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24 2012-04-11 00:35:14 <BlueMattBot> Project Bitcoin build #278: STILL FAILING in 16 sec: http://jenkins.bluematt.me/job/Bitcoin/278/
25 2012-04-11 00:35:15 <BlueMattBot> pieter.wuille: Force regeneration of build.h in qmake builds
26 2012-04-11 00:35:21 <BlueMatt> fuck off BlueMattBot
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28 2012-04-11 00:37:32 <luke-jr> lol
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33 2012-04-11 01:17:46 <TuxBlackEdo> i got some beef to pick with you guys
34 2012-04-11 01:17:52 <TuxBlackEdo> hear me out
35 2012-04-11 01:18:11 <TuxBlackEdo> I look at my "about bitcoin" thing to figure out what my version # is
36 2012-04-11 01:18:13 <TuxBlackEdo> and it says
37 2012-04-11 01:18:21 <TuxBlackEdo> 0.6.0.6-beta
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39 2012-04-11 01:18:34 <TuxBlackEdo> so i got to http://bitcoin.org/ to check if i got the latest version
40 2012-04-11 01:18:36 <TuxBlackEdo> and it says
41 2012-04-11 01:18:44 <TuxBlackEdo> Latest version: 0.6.0
42 2012-04-11 01:18:45 <Diablo-D3> thats 0.6.0 final
43 2012-04-11 01:18:50 <Diablo-D3> they habitually fuck version strings up
44 2012-04-11 01:18:57 <BlueMatt> 0.6.0.X == 0.6.0rcX
45 2012-04-11 01:19:00 <BlueMatt> rc6 == final
46 2012-04-11 01:19:02 <TuxBlackEdo> oh.. well there's my answer
47 2012-04-11 01:19:07 <luke-jr> mine says
48 2012-04-11 01:19:12 <Diablo-D3> bluematt: bitcoin devs == FUCKING LAZY
49 2012-04-11 01:19:17 <luke-jr> Bitcoin version v0.6.0-163-g8a77024-beta
50 2012-04-11 01:19:32 <BlueMatt> Diablo-D3: the0.6 version numbers are...maybe not perfect
51 2012-04-11 01:20:04 <luke-jr> sipa: is this a bug in your buildinfo branch? shouldn't it be 0.6.0.6 at least?
52 2012-04-11 01:20:19 <sipa> luke-jr: no, it uses git tags
53 2012-04-11 01:20:29 <sipa> and the git tag is v0.6.0
54 2012-04-11 01:20:34 <luke-jr> sipa: how does it work for alerts?
55 2012-04-11 01:20:41 <sipa> independent
56 2012-04-11 01:20:51 <luke-jr> so it's still 60006+?
57 2012-04-11 01:21:18 <luke-jr> or wait, alerts use the protocol version still, don't that?
58 2012-04-11 01:21:20 <luke-jr> they*
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60 2012-04-11 01:22:49 * sipa just realized that this means we will have to do a rebuild before a final release
61 2012-04-11 01:23:22 <sipa> as it uses git tags, the version reported will actually include the rcN part for release candidates
62 2012-04-11 01:23:25 <sipa> which is probably a good thing
63 2012-04-11 01:24:35 <luke-jr> I think it's worth it.
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68 2012-04-11 01:38:51 <sipa> BlueMatt: care to do a jenkins build of boostpaths?
69 2012-04-11 01:39:21 <BlueMatt> sure, one sec
70 2012-04-11 01:40:23 <BlueMatt> sipa: http://jenkins.bluematt.me/job/Bitcoin-Testing-Build/22/console
71 2012-04-11 01:40:26 <BlueMatt> uhh...
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73 2012-04-11 01:43:08 <sipa> BlueMatt: trying to figure out what's happening there
74 2012-04-11 01:43:21 <BlueMatt> is the build script bad?
75 2012-04-11 01:43:40 <sipa> it's a custom build script?
76 2012-04-11 01:44:05 <BlueMatt> not custom makefile, simple bash script to call the makefile
77 2012-04-11 01:44:20 <BlueMatt> starts with
78 2012-04-11 01:44:20 <sipa> that should work...
79 2012-04-11 01:44:20 <BlueMatt> echo "#!/bin/bash
80 2012-04-11 01:44:21 <BlueMatt> set -e
81 2012-04-11 01:44:21 <BlueMatt> git clean -f -x -d
82 2012-04-11 01:44:21 <BlueMatt> cd src
83 2012-04-11 01:44:21 <BlueMatt> make -j4 -f makefile.unix
84 2012-04-11 01:45:26 <sipa> works fine here
85 2012-04-11 01:46:48 <sipa> actually, now it doesn't
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91 2012-04-11 01:56:40 <fpgaminer> Wasn't the generating code supposed to be removed from bitcoind? I still see the code on GitHub:master
92 2012-04-11 01:56:54 <luke-jr> fpgaminer: no, just hidden and de-optimized
93 2012-04-11 01:57:06 <fpgaminer> luke-jr: Any reason it's still lingering?
94 2012-04-11 01:57:16 <luke-jr> fpgaminer: not afaik
95 2012-04-11 01:57:50 <fpgaminer> luke-jr: mmkay. Thank you for the answer :)
96 2012-04-11 01:57:55 <sipa> just to serve as reference and for testnet
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98 2012-04-11 02:01:08 * fpgaminer is attempting to grok the bitcoind code and doesn't want to be distracted by vestigial code
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102 2012-04-11 02:03:19 <sipa> fpgaminer: poor you
103 2012-04-11 02:04:14 <fpgaminer> sipa: hmm? The code hasn't driven me insane yet...
104 2012-04-11 02:04:51 <luke-jr> sipa: there is a python miner in contrib ;)
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107 2012-04-11 02:08:23 <fpgaminer> Wow ... the code supports multiple wallets. Interesting.
108 2012-04-11 02:09:22 <luke-jr> fpgaminer: that's a recent addition
109 2012-04-11 02:09:30 <luke-jr> thanks to sipa
110 2012-04-11 02:09:40 <sipa> recent... was added in 0.3.24 afaik
111 2012-04-11 02:09:44 <fpgaminer> heh
112 2012-04-11 02:10:08 <sipa> before 0.3.24 all blockchain-handling code and wallet-handling code was mixed in main.cpp
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118 2012-04-11 02:43:32 <luke-jr> etotheipi_: ping
119 2012-04-11 02:44:41 <etotheipi_> luke-jr: ACK
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123 2012-04-11 02:48:29 <Joric> http://brainwallet.org got an rfc1751 converter, funny thing
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125 2012-04-11 02:49:25 <Joric> seems a bit too long to memorize for 32-bytes keys if it's even applicable for those
126 2012-04-11 02:49:43 <Joric> STAY FRED ED PAN NAME CAB HOSE SLOW PAR PEG WIFE HAAG MAY DEFY EACH ORAL MEAL KERR JUST LEND YE TUCK NET NAT
127 2012-04-11 02:50:20 <luke-jr> etotheipi_: is Armory a full node, other than the stupid network node thing?>
128 2012-04-11 02:50:59 <etotheipi_> luke-jr: negative ... Armory still relies heavily on the Satoshi client for networking and maintaining/verifying the blockchain
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136 2012-04-11 02:59:47 <MasterChief> brainwallet?
137 2012-04-11 03:00:00 <MasterChief> what is the right not to invriminate oneself lol
138 2012-04-11 03:01:09 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/pull/32 is ready for some reviewing IMO
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140 2012-04-11 03:02:34 <luke-jr> http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/screenshots/snapshot81.png
141 2012-04-11 03:04:08 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: luke-jr opened pull request 32 on bitcoin/bitcoin.org <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/pull/32>
142 2012-04-11 03:04:17 <BlueMatt> put developers/servers for bitcoind audience
143 2012-04-11 03:04:19 <BlueMatt> imho
144 2012-04-11 03:04:35 <BlueMatt> also, looks cool
145 2012-04-11 03:04:59 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: that'd be a bit long?
146 2012-04-11 03:05:17 <BlueMatt> i would prefer just servers over just developers imho, but its not a big deal either way
147 2012-04-11 03:08:21 <luke-jr> comment on that line of code and let's see what others think
148 2012-04-11 03:08:38 <luke-jr> probably other things that could be improved too I imagine
149 2012-04-11 03:10:22 <luke-jr> also need someone to fill in info for the Android Bitcoin Wallet ;)
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152 2012-04-11 03:13:22 <Joric> MultiBit needs 1 hour? since when? lemme check
153 2012-04-11 03:15:29 <Joric> started downloading - 9:14 GMT
154 2012-04-11 03:16:07 <luke-jr> Joric: it did on my mac at least
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158 2012-04-11 03:18:12 <Joric> sry 03:14 GMT )
159 2012-04-11 03:19:13 <Joric> i'm wondering there's a half of progress bar and it says 600 blocks to download
160 2012-04-11 03:20:13 <Joric> finished 03:18 GMT
161 2012-04-11 03:20:17 <Joric> 4 minutes
162 2012-04-11 03:20:28 <luke-jr> first run?
163 2012-04-11 03:20:31 <Joric> yes
164 2012-04-11 03:20:48 <luke-jr> odd
165 2012-04-11 03:20:56 <Joric> number of blocks in tooltip: 175179
166 2012-04-11 03:21:05 <luke-jr> what tooltip?
167 2012-04-11 03:21:10 <Joric> it took the same time before
168 2012-04-11 03:21:16 <luke-jr> oh, it has one
169 2012-04-11 03:22:20 <Joric> bitcoinjs always was pretty fast i still not sure how it works
170 2012-04-11 03:22:37 <Joric> multibit.blockchain - 18 megs
171 2012-04-11 03:22:54 <luke-jr> Joric: I'm including the .app size
172 2012-04-11 03:23:01 <Joric> didn't try to send anything though
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233 2012-04-11 06:15:57 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: laanwj opened issue 1076 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1076>
234 2012-04-11 06:17:48 <Joric> developers never get good news, ever
235 2012-04-11 06:18:10 <Joric> also 'New news'
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243 2012-04-11 06:45:56 <nanotube> it's a piece of news, and it's new. :) obv.
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292 2012-04-11 09:24:31 <MasterChief> how do i get to where a projects versions history is on github
293 2012-04-11 09:24:56 <Diablo-D3> you press the thing that says commits?
294 2012-04-11 09:25:46 <MasterChief> ok now i have something like looks like a facebook wall for nerds
295 2012-04-11 09:26:30 <Diablo-D3> welcome to github.
296 2012-04-11 09:27:04 <MasterChief> where can i just browse by version number
297 2012-04-11 09:27:13 <Diablo-D3> because git doesnt have version numbers.
