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10 2012-04-14 00:22:00 <chk> fatal error C1083: Cannot open include file: 'CL/cl.h': No such file or directory
11 2012-04-14 00:22:09 <chk> does anyone know where i can find these includes?
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29 2012-04-14 01:40:15 <luke-jr> chk: I bet OpenCL drivers
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135 2012-04-14 07:48:56 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: laanwj opened pull request 1097 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1097>
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148 2012-04-14 09:49:04 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: nomnombtc opened issue 1098 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1098>
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190 2012-04-14 12:43:46 <t7> ;;calc 4000 * 60 * 10
191 2012-04-14 12:43:46 <gribble> 2400000
192 2012-04-14 12:44:42 <t7> ;;calc 4000 * 60 * 10 * 300
193 2012-04-14 12:44:42 <gribble> 720000000
194 2012-04-14 12:45:33 <t7> at 4000 txs a second, assuming each tx is 300 bytes, thats 720 meg a block
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197 2012-04-14 12:46:05 <Diablo-D3> 4000 tx a second would also be global transaction peak roughly
198 2012-04-14 12:46:05 <t7> i hope bitcoin doesnt get popular
199 2012-04-14 12:46:26 <Diablo-D3> and like I said, in the future, you'd have bitcoin banks that offer bitcoin debit cards of some sort
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242 2012-04-14 14:43:55 <paulo_> how do I compile bitcoind on my box?
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253 2012-04-14 15:22:12 <paulo_> sigh, bitcoind on my VPS is downloading the block chain...
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256 2012-04-14 15:26:53 <paulo_> bitcoind is not letting my shell go.
257 2012-04-14 15:30:44 <luke-jr> -daemon
258 2012-04-14 15:31:21 <paulo_> thanks
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267 2012-04-14 15:55:42 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: jgarzik opened issue 1099 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1099>
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290 2012-04-14 17:26:13 <paulo_> is it possible for a wallet to contain only addresses, not private keys??
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292 2012-04-14 17:30:59 <Joric> paulo_, wallet.dat contains keypairs
293 2012-04-14 17:31:36 <Joric> so no, not really
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295 2012-04-14 17:32:22 <luke-jr> paulo_: possible, yes
296 2012-04-14 17:32:26 <luke-jr> likely, no
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310 2012-04-14 18:29:23 <graingert> why was safemode removed?
311 2012-04-14 18:29:32 <graingert> it seems quite handy
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318 2012-04-14 18:40:37 <luke-jr> [Monday, April 09, 2012] [4:47:53 PM] <sipa> wait, we have GetDataDir(), which does the following: check a cached value, if set, return it; if not set, return default
319 2012-04-14 18:40:49 <luke-jr> sipa: did you eventually figure out that it didn't do just quite that?
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328 2012-04-14 19:18:07 <sipa> luke-jr: i changed it in my boostpaths pullreq
329 2012-04-14 19:18:34 <luke-jr> I know you changed it, but did you notice it *doesn't* do what you initially thought it did? :P
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332 2012-04-14 19:18:51 <luke-jr> the "cached value" is a copy of -datadir
333 2012-04-14 19:18:55 <luke-jr> only
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347 2012-04-14 20:17:56 <jjjrmy> I'm working on a project for Startup Weekend related to Bitcoin. I need some customer validation from the Bitcoin community. Please take this survey: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/BGYWYW6
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354 2012-04-14 20:24:35 <sipa> luke-jr: i wasn't sure about that, actually; it's a lot more understandable now, imho
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359 2012-04-14 20:32:33 <dikidera> it's ok the run 0.6.0, right?
360 2012-04-14 20:32:44 <dikidera> *to
361 2012-04-14 20:33:05 <splatster> dikidera: Read the topic "Latest version: 0.6.0 *OLD VERSIONS HARM THE NETWORK AND YOUR SECURITY*"
362 2012-04-14 20:33:20 <splatster> Yes, you are quite fine to be using 0.6
363 2012-04-14 20:35:03 <dikidera> man
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367 2012-04-14 20:35:12 <dikidera> I haven't ran the client for so long, it's stuck on startup..
368 2012-04-14 20:35:34 <splatster> dikidera: It might take a bit for it to load the blockindex.
369 2012-04-14 20:35:48 <dikidera> weren't there improvements from sipa?
370 2012-04-14 20:35:53 <splatster> and then your wallet, and then the address book, etc.
