1 2012-04-19 00:08:08 Xunie has joined
  2 2012-04-19 00:10:23 chrisb__ has joined
  3 2012-04-19 00:13:34 copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
  4 2012-04-19 00:14:06 copumpkin has joined
  5 2012-04-19 00:16:26 <gmaxwell> ;;tell bluematt hey, why doesn't the jenkins install do all-platform gitian builds automatically?
  6 2012-04-19 00:16:36 <gmaxwell> okay, I fail at gribble.
  7 2012-04-19 00:17:17 <Graet>   ;;later tell bluematt hey, why doesn't the jenkins install do all-platform gitian builds automatically?
  8 2012-04-19 00:17:45 <BlueMatt> you could just tag me...
  9 2012-04-19 00:18:03 <BlueMatt> because gitian needs vt-x to be even remotely reasonably fast
 10 2012-04-19 00:18:07 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: ^
 11 2012-04-19 00:18:15 * Graet tags BlueMatt you are "it", runs away
 12 2012-04-19 00:18:16 <BlueMatt> and aws doesnt provide vt-x :(
 13 2012-04-19 00:18:26 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: okay, then use a remote buildslave.
 14 2012-04-19 00:18:37 <gmaxwell> jenkins can ssh into anything that can run java.
 15 2012-04-19 00:18:58 <BlueMatt> do you have a 24/7 server with vt-x to donate? Im sure gavin would appreciate no longer having to pay for aws anymore...
 16 2012-04-19 00:19:30 <BlueMatt> (and, for the record, jenkins's build scripts are really close to the gitian ones)
 17 2012-04-19 00:19:35 <BlueMatt> pretty much all thats missing is faketime
 18 2012-04-19 00:19:52 <BlueMatt> oh, and I think they run on a different version of ubuntu...
 19 2012-04-19 00:19:53 <gmaxwell> ah I didn't see a win32 cross compile.
 20 2012-04-19 00:20:00 <BlueMatt> no, thats there
 21 2012-04-19 00:20:10 <gmaxwell> (someone in #bitcoin is hitting the crash-on-some-wrong-passwords bug and I want him to try current git)
 22 2012-04-19 00:20:14 * gmaxwell checks the workspace
 23 2012-04-19 00:20:24 <BlueMatt> bitcoin-qt.exe is there
 24 2012-04-19 00:20:27 <BlueMatt> as is bitcoind.exe
 25 2012-04-19 00:20:38 <gmaxwell> oh indeed.
 26 2012-04-19 00:23:25 <gmaxwell> ... and.. he's solved.
 27 2012-04-19 00:23:38 <gmaxwell> The hardest thing about that bug is convincing people their password is wrong. :)
 28 2012-04-19 00:27:47 <BlueMatt> heh
 29 2012-04-19 00:34:50 <seco> wrong choosen pass to wallet encryption?
 30 2012-04-19 00:35:43 <gmaxwell> seco: there is a bug in all current released versions of bitcoin where some wrong passwords crash bitcoin-qt rather than telling you that the password is wrong. (do to some subtle crypto library behavior)
 31 2012-04-19 00:35:54 <gmaxwell> Only about 1/256 wrong passwords does this. The rest tell you that they're wrong.
 32 2012-04-19 00:36:31 <gmaxwell> So— user enters a password... it says wrong.. tries another .. crashes. "Ah that must be right! but, damn! it crashed!"
 33 2012-04-19 00:36:59 <seco> oh, and bug is not traceale somehow?
 34 2012-04-19 00:37:02 <seco> traceable*
 35 2012-04-19 00:37:27 <gmaxwell> traceable?
 36 2012-04-19 00:37:28 <seco> maybe its the password he used when it crashed: some special symbol in it?
 37 2012-04-19 00:37:49 <gmaxwell> No no. It's solved— we just haven't released a new version with the fix yet.
 38 2012-04-19 00:38:06 <gmaxwell> And if it were something _that_ obvious the user would figure it out. nah..
 39 2012-04-19 00:38:09 <seco> yes, somehow this 1 case out of 256 cases needs to be isolated
 40 2012-04-19 00:38:16 <seco> ah k
 41 2012-04-19 00:38:53 <seco> i would show allowed symbols in gui to make sure user dont use weird ones leading unexpected behavior
 42 2012-04-19 00:39:13 <gmaxwell> All symbols are allowed. That wasn't the issue.
 43 2012-04-19 00:39:29 <seco> ill try with some ascii-codechars tomorrow :D
 44 2012-04-19 00:39:48 <seco> oh and some hebrew ones hehe
 45 2012-04-19 00:40:00 <sipa> try as you may
 46 2012-04-19 00:40:29 <gmaxwell> Yes, it's solved.— certian incorrect keys causes the crypto library to toss an error on decryption, because they can be detected as incorrect by virtue of the corrupted padding. Some do not.  The ones that do not were properly getting detected.  It was just a simple error handling bug, caused by the fact that there were two ways it could fail and only one was getting tested because it was more likely.
 47 2012-04-19 00:41:01 <seco> ahh
 48 2012-04-19 00:41:27 <gmaxwell> er* were not properly getting detected.
 49 2012-04-19 00:41:35 <gmaxwell> too many were nots there.
 50 2012-04-19 00:42:10 <seco> working exact sometimes is very hard! :)
 51 2012-04-19 00:42:50 <gmaxwell> Thats a kind of bug where code coverage analysis would have been helpful—
 52 2012-04-19 00:43:09 <gmaxwell> the error handling code that should have run when the password failed wouldn't have been run.
 53 2012-04-19 00:49:04 chrisb__ has quit (Quit: Leaving)
 54 2012-04-19 00:50:57 t7 has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 55 2012-04-19 00:53:17 toffoo has quit ()
 56 2012-04-19 01:03:35 paulo__x has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
 57 2012-04-19 01:09:52 mmoya has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
 58 2012-04-19 01:11:28 riush has joined
 59 2012-04-19 01:15:42 tcatm has quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.)
 60 2012-04-19 01:15:57 tcatm has joined
 61 2012-04-19 01:15:57 tcatm has quit (Changing host)
 62 2012-04-19 01:15:57 tcatm has joined
 63 2012-04-19 01:17:06 A66a27830 has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 64 2012-04-19 01:56:28 eoss has joined
 65 2012-04-19 01:56:29 eoss has quit (Changing host)
 66 2012-04-19 01:56:29 eoss has joined
 67 2012-04-19 02:03:36 minimoose has quit (Quit: minimoose)
 68 2012-04-19 02:11:17 OneMiner has quit (Quit: Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach him how to fish, and he will sit in a boat and drink beer all day)
 69 2012-04-19 02:16:45 OneMiner has joined
 70 2012-04-19 02:21:41 reo33rer has joined
 71 2012-04-19 02:26:30 TheSeven has quit (Disconnected by services)
 72 2012-04-19 02:26:39 [7] has joined
 73 2012-04-19 02:27:32 Zarutian has quit (Quit: Zarutian)
 74 2012-04-19 02:29:36 Turingi has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
 75 2012-04-19 02:30:18 splatster has joined
 76 2012-04-19 02:39:41 paulo_ has joined
 77 2012-04-19 02:40:56 maqr has quit (Quit: Lost terminal)
 78 2012-04-19 02:51:54 knotwork_ has joined
 79 2012-04-19 02:55:04 knotwork has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
 80 2012-04-19 02:55:16 fimpfimp has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
 81 2012-04-19 03:02:29 Clipse has joined
 82 2012-04-19 03:08:24 Diablo-D3 has joined
 83 2012-04-19 03:15:36 ovidiusoft has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
 84 2012-04-19 03:15:40 ovidiusoft has joined
 85 2012-04-19 03:21:23 paulo_ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
 86 2012-04-19 03:34:28 eoss has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 87 2012-04-19 03:37:11 reo33rer has quit (Quit: Leaving)
 88 2012-04-19 03:43:40 bitfoo has joined
 89 2012-04-19 03:45:45 sirk390 has joined
 90 2012-04-19 03:48:42 abbe has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
 91 2012-04-19 03:52:31 abbe has joined
 92 2012-04-19 04:02:22 skeledre1 has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com)
 93 2012-04-19 04:02:53 skeledrew has joined
 94 2012-04-19 04:16:07 sirk390 has left ()
 95 2012-04-19 04:23:36 brwyatt is now known as brwyatt|Away
 96 2012-04-19 04:34:29 luke-jr has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 97 2012-04-19 04:36:56 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: another coinbase payment invalid block: https://blockchain.info/tx-index/4058866/33aa08d106fc7b8a65bb04caa1324566093c6f036f1fad7d860f217096b39c42
 98 2012-04-19 04:41:21 luke-jr has joined
 99 2012-04-19 04:43:10 <splatster> gmaxwell: What's invalid about it
100 2012-04-19 04:43:12 <splatster> ?