298 2012-04-11 09:27:30 <Diablo-D3> it has non-sequential cryptographic hashes.
299 2012-04-11 09:28:26 <MasterChief> goddamit
300 2012-04-11 09:28:34 <MasterChief> versions are just too mainstream
301 2012-04-11 09:29:03 <Diablo-D3> wait, are you being dumb and trying to ask for bitcoin versions?
302 2012-04-11 09:29:13 <MasterChief> no
303 2012-04-11 09:29:19 <Diablo-D3> because theres git tags for those
304 2012-04-11 09:29:35 <MasterChief> and what praytell is a git tag
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306 2012-04-11 09:29:55 <Diablo-D3> a pointer.
307 2012-04-11 09:30:19 <MasterChief> what is a pointer
308 2012-04-11 09:30:29 <Diablo-D3> ...
309 2012-04-11 09:30:38 * Diablo-D3 washes his hands of this
310 2012-04-11 09:31:04 <MasterChief> oh ill just go away and not learn anything then
311 2012-04-11 09:31:27 <Diablo-D3> if you dont even know what a pointer is, I think that would be best
312 2012-04-11 09:32:51 <MasterChief> it could be something simple like a peice of metadata that points at a specific asset
313 2012-04-11 09:33:04 <Diablo-D3> its a pointer.
314 2012-04-11 09:33:11 <MasterChief> or it could be any type of esoteric coder nerd speak really
315 2012-04-11 09:33:13 <MasterChief> i dont know do it
316 2012-04-11 09:33:29 <gjs278> it point
317 2012-04-11 09:33:32 <Diablo-D3> well, okay, we can call it a tag.
318 2012-04-11 09:33:38 <Diablo-D3> git tags _are tags_
319 2012-04-11 09:33:43 <Diablo-D3> IT DOES EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS ON THE TIN
320 2012-04-11 09:34:04 <MasterChief> thats all you had to say
321 2012-04-11 09:34:13 <Diablo-D3> @#%$@!^@^!#%^!!#$!#%!#@
322 2012-04-11 09:34:22 <gjs278> joining that channel
323 2012-04-11 09:37:26 <MasterChief> how useful, bithub locks up my entire computer on the page i want
324 2012-04-11 09:39:08 <MasterChief> i 3 different browsers no less, oh github you are so useful
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329 2012-04-11 09:45:28 <mod6> that was pretty classic.
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333 2012-04-11 09:51:56 <Cryo> worst trolling ever.
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350 2012-04-11 10:57:27 <Diapolo> Has some dev here a pre-compiled qrencode.a with the qrencode.h for use with MinGW on Win?
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367 2012-04-11 12:03:42 <UukGoblin> aaargh I'm getting a headache from all this little<->big endian conversions!
368 2012-04-11 12:04:12 <UukGoblin> :q
369 2012-04-11 12:06:57 <etotheipi_> UukGoblin: there are support groups for that
370 2012-04-11 12:07:14 <UukGoblin> what, anonymous hashers?
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372 2012-04-11 12:10:59 <etotheipi_> UukGoblin: if you have questions I can probably help
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374 2012-04-11 12:11:09 <etotheipi_> I've battled all this stuff to my wits' end
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376 2012-04-11 12:11:41 <UukGoblin> right... I'm trying to link my coinbase transaction to the merkle_root of a block
377 2012-04-11 12:12:28 <UukGoblin> I have what I getauxblock returned to me (from p2pool), which is basically this struct at the top of https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Merged_mining_specification
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379 2012-04-11 12:12:58 <etotheipi_> oh, I don't know anything about merged mining
380 2012-04-11 12:13:01 <etotheipi_> but I'll take a look
381 2012-04-11 12:13:06 <UukGoblin> so I have my full coinbase txn, and I have a merkle_link - I'm trying to re-do all the hashing to arrive at merkle_root (which I believe is also stored in parent_block)
382 2012-04-11 12:15:06 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: sipa opened pull request 1077 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1077>
383 2012-04-11 12:15:42 <UukGoblin> etotheipi_, if you can be bothered, here is all the info I think is relevant here: http://lev.uukgoblin.net/goblin/mm_help/stuff.txt
384 2012-04-11 12:16:00 <UukGoblin> and here is the entire coinbase transaction: http://lev.uukgoblin.net/goblin/mm_help/coinbase_txn.hex
385 2012-04-11 12:16:19 <UukGoblin> (which I hope I have hashed correctly to a5a7d1fc3bdf6597e7cffb68536184687d0a9e44980b882534536fa917e81771)
386 2012-04-11 12:16:32 <UukGoblin> (or the reverse of it, depending how you want to represent it)
387 2012-04-11 12:16:34 <etotheipi_> that's a hell of a tx
388 2012-04-11 12:16:45 <etotheipi_> or is that all tx?
389 2012-04-11 12:16:58 <UukGoblin> that's just coinbase, it's all p2pool's payouts to people
390 2012-04-11 12:17:04 <etotheipi_> ooh, right
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392 2012-04-11 12:19:03 <UukGoblin> http://lev.uukgoblin.net/goblin/mm_help/getauxblock.txt is all that I got from p2pool's getauxblock response ;-)
393 2012-04-11 12:19:19 <UukGoblin> I've written a bit of perl that parses all that hex
394 2012-04-11 12:19:30 <UukGoblin> so I have it nicely in perl hashes
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396 2012-04-11 12:22:10 <etotheipi_> bah, perl
397 2012-04-11 12:22:15 <etotheipi_> python is the way, man :)
398 2012-04-11 12:22:30 <etotheipi_> all the benefits of perl without having to actually use perl :)
399 2012-04-11 12:22:37 <UukGoblin> heheh
400 2012-04-11 12:22:58 <UukGoblin> I really like being able to 1. specify what my variables are, 2. jump between { } with % in vim ;-)
401 2012-04-11 12:23:01 <etotheipi_> btw, I get a5a7d1fc like you
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403 2012-04-11 12:23:33 <etotheipi_> okay, I admid that not being able to % in vim with python is mildly annoying
404 2012-04-11 12:23:51 <etotheipi_> but that's like a 2% annoyance for 200% more pleasantness
405 2012-04-11 12:24:45 <UukGoblin> I'm slowly learning python
406 2012-04-11 12:26:26 <etotheipi_> it's worth it
407 2012-04-11 12:26:38 <UukGoblin> so basically, I take the hash of my coinbase, reverse the bytes in it, and then take the first hash from the merkle link, and I reverse bytes in it too, and then double-sha256 the concatenation
408 2012-04-11 12:27:02 <etotheipi_> you are reversing the "bytes" right? not just the hex
409 2012-04-11 12:27:57 <UukGoblin> that gets me 7ec1 3330 6ff5 2238 2d64 0149 aa38 1766 af4a e65f dbc8 4474 c9d8 88a9 305b f498, and when I follow it up like that (placing the previous hash on the left (without reversing it), and the next merkle branch on the right (with reversing it)), that gets me to 85d8 cab1 9ece 5928 f73e 7366 7fe8 95ed 4cee 76ac 0d19 81bd d544 b758 e98b 0bb4
410 2012-04-11 12:28:03 <UukGoblin> yeah, I'm reversing bytes
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412 2012-04-11 12:29:23 <UukGoblin> actually, there's a check_merkle_link function in p2pool, I'm gonna try feed my data to it and see if I arrive at 0f0844ee4a4237737f683205b9d4218c2d432ef147b75dda9f41504bb982085f
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415 2012-04-11 12:29:41 <UukGoblin> if I do, then I'll be able to debug it and work out how it works
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417 2012-04-11 12:31:10 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: Diapolo opened pull request 1078 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1078>
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428 2012-04-11 12:35:27 <UukGoblin> aand no, I've arrived at yet another random-looking hash
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430 2012-04-11 12:35:59 <UukGoblin> now let's try reverse some inputs
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434 2012-04-11 12:38:42 <etotheipi_> yeah, I realized I don't this merged mining stuff ... and I'm not in the mood to figure it out right now
435 2012-04-11 12:39:03 <UukGoblin> no worries, I'm not surprised
436 2012-04-11 12:39:14 <UukGoblin> thanks for trying anyway
437 2012-04-11 12:39:58 <etotheipi_> if you can form the questions in terms of vanilla Bitcoin protocol, I might be able to help :)
438 2012-04-11 12:40:58 <UukGoblin> yeah unfortunately this mrkllink is not part of it I don't think ;-/
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440 2012-04-11 12:45:40 <etotheipi_> btw, Uuk: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1139081/PythonSeminar.pdf
441 2012-04-11 12:46:15 <etotheipi_> It's missing a few details, like I botched exception-handling at the end, but there's still plenty of goodies in there
442 2012-04-11 12:49:11 <UukGoblin> heh, nice xkcd that, thanks ;-)
443 2012-04-11 12:50:10 <UukGoblin> right, at iteration #3, when I reversed pretty much every argument, I finally arrived at the right merkle root :-D
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445 2012-04-11 12:52:23 <Diapolo> wumpus: That could be of interest for you - https://qt.nokia.com/products/changes/changes-4.8.1
446 2012-04-11 12:53:03 <luke-jr> etotheipi_: Python can't come close to Perl
447 2012-04-11 12:53:10 <etotheipi_> luke-jr: why not?
448 2012-04-11 12:53:38 <luke-jr> etotheipi_: because Python is ugh and Perl is yay
449 2012-04-11 12:53:53 <etotheipi_> oh, excellent reason luke-jr
450 2012-04-11 12:55:11 <etotheipi_> I admit, I haven't done much perl before, but the little I did was a disaster
451 2012-04-11 12:55:21 <etotheipi_> python is like speaking English to your computer and it understands
452 2012-04-11 12:55:40 <upb> python is not kosher
453 2012-04-11 12:55:42 <luke-jr> you have to actually learn Perl before you can sanely use it
454 2012-04-11 12:55:43 <upb> or halal
455 2012-04-11 12:55:47 <upb> perl is both
456 2012-04-11 12:56:00 <UukGoblin> yeah, I know a lot of perl, and it all depends on how good the coder is ;-]
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458 2012-04-11 12:56:28 <UukGoblin> Moose is an awesome OO framework if you need OO, I haven't seen a better one yet
459 2012-04-11 12:56:46 <luke-jr> …
460 2012-04-11 12:56:49 <luke-jr> Perl has native OO.
461 2012-04-11 12:56:51 <luke-jr> Moose is a joke IMO
462 2012-04-11 12:57:01 <UukGoblin> nah, perl's native OO is too much of a hack
463 2012-04-11 12:57:08 <UukGoblin> I mean it works, but Moose is so much nicer
464 2012-04-11 12:57:09 <luke-jr> Perl's native OO is nice and pure.
