to fix a documented
321 2012-03-26 15:29:29 <BlueMatt> Bug
322 2012-03-26 15:29:49 <BlueMatt> Also my irc client is freezing every two seconds...have to talk later
323 2012-03-26 15:30:25 <gavinandresen> ok.  I'm working on a couple of patches now, one that fixes the installer so it removes the old bitcoin.exe
324 2012-03-26 15:30:48 <gavinandresen> And another that will disable URI handling in the source and in the setup.nsi
325 2012-03-26 15:32:51 <sipa> I think we need an rc5 quickly; rc4 has a bug (my fault) that makes it fail some reorganizations, and p2pool are required to upgrade to a BIP16-enabled bitcoind soon.
326 2012-03-26 15:33:17 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: maybe a good compromise would be to disable URI handling in 0.6.0, with the understanding that we backport the fix to 0.6.1 when it's in master?
327 2012-03-26 15:33:31 <luke-jr> ie, re-enable it when fixed
328 2012-03-26 15:33:47 <luke-jr> sipa: there's 0.5.4rc1 for p2pool too
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330 2012-03-26 15:34:10 <sipa> right
331 2012-03-26 15:34:49 <gavinandresen> yes, we need rc5 today
332 2012-03-26 15:34:56 <sipa> luke-jr: did you backport minimize impact of large reorgs?
333 2012-03-26 15:35:32 <luke-jr> sipa: not yet
334 2012-03-26 15:35:57 <luke-jr> sipa: it didn't seem urgent, and possibly bug-prone
335 2012-03-26 15:36:19 <sipa> it turned out to be so, indeed
336 2012-03-26 15:36:50 <luke-jr> ETA 2 mins on my testnet upload encrypted to Gavin and Sipa
337 2012-03-26 15:36:59 <luke-jr> it's about 42 MB
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342 2012-03-26 15:52:18 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: sipa: http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/code/testnet.tbz2.pgp
343 2012-03-26 15:52:51 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: what is that?
344 2012-03-26 15:53:50 <gavinandresen> or, more specifically, why are you giving me the contents of your testnet directory?
345 2012-03-26 15:54:14 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: to reproduce the addr.dat lockup
346 2012-03-26 15:54:31 <gavinandresen> ah, ok, great.
347 2012-03-26 15:55:25 h4ckm3 is now known as h4ck3d
348 2012-03-26 15:55:35 h4ck3d is now known as h4ckm3
349 2012-03-26 15:56:34 <luke-jr> oops. hope I didn't break your dl
350 2012-03-26 16:04:57 <sipa> luke-jr: got it
351 2012-03-26 16:05:44 <gavinandresen> somebody remind me how to tell qt to build a -g Makefile?
352 2012-03-26 16:05:52 <luke-jr> qmake CONFIG+=debug
353 2012-03-26 16:06:08 <gavinandresen> thanks (was doing config+=DEBUG ....)
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355 2012-03-26 16:11:44 <luke-jr> sipa: gavinandresen: either of you can confirm the whole dir reproduces it for you?
356 2012-03-26 16:11:54 <sipa> it reproduces the problem indeed, here
357 2012-03-26 16:12:13 <luke-jr> k
358 2012-03-26 16:13:07 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: I downloaded it, but am busy testing a disable-uri-handling-on-windows patch
359 2012-03-26 16:13:41 <luke-jr> well, it works for sipa. I just wanted to be sure there wasn't some oddball external factor involved
360 2012-03-26 16:14:54 <sipa> it's quite a problem, if a single thread can cause a deadlock :S
361 2012-03-26 16:15:15 <gavinandresen> I think there's a bdb setting to debug deadlock issues
362 2012-03-26 16:27:32 BTC_Bear is now known as BTC_Bear|hbrntng
363 2012-03-26 16:28:00 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: gavinandresen opened pull request 991 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/991>
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368 2012-03-26 16:48:25 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: gavinandresen opened pull request 992 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/992>
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373 2012-03-26 16:58:37 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: gavinandresen opened issue 993 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/993>
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378 2012-03-26 17:12:22 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/991#issuecomment-4698782
379 2012-03-26 17:14:01 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: doing config += DEBUG slows down bitcoin-qt due to the linking of qt debug libraries
380 2012-03-26 17:14:23 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: best way: CXXFLAGS += -g and if you are on win32, add a LDFLAGS -= -Wl,-s
381 2012-03-26 17:16:08 <sipa> i really don't understand #982
382 2012-03-26 17:16:35 <sipa> i've managed to make the entire database environnement to shut down between loading the file, and rewriting it
383 2012-03-26 17:16:45 <sipa> but now it blocks on reopening the database env
384 2012-03-26 17:16:57 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt: thanks (although I don't really care if bitcoin-qt is slower....)
385 2012-03-26 17:17:04 <sipa> oh no, it segfaulted
386 2012-03-26 17:17:24 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: well it killed me...(that was the reason I thought CBlockStore had really odd performance issues for months...)