371 2012-04-14 20:36:04 <splatster> dikidera: It still takes a minute.
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373 2012-04-14 20:37:46 <dikidera> more like 15 to go
374 2012-04-14 20:37:49 <dikidera> or perhaps 30
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376 2012-04-14 20:37:54 <luke-jr> dikidera: delete addr.dat ?
377 2012-04-14 20:37:58 <luke-jr> (rename it actually)
378 2012-04-14 20:38:00 <dikidera> why?
379 2012-04-14 20:39:30 <sipa> there's a known issue where the client gets stuck when addr.dat was silently corrupted before, and you upgrade to 0.6
380 2012-04-14 20:40:00 <dikidera> It ran just fine, just downloading 1-2 blocks per second
381 2012-04-14 20:40:05 <dikidera> and I had 2.5k to go
382 2012-04-14 20:40:26 <luke-jr> addr.dat != blk*
383 2012-04-14 20:40:38 <dikidera> trolling?
384 2012-04-14 20:41:02 <sipa> ok, so you don't have a problem really
385 2012-04-14 20:41:16 <sipa> the last few thousand blocks are a lot slower
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388 2012-04-14 20:45:12 <dikidera> I'd hate to be the poor bastard, who is downloading the chain from scratch
389 2012-04-14 20:45:44 <splatster> dikidera: Everyone has at one point been that poor bastard.
390 2012-04-14 20:46:27 <sipa> dikidera: takes around 1-2 hours in good conditions
391 2012-04-14 20:46:48 <sipa> fast cpu, fast disk, good network, good peer
392 2012-04-14 20:47:30 <dikidera> Considering there are a lot of "sleeps" inside, a fast CPU wouldn't really contribute much
393 2012-04-14 20:47:55 <dikidera> but you have a point there
394 2012-04-14 20:49:03 <gmaxwell> it really does, assuming the rest is fast.. a good chunk of the end is just cpubound.
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396 2012-04-14 20:50:27 <splatster> gmaxwell: Is it possible to make an output that can be redeemable by anyone? ie. no privkey
397 2012-04-14 20:50:36 <gmaxwell> splatster: sure.
398 2012-04-14 20:50:39 <sipa> splatster: yes
399 2012-04-14 20:50:43 <sipa> not standard, but yes
400 2012-04-14 20:50:48 <splatster> I think that would be interesting for a sort of giveaway.
401 2012-04-14 20:50:57 <dikidera> I think it wouldn't
402 2012-04-14 20:51:06 <dikidera> unless you freely tell people how to "redeem" it
403 2012-04-14 20:51:17 <dikidera> Because, for instance, I don't know how
404 2012-04-14 20:51:20 <gmaxwell> because its non-standard it a bit hard to redeem... also, luke has written code to redeem these already, so its fine if you want to give money to luke. :)
405 2012-04-14 20:51:35 <splatster> heh
406 2012-04-14 20:52:04 <luke-jr> splatster: my client has a mod that automatically tries to spend every output, FWIW
407 2012-04-14 20:52:33 <[Tycho]> luke-jr: it's not effective
408 2012-04-14 20:52:44 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: it's lazy
409 2012-04-14 20:52:54 <splatster> luke-jr: Have tou ever actually redeemed any coins with this modded client?
410 2012-04-14 20:53:06 <dikidera> I say most likely
411 2012-04-14 20:53:39 <luke-jr> splatster: all the time.
412 2012-04-14 20:53:47 <splatster> really?
413 2012-04-14 20:53:53 <splatster> How much?
414 2012-04-14 20:54:05 <[Tycho]> It's easy to make it more effective, but his script only helps is rare cases.
415 2012-04-14 20:54:06 <luke-jr> I used to get p2pool zero-value debug outputs, before I made it check amount >= 1
416 2012-04-14 20:54:16 <splatster> Also, TX IDs or it didn't happen
417 2012-04-14 20:54:28 <luke-jr> 8f07268d72d7f2af635366b812eb291a6a3b7ad5dc5845b5a9656095555c193a
418 2012-04-14 20:54:30 <luke-jr> 3bd28f27f621b31f3fca4c16fa2012a986f68a19dba4b443be04fcdb20d03e77
419 2012-04-14 20:54:34 <luke-jr> 39ed81ea0787b7770ee8b229ad65482d06c9f4841a8f91f59336eacf580899d0
420 2012-04-14 20:55:17 * luke-jr wonders where the 0-amount p2pool ones went
421 2012-04-14 20:55:46 <splatster> 0.12163307 BTC total received isn't that much.