465 2012-04-11 12:57:27 <UukGoblin> nice-looking, maybe; nice-to-use? naah
466 2012-04-11 12:57:44 <luke-jr> if anything, the inverse. :p
467 2012-04-11 12:57:45 <bobke> seems like one is talking about perl6 and one about perl5
468 2012-04-11 12:58:36 <UukGoblin> perl6? what?
469 2012-04-11 12:58:51 <luke-jr> UukGoblin: Perl6 is basically a "throw away everything and start over"
470 2012-04-11 12:59:06 <UukGoblin> bobke, Duke Nukem Forever ACTUALLY came out, go figure
471 2012-04-11 12:59:32 <bobke> anyone stating perl5 OO is nice is insane
472 2012-04-11 12:59:38 <bobke> it's all hash hacks
473 2012-04-11 12:59:45 <bobke> anyway, gtg
474 2012-04-11 12:59:48 <luke-jr> bobke: that's what class-based OO is.
475 2012-04-11 12:59:59 <luke-jr> it's the same style as C++ really
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478 2012-04-11 13:04:16 <UukGoblin> ok, today's lesson was: don't store binary data in bash variables
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481 2012-04-11 13:06:34 <luke-jr> lol
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494 2012-04-11 13:22:58 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: Diapolo opened issue 1079 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1079>
495 2012-04-11 13:23:11 <Diapolo> oooops I did it again ...
496 2012-04-11 13:24:01 <gmaxwell> Diapolo: thats a bit confusing.. you're opening an issue saying they don't show, and then suggesting that they don't show?
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498 2012-04-11 13:25:55 <Diapolo> I suggest to remove them ... I can rephrase the headline
499 2012-04-11 13:27:46 <Diapolo> gmaxwell: :-P
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513 2012-04-11 14:09:06 <jgarzik> TD: can you update the list on https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Bitcoin_Improvement_Proposals also?
514 2012-04-11 14:09:20 <jgarzik> TD: hopefully we'll pull 'pong' today
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542 2012-04-11 15:09:41 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: luke-jr opened issue 1080 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1080>
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546 2012-04-11 15:18:46 <UukGoblin> so with this python... it's sometimes hex(foo), but sometimes foo.encode('hex')
547 2012-04-11 15:18:49 <UukGoblin> consistency ftw!
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551 2012-04-11 15:23:27 <etotheipi_> graingert: FYI I already changed my mind: I just discovered the font Inconsolata (http://levien.com/type/myfonts/inconsolata.html)
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553 2012-04-11 15:25:42 <graingert> ic
554 2012-04-11 15:26:03 <[Tycho]> Wow, it even contains turtle sign :)
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556 2012-04-11 15:26:23 <etotheipi_> our conversation yesterday inspired me to look up new fonts...
557 2012-04-11 15:26:37 <etotheipi_> inconsolata scales remarkably well, too
558 2012-04-11 15:27:15 <etotheipi_> oh, and it inspired me to hook up a third monitor, haha ... I just decided that two 1920x1200 monitors was insufficient
559 2012-04-11 15:27:24 <luke-jr> etotheipi_: get him to put it under a free license, and add the Bitcoin symbol :p
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563 2012-04-11 15:27:52 <etotheipi_> luke-jr: maybe Mike Hearn can help... that guy is from google
564 2012-04-11 15:28:35 <luke-jr> etotheipi_: … so?
565 2012-04-11 15:29:23 <etotheipi_> luke-jr: you want a BTC symbol... it's a lot easier to convince him from within
566 2012-04-11 15:30:12 <graingert> you'll need to get the bhatt added to UTF-8
567 2012-04-11 15:30:20 <graingert> well it's not the bhatt
568 2012-04-11 15:30:23 <luke-jr> …
569 2012-04-11 15:30:24 <graingert> because it has two bars
570 2012-04-11 15:30:28 <luke-jr> graingert: it's already in Unicode
571 2012-04-11 15:30:31 <etotheipi_> it's baht
572 2012-04-11 15:30:37 <luke-jr> B⃦ isn't Baht
573 2012-04-11 15:30:37 <graingert> it's not baht either
574 2012-04-11 15:30:42 <graingert> it's not that either
575 2012-04-11 15:30:46 <luke-jr> yes it is
576 2012-04-11 15:30:48 <etotheipi_> btw, I speak Thai
577 2012-04-11 15:30:50 <graingert> the two lines do not go through the char
578 2012-04-11 15:30:55 <luke-jr> graingert: that's a font matter.
579 2012-04-11 15:30:56 <etotheipi_> I assure you, it's "Baht"
580 2012-04-11 15:31:04 <etotheipi_> :)
581 2012-04-11 15:31:08 <luke-jr> etotheipi_: B⃦ is BTC, not Baht
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583 2012-04-11 15:31:44 <etotheipi_> luke-jr: I was talking about the english-bastardized spelling
584 2012-04-11 15:31:57 <etotheipi_> Baht is 1 line
585 2012-04-11 15:32:03 <etotheipi_> BTC is 2 lines
586 2012-04-11 15:32:14 <etotheipi_> but for most purposes, it's indistinguishable
587 2012-04-11 15:32:32 <etotheipi_> I mean, for random text on IRC, etc... anything bigger than 16 pt though, it probably matters
588 2012-04-11 15:35:45 <etotheipi_> à ¸¿
589 2012-04-11 15:36:27 <etotheipi_> did that show up?
590 2012-04-11 15:36:34 <etotheipi_> it's been a long time since I tried typing Thai
591 2012-04-11 15:40:14 <etotheipi_> python tells me the ... unicode? ... of that character is 0xe0b8bf
592 2012-04-11 15:41:13 <UukGoblin> this B\u20e6 looks fugly
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594 2012-04-11 15:41:57 <UukGoblin> the bars are too far on the right
595 2012-04-11 15:42:23 <luke-jr> UukGoblin: that's a font issue
596 2012-04-11 15:42:32 <luke-jr> why I suggested getting that font guy to make his font handle it nicely
597 2012-04-11 15:44:53 <UukGoblin> nodnod
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601 2012-04-11 15:46:11 <etotheipi_> thai looks surprisingly good in a gnome-terminal using inconsolata 12pt: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1139081/terminal_thai_inconsolata.png
602 2012-04-11 15:46:45 <etotheipi_> xterm... not so much...
603 2012-04-11 15:47:26 <UukGoblin> I really like -misc-fixed-medium-r-*-*-10-*
604 2012-04-11 15:47:53 <UukGoblin> it's nice and sharp
605 2012-04-11 15:49:32 <etotheipi_> should I be embarrassed that I don't want to swap GPUs because it would damage my 77 days of uptime?
606 2012-04-11 15:50:07 <UukGoblin> etotheipi_, generally speaking, no
607 2012-04-11 15:50:19 <UukGoblin> imho, also no
608 2012-04-11 15:51:32 <etotheipi_> I'll blame my hesitance on having to shutdown 2 VMs and like 12 vim sessions
609 2012-04-11 15:51:53 <UukGoblin> can't you hibernate the VMs?
610 2012-04-11 15:52:22 <etotheipi_> UukGoblin: I"ve had problems with VirtualBox that usually leads to the paused sessions getting corrupted
611 2012-04-11 15:52:30 <etotheipi_> and then I have to restart them anywya
612 2012-04-11 15:52:59 <UukGoblin> meh, that hibernate was always hacky ;-P
613 2012-04-11 15:53:25 <etotheipi_> alright, brb
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615 2012-04-11 15:53:45 <UukGoblin> heh, cause swapping GPUs always goes so smoothly
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627 2012-04-11 16:14:19 <helo> as long as it isn't nvidia for ati... on ubuntu tends to require booting without splash, and init=/bin/bash to disable X :/
628 2012-04-11 16:15:34 <luke-jr> UukGoblin: well, I don't have problems swapping GPUs without rebooting…
629 2012-04-11 16:15:50 <luke-jr> a Linux kernel developer called me brave :P
630 2012-04-11 16:17:28 <UukGoblin> luke-jr, what..? how?
631 2012-04-11 16:17:42 <UukGoblin> like you mean, with hibernation?
632 2012-04-11 16:17:44 <luke-jr> UukGoblin: suspend-to-RAM, remove/add, wakeup
633 2012-04-11 16:17:53 <UukGoblin> mhm
634 2012-04-11 16:18:13 <luke-jr> https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42980#c2
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636 2012-04-11 16:24:49 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: can I ask about the details of how you set up vt-d in kvm?
637 2012-04-11 16:25:05 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: sure.
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639 2012-04-11 16:25:18 <BlueMatt> care to elaborate?
640 2012-04-11 16:25:43 * BlueMatt is probably gonna set it up, not for mining, but for windows gaming while having linux running on the same desktop
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642 2012-04-11 16:26:04 <luke-jr> $ ( git lol -n1 ; cat script; )|wgetpaste
643 2012-04-11 16:26:05 <luke-jr> Your paste can be seen here: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/579570/
644 2012-04-11 16:26:26 <yavuz> hi, i get 'display driver stopped responding' error when i start mining with cgminer, what is solution for this ?
645 2012-04-11 16:26:39 <yavuz> i can change miner if that is a solution
646 2012-04-11 16:26:44 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: nice, thanks
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650 2012-04-11 16:27:41 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: note it *is* possible for the guest to take down the whole system tho
651 2012-04-11 16:27:45 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: so be careful
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653 2012-04-11 16:28:04 <helo> yavuz: #bitcoin-mining
654 2012-04-11 16:28:07 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: I thought you said it was pretty stable...?
655 2012-04-11 16:28:14 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: yes, if you're careful :P
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657 2012-04-11 16:28:21 <BlueMatt> heh, alright
658 2012-04-11 16:28:22 <luke-jr> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/579572/ <-- script to reset GPU without losing host OS
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661 2012-04-11 16:30:33 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: thanks
662 2012-04-11 16:30:58 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: and guest output from the card works?
663 2012-04-11 16:31:08 <BlueMatt> also, host output via a different card works at the same time?
664 2012-04-11 16:31:09 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: on my Gentoo VM guest, at least
665 2012-04-11 16:31:20 <luke-jr> I tried making a Debian guest and it didn't like it tho
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667 2012-04-11 16:31:33 <luke-jr> I presume fglrx driver versions matter
668 2012-04-11 16:31:34 <BlueMatt> hmm, well then windows would be a crapshoot, no doubt...