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389 2012-03-26 17:25:22 <sipa> i give up
390 2012-03-26 17:25:58 <sipa> close the entire db env before rewriting the file, and still, when it tries to write its first non-ignored entry, it deadlocks
391 2012-03-26 17:26:08 <sipa> valgrind sees no problem at all
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393 2012-03-26 17:28:59 <sipa> i don't understand how bdb can correctly call pthread_cond_wait if there is only a single thread alive
394 2012-03-26 17:29:11 <sipa> that's a guaranteed deadlock
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396 2012-03-26 17:30:46 <luke-jr> :/
397 2012-03-26 17:31:07 <BlueMatt> yay, lets rewrite bdb too ;)
398 2012-03-26 17:31:27 supson has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
399 2012-03-26 17:31:44 <gmaxwell> By rewrite you mean ... avoid using, right?
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401 2012-03-26 17:32:10 <BlueMatt> well, that too
402 2012-03-26 17:32:56 <sipa> actually, addrman just serializes its entire database (it's guaranteed to be max 1.5 MiB) and dumps it into a single bdb entry
403 2012-03-26 17:33:10 <sipa> you don't actually need bdb there anymore
404 2012-03-26 17:33:24 <BlueMatt> hah, nice
405 2012-03-26 17:33:49 <sipa> though i preferred to keep it, since it gives recovery in case of crash; otherwise you'd need to deal with partial overwrites and such
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407 2012-03-26 17:36:52 <sipa> i really don't know what to do here anymore: just not overwrite addr.dat at all, and leave all old addr entries there?
408 2012-03-26 17:37:14 <sipa> or maybe again try to get bdb to actually delete all those entries
409 2012-03-26 17:37:27 <BlueMatt> does bdb get mad trying to delete that many entries?
410 2012-03-26 17:38:07 <sipa> then again: if rewriting has this potential effect, it could have the same problem for wallet.dat
411 2012-03-26 17:38:57 <BlueMatt> odd that we've never (I think?) seen it though...
412 2012-03-26 17:42:33 <BlueMatt> sipa: is christiansen a common danish name?
413 2012-03-26 17:42:55 <BlueMatt> or do you know many danish people?
414 2012-03-26 17:43:41 <sipa> i know one danish person, and his name is christiansen
415 2012-03-26 17:43:53 <sipa> oh no, christian andersen
416 2012-03-26 17:44:02 <BlueMatt> well, nevermind then...
417 2012-03-26 17:44:07 <sipa> why?
418 2012-03-26 17:44:16 <BlueMatt> kinda random, someone was saying it was a common danish name
419 2012-03-26 17:44:25 <BlueMatt> I thought Id ask someone who was geographicaly closer...
420 2012-03-26 17:44:55 <sipa> well, the -sen is like -son in English, it means "son of", and Christian is certainly a danish name
421 2012-03-26 17:45:20 <BlueMatt> well, thanks
422 2012-03-26 17:45:57 <lyspooner> tribeca, eh gavinandresen?
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424 2012-03-26 17:48:11 <gavinandresen> lyspooner: yup.  Sounded like it'll be fun.    (is there a link up to the event somewhere?)
425 2012-03-26 17:48:28 <lyspooner> http://www.indiewire.com/article/susan-sarandon-shepard-fairey-rob-lowe-will-participate-in-2012-tribeca-talks
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427 2012-03-26 17:49:43 <gavinandresen> cool, I'll get to meet Ally Sheedy!
428 2012-03-26 17:50:08 <BlueMatt> ooo, youre going to tribeca?
429 2012-03-26 17:50:32 <gavinandresen> yup.  They're showing War Games and then having a panel discussion
430 2012-03-26 17:50:37 <BlueMatt> heh, nice
431 2012-03-26 17:51:04 <Joric> 1983 War Games?
432 2012-03-26 17:51:15 <lyspooner> Hello Joshua
433 2012-03-26 17:51:47 <gmaxwell> the SMBC remix of the ending was pretty funny.
434 2012-03-26 17:51:49 <Joric> i love password joshua5
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436 2012-03-26 17:52:10 <gmaxwell> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFCOapq3uYY
437 2012-03-26 17:52:16 <lyspooner> "the only way to win is to have 51% of hashing power"?
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440 2012-03-26 18:18:49 <sipa> luke-jr: my deladdr branch should fix your issue
441 2012-03-26 18:22:02 <sipa> luke-jr: actually no, it doesn't compile
442 2012-03-26 18:23:53 <sipa> there, better
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445 2012-03-26 18:28:21 <diki> you know
446 2012-03-26 18:28:28 <diki> the PCRE library is so fun to compile
447 2012-03-26 18:28:45 <diki> because it neednt anything special to make it compile
448 2012-03-26 18:28:53 <diki> it works right out of the box with no third party libs required
449 2012-03-26 18:29:06 <diki> compiles PERFECTLY on windows, even has static and shared libs
450 2012-03-26 18:29:20 <diki> and one can succesfully statically link without a hiccup
451 2012-03-26 18:29:29 <sipa> wonderful
452 2012-03-26 18:30:31 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: sipa opened pull request 994 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/994>
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457 2012-03-26 18:47:54 <gavinandresen> away for an hour or so; when I'm back (or before if sipa/gmaxwell feel like pulling) I think the rc5 plan should be pull 991/992/994, tag and build (unless I'm forgetting any showstopper issues)
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459 2012-03-26 18:51:33 <BlueMatt> sipa/gmaxwell care to comment on #991?
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467 2012-03-26 19:09:48 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: "bleh"
468 2012-03-26 19:10:33 <gmaxwell> I agree the feature is at least mildly important, but I didn't like the boost::interprocess stuff to begin with either.
