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   6 2012-04-20 00:19:31 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: luke-jr opened issue 1127 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1127>
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  18 2012-04-20 00:59:40 <Glasswalker> Hey, I'm writing my own miner as an experiment. (also writing my own SHA256 from scratch.) I've finished the sha256 code, but I want to validate it's hashing correctly. I'd like to compare it against a known good piece of hashing code (not a full miner, just something I can spit the contents of a JSON getwork into and see what the outputs are at each stage)
  19 2012-04-20 01:00:04 <Glasswalker> php, python, go, java, any are ok, anyone know of any sample code I could be pointed at?
  20 2012-04-20 01:00:26 <Glasswalker> just want something so I can plug the same values into my code and the known good code, and confirm mine is outputting the same values
  21 2012-04-20 01:00:39 <Glasswalker> (all the endianness wierdness in SHA2 have me concerned I'll be doing something silly)
  22 2012-04-20 01:01:16 <Glasswalker> I was looking at the python code in the wiki for the block hashing algorithm
  23 2012-04-20 01:01:25 <luke-jr> Glasswalker: SHA2 doesn't have any endian weirdness.
  24 2012-04-20 01:01:28 <Glasswalker> but it isn't meant for the getwork protocol
  25 2012-04-20 01:01:56 <luke-jr> try with http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/code/earlyshare.json
  26 2012-04-20 01:02:00 <Glasswalker> luke-jr: by wierdness I mean groupings of 32bit big endian numbers concatenated when the host machine is little-endian
  27 2012-04-20 01:02:16 <Glasswalker> I'm just concerned somewhere I'm flipping endianness when I shouldn't or something lol
  28 2012-04-20 01:03:00 <Glasswalker> ok so that's the newer json result for getwork?
  29 2012-04-20 01:03:38 <luke-jr> it's a work that has a valid share early on
  30 2012-04-20 01:03:51 <Glasswalker> right, at this stage I'm not looking for shares
  31 2012-04-20 01:04:01 <Glasswalker> I'm literally trying to validate that I didn't screw up SHA256
  32 2012-04-20 01:04:11 <BitAvenue> Guys, hypothetically, is it possible to write a miner that uses GPU's more efficiently than is what currently out there
  33 2012-04-20 01:04:14 <Glasswalker> my algorithm expects to get midstate
  34 2012-04-20 01:04:43 <Glasswalker> so I need code that can take that getwork, calc midstate, and then generate a valid hash from the midstate and data parts, so I can sub my algorithm into the later half and see if the output is the same
  35 2012-04-20 01:05:10 <Glasswalker> to be very specific I've written my own full implementation of SHA256 in Verilog
  36 2012-04-20 01:05:19 <luke-jr> Glasswalker: midstate is deprecated.
  37 2012-04-20 01:05:21 <Glasswalker> and I need to build a testbench to validate the SHA core works as expected
  38 2012-04-20 01:06:13 <Glasswalker> luke-jr: that's fine, but because it's an FPGA solution I am only passing it the pre-calculated midstate. I realize midstate is deprecated as far as getwork protocol is concerned, but I still don't want the FPGA calculating both hashes
  39 2012-04-20 01:06:37 <luke-jr> Glasswalker: write a cgminer driver?
  40 2012-04-20 01:07:25 <Glasswalker> well yes, but that's severe overkill
  41 2012-04-20 01:08:01 <Glasswalker> all I'm looking for is a snippet of sample code (the like 10-20 lines required to generate midstate, then generate the hash from that)
  42 2012-04-20 01:08:46 <Glasswalker> so I can plug known getwork data into it, output the hex midstate and hash so I can plug those into my testbench in Xilinx ISE, then run my testbench, and compare the hash my SHA256 core outputs against the one the sample code outputs
  43 2012-04-20 01:09:18 <Glasswalker> once that works I'll take it to the next step and complete a real bitcoin mining core which can search for a valid nonce
  44 2012-04-20 01:09:34 <Glasswalker> but first I just want to validate that my SHA256 algorithm is sound and not broken :)
  45 2012-04-20 01:11:15 <Glasswalker> I realize the algorithm is published for bitcoin hashing, but my point is there are dozens of SHA implementations, they all do things slightly different for handling a midstate. And then there is different languages ways of encoding and so on
  46 2012-04-20 01:11:50 <Glasswalker> I was just hoping for an example piece of "known working" code that I can rely on as my test case. instead of having to write an entire bloody miner just to test a single 512bit SHA256 block :)
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  48 2012-04-20 01:12:23 <luke-jr> cgminer is known working.
  49 2012-04-20 01:12:25 <Glasswalker> and since I don't know if the single 512bit block works, wrapping it in a full SHA256 algorithm (with padding, and multiple blocks) just overcomplicates the test case
  50 2012-04-20 01:13:10 <Glasswalker> ok, I guess I'll go dig through cgminer's code. I was hoping there was something in a forum post, or wiki page with 20lines of code as an example, but I guess I was being overly optimistic ;)
  51 2012-04-20 01:13:35 <Glasswalker> (example, the code on this page https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Block_hashing_algorithm but designed for working with midstate instead of a raw block header)
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  53 2012-04-20 01:15:15 <h4ckm3th32nd> hey guys, I have a weird issue; whenever I enter my password to add a new address it crashes the client... this happens on different computers and with different backups of the wallet.dat file any ideas?
  54 2012-04-20 01:16:03 <Glasswalker> come to think of it, that example can be modified fairly easily to do midstate since I know the output
  55 2012-04-20 01:16:07 <Glasswalker> nevermind I'm an idiot ;)
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  58 2012-04-20 01:32:50 <midnightmagic> we seem to be pretty much the only users of lfnet..
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  60 2012-04-20 01:33:44 <midnightmagic> why does lfnet continue operating?
  61 2012-04-20 01:36:20 <sipa> h4ckm3: you h4ckm3th32nd?
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  64 2012-04-20 01:45:46 <Glasswalker> ugh except I can't for the life of me figure out how to get out a midstate from the python sha256 module. Or how to prime it with a midstate.
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  67 2012-04-20 01:48:08 <h4ckm3_> has anyone written anything like this yet?  http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/3313/are-there-bitcoin-password-crackers-i-can-use-to-recover-forgotten-passwords
  68 2012-04-20 01:48:16 <h4ckm3_> I will pay for it if one has
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  70 2012-04-20 01:58:40 <midnightmagic> lol
  71 2012-04-20 01:59:15 <midnightmagic> h4ckm3_: HOW MUCH?!
  72 2012-04-20 01:59:37 <h4ckm3_> I have no idea
  73 2012-04-20 01:59:45 <h4ckm3_> not more than is in the wallet naturally
  74 2012-04-20 02:00:02 <h4ckm3_> 64^32 entropy i think?
  75 2012-04-20 02:00:17 <h4ckm3_> A-Z a-z 0-9 *32
  76 2012-04-20 02:00:21 <h4ckm3_> even possible?
  77 2012-04-20 02:03:06 <h4ckm3_> even if someone told me to forget it... that'd be nice. i just need some math and some closure
  78 2012-04-20 02:05:20 <h4ckm3_> 6.27710173539e+57
  79 2012-04-20 02:05:25 <h4ckm3_> is my math correct?
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  82 2012-04-20 02:10:47 totallynotdwon is now known as mircea_popescu
  83 2012-04-20 02:11:06 mircea_popescu is now known as dwon
  84 2012-04-20 02:20:41 <nanotube> h4ckm3_: 32 random alphanumeric chars - you can forget about it.
  85 2012-04-20 02:21:00 <h4ckm3_> thank you nanotube
  86 2012-04-20 02:21:12 <h4ckm3_> I knew that but I still needed to hear it
  87 2012-04-20 02:21:25 <nanotube> heh
  88 2012-04-20 02:21:34 <nanotube> how much in your wallet?
  89 2012-04-20 02:21:38 <h4ckm3_> how many years would that take?
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  91 2012-04-20 02:21:40 <h4ckm3_> like 3k
  92 2012-04-20 02:21:41 <nanotube> do you have any unencrypted backups by any chance?
  93 2012-04-20 02:21:43 <h4ckm3_> USD
  94 2012-04-20 02:21:49 <Cory> Ouch. :(
  95 2012-04-20 02:21:56 <h4ckm3_> indeed
  96 2012-04-20 02:21:58 <h4ckm3_> no
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  98 2012-04-20 02:22:16 <nanotube> coin supply just reduced by 600. everyone's coins that much more valuable. news at 11. :)
  99 2012-04-20 02:22:28 <h4ckm3_> lol
 100 2012-04-20 02:22:38 * h4ckm3_ shoots self in the face
 101 2012-04-20 02:22:42 <nanotube> h4ckm3_: not sure how long it'd take, depends on how much processing power you can throw at it...
 102 2012-04-20 02:23:19 <h4ckm3_> i h4ck3d myself
 103 2012-04-20 02:23:40 <h4ckm3_> no idea why the password in the passman isn't working
 104 2012-04-20 02:23:52 <h4ckm3_> I must have saved the wrong one or something
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 108 2012-04-20 02:24:28 <nanotube> hm, do you have any backups of your encrypted pw store?
 109 2012-04-20 02:24:34 <nanotube> maybe you accidentally changed the pw at some point
 110 2012-04-20 02:24:43 <nanotube> so if you have backups, you can see if older copies have a different pw
 111 2012-04-20 02:25:11 <nanotube> or maybe you somehow changed the pw on your wallet... in that case, encrypted backups of wallet could also be tried...