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670 2012-04-11 16:32:11 <luke-jr> I know AMD was trying to improve VT-d guest support for fglrx at some point
671 2012-04-11 16:32:20 <luke-jr> I'd assume by now they've got the details figured out
672 2012-04-11 16:32:45 <BlueMatt> well, windows vt-d guest support is probably...nonexistent
673 2012-04-11 16:32:53 <BlueMatt> will be interesting to see if i can get it to work
674 2012-04-11 16:33:47 <luke-jr> it's all about the AMD driver
675 2012-04-11 16:33:59 <luke-jr> also, don't try to make it your primary output
676 2012-04-11 16:34:10 <luke-jr> primary output has stupid BIOS crap
677 2012-04-11 16:34:16 <BlueMatt> you mean primary host or primary guest output?
678 2012-04-11 16:34:19 <luke-jr> both
679 2012-04-11 16:34:30 <luke-jr> secondary gets treated like a normal PCIe device
680 2012-04-11 16:34:31 <BlueMatt> wait, so how does guest output, primary == kvm output?
681 2012-04-11 16:34:50 <luke-jr> In my case, -curses
682 2012-04-11 16:34:56 <luke-jr> ncurses primary output
683 2012-04-11 16:35:08 <BlueMatt> well, have fun running windows with default output as curses, but...ok
684 2012-04-11 16:35:13 <luke-jr> hehe
685 2012-04-11 16:35:16 <luke-jr> could use VNC just as well
686 2012-04-11 16:35:20 <BlueMatt> yae
687 2012-04-11 16:35:21 <luke-jr> or whatever the X11 one is called
688 2012-04-11 16:35:56 <BlueMatt> well Ill try it when I get back home to the desktop, should be a fun project...
689 2012-04-11 16:36:18 * BlueMatt ponders buying an ivy bridge proc to help...
690 2012-04-11 16:36:21 <luke-jr> FWIW, I used to run x11vnc on the 5850 X11 server, and connect to that from my host for gaming
691 2012-04-11 16:36:29 * luke-jr was surprised VNC could keep up
692 2012-04-11 16:36:43 <luke-jr> my primary is Sandy Bridge HD 2000
693 2012-04-11 16:36:45 <BlueMatt> gaming over vnc...
694 2012-04-11 16:36:47 <BlueMatt> yuck
695 2012-04-11 16:36:55 <luke-jr> it worked flawless
696 2012-04-11 16:37:11 <luke-jr> I was using PCSX2 to play PS2 games
697 2012-04-11 16:38:12 <lianj> flawlessly as in 30fps and full color? oO
698 2012-04-11 16:38:20 <luke-jr> lianj: yeah
699 2012-04-11 16:38:22 <BlueMatt> 30 fps != flawless
700 2012-04-11 16:38:28 <BlueMatt> 30 fps == the suck
701 2012-04-11 16:38:31 <luke-jr> …
702 2012-04-11 16:38:37 <luke-jr> the human eye can't see more than 30fps
703 2012-04-11 16:38:46 <t7> most games on ps2 were less than 30fps
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705 2012-04-11 16:38:55 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: Yes, it can.
706 2012-04-11 16:39:00 <BlueMatt> no, frames look like motion at about 30fps
707 2012-04-11 16:39:02 <BlueMatt> you can see more
708 2012-04-11 16:39:08 <BlueMatt> well, a bit less than 30fps
709 2012-04-11 16:39:16 <gmaxwell> (though it depends on the scene contrast)
710 2012-04-11 16:39:27 <BlueMatt> t7: well then good thing im not playing a ps2 ;)
711 2012-04-11 16:39:37 <gmaxwell> If you were to say 60 ... you'd have a much stronger case.
712 2012-04-11 16:39:55 <luke-jr> well, in any case, I didn't notice any slowness issues
713 2012-04-11 16:40:01 <luke-jr> at least not from the VNC
714 2012-04-11 16:40:08 <BlueMatt> Im surprised there wasnt lag to compress/decompress
715 2012-04-11 16:40:09 <luke-jr> PCSX2 wasn't flawless in that regard
716 2012-04-11 16:40:10 <BlueMatt> and send back input
717 2012-04-11 16:40:16 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: VNC doesn't require compression
718 2012-04-11 16:40:31 <BlueMatt> mmm, well thats good
719 2012-04-11 16:40:31 <lianj> but on a local lan right?
720 2012-04-11 16:40:38 <luke-jr> lianj: localhost, to a VM
721 2012-04-11 16:40:44 <lianj> oh ok
722 2012-04-11 16:41:09 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: oh, and Windows VNC servers suck
723 2012-04-11 16:41:14 <luke-jr> so yeah, that'll be epic fail
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725 2012-04-11 16:41:37 <BlueMatt> heh, not surprised...
726 2012-04-11 16:41:48 * BlueMatt goes back to dreaming, fuck it ill just use my laptop for linux... :(
727 2012-04-11 16:42:03 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: well, there's always the plug-your-monitor-into-the-real-GPU :P
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729 2012-04-11 16:42:14 <luke-jr> I was just too lazy to swap the cable or get a switch
730 2012-04-11 16:42:17 <luke-jr> so I VNC'd.
731 2012-04-11 16:42:19 <BlueMatt> heh
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733 2012-04-11 16:42:55 <luke-jr> I did verify the 5850 was putting out DVI signal, though
734 2012-04-11 16:43:03 <BlueMatt> nice
735 2012-04-11 16:43:05 <luke-jr> just because I was curious if it was 100% working or just enough
736 2012-04-11 16:43:44 <luke-jr> ensuring it's a secondary display seems the crucial piece
737 2012-04-11 16:43:46 <jgarzik> anybody,
738 2012-04-11 16:43:55 <jgarzik> how does one ref a pull req in github comments?
739 2012-04-11 16:44:03 <luke-jr> jgarzik: just mention it with a # sign
740 2012-04-11 16:44:04 <BlueMatt> just type #XXX
741 2012-04-11 16:44:05 <luke-jr> ie, #100
742 2012-04-11 16:44:10 <jgarzik> doesn't work
743 2012-04-11 16:44:12 <jgarzik> that links to an issue
744 2012-04-11 16:44:14 <luke-jr> O.o
745 2012-04-11 16:44:14 <BlueMatt> wat?
746 2012-04-11 16:44:20 <BlueMatt> the issue is the same as the pull
747 2012-04-11 16:44:25 <luke-jr> jgarzik: pull requests and issues live in the same space
748 2012-04-11 16:44:29 <jgarzik> ahhhhhh
749 2012-04-11 16:44:33 <BlueMatt> you can always go to github.com/.../issue/xxx and it will go to the pull
750 2012-04-11 16:44:48 <gjs278> when I'm compiling large packages, my X seems to hit 100% on one core and cause a real bad lag with fglrx... I wish I had some other gpu to test
751 2012-04-11 16:45:04 <gjs278> like if I try and watch the gcc output it cant keep up
752 2012-04-11 16:45:13 <BlueMatt> wat?
753 2012-04-11 16:45:20 <BlueMatt> you hit x usage on compiling
754 2012-04-11 16:45:30 <gjs278> if I watch the xterm compiling I do
755 2012-04-11 16:45:37 <BlueMatt> damn
756 2012-04-11 16:45:52 <BlueMatt> thats both a really fast compiling cpu, and a damn slow gpu
757 2012-04-11 16:46:02 <BlueMatt> and probably a few bugs in between
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760 2012-04-11 16:46:42 <etotheipi_> I should've known better than to expect that to go smoothly
761 2012-04-11 16:46:43 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: jgarzik opened pull request 1081 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1081>
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765 2012-04-11 16:48:20 <luke-jr> etotheipi_: I'd have done it without rebooting.
766 2012-04-11 16:48:42 <etotheipi_> added a video card to the PCIe slot?
767 2012-04-11 16:48:55 <luke-jr> jgarzik: isn't the ping/pong nonce optional?
768 2012-04-11 16:50:42 <UukGoblin> 165209 < etotheipi_> alright, brb
769 2012-04-11 16:50:42 <UukGoblin> 165211 -!- etotheipi_ [~alan@c-76-111-96-126.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
770 2012-04-11 16:50:46 <UukGoblin> 165229 < UukGoblin> heh, cause swapping GPUs always goes so smoothly
771 2012-04-11 16:51:15 <luke-jr> etotheipi_: yes
772 2012-04-11 16:51:37 <luke-jr> etotheipi_: suspend to RAM, insert card, wake up, rescan PCI bus.
773 2012-04-11 16:51:40 <etotheipi_> ehh, I've done it so much that it's usually not an issue
774 2012-04-11 16:51:52 <UukGoblin> so 'right' is equal to almost an hour
775 2012-04-11 16:52:20 <etotheipi_> usually I just reboot and reinstall the video driver and everything is smooth
776 2012-04-11 16:52:36 <luke-jr> O.o
777 2012-04-11 16:52:39 <luke-jr> you use Windows?
778 2012-04-11 16:52:46 <etotheipi_> but something went awry on boot, it loaded the nouveau driver... and then I couldn't reinstall the NVIDIA driver
779 2012-04-11 16:53:37 <etotheipi_> NVIDIA driver refuses to install if nouveau is loaded, and I couldn't figure out how to get nouveau to not load on boot (blacklist.conf didn't even work!)
780 2012-04-11 16:53:55 <etotheipi_> luke-jr: it's Ubuntu 10.04
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782 2012-04-11 16:55:21 <etotheipi_> oh well, it's done now
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784 2012-04-11 16:57:22 <paulo_> bitcoin addresses make good passwords.
785 2012-04-11 16:57:42 <UukGoblin> paulo_, I prefer pwgen
786 2012-04-11 16:58:29 <BlueMatt> anyone else actually not like the idea of local echo for mosh (designed to replace ssh)
787 2012-04-11 16:58:45 * BlueMatt actually uses the local echo to make sure the connection is still going...
788 2012-04-11 16:58:52 <BlueMatt> s/local/remote/
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790 2012-04-11 16:59:45 <UukGoblin> BlueMatt, whoah, nice! I wanted that feature some 8 years ago, and now someone's actually done it
791 2012-04-11 17:00:02 <BlueMatt> http://mosh.mit.edu/
792 2012-04-11 17:00:08 * BlueMatt doesnt want it...
793 2012-04-11 17:00:13 <UukGoblin> whoah, and it supports switching IPs... coool!