469 2012-03-26 19:10:53 <wumpus> what's so bad about the boost::interprocess stuff really?
470 2012-03-26 19:11:11 <wumpus> I agree we shouldn't be fixing boost issues but...
471 2012-03-26 19:11:38 <wumpus> it's not exactly the only workaround we have for upstream problems
472 2012-03-26 19:11:40 <gmaxwell> wumpus: nothing is 'so' bad about it. But e.g. the fact that we had to test to figure out what would happen with multiple copies running was kind of bleh.
473 2012-03-26 19:12:15 <gmaxwell> It's just more mystery meat code— and buggy mystery meat apparently.
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476 2012-03-26 19:13:06 <wumpus> that's true
477 2012-03-26 19:13:36 <gmaxwell> It'll also be buggy mystery meat exposed to hostile input.
478 2012-03-26 19:14:08 <gmaxwell> So— bleh. I do think the answer is to fix not remove, but 0.6 is about to become an urgent release.
479 2012-03-26 19:14:08 <rebroad> I notice that in some recent changes some boost foreachs changed into non-boost ones.. is there some move away from boost happening...?
480 2012-03-26 19:14:48 <sipa> rebroad: where exactly?
481 2012-03-26 19:14:49 <wumpus> it's too bad qt doesn't have a same-machine ipc mechanism (it has qt network but that's not really what we want)
482 2012-03-26 19:15:12 <gmaxwell> So, luke's suggestion of of slipping it a release to 0.6.1 didn't sound horrible to me. But I really shouldn't comment too much as I'm likely to undervalue the feature as its not something I'd use.
483 2012-03-26 19:15:17 <wumpus> and qtdbus but that's a linux-only party....
484 2012-03-26 19:15:33 <rebroad> oh.... what's urgent in 0.6, please gmaxwell? (or is there a webpage I can go to that will answer that question...?)
485 2012-03-26 19:16:00 <sipa> rebroad: the BIP16 changeover data is april first, and there is no stable release that implements it yet
486 2012-03-26 19:16:05 <rebroad> sipa: ummm. I forget now... I thought perhaps it was in some of your recent patches
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488 2012-03-26 19:17:10 <sipa> also, 0.5.0 is alreadt 4 months old
489 2012-03-26 19:17:16 <rebroad> my client is still gaining height very slowly.... maybe 4 blocks per minute.. disk IO and CPU are both low...
490 2012-03-26 19:17:27 <wumpus> we should release 0.6.0 asap, imo
491 2012-03-26 19:18:06 <Joric> is that compressed keys thing really well thought? e.g. payment to a secret key may be ambiguous
492 2012-03-26 19:18:06 <sipa> wumpus: the problem is that the longer we wait to incorporate more changes, the more time we need to let the rc's be tested
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494 2012-03-26 19:18:58 <sipa> Joric: you mean import a private key? yes, the serialization of that private key will indicate whether the corresponding address is derived from the compressed or non-compressed pubkey
495 2012-03-26 19:18:59 <wumpus> yes
496 2012-03-26 19:19:14 <rebroad> sipa, what's the impact of clients taking ages to switch to BIP16? how quickly do clients update when there's a message stating urgent update?
497 2012-03-26 19:19:19 <helo> with p2sh multisig, can different key sign different parts of the transaction? so one key may control/lock the destination address, and another the amount?
498 2012-03-26 19:19:42 <rebroad> is BIP16 ever "urgent" really? I mean, it's been lived without for so long...
499 2012-03-26 19:19:55 <sipa> rebroad: it's urgent for solo miners and p2pool users
500 2012-03-26 19:19:58 <sipa> not for users
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502 2012-03-26 19:20:22 <sipa> helo: not really, there is some control over what is signed (see the SIGHASH_x types)
503 2012-03-26 19:20:40 <sipa> +though
504 2012-03-26 19:21:24 <sipa> Joric: it's really not that hard: there will be two base58 serialized private keys, and each will correspond to exactly one base58 address
505 2012-03-26 19:21:31 <Joric> sipa, i can import those, i'm just a bit scared by the ambiguity of the old good 32-bit secret )
506 2012-03-26 19:21:39 <rebroad> I was thinking of a potential nice feature..... a directory linking bitcoin addresses to email addresses.
507 2012-03-26 19:22:11 <sipa> Joric: the fact that the internal 32-byte secret for both is the same, is not visible
508 2012-03-26 19:22:32 <Joric> those addresses are, in fact, linked
509 2012-03-26 19:22:45 <sipa> yes, you should not use both
510 2012-03-26 19:22:46 <rebroad> sipa, ah, so the BIP16 change won't be an alert for bitcoin-qt...?
511 2012-03-26 19:22:51 <sipa> rebroad: no
512 2012-03-26 19:23:12 <wumpus> rebroad: yes, has been discussed on the mailing list many times, look for "aliases"... the problem is implementing it in a secure way, without being dependent on a single organization that makes the mapping
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514 2012-03-26 19:28:14 <rebroad> wumpus, well, there could be a number of directories run by different people/organisations, and the client could gossip about those different directories either over the p2p protocol, or amongst a separate p2p protocol (if deemed not core functionality)
515 2012-03-26 19:28:57 <rebroad> people would choose which directories they register with (if any)
516 2012-03-26 19:30:08 <sipa> if those are centralized directories, there is no need to do it over p2p
517 2012-03-26 19:30:34 <sipa> and using static addresses is a bad idea for bitcoin's general privacy model
518 2012-03-26 19:31:06 <wumpus> yesanother practical issue
519 2012-03-26 19:31:17 <gmaxwell> It's not only bad for the privacy of the user with the static address— it's bad for the people they interact with, and even the people they interact with.
