1 2012-04-07 00:00:05 <gmaxwell> Rebroad: nah, we have more protection than that.. e.g. see ComputeMinWork
2 2012-04-07 00:00:28 <luke-jr> â¦
3 2012-04-07 00:00:44 <luke-jr> Rebroad: read up on difficulty
4 2012-04-07 00:00:47 <gmaxwell> Rebroad: this baffles you?
5 2012-04-07 00:00:57 <luke-jr> Rebroad: the number of zeros increases because more are demanded for mining
6 2012-04-07 00:01:16 <Rebroad> ah... ok.
7 2012-04-07 00:01:45 <gmaxwell> the last checkpoint isnt a lower number than the prior one.
8 2012-04-07 00:03:13 <Rebroad> how do you determine how many checkpoints to have? I was also wondering if there was any explanation anywhere about the 4 block long fork that happened on 1st April.. I was curious to know if that was a rare anomoly or if it was intentionally caused by something
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10 2012-04-07 00:03:38 <luke-jr> Rebroad: it was caused by BIP 16
11 2012-04-07 00:03:53 <luke-jr> checkpoints are pretty much chosen around rc1s
12 2012-04-07 00:04:16 <Rebroad> was surprised it reached 4 blocks though.. and it seemed my node was following the wrong fork as it reorged back 4 blocks later
13 2012-04-07 00:04:35 <luke-jr> Rebroad: that means your node is not BIP16-compliant.
14 2012-04-07 00:04:41 <luke-jr> BIP16 nodes will reject the forkds
15 2012-04-07 00:04:43 <luke-jr> forks*
16 2012-04-07 00:04:51 <luke-jr> and any non-BIP16 miners will extend them
17 2012-04-07 00:06:57 <Rebroad> ah... I know what it is....
18 2012-04-07 00:07:10 <Rebroad> it's because I ran it before 1st April and kept it running beyond 1st April
19 2012-04-07 00:07:24 <Rebroad> maybe...?
20 2012-04-07 00:07:30 <gmaxwell> No.... it's because you were running bitcoin prior to 0.6.
21 2012-04-07 00:07:39 <gmaxwell> No restart was required.
22 2012-04-07 00:07:45 <Rebroad> I'm using 0.6.0rc4 AFAIK
23 2012-04-07 00:07:50 <luke-jr> Rebroad: you need 0.4.5, 0.5.4, or 0.6.0
24 2012-04-07 00:07:58 <gmaxwell> If you were on the losing side of that fork, you were not on 0.6.0rc4.
25 2012-04-07 00:07:59 <Rebroad> SoftSetArg("-paytoscripthashtime", "1333238400"); // April 1 2012
26 2012-04-07 00:08:15 <gmaxwell> perhaps you upgraded your binary but didn't restart?
27 2012-04-07 00:08:34 <luke-jr> Rebroad: maybe you were seeing reorg failures, not actual reorgs?
28 2012-04-07 00:08:44 <Rebroad> I compiled it myself, long before 1st April...
29 2012-04-07 00:08:46 <luke-jr> BIP16 clients will *attempt* to reorg to the bad chains, but will fail
30 2012-04-07 00:08:56 <Rebroad> ah,,, maybe, luke-jr
31 2012-04-07 00:08:57 <gribble> Error: "," is not a valid command.
32 2012-04-07 00:09:11 <Rebroad> pardon, gribble?
33 2012-04-07 00:09:24 <Rebroad> ah...
34 2012-04-07 00:09:24 <luke-jr> gribble thinks anything with ,, is a command
35 2012-04-07 00:09:33 <luke-jr> isn't that right, gribble? ,,echo yep
36 2012-04-07 00:09:33 <gribble> (echo <text>) -- Returns the arguments given it. Uses our standard substitute on the string(s) given to it; $nick (or $who), $randomNick, $randomInt, $botnick, $channel, $user, $host, $today, $now, and $randomDate are all handled appropriately.
37 2012-04-07 00:09:36 <luke-jr> isn't that right, gribble? (,,echo yep)
38 2012-04-07 00:09:36 <gribble> (echo <text>) -- Returns the arguments given it. Uses our standard substitute on the string(s) given to it; $nick (or $who), $randomNick, $randomInt, $botnick, $channel, $user, $host, $today, $now, and $randomDate are all handled appropriately.
39 2012-04-07 00:09:39 <gmaxwell> 04/01/12 14:58:54 152.7.31.134:8333 received block 000000000000053ff545
40 2012-04-07 00:09:39 <gmaxwell> 04/01/12 14:58:54 ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 4005d6bea3 P2SH VerifySignature failed
41 2012-04-07 00:09:39 <luke-jr> -.-
42 2012-04-07 00:09:42 <gmaxwell> 04/01/12 14:58:54 InvalidChainFound: invalid block=000000000000053ff545 height=173886 work=281279353963778393363
43 2012-04-07 00:09:45 <gmaxwell> 04/01/12 14:58:54 InvalidChainFound: current best=0000000000000173f7d9 height=173885 work=281272367863171455078
44 2012-04-07 00:10:14 <gmaxwell> ^ thats what you should have seen as you recieved bad blocks. But it never would have actually reorged onto the bad chain.
45 2012-04-07 00:10:47 <Rebroad> I got a 4 blocks back 3 blocks forward REORG type thing happen... it's on my other O/S though so will check later.
46 2012-04-07 00:11:06 <gmaxwell> Rebroad: was your other O/S running 0.6? :)
47 2012-04-07 00:11:10 <Rebroad> yup
48 2012-04-07 00:12:11 <Rebroad> ah... I think I know what it is... I wasn't running with -bip16
49 2012-04-07 00:12:41 <Rebroad> I thought it was on by default, but looking at the code I compiled with it seems not :-s
50 2012-04-07 00:12:59 <Rebroad> probably due to my incompetence with git and lot loading in the full changes
51 2012-04-07 00:13:04 <Rebroad> *not
52 2012-04-07 00:13:16 <luke-jr> â¦
53 2012-04-07 00:13:26 <Rebroad> if (GetBoolArg("-bip16", true))
54 2012-04-07 00:13:26 <Rebroad> {
55 2012-04-07 00:13:26 <Rebroad> if (fTestNet)
56 2012-04-07 00:13:26 <Rebroad> SoftSetArg("-paytoscripthashtime", "1329264000"); // Feb 15
57 2012-04-07 00:13:26 <Rebroad> else
58 2012-04-07 00:13:26 <Rebroad> SoftSetArg("-paytoscripthashtime", "1333238400"); // April 1 2012
59 2012-04-07 00:13:28 <luke-jr> -bip16 doesn't change anything we're talking about
60 2012-04-07 00:13:35 <luke-jr> ⦠or does it? O.o
61 2012-04-07 00:13:52 <gmaxwell> oh it's lukes fault, sweet.