 112 2012-04-20 02:25:29 <h4ckm3_> i will look , I fear however that is not the case I checked the password on wallet generation by generating a new address, the address is named passtest
 113 2012-04-20 02:25:41 <h4ckm3_> it worked
 114 2012-04-20 02:25:43 <h4ckm3_> i saved it
 115 2012-04-20 02:25:48 <h4ckm3_> sent coins to it
 116 2012-04-20 02:25:52 <h4ckm3_> now it won't work
 117 2012-04-20 02:26:08 <h4ckm3_> I MUST be at fault, sucks not knowing how
 118 2012-04-20 02:26:30 <da2ce7> h4ckm3: if you remeber _most_ of the password, it shoudn't be too hard to brute-force
 119 2012-04-20 02:26:37 <h4ckm3_> I will double check all of my backups
 120 2012-04-20 02:26:43 <da2ce7> as the entropy will be quite low.
 121 2012-04-20 02:26:52 <h4ckm3_> I only know the length and the charset
 122 2012-04-20 02:26:59 <h4ckm3_> it was generated
 123 2012-04-20 02:27:06 <h4ckm3_> 32 char
 124 2012-04-20 02:27:16 <da2ce7> oh... your fucked.
 125 2012-04-20 02:27:20 <h4ckm3_> indeed
 126 2012-04-20 02:27:44 <h4ckm3_> oversecurity hurts more than it helps i think
 127 2012-04-20 02:28:30 <nanotube> anyone have any idea how many aes256 pws can be tried per second on a modern cpu?
 128 2012-04-20 02:28:48 <seco> there is some weird bug i heard about (already fixed for 0.7, or 0.6.1), where bitcoin crashes if a wrong password is typed in (but only in SOME cases of a wrong password it crashes): Eventually you just hammer always the same -wrong- pass into it, and had a small typo or such?
 129 2012-04-20 02:29:13 <h4ckm3_> i had that error eralier actually
 130 2012-04-20 02:29:17 <h4ckm3_> earlier
 131 2012-04-20 02:29:19 <h4ckm3_> *
 132 2012-04-20 02:29:26 <seco> other wrong passes would lead to errors, but the RIGHT password always lead to success
 133 2012-04-20 02:29:38 <h4ckm3_> well it wasn't right
 134 2012-04-20 02:29:40 <h4ckm3_> ...
 135 2012-04-20 02:29:43 <seco> k, just a guess
 136 2012-04-20 02:29:46 <h4ckm3_> ty
 137 2012-04-20 02:30:39 <h4ckm3_> I have emotionally abandoned hope, I just want to know how long it would take theoretically. to crack
 138 2012-04-20 02:30:46 * da2ce7 note to self, always backup passwords as many times as my private keys, and data
 139 2012-04-20 02:31:00 <h4ckm3_> I can reduce the entropy
 140 2012-04-20 02:31:29 <h4ckm3_> By knowing that it didn't have 000 or any three chars the same in a row
 141 2012-04-20 02:31:40 <h4ckm3_> and that it is in fact 32 char
 142 2012-04-20 02:31:53 <h4ckm3_> and only A-Z a-z 0-9
 143 2012-04-20 02:32:18 <h4ckm3_> but I realize that any chance of success is highly improbable
 144 2012-04-20 02:32:32 <seco> but if you remember facts/details about your pass, you could set limits on the passgenerator for bruteforce, and maybe youre done after a few million tries! - Just start bitcoind like it is, or bitcoin-qt with -server parameter, and write bash script around "walletpassphrase" or "walletpassphrasechange" (see https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Original_Bitcoin_client/API_Calls_list#Full_list)
 145 2012-04-20 02:32:36 <h4ckm3_> I have many backups of the password
 146 2012-04-20 02:32:42 <h4ckm3_> the password just doesn't work
 147 2012-04-20 02:32:51 <h4ckm3_> the backup was flawed
 148 2012-04-20 02:32:59 <h4ckm3_> I should have checked again before sending to it
 149 2012-04-20 02:33:11 <da2ce7> (2.31 x 10^57)  - (3.73 x 10^55)
 150 2012-04-20 02:33:14 <da2ce7> I think.
 151 2012-04-20 02:33:32 <da2ce7> ;;calc (2.31 x 10^57)  - (3.73 x 10^55)
 152 2012-04-20 02:33:32 <gribble> Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
 153 2012-04-20 02:33:42 <seco> 2272700000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
 154 2012-04-20 02:33:43 <seco> :)
 155 2012-04-20 02:33:52 <h4ckm3_> 6.27710173539e+57
 156 2012-04-20 02:34:11 <h4ckm3_> how many tries per second?
 157 2012-04-20 02:35:31 <nanotube> let's even take the best case scenario, 1 pw per cpu instruction (grossly overoptimistic)
 158 2012-04-20 02:35:43 <seco> haha oh yes
 159 2012-04-20 02:35:49 <nanotube> so say on a 3ghz cpu, you then can try 3e9 pws
 160 2012-04-20 02:35:53 <nanotube> per second
 161 2012-04-20 02:36:09 <nanotube> so how many seconds does it take to try 2e57 pws?
 162 2012-04-20 02:36:14 <nanotube> hint: a crapton :)
 163 2012-04-20 02:37:28 <nanotube> ;;calc 62**32/3*10**9/[seconds 1y]
 164 2012-04-20 02:37:28 <gribble> 24021836255884823903335157332867542095114058786300820979712
 165 2012-04-20 02:37:31 <nanotube> that many years.
 166 2012-04-20 02:37:51 <nanotube> that appears to be significantly longer than the age of the universe. :)
 167 2012-04-20 02:37:56 <seco> mhm 6425551437837148091213376 years if my calc doesnt eat itself with the seize of the numbers
 168 2012-04-20 02:38:09 <nanotube> you appear to be missing a lot of years :)
 169 2012-04-20 02:38:10 <seco> haha hmm
 170 2012-04-20 02:38:11 <h4ckm3_> oh jeeze
 171 2012-04-20 02:38:26 <seco> shame on gcalctool 5 :p
 172 2012-04-20 02:38:29 <nanotube> heh
 173 2012-04-20 02:38:37 <nanotube> ;;seconds 1f
 174 2012-04-20 02:38:37 <gribble> (seconds [<years>y] [<weeks>w] [<days>d] [<hours>h] [<minutes>m] [<seconds>s]) -- Returns the number of seconds in the number of <years>, <weeks>, <days>, <hours>, <minutes>, and <seconds> given. An example usage is "seconds 2h 30m", which would return 9000, which is '3600*2 + 30*60'. Useful for scheduling events at a given number of seconds in the future.
 175 2012-04-20 02:38:42 <nanotube> ;;seconds 1y
 176 2012-04-20 02:38:42 <gribble> 31536000
 177 2012-04-20 02:38:44 <nanotube> heh
 178 2012-04-20 02:39:09 <nanotube> i think it appears that even if you harness the the processing power of the entire planet, you're SOL
 179 2012-04-20 02:39:17 <h4ckm3_> ha
 180 2012-04-20 02:39:54 * seco prays last devotion to h4ckm3_ 's coins
 181 2012-04-20 02:40:06 <h4ckm3_> well I do know some things about the password so maybe in a few million years
 182 2012-04-20 02:40:14 * nanotube goes to buy a celebratory bitcoin on mtgox, in anticipation of the resulting appreciation :)
 183 2012-04-20 02:40:23 <h4ckm3_> and that is just trying AES256?
 184 2012-04-20 02:40:40 <nanotube> h4ckm3_: well, that is assuming it takes one cpu instruction to try a password.
 185 2012-04-20 02:41:12 <nanotube> in reality, the pw generates an aes key, then the aes key is attempted against the data... it takes likely several hundred instructions to do a complete round
 186 2012-04-20 02:41:22 <nanotube> even with the built-in aes instruction set on some cpus.
 187 2012-04-20 02:41:26 <seco> youd be happy if you get even to ram with the whole password in one instruction...not saying anything about the try :p
 188 2012-04-20 02:41:53 <nanotube> but hey, what's a factor of 1e2 or 1e3 between friends, when we are talking about a bajillion years. :)
 189 2012-04-20 02:41:56 <h4ckm3_> the math is awesome
 190 2012-04-20 02:42:22 <h4ckm3_> so 4096 PGP is crazy then
 191 2012-04-20 02:42:46 <seco> i guess so
 192 2012-04-20 02:43:33 <da2ce7> h4ckm3: well wait for quantum computers, that should half the number of bits of entropy.
 193 2012-04-20 02:43:52 <h4ckm3_> oooo
 194 2012-04-20 02:44:08 <nanotube> yea so only half a bajillion.
 195 2012-04-20 02:44:22 <h4ckm3_> I think I will just sulk and then get back to work
 196 2012-04-20 02:44:26 <h4ckm3_> ty guys
 197 2012-04-20 02:44:51 <nanotube> heh well, gl. you can also think about what could have happened, maybe you can figure it out.
 198 2012-04-20 02:44:51 <da2ce7> nanotube: no... it woutld not be subtaction but divistion on the difficulty.
 199 2012-04-20 02:45:07 <da2ce7> so it would be equiv of a 16 char password insted of a 32
 200 2012-04-20 02:45:07 <nanotube> da2ce7: oh yea, sqrt of years.
 201 2012-04-20 02:45:08 <h4ckm3_> I'll let you knwo
 202 2012-04-20 02:45:08 <seco> just FYI: i always keep a history of passwords on notes of my passmanagers: there is always some restore of a backup of a thing where you say: damn this backup runs with the pass before the current one...and your done :p
 203 2012-04-20 02:45:23 <nanotube> h4ckm3_: maybe tomorrow someone can come up with some possibilities...
 204 2012-04-20 02:45:27 <nanotube> but yea don't hold your breath.