101 2012-04-19 04:44:02 <gmaxwell> it includes https://blockchain.info/tx-index/3618498/4005d6bea3a93fb72f006d23e2685b85069d270cb57d15f0c057ef2d5e3f78d2?show_adv=true
102 2012-04-19 04:44:42 <splatster> Ohhh
103 2012-04-19 04:44:53 <splatster> The TX of death.
104 2012-04-19 04:46:17 dvide has quit ()
105 2012-04-19 04:46:48 facefox3 has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
106 2012-04-19 04:47:46 splatster has quit (Quit: I just wanna...)
107 2012-04-19 05:12:39 Cory has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
108 2012-04-19 05:15:14 paulo_ has joined
109 2012-04-19 05:32:39 <wumpus> tcatm: yes, the timestamps are based on when the client first sees the transaction, not when it is in the block chain. Afaik that's both with bitcoind and bitcoin-qt
110 2012-04-19 05:34:26 <wumpus> tcatm: see #754. I'm not sure there is a reliable way to fix this, as the blockchain time is also unreliable 
111 2012-04-19 05:36:39 twobitcoins has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
112 2012-04-19 05:42:27 paulo_ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
113 2012-04-19 05:46:03 OneFixt_ has joined
114 2012-04-19 05:46:31 twobitcoins has joined
115 2012-04-19 05:47:00 word has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
116 2012-04-19 05:48:18 OneFixt has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
117 2012-04-19 05:58:51 RazielZ has joined
118 2012-04-19 05:59:20 merde has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
119 2012-04-19 06:01:51 weex has joined
120 2012-04-19 06:02:30 <weex> python script to watch blockchain.info's websockets stream of txns hitting the network http://paste.pocoo.org/show/583919/
121 2012-04-19 06:03:50 <luke-jr> weex: #bitcoin-watch ?
122 2012-04-19 06:04:49 Slix` has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
123 2012-04-19 06:05:16 <weex> luke-jr: no, not trades
124 2012-04-19 06:05:36 <luke-jr> weex: join and see :P
125 2012-04-19 06:05:47 merde has joined
126 2012-04-19 06:06:23 <weex> you gotta be kidding me
127 2012-04-19 06:07:20 <weex> how long has that been running?
128 2012-04-19 06:07:44 <luke-jr> at least a year now I think
129 2012-04-19 06:07:51 <weex> heh
130 2012-04-19 06:08:04 <weex> ok well anyway https://github.com/weex/Live-bitcoin-transactions
131 2012-04-19 06:08:48 <weex> any delay in that feed on the network side?
132 2012-04-19 06:09:27 <luke-jr> #bitcoin-watch's txn/blk data comes direct from the network
133 2012-04-19 06:09:42 <luke-jr> the bot has a minimal bitcoin node in it
134 2012-04-19 06:09:42 <Joric_> why README.md what does md mean?
135 2012-04-19 06:09:55 <luke-jr> markdown
136 2012-04-19 06:10:10 <weex> yeah makes it easy to clone to put something in there
137 2012-04-19 06:12:45 word has joined
138 2012-04-19 06:13:35 <weex> TBC! nice
139 2012-04-19 06:14:21 <weex> is that a comment in green then?
140 2012-04-19 06:16:00 <luke-jr> ?
141 2012-04-19 06:16:53 <DBordello> luke-jr, cool bot
142 2012-04-19 06:17:01 paulo_ has joined
143 2012-04-19 06:17:03 <weex> 18xnwPCLZFN7NPdbwGtXBMVB426ksSifeS .2 TBC
144 2012-04-19 06:17:08 <weex> a few mins ago
145 2012-04-19 06:19:28 <weex> must have been interesting watching that when the linode thing hit
146 2012-04-19 06:20:27 <luke-jr> maybe, I didn't think to look >_<
147 2012-04-19 06:20:43 <luke-jr> of course, nobody knew about it till too late anyway
148 2012-04-19 06:21:28 <weex> i was told that there were lots of transfers for days after but didn't know of a way to look
149 2012-04-19 06:22:13 Joric_ has quit ()
150 2012-04-19 06:28:33 skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
151 2012-04-19 06:29:23 skeledrew has joined
152 2012-04-19 06:40:57 abbe has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
153 2012-04-19 06:43:55 Cory has joined
154 2012-04-19 06:44:21 paulo__m has joined
155 2012-04-19 06:45:31 abbe has joined
156 2012-04-19 06:45:57 paulo__m_x has joined
157 2012-04-19 06:47:27 paulo_ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
158 2012-04-19 06:49:11 paulo__m_x has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
159 2012-04-19 06:49:24 paulo__m has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
160 2012-04-19 06:50:04 paulo__m_x has joined
161 2012-04-19 06:56:32 Ahimoth has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)
162 2012-04-19 07:00:23 Ahimoth has joined
163 2012-04-19 07:00:27 paulo__m_x has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
164 2012-04-19 07:01:18 AhimothMobile_ has joined
165 2012-04-19 07:01:53 * Diablo-D3 applauds
166 2012-04-19 07:02:00 <Diablo-D3> XMPPwocky: good show
167 2012-04-19 07:02:24 AhimothMobile_ is now known as AhimothMobile
168 2012-04-19 07:06:13 Cory has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
169 2012-04-19 07:07:44 amtal has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
170 2012-04-19 07:09:20 AhimothMobile has left ()
171 2012-04-19 07:10:35 <XMPPwocky> Diablo-D3: heh, thanks
172 2012-04-19 07:10:45 <XMPPwocky> http://xkcd.com/1027/ from here, it's my favorite bitch-slap
173 2012-04-19 07:10:54 fiddur has joined
174 2012-04-19 07:10:57 <Diablo-D3> I know, I recognized it.
175 2012-04-19 07:11:06 <Diablo-D3> I've always wanted to see someone use it and not get caught
176 2012-04-19 07:11:15 imsaguy has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
177 2012-04-19 07:11:27 <Diablo-D3> [03:00:34] <dihi28> well glad that asshole is gone
178 2012-04-19 07:11:37 <Diablo-D3> [03:01:38] <Diablo-D3> What are you talking about, you're still here!
179 2012-04-19 07:11:38 <Diablo-D3> :3
180 2012-04-19 07:14:37 <XMPPwocky> yeah, I actually kinda like channel trolls
181 2012-04-19 07:15:05 Cory has joined
182 2012-04-19 07:17:06 <XMPPwocky> that "speech" + dramatic /part + sockpuppet + dramatic sockpuppet revelation is quite effect
183 2012-04-19 07:17:24 <Diablo-D3> Yeah, its almost addictive
184 2012-04-19 07:17:27 abbe has quit (Quit: The sea is the cemetery of the Château d'If.)