794 2012-04-11 17:00:14 <BlueMatt> oh, wait they have a disable option for that
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796 2012-04-11 17:00:23 <BlueMatt> yea, the ip roaming stuff looks awesome though
797 2012-04-11 17:00:46 * BlueMatt wishes all cell providers just made everyone use openvpn so that connections didnt die when roaming from 3g/4g/wifi
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799 2012-04-11 17:01:03 <lianj> replacing ssh sound like writing a secure web server in c, sure go ahead
800 2012-04-11 17:01:10 <UukGoblin> bah, utf-8-only
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803 2012-04-11 17:03:21 <UukGoblin> BlueMatt, ---predict-never
804 2012-04-11 17:03:28 <UukGoblin> BlueMatt, bah! --predict=never
805 2012-04-11 17:03:48 <BlueMatt> yea, saw that
806 2012-04-11 17:06:12 <luke-jr> " But you'll need working UDP."
807 2012-04-11 17:08:07 <luke-jr> "Then SSH came along and added minor enhancements like confidentiality and authentication, at the cost of losing the local-echo mode and the well-defined terminal semantics."
808 2012-04-11 17:08:13 <luke-jr> ^ I won't trust this
809 2012-04-11 17:08:29 <BlueMatt> oh, thats a bad quote
810 2012-04-11 17:08:38 <luke-jr> from http://mosh.mit.edu/#techinfo
811 2012-04-11 17:09:27 <gmaxwell> "Look at my strawman burning, isn't it pretty?"
812 2012-04-11 17:10:11 <luke-jr> Q: Has your secure datagram protocol been audited by experts?
813 2012-04-11 17:10:12 <luke-jr> No. We certainly welcome your eyes on the code. Any novel datagram protocol is going to have to prove itself, and SSP is no exception. Of course we think the radical simplicity of the design is an advantage, but others have thought that and have been wrong. We don't doubt it will (properly!) take time for the crypto community to get comfortable with mosh.
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815 2012-04-11 17:10:15 <luke-jr> ^ red flag anyone?
816 2012-04-11 17:10:38 <BlueMatt> yea, I saw a non-standard block cipher method and thought, meh Ill give it a few years before I try this one
817 2012-04-11 17:10:58 <luke-jr> I don't see any reason someone can't modify the OpenSSH client to do all this without some crazy reinvention
818 2012-04-11 17:11:13 <UukGoblin> yeah that's not nice that
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820 2012-04-11 17:11:29 <luke-jr> probably could make it use screen on the remote end, to provide compatibility without a server-side piece
821 2012-04-11 17:11:44 <gmaxwell> ... why is it using any non-standard crypto at all?
822 2012-04-11 17:11:47 <luke-jr> I do ssh -t HOST screen -R SESSIONNAME
823 2012-04-11 17:12:32 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: that I dont understand at all
824 2012-04-11 17:12:45 <UukGoblin> if anyone's on the stanford uni's cryptography class, one thing that Prof. Boneh keeps repeating is DON'T EVER NEVER DO CRYPTO YOURSELF
825 2012-04-11 17:13:00 <gmaxwell> The predictive echo stuff is clever, and the point that it has to be terminal integrated in order to be safe basically makes sense...
826 2012-04-11 17:14:04 * luke-jr isn't really sure why terminal integration helpsr local echo
827 2012-04-11 17:14:06 <gmaxwell> (though considering that screen works, it's not clearly a _requirement_)
828 2012-04-11 17:14:06 <luke-jr> helps*
829 2012-04-11 17:14:16 <BlueMatt> yea, predictive echo Im sure is hard, but I dont really even want that...
830 2012-04-11 17:14:29 <luke-jr> I could see the local echo being useful over 3G
831 2012-04-11 17:14:32 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: because when its wrong you need to be able to revert your prediction losslesly.. and thats impossible without a full and completely accurate model of the terminal behavior.
832 2012-04-11 17:14:45 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: ah, true
833 2012-04-11 17:14:45 <UukGoblin> BlueMatt, where did you get that non-standard block cipher stuff from? Reading the paper, it looks like AES-128 in OCB mode
834 2012-04-11 17:14:48 <BlueMatt> meh, i use the echo time to tell if the 3g is still working...
835 2012-04-11 17:15:10 <BlueMatt> UukGoblin: oh? I thought it said something about a unique mode?
836 2012-04-11 17:15:23 <BlueMatt> maybe Im wrong, anyway, luke quoted a unique datagram
837 2012-04-11 17:15:33 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: me too. bit it would be pretty easy to add an explict status light to it.. (e.g. rtt in the title and time since last ack)
838 2012-04-11 17:15:45 <BlueMatt> well, yea
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847 2012-04-11 17:23:05 <UukGoblin> I wonder how well it predicts sequences like ^W and ^U
848 2012-04-11 17:23:14 <UukGoblin> and, to be a bitch, ^Y
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850 2012-04-11 17:24:01 <luke-jr> UukGoblin: do you use jstar?
851 2012-04-11 17:24:26 <UukGoblin> luke-jr, nope
852 2012-04-11 17:25:33 <UukGoblin> what is it?
853 2012-04-11 17:25:37 <UukGoblin> wikipedia says something about DJs
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856 2012-04-11 17:27:08 <luke-jr> UukGoblin: free software rewrite of WordStar
857 2012-04-11 17:27:58 <UukGoblin> luke-jr, ah... no
858 2012-04-11 17:28:20 <UukGoblin> I use vim, pretty much exclusively
859 2012-04-11 17:28:45 <UukGoblin> for Open University assignments I used openoffice
860 2012-04-11 17:29:15 <graingert> tut tut
861 2012-04-11 17:29:20 <graingert> it's all about Latex
862 2012-04-11 17:29:55 <UukGoblin> graingert, I'm not sure I could find any latex-to-.doc converter
863 2012-04-11 17:30:08 <graingert> does open univeristy _require_ doc?
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865 2012-04-11 17:30:13 <UukGoblin> graingert, yep
866 2012-04-11 17:30:18 <graingert> bleuagh
867 2012-04-11 17:30:22 <graingert> that's not open at all
868 2012-04-11 17:30:22 <UukGoblin> like many other places do, for CVs and stuff
869 2012-04-11 17:30:27 <UukGoblin> graingert, yup
870 2012-04-11 17:30:28 * luke-jr couldn't figure out any way to use Latex with only free software
871 2012-04-11 17:30:32 <UukGoblin> well they allow RTF too, actually
872 2012-04-11 17:30:34 <UukGoblin> but... meh
873 2012-04-11 17:30:51 <graingert> luke-jr: really?
874 2012-04-11 17:30:56 <graingert> isn't the renderer free?
875 2012-04-11 17:30:59 <luke-jr> well, except some Latex-to-HTML JS engine
876 2012-04-11 17:31:02 <luke-jr> which didn't work well
877 2012-04-11 17:31:08 <graingert> PDF is an open format
878 2012-04-11 17:31:14 <gmaxwell> graingert: kinda.
879 2012-04-11 17:31:22 <graingert> well the bits that evince and latex use
880 2012-04-11 17:31:24 <gmaxwell> graingert: there is a small subset of pdf which is.
881 2012-04-11 17:31:29 <graingert> ^
882 2012-04-11 17:31:35 <gmaxwell> Evince displays far more than the open subset.
883 2012-04-11 17:31:48 <graingert> does it infringe on patents?
884 2012-04-11 17:31:49 <gmaxwell> but latex/dvi2pdf etc use the open subset.
885 2012-04-11 17:31:55 <gmaxwell> graingert: Yes.
886 2012-04-11 17:32:04 <graingert> ah well I'm in the UK
887 2012-04-11 17:32:07 <UukGoblin> so what's non-free with latex?
888 2012-04-11 17:32:10 <luke-jr> graingert: the The LaTeX Project Public License is non-free
889 2012-04-11 17:32:12 <graingert> so don't care, you can't patent maths over here
890 2012-04-11 17:32:13 <UukGoblin> you don't even have to use pdf
891 2012-04-11 17:32:28 <luke-jr> PDF is free
892 2012-04-11 17:33:10 <UukGoblin> luke-jr, they say LPPL is 'free software'
893 2012-04-11 17:33:15 <luke-jr> UukGoblin: I don't.
894 2012-04-11 17:33:48 <luke-jr> it compels you to ship their (unmodified) work, if you distribute a derived work.
895 2012-04-11 17:34:25 <graingert> luke-jr: what para?
896 2012-04-11 17:34:45 <graingert> http://www.latex-project.org/lppl.txt or line
897 2012-04-11 17:35:12 <luke-jr> CONDITIONS ON DISTRIBUTION AND MODIFICATION
898 2012-04-11 17:35:21 <luke-jr> 6d
899 2012-04-11 17:35:47 <gmaxwell> graingert: I was refering to evince not latex.
900 2012-04-11 17:36:04 <graingert> 2. Information that is sufficient to obtain a complete,
901 2012-04-11 17:36:07 <graingert> unmodified copy of the Work.
902 2012-04-11 17:36:16 <graingert> isn't that in MIT
903 2012-04-11 17:36:19 <luke-jr> no
904 2012-04-11 17:36:24 <luke-jr> nor any free license
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906 2012-04-11 17:36:51 <graingert> well it doesn't sound bad
907 2012-04-11 17:36:57 <luke-jr> maybe
908 2012-04-11 17:37:05 <graingert> what's wrong with attribution?
909 2012-04-11 17:37:11 <luke-jr> nothing
910 2012-04-11 17:37:21 <graingert> so why is it nonfree?
911 2012-04-11 17:37:22 <luke-jr> perhaps I should re-read the license someday
912 2012-04-11 17:37:36 <luke-jr> because it requires you to provide the unmodiifed copy
913 2012-04-11 17:37:42 <graingert> or link
914 2012-04-11 17:37:45 <graingert> to it
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918 2012-04-11 17:38:04 <graingert> which is basically attribution
919 2012-04-11 17:38:06 <luke-jr> same thing, since you have to be sure the link works
920 2012-04-11 17:38:13 <graingert> if you give the name of the author
921 2012-04-11 17:38:16 <graingert> that should be enough
922 2012-04-11 17:38:39 <graingert> the user can request the code from the author
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925 2012-04-11 17:39:21 <graingert> ergo it's possible to satisfy that requirement with an MIT-esque attribution
926 2012-04-11 17:39:33 <luke-jr> MIT doesn't require attribution.
927 2012-04-11 17:39:40 <graingert> I thought it did
928 2012-04-11 17:39:53 <graingert> you have to reproduce the copyright notice
929 2012-04-11 17:39:57 <graingert> which includes attribution
930 2012-04-11 17:40:11 <luke-jr> you have to leave the copyright notice in place in the code
931 2012-04-11 17:40:25 <graingert> yes and the copyright notice includes the names of the authors
932 2012-04-11 17:40:28 <luke-jr> attribution refers to making it visible in your own program
933 2012-04-11 17:40:46 <graingert> do you not have to release the notice with the compiled work?
