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 37 2012-04-30 02:01:07 <sneak> can someone direct me to info about the security/network harm issues with pre 0.6.0?
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 39 2012-04-30 02:02:08 <gmaxwell> sneak: the *OLD VERSIONS HARM THE NETWORK AND YOUR SECURITY* is generic and is not specifically referring to 0.6.0.  There are different reasons for different versions.
 40 2012-04-30 02:03:10 <gmaxwell> sneak: for example some versions prior to 3.24 randomly hang up on nodes while syncing the chain and also will show some never possibly valid transactions as valid (although always unconfirmed) in your wallet.
 41 2012-04-30 02:04:16 <gmaxwell> sneak: Versions prior to 0.6.0 (except 0.5.4, which is a backport which came after 0.6) will accept blocks which can not possibly be valid due to non-enforcement of the later added BIP16 rules.
 42 2012-04-30 02:06:15 <gmaxwell> 0.5.0 - 0.5.3 on Windows have an issue where the C++ exception handling is non-threadsafe, which could potentially lead to remote exploits (and we issued a CVE over this, though we've not been able to get it to do worse than crash under some contrived conditions)
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 44 2012-04-30 02:07:15 <gmaxwell> There have been bugs where large reorgs could leave nodes stuck on stub chains, and so on.  Basically every version released includes reliablity fixes.
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 53 2012-04-30 02:23:21 <luke-jr> sneak: for security, see https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/CVEs
 54 2012-04-30 02:23:45 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: thanks, I didn't know we had that page.
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 81 2012-04-30 03:11:35 <redhost> Any tips on bitcoin hosting?  What about  Cinfu?
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 84 2012-04-30 03:22:25 <redhost> neofutur: thanks
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100 2012-04-30 04:19:55 <buttwere5> Hi, can anyone point me to the function responsible updating the wallet on receiving a new transaction? (in the official client)
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103 2012-04-30 04:20:37 <buttwere5> I am looking at CWallet::AddToWallet but I am not sure if I have found the right one
104 2012-04-30 04:21:50 <andytoshi> that looks like the right one to me, but i'm really not familiar with how wallets are handled
105 2012-04-30 04:22:57 <buttwere5> additionally the inserting/random selection of addresses is confusing me
106 2012-04-30 04:24:35 <andytoshi> which, the insertion or random selection :P
107 2012-04-30 04:25:11 <buttwere5> heh, both since I am not sure why they are relevant in a receive
108 2012-04-30 04:25:30 <buttwere5> well, it's inserting the random selection, not a known (looks like) address
109 2012-04-30 04:27:03 <andytoshi> buttwere5: when a transaction is recieved, a new address is generated for user privacy
110 2012-04-30 04:27:07 <andytoshi> the two aren't logically related
111 2012-04-30 04:27:20 <andytoshi> it's just to avoid the reuse of addresses
112 2012-04-30 04:28:41 <buttwere5> oh okay, I guess I can see why that would happen
113 2012-04-30 04:29:11 <andytoshi> if you find this stuff confusing, i encourage you to add comments and submit patches
114 2012-04-30 04:29:21 <andytoshi> the code can certainly use more documentation
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116 2012-04-30 04:33:20 <buttwere5> one day, possibly
117 2012-04-30 04:33:25 <buttwere5> I'd need to read a lot more of this code
118 2012-04-30 04:40:42 <andytoshi> well, good luck :) it's mostly pretty good now
119 2012-04-30 04:41:02 <andytoshi> a year ago, it was a nightmare, but we've got some great devs here
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140 2012-04-30 05:31:54 <ferroh> sigh
141 2012-04-30 05:32:00 <ferroh> bitcoin-qt just segfaulted
142 2012-04-30 05:32:06 <ferroh> in the new version of ubuntu
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145 2012-04-30 05:34:05 <ferroh> has anyone else seen that happen or is it just me
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148 2012-04-30 05:36:39 <andytoshi> we've got reports all sorts of bad shit happening to gEDA on the new ubuntu
149 2012-04-30 05:36:50 <andytoshi> but can't reproduce in gdb
150 2012-04-30 05:36:59 <andytoshi> also, there's GUI glitches - but we use gtk
151 2012-04-30 05:37:11 <andytoshi> for what that's worth
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153 2012-04-30 05:44:55 <ferroh> i was using a slightly older version
154 2012-04-30 05:45:00 <ferroh> compiling 0611 now
155 2012-04-30 05:46:01 <ferroh> hmm
156 2012-04-30 05:46:09 <ferroh> 0.6.1rc1 seems to work
157 2012-04-30 05:46:10 <ferroh> so far
158 2012-04-30 05:50:02 <andytoshi> hmm, if you're feeling like keeping a terminal open forever, you could run it in gdb
159 2012-04-30 05:50:04 <andytoshi> just in case
160 2012-04-30 05:50:44 <andytoshi> i'm thinking of installing ubuntu in a VM sometime
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175 2012-04-30 06:40:33 <Joric> are there any other deterministic schemes besides armory and electrum?
176 2012-04-30 06:44:20 <Joric> probably strongcoin
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201 2012-04-30 08:41:26 <dusty__> hi all
202 2012-04-30 08:42:02 <dusty__> is there any1 that can help me with a simple question regarding max target and difficulty?
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209 2012-04-30 08:55:29 <dusty__> ok, as stated on the topic, I ask :)
210 2012-04-30 08:55:31 <dusty__> I'm trying to import the testnet block chain on a library I'm working on but speaking of difficulty I'm not understanding well the differences relative to the production network.
211 2012-04-30 08:55:40 <dusty__> This is what I've understood until now about prodnet:
212 2012-04-30 08:55:40 <dusty__> - max allowed target is 0xFFFF0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
213 2012-04-30 08:55:40 <dusty__> - corresponding max bits (compressed target) is 0x1D00FFFF
214 2012-04-30 08:55:49 <dusty__> While in testnet:
215 2012-04-30 08:55:49 <dusty__> - what is the max allowed target?
216 2012-04-30 08:56:09 <dusty__> On the wiki it's stated that "Minimum difficulty of 1.0 on testnet is equal to difficulty of 0.5 on mainnet. This means that the mainnet-equivalent of any testnet difficulty is half the testnet difficulty." so I guess I've to shift left the prodnet max target, getting 0x1FFFE00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 but I can't find any confirmation for that.
217 2012-04-30 08:56:09 <dusty__>  what is the corresponding compressed target?