62 2012-04-07 00:13:58 <sipa> Rebroad: GetBoolArg(str, val) means check option str, but default to val
63 2012-04-07 00:13:58 <forsetifox> Heh.
64 2012-04-07 00:14:01 <sipa> so you're fine
65 2012-04-07 00:14:04 <luke-jr> oh wow, it really does
66 2012-04-07 00:14:09 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: no, that was gavin's patch
67 2012-04-07 00:14:29 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: my variant of that only affected the coinbase flag.
68 2012-04-07 00:14:36 <gmaxwell> ah.
69 2012-04-07 00:14:38 <Rebroad> ah, so it should have been true and therefore the paytoscripthashtime would have been on
70 2012-04-07 00:14:55 <Rebroad> hmmm. I'm confused.
71 2012-04-07 00:15:06 <sipa> yes
72 2012-04-07 00:15:07 <gmaxwell> yea, so don't worry about it now.. check your debug logs later.
73 2012-04-07 00:15:16 <luke-jr> Rebroad: just be sure we go over the log later :p
74 2012-04-07 00:15:38 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: by "wasn't running" I thought Rebroad meant bip16=0
75 2012-04-07 00:18:11 <sipa> is there any way to have a file in .gitignore and checked in?
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77 2012-04-07 00:18:24 <Rebroad> anyway.. bedtime for me... happy hacking everyone
78 2012-04-07 00:18:36 <Rebroad> (and Easter)
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80 2012-04-07 00:18:48 <sipa> it seems even though it's in .gitignore, changes to it get tracked
81 2012-04-07 00:18:55 <sipa> that's very inconvenient
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83 2012-04-07 00:21:46 <sipa> i'll just add a -DHAVE_BUILD_INFO
84 2012-04-07 00:26:19 <luke-jr> sipa: could make the git-included file be a .in, and copied if there's no better source of info
85 2012-04-07 00:26:32 <luke-jr> argh, just destroyed 0.4.5rc3 by accident :<
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87 2012-04-07 00:33:55 <user_> question: deterministic wallet from satoshi client will be compatible with electrum implementation?
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89 2012-04-07 00:36:02 <luke-jr> user_: eventually, I think
90 2012-04-07 00:36:53 <gmaxwell> user_: I don't know if electrum will change. Armory will probably change to match the reference client.
91 2012-04-07 00:37:28 <luke-jr> user_: the existing ones don't support everything desired :p
92 2012-04-07 00:37:49 <user_> and what is desired?
93 2012-04-07 00:38:20 <gmaxwell> Type-2ness, random access, multiple chains, security conservative construction.
94 2012-04-07 00:38:21 <luke-jr> user_: the ability to deploy N read-only slaves with M pending transactions each
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96 2012-04-07 00:39:07 <gmaxwell> speaking of that, I need to find that recent paper with generic attacks on HMAC.
97 2012-04-07 00:39:29 <luke-jr> user_: also, the ability to have Master Key A + Slave Key B on one client, and Master Key B + Slave Key A on the other; and then both need to sign off on spends
98 2012-04-07 00:40:00 <user_> ok
99 2012-04-07 00:40:23 <user_> will be on 0.7 version, right?
100 2012-04-07 00:40:58 <luke-jr> probably 0.8 IMO
101 2012-04-07 00:41:12 <luke-jr> 0.7 has coin control, IPv6, and some other stuff piled up already
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103 2012-04-07 00:41:20 <user_> ok
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105 2012-04-07 00:44:11 <sipa> well, whenever it's ready
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107 2012-04-07 00:45:32 <elkingrey> Can anybody point me to a list of what is planned on being improved in version 0.7 of the Satoshi client?
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109 2012-04-07 00:46:14 <gmaxwell> elkingrey: why do you ask?
110 2012-04-07 00:46:17 <sipa> elkingrey: no fixed plan; we're currently working on 0.6.1
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112 2012-04-07 00:46:20 <gmaxwell> We're working on 0.6.1 right now.
113 2012-04-07 00:46:28 <luke-jr> elkingrey: whatever is ready within the 0.7 merge window
114 2012-04-07 00:46:50 <sipa> how does makefile.unix depend on .h files?
115 2012-04-07 00:46:57 <luke-jr> elkingrey: the github pull request list might help identify what is already ready :P
116 2012-04-07 00:47:05 <elkingrey> I was under the impression that there were always new things being done on the next major stable, with constant minor upgrade to the current.
117 2012-04-07 00:47:36 <sipa> there is not a single ".h" in that file
118 2012-04-07 00:47:37 <elkingrey> Just curious what to look forward to, is all.
119 2012-04-07 00:47:49 <luke-jr> elkingrey: pull request list has the stuff waiting for 0.6.1 and 0.7
120 2012-04-07 00:48:05 <elkingrey> luke-jr: Link?
121 2012-04-07 00:48:25 <luke-jr> elkingrey: github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pulls
122 2012-04-07 00:48:31 <elkingrey> Thanks! =)
123 2012-04-07 00:48:52 <sipa> really, anyone who understands that makefile?
124 2012-04-07 00:48:56 <luke-jr> elkingrey: you might also check out my next-test branches
125 2012-04-07 00:49:05 <luke-jr> sipa: I tried to clean it up a while back :p
126 2012-04-07 00:49:23 <luke-jr> sipa: # auto-generated dependencies: <-- probably does the .h deps
127 2012-04-07 00:49:30 <sipa> ah
128 2012-04-07 00:49:56 <sipa> great
129 2012-04-07 00:52:37 * luke-jr wishes make would just do stuff like that on the flyâ¦
130 2012-04-07 00:53:34 <sipa> i wished C++ didn't use a prehistoric module system that depends on preprocessing
131 2012-04-07 00:54:03 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: how do I push sigs?
132 2012-04-07 00:54:29 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: GitHub doesn't show me the SSH option
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134 2012-04-07 00:57:51 <graingert> luke-jr: I guess you'd need to make a fork and send a pull request?
135 2012-04-07 00:58:16 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: what?
136 2012-04-07 00:58:24 <BlueMatt> you push to the repo like any other repo
137 2012-04-07 00:58:45 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: to push, I usually use a SSH URI in git
138 2012-04-07 00:59:00 <luke-jr> GitHub is not showing me that option for gitian sigs
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140 2012-04-07 00:59:42 <BlueMatt> then you dont have push access
141 2012-04-07 01:00:02 <BlueMatt> one sec I think I can give you that
142 2012-04-07 01:00:43 <sipa> luke-jr: my isgs are pushed
143 2012-04-07 01:00:44 <sipa> sigs
144 2012-04-07 01:01:45 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: try now
145 2012-04-07 01:03:42 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: looks good now
146 2012-04-07 01:03:45 <luke-jr> sipa: ty
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149 2012-04-07 01:16:00 <luke-jr> hi [Tycho]
150 2012-04-07 01:16:08 <[Tycho]> Hello.