422 2012-04-14 20:55:57 <dikidera> free money is free money
423 2012-04-14 20:56:01 <luke-jr> splatster: this is part of my regular client, which I use for normal txns all the time
424 2012-04-14 20:56:45 <splatster> Ok... 0.12163307 BTC still isn't that much
425 2012-04-14 20:56:58 <[Tycho]> For example, he didn't manage to catch this: http://blockexplorer.com/tx/aea682d68a3ea5e3583e088dcbd699a5d44d4b083f02ad0aaf2598fe1fa4dfd4#o1
426 2012-04-14 20:57:28 <[Tycho]> I think BlueMatt or sipa collected them.
427 2012-04-14 20:57:52 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: I only try arbitrary numbers of OP_1
428 2012-04-14 20:58:00 <sipa> [Tycho]: I didn't.
429 2012-04-14 20:58:03 <dikidera> Is this what you guys do with your free time?
430 2012-04-14 20:58:17 <[Tycho]> dikidera: strange transactions are cool.
431 2012-04-14 20:58:17 * luke-jr was hoping to hit a gold mine when he wrote his script. :p
432 2012-04-14 20:58:30 <[Tycho]> sipa: so it was BlueMatt then.
433 2012-04-14 20:58:53 <splatster> luke-jr: You might find a bunch on testnet.
434 2012-04-14 20:59:08 <splatster> But a goldmine of testnet coins is worthless.
435 2012-04-14 20:59:30 <[Tycho]> splatster: in some cases it may be possible.
436 2012-04-14 21:00:04 <[Tycho]> For example, mtgox lost ~2000+ BTC to strange TXes. Sadly, they are not easy to redeem.
437 2012-04-14 21:00:38 <splatster> I thought those coins that Gox mis-sent were unredeemable.
438 2012-04-14 21:00:55 <[Tycho]> I can't remember exact script.
439 2012-04-14 21:01:14 <[Tycho]> May be they are redeemable if you bruteforce a 0-hash :)
440 2012-04-14 21:01:50 <[Tycho]> But there is still a chance that someone makes a mistake and sends a fortune to redeemable address
441 2012-04-14 21:02:19 <paulo_> can strange transactions harm the network?
442 2012-04-14 21:02:32 <[Tycho]> paulo_: usually not.
443 2012-04-14 21:02:54 <[Tycho]> Except for DOS attempts,
444 2012-04-14 21:03:01 <gmaxwell> Or bugs they exploit.
445 2012-04-14 21:03:26 <gmaxwell> e.g. https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Incidents#LSHIFT_and_RETURN_bugs
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460 2012-04-14 22:17:41 <sipa> luke-jr: you never requested a BIP number for getmemorypool?
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464 2012-04-14 22:23:50 <luke-jr> sipa: I did.
465 2012-04-14 22:24:43 <sipa> amir says he never assigned a number
466 2012-04-14 22:24:49 <luke-jr> 22
467 2012-04-14 22:24:57 <luke-jr> do I need to find my log? :P
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469 2012-04-14 22:26:18 <sipa> i don't care - but i prefer to have a single directory, and amir just gave me number 22 for determinstic wallets
470 2012-04-14 22:26:29 <luke-jr> -.-
471 2012-04-14 22:28:22 <sipa> i'll ask for another
472 2012-04-14 22:28:40 <sipa> another know how to create a Template:Bip on bitcoin.it's wiki?
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474 2012-04-14 22:29:00 <sipa> I copied some code using ambox, but that seems to fail there
475 2012-04-14 22:29:55 <sipa> gmaxwell, MagicalTux: ^
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479 2012-04-14 22:37:21 <luke-jr> [Saturday, March 03, 2012] [9:11:10 PM] <genjix> BIP 22
480 2012-04-14 22:37:23 <luke-jr> sipa: ^
481 2012-04-14 22:38:34 <luke-jr> ironically, when I went to make the wiki page, there was also a BIP 22 already back then; genjix said he didn't approve it, and moved or deleted it
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486 2012-04-14 22:41:13 <luke-jr> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/OP_CHECKSIGEX_DRAFT_BIP <-- "BIP 22" before getmemorypool
487 2012-04-14 22:44:24 <jgarzik> luke-jr, sipa: TD has the right plan... pick a sufficiently large, unused two digit number :)
488 2012-04-14 22:45:05 <luke-jr> jgarzik: that's just asking for trouble :P
489 2012-04-14 22:46:05 <sipa> there was supposed to be nice mechanism, with one person in charge of just assigning numbers
490 2012-04-14 22:46:16 <sipa> but things still get messed up
491 2012-04-14 22:48:07 * luke-jr puts sipa in charge.