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237 2012-04-30 10:00:27 <sipa> dusty__: current minimum testnet difficulty is 0.125
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246 2012-04-30 11:03:40 <dusty__> thanks sipa for you reply, but that's not what I was asking: current minimum is lower because of recent rules change (after 20 min of no blocks the difficulty is lowered)
247 2012-04-30 11:04:30 <dusty__> I'm trying to understand how to validate block #2016: http://blockexplorer.com/testnet/block/0000000049980FB18C07A9888A18D00D965FB3DA445770D88A1213462A02029B
248 2012-04-30 11:04:47 <sipa> no, after 20 minutes, difficulty of 0.125 is allowed
249 2012-04-30 11:04:50 <sipa> in testnet
250 2012-04-30 11:04:54 <dusty__> ok
251 2012-04-30 11:05:21 <dusty__> anyway I'm working on block #2016, that was issued well before this change
252 2012-04-30 11:05:50 <sipa> in other cases, normal rules apply, but difficulty can go as low as 0.125 as well there
253 2012-04-30 11:06:06 <dusty__> it has a difficulty of 0x5AD4A0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
254 2012-04-30 11:06:47 <dusty__> while max target should be 0x1FFFE00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
255 2012-04-30 11:07:28 <dusty__> and I suppose that's wrong, but what I don't know is what the max target should be for that block
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257 2012-04-30 11:09:21 <sipa> why is that wrong?
258 2012-04-30 11:13:52 <dusty__> because if my calculations are right (and they certainly are not) the hash of the block is higher than the max allowed, so it should not be validated
259 2012-04-30 11:14:25 <dusty__> I mean higher than what it's advertised (bits 1d05ad4a)
260 2012-04-30 11:15:39 <sipa> it would beat difficulty 3.5 or something like that, i think
261 2012-04-30 11:16:06 <sipa> its hash is even below 0x00000000FFFF0000....
262 2012-04-30 11:16:14 <sipa> which is difficulty 1
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265 2012-04-30 11:20:18 <dusty__> mmm you're right
266 2012-04-30 11:20:42 <dusty__> I'm doing something very wrong somewhere
267 2012-04-30 11:20:46 <dusty__> I'll look into it
268 2012-04-30 11:20:53 <dusty__> thanks very much for the help
269 2012-04-30 11:22:58 <dusty__> ok, I get it, the problem is in the claimed target, different from what I recalculated (they should match perfectly)
270 2012-04-30 11:23:21 <dusty__> block has target 0x5ad4a0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 (0x1d05ad4a), when calculated is: 0x1fffe00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 (0x1d1fffe0)
271 2012-04-30 11:27:42 <dusty__> ok, problem found
272 2012-04-30 11:27:51 <dusty__> I created a wrong genesys block :-/
273 2012-04-30 11:28:03 * dusty__ hits itself with a punch
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318 2012-04-30 14:26:08 <paulo_> is gmaxwell here?
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320 2012-04-30 14:28:31 <paulo_> I believe I might be able to compress lamport signatures to a best case of 64 bytes
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325 2012-04-30 14:36:10 <paulo_> nevermind, I just found a flaw to it.
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333 2012-04-30 14:45:45 <luke-jr> wumpus: 6974aff Fix critical UI performance issue (#1154)
334 2012-04-30 14:45:58 <luke-jr> wumpus: is that a new bug in 0.6.0? the relevant code dates back to 0.5.0 O.o
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336 2012-04-30 15:02:20 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: gavinandresen opened issue 1167 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1167>
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338 2012-04-30 15:05:20 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: might be more obvious due to making the sync faster...
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340 2012-04-30 15:16:00 <Diablo-D3> gmaxwell: you know, whoever invented threads was a fucking cunt.
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357 2012-04-30 16:13:16 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: luke-jr opened issue 1169 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1169> || luke-jr opened issue 1168 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1168>
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360 2012-04-30 16:20:13 <genjix> etotheipi_: hey
361 2012-04-30 16:20:46 <genjix> etotheipi_: can you give me some text for electrum to go on bitcoin.org?
362 2012-04-30 16:20:57 <genjix> sorry armory lol
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364 2012-04-30 16:22:55 <zzzzzzzzz> Hi, I am trying to compile bitcoind on my vps but I see for some reason it requires wx even though I need it in daemon mode and not a gui - any way I can avoid this during compilation?
365 2012-04-30 16:25:46 <luke-jr> zzzzzzzzz: wx is long gone
366 2012-04-30 16:25:48 <sipa> zzzzzzzzz: which old version of the code are you trying to compile?
367 2012-04-30 16:26:16 <luke-jr> I suppose he could be trying to use 0.4.6rc1 :p
368 2012-04-30 16:26:31 <luke-jr> zzzzzzzzz: anyhow, you're using "make -f makefile.unix bitcoind …"
369 2012-04-30 16:26:33 <luke-jr> ?
370 2012-04-30 16:27:01 <zzzzzzzzz> 0.4.3
371 2012-04-30 16:27:07 <sipa> why....?
372 2012-04-30 16:27:10 <luke-jr> zzzzzzzzz: known security issues. why?
373 2012-04-30 16:27:15 <sipa> 0.6.0 is released already
374 2012-04-30 16:27:17 <luke-jr> zzzzzzzzz: at the very least, do 0.4.5
375 2012-04-30 16:27:17 <zzzzzzzzz> that's the one I had been working on, didn't realize there were updates in the meanwhile
376 2012-04-30 16:27:23 <luke-jr> …
377 2012-04-30 16:27:34 <zzzzzzzzz> whoops
378 2012-04-30 16:27:54 <sipa> 0.4.3 is 4 months old
379 2012-04-30 16:27:56 <luke-jr> zzzzzzzzz: if you need ultra-stable, go with 0.4.5 or 0.5.4; otherwise, get 0.6.0
380 2012-04-30 16:28:11 <zzzzzzzzz> which one doesn't have a gui version included?