 205 2012-04-20 02:45:51 <h4ckm3_> yea, it's not 50k
 206 2012-04-20 02:45:57 <h4ckm3_> or 200k
 207 2012-04-20 02:46:06 <nanotube> heh, as it happens, even if it was 200k, the math wouldn't have changed a bit. :)
 208 2012-04-20 02:46:15 <h4ckm3_> true
 209 2012-04-20 02:46:19 <da2ce7> h4ckm3: once you have setup a less bad password backup procedure, I'll send you 1btc to get your new wallet up and running.
 210 2012-04-20 02:46:26 <h4ckm3_> lol
 211 2012-04-20 02:46:39 <h4ckm3_> I have a bunch of others that work perfectly well
 212 2012-04-20 02:47:02 <k9quaint> I tattoo my passwords on Kim Kardashian's ass
 213 2012-04-20 02:47:04 <da2ce7> ok
 214 2012-04-20 02:47:08 <luke-jr> da2ce7: quantum computers also break ECDSA, so he wouldn't *need* the keys anymore :P
 215 2012-04-20 02:47:08 <h4ckm3_> this one for some reason just didn't work
 216 2012-04-20 02:47:12 <da2ce7> lol
 217 2012-04-20 02:47:31 <h4ckm3_> I have password backups but they are all wrong
 218 2012-04-20 02:47:50 <luke-jr> h4ckm3_: random survey…
 219 2012-04-20 02:48:09 <h4ckm3_> either way thanks, and you're welcome for the BTC appreciation
 220 2012-04-20 02:48:11 <da2ce7> luke-jr: I guess... he couldn't spend the coins to more secure address before ECDSA gets weak.
 221 2012-04-20 02:48:17 <luke-jr> h4ckm3_: if the client gave you the option to allow an 8-of-10 developer keys to unlock your wallet, would you have used it?
 222 2012-04-20 02:48:51 <h4ckm3_> hell yes, you guys thinking of developing something like that?
 223 2012-04-20 02:49:02 <luke-jr> not afaik, was j/w
 224 2012-04-20 02:49:09 <nanotube> luke-jr: i don't think developers would want to have to deal with the inevitable flood of recovery requests.
 225 2012-04-20 02:49:16 <nanotube> which have to be authenticated also.
 226 2012-04-20 02:49:20 <luke-jr> nanotube: yeah, probably would want a separate group of people
 227 2012-04-20 02:49:23 <h4ckm3_> unless they are payed
 228 2012-04-20 02:49:25 <da2ce7> luke-jr: that is a neat idea... just include their public keys with the client, and use threshold encription.
 229 2012-04-20 02:49:29 <h4ckm3_> which I would have also done
 230 2012-04-20 02:49:41 <nanotube> luke-jr: how can one prove that the wallet is yours, rather than a lifted stolen file from someone else?
 231 2012-04-20 02:49:42 <luke-jr> there's an idea
 232 2012-04-20 02:49:45 <da2ce7> and set it as optional
 233 2012-04-20 02:49:59 <luke-jr> nanotube: use the alert broadcast to send a new special alert
 234 2012-04-20 02:50:14 <nanotube> and what would it say?
 235 2012-04-20 02:50:24 <luke-jr> nanotube: all clients with <address foo> turn red and alert the user that the wallet has been proposed for recovery
 236 2012-04-20 02:50:28 <luke-jr> for a week before it's released
 237 2012-04-20 02:50:42 <luke-jr> or maybe a month
 238 2012-04-20 02:50:55 <h4ckm3_> that sounds solid
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 240 2012-04-20 02:51:05 <nanotube> hmm... what if it's someone's savings wallet?
 241 2012-04-20 02:51:07 <luke-jr> with info on how to contact someone if that's in error
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 243 2012-04-20 02:51:11 <nanotube> and he doesn't tend to use it much
 244 2012-04-20 02:51:15 <luke-jr> nanotube: they should still have a watch-only on it ;)
 245 2012-04-20 02:51:19 <nanotube> heh
 246 2012-04-20 02:51:22 <nanotube> well, maybe
 247 2012-04-20 02:51:33 <nanotube> guess as long as it is optional to enable the feature
 248 2012-04-20 02:51:46 <seco> nanotube: then he could still have access on the wallet where he sent the coins to, and could also sign some proof
 249 2012-04-20 02:51:59 <nanotube> seco: yes but i mean he wouldn't notice the alert
 250 2012-04-20 02:52:05 <nanotube> because his live wallet doesn't have the addresses in question
 251 2012-04-20 02:52:30 <seco> no but he has some address from which the coins went to the backup wallet
 252 2012-04-20 02:53:10 <nanotube> well, the alert would only trigger on actual addresses in wallet, not to any upstream addresses
 253 2012-04-20 02:53:15 <da2ce7> I think that we should intergrated gpg encription for the wallets... just using the localy installed gpg.
 254 2012-04-20 02:53:22 <nanotube> otherwise, when dudeX wants a recovery, anyone who's ever sent him money will get the alert.
 255 2012-04-20 02:53:36 <seco> so alerting of "x layers" of addresses the coin came from should push enough people to questioned wallet.dat's recovery request
 256 2012-04-20 02:53:52 <nanotube> seco: yes, X layers would probably catch like half of all the bitcoin users. :)
 257 2012-04-20 02:54:16 <nanotube> for certain values of X. :)
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 259 2012-04-20 02:55:08 <seco> well yes, if that wallet to recover was one very frequent used, and has hundrets of receiving addresses stored AND ALL ADRESSES are affected by the recovery alert yes
 260 2012-04-20 02:55:37 <seco> but if you only pick a few "random ones of interest" out, you could combine
 261 2012-04-20 02:55:49 <da2ce7> why don't you just have a public-hash-name for every generated wallet.
 262 2012-04-20 02:55:52 <seco> ...with coin-history, and do some "intelligent alert"
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 264 2012-04-20 02:56:07 <nanotube> mmm
 265 2012-04-20 02:56:13 <da2ce7> and the client just checks if the alert matches their wallet, or one of the matching wallets.
 266 2012-04-20 02:56:53 <luke-jr> so when I steal your wallet, I just have to change that one public-hash-name? :p
 267 2012-04-20 02:56:55 <seco> that doesnt scale down the amount of alerted users, i think it does opposite
 268 2012-04-20 02:57:30 <seco> but anyway: thats a really cool idea luke :D
 269 2012-04-20 02:57:30 <da2ce7> what do you mean, the alert will just show on bitcoin instances that have that particular wallet mentioned.
 270 2012-04-20 02:57:52 <luke-jr> da2ce7: yes, so before I send in the wallet for recovery, I change that wallet-id so the real owner isn't alerted..
 271 2012-04-20 02:58:22 <da2ce7> no... have the walletID non-mutable.
 272 2012-04-20 02:58:26 <luke-jr> …
 273 2012-04-20 02:58:32 <luke-jr> data is always mutable.
 274 2012-04-20 02:58:46 <seco> da2ce7: this means you want to alert always all users belonging to a senders-address of a coin in the wallet
 275 2012-04-20 02:59:00 <luke-jr> safest to just alert the public keys (both forms!) of any private keys being recovered
 276 2012-04-20 02:59:05 <da2ce7> as in, a lower level to the password recovery... original ID is encripted as well to the developers.
 277 2012-04-20 02:59:31 <da2ce7> so if you change the walletID... then when the developrers decript it... the will find the ID's not matching
 278 2012-04-20 03:00:00 <da2ce7> and the developers will be alreted to the scamer
 279 2012-04-20 03:00:37 <luke-jr> da2ce7: ah, so tie the encrypted data to it
 280 2012-04-20 03:00:49 <luke-jr> da2ce7: I still think best to alert people with different wallets having imported the key
 281 2012-04-20 03:01:21 <da2ce7> ya
 282 2012-04-20 03:02:00 <seco> giving responsibility to devs is too large centralisation on that: some trusted usergroup like "30 highest rated OTC members" who would agree in contributing of wallet-recovery in self-organised manner should take care on that
 283 2012-04-20 03:02:38 <seco> i mean its p2p system, so push all to the peers :)
 284 2012-04-20 03:03:12 <seco> great idea to keep almost dead coins alive!
 285 2012-04-20 03:03:45 <luke-jr> so N-of-M not-necessarily-developers, paid a reasonable fee, with a week/month long warning to all clients with the key being recovered :P
 286 2012-04-20 03:04:23 <luke-jr> perhaps it can even be plugin-based
 287 2012-04-20 03:04:45 <luke-jr> "If you want to use a wallet recovery service, select their key file here:"
 288 2012-04-20 03:05:34 <seco> another approach is to just suggest users to print out (some) private keys of a wallet: in case of emergency to be able to recover a whole lost wallet with a bunch of printed keys from the beginning of the wallet-usage
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 290 2012-04-20 03:06:43 <seco> but it leads to some paradoxon if you regard a encrypted wallet you cannot look in :D
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 292 2012-04-20 03:07:54 <seco> plugin structure would be in anyway some cool feature: you will wonder what kind of crazy plugins will be written if one just allows such integration through some kind of script language :D
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 294 2012-04-20 03:08:29 <seco> like browser extensions :)
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 296 2012-04-20 03:08:41 <luke-jr> seco: that would be terriblre
 297 2012-04-20 03:09:59 <seco> opens doors for all kind of fishy adds, but someone could drive a market on that to take care of :p
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 323 2012-04-20 04:07:23 <echelon> using bitcoin-qt 0.6.0
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 374 2012-04-20 07:59:05 <wumpus> echelon: can you check debug.log for UPnP related messages?