934 2012-04-11 17:40:54 <luke-jr> nope
935 2012-04-11 17:41:07 <UukGoblin> I thought you did
936 2012-04-11 17:41:44 <graingert> I am however pissed off with license bloat
937 2012-04-11 17:41:57 <graingert> and refusing to use it on that bounds is acceptable
938 2012-04-11 17:42:01 <graingert> grounds*
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940 2012-04-11 17:42:51 <graingert> the WTFPL requires you to do what you want with it, so if you want to do something you have to do it, even if you can't be bothered
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942 2012-04-11 17:43:35 <UukGoblin> lol
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945 2012-04-11 17:44:08 <UukGoblin> I argue that if you can't be bothered then you don't want it enough
946 2012-04-11 17:44:41 <graingert> yes but the WTFPL requires it if you want it at all
947 2012-04-11 17:45:14 <UukGoblin> that's scary
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949 2012-04-11 17:45:33 <graingert> even if you don't know you wanted to do it
950 2012-04-11 17:45:33 <UukGoblin> how can you prove that I wanted something though?
951 2012-04-11 17:45:49 <graingert> sadly it's never been tested in court
952 2012-04-11 17:46:24 <graingert> WTFPL is above even the 1st law of robotics
953 2012-04-11 17:46:44 <luke-jr> graingert: WTFPL can't compel you unless you agree to it :P
954 2012-04-11 17:47:06 * luke-jr notes there is a WTFPL Bitcoin client
955 2012-04-11 17:47:17 <graingert> I don't want to know
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957 2012-04-11 17:47:27 <UukGoblin> graingert, hang on
958 2012-04-11 17:47:45 <UukGoblin> graingert, under clause 0 of WTFPL, "You just DO WHAT THE FUCK YOU WANT TO". Doesn't say "to it"
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960 2012-04-11 17:47:54 <graingert> oh god
961 2012-04-11 17:47:59 <graingert> even more generic
962 2012-04-11 17:48:16 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: sirk390 opened issue 1082 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1082>
963 2012-04-11 17:48:26 <graingert> all news is new news
964 2012-04-11 17:48:38 <graingert> unless it's old news
965 2012-04-11 17:51:24 <BlueMattBot> Project Bitcoin build #279: STILL FAILING in 1 min 22 sec: http://jenkins.bluematt.me/job/Bitcoin/279/
966 2012-04-11 17:51:25 <BlueMattBot> pieter.wuille: Fix build.h dependencies
967 2012-04-11 17:51:46 <BlueMatt> sipa: :(
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969 2012-04-11 18:01:36 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt: I'm going to push a fix for that in about 30 seconds....
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972 2012-04-11 18:09:01 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: laanwj opened pull request 1083 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1083>
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983 2012-04-11 18:20:32 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: any opinion on the proposed website change?
984 2012-04-11 18:20:44 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: nope
985 2012-04-11 18:21:15 <gavinandresen> wait... maybe. My one concern is who is vetting all those alternative clients to make sure they don't contain malware?
986 2012-04-11 18:22:40 <luke-jr> afaik the only non-free ones are eWallets
987 2012-04-11 18:22:56 <gmaxwell> yea.. thats sort of hat I was struggling with. Otherwise I think it looks quite good.
988 2012-04-11 18:23:39 <gavinandresen> the nightmare scenario I want to avoid is "Bitcoin.org links to infected wallet-stealing software."
989 2012-04-11 18:23:48 <gmaxwell> I wish there were published security audits of the reference softare, then we could highlight that it had one and the others didn't.
990 2012-04-11 18:23:58 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: we have that potential problem with Bitcoin-Qt already, since most users don't verify sigs
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992 2012-04-11 18:24:14 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: CVEs wiki page?
993 2012-04-11 18:24:15 <gmaxwell> (and generally, standards that I could think of to make things more sure— we're not meeting in the reference software— just as luke says)
994 2012-04-11 18:24:23 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: ok, I see what you mean
995 2012-04-11 18:24:44 <gavinandresen> volunteers to make our downloads more secure are very welcome....
996 2012-04-11 18:24:47 <UukGoblin> I never understood verifying sigs of software
997 2012-04-11 18:25:00 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: I think the key problem comes down to users
998 2012-04-11 18:25:05 <UukGoblin> you get software from server A, a sig from server A, a pubkey from server A...
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1000 2012-04-11 18:25:27 <UukGoblin> ok sometimes you get pubkey from server B
1001 2012-04-11 18:26:01 <UukGoblin> but... still, it's enough to just compromise A
1002 2012-04-11 18:26:05 <gavinandresen> ideally you get the pubkey linked to somebody you trust. But I agree, the gpg model doesn't work
1003 2012-04-11 18:26:19 <luke-jr> could add a "Code Audit Policy" row, but it wouldn't look good to have everything less-than-good
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1005 2012-04-11 18:27:15 <gavinandresen> I like http://lovebitcoins.org/getStarted.html
1006 2012-04-11 18:28:22 <graingert> Computer is a rubbish section
1007 2012-04-11 18:28:55 <luke-jr> http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/screenshots/snapshot81.png
1008 2012-04-11 18:29:50 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: very nice, but does that have to live on bitcoin.org?
1009 2012-04-11 18:30:30 <gavinandresen> My model is more: http://bittorrent.org/
1010 2012-04-11 18:31:07 <luke-jr> that doesn't have any clients
1011 2012-04-11 18:31:11 <gavinandresen> exactly
1012 2012-04-11 18:32:35 <gavinandresen> I'd really rather not get into policy decisions about which clients "deserve" to be listed, etc
1013 2012-04-11 18:33:08 <UukGoblin> actually, we just talked about mosh, and I really do like their page http://mosh.mit.edu/
1014 2012-04-11 18:33:18 <UukGoblin> everything in one place, no pointless clicking
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1025 2012-04-11 18:40:04 <BlueMattBot> Yippie, build fixed!
1026 2012-04-11 18:40:05 <BlueMattBot> Project Bitcoin build #280: FIXED in 35 min: http://jenkins.bluematt.me/job/Bitcoin/280/
1027 2012-04-11 18:40:05 <BlueMattBot> gavinandresen: Remove path.make_preferred() calls, and fix compiler error in bitcoinrpc RE: boost::system
1028 2012-04-11 18:40:18 <gavinandresen> you're welcome
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1030 2012-04-11 18:40:44 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: jenkins thanks you
1031 2012-04-11 18:41:03 <BlueMatt> (Im pretty sure jenkins was getting tired of failing...)
1032 2012-04-11 18:41:03 <gavinandresen> I like jenkins, such a snappy dresser.
1033 2012-04-11 18:41:07 <BlueMatt> heh
1034 2012-04-11 18:42:29 <UukGoblin> so now that BIP16 is live, how hard is it to create a pay-to-many transaction and spending it?
1035 2012-04-11 18:42:45 <UukGoblin> s/ing//
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1038 2012-04-11 18:46:01 <UukGoblin> also, a broader question: what do you guys think about using bitcoin in a p2p poker, as in one that libTMCG could help implement? I doubt bitcoin is well suited for providing security for small transactions (i.e. each time a bet is placed in texas hold'em), so the only feasible solution seems to be with using low-trust oracles (i.e. users lock their buy-in amount for several minutes and pay out when leaving the table)
1039 2012-04-11 18:46:04 <gavinandresen> UukGoblin: like most things, it is easy when you know how.
1040 2012-04-11 18:46:48 <UukGoblin> gavinandresen, I meant, is there some "official" way to do it like via some rpc call, or would I have to construct and submit the transaction manually?
1041 2012-04-11 18:47:22 <luke-jr> UukGoblin: creating the multisig address can be done with 0.6.1, but redeeming it is more complicated
1042 2012-04-11 18:47:28 <gavinandresen> the addmultisigaddress RPC call will create 1/2/3-of-1/2/3 bitcoin addresses that you can send to if you're using a 0.6-or-later bitcoin
1043 2012-04-11 18:48:00 <UukGoblin> ah, cool
1044 2012-04-11 18:48:04 <gavinandresen> redeeming happens automatically if you own all the keys and the normal coin selection code decides to select that transaction to redeem
1045 2012-04-11 18:48:09 <gmaxwell> UukGoblin: hands of poker directly in the blockchain is meh. I mean, technically you can do it.. but it will be bloaty, fee heavy, etc. and without an oracle no more secure than just settling whole games.
1046 2012-04-11 18:48:23 <gavinandresen> you can force redeeming the multisig by creating a new, empty wallet and sending into a multisig address....
1047 2012-04-11 18:48:54 <gavinandresen> ... then just spending, and since multisig coins are the only ones available, those are the ones that will be spent
1048 2012-04-11 18:49:08 <luke-jr> 0.6.0 won't let you addmultisigaddress on mainnet
1049 2012-04-11 18:49:31 <gavinandresen> yes, you need to use git head
1050 2012-04-11 18:49:37 <UukGoblin> gavinandresen, ah, that's pretty cool. And if I want to spend over distance, without showing any single person all keys?
1051 2012-04-11 18:49:50 <luke-jr> and to *actually* use multisig (ie, different people have different keys), you need to redeem by hand for now
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1053 2012-04-11 18:50:10 <gavinandresen> spend over distance? you mean half-sign the transaction on one machine and provide second sig on another? THat's not yet implemented in the main client.
1054 2012-04-11 18:50:23 <UukGoblin> gmaxwell, and whole games I think can only be settled by an oracle... I can't imagine a script crypto-validating several hands
1055 2012-04-11 18:50:45 <UukGoblin> gavinandresen, yup, that's what I meant. OK, thanks for the update :-)
1056 2012-04-11 18:51:29 <UukGoblin> s/script/Script/
1057 2012-04-11 18:51:32 <gmaxwell> UukGoblin: right.. well, I don't believe you can get a script to crypto-validate a _single_ hand either. and once you have an oracle there isn't any reason not to aggregate.
1058 2012-04-11 18:52:13 <gmaxwell> You could also write scripts that are redeemable by all the users or any user plus the oracle. So the oracle's services aren't needed in the common case where users agree.
1059 2012-04-11 18:52:30 <UukGoblin> gmaxwell, well, ideally, I'd like to keep the oracle out of the game most of the time, and only require it when a player doesn't act properly (i.e. refuses to pay)
1060 2012-04-11 18:52:45 <UukGoblin> gmaxwell, exactly what you've just typed
1061 2012-04-11 18:52:56 <gmaxwell> :)
1062 2012-04-11 18:52:58 <UukGoblin> so p2sh would come very helpful in here
1063 2012-04-11 18:53:05 <gmaxwell> Indeed.
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1065 2012-04-11 18:54:02 <UukGoblin> will pay-to-11 be OK for Script constraints?