381 2012-04-30 16:28:18 <luke-jr> zzzzzzzzz: all of them support bitcoind
382 2012-04-30 16:28:24 <zzzzzzzzz> awesome
383 2012-04-30 16:28:31 <luke-jr> all of them have a GUI alternative available too
384 2012-04-30 16:32:28 <sipa> before 0.5.0, wxwidgets
385 2012-04-30 16:32:36 <sipa> from 0.5.0 on, Qt
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389 2012-04-30 16:40:59 <paulo_> i tried using 0.1.3 once
390 2012-04-30 16:41:01 <paulo_> won
391 2012-04-30 16:41:13 <paulo_> *won't even run on windows 7
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398 2012-04-30 16:59:00 <Diablo-D3> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-ty8xw3axk
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405 2012-04-30 17:23:22 <wumpus> luke-jr: the code was not a problem before, but the meaning of the functions changed somewhat
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408 2012-04-30 17:44:08 <gavinandresen> wumpus: any critical GUI fixes that should be pulled before I tag 0.6.1rc2 ?
409 2012-04-30 17:45:27 <wumpus> nope
410 2012-04-30 17:46:29 <gavinandresen> Ok: * [new tag]         v0.6.1rc2 -> v0.6.1rc2
411 2012-04-30 17:49:46 <Diablo-D3> erm
412 2012-04-30 17:49:48 <Diablo-D3> you replaced a tag?
413 2012-04-30 17:49:50 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: genjix opened pull request 34 on bitcoin/bitcoin.org <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/pull/34>
414 2012-04-30 17:49:52 <Diablo-D3> I wish people wouldnt do that
415 2012-04-30 17:53:14 <gjs278> isnt the point of the tagging to make one for every version
416 2012-04-30 17:53:40 <Diablo-D3> yeah
417 2012-04-30 17:53:41 <gavinandresen> yes, 0.6.1rc2 is a brand new tag
418 2012-04-30 17:53:57 <Diablo-D3> gavinandresen: that looks like you replaced an existing one
419 2012-04-30 17:54:28 <gavinandresen> the arrow means "push it up to github from my local tree" I think.  Anyway, complain to the git folks.....
420 2012-04-30 17:54:46 <wumpus> yes, it simply means it was uploaded
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422 2012-04-30 17:57:03 <gavinandresen> sipa gmaxwell wumpus luke-jr : I'm gitian building 0.6.1rc2
423 2012-04-30 17:57:41 <wumpus> ok, I'll start a gitian build too
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428 2012-04-30 18:02:59 <sipa> gavinandresen: ok, building
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432 2012-04-30 18:10:51 <jgarzik> replacing git tags is just fine
433 2012-04-30 18:11:29 <jgarzik> I submit '$URL tag/upstream-linus' to Linus, every time kernel changes are pushed upstream.  (note tag name is static, thus implying replacement)
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437 2012-04-30 18:19:13 <gavinandresen> the rc1 gitian build got confused because I replaced the rc1 tag (to fix the windows build....)
438 2012-04-30 18:19:32 <gavinandresen> ... haven't had time to figure out why yet
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440 2012-04-30 18:22:29 <genjix> jgarzik: how do you replace tags? simply rewrite the history using git push foo +branch?
441 2012-04-30 18:29:54 <wumpus> isn't it that git has two types of tags, one can be easily replaced the other is wired into git history?
442 2012-04-30 18:32:27 <t7> im so fucking mad they are blocking the pirate bay
443 2012-04-30 18:32:44 <t7> i allready pay money to the pirate party but its not enough
444 2012-04-30 18:32:54 <t7> i need to do something proactive
445 2012-04-30 18:33:00 <guruvan> where are they blocking it?
446 2012-04-30 18:33:03 <t7> UK
447 2012-04-30 18:33:08 <t7> first pirate bay
448 2012-04-30 18:33:16 <t7> then everything else
449 2012-04-30 18:33:18 <guruvan> how 'bout using tor?
450 2012-04-30 18:33:21 <t7> time for riots
451 2012-04-30 18:33:34 <guruvan> burn the villages!
452 2012-04-30 18:33:46 <t7> its only a matter of time before hiding your traffic is illegal too
453 2012-04-30 18:34:29 <wumpus> it's only a matter of time before breathing is illegal too
454 2012-04-30 18:34:48 <t7> nah you cant make money for them while your dead
455 2012-04-30 18:35:21 <wumpus> you can, if the machines do all the work :-)
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457 2012-04-30 18:36:11 <genjix> t7: wait what
458 2012-04-30 18:36:26 <genjix> link?
459 2012-04-30 18:36:33 <t7> bbc top news story
460 2012-04-30 18:37:24 <genjix> it's true D:
461 2012-04-30 18:37:38 <genjix> fuck this shit country. i'm leaving right now.
462 2012-04-30 18:37:42 <wumpus> a judge decided that some isps here in the netherlands should block the pirate bay too, seems to be hip these days
463 2012-04-30 18:38:05 <jgarzik> genjix: tags are simply stored data, easy to overwrite
464 2012-04-30 18:38:19 <jgarzik> genjix: in C/C++ parlance, they are pointers to data, separate from the data itself
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466 2012-04-30 18:38:55 <genjix> yep i see. but what is the syntax? is it the same as for rewriting the remote?  git push --tags origin +master
467 2012-04-30 18:39:40 <jgarzik> genjix: the local syntax is the same.  'git push' _might_ require a "--force", as when overwriting a branch, but I don't think so
468 2012-04-30 18:39:40 <wumpus> seems I was confused with hg, which does embed the tags into history (and needs a full rewrite to change or remove them)
469 2012-04-30 18:39:53 <genjix> ok thanks
470 2012-04-30 18:40:08 <jgarzik> (my Linux push script always does "--force" for other reasons, so I wouldn't know personally whether it is needed to overwrite tags or not)
471 2012-04-30 18:40:23 <wumpus> ...dangerous
472 2012-04-30 18:40:47 <jgarzik> years of field experience says otherwise :)
473 2012-04-30 18:40:59 <wumpus> what if someone else pushed too?
474 2012-04-30 18:41:16 <jgarzik> wumpus: nobody but me pushes into my repos
475 2012-04-30 18:41:31 <wumpus> right, it's a personal repo, then it doesn't matter
476 2012-04-30 18:41:39 <genjix> what about if you rebase your local history, push and someone else tries to pull
477 2012-04-30 18:41:53 <wumpus> worlds of pain
478 2012-04-30 18:42:16 <wumpus> they get both versions of history merged together
479 2012-04-30 18:42:25 <wumpus> unless they pull with --rebase ofcourse
480 2012-04-30 18:42:37 <jgarzik> Linus would tell you that rebasing is evil
481 2012-04-30 18:42:44 <genjix> well the person pulling would get a messed up tree
482 2012-04-30 18:43:25 <wumpus> rebasing is evil if it's already made available to other people
483 2012-04-30 18:43:26 <genjix> linus is an iiidiot. i know git better than him! :9
484 2012-04-30 18:44:03 <jgarzik> hehe
485 2012-04-30 18:44:25 <jgarzik> multi-push to same repo, like we do with bitcoin/bitcoin.git, is also uncommon
486 2012-04-30 18:44:43 <wumpus> on github it's pretty common
487 2012-04-30 18:44:45 <jgarzik> usually you have people with their own repos, sending pull requests to a single pulling entity
488 2012-04-30 18:46:35 <genjix> well bitcoin is quite small. i imagine that if it got larger, then the same may happen.
