1 2012-05-04 00:00:10 <gmaxwell> the seller would tell his client that he wants to redeem that address and where he wants it paid to.  And then it would give him some long address like code back which he would give to you, and you would give it to your client along with where it should be paid to.. and then assuming you both agreed on where it should pay to you'd broadcast it and its done.
  2 2012-05-04 00:00:32 <gmaxwell> KDuck: to you— but one issue is what if you're a lazy bum. You've gotten your goods, and now you're not responding to his emails anymore.
  3 2012-05-04 00:00:44 <gmaxwell> In any case, it works the same with 2of3.
  4 2012-05-04 00:00:58 <gmaxwell> or will work, rather, the current codebase doesn't include the redeem functionality.
  5 2012-05-04 00:01:11 <KDuck> kinda crucial xD
  6 2012-05-04 00:01:12 <sipa> gmaxwell: seems i can't connect to you
  7 2012-05-04 00:01:31 <gmaxwell> sipa: this is a new hidden service ... sometimes they don't work right away.
  8 2012-05-04 00:01:36 <KDuck> really important bitcoin feature imho, hope it will be available soon. great job guys :)
  9 2012-05-04 00:01:37 <gmaxwell> sipa: but it shouldn't matter…
 10 2012-05-04 00:02:15 <gmaxwell> KDuck: yea, well, people can't safely use it until 0.6 is widely enough deployed... so we didn't plan on completing it right away.
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 12 2012-05-04 00:03:05 <sipa> gmaxwell: in this case, it should certainly report its onion address, as it *knows* it is connecting to another onion node, it should give priority to local onion addresses no matter what
 13 2012-05-04 00:03:18 <sipa> so if it doesn't, there's a bug in my code :)
 14 2012-05-04 00:03:27 <gmaxwell> sipa: there is a bug in your code..
 15 2012-05-04 00:03:31 <sipa> thx
 16 2012-05-04 00:03:50 <gmaxwell> oh darnit.. connect implies nolisten.
 17 2012-05-04 00:04:02 <sipa> ha, that explains
 18 2012-05-04 00:04:13 <sipa> and nolisten implies no addrMe reported
 19 2012-05-04 00:04:43 <gmaxwell> and now it works, sorry— the bug was in me.
 20 2012-05-04 00:04:53 <sipa> actually, just being behind tor is enough to trigger -nolisten
 21 2012-05-04 00:05:24 <gmaxwell> ah, yea, now we get confusing rules... shall it turn listen back on if you've given it an onion address? but only listen to localhost? ugh.
 22 2012-05-04 00:05:50 <gmaxwell> If not, we should at least make it cry: "Warning: externalip set but nolisten!"
 23 2012-05-04 00:06:12 <sipa> there's no externalip => listen rule
 24 2012-05-04 00:06:22 <sipa> and i suppose that adding one can become too confusing
 25 2012-05-04 00:06:30 <sipa> but making it cry should help
 26 2012-05-04 00:06:42 <sipa> what command line did you use now?
 27 2012-05-04 00:06:47 <sipa> receive version message: version 60001, blocks=178491, us=0.0.0.0:0, them=3ysgl2hw35fsquai.onion:8333, peer=127.0.0.1:50664
 28 2012-05-04 00:06:57 <gmaxwell> Just now: -listen=1 -externalip=1.1.1.1 -connect=a57qr3ydpnyntf5k.onion:8333
 29 2012-05-04 00:07:19 <sipa> did it go AddLocal(1.1.1.1,5) ?
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 31 2012-05-04 00:07:36 <gmaxwell> 05/04/12 00:04:44 AddLocal(1.1.1.1,5)
 32 2012-05-04 00:07:41 <gmaxwell> 05/04/12 00:04:45 send version message: version 60001, blocks=178491, us=1.1.1.1:8333, them=0.0.0.0:0, peer=a57qr3ydpnyntf5k.onion:8333
 33 2012-05-04 00:07:59 <sipa> great
 34 2012-05-04 00:08:14 <KDuck> thank you guys very much for the help. gotta run now cya
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 36 2012-05-04 00:09:43 <gmaxwell> sipa: perhaps we ought to seperate out listening on 127.0.0.1 with nolisten in general.  For one, the nolisten rule screws up some tool-ish uses (and p2pool)
 37 2012-05-04 00:10:18 <sipa> gmaxwell: i intend to add a -bind=... and a -proxynet=...
 38 2012-05-04 00:10:36 <sipa> so you could specify that only connections to tor should go via a proxy
 39 2012-05-04 00:10:37 <gmaxwell> e.g. maybe we should always listen on 127.0.0.1 regardless of how nolisten is set.  (and perhaps have a -reallydontlistenatall )
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 41 2012-05-04 00:11:05 <gmaxwell> sipa: so why the heck didn't you see my 1.1.1.1?
 42 2012-05-04 00:11:10 <sipa> i did
 43 2012-05-04 00:11:22 <sipa> the 0.0.0.0 was from an earlier attempt, i suppose
 44 2012-05-04 00:12:41 <gmaxwell> it's a bit annoying that we can't tell for sure that the inbound connections are tor.