151 2012-04-07 01:16:34 <gmaxwell> Anyone know why the installer is promping users to reboot?
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153 2012-04-07 01:16:48 <luke-jr> is it? XD
154 2012-04-07 01:17:20 <gmaxwell> AdrianG in #bitcoin says it is.
155 2012-04-07 01:17:25 <gmaxwell> First report I've heard of it.
156 2012-04-07 01:21:22 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: sipa opened pull request 1054 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1054>
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158 2012-04-07 01:24:56 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: maybe only if the old version is still running?
159 2012-04-07 01:25:09 <luke-jr> ie, it needs to replace the file, but fails, so schedules it for reboot replacement
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165 2012-04-07 01:47:12 <paulo_> does the client check for integrity of the wallet file?
166 2012-04-07 01:47:46 <paulo_> e.g. if the private keys still correspond to the public keys?
167 2012-04-07 01:47:54 <luke-jr> only if it's not encrypted.
168 2012-04-07 01:48:10 <paulo_> and whenever I unlock my wallet, does it check?
169 2012-04-07 01:48:35 <luke-jr> don't think so
170 2012-04-07 01:48:40 <sipa> paulo_: it checks one key
171 2012-04-07 01:48:54 <sipa> if the first one matches, it assumes the password is correct
172 2012-04-07 01:49:22 <brwyatt> For those checking on the... incident that my IP was involved with... any info or... anything come up?
173 2012-04-07 01:49:30 <paulo_> it's because an address appeared out of nowhere in my wallet
174 2012-04-07 01:50:08 <sipa> paulo_: ?
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176 2012-04-07 01:50:54 <paulo_> an receiving address appeared in my wallet, I don't remember asking for a new onw
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178 2012-04-07 01:51:31 <paulo_> *one
179 2012-04-07 01:51:37 <luke-jr> paulo_: the satoshi client is always making new ones
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181 2012-04-07 01:51:47 <paulo_> why?
182 2012-04-07 01:52:15 <luke-jr> privacy
183 2012-04-07 01:52:32 <paulo_> when does it make them?
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185 2012-04-07 01:52:46 <sipa> for every change created
186 2012-04-07 01:52:51 <brwyatt> paulo_: Any time you send bitcoins, for example.
187 2012-04-07 01:52:51 <luke-jr> paulo_: whenever you send, mostly
188 2012-04-07 01:52:55 <sipa> but they still shouldn't appear in your address book
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190 2012-04-07 01:55:56 <paulo_> is there a utility that checks the wallet file for corruption?
191 2012-04-07 01:56:01 <paulo_> if there isn't, i
192 2012-04-07 01:56:09 <paulo_> i'll try writing one/
193 2012-04-07 01:56:27 <sipa> paulo_: i have a patch that will make the client do a full check of all keys at decryption
194 2012-04-07 01:59:10 <paulo_> an idea
195 2012-04-07 01:59:21 <paulo_> I can just sign messages, then check if the sig is right
196 2012-04-07 01:59:33 <paulo_> however, there's no sig checker in the client
197 2012-04-07 02:00:06 <sipa> sure there is
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199 2012-04-07 02:00:27 <sipa> only command-line though
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202 2012-04-07 02:09:02 <sipa> does !windows { ... } in qmake also exclude mingw/linux?
203 2012-04-07 02:12:33 <luke-jr> sipa: I think so.
204 2012-04-07 02:15:56 <paulo_> are keypools still used?
205 2012-04-07 02:17:08 <sipa> yes, certainly
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212 2012-04-07 02:31:40 <luke-jr> sipa: can you push 0.5.4rc3 to github?
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230 2012-04-07 03:21:26 <paulo_> why doesn't bitcoin quit sometimes?
231 2012-04-07 03:21:47 <paulo_> it's still in the task manager
232 2012-04-07 03:22:00 <luke-jr> it's slow.
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358 2012-04-07 09:38:21 <Diapolo> hi
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369 2012-04-07 10:19:56 <UukGoblin> I've just tested the idea of implementing mental poker (serverless/decentralized poker) - it will work like a charm for 2 players :-) https://github.com/goblin/mental_poker_poc
370 2012-04-07 10:20:12 <UukGoblin> possibly more players, too, but that adds the possibility of collusion
371 2012-04-07 10:20:29 <UukGoblin> anyway, I've been thinking, with the latest BIP16 stuff... would it be possible to entagle bitcoins into the play?
372 2012-04-07 10:20:50 <UukGoblin> i.e. make some funny transactions that will be spendable only if the guy wins the pot? :-P
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377 2012-04-07 10:50:42 <blinkbat> its been 57 minutes since the last block
378 2012-04-07 10:50:44 <blinkbat> whats happening?
379 2012-04-07 10:51:08 <sipa> ;;tslb
380 2012-04-07 10:51:08 <gribble> Error: "tslb" is not a valid command.
381 2012-04-07 10:51:18 <sipa> ;;bc,tslb
382 2012-04-07 10:51:18 <gribble> Time since last block: 58 minutes and 33 seconds
383 2012-04-07 10:51:38 <sipa> ;;bc,prob
384 2012-04-07 10:51:38 <gribble> (bc,prob <an alias, at least 1 argument>) -- Alias for "math calc 1-exp(-$1*1000 * [seconds $*] / (2**32* [bc,diff]))".
385 2012-04-07 10:52:55 <sipa> ;;bc,prob [bc,calc [bc,nethash]*1000000] 1h
386 2012-04-07 10:53:03 <gribble> Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
387 2012-04-07 10:55:03 <blinkbat> its over an hour now
388 2012-04-07 10:57:41 <sipa> ;;calc 1/(1-[bc,prob [calc [bc,nethash]*1000000] 1h])
389 2012-04-07 10:57:42 <gribble> 195.579894387
390 2012-04-07 10:57:57 <sipa> happens almost once a day
391 2012-04-07 10:58:35 <sipa> nanotube: possible to get an alias for that?
392 2012-04-07 10:59:29 <sipa> (gives the frequency of blocks of a duration that exceed 1h
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394 2012-04-07 11:10:02 <UukGoblin> I think a low-trust third party will be needed for that poker stuff
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400 2012-04-07 12:18:16 <blinkbat> i see sipa
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420 2012-04-07 13:49:09 <rebroad> well.. I've been trying to download a block now for a few hours... my debug.log here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14309744/.bitcoin/debug.log
421 2012-04-07 13:49:47 <luke-jr> rebroad: do you have a real internet connection now?
422 2012-04-07 13:50:10 <rebroad> luke-jr, no, but seriously, I think bitcoin needs to be able to deal with non-real internet connections, as you call them
423 2012-04-07 13:50:24 <rebroad> not everyone has the luxury of a "real" one...