489 2012-04-30 18:46:42 <TuxBlackEdo> 1tx miner is back?
490 2012-04-30 18:47:04 <wumpus> generally we do use pull requests, only some small/urgent commits are direct pushes
491 2012-04-30 18:47:48 <genjix> yeah ok
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493 2012-04-30 19:02:00 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: jgarzik opened pull request 1170 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1170>
494 2012-04-30 19:10:11 <jgarzik> yes, bitcoin devel typically involves a single pulling entity (github.com) servicing pull requests
495 2012-04-30 19:10:24 <jgarzik> multi-[direct-]push is rare for bitcoin
496 2012-04-30 19:10:30 <Diablo-D3> http://www.spacex.com/webcast.php
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498 2012-04-30 19:10:34 <Diablo-D3> live fire soon
499 2012-04-30 19:15:30 <genjix> no way
500 2012-04-30 19:15:37 <genjix> i love space
501 2012-04-30 19:16:33 <gmaxwell> I'm the best at space.
502 2012-04-30 19:18:10 <genjix> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZ5sWfhkpE0
503 2012-04-30 19:19:03 <genjix> i would leave for mars right now if it meant i was only alive on the martian surface for 1 minute. there's something magical about humans walking on another planetary world.
504 2012-04-30 19:19:05 <jgarzik> Diablo-D3: still waiting...
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506 2012-04-30 19:19:44 <jgarzik> genjix: I just started Dunvegan Space Systems, to build Mars hardware that mines water ice and/or cooks regolith bricks in situ.  Maybe we can fund devel with bitcoins...
507 2012-04-30 19:19:46 <jgarzik> :)
508 2012-04-30 19:20:19 <Diablo-D3> you know how this shit works
509 2012-04-30 19:20:22 <Diablo-D3> might take a bit longer
510 2012-04-30 19:20:27 <Diablo-D3> built in delays, etc
511 2012-04-30 19:20:53 <gmaxwell> genjix: you might enjoy this piece of fiction, The Martin at http://www.galactanet.com/writing.html  I think it's pretty good...
512 2012-04-30 19:21:18 <jgarzik> we need a kickstart.com for bitcoins, speaking of
513 2012-04-30 19:21:24 <genjix> tyty gmaxwell
514 2012-04-30 19:21:53 <genjix> jgarzik: someone made that a while back but i think it wasn't successful because kickstarter has that critical mass which bitcoin doesn't
515 2012-04-30 19:22:07 <genjix> and for kickstarter it's worth paying that fee to get that network effect.
516 2012-04-30 19:22:37 <genjix> but like these girls on reddit, they could never do that with paypal (get shutdown) so i guess bitcoin will grow in these areas first.
517 2012-04-30 19:22:37 <Diablo-D3> jgarzik: hehm I said the same thing yesterday
518 2012-04-30 19:22:40 <Diablo-D3> and its kickstarter
519 2012-04-30 19:22:50 <Diablo-D3> like, I basically need to kickstarter DMC
520 2012-04-30 19:22:54 <Diablo-D3> but theres no way to do that
521 2012-04-30 19:22:59 <Diablo-D3> so its going to be the forveer IPO
522 2012-04-30 19:24:08 <jgarzik> yep
523 2012-04-30 19:24:39 <Diablo-D3> jgarzik: btw, did you vote in the poll?
524 2012-04-30 19:25:11 <jgarzik> yep
525 2012-04-30 19:25:22 <Diablo-D3> may 2nd is coming
526 2012-04-30 19:25:31 <Diablo-D3> I hope the vote is more than like 3 people syaing yes =/
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531 2012-04-30 19:42:24 <genjix> gmaxwell: the mission they describe is Mars Direct by Robert Zubrin
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533 2012-04-30 19:43:39 <jgarzik> genjix: I asked SpaceX about Mars...  they emailed back that Zubrin thinks he can get it done with three Falcon Heavy missions.
534 2012-04-30 19:43:52 <jgarzik> one Falcon Heavy can lift 10 tons to Mars, they told me.
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536 2012-04-30 19:44:05 <gmaxwell> genjix: I was very pleased by the detailed treatment of the many engineering challenges the character faces.
537 2012-04-30 19:44:12 <Diablo-D3> jgarzik: sigh
538 2012-04-30 19:44:19 <Diablo-D3> maybe DMC should be a fucking real mining company
539 2012-04-30 19:44:35 <Diablo-D3> the Diablo Asteroid Mining Company
540 2012-04-30 19:44:50 <jgarzik> Diablo-D3: I would invest :)
541 2012-04-30 19:44:53 <genjix> jgarzik: that's strange because zubrin went to nasa and they said his estimates were too unrealistic. they added more weight and stronger boosters and it became the nasa design reference mission for mars
542 2012-04-30 19:45:15 <Diablo-D3> jgarzik: yeah but invest how much
543 2012-04-30 19:45:30 <Diablo-D3> people are still like WAAAH DIABLO WONT EVER RAISE 1M BTC
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545 2012-04-30 19:45:52 <Diablo-D3> which pisses me off so goddamnedmuch
546 2012-04-30 19:46:01 <genjix> Diablo-D3: fund this http://www.ironicsans.com/2011/01/idea_crowdfund_a_mission_to_pu.html
547 2012-04-30 19:46:07 <Diablo-D3> if the bitcoin community cant put 1m btc in my hands
548 2012-04-30 19:46:12 <Diablo-D3> why the fuck am I even bothering
549 2012-04-30 19:46:18 <jgarzik> Diablo-D3: I can put serious money behind a serious space effort :)  why do you think I started DunveganSpace.com after all.  Well, 5 figures.  Serious money for me, pocket change compared to cost of rocket launch.