 45 2012-05-04 00:12:56 <sipa> maybe a -limitnets=... as well, where you could specify to only connect to tor nodes and not to ipv4 ones
 46 2012-05-04 00:13:09 <gmaxwell> Because I really would like to unconditionally not give our v4 address via tor even when we don't have an onion address.
 47 2012-05-04 00:14:19 <sipa> yes, the best solution would be making bitcoin explicitly aware of incoming tor connections; something like a rewrite rule that says "from 127.0.0.1 means [tor network connection]"
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 49 2012-05-04 00:14:51 <sipa> right now it's mostly some heuristics/well-chosen defaults that provide anonimity
 50 2012-05-04 00:15:06 <sipa> like disabling upnp and discover when behind tor
 51 2012-05-04 00:15:15 <sipa> so it just doesn't know its own v4 address
 52 2012-05-04 00:15:29 <gmaxwell> well, my advice will be "only run bitcoin in tails if you want to be anonymous"
 53 2012-05-04 00:15:38 <sipa> tails?
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 55 2012-05-04 00:16:11 <gmaxwell> https://tails.boum.org/  < whole OS sandboxed to be behind tor.
 56 2012-05-04 00:16:20 <gmaxwell> Boots nicely in KVM too.
 57 2012-05-04 00:16:23 <sipa> ok, nice :)
 58 2012-05-04 00:16:53 <gmaxwell> doesn't include bitcoin yet... seems like a logical thing to eventually add.
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 63 2012-05-04 00:35:52 <user_> hi, do you think bitcoin talk here is on right direction: www.ambercutie.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=7955
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167 2012-05-04 08:05:27 <ovidiusoft> anyone cares for a core dump of 0.6.0 on linux (my gdb powers are next to zero so i can't debug it myself) ?
168 2012-05-04 08:06:54 <ovidiusoft> seems it crashed while evaluating a script
169 2012-05-04 08:07:41 <ThomasV> hi ovidiusoft
170 2012-05-04 08:08:12 <ovidiusoft> hi ThomasV
171 2012-05-04 08:08:22 <ThomasV> I still use 0.5.2
172 2012-05-04 08:08:28 <ovidiusoft> for a moment, i though i typed in #electrum :))
173 2012-05-04 08:08:38 <ThomasV> heh
174 2012-05-04 08:09:00 <ThomasV> 0.5.2 seems to have a memory leak, though
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177 2012-05-04 08:24:02 <sturles> 0.6.0 is much better.  Keeps the log files in check as well.  And support BIP16, which is essential if you are ever mining.
178 2012-05-04 08:24:47 <ThomasV> oh I am not mining. it's for the backend of my electrum server
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180 2012-05-04 08:27:23 <sturles> Are there plans for BIP16 support in Electrum?
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189 2012-05-04 09:11:14 <amiller_> gmaxwell, i've been working on my alternate proof-of-work scheme, which matches the goals of your 'forgetting the forgetful' post
190 2012-05-04 09:11:39 <amiller_> https://github.com/amiller/redblackmerkle/blob/master/proofofwork.py  <--- this is the best version of the explanation i have
191 2012-05-04 09:12:03 <amiller_> to quickly mention what you asked about last time,
192 2012-05-04 09:13:21 <amiller_> 1) whether it supports 'pruning' old transactions - i'm now only looking at an 'unspent coins' database, so coins can be removed from the data structure as soon as they're spent
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194 2012-05-04 09:14:55 <amiller_> 2) whether only full nodes can verify - the 'unspent coin database' is now a merkle tree so people can verify the work with O(log N)
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196 2012-05-04 09:15:34 <amiller_> even if all the reliable knowledge they have ahead of time is the root hash
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198 2012-05-04 09:19:19 <amiller_> 3) if it's a dos nightmare because of the extra work-verifying burden - there's an upper bound of (2 * log N) on the time it takes to verify each iteration of the work, and the verifier can require whoever's sending this work to show them the k steps in reverse order, so they would have to do 2^k work to make the verifier spend k effort
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234 2012-05-04 11:26:36 <sgornick> #GLBSE
235 2012-05-04 11:26:57 <genjix> please hold while i connect the cables
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266 2012-05-04 13:42:38 <DiabloD3> IF YOU LOVE BITCOIN, VOTE IN THIS POLL: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=78919.0
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306 2012-05-04 15:15:22 <Guest60516> How does bitcoin connect to other peers?
307 2012-05-04 15:15:35 <Guest60516> does it scan the whole IP range 0.0.0.0 to 255.255?
308 2012-05-04 15:16:43 <sipa> 1) -connect and -addnode on the commandline 2) DNS seeds 3) IRC seeds (disabled by default since 0.6.0) 4) built-in IP list or reliable nodes
309 2012-05-04 15:17:26 <Guest60516> and without those?
310 2012-05-04 15:17:47 <sipa> without which?
311 2012-05-04 15:17:56 <sipa> oh, i forgot the most important one
312 2012-05-04 15:18:03 <sipa> 5) peer exchange
313 2012-05-04 15:18:18 <drizztbsd> 6) NSA servers ;)
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316 2012-05-04 15:26:35 <luke-jr> Guest60516: IPv4 is obsolete fyi
317 2012-05-04 15:26:53 <sipa> ...