492 2012-04-14 22:48:14 * luke-jr runs
493 2012-04-14 22:51:34 <jgarzik> luke-jr: any chance you have a patch, against [remotely] current bitcoin/bitcoin.git code, that updates RPC server to do thread-per-connection?
494 2012-04-14 22:51:58 <luke-jr> jgarzik: yes
495 2012-04-14 22:52:09 <jgarzik> luke-jr: url?
496 2012-04-14 22:52:14 <luke-jr> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/568
497 2012-04-14 22:52:41 <luke-jr> JoelKatz's part includes a comment on it being experimental, but only allows removing it as part of a merge to mainline
498 2012-04-14 22:53:30 <luke-jr> I've kept rebasing this one as master changed, so it should merge cleanly
499 2012-04-14 22:53:52 <luke-jr> as well as continued to test it on Eligius (though it uses getmemorypool now, so not as "busy") and locally
500 2012-04-14 22:56:19 <jgarzik> luke-jr: good to know, thanks. As I noted in the pull req, I like it. With sipa's payment stuff, improving the internal HTTP server becomes even more useful. And that's what the RPC server is, so...
501 2012-04-14 22:56:24 <graingert> sipa: can we get number assignment in the blockchain?
502 2012-04-14 22:56:41 <luke-jr> sipa's payment stuff?
503 2012-04-14 22:56:49 <graingert> sipa: like namecoin
504 2012-04-14 22:56:55 <sipa> graingert: ieeuw
505 2012-04-14 22:57:00 <graingert> heh
506 2012-04-14 22:57:02 <luke-jr> graingert: I think the reason for the human is to filter out BS ;)
507 2012-04-14 22:57:03 <jgarzik> luke-jr: see his email from today, in bitcoin-devel's "fill or kill" discussion
508 2012-04-14 22:57:25 <graingert> unacceptable
509 2012-04-14 22:57:30 <graingert> the block chain is the only law
510 2012-04-14 22:57:36 <sipa> graingert: NO
511 2012-04-14 22:57:47 <jgarzik> luke-jr: https://gist.github.com/1237788
512 2012-04-14 22:57:52 <sipa> the blockchain is the rule for one thing and one thing only: ordering otherwise valid transactions
513 2012-04-14 22:58:03 <graingert> otherwise?
514 2012-04-14 22:58:17 <sipa> transactions that are valid apart from being potentially double spent
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516 2012-04-14 22:58:29 <sipa> the block chain's only function is preventing double spending
517 2012-04-14 22:58:46 <graingert> handy that
518 2012-04-14 22:59:23 <jgarzik> luke-jr: to be specific... when you say "I've kept it up to date with master", are you referring to (a) your local git or (b) the commits found in pull req #568, last updated 10 months ago
519 2012-04-14 22:59:24 <jgarzik> ?
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523 2012-04-14 23:16:38 <luke-jr> jgarzik: the pullreq
524 2012-04-14 23:16:51 <luke-jr> jgarzik: the timestamps in the commits don't change when you rebase
525 2012-04-14 23:17:15 <luke-jr> https://github.com/luke-jr/bitcoin/commit/73636bc230806fadf892398ff2bd73ea5ec310a2 <-- actual commit shows author *and* commit date (4 days ago)
526 2012-04-14 23:18:13 <sipa> indeed, sometimes i'd prefer that github used commit times on the pullreq page
527 2012-04-14 23:18:36 <luke-jr> well, for the "x days ago" bit at least
528 2012-04-14 23:18:50 <sipa> indeed
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543 2012-04-14 23:57:31 <jgarzik> sipa: +1
544 2012-04-14 23:57:35 <jgarzik> luke-jr: ok, thanks
545 2012-04-14 23:57:52 <luke-jr> jgarzik: np, hope it gets in finally
546 2012-04-14 23:58:09 <luke-jr> (though tbh, I'd expect it more of 0.7 than 0.6.1â¦)