550 2012-04-30 19:46:24 <Diablo-D3> its like Ive wasted 2 years of my life trying to get this goddamned thing uoff the ground
551 2012-04-30 19:46:55 <genjix> jgarzik: wow i was about to ask :D
552 2012-04-30 19:46:56 <jgarzik> genjix: if you can crowd-fund the launch, raising funds for spacecraft is trivial IMO
553 2012-04-30 19:47:02 <genjix> it really was you :)
554 2012-04-30 19:47:11 <genjix> that's so sick
555 2012-04-30 19:47:37 <Diablo-D3> jgarzik: 5 figures of bitcoins?
556 2012-04-30 19:47:45 <Diablo-D3> jgarzik: because you've obviously read my plan, right?
557 2012-04-30 19:47:54 <genjix> http://www.dunveganspace.com/
558 2012-04-30 19:48:04 <jgarzik> Diablo-D3: 5 figures in USD
559 2012-04-30 19:48:10 <jgarzik> Diablo-D3: or equivalent BTC
560 2012-04-30 19:48:15 <jgarzik> genjix: yep
561 2012-04-30 19:48:24 <Diablo-D3> jgarzik: because if I start making like a million dollars a year
562 2012-04-30 19:48:32 <Diablo-D3> that can eventually pay for asteroid mining
563 2012-04-30 19:48:35 <Diablo-D3> or a perm mars colony
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565 2012-04-30 19:48:56 <Diablo-D3> because making a million dollars a year quickly becomes making 10 a  year, then making 100 a year
566 2012-04-30 19:48:56 <jgarzik> Diablo-D3: $1m is pocket change still.  $128m for a single launch...
567 2012-04-30 19:49:02 <Diablo-D3> jgarzik: see above.
568 2012-04-30 19:49:20 <Diablo-D3> I could _fail_ a launch once a year
569 2012-04-30 19:49:23 <Diablo-D3> and still be on top
570 2012-04-30 19:49:38 <Diablo-D3> jgarzik: because, to be honest, I want to control the US energy market
571 2012-04-30 19:49:43 <Diablo-D3> I mean, I might as well just say it
572 2012-04-30 19:49:44 <jgarzik> Diablo-D3: and if wishes were bitcoins, I would have 1M BTC already
573 2012-04-30 19:49:49 <Diablo-D3> people think Im insane already
574 2012-04-30 19:50:00 <Diablo-D3> might as well give everyone their full dose of diablo.
575 2012-04-30 19:51:08 <jgarzik> genjix: due to annoying "export controls", I might need a security clearance, register as a US federal contractor (which pulls in many other regulations), and other fun stuff...
576 2012-04-30 19:51:09 <genjix> well that won't happen spamming irc and identi.ca
577 2012-04-30 19:51:41 <jgarzik> genjix: ...so if you see me give up bitcoin commit privs and take a lower bitcoin profile, you know what happened :)
578 2012-04-30 19:51:46 <genjix> jgarzik: i love your efforts
579 2012-04-30 19:51:51 <genjix> this is super cool.
580 2012-04-30 19:52:30 <jgarzik> genjix: the commercial space race is _now_.  time to get on board...
581 2012-04-30 19:52:33 <genjix> our world is incredible.
582 2012-04-30 19:52:49 <genjix> 3 biggest aspirations for humanity: space, energy and internet
583 2012-04-30 19:53:00 <Diablo-D3> genjix: no, 4
584 2012-04-30 19:53:04 <Diablo-D3> all women want to ride my dick
585 2012-04-30 19:53:11 <Diablo-D3> and all men wish they had a dick this big
586 2012-04-30 19:53:45 <genjix> my dick is small
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590 2012-04-30 19:57:53 <genjix> "If you watch NASA backwards, it's about a space agency that has no spaceflight capability, then performs low-orbital spaceflights, then goes to the moon." :D
591 2012-04-30 19:58:14 * Diablo-D3 hits genjix 
592 2012-04-30 19:58:22 <paulo_> lol
593 2012-04-30 19:59:13 <jgarzik> genjix: If one can mine water ice for liquid oxygen and hydrogen, definitely realistic and easily accomplished with electrolysis, then you have a fuel source.  With Mars gravity and atmosphere, it burns much less fuel to get a spacecraft into orbit than from Earth.  Now ponder adding a fleet of tiny gas tanks in orbit (you don't want one big gas station in orbit), essentially a massively distributed and redundant gas station
594 2012-04-30 19:59:17 <jgarzik> genjix: heh
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596 2012-04-30 19:59:44 <Diablo-D3> gascoin.
597 2012-04-30 19:59:46 <Diablo-D3> bitgas.
598 2012-04-30 19:59:51 <Diablo-D3> something that makes this funny.
599 2012-04-30 19:59:55 <jgarzik> Diablo-D3: reserve your Internet domains now!
600 2012-04-30 20:00:04 <jgarzik> Diablo-D3: "eat here, get gas"
601 2012-04-30 20:00:15 * Diablo-D3 registers ALL the .mars domains
602 2012-04-30 20:01:24 <jgarzik> genjix: there is also a serious business case for simply planting a flag.  That follows the US model of 1800's homesteading, and creates private property rights.  Once you "own" property on Mars, you have a whole new market that can fund space launches to develop said property.
603 2012-04-30 20:01:50 <Diablo-D3> countdown sequences resumed!
604 2012-04-30 20:02:03 <Diablo-D3> minus 15 minutes and not going fast enough!
605 2012-04-30 20:02:18 <genjix> jgarzik: some mars propaganda: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd4yVwK1NkA
606 2012-04-30 20:02:27 <t7> how much area does one own around said flag?
