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 32 2012-04-25 01:44:46 <gmaxwell> sipa: is your poller seeing any change in the number of responding nodes?
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 36 2012-04-25 01:45:01 <gmaxwell> http://bitcoinstatus.rowit.co.uk/servers.html is showing a drop off, though I don't see any local evidence of it.
 37 2012-04-25 01:46:01 <gmaxwell> It's interesting to see some evidence that the UPNP fixes worked: http://bitcoinstatus.rowit.co.uk/versionsStart.png
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 40 2012-04-25 01:47:35 <gmaxwell> otoh, this looks a little suspect: http://bitcoinstatus.rowit.co.uk/downloadsStart.png
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 48 2012-04-25 01:52:09 <sipa> gmaxwell: i keep no log files, but i do have some (timestamped) console output with statistics left
 49 2012-04-25 01:52:27 <sipa> there was a rather sudden increase of nodes between march 14 and march 22
 50 2012-04-25 01:52:51 <sipa> before there were less than 1500 "good" nodes, afterwards over 1600
 51 2012-04-25 01:53:06 <sipa> could be related to the specifics of the "good" rules, though
 52 2012-04-25 01:53:12 <gmaxwell> ::nods::
 53 2012-04-25 01:53:57 <gmaxwell> it would probably be useful if you could just keep track of some kind of network health stat like that.  (well not just you, but you're already doing the connections and we should have multiple observation points).
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 55 2012-04-25 01:56:21 <MC1984> the only important one is ration of super:leaf nodes?
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 57 2012-04-25 01:59:18 <gmaxwell> No... thats arguably entirely unimportant— you can't measure non-listening nodes in bitcoin reliably.
 58 2012-04-25 01:59:40 <sipa> the number of reachable nodes, and how reachable they are is interesting
 59 2012-04-25 02:00:09 <gmaxwell> Knowing how many connections nodes have is interesting, but we can't collect that.
 60 2012-04-25 02:01:19 <luke-jr> it would be handy if you could ask nodes what peers they had
 61 2012-04-25 02:01:25 <luke-jr> but probably risky too
 62 2012-04-25 02:01:42 <luke-jr> would be cool to have a pretty map of Bitcoin node relationships
 63 2012-04-25 02:01:46 <gmaxwell> Yea.. that would make it easier to isolate nodes.
 64 2012-04-25 02:01:47 <MC1984> the times skype totally went down, was because the ratio of supernodes dropped too low
 65 2012-04-25 02:02:08 <MC1984> the remaining ones overloaded
 66 2012-04-25 02:02:16 <sipa> MC1984: skype?
 67 2012-04-25 02:02:19 <gmaxwell> MC1984: well we don't even have 'supernodes'
 68 2012-04-25 02:03:02 <MC1984> yes you do
 69 2012-04-25 02:03:21 <gmaxwell> We have listening and non-listening nodes. ... and yes, it matters if the listening ones get overloaded. But it's still not quite the same thing.
 70 2012-04-25 02:03:32 <MC1984> well ok
 71 2012-04-25 02:03:39 <MC1984> thats what i mean
 72 2012-04-25 02:04:38 <MC1984> wait sipa tracks that
 73 2012-04-25 02:05:00 <gmaxwell> Sipa knows if he can't connect. But thats a lagging indicator.
 74 2012-04-25 02:05:02 <luke-jr> sipa: Skype abuses user resources
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 76 2012-04-25 02:05:53 <gmaxwell> sipa: skype forms an encrypted p2p network between the clients so that Skype Inc. doesn't need to run servers except as gateways.
 77 2012-04-25 02:06:14 <sipa> oh right, indeed
 78 2012-04-25 02:07:14 <MC1984> they do now
 79 2012-04-25 02:07:32 <MC1984> last time the skype died, thye were just throwing up supernodes on EC2 lol
 80 2012-04-25 02:07:34 <gmaxwell> My public node is at 32% of its connections.. though its a bit of an odd one because it runs the irc hopping patch.
 81 2012-04-25 02:11:36 <jrmithdobbs> hm, my public node apparently hung like a week ago
 82 2012-04-25 02:11:41 <gmaxwell> 0_o
 83 2012-04-25 02:11:51 <gmaxwell> jrmithdobbs: is the process still running? anything in the debug log?