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 376 2012-04-20 08:03:00 <echelon> just a bunch of "UPnP Port Mapping successful." messages
 377 2012-04-20 08:05:16 <davout> hey
 378 2012-04-20 08:05:27 <echelon> hi
 379 2012-04-20 08:05:35 <davout> little question : how do i build bitcoin with full ssl support
 380 2012-04-20 08:05:50 <davout> i built it with a transaction/block monitoring patch
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 382 2012-04-20 08:06:30 <davout> but it complains about not being able to POST notifications to an SSL endpoint since it hasn't been compiled with full SSL support
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 386 2012-04-20 08:12:50 <wumpus> echelon: then somehow it didn't get your -upnp=0
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 388 2012-04-20 08:13:47 <wumpus> davout: pass USE_SSL (though this has been deprecated recently, SSL is now required)
 389 2012-04-20 08:14:07 <wumpus> in compilation, not in usage
 390 2012-04-20 08:14:30 <t7> for rpc?
 391 2012-04-20 08:14:37 <t7> oh
 392 2012-04-20 08:15:07 <wumpus> t7: you still need to pass -rpcssl to activate it
 393 2012-04-20 08:15:22 <echelon> wumpus: could listen=1 have something to do with it?
 394 2012-04-20 08:15:29 <davout> wumpus: thanks, found it by googling around
 395 2012-04-20 08:15:34 <wumpus> no, those options are orthagonal
 396 2012-04-20 08:16:12 <davout> rpcssl is not what i want though, i want the daemon to POST notifications when txes and blocks come in
 397 2012-04-20 08:16:16 <wumpus> but the command line parser is really evil (see #1044) make sure that the syntax is 100% correct
 398 2012-04-20 08:16:38 <wumpus> I don't think it can do that
 399 2012-04-20 08:16:47 <davout> i patched it
 400 2012-04-20 08:17:05 <davout> but the odd thing is that i rebased against upstream really recently
 401 2012-04-20 08:17:41 <davout> so i don't really get why it wouldn't be built with ssl by default as you mentioned it's not necessary anymore to pass USE_SSL
 402 2012-04-20 08:18:39 <wumpus> davout: the message about not compiled with SSL support doesn't even exist anymore
 403 2012-04-20 08:18:55 <davout> wut
 404 2012-04-20 08:20:01 <davout> oh i see
 405 2012-04-20 08:20:12 <davout> the message comes from the patch
 406 2012-04-20 08:20:50 <davout> still odd though, i'll see if it works with the compile option
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 431 2012-04-20 09:38:10 <sipa> echelon: is that not possible?
 432 2012-04-20 09:38:30 <sipa> are you behind a NAT?
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 434 2012-04-20 09:39:03 <sipa> Did you maybe run with upnp on before?
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 469 2012-04-20 10:53:40 <drizztbsd> hi
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 473 2012-04-20 11:01:11 <occulta> hi, can someone tell me if the 'getinfo' and 'getbalance' switches will show the balance of any unconfirmed transactions ?
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 475 2012-04-20 11:04:49 <sipa> min 1 confirmations
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 479 2012-04-20 11:05:07 <occulta> ahhh, how comes on the GUI it will show the transactions?
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 481 2012-04-20 11:05:12 <occulta> as soon as its sent
 482 2012-04-20 11:05:38 <sipa> sent transactions are deducted immediately
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 491 2012-04-20 11:23:03 <occulta> sipa on my client it says 2 confirms
 492 2012-04-20 11:23:13 <occulta> but on my bitcoind wallet there is no balance change
 493 2012-04-20 11:23:56 <occulta> would this also happen it the blockchain wasnt complete currently ?
 494 2012-04-20 11:24:00 <Habbie> bitcoind might require 10
 495 2012-04-20 11:24:06 <Habbie> or some other number
 496 2012-04-20 11:24:14 <drizztbsd> luke-jr: I updated my pull request using the .h include files :)
 497 2012-04-20 11:24:22 <Habbie> i might be talking out of my ass, please check :)
 498 2012-04-20 11:24:30 <occulta> "blocks" : 171130
 499 2012-04-20 11:24:40 <occulta> i think thats probably why :P
 500 2012-04-20 11:24:46 <occulta> if it requires at least 1, it wont have that block yet
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 519 2012-04-20 12:54:30 <setkeh> hey guys im trying to get bitcoiner (android app) to connect to my bitcoind im starting bitcoind like so "bitcoind -rpcconnect=192.168.1.8 -rpcport=8332 -rpcuser=user -rpcpassword=password -rpcallowip=* -printtoconsole -gen=0 -listen" but the app still cannot connect any idea's ??
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 521 2012-04-20 12:58:16 <sipa> why rpcconnect?
 522 2012-04-20 12:58:47 <sipa> that's for when you want to run bitcoind in rpc client mode
 523 2012-04-20 12:59:04 <setkeh> ahh it was somthing i cont told to try :D
 524 2012-04-20 12:59:14 <setkeh> got*
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 526 2012-04-20 13:00:21 <setkeh> although removing rpcconnect yealds no result
 527 2012-04-20 13:01:23 <sipa> what happens?
 528 2012-04-20 13:01:40 <sipa> and how do you try to connect to it?
 529 2012-04-20 13:02:03 <setkeh> the output from bitcoind seems normal ie no error but my phone says server not reachable
 530 2012-04-20 13:02:11 <setkeh> bitcoiner android app
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 532 2012-04-20 13:04:25 <sipa> via wifi?
 533 2012-04-20 13:04:46 <setkeh> yeah for now untill i get it working :D
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 536 2012-04-20 13:04:55 <sipa> firewall?
 537 2012-04-20 13:05:00 <setkeh> nope
 538 2012-04-20 13:05:14 <sipa> maybe firewall on the router?
 539 2012-04-20 13:05:33 <setkeh> ill throw a port forward in and see :D
 540 2012-04-20 13:06:05 <sipa> port forwards don't usually work inside the LAN
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 542 2012-04-20 13:06:35 <setkeh> well thats the only FW on the router it blocks all traffic exept open ports
 543 2012-04-20 13:07:50 <sipa> ok
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 545 2012-04-20 13:10:15 <setkeh> i can screen shot my botcoind if you like ??
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 558 2012-04-20 13:47:30 <imsaguy2> ok, I think I just encountered a bug
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 560 2012-04-20 13:49:07 <imsaguy> my client included a fee without ever prompting
 561 2012-04-20 13:49:11 <imsaguy> and it was a weird one
 562 2012-04-20 13:49:53 <imsaguy> .00001xxx
 563 2012-04-20 13:50:06 <gmaxwell> imsaguy: using bitcoin-qt ?
 564 2012-04-20 13:50:40 <gmaxwell> It will throw out change if including change would have required a fee. I'm not sure how that interacts with the prompting in the gui.
 565 2012-04-20 13:51:03 <imsaguy> yes, qt
 566 2012-04-20 13:51:47 <gmaxwell> E.g. if you're paying someone 1 BTC and you have a 1.000001 BTC input you're going to use, then it could create a txn that has outputs of 1 and 0.000001  but then that would need a 0.0005 fee.
 567 2012-04-20 13:52:08 <imsaguy> obviously I'm not terribly concerned other than the UI experience could be improved
 568 2012-04-20 13:52:09 <gmaxwell> Since it makes no sense to spend 0.0005 BTC to save 0.000001, it simply makes the 0.000001 into fee and then you only have one output.
 569 2012-04-20 13:52:22 <gmaxwell> imsaguy: did this transaction only have one output?
 570 2012-04-20 13:52:26 <imsaguy> because now it shows me sending 1.00001xxx without me having typed this in
 571 2012-04-20 13:52:30 <imsaguy> a bunch of inputs
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 573 2012-04-20 13:52:57 <gmaxwell> Right, but number of outputs?
 574 2012-04-20 13:53:18 <imsaguy> just 1
 575 2012-04-20 13:53:33 <imsaguy> a throw away is still a fee
 576 2012-04-20 13:53:44 <gmaxwell> Right okay, so thats what it was doing.
 577 2012-04-20 13:53:47 <Eliel_> funny, I was just looking at blockchain.info and the transactions in a random block and thinking about this very thing :D
 578 2012-04-20 13:53:59 <imsaguy> because otherwise I would have just sent the full amount to my output
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 581 2012-04-20 13:54:39 <sipa> it's a fee, but it is less than the fee that would be required if it sent the transaction including a change that was usable
 582 2012-04-20 13:54:39 <gmaxwell> imsaguy: Do you think some option to 'allow rounding up' would be useful?
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 584 2012-04-20 13:54:59 <imsaguy> sipa, Im not disputing it.
 585 2012-04-20 13:55:01 <imsaguy> its a UI thing
 586 2012-04-20 13:55:05 <sipa> but the UI could certainly be improved, i agree
 587 2012-04-20 13:55:06 <imsaguy> let the user think they are in control
 588 2012-04-20 13:55:31 <imsaguy> don't just do something that isnt necesarily intuitive
 589 2012-04-20 13:55:40 <gmaxwell> imsaguy: what would you do in this case?
 590 2012-04-20 13:56:04 <imsaguy> well, a prompt saying a fee of (throwaway amount) will be charged would be perfect
 591 2012-04-20 13:56:23 <imsaguy> there are still btc in the wallet, albeit not many
 592 2012-04-20 13:56:54 <Eliel> ideally, pick another input that doesn't require throwing coins out. If that's not possible, ask user whether to include that in the payment or set it out as a fee.
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 594 2012-04-20 13:57:30 <imsaguy> if the throw away had been sent with the single output, would I have gotten the fee message?
 595 2012-04-20 13:58:18 <gmaxwell> It's not like retailers notify you that you're trowing away 0.9 cents when your tax has a 0.1 cent fractional part... makes whatever notice we'd do confusing too.