607 2012-04-30 20:02:31 <jgarzik> genjix: A Rebuttal To Jim Dunstan On Space Property Rights - http://www.transterrestrial.com/?p=41935
608 2012-04-30 20:02:31 <Diablo-D3> jgarzik: man, I should just launch the fucking company
609 2012-04-30 20:02:36 <Diablo-D3> and be like
610 2012-04-30 20:02:37 <jgarzik> Diablo-D3: yes, you should :)
611 2012-04-30 20:02:40 <Diablo-D3> DEAR BITCOIN COMMUNITY
612 2012-04-30 20:02:46 <Diablo-D3> JUST GIVE ME ALL YOUR FUCKING BITCOINS
613 2012-04-30 20:02:47 <genjix> t7: well in europe you can squat houses and they become yours
614 2012-04-30 20:02:48 <Diablo-D3> SIGNED
615 2012-04-30 20:02:53 <genjix> technically the queen is a squatter
616 2012-04-30 20:02:54 <Diablo-D3> SOMEONE WITH BIGGER BALLS THAN ALL OF YOU COMBINED
617 2012-04-30 20:03:02 <t7> genjix: i know, squatters rights... :|
618 2012-04-30 20:03:07 <jgarzik> t7: one would use international guidelines presumably.  e.g. the US owns 3 miles of ocean
619 2012-04-30 20:03:08 <genjix> yeah :)
620 2012-04-30 20:03:27 <Diablo-D3> jgarzik: because all I want to do
621 2012-04-30 20:03:32 <Diablo-D3> is make my 2 years of effort
622 2012-04-30 20:03:35 <Diablo-D3> worth it
623 2012-04-30 20:03:38 <Diablo-D3> so I can just stand up and say
624 2012-04-30 20:03:58 <Diablo-D3> SEE HOW AFRICA STOPPED STARVING TO DEATH AND BECAME AN ECONOMIC PARADISE? I DID THAT WHILE NONE OF YOU COULDNT
625 2012-04-30 20:04:12 <Diablo-D3> and do some fucking end zone dance while accepting the nobel peace prize for the next decade
626 2012-04-30 20:04:22 <jgarzik> You use Caps Lock while talking?  Impressive :)
627 2012-04-30 20:04:29 <Diablo-D3> infact, they'll quit handing them out because no one can top me
628 2012-04-30 20:04:49 <Diablo-D3> you will look up humanitarian in the fucking dictionary and see me mooning you
629 2012-04-30 20:04:58 <Diablo-D3> thats right, a mass publication of my ass
630 2012-04-30 20:05:01 <t7> africans still live in mud huts, dont they?
631 2012-04-30 20:05:09 <jgarzik> I didn't think humanitarians were permitted to curse
632 2012-04-30 20:05:23 <Diablo-D3> maybe people wouldnt be starving to death if they did
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634 2012-04-30 20:05:29 <genjix> jgarzik: iirc some guy tried to claim an asteroid off mars
635 2012-04-30 20:05:33 <Diablo-D3> fuck the rules, people like me get shit done
636 2012-04-30 20:05:46 <jgarzik> genjix: that will get nowhere without a physical presence
637 2012-04-30 20:05:47 <genjix> he want to court over it and the judge insta threw it out and denied further appeal
638 2012-04-30 20:05:50 <genjix> aha ic
639 2012-04-30 20:06:03 <Diablo-D3> I dunno.
640 2012-04-30 20:06:12 <Diablo-D3> jgarzik: do you think DMC will manage to do it?
641 2012-04-30 20:06:31 <jgarzik> Diablo-D3: no :)
642 2012-04-30 20:07:03 <Diablo-D3> what? my balls are studied by scientists due to their shear mass.
643 2012-04-30 20:07:25 <jgarzik> Diablo-D3: that's because they are full of cancern
644 2012-04-30 20:07:27 <jgarzik> Diablo-D3: that's because they are full of cancer
645 2012-04-30 20:07:29 * jgarzik runs
646 2012-04-30 20:07:38 <Diablo-D3> nope, just baby batter.
647 2012-04-30 20:07:49 <gjs278> mining asteroids values your company at 3 billion dollars. facebook is valued at 100 billion dollars.
648 2012-04-30 20:07:59 <Diablo-D3> gjs278: 3 trillion
649 2012-04-30 20:08:18 <Diablo-D3> one nicely loaded asteroid is worth almost as much as the federal fucking budget.
650 2012-04-30 20:09:18 <Diablo-D3> 8 minutes till test fire
651 2012-04-30 20:11:10 <Diablo-D3> 6
652 2012-04-30 20:12:09 <Diablo-D3> 5
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654 2012-04-30 20:13:04 <Diablo-D3> 4
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657 2012-04-30 20:15:09 <Diablo-D3> 2
658 2012-04-30 20:16:08 <Diablo-D3> 1
659 2012-04-30 20:16:21 <Diablo-D3> 50
660 2012-04-30 20:16:28 <Diablo-D3> 40
661 2012-04-30 20:16:38 <Diablo-D3> 30
662 2012-04-30 20:16:45 <t7> ?
663 2012-04-30 20:16:46 <helo>      Error! Launch aborted due to error.
664 2012-04-30 20:17:00 <Diablo-D3> 10
665 2012-04-30 20:17:49 <Diablo-D3> did it fire correctly?
666 2012-04-30 20:18:19 <BlueMatt> its kinda disturbing when you find out that several local drug dealers are simply sourcing from silk road...
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670 2012-04-30 20:20:19 <gjs278> what launched
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677 2012-04-30 20:27:21 <Diablo-D3> gjs278: nothing
678 2012-04-30 20:27:31 <Diablo-D3> it was a space x test fire
679 2012-04-30 20:27:38 <Diablo-D3> it fired successfully from what I can tell
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682 2012-04-30 20:32:04 <etotheipi_> genjix: how long of a description are you looking for?
683 2012-04-30 20:32:19 <gavinandresen> wumpus: gitian build successful?  I pushed my build's gitian sigs
684 2012-04-30 20:32:49 <genjix> etotheipi_: make one that can fit the vertical layout (since that's looking more likely) but can be shortened to the grid layout if neccessary: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=78640.0
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686 2012-04-30 20:38:27 <dusty__> hi, I'm trying to validate this testnet transaction: http://blockexplorer.com/testnet/tx/a17b21f52859ed326d1395d8a56d5c7389f5fc83c17b9140a71d7cb86fdf0f5f#i584828
687 2012-04-30 20:38:37 <dusty__> but the engine I'm using fails
688 2012-04-30 20:38:46 <dusty__> so I'm trying to understand but I'm a bit stuck
689 2012-04-30 20:39:18 <dusty__> can any1 confirm me that op_verify exits the scripts if false is on the top of the stack?
690 2012-04-30 20:39:56 <dusty__> I've tried to check libbitcoin but op_verify is not defined nor implemented in script.{ch}pp
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693 2012-04-30 20:48:48 <gavinandresen> dusty__: the Satoshi script code is pretty easy to read:  https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/script.cpp#L360
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695 2012-04-30 20:52:34 <dusty__> thanks gavin for the link, I didn't think to check it (my C/C++ skills are very noobs)
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705 2012-04-30 21:16:54 <paulo_> why use a custom microcode?
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708 2012-04-30 21:17:58 <gmaxwell> paulo_: because its very important that the computation be strictly bounded in time and memory because all nodes must execute it.