 84 2012-04-25 02:12:01 <gmaxwell> are you out of disk space?
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 86 2012-04-25 02:12:24 <jrmithdobbs> actually
 87 2012-04-25 02:12:31 <jrmithdobbs> it's still running rpc just isn't responding
 88 2012-04-25 02:12:51 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: nah, i use -printtoconsole and pipe it to svlogd so it auto rotates
 89 2012-04-25 02:13:22 <jrmithdobbs> started looking because sipa's stats say 5% uptime for last month
 90 2012-04-25 02:13:24 <sipa> gmaxwell: ok, now keeping total reachability stats :)
 91 2012-04-25 02:13:49 <jrmithdobbs> err 40% for 7 days, w/e
 92 2012-04-25 02:13:51 <sipa> just the sum of the percentages in each column of seeds.txt
 93 2012-04-25 02:14:01 <jrmithdobbs> but can't get getinfo to return
 94 2012-04-25 02:14:15 <sipa> which version?
 95 2012-04-25 02:14:19 <jrmithdobbs> 6.0.0.4
 96 2012-04-25 02:14:26 <sipa> hmm
 97 2012-04-25 02:14:50 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: can give you the ip if you scraper might have logs about the connection failure ;p
 98 2012-04-25 02:15:18 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: /msg
 99 2012-04-25 02:15:19 <sipa> no, i don't keep logs about that
100 2012-04-25 02:15:33 <luke-jr> is it possible to get transifax or whatever it's called to do translations for other branches as well?
101 2012-04-25 02:15:40 <jrmithdobbs> ya bitcoind getinfo; hangs indef
102 2012-04-25 02:16:05 <gmaxwell> jrmithdobbs: so get a backtrace of every thread.. sounds like something is deadlocked.
103 2012-04-25 02:16:41 <jrmithdobbs> according to the log it's responding to p2p fine, i see the last block
104 2012-04-25 02:16:47 <gmaxwell> (I don't know an easier way than connecting with gdb and running thread # ; bt for each thread
105 2012-04-25 02:16:50 <jrmithdobbs> weird
106 2012-04-25 02:16:58 <gmaxwell> jrmithdobbs: yea could be some lock that is needed for e.g. wallet acces.
107 2012-04-25 02:16:59 <sipa> something holding the wallet lock maybe?
108 2012-04-25 02:17:00 <gmaxwell> access.
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110 2012-04-25 02:17:11 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: that'd be *really* weird because it's an empty wallet
111 2012-04-25 02:17:13 <sipa> or the keystore lock
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113 2012-04-25 02:17:37 <jrmithdobbs> empty and unencypted
114 2012-04-25 02:19:18 <sipa> how lang had it been running?
115 2012-04-25 02:19:44 <sipa> long
116 2012-04-25 02:19:55 <jrmithdobbs> haha
117 2012-04-25 02:20:00 <jrmithdobbs> stupid thing, got it
118 2012-04-25 02:20:05 <luke-jr> could simply be another connection to JSON-RPC…
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120 2012-04-25 02:20:14 <gmaxwell> rpc to wrong port?
121 2012-04-25 02:20:16 <luke-jr> without the threading patch, bitcoind can only handle 1 connection
122 2012-04-25 02:20:22 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: Mar16 459:30
123 2012-04-25 02:20:27 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: nah, disk
124 2012-04-25 02:20:45 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: just not the fs the blockchain/etc is on, just the logs ... stupid apt filled up /var
125 2012-04-25 02:21:01 <sipa> 04:10:22 < gmaxwell> are you out of disk space?
126 2012-04-25 02:21:18 <jrmithdobbs> bitcoin doesn't touch that fs directly
127 2012-04-25 02:21:25 <jrmithdobbs> -printtoconsole
128 2012-04-25 02:21:28 <sipa> irrelevant!