1066 2012-04-11 18:54:40 <UukGoblin> I mean, is it technically possible to create a transaction that's redeemable by 10 out of 11 users?
1067 2012-04-11 18:55:59 <gavinandresen> Spending a 10-of-11 won't pass IsStandard, and would require a pretty big fee because those 10 signatures will make it a pretty big transaction.
1068 2012-04-11 18:56:34 <UukGoblin> right :-S
1069 2012-04-11 18:56:46 <gavinandresen> OP_CHECKMULTISIG supports up to n-of-20, if I recall correctly
1070 2012-04-11 18:57:26 <UukGoblin> ok, so theoretically possible without a fork
1071 2012-04-11 18:57:54 <UukGoblin> if I go that way, I'll start with heads up (1v1) texas hold'em anyway
1072 2012-04-11 18:58:04 <UukGoblin> cause it's collusion-proof
1073 2012-04-11 18:58:21 <UukGoblin> so 2-of-3 will suffice
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1078 2012-04-11 19:03:37 <BlueMattBot> Yippie, build fixed!
1079 2012-04-11 19:03:37 <BlueMattBot> Project Bitcoin-Test build #247: FIXED in 23 min: http://jenkins.bluematt.me/job/Bitcoin-Test/247/
1080 2012-04-11 19:03:38 <BlueMattBot> * phil.kaufmann: updated db.cpp to use make_preferred()
1081 2012-04-11 19:03:38 <BlueMattBot> * phil.kaufmann: updated bitcoinrpc.cpp to use make_preferred() and removed double inclusion of boost/filesystem.hpp
1082 2012-04-11 19:03:39 <BlueMattBot> * phil.kaufmann: updated util.cpp to use make_preferred()
1083 2012-04-11 19:03:39 <BlueMattBot> * phil.kaufmann: fixed small error in bitcoinrpc.cpp
1084 2012-04-11 19:03:40 <BlueMattBot> * laanwj: Show error message instead of exception crash when unable to bind RPC port
1085 2012-04-11 19:03:40 <BlueMattBot> * pieter.wuille: Use scoped locks instead of CRITICAL_BLOCK
1086 2012-04-11 19:03:41 <BlueMattBot> * pieter.wuille: Support for parametrized locks in deadlock detector
1087 2012-04-11 19:03:41 <BlueMattBot> * pieter.wuille: Do not report spurious deadlocks caused by TRY_LOCK
1088 2012-04-11 19:03:42 <BlueMattBot> * mauron: Added comment lines in French & Turkish which basically mean "Bitcoin, virtual P2P cryptocurrency".
1089 2012-04-11 19:03:42 <BlueMattBot> * pieter.wuille: Build identification strings
1090 2012-04-11 19:03:43 <BlueMattBot> * pieter.wuille: Force regeneration of build.h in qmake builds
1091 2012-04-11 19:03:43 <BlueMattBot> * pieter.wuille: Fix build.h dependencies
1092 2012-04-11 19:03:44 <BlueMattBot> * laanwj: by popular request, make 4th bar of connection icon green
1093 2012-04-11 19:03:44 <BlueMattBot> * gavinandresen: Remove path.make_preferred() calls, and fix compiler error in bitcoinrpc RE: boost::system
1094 2012-04-11 19:03:49 <BlueMatt> damn
1095 2012-04-11 19:04:59 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: you spammer!
1096 2012-04-11 19:05:28 <UukGoblin> I'd say flooder
1097 2012-04-11 19:05:38 <luke-jr> UukGoblin: BIP 19 would let you do over 20 keys, btw
1098 2012-04-11 19:05:40 <BlueMatt> blame those who took like 2 days to get master to build right...
1099 2012-04-11 19:05:57 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: worked fine here ;)
1100 2012-04-11 19:05:57 <BlueMatt> ;P
1101 2012-04-11 19:06:02 <BlueMatt> testsuite?
1102 2012-04-11 19:06:20 <luke-jr> yes
1103 2012-04-11 19:06:28 <gmaxwell> I'm much happier to have the spam then miss the notices of failures.
1104 2012-04-11 19:06:30 <BlueMatt> (thats part of building, if testsuite fails, build is broken)
1105 2012-04-11 19:06:40 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: testsuite passed fine
1106 2012-04-11 19:06:51 <BlueMatt> meh, whatever
1107 2012-04-11 19:07:01 * BlueMatt goes to look at jenkins settings to see if blame can be pm-only
1108 2012-04-11 19:07:26 * luke-jr prefers it here, except for that last flood
1109 2012-04-11 19:07:36 <UukGoblin> luke-jr, ah, nice, thanks
1110 2012-04-11 19:07:41 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: then dont complain ;)
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1112 2012-04-11 19:07:58 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: did it just overblame because of missing commits or something?
1113 2012-04-11 19:08:11 <BlueMatt> it listed all the commits since it last succeeded building
1114 2012-04-11 19:08:24 <BlueMatt> which has been a while (first test was broken, then master didnt build, so test couldnt run...)
1115 2012-04-11 19:08:51 <BlueMatt> mostly just long because its been a while since test was run (only runs when build of master succeeds)
1116 2012-04-11 19:09:23 <UukGoblin> these CIA bots aggregate it and say stuff like "+10 other commits, see http://foo.bar/baz"
1117 2012-04-11 19:09:27 <gavinandresen> have git pulls from github been flaky (never completing) for other people, or is it just me?
1118 2012-04-11 19:09:36 * BlueMatt bbl
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1122 2012-04-11 19:10:46 <gmaxwell> [ot] BlueMatt: the mosh thing underlines predicted text. So you can still type for latency measurement.
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1125 2012-04-11 19:15:49 <TD> luke-jr: the website is going to be updated to point people to >1 client?
1126 2012-04-11 19:16:05 <luke-jr> TD: that's the plan
1127 2012-04-11 19:16:18 <TD> which ones, specifically?
1128 2012-04-11 19:16:25 <TD> btw this thread may be useful
1129 2012-04-11 19:16:26 <TD> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=76287.0
1130 2012-04-11 19:16:38 <TD> i think the basic criteria he outlines is not a bad start for setting some standards on what can be included
1131 2012-04-11 19:16:42 <gmaxwell> TD: did you see luke's proposal?
1132 2012-04-11 19:16:44 <TD> nope
1133 2012-04-11 19:16:51 <TD> i just got home and looked a bit up on scrollback
1134 2012-04-11 19:16:52 <TD> where is it?
1135 2012-04-11 19:17:11 <luke-jr> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/pull/32
1136 2012-04-11 19:19:19 <luke-jr> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/pull/32/files#L4R49 lists the clients currently in there
1137 2012-04-11 19:19:53 <TD> hmm
1138 2012-04-11 19:20:02 <TD> that's a lot of data for end users to understand
1139 2012-04-11 19:20:25 <TD> i'd have been tempted to go for a nice image + some explanatory text in english rather than a table. license is irrelevant for end users
1140 2012-04-11 19:20:49 <TD> BTW why "1 hour" for multibit?
1141 2012-04-11 19:21:01 <TD> latest bitcoinj syncs a fresh wallet to the chain in a few minutes at most
1142 2012-04-11 19:21:22 <TD> actually, i'll just put these comments on the pull req. totally support the idea though
1143 2012-04-11 19:26:15 <luke-jr> license isn't irrelevant
1144 2012-04-11 19:26:24 <luke-jr> I don't know/care why Multibit took an hour to sync
1145 2012-04-11 19:26:56 <luke-jr> yeah, comments on pullreq make it easier to discuss
1146 2012-04-11 19:28:58 <TD> license is irrelevant to anyone who isn't going to modify the source code, pretty much
1147 2012-04-11 19:29:45 <wumpus> gavinandresen: pushes are flakey all the time here
1148 2012-04-11 19:30:30 <wumpus> gavinandresen: a lot of times I need to break them off and try again , pulls seem to be fine tho
1149 2012-04-11 19:35:42 <TD> btw, in general i'm not totally convinced any alt client has the level of maturity and robustness we'd need to recommend it yet
1150 2012-04-11 19:35:52 <TD> well, maybe some of the web wallets. i have no experience with them
1151 2012-04-11 19:36:00 <TD> and i didn't check up on armory lately
1152 2012-04-11 19:36:06 <wumpus> I think it's dangerous to recommend web wallets
1153 2012-04-11 19:36:18 <TD> but it used to require a full node to operate correctly and it used a lot of RAM. not sure if it's still the case
1154 2012-04-11 19:36:19 <wumpus> open source software I'm ok with, the rest, I dunno
1155 2012-04-11 19:36:46 <TD> for anything bitcoinj based, it's getting real close, but there are still enough weird edge cases and poor user experiences that it'd be a bit rocky.
1156 2012-04-11 19:37:13 <UukGoblin> wumpus, well, strongcoin is interesting
1157 2012-04-11 19:38:07 <luke-jr> wumpus: both eWallets are strictly client-side for access to wallet
1158 2012-04-11 19:38:33 <UukGoblin> luke-jr, well, until someone hacks / hijacks their website and changes the underlying JS
1159 2012-04-11 19:38:36 <wumpus> okay, I don't know the details about them, but I'd hate to be the person recommending another mybitcoin
1160 2012-04-11 19:38:45 <luke-jr> UukGoblin: at least My Wallet has protections against that
1161 2012-04-11 19:39:58 <wumpus> client side javascript offers some protection, though it's still risky, I remember hushmail's backdoored java applet
1162 2012-04-11 19:40:03 <UukGoblin> luke-jr, I wonder what these are
1163 2012-04-11 19:40:27 <TD> there's the privacy issue also
1164 2012-04-11 19:40:57 <TD> it may not be obvious to users that whilst an ewallet that works that way can't steal their money (maybe), it can see all transactions they have, and if it does get hacked it can also make them think they received money they did not
1165 2012-04-11 19:41:06 <TD> that said, web wallets definitely have a place
1166 2012-04-11 19:41:55 <wumpus> yes, they do, and it may make sense to recommend a few that we know are pretty secure, instead of some scam outlet that manages to get high in the google results
1167 2012-04-11 19:42:02 <TD> huh
1168 2012-04-11 19:42:07 <TD> multibit doesn't seem to be using getheaders support
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1170 2012-04-11 19:42:18 <TD> even so, it's taking more like 10 minutes for me
1171 2012-04-11 19:44:08 * TD asks jim why it's not using getheaders
1172 2012-04-11 19:45:31 <luke-jr> who is jim? why do multibit devs not use IRC? :p
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1174 2012-04-11 19:47:01 <TD> jim is the author of multibit. i don't know why they don't use IRC
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1186 2012-04-11 20:22:03 <sipa> TD: i've seen him here a few times
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1188 2012-04-11 20:32:03 <sipa> BlueMatt: can you try a jenkins build of boostpaths again?