709 2012-04-30 21:19:25 <gmaxwell> (and it's also desirable that the bounded complexity be linear in data size, so that you can measure the complexity without executing it, and also assess complexiy related fees simply)
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713 2012-04-30 21:23:05 <paulo_> gmaxwell: why not just list the inputs, output, and signatures?
714 2012-04-30 21:24:05 <paulo_> as far as my undestanding goes, I see it as an overcomplication.
715 2012-04-30 21:24:11 <gmaxwell> Because bitcoin is much more powerful than that— if thats all it had then part of the decenteralized value of bitcoin would be degraded by two forces
716 2012-04-30 21:24:47 <gmaxwell> (1) because the need to constantly rev the software in backwards incompatible ways would leave people dependant on a single source of software for the long term
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718 2012-04-30 21:25:42 <gmaxwell> (2) because without script it's impossible to provide just about any service without depending on a single fully trusted party.
719 2012-04-30 21:25:42 <genjix> dusty__: check op_checksig
720 2012-04-30 21:26:00 <BlueMatt> god, Ive missed bitcoin...
721 2012-04-30 21:26:13 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: where have you been?
722 2012-04-30 21:26:15 <genjix> oh
723 2012-04-30 21:26:20 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: working, mostly
724 2012-04-30 21:26:39 <genjix> dusty__: yeah it exits if false
725 2012-04-30 21:26:46 <genjix> continues if true
726 2012-04-30 21:28:04 <gmaxwell> paulo_: With script we can make fully backwards compatible protocol additions— all the old nodes keep on running and knowing that the chain is trustworthy.  .. and we can create things like escrows which allow quorum trust, and things like hash locked transactions which facilitate oracle mediated transactions, zero knoweldge proofs, and other things.
727 2012-04-30 21:28:41 <gmaxwell> paulo_: so its a fairly 'mild' complication compared to both the space of additional things it enables and the essential foward compatiblity it makes possible.
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739 2012-04-30 21:51:22 <paulo_> so what you actually sign is the script, and the script must return true?
740 2012-04-30 21:56:41 <genjix> jgarzik: you do know that libbitcoin is BIP 16 compliant and handles reorgs fine (see my python unit tests: http://gitorious.org/libbitcoin/python-bitcoin )
741 2012-04-30 21:56:52 <genjix> and that electrum uses that as a backend, and that armory uses bitcoind
742 2012-04-30 21:57:28 <genjix> so that comment is a little bit FUD :)
743 2012-04-30 21:58:27 <[Tycho]> Wow, someone tried to request payments from deepbit to P2SH :)
744 2012-04-30 21:58:28 <[Tycho]> Twice.
745 2012-04-30 21:59:28 <BlueMatt> so why didnt you accept them?
746 2012-04-30 22:00:36 <BlueMatt> on that note, are there any sites which actively accept p2sh payout addresses, or is that becoming common(ish)
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748 2012-04-30 22:06:03 <etotheipi_> genjix, what is the libbitcoin license?  and how mature is the networking aspect:  i.e. peer discovery, and the various extent to which bitcoind validates blocks, maintains peer diversity and cutoff?
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752 2012-04-30 22:14:05 <jgarzik> genjix: no, it's prudence
753 2012-04-30 22:14:22 <jgarzik> genjix: just respond "yes, these clients can do those things" and then it is public knowledge, and everyone is happy
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755 2012-04-30 22:14:42 <etotheipi_> what do we mean by BIP 16 support?  You can create them?  or you just don't choke on BIP 16 scripts when they show up in the blockchain?
756 2012-04-30 22:15:00 <jgarzik> etotheipi_: proper validation, not the decreased validation that old clients perform
757 2012-04-30 22:15:23 <etotheipi_> duh, that makes sense
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759 2012-04-30 22:15:51 <etotheipi_> except, should full-validation be a requirement of alternative clients?
760 2012-04-30 22:15:52 <[Tycho]> BlueMatt: one was paid successfully, one was invalid.
761 2012-04-30 22:16:03 <paulo_> in standard transactions, OP_CHECKSIG's inputs are the signature and public key of the sender, am I right?
762 2012-04-30 22:16:07 <jgarzik> etotheipi_: since we actually have P2SH transactions on mainnet already... yes IMO
763 2012-04-30 22:16:13 <[Tycho]> By the way, my bitcoind always fails validateaddress for P2SH.
764 2012-04-30 22:16:22 <BlueMatt> [Tycho]: oh, you do pay out to p2sh...nice!
765 2012-04-30 22:16:33 <[Tycho]> BlueMatt: yes, it works.
766 2012-04-30 22:16:37 <jgarzik> etotheipi_: otherwise, people running an alt client may not be able to accept newer P2SH payments
767 2012-04-30 22:16:44 <etotheipi_> jgarzik: I mean... what if a client doesn't validate any blocks:  a lite-client that relies on depth in the blockchain ?
768 2012-04-30 22:16:47 <[Tycho]> Not sure if someone can redeem it :)
769 2012-04-30 22:16:51 <jgarzik> etotheipi_: we should not point people to clients that do not support all transactions on mainnet
770 2012-04-30 22:16:59 <BlueMatt> [Tycho]: well...thats p2sh for you...
771 2012-04-30 22:17:06 <[Tycho]> But I tried manually redeeming P2SH on my test setup.
772 2012-04-30 22:17:14 <jgarzik> etotheipi_: that's fine, as long as redeeming P2SH works
773 2012-04-30 22:17:27 <etotheipi_> jgarzik: but that's a really fuzzy metric
774 2012-04-30 22:17:57 <jgarzik> etotheipi_: it's not fuzzy to users who may have a P2SH payment waiting :)
775 2012-04-30 22:18:51 <etotheipi_> so the client must be able to maintain P2SH script pool and identify P2SH scripts relevant to them in the blockchain?  and then the client must also know how to redeem them?
776 2012-04-30 22:19:05 <jgarzik> etotheipi_: if the client does not validate regular blocks, it makes sense that it would not validate P2SH blocks.  HOWEVER...  it should not be listed on bitcoin.org as a bitcoin client if said client cannot redeem all types of transactions found on mainnet
777 2012-04-30 22:19:26 <jgarzik> etotheipi_: the short version -- P2SH transactions work just as well as old-style transactions
778 2012-04-30 22:20:06 <etotheipi_> does Bitcoin-Qt even do that?  Is there a way to do it atm without the user manually constructing transactions from collected sigs?