 596 2012-04-20 13:58:52 <imsaguy> I believe here the tax rounds down to the nearest cent
 597 2012-04-20 13:58:58 <imsaguy> :-/
 598 2012-04-20 13:59:00 <imsaguy> but I do see your point
 599 2012-04-20 13:59:52 <luke-jr> [09:49:09] <gmaxwell> It will throw out change if including change would have required a fee. I'm not sure how that interacts with the prompting in the gui.
 600 2012-04-20 14:00:00 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: ^ not since like 0.3.21
 601 2012-04-20 14:00:18 <imsaguy> luke-jr, it just did :)
 602 2012-04-20 14:00:40 <imsaguy> qt .6.0.6-beta
 603 2012-04-20 14:00:55 <luke-jr> imsaguy: how much is in the wallet now?
 604 2012-04-20 14:01:00 <imsaguy> .00005
 605 2012-04-20 14:01:04 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: I'm pretty sure it still does when the change is lower than the fee that would have been required.
 606 2012-04-20 14:01:19 <imsaguy> which goes back to my original question
 607 2012-04-20 14:01:26 <imsaguy> if the throw away had been sent with the single output, would I have gotten the fee message?
 608 2012-04-20 14:01:28 <luke-jr> imsaguy: OK, then maybe it was unavoidable
 609 2012-04-20 14:01:42 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: no, it adds more inputs to make the change bigger if possible :p
 610 2012-04-20 14:01:48 <gmaxwell> imsaguy: I didn't anwer that because it didn't make sense.
 611 2012-04-20 14:01:54 <imsaguy> well
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 613 2012-04-20 14:02:24 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: this was the first thing I fixed in bitcoin codebase ;)
 614 2012-04-20 14:02:27 <imsaguy> if I tried to send say 10.05 and it left a throw away of .00001xxx
 615 2012-04-20 14:02:39 <imsaguy> then why not just let me send 10.05001000
 616 2012-04-20 14:03:16 <imsaguy> if I had know a bit would have been thrown away, I would have included the throw away amount, effectively removing the change
 617 2012-04-20 14:03:38 <luke-jr> imsaguy: I had a fix for that, too, but it was rejected
 618 2012-04-20 14:03:46 <imsaguy> unless of course, it needed a fee
 619 2012-04-20 14:03:54 <gmaxwell> imsaguy: sure, of course.  Thats always why I asked if a round up option would be useful.
 620 2012-04-20 14:04:44 <imsaguy> What would you call it that wouldn't confuse the average user?
 621 2012-04-20 14:06:15 <Eliel> so, I guess this only happens if there's no other inputs to add to make the change bigger :)
 622 2012-04-20 14:06:34 <imsaguy> well, there's still a single input left
 623 2012-04-20 14:06:49 <gmaxwell> "Let destination keep up to [ ] BTC change"
 624 2012-04-20 14:10:44 <imsaguy> "Round up transactions up to [ ] BTC to avoid fees"
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 628 2012-04-20 14:11:15 <luke-jr> why encourage users to avoid fees?
 629 2012-04-20 14:11:27 <imsaguy> why do something without telling the user?
 630 2012-04-20 14:11:38 <luke-jr> imsaguy: well, I still think it should prompt the user
 631 2012-04-20 14:11:51 <luke-jr> just only use the standard fee prompt
 632 2012-04-20 14:12:02 <luke-jr> let them go back and modify their txn by hand if they want
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 634 2012-04-20 14:12:43 <imsaguy> thats what I was thinking originally
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 636 2012-04-20 14:16:12 <imsaguy> ;;ticker
 637 2012-04-20 14:16:13 <gribble> Best bid: 5.14873, Best ask: 5.16345, Bid-ask spread: 0.01472, Last trade: 5.16389, 24 hour volume: 42002, 24 hour low: 5.1, 24 hour high: 5.18
 638 2012-04-20 14:16:40 <imsaguy> ;;calc [ticker --last] * .00002
 639 2012-04-20 14:16:41 <gribble> 0.0001032778
 640 2012-04-20 14:17:03 <imsaguy> the amount we're talking really is insignificant
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 650 2012-04-20 14:20:50 <luke-jr> imsaguy: Date:   Tue Jan 25 23:17:59 2011 -0500
 651 2012-04-20 14:23:05 <imsaguy> ?
 652 2012-04-20 14:25:46 <luke-jr> imsaguy: when I wrote the fix
 653 2012-04-20 14:25:55 <luke-jr> more importantly, it looks like it got merged in another form
 654 2012-04-20 14:27:16 <luke-jr> should be fixed since 0.4.0
 655 2012-04-20 14:27:58 <imsaguy> :-/
 656 2012-04-20 14:28:27 <imsaguy> I wasn't around in Jan 2011, so I didn't even know this existed, so clearly its still around in some form.
 657 2012-04-20 14:34:10 <luke-jr> imsaguy: what version do you run?
 658 2012-04-20 14:34:24 <imsaguy2> [2012/04/20 08:59:10] <imsaguy> qt .6.0.6-beta
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 660 2012-04-20 14:34:53 <luke-jr> odd
 661 2012-04-20 14:35:49 <sipa> luke-jr: if the input selection chooses coins whose total value is slightly more than the requested payment, it is turned into fee instead of change
 662 2012-04-20 14:36:02 <sipa> that is, if there is not enough to create a spendable output
 663 2012-04-20 14:36:46 <luke-jr> sipa: yes, but it should still prompt the user
 664 2012-04-20 14:37:33 <sipa> i agree
 665 2012-04-20 14:37:57 <luke-jr> afaict, you merged code that fixed that in 0.4.0 window
 666 2012-04-20 14:38:09 <graingert> yesterday a professor at my university suggested doing a research project on getting JANET-wide multicast working with bitcoin transaction distribution
 667 2012-04-20 14:38:47 <Diablo-D3> graingert: what, multicast broadcast traffic?
 668 2012-04-20 14:39:04 <Diablo-D3> could work fine
 669 2012-04-20 14:39:16 <Diablo-D3> you'd just need bitcoin nodes that understand it and repeat it to non-multicast nodes
 670 2012-04-20 14:39:18 <graingert> how much scope for a) possibility b) whether it will be useful (and used) c) science
 671 2012-04-20 14:39:44 <graingert> Diablo-D3: does bitcoin-qt even support v6
 672 2012-04-20 14:39:53 <sipa> graingert: 0.7 will
 673 2012-04-20 14:40:05 <Diablo-D3> yeah what sipa said
 674 2012-04-20 14:40:07 <graingert> I was thinking of simply running a fake client on a port
 675 2012-04-20 14:40:25 <Diablo-D3> graingert: and just repeats it to a localhost bitcoind?
 676 2012-04-20 14:40:36 <graingert> ie you add 127.0.0.1:[port]
 677 2012-04-20 14:40:42 <graingert> and it just does multicast
 678 2012-04-20 14:40:47 <Diablo-D3> it could work
 679 2012-04-20 14:40:51 <Diablo-D3> I mean, the big problem is
 680 2012-04-20 14:40:55 <Diablo-D3> bitcoin doesnt use udp
 681 2012-04-20 14:41:01 <Diablo-D3> and isnt meant for stateless connections
 682 2012-04-20 14:41:08 <Diablo-D3> but building a second deamon that just translates shit is fine
 683 2012-04-20 14:41:20 <Diablo-D3> it just repeats everything it hears both directions
 684 2012-04-20 14:41:35 <graingert> it would be multi-sender mutli-reciever v6 multicast
 685 2012-04-20 14:41:51 <sipa> would be even nicer for blocks
 686 2012-04-20 14:41:59 <sipa> but maybe it's hard to do for larger messages?
 687 2012-04-20 14:41:59 <graingert> good point
 688 2012-04-20 14:42:05 <graingert> or
 689 2012-04-20 14:42:12 <graingert> I could just do a multicast backend for
 690 2012-04-20 14:42:22 <graingert> http://telehash.org/
 691 2012-04-20 14:42:36 <sipa> when you receive a multicast message, do you know its sender?
 692 2012-04-20 14:42:42 <graingert> yes
 693 2012-04-20 14:43:06 <sipa> so you could use multicast for the "inv" message, and then contact the author for the data
 694 2012-04-20 14:43:10 <sipa> instant DDoS!
 695 2012-04-20 14:43:18 <sipa> s/author/sender/
 696 2012-04-20 14:44:02 <graingert> I don't know what security there is for spoofing sender address
 697 2012-04-20 14:44:06 <graingert> on multicast
 698 2012-04-20 14:44:20 <Joric> udp hole pinching is not that great
 699 2012-04-20 14:44:25 <Joric> there's a lot of ppl with iptables (port restricted NAT) nowadays
 700 2012-04-20 14:44:53 <graingert> that's not an issue
 701 2012-04-20 14:44:58 <graingert> I'm talking about JANET
 702 2012-04-20 14:44:59 <Joric> it's not punchthroughable
 703 2012-04-20 14:45:02 <graingert> v6
 704 2012-04-20 14:45:27 <graingert> JANET is the closest to "internet wide" multicast
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 706 2012-04-20 14:45:29 <graingert> in the uk
 707 2012-04-20 14:46:06 <graingert> although the only real test was IPTV from oxford to soton
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 709 2012-04-20 14:47:09 <graingert> it's literally the same state the early internet was in
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 711 2012-04-20 14:50:09 <graingert> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Internet#cite_ref-NetValley_9-0
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 713 2012-04-20 14:51:05 <graingert> anyway it looks like internet wide MC might just be mad enough to work
 714 2012-04-20 14:51:11 <luke-jr> imo, should be merged for 0.6.1: 936, 1032, 1122, 1090, 829, 917, 1002, 1124, 1119, 1121; maybe 1128
 715 2012-04-20 14:53:17 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: luke-jr opened pull request 1128 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1128>
 716 2012-04-20 14:55:50 <sipa> luke-jr: 936 seems like a new feature (but is fine for 0.7 to me), 1090 seems not ready (but i don't care), 829 is included in the IPv6 pullreq (and will be merged in 0.7 i hope)
 717 2012-04-20 14:56:05 <sipa> the others i agree with or don't know enough about
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 720 2012-04-20 14:59:27 <occulta> can someone guide me on using testnet, instead of main network because i want to use small numbers and it keeps charging me!