129 2012-04-25 02:21:44 <jrmithdobbs> actually, shouldn't be, writes to stdout shouldn't hang the client
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131 2012-04-25 02:21:51 <gmaxwell> Yea, do not question the dumb tech support questions. They sound dumb, but it's usually something dumb. :)
132 2012-04-25 02:21:52 <jrmithdobbs> err blocked writes
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134 2012-04-25 02:22:04 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: oh I looked, just only at the bitcoin fs ;p
135 2012-04-25 02:22:05 <gmaxwell> Yes they do—
136 2012-04-25 02:22:13 <gmaxwell> otherwise you'd OOM on things like that
137 2012-04-25 02:22:44 <gmaxwell> stdout writes do eventually block, there is some buffering (I'm actually really hazy on how that works), but eventually they block.
138 2012-04-25 02:22:57 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: well, stdout is a pipe in this case
139 2012-04-25 02:23:03 <gmaxwell> yes, and pipes block.
140 2012-04-25 02:23:07 <jrmithdobbs> so it's easy to block
141 2012-04-25 02:23:21 <sipa> pipes have a limited cache (a few kilobytes, iirc)
142 2012-04-25 02:23:21 <gmaxwell> otherwise  yes  | slowthing  would run you oom fast. :)
143 2012-04-25 02:23:42 <luke-jr> pipes have a cache?
144 2012-04-25 02:23:50 <luke-jr> I thought writing to a pipe blocked until the other end read it
145 2012-04-25 02:24:04 <jrmithdobbs> i'm just surprised it stopped all the threads
146 2012-04-25 02:24:08 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: yes, there is some kind of buffer.
147 2012-04-25 02:24:14 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: it obviously didn't
148 2012-04-25 02:24:18 <sipa> 64 KiB in recent versions of linux
149 2012-04-25 02:24:20 <gmaxwell> jrmithdobbs: it stopped any thread that writes output probably.
150 2012-04-25 02:24:34 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: that makes sense
151 2012-04-25 02:24:42 <jrmithdobbs> which would be why rpc wasn't responding
152 2012-04-25 02:25:46 <sipa> but the message handler thread would certainly have blocked
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198 2012-04-25 05:17:53 <Perlboy> hi there
199 2012-04-25 05:17:55 <Perlboy> received block 0000000000000a15fbdc
200 2012-04-25 05:17:55 <Perlboy> SetBestChain: new best=0000000000000a15fbdc  height=161114  work=204935445726539472879
201 2012-04-25 05:17:55 <Perlboy> ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED
202 2012-04-25 05:18:04 <Perlboy> this has been cycling on my bitcoind for a few hours now
203 2012-04-25 05:18:09 <Perlboy> what's the go?
204 2012-04-25 05:18:48 <Perlboy> oh wait
205 2012-04-25 05:18:50 <Perlboy> i figured it out.
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247 2012-04-25 08:36:57 <paulo_> are there any vulnerable points of centralization regarding bitcoin?
248 2012-04-25 08:39:16 <theorbtwo> paulo_: You might look into how you find your initial peers, but that may have been fixed while I wasn't paying attention.
249 2012-04-25 08:39:32 <theorbtwo> Also consider what happens to the market when exchanges go up/down.
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251 2012-04-25 08:40:32 <paulo_> yes, I was thinking if mtgox can manipulate prices.
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256 2012-04-25 08:57:53 <Eliel> paulo_: to some extent they could but there's a limit to how much they can. Also, doing so might be illegal so they might be taking a huge personal risks if they did so.
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260 2012-04-25 09:10:47 <kinlo> if mtgox would play with the prices and people found out, they would seriously damage their own business, which would be very stupid of them
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271 2012-04-25 09:44:50 <paulo_> would you recommend printing out of private keys?
272 2012-04-25 09:45:57 <ThomasV> paulo_: why?
273 2012-04-25 09:46:04 <paulo_> for backup
274 2012-04-25 09:47:18 <ThomasV> use a deterministic wallet, like electrum, and save the seed
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298 2012-04-25 11:34:23 <pigeons> every seed is sacred every seed is great
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309 2012-04-25 12:18:45 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: drizztbsd opened pull request 1146 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1146>
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344 2012-04-25 13:56:18 <jgarzik> socket() returns int on *nix, and void* (HANDLE) on Windows.  What did Satoshi choose?  "u_int"  Sigh.