318 2012-05-04 15:27:02 <sipa> luke-jr, meet reality
319 2012-05-04 15:27:06 <sipa> reality, meet luke-jr
320 2012-05-04 15:27:46 <luke-jr> reality = one of my ISPs is IPv6-only
321 2012-05-04 15:28:02 <drizztbsd> luke-jr: surely with IPv4-to-IPv6 tunnel :P
322 2012-05-04 15:28:17 <drizztbsd> or you can't navigate to 99% of the internet websites
323 2012-05-04 15:28:22 <sipa> i don't think you and your ISP are not a representative sample of the world's internet users
324 2012-05-04 15:28:38 <sipa> however much you (and i) would like you to be right about that
325 2012-05-04 15:29:19 <luke-jr> T-Mobile is a pretty big US cellular carrier
326 2012-05-04 15:29:44 <sipa> and they're IPv6-only? :o
327 2012-05-04 15:30:02 <drizztbsd> ? android used to don't support ipv6
328 2012-05-04 15:30:31 <luke-jr> sipa: at least for new phones afaik
329 2012-05-04 15:30:44 <luke-jr> I think they have a deprecated parallel network to keep the old phones working
330 2012-05-04 15:31:07 <luke-jr> drizztbsd: that's just Google fail
331 2012-05-04 15:31:20 <luke-jr> anything as new as Android should have been IPv6-centric from day 1
332 2012-05-04 15:31:25 <luke-jr> sipa: also, 4G requires IPv6
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335 2012-05-04 15:32:33 <sipa> interesting
336 2012-05-04 15:32:48 <Guest60516> luke-jr:what do you mean obsolete?
337 2012-05-04 15:32:50 <luke-jr> Comcast (big US cable ISP) is also doing IPv6 I hear
338 2012-05-04 15:33:01 <drizztbsd> we don't have LTE in italy/europe
339 2012-05-04 15:33:08 <luke-jr> Guest60516: I mean it's stupid to make anything IPv4-based these days
340 2012-05-04 15:33:24 <drizztbsd> bitcoin over anycast :P
341 2012-05-04 15:33:35 <luke-jr> multicast fits Bitcoin better
342 2012-05-04 15:33:47 <sipa> broadcast!
343 2012-05-04 15:33:54 <luke-jr> and p2p in general for that matter
344 2012-05-04 15:34:04 <drizztbsd> not every isp/tb supports multicast
345 2012-05-04 15:34:11 <sipa> but it's also stupid to ignore the reality that IPv4 will be the most common form of internet addressing for years to come
346 2012-05-04 15:34:17 <luke-jr> in theory, IPv6 mandates multicast <.<
347 2012-05-04 15:34:19 <Guest60516> typecast!
348 2012-05-04 15:34:24 <sipa> sure, you shouldn't design something ipv4-only these days anymore
349 2012-05-04 15:34:30 <luke-jr> sipa: I wouldn't bet on that.
350 2012-05-04 15:34:36 <luke-jr> sipa: NAT64 costs nothing
351 2012-05-04 15:34:38 <drizztbsd> in theory ipv6 wants ipsec, but mobile phones does not supports it :P
352 2012-05-04 15:34:45 <luke-jr> drizztbsd: no?
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354 2012-05-04 15:35:16 <drizztbsd> my phone only supports l2tp and pptp
355 2012-05-04 15:35:21 <drizztbsd> by default
356 2012-05-04 15:35:47 <luke-jr> not sure IPv6 mandates end-points support IPSec or multicast, just routers
357 2012-05-04 15:36:10 <luke-jr> MIPv6 would be nice ;)
358 2012-05-04 15:37:11 <drizztbsd> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6214 is the future!
359 2012-05-04 15:37:22 * sipa has a bitcoin tor-to-ipv4 bridge
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371 2012-05-04 16:06:36 <genjix> oh sipa where is your ipv6 t-shirt
372 2012-05-04 16:07:08 <gmaxwell> I have an IPv6 t-shirt.
373 2012-05-04 16:07:42 <genjix> that's half braggable
374 2012-05-04 16:10:11 <gmaxwell> I actually may have more than one. But I know I at least have one... it's a pretty good one, the IETF 74 shirt.  "IPv6 world tour" and it looks like a band shirt
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376 2012-05-04 16:11:53 <genjix> i like the free software ones they give out at conferences
377 2012-05-04 16:12:20 <genjix> it's nice to be wearing community graphics
378 2012-05-04 16:12:22 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: laanwj opened pull request 1193 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1193>
379 2012-05-04 16:12:55 <gmaxwell> I have an enlightenment windowmanager shirt from Linux expo 1996 or so .. which I couldn't ever wear because people thought it was about the drug MDMA.
380 2012-05-04 16:13:27 <gmaxwell> (It says something like "Do you use ^^e^^?")
381 2012-05-04 16:14:33 <genjix> i have an ubuntu shirt which says "Do you like to Ubuntu?" on the back
382 2012-05-04 16:14:41 <genjix> apparently ubuntu means fuck in russian
383 2012-05-04 16:15:24 <sipa> genjix: i have a t-shirt that says "There's no place like ::1"
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385 2012-05-04 16:20:19 <t7> bet that drives the girls wild
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387 2012-05-04 16:21:35 <sipa> oh, seems vint cerf is giving a talk next week here
388 2012-05-04 16:22:25 <sipa> t7: ehm, you bet... eh...!