424 2012-04-07 13:50:39 <sipa> i don't think so
425 2012-04-07 13:50:56 <sipa> i think bitcoin should be able to handle disconnected synchronization nodes better, though
426 2012-04-07 13:51:23 <rebroad> and anyway, my non-real internet connection would cause problems for nodes with real connections I suspect
427 2012-04-07 13:51:53 <rebroad> e.g. if they were downloading a block from me, they'd need to wait until the next one was announced... not so much a problem for them though as for me I realise
428 2012-04-07 13:52:11 <luke-jr> so, they'd get disconnected from you and move on
429 2012-04-07 13:52:33 <sipa> it's much more a problem for the downloader than for the rest
430 2012-04-07 13:53:01 <sipa> als the rest can't be helped; if they connect to you, and the connection breaks, they need to find some other peer anyway
431 2012-04-07 13:53:12 <sipa> whether or not you're going to reconnect somewhere else quickly
432 2012-04-07 13:56:20 <TD> rebroad: you're the only person i know of who is trying to do advanced things on a non-real internet connection. seriously, i know it sucks, but i don't think this is a use case worth spending time on. once you finished moving house and get a non web-only connection this issue will go away
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440 2012-04-07 14:09:58 <blinkbat> rebroad: try using a non-blockchain thin clien
441 2012-04-07 14:10:00 <blinkbat> t
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457 2012-04-07 14:40:26 <makomk> luke-jr: Git sort of has a replacement for svn's keywords feature. Look ath the git-archive manpage.
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465 2012-04-07 14:43:05 <luke-jr> makomk: don't see anything useful
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482 2012-04-07 14:50:22 <blinkbat> :P
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492 2012-04-07 14:54:15 <TD> can somebody put a temporary ban on rebroad?
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534 2012-04-07 16:23:41 <blinkbat> Hey guys
535 2012-04-07 16:23:43 <blinkbat> whats wrong with bitcoin
536 2012-04-07 16:23:49 <blinkbat> blocks are taking ages today
537 2012-04-07 16:24:01 <blinkbat> I thought it was meant to be 10 minutes on average
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541 2012-04-07 16:24:41 <Graet> yes, average doesnt mean one exactly every 10 mins :)
542 2012-04-07 16:24:47 <Graet> ;;bc,nethash
543 2012-04-07 16:24:48 <gribble> 10241.586458781168
544 2012-04-07 16:25:25 <sipa> ;;calc [bc,diff]*2**48/65535/600
545 2012-04-07 16:25:26 <gribble> 1.16435010116e+13
546 2012-04-07 16:25:27 <Graet> network hashrate calso appers to haved dropped, next difficulty change will be down
547 2012-04-07 16:25:32 <sipa> ;;calc [bc,diff]*2**48/65535/600/1000000
548 2012-04-07 16:25:32 <gribble> 11643501.0116
549 2012-04-07 16:26:17 <sipa> ;;calc [bc,nethash] / ([bc,diff]*2**48/65535/600/1000000000)
550 2012-04-07 16:26:17 <gribble> 0.879596819619
551 2012-04-07 16:26:26 <sipa> we dropped 12%
552 2012-04-07 16:26:29 <sipa> ;;bc,stats
553 2012-04-07 16:26:31 <gribble> Current Blocks: 174666 | Current Difficulty: 1626553.4813289 | Next Difficulty At Block: 175391 | Next Difficulty In: 725 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 10 hours, 42 minutes, and 5 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1547037.25930407 | Estimated Percent Change: -4.88863249427
554 2012-04-07 16:27:20 <blinkbat> i had to wait over an hour for a block last time
555 2012-04-07 16:27:24 <blinkbat> this time its 30 minutes
556 2012-04-07 16:27:29 <blinkbat> i mean, this is unusable for general spending
557 2012-04-07 16:27:38 <sipa> spending != confirming
558 2012-04-07 16:27:47 <Graet> yep and earlier there were 3 blocks in under 2 minutes'
559 2012-04-07 16:27:50 <sipa> blocks of 1 hour happen approximately once per day
560 2012-04-07 16:27:54 <blinkbat> nobodys gonna accept an unconfirmed transaction over 1btc or so
561 2012-04-07 16:28:29 <k9quaint> blinkbat: people do for billions of dollars all the time with credit cards
562 2012-04-07 16:29:03 <sipa> credit card transactions are as fast as bitcoin transactions, but take weeks/months to confirm
563 2012-04-07 16:31:39 <blinkbat> the problem is theres so much variance here
564 2012-04-07 16:31:50 <blinkbat> you never know when its gonna confirm, so it could be 1 minute, or it could be an hour
565 2012-04-07 16:31:53 <blinkbat> that is just annoying
566 2012-04-07 16:32:02 <sipa> for now, yes
567 2012-04-07 16:32:11 <sipa> but the bitcoin infrastructure is still young
568 2012-04-07 16:32:21 <k9quaint> try thinking your money is in your account from a CC and then months later have it taken back
569 2012-04-07 16:32:35 <sipa> and i don't think waiting for confirmations will be a aproblem in the future
570 2012-04-07 16:33:19 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: graingert opened issue 1056 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1056> || graingert opened issue 1055 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1055>
571 2012-04-07 16:33:57 <blinkbat> finally a new block
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579 2012-04-07 16:51:43 <makomk> luke-jr: export-subst git attribute.
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581 2012-04-07 17:06:15 <sipa> does anyone have an idea why SendMessages needs cs_main?
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585 2012-04-07 17:09:23 <rebroad> flushing the blkindex.dat is taking more than 6 minutes now since using the latest version... I'm fairly certain it's the "dbenv.set_lg_bsize(1048576);" line in db.cpp that's the cause of the trouble for me...
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587 2012-04-07 17:09:45 <sipa> rebroad: i seriously doubt that
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589 2012-04-07 17:21:04 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: dooglus opened issue 1057 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1057>
590 2012-04-07 17:21:17 <luke-jr> sipa: export-subst looks useful
591 2012-04-07 17:26:00 <mcorlett> What is the situation with TruCoin like? I know this isn't strictly related to development, but I figured the people in here would be more likely to give a good answer.
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596 2012-04-07 17:31:14 * luke-jr ponders why people registering projects with BitGit use his email all the time :P
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613 2012-04-07 18:52:49 <sipa> luke-jr: nice!
614 2012-04-07 18:53:03 <sipa> seems to be very powerful when used in a slightly hacky way
615 2012-04-07 18:53:31 <sipa> https://github.com/sipa/bitcoin/blob/buildinfo/src/version.cpp#L26
616 2012-04-07 18:55:57 <luke-jr> lol nice
617 2012-04-07 18:56:14 <luke-jr> but won't that redefine GIT_COMMIT if build.h has something too?