345 2012-04-25 13:56:29 <Diablo-D3> hah
346 2012-04-25 13:56:33 <Diablo-D3> jgarzik: I find that extra hilarious
347 2012-04-25 13:56:39 <Diablo-D3> Im writing the bulk of the threading code for lugh atm
348 2012-04-25 13:56:56 <Diablo-D3> as far as I can tell, atm
349 2012-04-25 13:57:00 <Diablo-D3> osx has no ability for TLS.
350 2012-04-25 13:57:17 <Diablo-D3> how the fuck did they ship an os that supports threads without a fucking tls.
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352 2012-04-25 13:59:00 <sipa> jgarzik: i wonder if we couldn't just make SOCKET equal to void* if WIN32, and int otherwise?
353 2012-04-25 13:59:08 <luke-jr> typedef to the rescue!
354 2012-04-25 13:59:15 <sipa> it's already a typedef
355 2012-04-25 13:59:38 <luke-jr> #ifdef WIN32 \n typedef HANDLE socket_t \n #else \n typedef int socket_t \n #endif
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358 2012-04-25 14:00:42 <sipa> luke-jr: yes, that's what i mean
359 2012-04-25 14:03:08 <sipa> or even better, a class that encapsulates void* or u_int, depending on the OS, as a private field, and the ConnetSocket methods
360 2012-04-25 14:03:13 <sipa> oh wait, that's boost!
361 2012-04-25 14:04:25 <gavinandresen> sipa: I have a hypothesis on the addrman crash...
362 2012-04-25 14:06:38 <gavinandresen> my hypothesis is a race condition involving addrman.mapInfo() -- is there a reason that data structure isn't critical-section-protected?
363 2012-04-25 14:06:58 <jgarzik> ok, I stand corrected.  winsock2 defines SOCKET as u_int, which we redundantly do for all OS's
364 2012-04-25 14:09:02 <jgarzik> preferably, we only define SOCKET and INVALID_SOCKET on *nix, and we define SOCKET to 'int' as is proper
365 2012-04-25 14:09:34 <sipa> gavinandresen: none of the internal methods in addrman acquire a lock, but all public ones do
366 2012-04-25 14:09:47 <sipa> so no internal code should ever run without the lock
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369 2012-04-25 14:10:57 <gavinandresen> sipa: cool
370 2012-04-25 14:14:20 <gavinandresen> (I was fooled by the lack of any calls to LOCK() in the .cpp file... my preference would be for all new code to put just declarations in .h files, unless it's performance critical or can't be avoided, like IMPLEMENT_SERIALIZE)
371 2012-04-25 14:15:34 <sipa> yes, that's probably cleaner; i didn't because the public functions are very thin wrappers that can easily be inlined
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377 2012-04-25 14:30:11 <paulo_> is there a gui client for namecoin?
378 2012-04-25 14:30:38 <gmaxwell> paulo_: ask in #namecoin
379 2012-04-25 14:34:44 <drizztbsd> why do you need to use namecoin? :)
380 2012-04-25 14:34:55 <Diablo-D3> sipa: man
381 2012-04-25 14:34:57 <Diablo-D3> you'd love my code
382 2012-04-25 14:35:08 <Diablo-D3> static inline functions in headers
383 2012-04-25 14:35:11 <Diablo-D3> to wrap api calls and be typesafe
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385 2012-04-25 14:35:40 <gmaxwell> Anyone try -flto on the bitcoin codebase?
386 2012-04-25 14:35:54 <sipa> flto?
387 2012-04-25 14:36:08 <sipa> ah,
388 2012-04-25 14:36:11 <Diablo-D3> link time opt?
389 2012-04-25 14:37:28 <gmaxwell> It makes a pretty big diffierence for some codebases.. and should generally reduce the 'need' for putting code in headers.