389 2012-05-04 16:22:49 <genjix> girls gone ipv6
390 2012-05-04 16:22:50 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: Diapolo opened pull request 1194 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1194>
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392 2012-05-04 16:23:16 <t7> haha
393 2012-05-04 16:23:37 <t7> will we all get static ips when they switch over?
394 2012-05-04 16:23:48 <t7> or will ISPs be mean
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398 2012-05-04 16:24:17 <sipa> t7: if they can charge for a static IP, they will :D
399 2012-05-04 16:24:31 Guest5 is now known as Guest_RNG
400 2012-05-04 16:24:53 <t7> my ISP blocked the pirate bay 2 days ago
401 2012-05-04 16:25:04 <t7> i hate this planet
402 2012-05-04 16:25:05 <sipa> do recent home routers have a "firewall but don't NAT ipv6 connections mode" ?
403 2012-05-04 16:25:10 <paulo_> t7: you in europe?
404 2012-05-04 16:25:14 <t7> UK
405 2012-05-04 16:25:25 <paulo_> ah, better use TOR then.
406 2012-05-04 16:25:33 <genjix> t7: bitcoin2012.com
407 2012-05-04 16:25:38 <t7> theres a mirror on the pirate party site
408 2012-05-04 16:25:51 <t7> i paid for membership too
409 2012-05-04 16:25:54 <t7> a few months ago
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411 2012-05-04 16:26:05 <paulo_> t7: what's the URL?
412 2012-05-04 16:26:32 <t7> http://tpb.pirateparty.org.uk/
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414 2012-05-04 16:26:37 <Diapolo> Hi all! Wumpus: Are you on?
415 2012-05-04 16:28:02 <Guest_RNG> oh yeah
416 2012-05-04 16:28:08 <Guest_RNG> UK got tbp blocked, right?
417 2012-05-04 16:28:16 <t7> yeah
418 2012-05-04 16:28:23 <Guest_RNG> Sucks
419 2012-05-04 16:28:24 <t7> next stop, porn
420 2012-05-04 16:28:42 <Guest_RNG> Well, I at least won't have to worry about something as this for a while
421 2012-05-04 16:30:35 <gmaxwell> but but! the internet detects censorship as damage and routes around it!
422 2012-05-04 16:32:27 <guruvan> gmaxwell: does tpb have a .bit?
423 2012-05-04 16:33:15 <sturles> How is it blocked?  Just DNS?
424 2012-05-04 16:34:15 <sturles> Denmark blocks it via DNS, so everyone just change their DNS settings.  DNS servers at danish ISPs get a query a minut if they are lucky..
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427 2012-05-04 16:35:48 <t7> sturles: nope IP level block
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429 2012-05-04 16:37:36 <drizztbsd> italy blocks it via DNS and IP (almost any ISP)
430 2012-05-04 16:37:54 <drizztbsd> we had to use http://www.labaia.ws/ :)
431 2012-05-04 16:48:44 <t7> i emailed my MP and he never replied
432 2012-05-04 16:48:48 <t7> fuck this country
433 2012-05-04 16:48:52 <t7> im moving to iceland
434 2012-05-04 16:50:43 <drizztbsd> who is MP
435 2012-05-04 16:50:45 <drizztbsd> ?
436 2012-05-04 16:50:55 <copumpkin> member of parliament
437 2012-05-04 16:52:00 <luke-jr> t7: I wouldn't be surprised if they just put a /64 on each network node and let all the customers pollute the same subnet
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439 2012-05-04 16:56:27 <jgarzik> heh, hadn't thought about Satoshi Dice being a disguised bitcoin laundry.  need more caffeine.  http://www.bitcoinmoney.com/post/22374833252/sastoshi-dice-launch
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443 2012-05-04 17:00:08 <drizztbsd> jgarzik: what is it?
444 2012-05-04 17:03:17 <Diapolo> Is it save to remove "#if QT_VERSION >= 0x040700" from the source as we are now at 4.7.4 anyway (at least the Win exe displays this)?
445 2012-05-04 17:03:37 <wump> Diapolo: no, we still support older versions of qt
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447 2012-05-04 17:04:03 <Diapolo> wump: == Wumpus?
448 2012-05-04 17:04:05 <wump> at least 4.6
449 2012-05-04 17:04:08 <wump> yea
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451 2012-05-04 17:04:48 <Diapolo> wumpus: But to move placeholdertext into the ui file for sendcoins is fine?
452 2012-05-04 17:05:01 <wumpus> sure
453 2012-05-04 17:05:10 <wumpus> moving stuff to the xml is always good
454 2012-05-04 17:05:26 <Diapolo> alright only 2 uses of #if QT_VERSION >= 0x040700 are now left in the source, which I cant move as there is no ui file ^^.