185 2012-04-19 07:20:27 skeledre1 has joined
186 2012-04-19 07:20:27 skeledrew has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
187 2012-04-19 07:22:10 davout has joined
188 2012-04-19 07:25:28 imsaguy has joined
189 2012-04-19 07:34:59 toffoo has joined
190 2012-04-19 07:42:46 capiscuas has joined
191 2012-04-19 07:45:39 twmz_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
192 2012-04-19 07:48:47 paulo_ has joined
193 2012-04-19 07:51:27 twmz_ has joined
194 2012-04-19 07:55:51 noagendamarket has joined
195 2012-04-19 07:58:03 t7 has joined
196 2012-04-19 07:58:18 random_cat has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
197 2012-04-19 07:59:59 davout_ has joined
198 2012-04-19 08:02:41 gjs278 has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
199 2012-04-19 08:03:07 gjs278 has joined
200 2012-04-19 08:03:39 davout has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
201 2012-04-19 08:04:49 skeledre1 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
202 2012-04-19 08:06:47 Phoebus has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
203 2012-04-19 08:07:50 Phoebus has joined
204 2012-04-19 08:11:01 random_cat has joined
205 2012-04-19 08:20:28 skeledre1 has joined
206 2012-04-19 08:23:22 mmoya has joined
207 2012-04-19 08:36:53 molecular has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
208 2012-04-19 08:37:55 molecular has joined
209 2012-04-19 08:43:00 word_ has joined
210 2012-04-19 08:45:55 word has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
211 2012-04-19 08:50:45 Turingi has joined
212 2012-04-19 08:57:31 bitfoo has quit (Excess Flood)
213 2012-04-19 08:57:44 bitfoo has joined
214 2012-04-19 08:59:57 danbri has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
215 2012-04-19 09:00:14 paulo__u has joined
216 2012-04-19 09:00:19 danbri has joined
217 2012-04-19 09:00:37 skeledre1 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
218 2012-04-19 09:00:42 paulo_ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
219 2012-04-19 09:05:15 paulo__u has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
220 2012-04-19 09:06:35 OneFixt has joined
221 2012-04-19 09:10:37 OneFixt_ has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
222 2012-04-19 09:11:47 skeledre1 has joined
223 2012-04-19 09:19:31 <[Tycho]> Does the "official" client sends some string about it's version via p2p ?
224 2012-04-19 09:20:18 <Diablo-D3> iirc no
225 2012-04-19 09:20:28 <Diablo-D3> I think gmaxwell or sipa said it used to but it was taken out
226 2012-04-19 09:21:06 <[Tycho]> luke-jr said something about sending some string containing "Satoshi"
227 2012-04-19 09:21:20 <[Tycho]> But I can see only empty string here
228 2012-04-19 09:23:37 ThomasV has joined
229 2012-04-19 09:23:38 <[Tycho]> Oh, here it is: http://bitcoinstats.org/useragents.html
230 2012-04-19 09:27:26 TD has joined
231 2012-04-19 09:29:02 <[Tycho]> Is it pszSubVer or something else ?
232 2012-04-19 09:32:03 Ragnarok752 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
233 2012-04-19 09:33:03 ForceMajeure has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
234 2012-04-19 09:33:37 ciscoftw has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
235 2012-04-19 09:34:17 ForceMajeure has joined
236 2012-04-19 09:34:43 ForceMajeure is now known as Guest44169
237 2012-04-19 09:35:28 machine2 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
238 2012-04-19 09:35:48 pickett has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
239 2012-04-19 09:37:13 pickett has joined
240 2012-04-19 09:37:50 ciscoftw has joined
241 2012-04-19 09:39:13 <sipa> [Tycho]: since BIP14 (0.6.0 and pre-releases), pszSubVer contains a useragent-like string
242 2012-04-19 09:39:51 machine2 has joined
243 2012-04-19 09:41:15 toffoo has quit ()
244 2012-04-19 09:43:02 <UukGoblin> sorry to ask this again, but I'm having trouble finding this in wikis - with BIP16, what's the largest number of addresses that a transaction can multisig to? As in, I know you can do 2-of-3 and that'll pass IsStandard, but what's the max?
245 2012-04-19 09:46:49 <sipa> the addresses are specified by BIP13, and IsStandard is for now limited to a-of-b, with b no more then 3
246 2012-04-19 09:46:57 <sipa> *than
247 2012-04-19 09:47:20 <UukGoblin> ah, HERE it is, thanks
248 2012-04-19 09:49:33 <UukGoblin> right, any plans to get it at least to 5?
249 2012-04-19 09:50:29 davout_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
250 2012-04-19 09:52:33 <[Tycho]> sipa: can't find it in serialize.h, where should it be ?
251 2012-04-19 09:53:12 <UukGoblin> ah yes, there was this BIP 20-something
252 2012-04-19 09:58:16 <sipa> [Tycho]: in very recent code in version.h/version.cpp
253 2012-04-19 09:58:42 <sipa> and FormatFullVersion is in util
254 2012-04-19 09:59:00 <[Tycho]> const std::string CLIENT_NAME("Satoshi");
255 2012-04-19 10:00:35 <[Tycho]> Doesn't looks like it...
256 2012-04-19 10:02:04 <sipa> that's used by FormatSubVersion in util.cpp
257 2012-04-19 10:02:23 fimpfimp has joined
258 2012-04-19 10:02:37 <sipa> the reported strings can be seen in http://bitcoin.sipa.be/seeds.txt
259 2012-04-19 10:02:56 <[Tycho]> Just found the reference in net.cpp
260 2012-04-19 10:03:22 <[Tycho]> I was trying to find where this string comes from
261 2012-04-19 10:03:48 <[Tycho]> What is that percentage there ? Uptime ?
262 2012-04-19 10:03:54 <sipa> yes
263 2012-04-19 10:04:21 <[Tycho]> What is the purpose of adding "/" to the string ?
264 2012-04-19 10:04:31 <sipa> read BIP14
265 2012-04-19 10:05:12 <[Tycho]> What I'm concerned about is how other clients should use the numeric version field...
266 2012-04-19 10:05:32 <sipa> that's the protocol version
267 2012-04-19 10:05:47 <sipa> which will evolve separately from the client version
268 2012-04-19 10:05:54 <sipa> also in BIP14
269 2012-04-19 10:06:00 <[Tycho]> Ok, I'll read it.
270 2012-04-19 10:06:18 <[Tycho]> So I should use the closest match to official client's features ?
271 2012-04-19 10:09:25 <sipa> For what?
272 2012-04-19 10:10:26 <[Tycho]> Looks like BIP14 contains all the answers I need.
273 2012-04-19 10:11:49 <sipa> if you're talking about your pool's nodes: use the protocol version you support (afaik no changes
274 2012-04-19 10:12:08 <sipa> between 30200 and 60000)
275 2012-04-19 10:12:11 TD_ has joined
276 2012-04-19 10:12:13 <[Tycho]> No, I was talking about separate implementation of bitcoin protocol.
277 2012-04-19 10:12:39 <sipa> What are you implementing?
278 2012-04-19 10:12:48 fimpfimp has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
279 2012-04-19 10:12:48 pebbles has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
280 2012-04-19 10:13:20 <[Tycho]> Currently I only have half-nodes, but it may be fun to try implementing complete functionality.
281 2012-04-19 10:13:30 Clipse has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
282 2012-04-19 10:14:35 <sipa> from scratch?
283 2012-04-19 10:14:37 Internet13 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
284 2012-04-19 10:14:39 <[Tycho]> Yes.
285 2012-04-19 10:14:46 <sipa> Good luck.
286 2012-04-19 10:15:05 <[Tycho]> Do you think it's impossible ?
287 2012-04-19 10:15:48 TD has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
288 2012-04-19 10:15:48 TD_ is now known as TD
289 2012-04-19 10:16:03 <sipa> No, but depening on what you mean by complete functionality, I believe it's easy to underestimate how much work it is.