390 2012-04-25 14:37:45 <sipa> interesting
391 2012-04-25 14:38:06 <Diablo-D3> oh, I do it just because inline isnt strong enough
392 2012-04-25 14:38:23 <Diablo-D3> I want it to NOT call the function no matter what
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394 2012-04-25 14:39:38 <Diablo-D3> it forces the compiler to just call the function the function exists to call
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396 2012-04-25 14:43:23 <sipa> gmaxwell: ok, i just got a 1.2 MiB bitcoid binary
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400 2012-04-25 14:43:40 <sipa> without flto 1.5
401 2012-04-25 14:43:52 <sipa> but the 0.6.0 was 4
402 2012-04-25 14:44:03 <sipa> probably the cleanup of headers also helped a lot already
403 2012-04-25 14:47:19 <gmaxwell> I _think_ it's not quite smart enough to merge common code that came in from headers. (e.g. there would be duplicates wherever they weren't completely inlined)
404 2012-04-25 14:47:41 <Diablo-D3> btw, for the record, lugh is a library
405 2012-04-25 14:47:53 <Diablo-D3> you cant lto libs into apps
406 2012-04-25 14:50:22 <paulo_> only through bitcoin did I know that there are non-deterministic encryption algos
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408 2012-04-25 14:50:52 <paulo_> also the meaning of the word "deterministic"
409 2012-04-25 14:51:16 <sipa> paulo_: there are non-deterministic encryption algorithms, but bitcoin doesn't not use one
410 2012-04-25 14:51:27 <sipa> paulo_: it uses a non-deterministic signature algorithm
411 2012-04-25 14:51:32 <gmaxwell> We use a non deterministic signature algorithim.
412 2012-04-25 14:51:38 <Diablo-D3> wwhhhhhhyyyyyyy
413 2012-04-25 14:51:54 <gmaxwell> Though the non-determinism of ECDSA kinda sucks (ask sony for details).
414 2012-04-25 14:52:09 <sipa> also it is not necessary (exemplified by Ed25519)
415 2012-04-25 14:52:15 <Diablo-D3> int random() { return 3; }
416 2012-04-25 14:52:22 <sipa> 4!
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419 2012-04-25 14:54:26 <Diablo-D3> I thought it was 3
420 2012-04-25 14:55:45 <sipa> http://xkcd.com/221/
421 2012-04-25 14:56:44 <Diablo-D3> oh damn
422 2012-04-25 14:57:57 <LittleDuke> Need ALL US peeps to visit this site, enter zip code to fire off digital love at reps -> https://action.eff.org/o/9042/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=8609
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424 2012-04-25 14:58:43 <Diablo-D3> LittleDuke: ironic, Ive already done it
425 2012-04-25 14:59:05 <LittleDuke> Diablo-D3 -- "vote early.  vote often!"
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427 2012-04-25 14:59:20 <sipa> gmaxwell: hmm, our gitian build platform only has gcc-4.4
428 2012-04-25 14:59:24 <LittleDuke> need to rebroadcast that out to all your peeps/social nets
429 2012-04-25 14:59:28 <sipa> and flto was introduced in 4.5
430 2012-04-25 15:00:12 <gmaxwell> sipa: oh darn. Indeed. (and, lto isn't all that great until 4.6)
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442 2012-04-25 15:20:36 <sipa> devrandom: how would we go about changing the ubuntu version in gitian's base images? or otherwise use a gcc backport in there?
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444 2012-04-25 15:20:47 <sipa> (though i would certainly prefer the first option)
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447 2012-04-25 15:23:32 <gmaxwell> sipa: hm, doesn't binary compatiblity with older releases require us to build off an older ubuntu image?
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449 2012-04-25 15:23:54 <gavinandresen> yes, satoshi chose the oldest ubuntu he could find that worked with all the dependencies to get max binary compatibility
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451 2012-04-25 15:27:29 <sipa> gmaxwell: right, of course
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453 2012-04-25 15:29:05 <luke-jr> Satoshi was involved in gitian? O.o
454 2012-04-25 15:29:21 <gavinandresen> no
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459 2012-04-25 15:33:05 <t7> where did the gitian name come from?
460 2012-04-25 15:33:26 <sipa> i suppose devrandom came up with it
461 2012-04-25 15:33:28 <jrmithdobbs> LittleDuke: i would but um, my rep proposed SOPA so he's not going to listen, lol
462 2012-04-25 15:33:37 <jrmithdobbs> fuckin texas
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464 2012-04-25 15:33:56 <LittleDuke> jrmithdobbs, i think it would send a message that he may not be your rep for much longer ;-)
465 2012-04-25 15:34:04 <jrmithdobbs> actually, i might be out of his district now
466 2012-04-25 15:34:15 <LittleDuke> you're certainly out of his league
467 2012-04-25 15:34:18 <jrmithdobbs> LittleDuke: it's tx and he's a R ... he will be in office until he decides to step down.