455 2012-05-04 17:05:41 <luke-jr> wumpus: placeholdertext requires 4.7 IIRC
456 2012-05-04 17:05:58 <luke-jr> wumpus: placeholdertext requires 4.7 IIRC
457 2012-05-04 17:06:05 <luke-jr> so moving it to xml implies taking out of the #ifdef
458 2012-05-04 17:06:31 <Diapolo> luke-jt: the xml should ignore unknown settings without breaking the build I hope?
459 2012-05-04 17:06:32 <wumpus> the compiler ignores attributes it doesn't know
460 2012-05-04 17:06:36 <Diapolo> :)
461 2012-05-04 17:06:40 <Diapolo> that's what I meant
462 2012-05-04 17:07:02 <luke-jr> i c
463 2012-05-04 17:07:15 <wumpus> luckily there is no strict schema validation
464 2012-05-04 17:07:48 <Diapolo> wumpus: are there plans to merge some of the little GUI fixes as this is now new feature and should not break the definition af a RC :D.
465 2012-05-04 17:07:57 <Diapolo> now = no
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467 2012-05-04 17:08:54 <wumpus> unless they fix problems, rather not 
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470 2012-05-04 17:09:50 <Diapolo> I really hate that pull-request jam for that little stuff ^^.
471 2012-05-04 17:11:17 <wumpus> I do, too, most projects have multiple branches and already start merging for the next major version in another branch, but that's not our development process right now
472 2012-05-04 17:11:25 <Diapolo> What's the planned shedule for 0.6.1?
473 2012-05-04 17:11:55 <wumpus>  once there is a RC with no (major) reported problems it becomes 0.6.1 final
474 2012-05-04 17:12:12 <Diapolo> I see
475 2012-05-04 17:12:34 <Diapolo> Are there blockers left that are unfixed and need work?
476 2012-05-04 17:15:33 <wumpus> I don't know, I think all the blockers up until now are solved 
477 2012-05-04 17:15:36 <luke-jr> I think so.
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479 2012-05-04 17:16:13 <Diapolo> The addrman crashes?
480 2012-05-04 17:16:30 <Diapolo> At least I'm of no use for that problem ^^.
481 2012-05-04 17:23:50 <gavinandresen> addrman crash is not reproducible (I even wrote some multithreaded stress-testing code to try to make it crash with no luck)
482 2012-05-04 17:24:35 <luke-jr> crashes are scary, after the 0.5.3.1 thing
483 2012-05-04 17:25:26 <jgarzik> wading through bitcoin+boost+ssl in valgrind is hellish
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485 2012-05-04 17:25:48 <jgarzik> must suppress tons of output before even getting to the problem
486 2012-05-04 17:27:09 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: you can make things much better by simply compiling your openssl with -DPURIFY
487 2012-05-04 17:27:16 <gavinandresen> really?  compile ssl and bdb with the right flags and you shouldn't get any
488 2012-05-04 17:27:29 <gmaxwell> that cuts out almost all of it except some occasional places where bdb writes uninitilized memory to disk.
489 2012-05-04 17:27:58 <gmaxwell> The openssl rpms I maintain are compiled that way: http://people.xiph.org/~greg/openssl/
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491 2012-05-04 17:32:26 <gmaxwell> Anyone have any guesses why a version 60000 node would be stuck at height 140700?  I'm seeing at least two that are which are connecting to me.
492 2012-05-04 17:32:53 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: isn't that an early-BIP16-date version?
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494 2012-05-04 17:34:08 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: I don't know: I think thats the protocol version field, which is still currently 60000
495 2012-05-04 17:34:36 <luke-jr> oh
496 2012-05-04 17:34:40 <luke-jr> what's the UA then?
497 2012-05-04 17:34:41 <jgarzik> yeah, I know about -DPURIFY in openssl.  Didn't know about any bdb tricks...?
498 2012-05-04 17:34:41 <gmaxwell> But even if it was— BIP16 on the wrong date wouldn't imply getting stuck at 140700 ... thats the height of the prior highest checkpoint.
499 2012-05-04 17:35:03 <gmaxwell> gavinandresen: yea, what bdb tricks?
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501 2012-05-04 17:35:43 <gavinandresen> exactly the kind of thing I never remember... lemme look at my bdb source tree....
502 2012-05-04 17:35:51 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: a lot of the alerts elsewhere in the code are from openssl sourced random numbers... so just doing openssl, for example gets me only 4 notices out of a node which has been up for >24 hours.
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504 2012-05-04 17:36:36 <gmaxwell> (well, on fedora 16, which may have some relevant system level whitelisting that I'm not aware of)
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506 2012-05-04 17:37:46 <gavinandresen> configure bdb with --enable-umrw
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509 2012-05-04 17:39:38 <gmaxwell> odd. valgrind should _not_ be complaining about uninitilized data in padding. .. well, I suppose it does if they're dropping those structs to disk. Of course, if  thats the case then its a potential private data leak (and probably a file portablility bug)
510 2012-05-04 17:41:32 <gavinandresen> jgarzik gmaxwell sipa: I want to push a 0.6.1 final tag and do a 0.6.1 build .... any reason not to?
511 2012-05-04 17:42:39 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: ack
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514 2012-05-04 17:54:39 <gavinandresen> git question:  I've got a tag in one tree on my machine, I want to either push JUST that one tag up to github or move JUST that one tag to a clean tree.... easiest way?