290 2012-04-19 10:16:10 <sipa> Hello TD
291 2012-04-19 10:16:16 <TD> hi
292 2012-04-19 10:16:17 <[Tycho]> Well, not THAT complete :)
293 2012-04-19 10:16:58 Internet13 has joined
294 2012-04-19 10:17:26 <sipa> TD: BIP31 says "can have a nonce", regarding the ping request. Do you intend it to be optional, even after protocol version 60000?
295 2012-04-19 10:17:44 <TD> i guess that's a bug in the BIP. the code I wrote assumes one will be present
296 2012-04-19 10:17:49 <TD> or at least it tries to read one from the stream
297 2012-04-19 10:17:56 <TD> not sure what satoshis code does if you try and read beyond the end of a message
298 2012-04-19 10:18:06 capiscuas_ has joined
299 2012-04-19 10:18:16 <sipa> throw an exception
300 2012-04-19 10:19:06 <sipa> jgarzik modified the implementation a bit, and now luke wanted to change bit based on the fact that the BIP said "can have".
301 2012-04-19 10:19:41 <sipa> It seems saner to me to make it mandatory.
302 2012-04-19 10:20:17 <[Tycho]> BIP14 says "/Satoshi:5.64/bitcoin-qt:0.4/", but real life says "/bitcoin-qt:0.5.99/" - why ?
303 2012-04-19 10:21:24 capiscuas has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
304 2012-04-19 10:21:27 <sipa> The intention was to hide which UI was running (preventing attackers from guessing which are home systems and which are servers)
305 2012-04-19 10:21:59 <[Tycho]> Intention of what ?
306 2012-04-19 10:22:15 <sipa> Up to some version before 0.6.0rc1, the client reported bitcoin-qt as client name (also for bitcoind)
307 2012-04-19 10:22:33 <sipa> Afterwards, that was changed to "Satoshi"
308 2012-04-19 10:25:27 Cryo has joined
309 2012-04-19 10:50:29 Wack0 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
310 2012-04-19 10:53:21 <TD> sipa: yeah it seems simpler to just require it
311 2012-04-19 10:53:30 <TD> sipa: i doubt many implementations actually send ping today anyway, given how useless it is
312 2012-04-19 10:55:55 <sipa> agree
313 2012-04-19 11:04:39 paulo_ has joined
314 2012-04-19 11:07:46 cande has joined
315 2012-04-19 11:09:44 paulo_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
316 2012-04-19 11:10:29 pebbles has joined
317 2012-04-19 11:13:27 Wack0 has joined
318 2012-04-19 11:14:49 paulo_ has joined
319 2012-04-19 11:30:19 Joric has joined
320 2012-04-19 11:34:02 upb has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
321 2012-04-19 11:38:11 paulo__v has joined
322 2012-04-19 11:40:36 paulo_ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
323 2012-04-19 11:40:40 upb has joined
324 2012-04-19 11:40:40 upb has quit (Changing host)
325 2012-04-19 11:40:40 upb has joined
326 2012-04-19 11:45:32 occulta has joined
327 2012-04-19 11:49:31 toffoo has joined
328 2012-04-19 12:01:36 cdecker has joined
329 2012-04-19 12:01:44 slush1 has joined
330 2012-04-19 12:02:05 knotwork_ is now known as knotwork
331 2012-04-19 12:03:27 capiscuas_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
332 2012-04-19 12:04:02 occulta has quit (Quit: KVIrc 4.1.1 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/)
333 2012-04-19 12:05:04 wereHams1er is now known as wereHamsetr
334 2012-04-19 12:05:07 wereHamsetr is now known as wereHamseter
335 2012-04-19 12:07:21 fimpfimp has joined
336 2012-04-19 12:09:43 Mr_Tiggr has joined
337 2012-04-19 12:09:51 MrTiggr has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
338 2012-04-19 12:16:11 Lolcust has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
339 2012-04-19 12:17:10 Lolcust has joined
340 2012-04-19 12:31:24 Mr_Tiggr is now known as MrTiggr
341 2012-04-19 12:34:33 darkee has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
342 2012-04-19 12:36:59 datagutt has joined
343 2012-04-19 12:38:48 <Diablo-D3> http://lists.grok.org.uk/pipermail/full-disclosure/2012-April/086585.html
344 2012-04-19 12:41:43 <Joric> bitcoin client doesn't send or receive asn.1
345 2012-04-19 12:43:09 minimoose has joined
346 2012-04-19 12:46:47 Ragnarok752 has joined
347 2012-04-19 12:52:02 <t7> fuck yeah 0 day
348 2012-04-19 12:52:14 <t7> im gon steal all your coinz
349 2012-04-19 12:56:13 OneMiner has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
350 2012-04-19 12:57:02 OneMiner has joined
351 2012-04-19 12:57:53 <luke-jr> sipa: why waste the bandwidth on a pong that will be ignored?
352 2012-04-19 12:58:22 <sipa> why complicate the protocol with an extra test?
353 2012-04-19 12:58:31 <sipa> it's only 8 bytes ffs
354 2012-04-19 13:04:48 <Joric> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=34458.0 Dan Kaminsky considered bitcoin is one of the top five most interesting security projects of the decade
355 2012-04-19 13:05:45 noagendamarket has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
356 2012-04-19 13:05:56 <Joric> i'm watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQoykhNoBbY atm :) Black Ops of TCP/IP 2011
357 2012-04-19 13:08:02 darkee has joined
358 2012-04-19 13:09:34 <Joric> there was a part where he tries to find at least one classic bug but there's like too few code to exploit or something
359 2012-04-19 13:10:02 <Joric> said there are two major design flaws - does not scale and totally not anonymous
360 2012-04-19 13:12:12 cande has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
361 2012-04-19 13:14:08 Phoebus has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)
362 2012-04-19 13:19:03 fimpfimp has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
363 2012-04-19 13:21:49 <Joric> why fat ppl like white tshirts with prints so much, it looks nasty
364 2012-04-19 13:22:10 rdponticelli has joined
365 2012-04-19 13:26:53 tower has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
366 2012-04-19 13:29:47 ski_ has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
367 2012-04-19 13:30:53 ski_ has joined
368 2012-04-19 13:31:01 [7] has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
369 2012-04-19 13:31:46 <ThomasV> Joric: what was the url of your javascript tool?
370 2012-04-19 13:31:48 Joric_ has joined
371 2012-04-19 13:31:48 Joric_ has quit (Changing host)
372 2012-04-19 13:31:48 Joric_ has joined
373 2012-04-19 13:31:58 <Joric_> 7:12 - "huge amounts of the security model are represented with lines of code that are just missing - like, you get to the point and the bug is supposed to be there but it's just not there..."
374 2012-04-19 13:32:19 tower has joined
375 2012-04-19 13:35:00 pickett has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
376 2012-04-19 13:35:39 Joric has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
377 2012-04-19 13:36:02 Joric_ is now known as Joric
378 2012-04-19 13:36:44 <ThomasV> Joric: what was the url of your javascript tool that generates addresses?
379 2012-04-19 13:36:59 <Joric> not mine
380 2012-04-19 13:37:05 <Joric> http://brainwallet.org
381 2012-04-19 13:37:18 <ThomasV> whose is it?
382 2012-04-19 13:37:38 <Joric> hell knows
383 2012-04-19 13:38:47 <jeremias> https://github.com/brainwallet/brainwallet.github.com
384 2012-04-19 13:38:57 <ThomasV> Joric: how did you learn about it?
385 2012-04-19 13:39:15 <ThomasV> thanks jeremias
386 2012-04-19 13:39:19 <jeremias> can anyone validate the javascript
387 2012-04-19 13:39:43 guruvan has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
388 2012-04-19 13:40:13 <jeremias> why is the electrum method so much slower than armory method?