468 2012-04-25 15:34:35 <jrmithdobbs> (I've never voted for him, obviously)
469 2012-04-25 15:35:22 <jrmithdobbs> nope, still in dipshit's district
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490 2012-04-25 16:34:42 <Diapolo> hi
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497 2012-04-25 16:47:04 <devrandom> sipa: the distribution can be change with --suite to make-base-vm and suite: in the yaml file
498 2012-04-25 16:48:01 <devrandom> gavinandresen: did you see that I implemented lxc support for gitian?  (i.e. no more svm requirement for the hardware)
499 2012-04-25 16:48:12 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: gonna cut a release today?
500 2012-04-25 16:57:04 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: release today is a good idea; my schedule has been crazy this week, though...
501 2012-04-25 16:57:18 <gavinandresen> devrandom: i don't know what lxc and svm are
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505 2012-04-25 16:59:18 <gavinandresen> devrandom: ahh... http://lxc.sourceforge.net/
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507 2012-04-25 17:00:05 <gavinandresen> devrandom: very cool, when I get a little time I'll try running that inside a VirtualBox on my mac
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509 2012-04-25 17:01:40 <devrandom> cool
510 2012-04-25 17:02:05 <devrandom> (svm is the name of the hardware virtualization support)
511 2012-04-25 17:02:21 <jrmithdobbs> devrandom: so it can run on core2s now?
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513 2012-04-25 17:02:46 <devrandom> jrmithdobbs: anything 64 bit (if you want to build 64 bit, that is)
514 2012-04-25 17:02:54 <paulo_> anyone else saying: why didn't I think og bitcoin first?
515 2012-04-25 17:02:57 <paulo_> *of
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517 2012-04-25 17:12:18 <gavinandresen> jgarzik sipa gmaxwell : could one of you start the 0.6.1rc1 release process?  I'm at my kid's birthday party this afternoon....
518 2012-04-25 17:12:55 <gavinandresen> TODOs would be: write release notes, tag tree, start gitian building...
519 2012-04-25 17:13:01 <Diablo-D3> and Ill form the HEAD!
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521 2012-04-25 17:13:19 <Diablo-D3> git voltron, defender of the universe
522 2012-04-25 17:13:32 * gmaxwell stashes Diablo-D3 
523 2012-04-25 17:14:03 <gmaxwell> I'm in meetings all afternoon. :-/
524 2012-04-25 17:14:08 <Diablo-D3> urgh, an unforeseen consequence!
525 2012-04-25 17:14:16 <Diablo-D3> fuck ALL the meetings \o/
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528 2012-04-25 17:16:04 <paulo_> to find an address's balance, you have to search the block chain, right?
529 2012-04-25 17:19:18 <Diapolo> Diablo-D3: you like Half-Life ;)?
530 2012-04-25 17:20:55 <Diablo-D3> yes, but that was totally accidental
531 2012-04-25 17:21:18 <Diapolo> hard to believe, I had to laugh ^^
532 2012-04-25 17:22:20 <Diapolo> Can any one explain how you guys decide when an RC is build and the master get's a little "code-freeze" / commit-pause while preparing it :)?
533 2012-04-25 17:23:06 <Diablo-D3> Diapolo: you'll like what I put in Lugh
534 2012-04-25 17:23:19 <gmaxwell> See the myster miner makes a block, and if it can see its shadow then there will be three more weeks of hacking.
535 2012-04-25 17:24:19 <Diablo-D3> Diapolo: 0x43616B653D4C6965
536 2012-04-25 17:24:28 <Diablo-D3> printf it as a char *
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543 2012-04-25 17:37:09 <Diapolo> Diablo-D3: Cake=Lie ROFL
544 2012-04-25 17:37:36 <Diablo-D3> Diapolo: :D
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546 2012-04-25 17:48:39 <Diapolo> Am I right, block-chain DL speed depends heavily on the remote nodes upstream bandwitdh?
547 2012-04-25 17:53:10 <Diablo-D3> yes, until your hd io runs out
548 2012-04-25 17:53:13 <Diablo-D3> which is much sooner
549 2012-04-25 17:54:10 <Diapolo> As I use it on a SSD I guess the limiting factor is the connection at first.