520 2012-03-26 19:31:35 <rebroad> sipa, well the list of directories could be gossiped about in the same way that ed2k servers are gossiped about amongst ed2k servers and kamilla (or whatever the p2p leg is called)
521 2012-03-26 19:31:36 <sipa> gmaxwell: yes, if it were only bad for people themselves, i wouldn't mind too much
522 2012-03-26 19:32:00 <gavinandresen> pullilng....
523 2012-03-26 19:32:10 <wumpus> also using the same static address means that you have no way to identify the sender / transaction specifically
524 2012-03-26 19:32:11 <rebroad> sipa, people who want privacy won't be registering addresses...
525 2012-03-26 19:32:30 <sipa> rebroad: that's not the problem
526 2012-03-26 19:32:34 <rebroad> people who want anonymity can just choose not to use them, and addresses that use them
527 2012-03-26 19:32:36 <wumpus> it's a very easy feature to think of but tricky to implement well, we've seen a lot of talk about it but zero implementations
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529 2012-03-26 19:33:13 <gmaxwell> rebroad: please reread my prior message, I was anticipating your response and already replied to it.
530 2012-03-26 19:33:17 <sipa> rebroad: even if you care about anonimity, and i don't, me using static addresses and doing transactions with you will negatively impact your privacy
531 2012-03-26 19:33:18 <wumpus> if you want it merged in the mainline client you need to address that
532 2012-03-26 19:33:26 <rebroad> wumpus, the list of addresses doesn't need to be any more static than the use of addresses..
533 2012-03-26 19:33:57 <wumpus> you can't just waive privacy away because you don't think it's important
534 2012-03-26 19:34:25 <sipa> bitcoin's entire privacy model depends on people not reusing addresses (too much)
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536 2012-03-26 19:34:44 <sipa> (not only on that, though)
537 2012-03-26 19:35:04 <rebroad> gmaxwell, I think I read it and responded didn't i?
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539 2012-03-26 19:35:43 <rebroad> wumpus, only people who want to waive privacy will be waiving it.. and only for the addresses they chose to waive it for
540 2012-03-26 19:35:59 <sipa> rebroad: now read everything we said the last 20 lines again
541 2012-03-26 19:36:09 <rebroad> sipa, we're not talknig about privacy here
542 2012-03-26 19:36:09 <rebroad> we're talking about the opposite
543 2012-03-26 19:36:31 <sipa> i'm not sure you understand
544 2012-03-26 19:36:35 <rebroad> privacy will continue to be an option for anyone who wants it
545 2012-03-26 19:36:43 <wumpus> rebroad, to prevent falling into repetition I suggest you read prior discussions on the mailing list
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547 2012-03-26 19:37:00 <rebroad> people can have as many private addresses as they like, and as many non-private as they like
548 2012-03-26 19:37:08 <wumpus> there have been many smart people thinking about this already
549 2012-03-26 19:37:24 <sipa> rebroad: your privacy depends on not doing transactions with people who are not careful with their privacy
550 2012-03-26 19:37:32 <sipa> and that is something you cannot control
551 2012-03-26 19:37:55 <sipa> so no, something that encourages giving up privacy is not only bad for those who chose it, but for the entire network
552 2012-03-26 19:37:57 <rebroad> wumpus, I can do... how would I find them please?
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554 2012-03-26 19:38:04 <gmaxwell> Not recieving funds from them, not sending funds to them— or more generally, not letting them know who you are.
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556 2012-03-26 19:38:35 <rebroad> sipa, I realise that... and this would in fact help people to avoid doing that also
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558 2012-03-26 19:39:05 <sipa> maybe, but there has not been any consensus about this yet, and many people have thought about it
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560 2012-03-26 19:39:32 <wumpus> any way, I think the best argument for not re-using addresses is to be able to label transcations and reconcile them with other places, for example so that you know which package to mail... static addresses linked to mails would *only* work for donations
561 2012-03-26 19:39:50 <sipa> exactly
562 2012-03-26 19:40:03 <sipa> for e-commerce you need a more complex setup anyway
563 2012-03-26 19:40:10 <rebroad> sipa, my suggestion will help with privacy as much as non-privacy...  so people can achieve either better
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565 2012-03-26 19:40:55 <sipa> rebroad: then write it out and implement it and convince people that it's safe, but i'm not sure you're aware of all issues around it
566 2012-03-26 19:41:04 <wumpus> even for simple person-to-person commerce you'd need a more complex setup
567 2012-03-26 19:41:13 <rebroad> well, I was thinking, I could set up a website that allows people to register an email to a bitcoin address (or are there already any/many around?), and then try to establish a standard protocol for querying it.. and then finally allow the bitcoin client to gossip about these directories
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571 2012-03-26 19:41:38 <rebroad> wumpus, only if it was a 1 to 1 relationship
572 2012-03-26 19:42:07 <sipa> rebroad: ok, i create a fake service that says "rebroad's address is 1KwDYMJMS4xq3ZEWYfdBRwYG2fHwhZsipa"
573 2012-03-26 19:42:19 <sipa> (which is my donation address)
574 2012-03-26 19:42:25 <wumpus> also make it *secure*... that's the hard part
575 2012-03-26 19:42:32 <rebroad> admittedly the directory would get rather big if people registered thousands of bitcoin addresses per email address...