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518 2012-05-04 17:58:00 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: http://andreasjacobsen.com/2008/10/01/use-git-tags/
519 2012-05-04 17:58:25 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: thanks
520 2012-05-04 18:00:07 <gavinandresen> 0.6.1 tagged, I'm going to start gitian building
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528 2012-05-04 18:21:53 <TuxBlackEdo> gavinandresen, build that shitt!! :)
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534 2012-05-04 18:24:17 <TuxBlackEdo> so i've been building an inventory manager for a moving company (which uses qr codes), first time using a mac (and xcode for that matter)... and wow, Obj-C is a beast, so god damn confusing.
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542 2012-05-04 18:53:17 <gavinandresen> gitian.sigs for 0.6.1 pushed... anybody else have time to do a build and compare signatures?
543 2012-05-04 18:54:27 <gmaxwell> darnit, is there any way to have a working kvm gitian setup without having ubuntu running on the bare metal?
544 2012-05-04 18:55:18 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: I can do a build
545 2012-05-04 18:55:31 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: thanks
546 2012-05-04 18:55:31 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: I run Ubuntu in a KVM
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548 2012-05-04 18:55:59 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: I thought kvm in kvm was pure superslow cpu emulation?
549 2012-05-04 18:56:06 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: it is, I use nested VT-x
550 2012-05-04 18:56:21 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: which has a known bug that panics the kernel once every few months, note
551 2012-05-04 18:56:49 <luke-jr> err, CPU emulation is super-slow, but nested VT-x isn't so much
552 2012-05-04 18:59:48 <devrandom> gmaxwell: use lxc?
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555 2012-05-04 19:02:03 <devrandom> gavinandresen: I keep getting mismatches on 64 bit builds, so I'll stay out of builds until I figure out why
556 2012-05-04 19:02:28 <gmaxwell> devrandom: I didn't think I could do both 32 and 64 bit builds from lxc.
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561 2012-05-04 19:09:50 <devrandom> gmaxwell: as long as you have a 64 bit host...
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563 2012-05-04 19:10:59 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: btw, does this mean you have gitian working now?
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574 2012-05-04 19:36:27 <luke-jr> printf("priority     nValueIn=%-12I64d nConf=%-5d dPriority=%-20.1f\n", nValueIn, nConf, dPriority);
575 2012-05-04 19:36:29 <luke-jr> this line is buggy
576 2012-05-04 19:36:30 <luke-jr> :p
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582 2012-05-04 19:47:04 <gmaxwell> I'm wondering if nodes shouldn't drop connections outbound connections to peers with < highest checkpoint blocks.  E.g. don't use your precious outbound slots talking to nodes that are broken or new.
583 2012-05-04 19:47:48 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: so everyone boycotts the newbie trying to load the blockchain?
584 2012-05-04 19:48:00 <gmaxwell> outbound, not inbound.
585 2012-05-04 19:48:37 <gmaxwell> He shouldn't even be advertising himself until he's synced up.
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602 2012-05-04 20:23:01 <gmaxwell> devrandom: so.. trying lxc ... it just gets to Calling hook: bootstrap  and stits there.
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633 2012-05-04 22:15:03 <DiabloD3> IF YOU LOVE BITCOIN, VOTE IN THIS POLL: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=78919.0
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635 2012-05-04 22:16:28 <Diapolo> hi all
636 2012-05-04 22:16:38 <DiabloD3> hey Diapolo
637 2012-05-04 22:16:41 <DiabloD3> did you vote in the poll?
638 2012-05-04 22:16:46 <DiabloD3> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=78919.0
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640 2012-05-04 22:18:42 <Diapolo_> DiabloD3: not yet
641 2012-05-04 22:19:44 <Diapolo_> IPO is the amount of BTC you want to take from selling shares?
642 2012-05-04 22:19:48 <ali1234> what kind of a question is that?
643 2012-05-04 22:19:53 <DiabloD3> Diapolo_: yeah
644 2012-05-04 22:20:02 <ali1234> the IPO should be for the amount that you need to do the business
645 2012-05-04 22:20:31 <DiabloD3> ali1234: it is.
646 2012-05-04 22:20:34 <DiabloD3> its just variable.
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648 2012-05-04 22:20:52 <Diapolo_> As I',m native german I'm sometimes ask question that may sound dumb :-P, thanks for allowing me that.
649 2012-05-04 22:21:03 <Diapolo_> +ing
650 2012-05-04 22:21:20 <ali1234> Diapolo_: not you
651 2012-05-04 22:21:24 <ali1234> i meant the poll
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653 2012-05-04 22:21:34 <Diapolo_> allright ;)
654 2012-05-04 22:22:39 <ali1234> all i would add is the more btc you get the more you need to dump
655 2012-05-04 22:22:47 <ali1234> thus more is in fact less
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660 2012-05-04 22:40:33 <nanotube> any reason i shouldn't set 0.6.1 as default download? (currently 0.6.0 is still default) ?
661 2012-05-04 22:40:42 <nanotube> on sourceforge
662 2012-05-04 22:41:04 <gmaxwell> we wouldn't have released it if we were aware of one!