550 2012-04-25 17:54:34 <Diablo-D3> yeah probably
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563 2012-04-25 18:24:23 <jgarzik> I nominate BlueMatt and sipa
564 2012-04-25 18:25:04 <Graet> seconded
565 2012-04-25 18:25:06 <Graet> what for?
566 2012-04-25 18:25:43 <Diablo-D3> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=78052.0
567 2012-04-25 18:25:44 <Diablo-D3> VOTE NOW
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573 2012-04-25 18:47:34 <jgarzik> tagging the release
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577 2012-04-25 19:04:36 <paulo_> how is it made sure that the difficulty is the same for all clients?
578 2012-04-25 19:05:21 <paulo_> blocks would lag across the network, and the target may not be calculated the same
579 2012-04-25 19:05:22 <paulo_> OR
580 2012-04-25 19:05:27 <paulo_> do blocks have time stamps?
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592 2012-04-25 19:15:49 <paulo_> heh, someone's using my old nickname
593 2012-04-25 19:15:52 <paulo_> paul0
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615 2012-04-25 20:02:38 <davout_> hey all
616 2012-04-25 20:02:59 <davout_> has anyone ever encountered in response to sendtoaddress "Transaction creation failed" ?
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623 2012-04-25 20:15:02 <sipa> gmaxwell, jgarzik: i'd really like to have #1119 in 0.6.1; you guys have any objections?
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630 2012-04-25 20:22:38 <jgarzik> sipa: I officially abstain from any ACK or NAK :)
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632 2012-04-25 20:23:08 <helo> davout_: is it a really big transaction? i.e. a ton of inputs or outputs
633 2012-04-25 20:24:13 <davout_> helo: 12k
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635 2012-04-25 20:25:03 <davout_> helo: but i found the reason, its because it's from instawallets client which is patched to send only from its green address, and not all the balance is stored on the green address, hence the non-standard message
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642 2012-04-25 20:25:31 <helo> oh a different client...
643 2012-04-25 20:26:57 <davout> helo: it's just patched, but yes, technically it makes it different :D
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647 2012-04-25 20:28:05 <davout> yay, it worked http://tinyurl.com/7kngcbd
648 2012-04-25 20:29:14 <sipa> devrandom: ok, and adding a PPA and installing a package from it, how would you advise to do that? (preferably in some sort of verifiable way, so the installed packages are checksummed)
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654 2012-04-25 20:30:36 <paulo_> that's a fee of 0.0014%. good job bitcoin
655 2012-04-25 20:31:15 <davout> paulo_: true, and awesome
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721 2012-04-25 22:44:34 <Cryo> http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2012/04/coinlab-gets-500000-in-vc-for-bitcoin-related-gaming-startup.ars
722 2012-04-25 22:44:39 <Cryo> how… lame.
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725 2012-04-25 22:52:09 <devrandom> sipa: I'm not sure yet about that.  My initial thought is to write a wrapper around apt-get that does the verification step.  I don't know if apt-get has a plugin facility where you can veto a package that doesn't pass validation.
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730 2012-04-25 22:55:41 <Diablo-D3> Cryo: very lame
731 2012-04-25 22:55:54 <Diablo-D3> since Im just going to have the community show up or shut up on DMC
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734 2012-04-25 22:58:49 <Diablo-D3> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=78052.0
735 2012-04-25 23:02:55 <Cryo> I find it just completely stupid that they can get $500k in VC for a product off of the bitcoin source, but that no one will touch giving the actual bitcoin development a hand.
736 2012-04-25 23:07:09 <Eliel> I find that coinlab mining somewhat scary. It's plausible that they might get 51+% of mining power.
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751 2012-04-25 23:41:06 <dub> expect it will bo down in a flaming storm of butthurt, as soon as people receive their electric bills
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753 2012-04-25 23:44:50 <dub> followed by 'bitcoin steals $$$ from children' headlines
754 2012-04-25 23:45:47 <BTC_Bear> then XYZ, Inc. has a class action suit filed against them.
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758 2012-04-25 23:57:37 <Cryo> It should be ensured that they can't connect to the bitcoin network with their clients.
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