389 2012-04-19 13:40:31 guruvan has joined
390 2012-04-19 13:40:57 <ThomasV> probably because of the key stretching
391 2012-04-19 13:41:26 <jeremias> does it have any advantages?
392 2012-04-19 13:42:05 <ThomasV> I don't think it is safe to type your seed in a random webpage. but we could use this code with the master public key, though
393 2012-04-19 13:42:14 <gmaxwell> It's really inadvisable to use a JS tool for generating private key material, and also really inadvisable to use a key which a human made up as key material.
394 2012-04-19 13:42:55 <lianj> ThomasV: it runs locally on your side
395 2012-04-19 13:43:03 davout has joined
396 2012-04-19 13:43:09 <gmaxwell> Joric: you didn't create the brainwallet site? Why were you asking gavin for an endorsement of it?
397 2012-04-19 13:43:19 <ThomasV> lianj: yes, until it starts behaving differently
398 2012-04-19 13:43:25 <jeremias> maybe if you download the html file, disconnect your computer from the internet, and then use it
399 2012-04-19 13:43:27 <gmaxwell> Joric: why have you been talking about the technical details in features in it? I'm totally confused.
400 2012-04-19 13:44:07 <lianj> ThomasV: then clone the github repo and do code review and run it from your disk
401 2012-04-19 13:44:21 <ThomasV> so, nobody knows who runs this website with massive phising potential? lol
402 2012-04-19 13:44:21 <Joric> gmaxwell, i didn't ask for something and i didn't start the current conversation
403 2012-04-19 13:44:49 <ThomasV> Joric: did you spot the heading zeroes bug?
404 2012-04-19 13:45:04 <gmaxwell> jeremias: it's still pretty poor: JS doesn't have really trustworthy RNG sources, it's very slow so it discourages adequate strengthening, there is no mlock or ability to make sure private keys aren't left in memory by the garbage collector, or swapped to disk.
405 2012-04-19 13:45:57 <Joric> ThomasV, it's there in the js
406 2012-04-19 13:46:12 <ThomasV> Joric: yes I saw it. that's why I am asking
407 2012-04-19 13:46:20 <gmaxwell> Joric: Then perhaps I misunderstood wrt you asking earlier.  I'm still confused as to, e.g. why you were trying to figure out the electrum format, you found a bunch of quirks in it.. then brainwallet got electrum support and you're claiming you're not responsible for brainwallet now?
408 2012-04-19 13:47:22 pickett has joined
409 2012-04-19 13:50:04 <helo> busted!
410 2012-04-19 13:50:08 <Joric> i didn't try to figure out electrum format it's all in the source )
411 2012-04-19 13:50:23 <Joric> okay, god, i'm a lousy conspirator
412 2012-04-19 13:50:47 <jeremias> does electrum have a brainwallet support?
413 2012-04-19 13:50:57 <jeremias> or offline transaction support?
414 2012-04-19 13:50:59 <Joric> and i'm supposed to work rather than pushing useless stuff to remote repository
415 2012-04-19 13:52:03 <ThomasV> Joric: ok, but where did you find about that website?
416 2012-04-19 13:52:29 <ThomasV> jeremias: yes, see docs here: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Electrum
417 2012-04-19 13:52:37 copumpkin has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
418 2012-04-19 13:57:53 att has joined
419 2012-04-19 13:57:53 <ThomasV> I posted a warning here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=37.0
420 2012-04-19 14:03:18 <ThomasV> and, reposted in the Armory thread
421 2012-04-19 14:06:18 ELT has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
422 2012-04-19 14:07:00 ELT has joined
423 2012-04-19 14:13:30 ELT has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
424 2012-04-19 14:14:54 <TD> sipa: does bitcoin ship its own openssl on windows?
425 2012-04-19 14:15:58 <ThomasV> Joric: where did you first find about brainwallet.org?
426 2012-04-19 14:16:42 <sipa> TD: not sure really; BlueMatt will know
427 2012-04-19 14:16:51 <Joric> ThomasV, reddit!
428 2012-04-19 14:16:56 <TD> i'm wondering whether todays advisory affects us
429 2012-04-19 14:16:58 <TD> my initial hunch - no
430 2012-04-19 14:17:00 <TD> http://www.openssl.org/news/secadv_20120419.txt
431 2012-04-19 14:17:19 <TD> the only place DER/ASN.1 is used is, afaik, parsing the signature structures (pubkeys also?)
432 2012-04-19 14:17:29 <TD> and that's not going to be coming from BIO or FILE
433 2012-04-19 14:17:38 <sipa> TD: signatures and private keys in unencrypted wallets
434 2012-04-19 14:18:01 <sipa> pubkeys are serialized using SEC's encoding
435 2012-04-19 14:18:17 <Joric> yeah encrypted use 32-byte secret instead
436 2012-04-19 14:18:52 <ThomasV> Joric: I don't see it at reddit. do you still have that link?
437 2012-04-19 14:19:01 gp5st has joined
438 2012-04-19 14:19:11 <TD> sipa: ah yeah privkeys. but they are parsed from memory i'd think
439 2012-04-19 14:19:17 <sipa> yes
440 2012-04-19 14:19:23 copumpkin has joined
441 2012-04-19 14:19:48 gp5st has left ()
442 2012-04-19 14:19:53 <Joric> ThomasV, can't find aswell
443 2012-04-19 14:19:54 ELT has joined
444 2012-04-19 14:20:30 banshee12 has left ()
445 2012-04-19 14:24:49 ELT has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
446 2012-04-19 14:25:14 ELT has joined
447 2012-04-19 14:27:35 banshee12 has joined
448 2012-04-19 14:29:50 ELT has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
449 2012-04-19 14:30:58 fiddur has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
450 2012-04-19 14:47:50 danbri has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
451 2012-04-19 14:47:59 danbri has joined
452 2012-04-19 14:49:06 <ThomasV> Joric: http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2012/04/09/2#l3312089
453 2012-04-19 14:49:14 Guest44169 is now known as ForceMajeure
454 2012-04-19 14:49:15 <ThomasV> 10:53 	Joric 	sipa, one jerk you don't know him
455 2012-04-19 14:49:38 <ThomasV> does that imply you know him?
456 2012-04-19 14:50:16 * sipa still suspects Joric being the jerk
457 2012-04-19 14:50:57 <Cryo> there is only one Jerk, and he was born a poor black child...
458 2012-04-19 14:54:30 <ThomasV> well, the domain was registered on the same day, a few hours earlier
459 2012-04-19 14:55:21 abbe has joined
460 2012-04-19 14:57:03 <Joric> no doubt it's satoshi nakamoto
461 2012-04-19 15:02:41 <ThomasV> "you don't know him" suggests that you know something about the author.
462 2012-04-19 15:11:35 <jgarzik> sipa, TD: I would prefer the nonce be required
463 2012-04-19 15:11:39 <jgarzik> in ping
464 2012-04-19 15:11:43 <TD> yeah
465 2012-04-19 15:12:10 abbe has quit (Quit: The sea is the cemetery of the Château d'If.)
466 2012-04-19 15:18:23 <jgarzik> TD: would you mind updating the BIP 31 doc to reflect?
467 2012-04-19 15:18:35 <jgarzik> TD: also, the merged logic for version was enabling if "> 60000"
468 2012-04-19 15:18:45 <jgarzik> TD: thus 60001 supports pong
469 2012-04-19 15:19:54 <TD> is the wiki readonly for everyone right now or did something happen to my account?
470 2012-04-19 15:20:23 <Joric> bips 23-29 are reserved for future use?
471 2012-04-19 15:21:19 <sipa> Joric: ask genjix
472 2012-04-19 15:22:17 <ThomasV> TD: section editing seems disabled, but I can still use the edit button in the main tab
473 2012-04-19 15:22:47 <TD> i only see "read" where "edit" should be.