663 2012-05-04 22:41:28 <DiabloD3> ali1234: the plan has a minimum viable amount, but Im obviously not going to stop investors from investing
664 2012-05-04 22:41:36 <DiabloD3> ali1234: but the less money thats invested, the less money is made
665 2012-05-04 22:41:38 <nanotube> gmaxwell: heh ok then. just wanted to make sure :)
666 2012-05-04 22:41:49 <DiabloD3> ali1234: 1m is just a fall off point where more isnt going to make it go faster in the beginning
667 2012-05-04 22:41:58 <DiabloD3> ali1234: at least, the gap between 1m and the next is very large
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669 2012-05-04 22:43:05 <Diapolo_> Ah you built the final?
670 2012-05-04 22:43:34 <Diapolo_> Strange that the last Github commit says: Bump version numbers for 0.6.1rc2 then?
671 2012-05-04 22:43:44 <DiabloD3> ali1234: I mean like, lets say the bitcoin community out of some miraculous fluke of reality, some glitch in the matrix of some sort, put $25m in my lap
672 2012-05-04 22:44:06 <nanotube> ok default set to 0.6.1, sf site should reflect that within a few minutes.
673 2012-05-04 22:44:13 <ali1234> they wouldn't though
674 2012-05-04 22:44:14 <DiabloD3> ali1234: I'd need a new plan, for one, but other than that, we'd be one of the largest companies in Maine.
675 2012-05-04 22:44:18 <gmaxwell> DiabloD3: our RCs become the finals exactly
676 2012-05-04 22:44:21 <ali1234> they might give you 5m btc
677 2012-05-04 22:44:29 <DiabloD3> ali1234: well Im talking in btc
678 2012-05-04 22:44:35 <ali1234> then by the time you've sold, say 250k, btc is now worth $1
679 2012-05-04 22:44:38 <DiabloD3> unless you're a huge investor, I dont want USD, its too expensive
680 2012-05-04 22:44:48 <DiabloD3> ali1234: well, theres a circuit breaker rule
681 2012-05-04 22:44:56 <DiabloD3> I wont sell below a specific point, its suicide
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684 2012-05-04 22:46:29 <Diapolo_> gmaxwell: understood, thanks
685 2012-05-04 22:46:53 <ali1234> on that basis you may as well just set the IPO at 21M btc
686 2012-05-04 22:47:08 <DiabloD3> ali1234: well, people are worried about a possible forever IPO condition
687 2012-05-04 22:47:25 <DiabloD3> some people simply do not think 1m is possible, and I don't share their views.
688 2012-05-04 22:47:31 <ali1234> forever?
689 2012-05-04 22:47:57 <DiabloD3> forever as shares will never be completely sold
690 2012-05-04 22:48:39 <ali1234> and why is that a problem?
691 2012-05-04 22:49:15 <DiabloD3> its rather pear shaped
692 2012-05-04 22:49:21 <DiabloD3> investors can basically never exit the market
693 2012-05-04 22:49:24 <DiabloD3> unless they do so at a loss
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696 2012-05-04 22:50:22 <ali1234> well, not really, because the value of btc may change
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700 2012-05-04 22:50:35 <ali1234> so you set IPO at 21M and you only sell half
701 2012-05-04 22:50:49 <ali1234> ok. now as soon as you start selling the btc to get actual funds, price of btc halves
702 2012-05-04 22:51:01 <ali1234> effectively the second half of the shares are half the price
703 2012-05-04 22:51:11 <DiabloD3> in a round about way, sort of
704 2012-05-04 22:51:28 <ali1234> or to put it another way. people are buying your shares with btc. then those same people buy back the btc from you and use them to buy more shares at a cheaper price
705 2012-05-04 22:51:39 <DiabloD3> yeah
706 2012-05-04 22:51:45 <DiabloD3> which would be really strange to watch
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708 2012-05-04 22:53:37 <ali1234> in the end it doesn't matter what size the IPO is because you're going to end up with the same number of dollars
709 2012-05-04 22:53:57 <ali1234> for sufficiently large number of btc
710 2012-05-04 22:54:29 <DiabloD3> yes, but the purpose of the company is to be one of many initiatives to increase the value of BTC
711 2012-05-04 22:54:46 <gmaxwell> devrandom: http://pastebin.com/PTpnzmr3  /me stabs
712 2012-05-04 22:54:49 <ali1234> hmm
713 2012-05-04 22:54:59 <ali1234> well if you want to do that just do the IPO then sit on the BTC forever
714 2012-05-04 22:55:59 <DiabloD3> ali1234: yeah, but that doesnt directly work
715 2012-05-04 22:56:16 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: rebroad opened issue 1195 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1195>
716 2012-05-04 22:56:22 <DiabloD3> the secondary income streams would, essentially, be causing me to buy btc to send them out as dividends
717 2012-05-04 22:56:58 <ali1234> yeah, which would increase the value of btc even further
718 2012-05-04 22:58:39 <Diapolo_> and I thought I open many issues ^^
719 2012-05-04 22:59:22 * luke-jr suggests we remove the "/P2SH/" coinbase for 0.7
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721 2012-05-04 23:01:40 <gmaxwell> Anyone here run bitcoin on ia64?