576 2012-03-26 19:42:36 <sipa> how do i know which service to trust?
577 2012-03-26 19:42:49 <Joric> did anyone try to squeeze ecdsa 256k into a visible range? i wonder how it looks like
578 2012-03-26 19:43:16 <sipa> the only thing i can imagine is if the services have an own namespace
579 2012-03-26 19:43:17 <wumpus> maybe it could work with gpg keyservers somehow
580 2012-03-26 19:43:27 <sipa> like the part after @ in email addresses
581 2012-03-26 19:43:31 <Joric> jcryptool won't visualize sec256k - "Large elliptic curves are used in professional cryptography. Because of the size of the curves, it's not possible to display a grid or the points of the curve"
582 2012-03-26 19:43:55 <wumpus> if you have signed the address with your gpg key (verified in the usualy web-of-trust way) that should be pretty safe...
583 2012-03-26 19:43:56 <rebroad> sipa, well, firstly I'd not suggest it ever converts an email to a bitcoin address, just the other way around..
584 2012-03-26 19:44:12 <gavinandresen>  * [new tag]         v0.6.0rc5 -> v0.6.0rc5
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587 2012-03-26 19:44:34 <rebroad> sipa, and 2ndly as long as there are non-fake services online, then that sort of thing would get picked up by the discrepency
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589 2012-03-26 19:45:20 <rebroad> wumpus, yes, that would work I think
590 2012-03-26 19:45:32 <rebroad> sign the email address with the bitcoin addresses kety
591 2012-03-26 19:45:38 <rebroad> key
592 2012-03-26 19:45:44 <rebroad> erm.. hold on..
593 2012-03-26 19:46:02 <rebroad> yes.. and the query would always return a signed result ...
594 2012-03-26 19:46:31 <sipa> rebroad: the problem is that you'd somehow need to sign the bitcoin address with the email address, not the other way around
595 2012-03-26 19:46:58 <rebroad> sipa, both would be validated
596 2012-03-26 19:47:12 <wumpus> given that the gpg keyserver doesn't have a fake key of course, which could happen, you'd first need to trust the key really belongs to the issuer
597 2012-03-26 19:47:12 <rebroad> the service would validate the email address, and the person doing the lookup would validate the bitcoin address
598 2012-03-26 19:48:15 <sipa> rebroad: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=CAJ1JLtv%2BQ-%2BtV%2BjSWRzK%3DjH0t2Fug%3D89KJymc2OC%3D%2Bw01iRQ6w%40mail.gmail.com&forum_name=bitcoin-development
599 2012-03-26 19:48:19 <sipa> read that :)
600 2012-03-26 19:48:35 <wumpus> https://dev.visucore.com/bitcoin/doxygen/    new doxygen docs online, thanks to sipa most is filled in now 
601 2012-03-26 19:48:42 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt or sipa : do I need to do anything special with dependencies to gitian-build a rc5?
602 2012-03-26 19:48:59 <rebroad> the service would validate the email address by getting the email address to respond with a unique key to show it acknowledges..  the ackowledgement would also include it signed by the bitcoin addresses key.. this would be provided to those who to a lookup against the bitcoin address so that they know the bitcoin address itself agrees to the email address, and receives at that email address
603 2012-03-26 19:49:30 <sipa> gavinandresen: not that i know of
604 2012-03-26 19:49:39 <wumpus> not that I know of either
605 2012-03-26 19:50:23 <sipa> wumpus: it's just one line of comment per class for now; there's a lot to add
606 2012-03-26 19:50:34 <wumpus> heh
607 2012-03-26 19:50:37 <sipa> ok, building rc5
608 2012-03-26 19:53:17 <Blitzboom> "Usury is evil", are you serious, luke-jr?
609 2012-03-26 19:54:00 <Blitzboom> ehh sorry, should be in #bitcoin or #bitcoin-otc
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611 2012-03-26 19:55:31 <Joric> https://github.com/joric/pywallet added minversion support, mainly for rc5 )
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613 2012-03-26 19:56:31 <sipa> Joric: you need to check minversion <= 60000
614 2012-03-26 19:56:54 <Joric> damn!
615 2012-03-26 19:57:00 <sipa> (60000 is the first client version number that is guaranteed to support compressed pubkeys)
616 2012-03-26 19:58:11 <Joric> updated
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618 2012-03-26 20:00:59 <vegard> what's compressed pubkeys?
619 2012-03-26 20:01:25 <sipa> vegard: a more compact representation of public keys
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621 2012-03-26 20:02:00 <Joric> it's compressed privkeys as well (214 bytes vs 279)
622 2012-03-26 20:02:13 <sipa> that much? wow
623 2012-03-26 20:02:30 <vegard> that sounds a bit illogical
624 2012-03-26 20:02:39 <vegard> the keys are supposed to be random, no? :-/
625 2012-03-26 20:02:44 <sipa> "actual" private keys are only 32 bytes
626 2012-03-26 20:02:45 <Joric> yeah, there are two special points along with user points they get compressed too
627 2012-03-26 20:03:09 <sipa> it's the openssl serialization for private keys that is inneficient
628 2012-03-26 20:03:31 <vegard> is wallet size an actual problem?