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 722 2012-04-20 14:59:39 <occulta> is it just a case of starting bitcoind with -testnet ?
 723 2012-04-20 14:59:51 <sipa> yes
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 726 2012-04-20 15:00:11 <occulta> do i need to backup the main wallet?
 727 2012-04-20 15:00:15 <sipa> no
 728 2012-04-20 15:00:15 <occulta> remove / move anything ?
 729 2012-04-20 15:00:22 <sipa> it uses a different data directory
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 731 2012-04-20 15:00:24 <occulta> how does it work then
 732 2012-04-20 15:00:25 <occulta> ahh
 733 2012-04-20 15:00:31 <occulta> different wallet altogether>/
 734 2012-04-20 15:00:36 <sipa> (subdirectory testnet/ of the normal one)
 735 2012-04-20 15:00:43 <occulta> right,
 736 2012-04-20 15:00:52 <sipa> the config file is shared though
 737 2012-04-20 15:00:53 <occulta> whats the safe way to stop the daemon ?
 738 2012-04-20 15:00:59 <sipa> ./bitcoind stop
 739 2012-04-20 15:01:31 <occulta> yea good, as i need to test the JSON RPC
 740 2012-04-20 15:01:40 <occulta> what about confirms
 741 2012-04-20 15:01:43 <occulta> how does that work on testnet
 742 2012-04-20 15:01:47 <sipa> same way
 743 2012-04-20 15:02:03 <sipa> only the difficulty policy is a bit different
 744 2012-04-20 15:02:20 <occulta> o right
 745 2012-04-20 15:02:27 <occulta> people have to mine on it for it to work ?
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 747 2012-04-20 15:02:31 <sipa> of course
 748 2012-04-20 15:03:09 <occulta> i got this error sipa
 749 2012-04-20 15:03:09 <occulta> http://pastebin.com/TbdqkHar
 750 2012-04-20 15:03:35 <sipa> the old node is probably still running
 751 2012-04-20 15:03:45 <occulta> o
 752 2012-04-20 15:03:53 <occulta> how can i start the daemon silently?
 753 2012-04-20 15:03:57 <occulta> i use -daemon -testnet
 754 2012-04-20 15:04:04 <occulta> but it still shows in console
 755 2012-04-20 15:04:12 <occulta> i want it to return to CL
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 757 2012-04-20 15:04:44 <sipa> if it can start up in the background, it will
 758 2012-04-20 15:04:57 <sipa> but if it can't, it will show an error and exit
 759 2012-04-20 15:05:02 <occulta> well it does, but doesnt return to input
 760 2012-04-20 15:05:10 <occulta> i have to pretty cntl + c to get back
 761 2012-04-20 15:05:17 <sipa> you don'
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 763 2012-04-20 15:05:29 <occulta> ok, maybe i didnt wait long enough
 764 2012-04-20 15:05:31 <occulta> lets go again
 765 2012-04-20 15:05:53 <occulta> now a rreally stupid question
 766 2012-04-20 15:06:01 <occulta> how to use the bitcoin-qt  to send to testnet ?
 767 2012-04-20 15:06:20 <sipa> bitcoin-qt -testnet
 768 2012-04-20 15:06:33 <occulta> lmao
 769 2012-04-20 15:07:11 <occulta> bitcoin server starting     >  but just sits cursor flashing line below, doesnt return to input
 770 2012-04-20 15:07:21 <Joric> http://experimentiv.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/lol.jpg
 771 2012-04-20 15:07:42 <sipa> occulta: type enter
 772 2012-04-20 15:07:53 <occulta> ty.
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 774 2012-04-20 15:08:19 <sipa> occulta: what happens: it returns immediately to the shell, but the output is still done to the terminal
 775 2012-04-20 15:08:27 <occulta> right
 776 2012-04-20 15:08:34 <sipa> so even though you are already back at your shell, bitcoin puts something on the screen
 777 2012-04-20 15:08:35 <occulta> its got to download the whole chain?
 778 2012-04-20 15:08:39 <sipa> of course
 779 2012-04-20 15:08:44 <occulta> cani download the testnet chain anywhere to save some bandwidth?
 780 2012-04-20 15:08:45 <sipa> but the testnet chain is a lot smaller
 781 2012-04-20 15:08:55 <sipa> you won't save much
 782 2012-04-20 15:09:01 <occulta> o right
 783 2012-04-20 15:09:03 <sipa> it's really just downloading
 784 2012-04-20 15:09:04 <occulta> how many blocks?
 785 2012-04-20 15:09:27 <sipa> unsure
 786 2012-04-20 15:10:46 <occulta> ok, just dont want it to be a GB
 787 2012-04-20 15:10:50 <occulta> ill google
 788 2012-04-20 15:11:32 <sipa> oh, no no no
 789 2012-04-20 15:11:35 <sipa> 50 MB or so
 790 2012-04-20 15:11:44 <sipa> it's hardly used
 791 2012-04-20 15:11:55 <sipa> (and kinda broken right now)
 792 2012-04-20 15:11:56 <imsaguy2> at least 55k blocks
 793 2012-04-20 15:12:49 <imsaguy2> the android testnet wallets are using bitcoinj which doesn't have the new code yet, so they're stuck at 4 weeks ago
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 800 2012-04-20 15:38:22 <occulta> ah
 801 2012-04-20 15:38:27 <occulta> imsaguy2: lol, how do i get coins?
 802 2012-04-20 15:38:50 <gmaxwell> imsaguy2: What do you mean "doesn't have the new code yet" ?
 803 2012-04-20 15:38:56 <imsaguy> bitcoin testnet faucet
 804 2012-04-20 15:39:01 <gmaxwell> Oh testnet. durr.
 805 2012-04-20 15:39:02 <gmaxwell> okay.
 806 2012-04-20 15:39:17 <imsaguy> its been checked in, but not everyone uses latest source
 807 2012-04-20 15:39:43 <occulta> ah
 808 2012-04-20 15:39:46 <occulta> faucet only ?
 809 2012-04-20 15:39:47 <luke-jr> I have TN coins
 810 2012-04-20 15:39:53 <occulta> 50 is fine, just curious
 811 2012-04-20 15:39:56 <imsaguy> occulta: or you mine on it
 812 2012-04-20 15:39:57 <luke-jr> addr?
 813 2012-04-20 15:39:59 <imsaguy> or you ask someone
 814 2012-04-20 15:40:11 <imsaguy> mnwVcGwrUuFbWKBZKUk5zjQycoLk1aQ5tM
 815 2012-04-20 15:40:17 <occulta> miskWDA9YnbUWJmn9kCeLr5nsQZn7FDFv1
 816 2012-04-20 15:40:22 <imsaguy> 54946 is the latest block
 817 2012-04-20 15:40:39 <occulta> yea i got it now imsaguy2, although -qt is still syncing,
 818 2012-04-20 15:40:44 <occulta> i had this bug before on mainnet
 819 2012-04-20 15:40:45 <luke-jr> both of you want some?
 820 2012-04-20 15:40:49 <occulta> normally restarting clears it
 821 2012-04-20 15:40:52 <imsaguy> just 25
 822 2012-04-20 15:40:57 <imsaguy> I'll send them back
 823 2012-04-20 15:41:05 <occulta> luke-jr: i have 0, i am trying to test a new gateway
 824 2012-04-20 15:41:14 <occulta> i was paying TX fees lol
 825 2012-04-20 15:41:17 <imsaguy> my normal supply is lost in that android wallet
 826 2012-04-20 15:41:31 * luke-jr wonders why testnet takes longer to start than mainnet
 827 2012-04-20 15:41:47 <imsaguy> longer bootstrap?
 828 2012-04-20 15:42:21 <gmaxwell> define start?
 829 2012-04-20 15:42:31 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: loading block index
 830 2012-04-20 15:42:33 <occulta> thanks luke-jr
 831 2012-04-20 15:42:46 <luke-jr> moekZy8GH5WyEf1e957MiGwNaigRke7HC2 when you're done with them
 832 2012-04-20 15:42:55 <luke-jr> or send them to someone else who needs them
 833 2012-04-20 15:42:58 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: stuffed with orphans from the big forks
 834 2012-04-20 15:43:01 <luke-jr> I have 5494 TNBTC :p
 835 2012-04-20 15:43:07 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: ah
 836 2012-04-20 15:43:45 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: imo, should be merged for 0.6.1: 936, 1032, 1122, 1090, 917, 1002, 1124, 1119, 1121; maybe 1128
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 838 2012-04-20 15:44:49 <occulta> luke-jr: my QT client is still getting blocks, but it has them all?
 839 2012-04-20 15:44:56 <occulta> how long we talking for confirms on TN?
 840 2012-04-20 15:45:04 <luke-jr> occulta: until soemone mines it
 841 2012-04-20 15:45:16 <occulta> mothertrucker
 842 2012-04-20 15:45:30 <imsaguy2> heh
 843 2012-04-20 15:45:40 <imsaguy2> how many blocks do you have occulta?