722 2012-05-04 23:02:09 <luke-jr> is ia64 LE?
723 2012-05-04 23:02:35 <gmaxwell> Yes. (well it can do either, but in Linux it's LE)
724 2012-05-04 23:02:53 <DiabloD3> ooh
725 2012-05-04 23:02:55 <DiabloD3> I have a list of that!
726 2012-05-04 23:03:08 <gmaxwell> A list of what?
727 2012-05-04 23:03:23 <DiabloD3> shit like luke's question
728 2012-05-04 23:03:41 <gjs278> I thought the electricty in maine was ridiculously expensive
729 2012-05-04 23:03:44 <DiabloD3> http://caspar.adterrasperaspera.com/cgit/libugh.git/tree/src/libugh/base/machine.h
730 2012-05-04 23:03:45 <DiabloD3> ba,!
731 2012-05-04 23:03:46 <DiabloD3> bam!
732 2012-05-04 23:03:54 <gmaxwell> I want a platform where int is 64 bits.
733 2012-05-04 23:03:59 <DiabloD3> gjs278: 15 cents kwh maximum, but we do have sane commercial rates
734 2012-05-04 23:04:08 <DiabloD3> gmaxwell: there is such a thing
735 2012-05-04 23:04:09 <gjs278> oh ok
736 2012-05-04 23:04:27 <DiabloD3> gjs278: plus, if we're selling the power back most of the time, they can charge _whatever they want_
737 2012-05-04 23:04:29 <gmaxwell> DiabloD3: I thought cray t3d was but it's not.
738 2012-05-04 23:04:36 <DiabloD3> gmaxwell: no, its related to the OS
739 2012-05-04 23:04:38 <DiabloD3> its not hardware specific
740 2012-05-04 23:04:53 <gjs278> I thought the whole DMC was a joke over that 500k investment company I didn't know it was for real
741 2012-05-04 23:04:57 <DiabloD3> I wanna say tru64 does it, but I think Im wrong
742 2012-05-04 23:05:04 <DiabloD3> gjs278: no no, quite real
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744 2012-05-04 23:05:09 <Tzui> D
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746 2012-05-04 23:05:42 <DiabloD3> gmaxwell: theres technically nothing wrong with a 32 bit int
747 2012-05-04 23:05:58 <DiabloD3> gmaxwell: if you need a specific size you're going to use the c99 types anyhow
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749 2012-05-04 23:06:59 <gmaxwell> DiabloD3: sure sure, no I want a platform where int is 64 bits in order to find code that assumes its 32 bits.  -Dint=int64 doesn't work because of all the api/abi issues.
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751 2012-05-04 23:07:23 <DiabloD3> gmaxwell: yeah and I swear its tru64
752 2012-05-04 23:07:32 <DiabloD3> if Im wrong, its still one of the obscure commercial unixes
753 2012-05-04 23:08:24 <gmaxwell> I really thought there was something.. but ::shrugs:: it's not tru64.
754 2012-05-04 23:08:36 <DiabloD3> Im trying to think
755 2012-05-04 23:08:39 <DiabloD3> I know theres one
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757 2012-05-04 23:09:14 <DiabloD3> hrm
758 2012-05-04 23:09:24 <DiabloD3> its unicos
759 2012-05-04 23:09:43 <DiabloD3> holy shit, unicos ALL the things are 64 bit
760 2012-05-04 23:09:53 <DiabloD3> short, int, and long
761 2012-05-04 23:10:07 <gmaxwell> ah!
762 2012-05-04 23:10:10 <gmaxwell> sweet.
763 2012-05-04 23:10:37 <DiabloD3> [07:02:33] <gmaxwell> DiabloD3: I thought cray t3d was but it's not.
764 2012-05-04 23:10:41 <DiabloD3> no apparentlyyou were right
765 2012-05-04 23:10:45 <DiabloD3> theres a unicos version for that
766 2012-05-04 23:11:31 <gmaxwell> hm. Now I wonder why I thought it wasn't.
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768 2012-05-04 23:12:17 <DiabloD3> t3ds used alphas
769 2012-05-04 23:12:27 <DiabloD3> its obviously not a hardware requirement
770 2012-05-04 23:12:39 <DiabloD3> "The Cray T3D MC cabinet had an Apple Macintosh PowerBook laptop built into its front. Its only purpose was to display animated Cray Research and T3D logos on its color LCD screen."
771 2012-05-04 23:12:42 <DiabloD3> I totally forgot about that
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773 2012-05-04 23:13:32 <DiabloD3> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicos
774 2012-05-04 23:13:38 <DiabloD3> theres completely unrelated versions of unicos
775 2012-05-04 23:13:39 <DiabloD3> wtf
776 2012-05-04 23:13:46 <DiabloD3> ones irix based, another is linux based
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781 2012-05-04 23:32:05 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: gitian?
782 2012-05-04 23:33:19 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: hates me for some unknown reason.
783 2012-05-04 23:35:58 <luke-jr> :<
784 2012-05-04 23:46:55 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: rebroad reopened issue 1195 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1195>
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