629 2012-03-26 20:03:43 <sipa> compressed pubkeys are 33 bytes, uncompressed ones are 65 bytes
630 2012-03-26 20:03:51 <sipa> no, but the block chain size is
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632 2012-03-26 20:04:14 <vegard> they are compressed in the block chain, then?
633 2012-03-26 20:04:37 <sipa> whether they are compressed or not is determined at the time the address is generated
634 2012-03-26 20:04:49 <sipa> from then on, they are compressed everywhere or nowhere
635 2012-03-26 20:07:02 <gavinandresen> wumpus: I'm updating release notes, want to make sure this is still true:  "All platforms support dragging and dropping bitcoin: URIs onto the Bitcoin-Qt window to start payment."
636 2012-03-26 20:07:04 <Joric> i wonder why blockchain doesn't use 32-byte secrets it's almost 9 times less than serialized private key
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639 2012-03-26 20:07:35 <sipa> Joric: there are no secret keys in the blockchain at all
640 2012-03-26 20:07:52 <Joric> ah, right, sorry )
641 2012-03-26 20:07:59 <sipa> (i hope)
642 2012-03-26 20:08:02 <Joric> lol )
643 2012-03-26 20:09:38 <sipa> gavinandresen: you may want to mention that if you try to exist bitcoin while it is doing its initial synchronisation, that it may take a really long time (i suppose up to a minute or more) to quit cleanly
644 2012-03-26 20:09:42 <vegard> are compressed pubkeys backwards compatible?
645 2012-03-26 20:09:57 <sipa> vegard: yes, someone paying to a compressed pubkey does not need to know
646 2012-03-26 20:10:14 <sipa> and old client validate transactions that spend them as well
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648 2012-03-26 20:10:34 <gavinandresen> sipa:  initial synchronisation == "synchronizing with network" (aka downloading blockchain) ?
649 2012-03-26 20:10:39 <sipa> gavinandresen: yes
650 2012-03-26 20:10:46 <gavinandresen> ACK
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669 2012-03-26 20:31:16 <sipa> http://bitcoin.sipa.be/builds/0.6.0rc5/
670 2012-03-26 20:31:20 <sipa> sigs uploaded
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674 2012-03-26 20:35:16 <sipa> gavinandresen: ^
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676 2012-03-26 20:36:22 <gavinandresen> I'll push mine-- got a win32 difference, though
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678 2012-03-26 20:36:44 <rebroad> sipa, gavinandresen, do I need to do anything regarding pull 959, or will it eventually be ACKed or NACKed...?
679 2012-03-26 20:37:25 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: Diapolo opened pull request 995 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/995>
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682 2012-03-26 20:39:07 <gavinandresen> sipa: I pushed to gitian.sigs, but our bitcoin-qt.exe and setup.exe differ
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684 2012-03-26 20:40:13 <sipa> devrandom, BlueMatt: can you guys do a build as well?
685 2012-03-26 20:41:07 <sipa> rebroad: i think it's fine (after rebase) for 0.7, but i need to test it still
686 2012-03-26 20:41:09 <gavinandresen> rebroad: I marked 959 for 0.7.0, when 0.6 is out the door we'll start pulling.  An ACK from luke that whatever the issue he found is fixed will be needed.
687 2012-03-26 20:43:06 <rebroad> gavinandresen, does it have to be luke, or anyone else that found the same issue can ACK it?
688 2012-03-26 20:43:28 <sipa> preferrably him
689 2012-03-26 20:43:47 <sipa> (as he reported it in the first place)
690 2012-03-26 20:44:21 <sipa> gavinandresen: assuming no further issues arise, in what timespan do you see rc5 becoming final?
691 2012-03-26 20:45:03 <gavinandresen> sipa: Wednesday ?
692 2012-03-26 20:45:32 <gavinandresen> sipa:  I think it just needs sanity testing on all the platforms we support.
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694 2012-03-26 20:46:35 <sipa> ok
695 2012-03-26 20:47:09 <sipa> maybe a bit soon with the larger changes in rc5 (addrman, fastblocks)
696 2012-03-26 20:48:34 <gavinandresen> sipa: I'm using a different qt-win32-4.7.4-gitian.zip than you... I'm going to re-run the windows build with the skypaint.com/bitcoin version that you built with
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698 2012-03-26 20:49:58 <diki> gavinandresen:I found this on the forums https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=74122.0
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700 2012-03-26 20:51:48 <gavinandresen> diki: I saw that, I don't see any details about what the supposed vulnerability is.  Want to volunteer to contact him to find out?
701 2012-03-26 20:52:23 <diki> It says in the article that he was disclose this on 15-17 may
702 2012-03-26 20:52:43 <sipa> i'm not that afraid of scratches on the surface, but still, who knows...
703 2012-03-26 20:52:48 <diki> anyway, I doubt it's going to be anything major
704 2012-03-26 20:52:57 <diki> since he calls it paintwork rather than train smasher
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708 2012-03-26 20:54:28 <gavinandresen> .... ok, want to volunteer to contact him and ask if there is anything the core bitcoin development team should know before he releases details?