 844 2012-04-20 15:45:54 <occulta> 54946
 845 2012-04-20 15:45:58 <imsaguy2> oh, ok
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 847 2012-04-20 15:46:02 <occulta> "blocks" : 54946,
 848 2012-04-20 15:46:05 <occulta> both ends
 849 2012-04-20 15:46:07 <imsaguy2> I have someone connected to me with only 12913
 850 2012-04-20 15:46:14 <imsaguy2> so I didn't know if htat was you
 851 2012-04-20 15:46:18 <occulta> ah
 852 2012-04-20 15:46:35 <luke-jr> occulta: as long as the newest block is over 90 minutes old, it will think it's updating
 853 2012-04-20 15:46:47 <imsaguy2> last block is 8 hours, lol
 854 2012-04-20 15:46:51 <occulta> ok, thanks for the tip
 855 2012-04-20 15:46:52 <occulta> yes
 856 2012-04-20 15:46:53 <imsaguy2> I can throw a gpu on it if you want
 857 2012-04-20 15:46:56 <occulta> i cant wait 8hours tot est..
 858 2012-04-20 15:46:59 <occulta> lol
 859 2012-04-20 15:47:05 <occulta> how easy to mine, i have a 6850 ?
 860 2012-04-20 15:47:09 <occulta> on this 140 difficulty i mean
 861 2012-04-20 15:47:26 <imsaguy2> well, I don't know if it made it in, but there was code to lower diff if there hadn't been a block in a certain period of time
 862 2012-04-20 15:47:54 <occulta> hmm
 863 2012-04-20 15:47:58 <occulta> my app needs 2 confirms
 864 2012-04-20 15:48:02 <imsaguy2> ;;bc,gend 300000 140
 865 2012-04-20 15:48:02 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 300000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 140, is 2155.34652982 BTC per day and 89.8061054093 BTC per hour.
 866 2012-04-20 15:48:12 <imsaguy2> ;;bc,calcd 300000 140
 867 2012-04-20 15:48:13 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 300000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 140, is 33 minutes and 24 seconds
 868 2012-04-20 15:48:14 <occulta> have to wait over a day in between testing? lol
 869 2012-04-20 15:48:22 <imsaguy2> no
 870 2012-04-20 15:48:28 <imsaguy2> 33 minutes, 24 seconds
 871 2012-04-20 15:48:29 <imsaguy2> ish
 872 2012-04-20 15:48:39 <occulta> and after that?
 873 2012-04-20 15:48:53 <imsaguy2> on average, your gpu will find a block ever 33 minutes, 24 seconds
 874 2012-04-20 15:48:54 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calcd 300000 1
 875 2012-04-20 15:48:55 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 300000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 1, is 14 seconds
 876 2012-04-20 15:48:57 <luke-jr> ;;bc,calcd 300000 0.25
 877 2012-04-20 15:48:57 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 300000 Khps, given the supplied difficulty of 0.25, is 3 seconds
 878 2012-04-20 15:49:05 <luke-jr> ^ every 10 minutes, you can mine at diff 0.25
 879 2012-04-20 15:49:08 <occulta> hmm
 880 2012-04-20 15:49:11 <imsaguy2> ok, that's what it is
 881 2012-04-20 15:49:12 <luke-jr> so figure 10 mins per confirm :P
 882 2012-04-20 15:49:17 <luke-jr> 20 mins, if you use a CPU miner
 883 2012-04-20 15:49:28 <imsaguy2> 20 mins if you use a gpu ;)
 884 2012-04-20 15:49:34 <occulta> damn, gna take me a day to figure out how to mine blocks for my own transactions lol
 885 2012-04-20 15:49:35 <imsaguy2> 20 mins if you use asic
 886 2012-04-20 15:49:47 <imsaguy2> I'll do mine occulta
 887 2012-04-20 15:50:01 <occulta> i dont know when ill be testing imsaguy2 but thanks for the offer.
 888 2012-04-20 15:50:12 <occulta> guess ill need to do it on my own, any 3 step guides? :P
 889 2012-04-20 15:50:35 <imsaguy2> you need to server=1, set the username/password in your config
 890 2012-04-20 15:50:37 <luke-jr> occulta: get cgminer from git, and --enable-cpumining
 891 2012-04-20 15:50:49 <occulta> what about GPU, i would prefer that
 892 2012-04-20 15:50:52 <occulta> wanna save my i7
 893 2012-04-20 15:51:07 <occulta> CPU easier to config thats why you said right ?
 894 2012-04-20 15:51:41 <luke-jr> then just use your GPU miner
 895 2012-04-20 15:51:52 <luke-jr> I said CPU because I'd want to keep my GPU doing Bitcoin
 896 2012-04-20 15:51:56 <occulta> i did before, gna take some readin again
 897 2012-04-20 15:51:59 <luke-jr> and it's easy enough for CPU
 898 2012-04-20 15:52:07 <occulta> i dont mine period
 899 2012-04-20 15:52:24 <imsaguy2> occulta: thank you for that.
 900 2012-04-20 15:52:28 <occulta> although, i have 4.5GHs on bonds
 901 2012-04-20 15:52:41 <occulta> and might get one of those BFL 26GHs
 902 2012-04-20 15:52:45 <occulta> :)
 903 2012-04-20 15:54:52 <occulta> imsaguy2: could you link me to what script you use to GPU mine ?
 904 2012-04-20 15:56:46 <imsaguy2> script?
 905 2012-04-20 15:57:40 <occulta> yea isnt it like some python script ?
 906 2012-04-20 15:58:22 <luke-jr> …
 907 2012-04-20 15:58:31 <occulta> i dont know
 908 2012-04-20 15:58:38 <occulta> how do i GPU mine? before i had some scripts etc
 909 2012-04-20 15:58:49 <luke-jr> cgminer :P
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 912 2012-04-20 16:00:15 <occulta> i dont need any of that with CPU?
 913 2012-04-20 16:02:14 <luke-jr> …
 914 2012-04-20 16:02:20 <luke-jr> cgminer is for either CPU or GPU
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 916 2012-04-20 16:03:22 <occulta> doesnt the official client mine on its own ?
 917 2012-04-20 16:05:30 <occulta> i have ubuntu binary for it, but there is no testnet switch or anything?, sorry im so lost :P
 918 2012-04-20 16:07:08 <gmaxwell> occulta: what do you mean that there is not testnet switch?
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 920 2012-04-20 16:07:43 <occulta> gmaxwell: i am trying to mine on testnet to confirm my transactions, tbh i have no idea what i am doing after my goal lol
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 922 2012-04-20 16:10:06 <occulta> i need this cgminer at all? i thought i could mine with the official client ?
 923 2012-04-20 16:10:24 <luke-jr> -gen=1
 924 2012-04-20 16:10:32 <Diablo-D3> occulta: you cant gpu mine with the official client
 925 2012-04-20 16:10:32 <luke-jr> but it's SLOW
 926 2012-04-20 16:10:38 <occulta> cpu ?
 927 2012-04-20 16:10:43 <occulta> ah
 928 2012-04-20 16:10:48 <occulta> yea i just used -gen
 929 2012-04-20 16:10:49 <occulta> to test
 930 2012-04-20 16:10:49 <Diablo-D3> there are faster cpu miners than the official client as well
 931 2012-04-20 16:11:22 <occulta> would i use it like this, for testing purposes   bitcoind -testnet -gen
 932 2012-04-20 16:11:38 <[Tycho]> Diablo-D3: then you have to buy lots of FPGA miners.
 933 2012-04-20 16:11:39 <occulta> i dont have bitcoind install apparently :P
 934 2012-04-20 16:15:55 <occulta> ok so cgminer, what switch for simple CPU mining on testnet?
 935 2012-04-20 16:17:09 <occulta> do i need to start bitcoind, then run  with   --enable-cpu ? how will it know to mine on testnet though?
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 937 2012-04-20 16:18:31 <luke-jr> occulta: rtfm? :<
 938 2012-04-20 16:18:55 <occulta> well, it was never my plan to mine ym own blocks on TN, i have other things to do
 939 2012-04-20 16:18:59 <occulta> i can RTFM
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 941 2012-04-20 16:19:55 <occulta> spend some hours finding out how to mine on TN , kinda pointless imho
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 945 2012-04-20 16:20:14 <imsaguy2> "difficulty" : 0.06249911,
 946 2012-04-20 16:20:36 <occulta> "difficulty" : 10.27353498
 947 2012-04-20 16:21:11 <imsaguy2> sucks to be you :p
 948 2012-04-20 16:21:16 <occulta> fu
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 950 2012-04-20 16:21:32 <imsaguy2> nou
 951 2012-04-20 16:21:33 <occulta> luke-jr: fancy pasting me to this huge testnet manual ?
 952 2012-04-20 16:21:44 <imsaguy2> you start the daemon
 953 2012-04-20 16:22:00 <imsaguy2> then you do setgenerate true -1
 954 2012-04-20 16:22:15 <imsaguy2> a little 'bitcoind help' goes a long way
 955 2012-04-20 16:22:20 <occulta> i did that
 956 2012-04-20 16:22:28 <occulta> setgenerate <generate> [genproclimit]
 957 2012-04-20 16:22:35 <occulta> didjnt know what it meant though
 958 2012-04-20 16:22:40 <imsaguy2> ...
 959 2012-04-20 16:22:42 <imsaguy2> it explains it
 960 2012-04-20 16:22:48 <occulta> not to me
 961 2012-04-20 16:22:49 <occulta> lol
 962 2012-04-20 16:23:12 <imsaguy2> error: {"code":-1,"message":"setgenerate <generate> [genproclimit]\n<generat
 963 2012-04-20 16:23:12 <imsaguy2> e> is true or false to turn generation on or off.\nGeneration is limited to
 964 2012-04-20 16:23:12 <imsaguy2> [genproclimit] processors, -1 is unlimited."}
 965 2012-04-20 16:23:19 <occulta> and tbh, im still not sure what it doesn?