474 2012-04-19 15:22:53 <TD> not sure why
475 2012-04-19 15:23:00 <TD> if somebody else wants to make the edits jgarzik suggests please do
476 2012-04-19 15:23:05 <TD> otherwise i'll try again later
477 2012-04-19 15:23:38 <sipa> are you logged in?
478 2012-04-19 15:23:38 <jgarzik> TD: yeah I am unable to edit as well
479 2012-04-19 15:23:42 <ThomasV> TD: it is protected
480 2012-04-19 15:23:46 <TD> sipa: yes
481 2012-04-19 15:23:51 <jgarzik> sigh
482 2012-04-19 15:23:54 <TD> ThomasV: the whole wiki or just the BIP 31 article?
483 2012-04-19 15:24:00 <jgarzik> TD: sounds like genjix must be poked
484 2012-04-19 15:24:02 <ThomasV> (cur | prev) 17:12, 16 April 2012‎ Genjix (Talk | contribs)‎ m (2,846 bytes) (Protected "BIP 0032" ([edit=sysop] (indefinite) [move=sysop] (indefinite)))
485 2012-04-19 15:24:18 <TD> this is BIP 31 not 32, but why would he do that ?
486 2012-04-19 15:24:30 <TD> oh, he moved it
487 2012-04-19 15:24:35 <TD> that's confusing
488 2012-04-19 15:24:46 <sipa> probably an attempt to prevent people from just making BIP pages without obtaining a number
489 2012-04-19 15:25:51 <TD> eyeroll
490 2012-04-19 15:25:53 <sipa> TD: i asked for a number for the deterministic wallets proposal, and he gave me 31 at first
491 2012-04-19 15:25:54 <TD> who cares what number it has
492 2012-04-19 15:26:20 <sipa> anyone who doesn't like number clashes, i suppose
493 2012-04-19 15:26:38 <TD> they could just have names ....
494 2012-04-19 15:26:44 davout has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
495 2012-04-19 15:26:46 Zarutian has joined
496 2012-04-19 15:26:48 <TD> i can never remember what a given number corresponds to without looking it up anyway
497 2012-04-19 15:27:17 davout has joined
498 2012-04-19 15:28:30 <jgarzik> TD, sipa: The saga...  I asked genjix to add BIP 31 to the master index at https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Bitcoin_Improvement_Proposals , which requires genjix to edit.  He said that BIP 31 was reserved by sipa, and so, renamed it to BIP 32.  Then I applied a cluebat and asked him to stop being a PITA by renumbering, pointed to the patch sipa ACK'd, so genjix renamed it back to BIP 31.
499 2012-04-19 15:28:45 <jgarzik> thus, BIP 31 was, for an hour or two, BIP 32
500 2012-04-19 15:29:11 darkee has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
501 2012-04-19 15:29:53 <jgarzik> sipa: yep, genjix grumbled at people having the audacity [tone: sarcasm] to create their own BIP page
502 2012-04-19 15:30:09 darkee has joined
503 2012-04-19 15:30:59 <TD> the moment somebody tries to own the BIP process is the point at which it starts being more cost than benefit, IMHO. design docs are useful. paperwork, less so.
504 2012-04-19 15:31:07 <jgarzik> yep :/
505 2012-04-19 15:31:15 <luke-jr> jgarzik: annoyingly, he's assigned BIP 22 at least twice
506 2012-04-19 15:31:50 <sipa> jgarzik: well, i kinda agree with requiring that a BIP needs more than "i create a wiki page"
507 2012-04-19 15:32:10 <sipa> but the process now seems awkward, not well known, and painful
508 2012-04-19 15:32:15 <luke-jr> sipa: yes, but editing on the wiki is easier
509 2012-04-19 15:32:31 <luke-jr> it makes sense to Protect when they go past Draft, but not before IMO
510 2012-04-19 15:33:11 <gmaxwell> agreed that BIP shouldn't mean BAD IDEA PUBLICATION. Also it's very useful for someone to be grooming them.  Not good if it's becoming burdensome for things which are not obviously crazy.
511 2012-04-19 15:34:03 <paulo__v> it is possible to send sub-cent transactions without fees, but blocks won't accept them, right?
512 2012-04-19 15:34:13 <sipa> paulo__v: some miners may
513 2012-04-19 15:34:21 <gmaxwell> paulo__v: in general nodes will not relay them.
514 2012-04-19 15:34:44 <luke-jr> paulo__v: you'll want to connect to the FRN
515 2012-04-19 15:34:47 <gmaxwell> (so even if there may exist some miner who will mine them (though I've not seen recent evidence of that) they may never hear them)
516 2012-04-19 15:37:09 <XMPPwocky> http://www.openssl.org/news/secadv_20120419.txt uh-oh.
517 2012-04-19 15:37:32 <XMPPwocky> i'm pretty sure bitcoin is vulnerable to thjs
518 2012-04-19 15:37:49 <luke-jr> XMPPwocky: I'm pretty sure we already ruled it out.
519 2012-04-19 15:37:58 <XMPPwocky> oh, good.
520 2012-04-19 15:38:31 <sipa> XMPPwocky: we don't use BIO or FILE to read ASN-encoded data (only from memory; signatures and private keys in particular)
521 2012-04-19 15:38:44 <XMPPwocky> sipa: ah
522 2012-04-19 15:40:37 m00p has joined
523 2012-04-19 15:41:19 * Eliel_ wonders what happened to BIPs 22-29
524 2012-04-19 15:44:56 chrisb__ has joined
525 2012-04-19 15:46:07 <Joric> paulo__v, try -connect jun.dashjr.org or -connect relay.eligius.st
526 2012-04-19 15:46:33 Diablo-D3 has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
527 2012-04-19 15:50:02 Diablo-D3 has joined
528 2012-04-19 15:52:45 ThomasV has quit (Quit: Leaving)
529 2012-04-19 15:55:24 t7 has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
530 2012-04-19 16:04:30 m00p has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
531 2012-04-19 16:07:18 <da2ce7> I've finnaly completed some builds I can consider myself happy with... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=77301.0 (sorry OT native binaries are I've only compiled on windows)...
532 2012-04-19 16:07:24 fimpfimp has joined
533 2012-04-19 16:07:34 <da2ce7> "Unofficial Open Transactions and Moneychanger Builds"
534 2012-04-19 16:07:45 paulo__v has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
535 2012-04-19 16:12:13 <jgarzik> TD: shall I email genjix, to ask him to unprotect BIP 31?
536 2012-04-19 16:12:21 <TD> sure, please
537 2012-04-19 16:14:14 <jgarzik> TD: is your preferred email plan99 or goog?
538 2012-04-19 16:14:19 <jgarzik> for CC'ing
539 2012-04-19 16:14:39 <TD> either works for me. i guess you can use my @google.com address. i use my personal one for because i'm lazy, essentially
540 2012-04-19 16:14:42 <TD> and don't use github often
541 2012-04-19 16:23:31 <jgarzik> heh, SpaceX got back to me
542 2012-04-19 16:24:44 <kish> how do i get bitcoin compiled with static libraries?
543 2012-04-19 16:25:43 <gmaxwell> You probably don't want that.
544 2012-04-19 16:26:12 <gmaxwell> But you can basically just stuff -static in the linking step. Of course you have to actually have static versions of the libraries in question.
545 2012-04-19 16:29:02 <kish> yeah, i don't want that
546 2012-04-19 16:30:10 <luke-jr> make -f makefile.unix LMODE=static
547 2012-04-19 16:30:38 <luke-jr> Eliel_: what happend to BIP 22?
548 2012-04-19 16:31:42 pusle has joined
549 2012-04-19 16:44:24 <Eliel_> luke-jr: they're not on the list.