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711 2012-03-26 20:56:45 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: sounds like he means humans are the weak link IMO
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714 2012-03-26 20:57:47 <gavinandresen> (you know, I bet it is not hard to find his email address and actually ask him instead of speculating... hint hint.....)
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716 2012-03-26 21:00:17 <luke-jr> seems to be to me
717 2012-03-26 21:01:05 <gavinandresen> rc5 linux and mac binaries up at https://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/bitcoin-0.6.0/test/
718 2012-03-26 21:01:24 <gavinandresen> And can y'all proofread the release notes for me, too?  (README.txt there)
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721 2012-03-26 21:03:01 <diki> windows anytime soon?
722 2012-03-26 21:03:24 <sipa> gavinandresen: is -upgradewallet worth mentioning?
723 2012-03-26 21:03:34 <luke-jr>  https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/tarball/v0.6.0rc5  # .tar.gz <-- FWIW, I was intentionally putting #.tar.gz with no spaces to wget would use it :p
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725 2012-03-26 21:04:01 <luke-jr> For Ubuntu users, there is a new ppa maintained by Matt Corallo which <-- I don't think it has RCs, and it isn't new anymore
726 2012-03-26 21:04:13 <gavinandresen> sipa: I don't think so-- the only people who will use -upgradewallet are pretty hardcore geeks like you and me
727 2012-03-26 21:05:05 <gavinandresen> RE: ppa:  so remove mention of the ppa until final release?
728 2012-03-26 21:05:21 <luke-jr> New JSON-RPC api command for getting extra information related to mining (getmininginfo). <-- Might mention it's info that is removed from getinfo
729 2012-03-26 21:05:24 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: IMO
730 2012-03-26 21:05:57 <sipa> gavinandresen: currently it says that 0.6.0 will use compressed keys though, which is not unconditionally true anymore
731 2012-03-26 21:06:03 <luke-jr> maybe mention that the bugfixes in 0.6rc5 are already in 0.5.4rc1 too :p
732 2012-03-26 21:06:36 <gavinandresen> sipa: isn't it true that New wallets will use compressed keys?
733 2012-03-26 21:07:04 <sipa> oh, yes
734 2012-03-26 21:07:23 <luke-jr> Short multisignature address support is included in this release, as specified in BIP 16. <-- BIP 13?
735 2012-03-26 21:07:47 <luke-jr> Thanks to everybody who contributed to this release: <-- I've been ordering by non-merge commit count in stable releases, FWIW
736 2012-03-26 21:09:41 <sipa> gavinandresen: ok, never mind indeed
737 2012-03-26 21:11:15 <gavinandresen> sipa: rebuilt with the skypaint.com/bitcoin qt-win32 input, output matches yours.  I'll re-push the sigs and upload....
738 2012-03-26 21:11:28 <sipa> w00t
739 2012-03-26 21:14:35 <luke-jr> FYI: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/CVEs
740 2012-03-26 21:16:58 <luke-jr> sipa: want to mention the CVE number in BIP 30?
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743 2012-03-26 21:18:04 <sipa> luke-jr: if there is any information about that CVE number, sure
744 2012-03-26 21:18:35 <luke-jr> CVE-2012-1909
745 2012-03-26 21:19:27 <sipa> yes i know, but if there is no information about CVE-2012-1909 on http://cve.mitre.org/, there's not much point in using that identifier, right?
746 2012-03-26 21:20:07 <mod6> http://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2006-1909
747 2012-03-26 21:20:13 <mod6> i remember that CVE actually.
748 2012-03-26 21:20:27 <mod6> err, wrong one, my bad.
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750 2012-03-26 21:25:26 <gavinandresen> All righty, README.txt updated a bit, SHA256SUMS.asc and Windows binaries all up at   https://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/bitcoin-0.6.0/test/?
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753 2012-03-26 21:25:35 <gavinandresen> Time to sanity test....
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756 2012-03-26 21:32:24 <sipa> there's already a 0.6.0.5 node listed on http://bitcoin.sipa.be/seeds.txt
757 2012-03-26 21:32:35 <luke-jr> O.o
758 2012-03-26 21:32:38 <gavinandresen> rc5-win32-setup.exe downloaded and ran, was sane...
759 2012-03-26 21:32:54 <sipa> wait, that's myself
760 2012-03-26 21:32:56 <sipa> wow
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762 2012-03-26 21:34:29 <luke-jr> sipa: bf1afb0 Give DNS seeds a random age between 3 and 7 days old <-- backport/bugfix?
763 2012-03-26 21:35:18 <sipa> luke-jr: without addrman i wouldn't bother
764 2012-03-26 21:35:22 <gavinandresen> away for a while.  The macosx rc5 looks sane.
765 2012-03-26 21:35:54 <sipa> wait, my bitcoind runs on a non-standard port and i have 42 connections after a few minutes?
766 2012-03-26 21:36:02 <sipa> 44
767 2012-03-26 21:36:03 <luke-jr> any reason to treat -walletupgrade as a fix
768 2012-03-26 21:36:04 <luke-jr> ?