618 2012-04-07 18:56:26 <luke-jr> might need to ifdef+undef it first
619 2012-04-07 18:57:08 <sipa> build.h shouldn't define GIT_COMMIT :)
620 2012-04-07 18:58:15 <luke-jr> o
621 2012-04-07 18:58:56 <sipa> it's only used for git describe output now
622 2012-04-07 18:59:10 <sipa> so it doesn't require running from the project root either
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624 2012-04-07 19:07:19 <sipa> now only find a way to run the substitution processor inside gitian, so it's included in the build's src dir
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629 2012-04-07 19:25:13 <luke-jr> sipa: gitian doesn't have .git ?
630 2012-04-07 19:25:32 <luke-jr> are we allowed to rewrite gitian in a sane way? <.<
631 2012-04-07 19:29:56 <sipa> luke-jr: ?
632 2012-04-07 19:30:10 <sipa> gitian does a not git fetch inside the VM, it has everything
633 2012-04-07 19:30:22 <sipa> but the gitian output contains binaries + source
634 2012-04-07 19:30:41 <sipa> and i want that source to be the output of git-archive (i.e. processed by export-subst)
635 2012-04-07 19:31:01 <sipa> and not simply cp'd from the working copy
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639 2012-04-07 19:42:44 <luke-jr> sipa: i c, sounds easy enough
640 2012-04-07 19:42:52 <luke-jr> sipa: just have our gitian script do a git archive instead of cp
641 2012-04-07 19:43:05 <luke-jr> harder might be getting the installer source patched
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644 2012-04-07 19:46:02 <sipa> meh, does anyone use that on windows?
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648 2012-04-07 19:59:15 <riush_> is there a patch for a verifytx rpc command or something like that?
649 2012-04-07 20:00:11 <luke-jr> riush_: no, but I've been considering making one
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651 2012-04-07 20:01:28 <riush_> ah. yea it would be great to check alternate implementations.. and i imagine it wouldn't be much work for someone familiar with the code
652 2012-04-07 20:02:02 <riush_> i tried it once, managed to read a script, but failed creating the tx structure :p
653 2012-04-07 20:02:27 <luke-jr> riush_: check out Eloipool's source? :P
654 2012-04-07 20:04:17 <riush_> hm? that's in pyhon
655 2012-04-07 20:04:30 <luke-jr> yes
656 2012-04-07 20:04:36 <luke-jr> but it creates tx structures
657 2012-04-07 20:05:13 <riush_> yea, i can create a tx with ruby.. but i want to verify it against bitcoind
658 2012-04-07 20:05:53 <sipa> just submit a hex-encoded transaction, and get either a "ok, submitted to p2p network" or a "failed, because: ..."?
659 2012-04-07 20:06:48 <luke-jr> riush_: I'd do verifytx(txndata, prevblock)
660 2012-04-07 20:06:55 <luke-jr> => "failure reason"
661 2012-04-07 20:07:53 <luke-jr> hmm
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667 2012-04-07 20:11:21 <riush_> submit how? i know i can just relay it to the node and look at the logs.. but was hoping for someting more direct for debugging
668 2012-04-07 20:11:40 <sipa> it shouldn't be hard to write that
669 2012-04-07 20:11:57 <sipa> basically just an RPC call that deserializes, and pushes into AcceptToMemoryPool
670 2012-04-07 20:13:31 <riush_> yea, that's what i tried, but couldn't figure out how to create the tx in C++ ;)
671 2012-04-07 20:14:00 <luke-jr> check submitblock :P
672 2012-04-07 20:14:21 <luke-jr> sipa: it might make sense to have a verifytx that *doesn't* add to memorypoolâ¦
673 2012-04-07 20:15:51 <sipa> luke-jr: agree
674 2012-04-07 20:16:12 <sipa> seems reasonable for 0.7 to me
675 2012-04-07 20:17:35 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: or just a flag on verifytx to control that
676 2012-04-07 20:17:53 <gmaxwell> the next question is should it insert once if it inserts or treat it as a wallet txn and advertise it forever.
677 2012-04-07 20:18:51 <luke-jr> verifytx("txndata", {"share":true, "save":false, "prevblock":"fail unless prevblock is correct"})
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683 2012-04-07 20:47:05 <TD> hmm
684 2012-04-07 20:47:18 <TD> what happened on testnet at block 46739
685 2012-04-07 20:47:33 <TD> it's of min difficulty but it's -19 seconds from the previous block, not >20 minutes
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693 2012-04-07 20:58:37 <TD> urgh
694 2012-04-07 20:58:37 <TD> great
695 2012-04-07 20:58:40 <TD> there's a bug
696 2012-04-07 20:58:43 <TD> sipa: you there?
697 2012-04-07 20:58:49 <sipa> yes
698 2012-04-07 20:58:57 <sipa> what's the problem?
699 2012-04-07 20:59:27 <TD> // If the new block's timestamp is more than 2* 10 minutes
700 2012-04-07 20:59:27 <TD> // then allow mining of a min-difficulty block.
701 2012-04-07 20:59:28 <TD> if (pblock->nTime - pindexLast->nTime > nTargetSpacing*2)
702 2012-04-07 20:59:55 <TD> if a block has a timestamp that comes before the previous block this check won't work.
703 2012-04-07 21:00:10 <TD> at least not according to my little test
704 2012-04-07 21:00:19 <sipa> won't work, as in always succeed?
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706 2012-04-07 21:01:09 <TD> http://blockexplorer.com/testnet/block/00000000a29bea9ee5b1716d7ebd6e33691d92c4c8bb518db380d952840bfe54
707 2012-04-07 21:01:11 <TD> http://blockexplorer.com/testnet/block/0000000012e4d4f294b974c753316f636c3c0aa817cec9c3f1a1514fef707ae7
708 2012-04-07 21:01:13 <TD> here we see it
709 2012-04-07 21:01:22 <TD> 46739 has a min difficulty (branch was taken)
710 2012-04-07 21:01:24 <sipa> right; nTime is an unsigned integer
711 2012-04-07 21:01:42 <sipa> so you get an integer overflow when subtracting them
712 2012-04-07 21:01:56 <TD> yes
713 2012-04-07 21:02:12 <TD> maybe it's not worth fixing as it's just the testnet :(
714 2012-04-07 21:02:25 <TD> i can implement a workaround in bitcoinj (trying to implement the new rules now)
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716 2012-04-07 21:02:30 <sipa> there have been so many testnet forks the past few months/weeks, that i'd prefer doing a full reset instead of just fixing it
717 2012-04-07 21:03:01 <sipa> although those have been very interesting for seeing how the code dealt with such large reorganisations
718 2012-04-07 21:03:36 <TD> testnet is pretty broken by now. there are lots of un-upgraded nodes that are stuck tens of thousands of blocks behind
719 2012-04-07 21:03:42 <sipa> yes
720 2012-04-07 21:04:45 <sipa> there have been splits both by the new min-difficulty rules, a BIP16-incompatible block, and a BIP30-incompatible block (that last one introduced during testing of the BIP30 patch)
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723 2012-04-07 21:05:40 <TD> i wonder if we should just give up on the idea of public testnets
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726 2012-04-07 21:06:38 <sipa> maybe a --testnet=<id>, and tcp port and network magic bytes were derived using SHA256 from that id
727 2012-04-07 21:07:35 <TD> well, you can just point code at a testnet-in-a-box
728 2012-04-07 21:08:15 <sipa> sure, but sometimes a more-or-less public testnet is useful
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737 2012-04-07 21:30:13 <Samuel> Hello. ANyone here that's working on the Bitcoin app? I'd like to see if their are any new updates.