550 2012-04-19 16:45:59 p0s has joined
551 2012-04-19 16:52:26 wereHamseter is now known as wereHamster
552 2012-04-19 16:55:27 <banshee12> gmaxwell: is it possible to send money to yourself (from a wallet you own to a receiving address in that same wallet) to consolidate all your funds in a few private keys with the standard client?
553 2012-04-19 17:02:24 <luke-jr> yes
554 2012-04-19 17:02:32 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: your obituary forgot BitPenny
555 2012-04-19 17:04:00 <banshee12>  luke-jr: yes i can send coins to myself?
556 2012-04-19 17:04:17 <luke-jr> banshee12: yes
557 2012-04-19 17:08:38 slush1 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
558 2012-04-19 17:13:32 <jgarzik> gmaxwell: obituary?
559 2012-04-19 17:13:41 <jgarzik> er, s/gmaxwell/luke-jr/
560 2012-04-19 17:13:51 <luke-jr> jgarzik: for dead pools when BIP16 went live
561 2012-04-19 17:14:16 <luke-jr> BitPenny's missed the boat for 19 days now >_<
562 2012-04-19 17:14:21 cdecker has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
563 2012-04-19 17:14:37 <OneFixt> luke-jr: thanks...
564 2012-04-19 17:14:51 <luke-jr> jgarzik: in case you missed it, we had a major protocol change Apr 1 that broke all older miners
565 2012-04-19 17:15:02 <luke-jr> OneFixt: it was a nice obituary! :P
566 2012-04-19 17:15:05 <OneFixt> lol
567 2012-04-19 17:15:15 <OneFixt> we're gonna be back on the boat soon
568 2012-04-19 17:15:21 <luke-jr> OneFixt: ☺
569 2012-04-19 17:16:52 Diablo-D3 has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
570 2012-04-19 17:18:32 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: doh. Was it bitpenny making those coinbaser style blocks I pointed out?
571 2012-04-19 17:19:01 Clipse has joined
572 2012-04-19 17:20:38 Diablo-D3 has joined
573 2012-04-19 17:21:03 <OneFixt> gmaxwell: which ones?
574 2012-04-19 17:22:20 <jgarzik> luke-jr: yes, aware of the proto change.  didn't know about all the dead pools
575 2012-04-19 17:25:23 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: no, they were making blocks with BIP16-invalid transactions
576 2012-04-19 17:25:44 <luke-jr> also, what "coinbaser-style blocks"?
577 2012-04-19 17:27:05 Diablo-D3 has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
578 2012-04-19 17:28:20 Diablo-D3 has joined
579 2012-04-19 17:29:09 ThomasV has joined
580 2012-04-19 17:30:38 <gmaxwell> OneFixt: < gmaxwell> Anyone here mine on a small pool that does coinbase payments? https://blockchain.info/tx-index/4058866/33aa08d106fc7b8a65bb04caa1324566093c6f036f1fad7d860f217096b39c42
581 2012-04-19 17:31:00 <luke-jr> ah
582 2012-04-19 17:31:15 <luke-jr> I don't think BitPenny does though (does it, OneFixt?)
583 2012-04-19 17:31:31 <OneFixt> ah, we don't use coinbaser but we do coinbase payment
584 2012-04-19 17:31:37 <OneFixt> i'll check if this was ours
585 2012-04-19 17:31:43 <luke-jr> ah
586 2012-04-19 17:31:53 <gmaxwell> OneFixt: I've been asking around about that one for a while now. :)
587 2012-04-19 17:32:01 <OneFixt> oops, sorry =)
588 2012-04-19 17:32:26 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: the coinbase scriptSig looks too simple for BitPenny IIRC
589 2012-04-19 17:32:27 <gmaxwell> (not that particular block— but the not easily identified blocks that were doing coinbase payments)
590 2012-04-19 17:33:21 topace has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
591 2012-04-19 17:34:52 Clipse has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
592 2012-04-19 17:35:37 <OneFixt> gmaxwell: yeah.. that looks like our block
593 2012-04-19 17:35:37 topace has joined
594 2012-04-19 17:35:38 topace has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
595 2012-04-19 17:36:48 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: I guess the giveaway should have been them coming from different IPs ;)
596 2012-04-19 17:37:07 <luke-jr> there's only 2 pools that do miner-side block submission
597 2012-04-19 17:37:16 * luke-jr should enable gmp-proxy to do it…
598 2012-04-19 17:42:44 gavinandresen has joined
599 2012-04-19 17:43:02 TheSeven has joined
600 2012-04-19 17:50:29 <jgarzik> TD: ping (in PM)
601 2012-04-19 17:53:00 Clipse has joined
602 2012-04-19 17:59:48 <[Tycho]> What was wrong with that block ?
603 2012-04-19 17:59:54 <[Tycho]> Lack of P2SH ?
604 2012-04-19 18:02:10 mmoya has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
605 2012-04-19 18:02:26 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: yes, this is all your fault
606 2012-04-19 18:04:39 <luke-jr> :P
607 2012-04-19 18:05:57 <gmaxwell> [Tycho]: it just includes that txn of death.
608 2012-04-19 18:06:35 <[Tycho]> Cool. I thought it was forgotten already.
609 2012-04-19 18:06:55 <gmaxwell> Nope. still slaying blocks..
610 2012-04-19 18:07:18 <[Tycho]> luke-jr: you have just only a single node ?
611 2012-04-19 18:07:40 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: ?
612 2012-04-19 18:07:53 <[Tycho]> luke-jr: http://bitcoinstats.org/useragents.html
613 2012-04-19 18:08:13 Turingi has quit (Quit: Leaving)
614 2012-04-19 18:08:57 <luke-jr> [Tycho]: a single node exposed to the public, yes
615 2012-04-19 18:09:00 osmosis has joined
616 2012-04-19 18:09:49 <luke-jr> at least, with non-stock code
617 2012-04-19 18:27:47 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: laanwj opened issue 1125 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1125>
618 2012-04-19 18:47:11 talpan has joined
619 2012-04-19 18:53:16 ThomasV has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
620 2012-04-19 18:53:40 rdponticelli has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
621 2012-04-19 19:03:05 ThomasV has joined
622 2012-04-19 19:09:02 ThomasV has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
623 2012-04-19 19:10:41 TD has quit (Quit: TD)
624 2012-04-19 19:11:46 talpan has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
625 2012-04-19 19:14:08 skeledre1 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
626 2012-04-19 19:15:56 skeledre1 has joined
627 2012-04-19 19:16:37 zeiris has joined
628 2012-04-19 19:19:29 rdponticelli has joined
629 2012-04-19 19:25:27 nhodges has joined
630 2012-04-19 19:26:40 tower has quit (Quit: | ReactOS - The FOSS alternative to MS Windows! | http://www.reactos.org/ | join #ReactOS |)
631 2012-04-19 19:28:56 datagutt has quit (Quit: kthxbai)
632 2012-04-19 19:34:45 RazielZ has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
633 2012-04-19 19:36:13 cande has joined
634 2012-04-19 19:36:44 gavinandresen has left ()
635 2012-04-19 19:38:45 erle- has joined
636 2012-04-19 19:38:53 Lolcust has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
637 2012-04-19 20:08:44 tower has joined
638 2012-04-19 20:18:04 graingert has joined
639 2012-04-19 20:20:20 pusle has quit ()
640 2012-04-19 20:25:44 <luke-jr> imo, should be merged for 0.6.1: 936, 1032, 1113, 1122, 1090, 829, 917, 1002, 1124, 1119, 1121
641 2012-04-19 20:26:39 magnatort has joined
642 2012-04-19 20:26:54 <luke-jr> sipa: gmaxwell ^
643 2012-04-19 20:29:48 topace has joined
644 2012-04-19 20:29:48 topace has quit (Changing host)
645 2012-04-19 20:29:48 topace has joined
646 2012-04-19 20:30:17 <jgarzik> luke-jr: (RE pull #936)  IMO, JSON-RPC changes are not BIP material.  That's a client interface, not something multiple bitcoin clients need to agree upon.