1189 2012-04-11 20:33:09 <TD> ah ok
1190 2012-04-11 20:33:57 <BlueMatt> sipa: http://jenkins.bluematt.me/job/Bitcoin-Testing-Build/23/console
1191 2012-04-11 20:46:41 <BlueMatt> sipa: sorry, jenkins is a bit slow (backlog from having master not building for a while...)
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1199 2012-04-11 21:00:12 <TD> sipa: what do you think of the double-spends-in-memory-pool-become-fees idea?
1200 2012-04-11 21:01:01 <freewil> gavinandresen, is there any reason why you included the *.dat files in the testnet box?
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1202 2012-04-11 21:01:36 <sipa> TD: hmm, elaborate?
1203 2012-04-11 21:01:45 <TD> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=76276.0
1204 2012-04-11 21:03:12 <gmaxwell> td: thats pretty horiffic. It means that you give me goods and I pay you ... and then after I lock away the goods I say "haha. pay me half back now or I veto that transaction into fees"
1205 2012-04-11 21:04:03 <gmaxwell> also means that accidental double spends (e.g. crash and send again, or two clients with the same wallet) burns your coin.
1206 2012-04-11 21:04:11 <TD> yeah, that's true
1207 2012-04-11 21:04:19 <graingert> add it to test net
1208 2012-04-11 21:04:23 <graingert> to see what happens
1209 2012-04-11 21:04:46 <TD> well, the first scenario greg outlined would ever happen on testnet (except the accidental double spends but then it'd just be working as intended)
1210 2012-04-11 21:05:29 <gmaxwell> Would have some interesting implications for wallet theft.
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1212 2012-04-11 21:05:44 <TD> yeah. i'm skeptical you could make the burning coins attack scale against merchants.
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1214 2012-04-11 21:06:00 <TD> it might work a lot better for wallet thefts though
1215 2012-04-11 21:06:08 <gmaxwell> 'work'.
1216 2012-04-11 21:06:21 <sipa> it would make any 0-conf transaction extremely vulnerable to destroying
1217 2012-04-11 21:06:26 <gmaxwell> Well, it just encourages miners to become wallet theives. Win win. ;)
1218 2012-04-11 21:06:41 <sipa> so the claim that it makes 0-conf transactions safer seems wrong
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1223 2012-04-11 21:11:26 <gmaxwell> Right. This makes 0-conf significantly less safe, but potentially makes wallet theft a little less attractive... but I'm skeptical: The theif probably loses little should he only achieve burning the coins.
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1225 2012-04-11 21:11:59 <gmaxwell> I'm a much bigger fan of double spend notices, at least if the DOS issues are worked out.
1226 2012-04-11 21:12:57 <TD> yes
1227 2012-04-11 21:13:05 <helo> DOS issues? you mean someone spamming double (triple, etc) spends to be annoying?
1228 2012-04-11 21:13:19 <TD> to waste resources
1229 2012-04-11 21:13:49 <TD> you can prioritize transactions in a queue sorted by how much time has passed since an output was last touched, i guess. DoS is basically a prioritization problem.
1230 2012-04-11 21:14:12 <TD> repeatedly double spending your own outputs requires a transaction that has a prevOutHash that you've seen before. no ECDSA is required to check that.
1231 2012-04-11 21:14:59 <helo> wouldn't most people (vendors) only be interested in being notified of the first double spend?
1232 2012-04-11 21:15:08 <gmaxwell> Sure.
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1234 2012-04-11 21:15:26 <helo> "Shenanigans!"
1235 2012-04-11 21:15:30 <gmaxwell> it basically reduces to the ability to dos transactions, you can make double spending notices at worst a 2x inflation.
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1237 2012-04-11 21:16:06 <gmaxwell> (by only notifying once per conflicted input, which required the input txn to get relayed in the first place)
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1239 2012-04-11 21:16:38 <gmaxwell> And I'm much less concerned about network level ephemeral dos than ones that end up in the blockchain.
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1264 2012-04-11 22:03:47 <DrHaribo> hmmm my testnet bitcoind using 2 GB memory - what did I do ;)
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1266 2012-04-11 22:05:12 <gmaxwell> Failed to send me 80,000 tnbtc..
1267 2012-04-11 22:05:26 <ELT> im trying to figure out how to get the destination address from a transaction, but I looked at the wiki and was alittle lost as to how to go about doing it and could not find where it does this in the actual client. could someone point to me where this happens in the client in the source?
1268 2012-04-11 22:05:27 <DrHaribo> Damn, that's what did it
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1273 2012-04-11 22:07:54 <gmaxwell> ELT: transactions don't really have "destination address". They have one or more output scripts. The output script may correspond to an address. If you follow through e.g. the IsMine code thats what checks to see if the keys in your wallet can be used to satisify the output scripts of a transaction.
1274 2012-04-11 22:08:24 <ELT> ah ok then i misunderstood then
1275 2012-04-11 22:08:42 <ELT> alright i'll look through that section again
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1297 2012-04-11 22:34:48 <DrHaribo> are orphan blocks kept in memory forever?
1298 2012-04-11 22:35:34 <sipa> until they get connected
1299 2012-04-11 22:35:40 <sipa> or the client is restarted
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1301 2012-04-11 22:38:50 <DrHaribo> I guess that's only an issue on testnet :P
1302 2012-04-11 22:40:51 <midnightmagic> orphan blocks aren't stored on disk anywhere? i thought older versions' -printblocks showed retargets after a restart?
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1305 2012-04-11 22:42:53 <sipa> midnightmagic: i don't see how those are related?
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1316 2012-04-11 22:59:55 <midnightmagic> sipa: er.. s/retarget/reorganize/ ? or are orphans a different class of block from legit chains that have been overrun?
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1318 2012-04-11 23:01:21 <sipa> orphan blocks are blocks whose parent is unknown
1319 2012-04-11 23:01:33 <sipa> so they are never connected to the tree
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1322 2012-04-11 23:01:47 <luke-jr> sipa: err, no?
1323 2012-04-11 23:01:57 <luke-jr> normally, the parent of orphans is known
1324 2012-04-11 23:02:26 <sipa> those are just non-best-chain blocks, not orphan blocks
1325 2012-04-11 23:02:44 <sipa> (transactions in those are orphan transactions, though)
1326 2012-04-11 23:03:28 <sipa> i'm using the terminology from the satoshi source code, which may be disputable :)
1327 2012-04-11 23:04:10 <luke-jr> sipa: everyone calls them orphan blocks
1328 2012-04-11 23:04:24 <sipa> ok
1329 2012-04-11 23:11:13 <midnightmagic> sipa: okay, so.. for precision then. connected blocks are stored on-disk even if they don't complete a best-chain, correct?
1330 2012-04-11 23:11:27 <midnightmagic> s/don't/haven't ever/
1331 2012-04-11 23:11:30 <sipa> yes
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1334 2012-04-11 23:11:56 <midnightmagic> sipa: that clears up my confusion then, and explains why retargets were (are?) reported in -printblocks
1335 2012-04-11 23:11:59 <midnightmagic> thanks
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1339 2012-04-11 23:12:38 <gmaxwell> midnightmagic: are you confusing retarget with reorg?
1340 2012-04-11 23:13:18 <sipa> everything on-disk forms a tree structure, with one highlighted branch
1341 2012-04-11 23:13:26 <midnightmagic> gmaxwell: The terms I mixed up in my head, yes, even a second time.
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1343 2012-04-11 23:13:44 <sipa> orphan bloks are independent trees whose parent block is unknown
1344 2012-04-11 23:15:02 <midnightmagic> sipa: would it be possible to actively search for the parent of an orphan block?
1345 2012-04-11 23:15:53 <sipa> define search
1346 2012-04-11 23:16:16 <sipa> (when an orphan is received, its parent is requested from the one who sent it to you)
1347 2012-04-11 23:17:04 <midnightmagic> sipa: specifically, if you lucked on the originator of the disconnected orphan and did a getblock for the orphan's parent, could you in theory request that parent block assuming it existed? under what conditions would an orphan block ever stay an orphan permanently assuming no malicious action?
1348 2012-04-11 23:18:07 <sipa> no full node will relay a block that is not part of its current best chain
1349 2012-04-11 23:19:22 <midnightmagic> then do orphans by that definition of orphan exist?
1350 2012-04-11 23:19:36 <midnightmagic> (inclusive of malicious actions now I guess)
1351 2012-04-11 23:19:36 <sipa> temporarily
1352 2012-04-11 23:20:19 <midnightmagic> it occurs to me that it might be possible to flood orphans. is there anything stopping me from doing that?
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1354 2012-04-11 23:20:36 <sipa> i'm not sure how strong the difficulty checks are currently
1355 2012-04-11 23:20:59 <sipa> but there are limits on how much the difficulty of a block can have changed, given some missing blocks in between
1356 2012-04-11 23:21:19 <sipa> those can probably be made a lot stronger once we start including block height in coinbases
1357 2012-04-11 23:21:31 * jgarzik tries to kick the rust off reorg knowledge
1358 2012-04-11 23:21:47 <sipa> this is technically unrelated to reorganizing
1359 2012-04-11 23:22:27 <midnightmagic> but if i just build an orphan block that isn't connected to anything, i'm not quite so constrained, although i suppose finding the solution even given a variable parent hash is still as hard.. hrm..
1360 2012-04-11 23:22:36 <jgarzik> what is node behavior for the TX's contained within each block suddenly orphaned? do they all go back into the memory pool, and remain in the TX index?
1361 2012-04-11 23:22:38 * jgarzik forgets
1362 2012-04-11 23:22:50 <jgarzik> behavior ... during a reorg, that is
1363 2012-04-11 23:22:58 <sipa> jgarzik: removed from tx index, moved to memory pool
1364 2012-04-11 23:23:12 <sipa> tx index only contains transactions from the current best chain
1365 2012-04-11 23:23:43 <sipa> while the block index contains all transactions ever connected to the genesis block
1366 2012-04-11 23:23:47 <sipa> *blocks
1367 2012-04-11 23:24:31 <sipa> "connected" is bad terminology, in the source code that term is used for "making part of the best chain"
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1373 2012-04-11 23:31:36 <ageis> wheres the bitcoin-qt wallet.dat and files on mac..? isn't it inside the .app or something
1374 2012-04-11 23:32:12 <luke-jr> I sure hope not
1375 2012-04-11 23:33:03 <sipa> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Data_directory
1376 2012-04-11 23:33:32 <ageis> thanks
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