779 2012-04-30 22:20:21 <jgarzik> we don't need users confused about "Bob paid me BTC.  Which client do I need to redeem the payment?"
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782 2012-04-30 22:20:46 <jgarzik> etotheipi_: you can receive P2SH payments
783 2012-04-30 22:20:57 <etotheipi_> I think it's a little early to be demanding anything other than don't-choke-on-P2SH scripts... they're still a very advanced-user feature and such users would know what it takes to use them
784 2012-04-30 22:21:34 <[Tycho]> jgarzik: I can assume that if she provided her address to Bob, her client can redeem it (as it generated the address)
785 2012-04-30 22:21:36 <etotheipi_> or are we talking about simply single-address P2SH?
786 2012-04-30 22:21:52 <paulo_> satoshi is a genius, btw.
787 2012-04-30 22:21:56 <etotheipi_> I have been talking about arbitrary multi-sig
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789 2012-04-30 22:23:39 <etotheipi_> so the client must be able to identify non-multi-sig P2SH scripts and be able to redeem them?
790 2012-04-30 22:24:09 <jgarzik> yes
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792 2012-04-30 22:24:24 <etotheipi_> so was multi-sig ever part of your argument?
793 2012-04-30 22:24:51 <genjix> etotheipi_: you can send bip16 and they validate properly
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795 2012-04-30 22:24:58 <genjix> and networking works well
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799 2012-04-30 22:25:21 <genjix> peer diversity is not complex. just connect to hosts and maintain x connections
800 2012-04-30 22:25:25 <genjix> it uses bootstrap nodes
801 2012-04-30 22:25:38 <genjix> bip16 and p2sh is supported
802 2012-04-30 22:26:30 <genjix> http://gitorious.org/libbitcoin/libbitcoin/blobs/master/include/bitcoin/address.hpp
803 2012-04-30 22:26:59 <paulo_> I'm confused. The pubkey is being duplicated, hashed, then compared against the hash of the receiving address. but the pubkey (the one before duplication) is also used to verify if the signature is correct, which implies that it must be the public key of the sender.
804 2012-04-30 22:27:24 <genjix> the only issue is that it doesnt compile with gcc 4.7 yet because of a bug in that unstable compiler (which arch has as default). i need to sit down one day with gcc 4.7 and fix that.
805 2012-04-30 22:28:15 <gavinandresen> paulo_ : see https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/OP_CHECKSIG
806 2012-04-30 22:28:41 <etotheipi_> so then we have moved non-multi-sig P2SH to isStandard()? Is it encouraged to switch all single-recip tx to P2SH?
807 2012-04-30 22:29:00 <etotheipi_> err... I guess you can't really identify if it's non-multi-sig
808 2012-04-30 22:29:28 <gavinandresen> etotheipi_: not until redemption, no.  And the standard client still uses DUP HASH160.... for single-sig transactions.
809 2012-04-30 22:29:51 <gavinandresen> It'll continue to use DUP HASH160... for a long time, to support old clients....
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811 2012-04-30 22:30:24 <etotheipi_> so, we need a long period of supporting both before the default would be switched
812 2012-04-30 22:30:45 <gavinandresen> yup
813 2012-04-30 22:30:59 <etotheipi_> and also, I would be best NOT to use single-recip P2SH if I want users with pre-0.6.0 clients to see the tx
814 2012-04-30 22:31:06 <gavinandresen> yup
815 2012-04-30 22:31:09 <etotheipi_> gotcha
816 2012-04-30 22:31:11 <BlueMatt> whats new in bitcoin in the last...3 months?
817 2012-04-30 22:31:14 <etotheipi_> thanks
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819 2012-04-30 22:32:32 <luke-jr> etotheipi_: note 0.4.5 and 0.5.4 support P2SH
820 2012-04-30 22:32:42 <luke-jr> verification anyhow
821 2012-04-30 22:33:28 <luke-jr> and ones without wallet support can't generate P2SH addresses in the first place
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845 2012-04-30 23:15:45 <zzzzzzzzzzzzzz> Hi, I've been trying to compile 0.6.0 but my build keeps failing: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=0tNC0iYB
846 2012-04-30 23:16:12 <zzzzzzzzzzzzzz> Looks like an error with openssl headers not being loaded properly but I don't know... I reinstalled the headers twice just to make sure
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848 2012-04-30 23:20:31 <luke-jr> zzzzzzzzzzzzzz: looks like you're using something lame like Fedora
849 2012-04-30 23:21:31 <luke-jr> I think gmaxwell has EC-enabled OpenSSL bins for Fedora somewhere, but I lost the link
850 2012-04-30 23:23:38 <zzzzzzzzzzzzzz> I am using centos. I know certain versions of fedora/otherdistros remove certain bits of openssl, but I am not using my distro's version of openssl
851 2012-04-30 23:23:51 <luke-jr> well, that's what it looks like here.
852 2012-04-30 23:24:13 <zzzzzzzzzzzzzz> lame. thanks though, I will search for those binaries
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855 2012-04-30 23:26:00 <luke-jr> zzzzzzzzzzzzzz: strictly speaking, it's a header you're missing
856 2012-04-30 23:26:50 <zzzzzzzzzzzzzz> ecdsa related?
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859 2012-04-30 23:29:12 <luke-jr> yes
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861 2012-04-30 23:30:05 <zzzzzzzzzzzzzz> should I be okay if I just paste it in from an outside source? I found a copy of ecdsa.h in a filezilla repo...
862 2012-04-30 23:30:30 <luke-jr> unlikely
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866 2012-04-30 23:35:27 <zzzzzzzzzzzzzz> odd, I see ecdsa.h in the source that I've been compiling
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868 2012-04-30 23:40:50 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: nothing much...
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870 2012-04-30 23:48:25 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: thats...exciting
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873 2012-04-30 23:54:09 <freewil> can someone tell me what is contained in database/log.0000000001
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876 2012-04-30 23:58:20 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: We've been waiting for you to return and implement something exciting!  :)
877 2012-04-30 23:58:47 * jgarzik is reminded to update his DNS seed to be non-static
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879 2012-04-30 23:58:59 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: Diapolo opened pull request 1171 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1171>
880 2012-04-30 23:59:11 * BlueMatt is reminded to update his dns seed to something more sane (ie sipa's code)
881 2012-04-30 23:59:14 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: heh...