738 2012-04-07 21:31:13 <Eliel> since when?
739 2012-04-07 21:31:18 <luke-jr> Samuel: we're just doing cleanup now
740 2012-04-07 21:31:25 <BlueMatt> which app?
741 2012-04-07 21:31:49 <Samuel> Any snapshots?
742 2012-04-07 21:32:13 <sipa> BlueMatt: Bitcoin-Qt
743 2012-04-07 21:32:27 <BlueMatt> ah
744 2012-04-07 21:32:40 <sipa> Samuel: contrary to what you may think, most code changes don't actually have an effect on what the user sees
745 2012-04-07 21:33:55 <Samuel> sipa: Ok, well I'm all about the design! Last snapshot I saw their were some deisgn-related things I thought should be changed.
746 2012-04-07 21:34:33 <Samuel> *design
747 2012-04-07 21:35:24 <sipa> there have been almost 300 commits since 0.5.3, and more than 40 since 0.6.0, but almost no visible changes
748 2012-04-07 21:35:48 <luke-jr> sipa: 0.5 to 0.6 had quite a bit visibleâ¦
749 2012-04-07 21:36:07 <Samuel> What about all the design things tcatm and I came up with, the sidebar and all?
750 2012-04-07 21:36:14 <BlueMatt> well, hopefully 0.7 will get tcatm's new design
751 2012-04-07 21:36:19 <Samuel> ohh ok
752 2012-04-07 21:36:31 <BlueMatt> well, yours/tcatm's
753 2012-04-07 21:36:35 <sipa> luke-jr: adding of the sign message function and the add of a backup menu... that's it, no?
754 2012-04-07 21:36:37 <Samuel> Thats what I wanted an update on, tcatm's design
755 2012-04-07 21:36:43 <luke-jr> sipa: QR code
756 2012-04-07 21:36:44 <TD> even at ~1000 blocks per second waiting for the chain to download is pretty boring
757 2012-04-07 21:37:14 <sipa> luke-jr: oh yes
758 2012-04-07 21:37:15 <Samuel> brb
759 2012-04-07 21:37:41 <BlueMatt> Samuel: not sure tcatm has had the time to work on it that much, or atleast, I havent seen any updated screenshots
760 2012-04-07 21:37:54 <BlueMatt> Samuel: its gonna be a while before its merged anyway (got 0.6.1 first)
761 2012-04-07 21:38:46 <tcatm> I don't think the new design is a 0.7 thing. Maybe if we agree to merge the sidebar only first...
762 2012-04-07 21:39:06 <sipa> 0.7 is at least 2 months away
763 2012-04-07 21:39:23 <sipa> plenty of time
764 2012-04-07 21:39:38 <tcatm> Not much time to test a new GUI on all relevant platforms, though.
765 2012-04-07 21:40:09 <sipa> all depends on how large the required changes are - you know that better than anyone else here, i assume
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767 2012-04-07 21:43:33 <Samuel> Im back. Yeah, the design may take a bit to finalize but it can happen
768 2012-04-07 21:43:42 <Samuel> tcatm: any new screenshots?
769 2012-04-07 21:44:36 <tcatm> nope
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772 2012-04-07 21:44:58 <Samuel> can you link to latest version?
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774 2012-04-07 21:45:18 <BlueMatt> http://188.138.99.157/stuff/qtvert17.png
775 2012-04-07 21:45:19 <Samuel> last time I saw there were some things I saw that could be changed
776 2012-04-07 21:45:30 <BlueMatt> (is the last I see)
777 2012-04-07 21:45:43 <Samuel> yeah i think thats it thanks
778 2012-04-07 21:46:19 <TD> hmm i saw a slicker looking one
779 2012-04-07 21:46:28 <TD> well, i guess having big buttons on the side isn't actually a problem
780 2012-04-07 21:48:14 <tcatm> Samuel: better icons for the statusbar would be great
781 2012-04-07 21:48:47 <Samuel> Like the signal strength and stuff at the bottom left?
782 2012-04-07 21:48:58 <tcatm> yep
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784 2012-04-07 21:51:49 * luke-jr wonders when sipa is going to fix master :P
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786 2012-04-07 21:52:21 <sipa> luke-jr: the unit test problem?
787 2012-04-07 21:53:19 <sipa> #1052 fixes that
788 2012-04-07 21:54:04 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: fresh446 opened issue 1058 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1058>
789 2012-04-07 21:54:04 <Samuel> tcatm: http://cl.ly/0k0r3U3F2r0W241G1y17
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792 2012-04-07 21:55:32 <tcatm> I think the little line is some artefact I can't seem to reproduce.
793 2012-04-07 21:56:22 <Samuel> Hmmm
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796 2012-04-07 21:57:36 <Samuel> You are also using the old set of icons, didn't I send you the bigger ones along with a white set for when the tab is selected?
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800 2012-04-07 21:59:55 <tcatm> Samuel: Yep. I haven't found time to intergrate them yet. Also, changing the icons is a little tricky.
801 2012-04-07 22:00:31 <Samuel> Ok.
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804 2012-04-07 22:02:27 <Samuel> I'm working with a guy at https://paytunia.com/ on the Paytunia online wallet
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813 2012-04-07 22:13:25 <Samuel> See ya guys later. Gotta go
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822 2012-04-07 22:34:49 <BitAvenue> Hi
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832 2012-04-07 23:04:08 <[Tycho]> Hello.
833 2012-04-07 23:06:31 <TuxBlackEdo> hey [Tycho]
834 2012-04-07 23:06:37 <TuxBlackEdo> how's it going?
835 2012-04-07 23:06:41 <TuxBlackEdo> what are you up to?
836 2012-04-07 23:06:45 <TuxBlackEdo> anything new?
837 2012-04-07 23:06:49 <TuxBlackEdo> how's the family?
838 2012-04-07 23:06:52 <TuxBlackEdo> how's the dog?
839 2012-04-07 23:06:54 <TuxBlackEdo> how's the cat?
840 2012-04-07 23:06:57 <[Tycho]> Partially.
841 2012-04-07 23:07:11 <sipa> I would prefer my cat to be not too partial.
842 2012-04-07 23:07:21 <TuxBlackEdo> i am with sipa on this
843 2012-04-07 23:07:32 <sipa> That is, assuming I had a cat.