647 2012-04-19 20:30:23 <jgarzik> 936 has sufficient ACKs
648 2012-04-19 20:31:08 <luke-jr> jgarzik: getmemorypool is a cross-implementation miner protocol
649 2012-04-19 20:33:52 <luke-jr> jgarzik: do you happen to know what the conclusion was (re 1113) on useless pongs?
650 2012-04-19 20:35:15 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: whats the real issue now— they're useless now in this client.. but can be used by other clients and in the future.
651 2012-04-19 20:35:32 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: yes, but should clients that don't use them be required to receive them?
652 2012-04-19 20:35:59 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: basically, can a client leave off the nonce if it doesn't want a response?
653 2012-04-19 20:36:50 <luke-jr> looks like BIP 31 was updated to require it
654 2012-04-19 20:37:13 <graingert> !google bitcoin github pull request 936
655 2012-04-19 20:37:14 <gribble> Pull Request #936: BIP22: getmemorypool by luke-jr · bitcoin/bitcoin ...: <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/936>; Pull Request #899: Fix addrProxy setting by sipa · bitcoin ... - GitHub: <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/899>; Pull Request #21: Add option "-splash" so we can disable ... - GitHub: <https://github.com/coblee/litecoin/pull/21>
656 2012-04-19 20:40:03 abbe has joined
657 2012-04-19 20:52:01 MrTiggr has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
658 2012-04-19 20:52:21 magnatort has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
659 2012-04-19 20:53:57 guruvan has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
660 2012-04-19 20:54:39 guruvan has joined
661 2012-04-19 20:55:06 danbri_ has joined
662 2012-04-19 20:57:45 danbri has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
663 2012-04-19 21:01:54 machine2 has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
664 2012-04-19 21:08:02 minimoose has quit (Quit: minimoose)
665 2012-04-19 21:08:15 ciscoftw has quit ()
666 2012-04-19 21:08:24 mod6 has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
667 2012-04-19 21:08:49 Cherothald has joined
668 2012-04-19 21:08:53 machine2 has joined
669 2012-04-19 21:09:45 abbe has quit (Quit: The sea is the cemetery of the Château d'If.)
670 2012-04-19 21:11:31 cande has quit (Quit: Lämnar)
671 2012-04-19 21:13:21 abbe has joined
672 2012-04-19 21:16:22 talpan has joined
673 2012-04-19 21:21:31 ThomasV has joined
674 2012-04-19 21:27:22 int0x27h_ has quit (Changing host)
675 2012-04-19 21:27:22 int0x27h_ has joined
676 2012-04-19 21:27:28 int0x27h_ is now known as int0x27h
677 2012-04-19 21:39:32 ThomasV has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
678 2012-04-19 21:43:15 TD has joined
679 2012-04-19 21:43:28 TD_ has joined
680 2012-04-19 21:43:55 TD has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
681 2012-04-19 21:44:24 TD has joined
682 2012-04-19 21:46:16 danbri has joined
683 2012-04-19 21:46:29 danbri_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
684 2012-04-19 21:48:25 TD_ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
685 2012-04-19 21:51:55 imsaguy3 has joined
686 2012-04-19 21:51:56 imsaguy has quit (Disconnected by services)
687 2012-04-19 21:51:59 imsaguy3 is now known as imsaguy
688 2012-04-19 21:55:14 maqr has joined
689 2012-04-19 21:55:47 DamascusVG has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
690 2012-04-19 21:56:25 DamascusVG has joined
691 2012-04-19 21:56:25 DamascusVG has quit (Changing host)
692 2012-04-19 21:56:25 DamascusVG has joined
693 2012-04-19 22:00:12 <midnightmagic> clear
694 2012-04-19 22:05:25 <Joric> charging
695 2012-04-19 22:07:22 <gmaxwell> Gimme 100 joules. On my mark.
696 2012-04-19 22:07:38 <gmaxwell> mark.
697 2012-04-19 22:07:39 * gmaxwell cooks a hotdog
698 2012-04-19 22:07:42 <gmaxwell> yumm.
699 2012-04-19 22:08:14 <Diablo-D3> or 30 seconds in a microwave.
700 2012-04-19 22:08:22 <Diablo-D3> btw, gmaxwell, you know the trick, right?
701 2012-04-19 22:08:41 <Diablo-D3> microwave safe plate, paper towel, hotdog, another paper towel on top of that
702 2012-04-19 22:09:07 <Diablo-D3> just make sure not to overcook, it wont explode, but the edges will turn into beef jerky alarmingly quick
703 2012-04-19 22:10:19 <gmaxwell> hah. I cook tofurkey sausage like that otherwise its prone to drying out.
704 2012-04-19 22:10:32 <Diablo-D3> yeah exactly
705 2012-04-19 22:10:43 <Diablo-D3> but you dont want it to be soggy rubbery meat either
706 2012-04-19 22:15:31 p0s has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
707 2012-04-19 22:22:26 toffoo has quit ()
708 2012-04-19 22:25:26 graingert has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
709 2012-04-19 22:25:34 localhost has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
710 2012-04-19 22:26:43 OneFixt has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
711 2012-04-19 22:28:32 erle- has quit (Quit: erle-)
712 2012-04-19 22:29:18 localhost has joined
713 2012-04-19 22:29:24 talpan has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
714 2012-04-19 22:35:02 mmoya has joined
715 2012-04-19 22:43:12 att has quit (Quit: Leaving)
716 2012-04-19 22:48:05 brwyatt is now known as Away!~brwyatt@pool-96-226-232-89.dllstx.fios.verizon.net|brwyatt
717 2012-04-19 22:48:12 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, or you could use a grill
718 2012-04-19 22:48:16 <phantomcircuit> but insanity
719 2012-04-19 22:49:17 osmosis has quit (Quit: Leaving)
720 2012-04-19 22:52:09 chrisb__ has quit (Quit: Leaving)
721 2012-04-19 22:52:10 eoss has joined
722 2012-04-19 22:52:10 eoss has quit (Changing host)
723 2012-04-19 22:52:10 eoss has joined
724 2012-04-19 22:55:18 davout has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
725 2012-04-19 22:55:49 davout has joined
726 2012-04-19 23:00:08 TD has quit (Quit: TD)
727 2012-04-19 23:00:18 davout has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
728 2012-04-19 23:03:46 mmoya has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
729 2012-04-19 23:05:14 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/04/19/2158205/fbi-seizes-server-providing-anonymous-remailer-service
730 2012-04-19 23:05:19 <phantomcircuit> i lold pretty hard at that
731 2012-04-19 23:05:32 <phantomcircuit> they have like zero chance of catching the person sending the bomb threats through technical means
732 2012-04-19 23:08:17 <MC1984> there are still anon remailers?
733 2012-04-19 23:09:16 copumpkin has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
734 2012-04-19 23:21:46 paulo__v has joined
735 2012-04-19 23:24:15 Joric has quit ()
736 2012-04-19 23:27:55 <phantomcircuit> MC1984, there are people who run mixmaster
737 2012-04-19 23:28:04 <phantomcircuit> riseup and tormail use it iirc
738 2012-04-19 23:29:57 OneFixt has joined
739 2012-04-19 23:43:39 copumpkin has joined
740 2012-04-19 23:45:38 Diablo-D3 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
741 2012-04-19 23:48:35 BurtyB has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
742 2012-04-19 23:49:00 BurtyB has joined
743 2012-04-19 23:53:47 copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
744 2012-04-19 23:54:49 copumpkin has joined
745 2012-04-19 23:59:15 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: drizztbsd opened pull request 1126 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1126>