 966 2012-04-20 16:23:57 <occulta> well, i see my 8 cores @ 100% lol
 967 2012-04-20 16:24:00 <imsaguy2> good
 968 2012-04-20 16:24:02 <imsaguy2> you're mining
 969 2012-04-20 16:24:06 <occulta> ty.
 970 2012-04-20 16:24:08 <imsaguy2> now sit back and let it work
 971 2012-04-20 16:24:15 <imsaguy2> when you're done, bitcoind stop
 972 2012-04-20 16:24:18 <occulta> what about on my server?
 973 2012-04-20 16:24:23 <occulta> might do it on there
 974 2012-04-20 16:24:29 <imsaguy2> that works
 975 2012-04-20 16:24:45 <occulta> whats with the difficulty change?
 976 2012-04-20 16:24:58 <imsaguy2>     "blocks" : 54947,
 977 2012-04-20 16:24:58 <imsaguy2>     "currentblocksize" : 1226,
 978 2012-04-20 16:24:58 <imsaguy2>     "currentblocktx" : 1,
 979 2012-04-20 16:24:58 <imsaguy2>     "difficulty" : 0.06249911,
 980 2012-04-20 16:24:58 <imsaguy2>     "errors" : "",
 981 2012-04-20 16:24:58 <imsaguy2>     "generate" : true,
 982 2012-04-20 16:24:59 <imsaguy2>     "genproclimit" : -1,
 983 2012-04-20 16:25:14 <imsaguy2> if you do bitcoind getmininginfo
 984 2012-04-20 16:25:18 <imsaguy2> you should see the aboce ^
 985 2012-04-20 16:25:21 <occulta> yes,
 986 2012-04-20 16:25:28 <occulta> but why did it change, from the original 10. *
 987 2012-04-20 16:25:41 <occulta> and will this actually make it easier to mine the blocks?
 988 2012-04-20 16:25:46 <imsaguy2> because longer than 10 minutes
 989 2012-04-20 16:25:55 <imsaguy2> well, diff 1 says you should get it quickly
 990 2012-04-20 16:27:12 <occulta> cant open bitcoin-qt at the same time :P
 991 2012-04-20 16:27:57 <imsaguy> no, datadir lock
 992 2012-04-20 16:28:09 <imsaguy> but you could specify a new data dir for the miner vs the qt
 993 2012-04-20 16:28:38 <occulta> i see
 994 2012-04-20 16:29:06 <imsaguy2> you make me feel better
 995 2012-04-20 16:29:11 <imsaguy2> maybe I'm not as n00b as I sometimes feel
 996 2012-04-20 16:29:16 <imsaguy2> :p
 997 2012-04-20 16:29:18 <occulta> seriouslyfu
 998 2012-04-20 16:29:21 <occulta> :)
 999 2012-04-20 16:29:34 <occulta> im sure your are n00b in many things
1000 2012-04-20 16:29:48 <occulta> you are always a newbie the first time you do something, kinda of self explainatory
1001 2012-04-20 16:30:30 <imsaguy2> some people have perpetual n00b (and I'm not saying you're one of them)
1002 2012-04-20 16:30:42 <occulta> last block received 16mins ago
1003 2012-04-20 16:30:45 <occulta> no confirms
1004 2012-04-20 16:30:55 <luke-jr> occulta: you could also mine with bitcoin-qt
1005 2012-04-20 16:31:20 <occulta> luke-jr: thats what i was asking i think originally, imsaguy2 did your coins from luke-jr get confirms with that block ?
1006 2012-04-20 16:32:59 <occulta> "hashespersec" : 3873324
1007 2012-04-20 16:33:09 <occulta> not bad for CPU?
1008 2012-04-20 16:34:42 <luke-jr> could be wore.
1009 2012-04-20 16:34:43 <luke-jr> worse*
1010 2012-04-20 16:37:52 <occulta> so whats with the diff changing? i dont get that at all, i just mined 2 blocks i think
1011 2012-04-20 16:38:56 <sipa> occulta: there's a specifial testnet rule that allows a minimum-difficulty block if it has been more than 20 minutes since the last one
1012 2012-04-20 16:39:16 <occulta> thanks.
1013 2012-04-20 16:39:27 <occulta> will the diff auto change itself, after this block is mined?
1014 2012-04-20 16:40:18 <occulta> ok it worked
1015 2012-04-20 16:40:20 <occulta> :)
1016 2012-04-20 16:40:35 <occulta> but i do need 2 confirms, shame i cant use that diff for all blocks :(
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1018 2012-04-20 16:49:29 <wumpus> sipa, luke-jr: let's ack #1122, I resolved all the binary differences
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1020 2012-04-20 16:51:38 <luke-jr> wumpus: OK
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1023 2012-04-20 17:02:53 <echelon> sipa: that's part of the problem, for some reason i can't find the upnp forwarded ports
1024 2012-04-20 17:02:59 <echelon> on my router
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1027 2012-04-20 17:15:03 <imsaguy2> there goes another block
1028 2012-04-20 17:18:26 <occulta> ah was you helping?
1029 2012-04-20 17:18:40 <occulta> so has diff reset, or is it a temp thing?
1030 2012-04-20 17:19:50 <occulta> because it says same on my server
1031 2012-04-20 17:19:56 <occulta> i thought it was a local thing
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1059 2012-04-20 18:51:17 <echelon> sipa: you were right, it was probably a stale upnp entry in my router's firewall rules
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1061 2012-04-20 18:58:46 <Glasswalker> luke-jr: What is the valid hash of the data at http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/code/earlyshare.json (as-is, no incrimented nonce, no timestamp adjustment)
1062 2012-04-20 18:59:02 <luke-jr> Glasswalker: dunno
1063 2012-04-20 18:59:11 <Glasswalker> I ask because every language I look at, the SHA256 implementation doesn't allow me to feed in plain 512bit blocks
1064 2012-04-20 18:59:23 <Glasswalker> they expect to do the padding themselves
1065 2012-04-20 18:59:29 <Glasswalker> but the getwork protocol is pre-padded
1066 2012-04-20 18:59:40 <Glasswalker> and endian-flipped
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1069 2012-04-20 19:00:32 <Glasswalker> it seems no SHA256 I can find supports generating a midstate either. They all support incremental hashing, but not outputting the raw midstate data
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1072 2012-04-20 19:08:04 <echelon> is there a way to have bitcoin client listen only on localhost?
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1074 2012-04-20 19:08:23 <echelon> or bind it to a specific ip or interface
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1079 2012-04-20 19:12:52 <Glasswalker> driving me insane that it's this difficult to test my sha core. All I want to do is verify that a given 512bit input block with a given 256bit midstate results in a given 256bit output hash. But that is proving to be amazingly difficult lol
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1128 2012-04-20 21:05:24 <forrestv> Glasswalker, p2pool has a sha256 implementation that would let you test that
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1199 2012-04-20 23:13:58 <ciscoftw> trying to use the wireshark bitcoin dissector, anybody here using 'blueCommand / bitcoin-dissector'... having a problem regarding applying the patch. 'patch: **** Only garbage was found in the patch input'
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1204 2012-04-20 23:18:09 <sipa> ciscoftw: link?
1205 2012-04-20 23:19:16 <ciscoftw> https://github.com/blueCommand/bitcoin-dissector
1206 2012-04-20 23:20:28 <sipa> looks like a normal patchfile to me
1207 2012-04-20 23:20:40 <ciscoftw> sipa: im not using the same source as this guy, i did it via svn so my version is newer than his... think that is f'ing me?
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1209 2012-04-20 23:21:04 <sipa> shouldn't be
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1211 2012-04-20 23:21:55 <ciscoftw> i also tried putting the 'packet-bitcoin.c' into the /dissectors directory then did a complete compile/install, but it did work -well software compiled and installed but the dissector wasnt there when i launched
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1214 2012-04-20 23:22:31 <ciscoftw> when i try to apply the patch via a conventional method i just get an error 'patch: **** Only garbage was found in the patch input.'
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1219 2012-04-20 23:27:05 <Joric> http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=bitcoind wow how long its been there
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1221 2012-04-20 23:27:16 <BlueMatt> a /long/ time
1222 2012-04-20 23:27:26 <BlueMatt> still doesnt have bitcoin-qt though...
1223 2012-04-20 23:27:38 <splatster> Longtime is loooooooooooong.
1224 2012-04-20 23:27:52 <splatster> Ya, isn't the version on there pretty old?
1225 2012-04-20 23:28:03 <BlueMatt> its debian so...of course
1226 2012-04-20 23:28:11 <splatster> heh
1227 2012-04-20 23:28:11 <BlueMatt> its 0.3.24
1228 2012-04-20 23:28:36 <Joric> veeery old, but veeery stable
1229 2012-04-20 23:28:53 <BlueMatt> oorrrr...
1230 2012-04-20 23:29:18 <sipa> bah, did a commit --amend while inside a rebase that failed to merge -> accidentally combined two commits while i didn't want to
1231 2012-04-20 23:29:42 <sipa> why doesn't rebase work consistently? either always ask to commit it yourself, or always ask to just add changed files to the index
1232 2012-04-20 23:30:03 <sipa> but the fact that for a failed merged it just asks to add, and for an edit it asks to amend... confusing
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1236 2012-04-20 23:33:51 <ciscoftw> bluematt = blueCommand?
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