844 2012-04-07 23:09:11 <TuxBlackEdo> [Tycho], i would have kept going had you not said anything
845 2012-04-07 23:10:52 <t7> is there notation to describe the reverse of modulo? like 13 mod 5 = 3 and 3 unmod 5 = 3,8,13....
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847 2012-04-07 23:11:56 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: wizkoder opened issue 1060 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1060> || wizkoder opened issue 1059 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1059>
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850 2012-04-07 23:17:32 <TuxBlackEdo> t7, what mathematicians usually mean by "13 mod 5" is closer to {3, 8, 13, ...} than to 3 anyway.
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852 2012-04-07 23:20:25 <[Tycho]> A bit busy with the new projects - Icbit, Reclaimer and so on.
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854 2012-04-07 23:27:23 <luke-jr> [19:06:02] <sipa> I would prefer my cat to be not too partial. <-- this
855 2012-04-07 23:27:55 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: Deepbit should switch to Eloipool!
856 2012-04-07 23:28:01 <[Tycho]> Why ?
857 2012-04-07 23:28:10 RainbowDashh has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
858 2012-04-07 23:28:16 <[Tycho]> Our pool core is far more superior.
859 2012-04-07 23:28:37 <sipa> And horribly outdated.
860 2012-04-07 23:28:46 <gmaxwell> [Tycho]: How goes the sendmany deployment?
861 2012-04-07 23:29:02 <[Tycho]> http://scp-wiki.wdfiles.com/local--files/scp-529/SCP-529.jpg
862 2012-04-07 23:29:06 <gmaxwell> Figured out how to switch to using compressed public keys in your pay-to-publickey-transactions?
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864 2012-04-07 23:29:42 <[Tycho]> Not yet. It's in my to-do list, but "[Tycho]: A bit busy with the new projects - Icbit, Reclaimer and so on"
865 2012-04-07 23:29:42 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: no, Eloipool is more superior because it is easy to read, fast, and FREE SOFTWARE
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869 2012-04-07 23:30:06 <[Tycho]> Why do you think that free is better ?
870 2012-04-07 23:30:18 <[Tycho]> And why do you think that it is easier to read ?
871 2012-04-07 23:30:20 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: I have to explain the obvious? :<
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873 2012-04-07 23:30:34 * gmaxwell feeds deepbit to SCP-914 set to Very Fine in order to get a pool that doesn't suck.
874 2012-04-07 23:30:39 * luke-jr notes he said "easy", not "easier"
875 2012-04-07 23:30:43 <kingkatari> has any pool owners used Simplecoin???
876 2012-04-07 23:30:50 <luke-jr> kingkatari: I think so.
877 2012-04-07 23:31:09 <kingkatari> anyone familer with its setup
878 2012-04-07 23:31:18 <kingkatari> i am having some probs
879 2012-04-07 23:31:35 <luke-jr> outside of #bitcoin-poolowners, probably not.
880 2012-04-07 23:31:58 <[Tycho]> luke-jr: but you mentioned it as a reason why it is "more superior", so you are implying that it is easier to read.
881 2012-04-07 23:32:13 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: all 3 combined make it superior!
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885 2012-04-07 23:32:35 <[Tycho]> Is OzCoin using eloipool ?
886 2012-04-07 23:32:41 <luke-jr> no, they use ecoinpool
887 2012-04-07 23:32:56 <[Tycho]> Who is using eloipool then, besides Eligius ?
888 2012-04-07 23:32:57 <luke-jr> which is pretty cool
889 2012-04-07 23:33:03 <luke-jr> but I don't know Erlang
890 2012-04-07 23:33:09 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: TripleMining
891 2012-04-07 23:33:21 <[Tycho]> Eww, I hate exotic languages.
892 2012-04-07 23:33:32 <luke-jr> I don't hate them, but I prefer something I understand
893 2012-04-07 23:33:36 <[Tycho]> But I had to use ejabberd because there are no alternatives.
894 2012-04-07 23:33:37 <luke-jr> that's why I wrote Eloipool in Python.
895 2012-04-07 23:34:06 <gmaxwell> Erlang is at least an industrial languageâ not just a thought experiment or PHD-fodder. :)
896 2012-04-07 23:34:13 <[Tycho]> Deepbit's pool core is written in even more exotic language, but that's a long story.
897 2012-04-07 23:34:38 <luke-jr> everyone knows Python by now.
898 2012-04-07 23:35:13 <sipa> [Tycho]: which one? :D
899 2012-04-07 23:35:23 <sipa> VB.net?
900 2012-04-07 23:35:31 <sipa> PHP?
901 2012-04-07 23:35:33 <luke-jr> sipa: not even [Tycho] is that insane.
902 2012-04-07 23:35:45 <[Tycho]> No, that would be Icbit.
903 2012-04-07 23:35:49 <luke-jr> â¦
904 2012-04-07 23:36:00 <luke-jr> I hope you mean PHP for Icbit.
905 2012-04-07 23:36:01 <[Tycho]> (joke)
906 2012-04-07 23:36:07 <luke-jr> heh ok
907 2012-04-07 23:36:10 <[Tycho]> ICBIT is not in VB.
908 2012-04-07 23:36:18 <sturles> Intercal?
909 2012-04-07 23:36:22 <[Tycho]> But runs on Windows. Partially.
910 2012-04-07 23:36:22 <luke-jr> even VB6 is better than VB.net
911 2012-04-07 23:36:32 <sipa> sturles: i would be very impressed!
912 2012-04-07 23:36:39 * sturles too
913 2012-04-07 23:36:40 <luke-jr> I had to maintain a VB6 program once.
914 2012-04-07 23:36:49 <luke-jr> I wrote a Makefile that used WINE and VB6's CLI compilerâ¦
915 2012-04-07 23:39:10 <[Tycho]> My favorite language is C.
916 2012-04-07 23:39:27 <luke-jr> I do like C, but many people don't know it.
917 2012-04-07 23:39:36 <[Tycho]> Poor things.
918 2012-04-07 23:39:38 <luke-jr> and pushpool was already C.
919 2012-04-07 23:40:10 <[Tycho]> I never tried pushpool, but some people think it was not so good.
920 2012-04-07 23:40:16 <luke-jr> it sucks.
921 2012-04-07 23:40:24 <[Tycho]> And it was created after Deepbit, AFAIR.
922 2012-04-07 23:40:31 <luke-jr> probably.
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924 2012-04-07 23:40:47 <luke-jr> if Deepbit closed, Eligius would be the 2nd oldest pool
925 2012-04-07 23:40:51 <luke-jr> that would be cool.
926 2012-04-07 23:41:02 <[Tycho]> What about OneFixt ?
927 2012-04-07 23:41:11 <luke-jr> does it count, since he closed doors for many months?