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770 2012-03-26 21:36:44 <sipa> luke-jr: without features above encryption it would almost be a no-op
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772 2012-03-26 21:38:31 <luke-jr> I'm inclined to backport a56881b Remove wxWidgets .exe and locales during setup
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775 2012-03-26 21:43:36 <gavinandresen> sipa: My running-on-standard-port bitcoin-qt has 20 connections, running with -irc=1, after 10 or so minutes.
776 2012-03-26 21:43:52 <gavinandresen> (and now I really am away for a while)
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803 2012-03-26 22:58:18 <sipa> BlueMatt: hmm, in stanford crypto course, they explain that in AES-CBC the IVs should not be predictable by an attacker
804 2012-03-26 22:59:50 <sipa> that is of course, in a chosen plaintext attack, which would correspond to an attacker writing his own keys in your wallet.dat file before you encrypt it, and observing the result
805 2012-03-26 23:00:21 <kinlo> sipa: you're following the course too? :)
806 2012-03-26 23:00:26 <sipa> yes
807 2012-03-26 23:00:32 <kinlo> it is very interesting
808 2012-03-26 23:00:45 <sipa> didn't i already tell you about how to solve the exercises of the first week?
809 2012-03-26 23:01:08 <sipa> or at least, how i did
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811 2012-03-26 23:02:11 <kinlo> not really, but I'm lagging behind
812 2012-03-26 23:02:21 <sipa> must have been someone else then
813 2012-03-26 23:02:38 <kinlo> I haven't solved the first exercise yet
814 2012-03-26 23:02:43 <sipa> well, me too, i'm now doing the lectures of week 2, while those for week 3 are already published
815 2012-03-26 23:02:55 <kinlo> the optional exercise that is
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817 2012-03-26 23:03:05 <kinlo> got it decrypted for 90
818 2012-03-26 23:03:07 <kinlo> %
819 2012-03-26 23:03:31 <kinlo> I probably am already too late to submit the answer tough
820 2012-03-26 23:03:32 <sipa> optional exercise?
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822 2012-03-26 23:03:45 <kinlo> first week has a required test and an optional test
823 2012-03-26 23:03:54 <sipa> what's the optional one?
824 2012-03-26 23:04:07 <kinlo> optional is just for extra credit and is the one where you have to crack the otp and crack the PRG
825 2012-03-26 23:04:21 <kinlo> the required one is the multiple choice one with the dvd players stuff
826 2012-03-26 23:04:24 <sipa> oh, didn't notice anything about that being optional
827 2012-03-26 23:04:32 <kinlo> it's clearly noted in the title
828 2012-03-26 23:04:43 <sipa> maybe they changed it
829 2012-03-26 23:04:48 <kinlo> Week 1 - Programming Assignment [optional: extra credit]
830 2012-03-26 23:05:04 <sipa> i did it a few days after it was published
831 2012-03-26 23:05:21 <kinlo> it's a bit of a shame you need to follow their rithm
832 2012-03-26 23:05:30 <kinlo> I can't keep up with all my other activities
833 2012-03-26 23:05:47 <sipa> well, do you actually need to follow it?
834 2012-03-26 23:05:48 <kinlo> at the other hand, it forces me to spend time, otherwise it just ends up in the "todo" pile never getting done
835 2012-03-26 23:06:05 <kinlo> that's the whole idea to watch all the video's
836 2012-03-26 23:06:26 <sipa> yes sure, but why can't you do it in your own scheme
837 2012-03-26 23:06:45 <kinlo> there is a deadline on the exercises
838 2012-03-26 23:06:48 <sipa> ah
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840 2012-03-26 23:07:02 <kinlo> the first deadline ends today
841 2012-03-26 23:07:08 <kinlo> for the first quiz and the optional one
842 2012-03-26 23:07:20 <kinlo> well, the soft-deadline, there is a second hard deadline too
843 2012-03-26 23:07:27 <sipa> ooh, ok
844 2012-03-26 23:07:37 <sipa> no problem then
845 2012-03-26 23:07:39 <kinlo> if you miss the soft-deadline you still get 50% of the points
846 2012-03-26 23:07:51 <sipa> good to know
847 2012-03-26 23:08:06 <sipa> so i still have a week for the assignments from week 2
848 2012-03-26 23:08:08 <kinlo> and the hard deadline is still 2 months I think
849 2012-03-26 23:08:13 <kinlo> yep
850 2012-03-26 23:08:23 <kinlo> but I still need to watch all video's for week 2
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862 2012-03-26 23:33:14 <nanotube> i did week1 problem set, but not the programming set yet. and still have wk2 and 3 to go. heh.
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869 2012-03-26 23:55:53 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: what do you think of uploading 0.5.4rc1 to SF for more testing before 0.6.0?
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871 2012-03-26 23:56:26 <gavinandresen> I think the old releases take away from the testing effort and are, in general, a bad idea.
872 2012-03-26 23:57:02 <luke-jr> not everyone wants to be a tester anymore
873 2012-03-26 23:57:03 <gavinandresen> The only exception to that thinking is when there is a critical security bug.
874 2012-03-26 23:57:33 <gavinandresen> Everybody IS a tester, and I'll continue to say that you should not invest time or money into bitcoin that you can't afford to lose.
875 2012-03-26 23:58:27 <luke-jr> there's a difference between being aware of the risks, and taking on new risks from upgrades