928 2012-04-07 23:41:16 <luke-jr> hmm
929 2012-04-07 23:41:19 <[Tycho]> Partially.
930 2012-04-07 23:41:21 <OneFixt> hehe, bitpenny is a bit older than deepbit
931 2012-04-07 23:41:25 <luke-jr> like your cat.
932 2012-04-07 23:44:10 <[Tycho]> I wonder how they create P2SH addresses from scripts...
933 2012-04-07 23:44:33 <luke-jr> â¦
934 2012-04-07 23:45:10 <sipa> script -> sha256 -> sha160 -> prefix 0x05 -> base58
935 2012-04-07 23:45:17 <[Tycho]> I never tried to serialize things without bitcoind.
936 2012-04-07 23:45:32 <[Tycho]> Other parts are not a problem.
937 2012-04-07 23:45:36 <sipa> there's even PHP code that can do that :)
938 2012-04-07 23:45:50 <[Tycho]> I have PHP code to create addresses.
939 2012-04-07 23:46:14 * luke-jr ponders how to support P2SH for Eligius
940 2012-04-07 23:47:07 <[Tycho]> Paying to P2SH is not a problem since you don't need to create it, it's already provided by users.
941 2012-04-07 23:47:30 <[Tycho]> But receiving can be a challenge.
942 2012-04-07 23:47:38 <luke-jr> I'm thinking signmessage.
943 2012-04-07 23:47:46 <[Tycho]> What ?
944 2012-04-07 23:47:56 <luke-jr> I authenticate users by their address.
945 2012-04-07 23:48:03 <sipa> [Tycho]: just construct the script you want to pay to?
946 2012-04-07 23:48:06 <sipa> and hahs it
947 2012-04-07 23:48:08 <sipa> hash
948 2012-04-07 23:48:11 <luke-jr> but you can't exactly sign from P2SH :/
949 2012-04-07 23:48:16 <[Tycho]> sipa: and what about "serialization" ?
950 2012-04-07 23:48:31 <sipa> [Tycho]: ?
951 2012-04-07 23:48:47 <[Tycho]> The description mentions "serialized script".
952 2012-04-07 23:48:52 <sipa> yes
953 2012-04-07 23:49:04 <sipa> how are you going to store it, otherwise?
954 2012-04-07 23:49:33 <[Tycho]> As byte sequence.
955 2012-04-07 23:49:40 <sipa> = serialized
956 2012-04-07 23:49:58 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: pretty much it just means, you put a PUSH opcode before it
957 2012-04-07 23:50:07 <[Tycho]> luke-jr: where ?
958 2012-04-07 23:50:12 <luke-jr> â¦
959 2012-04-07 23:50:18 <luke-jr> before it.
960 2012-04-07 23:50:52 ab37 has joined
961 2012-04-07 23:51:03 <[Tycho]> Hmm.
962 2012-04-07 23:51:09 <sipa> ok, assume the script you want to push is "3 7", which would be serialized as 0x0307
963 2012-04-07 23:51:20 <sipa> no, wait
964 2012-04-07 23:51:25 <[Tycho]> But this opcode is not included in hashed part ?
965 2012-04-07 23:51:36 <[Tycho]> 3 7 is not 0307
966 2012-04-07 23:51:51 <luke-jr> 3037
967 2012-04-07 23:52:11 <ab37> Can anyone help me set up my bitcoin miner on ubuntu 10.10 64bit w/ nvidia geforce 6150SE?
968 2012-04-07 23:52:12 <[Tycho]> 0x5357
969 2012-04-07 23:52:31 <sipa> [Tycho] is right
970 2012-04-07 23:52:33 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: SW?
971 2012-04-07 23:52:35 <ab37> or direct me somewhere i can find help
972 2012-04-07 23:52:40 <[Tycho]> SW ?
973 2012-04-07 23:52:44 <sipa> ab37: #bitcoin-mining
974 2012-04-07 23:52:45 <luke-jr> ab37: nobody will waste their time
975 2012-04-07 23:52:49 <luke-jr> 0x5357 = "SW"
976 2012-04-07 23:53:04 <[Tycho]> Oh, I thought SW = Sorry, What ?
977 2012-04-07 23:53:09 <ab37> sipa: thank you
978 2012-04-07 23:53:42 <sipa> [Tycho]: anyway, inside the scriptSig you get the script 'push 0x5357', which itself is serialized as 0x025357
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980 2012-04-07 23:54:01 <ab37> @ Luke-JR worth a try i all ready tryed google but came up with tutorials that where outdated
981 2012-04-07 23:54:06 <[Tycho]> sipa: and I'm hashing only 5357, without push ?
982 2012-04-07 23:54:12 <luke-jr> ab37: that's because *nobody* mines on nvidia
983 2012-04-07 23:54:12 <sipa> [Tycho]: indeed
984 2012-04-07 23:55:01 <forsetifox> 6150SE is oneboard also? So it's really really bad for mining.
985 2012-04-07 23:55:25 <[Tycho]> sipa: is current bitcoind capable of sending to P2SH ?
986 2012-04-07 23:55:32 <ab37> look i know that im not dumb just poor i found somone willing to invest i just need proof of concept
987 2012-04-07 23:55:46 <ab37> and he will invest in good hardware
988 2012-04-07 23:56:14 <sipa> [Tycho]: on testnet, yes
989 2012-04-07 23:56:18 <ab37> i just have the position of somewhat knowing how to set it up
990 2012-04-07 23:56:22 <sipa> 0.6.1 will enable it on mainnet
991 2012-04-07 23:56:35 <[Tycho]> Enable what exactly ?
992 2012-04-07 23:56:50 <forsetifox> You've got about 7-8 months till the reward changes. You may not pay the hardware off in time. And you have to pay for power too?
993 2012-04-07 23:56:59 <[Tycho]> Will 0.6 allow P2SH in "sendtoaddress" ?
994 2012-04-07 23:57:16 <luke-jr> sipa: I think you can send on mainnet in 0.6.0 too
995 2012-04-07 23:57:39 <forsetifox> Try guiminer ab37.
996 2012-04-07 23:57:45 <luke-jr> â¦
997 2012-04-07 23:58:27 <[Tycho]> sipa: do I need anything else besides 0x025357 in redeeming script ?
998 2012-04-07 23:59:06 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: you need 5357 to be a valid script :p
999 2012-04-07 23:59:07 <sipa> [Tycho]: yes, the inputs to the redeeming script
1000 2012-04-07 23:59:15 <sipa> luke-jr: you're right
1001 2012-04-07 23:59:26 <sipa> [Tycho]: send to p2sh address should work in 0.6.0, yes
1002 2012-04-07 23:59:30 <[Tycho]> 5357 should be valid enough, no ?
1003 2012-04-07 23:59:42 <sipa> [Tycho]: it is, but it's a bit of a pointless script
1004 2012-04-07 23:59:51 <sipa> (it's always valid)