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 10 2012-05-14 00:29:07 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: jgarzik opened pull request 1293 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1293>
 11 2012-05-14 00:39:34 <gmaxwell> Do we have an RPC that will list _all_ the tranasactions we have in the memory pool (even ones were not currently trying to mine) by hash?
 12 2012-05-14 00:39:54 <sipa> not afaik
 13 2012-05-14 00:40:42 <sipa> even though gettransaction allows inspection of memory pool transactions
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 15 2012-05-14 00:41:55 <sipa> so i don't see a reason not to have it
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 20 2012-05-14 00:49:29 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: getmemorypool *almost* does
 21 2012-05-14 00:49:46 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: in theory, anyhow
 22 2012-05-14 00:50:26 <luke-jr> {"sizelimit":false,"sigoplimit":false,"tx":"hash"}
 23 2012-05-14 00:50:48 <luke-jr> just need to remove the GetMinFee restrictions, and implement false sizelimit/sigoplimit in bitcoind
 24 2012-05-14 00:51:01 <gmaxwell> almost— but I want things that aren't going to get mined.  Basically I hope 0.7.0 will mean that I never have to use blockexplorer or blockchain.info again, and I'm making a list of feature gaps.
 25 2012-05-14 00:51:48 <luke-jr> well, double spends *can't* be in the memorypool I think?
 26 2012-05-14 00:51:57 <luke-jr> so the only problem is the sizelimit/sigoplimit and fee checks
 27 2012-05-14 00:53:23 <gmaxwell> yea... and ideally I'd like to see those too.
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 30 2012-05-14 00:54:57 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: yea, really I want a list of everything which it hasn't just dropped at ingress... everything in memory that it could give me data from gettransaction about.
 31 2012-05-14 00:56:04 <sipa> gwtmemorypool should have been called getblockbuildinginfo or something :)
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 34 2012-05-14 00:56:33 <sipa> because it returns almost any information, except the memory pool :)
 35 2012-05-14 00:56:38 <gmaxwell> hahah
 36 2012-05-14 00:58:18 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: that's getmemorypool with false sizelimit/sigoplimit and the fee filters ignored
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 38 2012-05-14 00:58:41 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: no, becuase it won't show conflicting txn.
 39 2012-05-14 00:58:58 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: conflicting txn are dropped at ingress
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 42 2012-05-14 01:01:45 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: so to get conflicting txns, you really need hub mode + a "secondary holding" memory pool for conflicts
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 44 2012-05-14 01:03:09 <gmaxwell> hm. I was actually thinking mostly about your own conflicting transactions.
 45 2012-05-14 01:03:13 <luke-jr> if you're going to write that, I propose adding a protocol feature to relay conflicts so double-spend attempts can be noticed easily :p
 46 2012-05-14 01:03:17 <luke-jr> ah
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 48 2012-05-14 01:03:46 <gmaxwell> e.g. to debug that issue we had today. ... but yea.. that double spend notice stuff that was talked about in the past ought to be fleshed out.
 49 2012-05-14 01:03:58 <luke-jr> listtransactions *should* show negative confirmations for those
 50 2012-05-14 01:04:38 <gmaxwell> ha. how many blocks deep their oldest mined competator is?
 51 2012-05-14 01:04:39 <luke-jr> maybe add a "conflicts" key with an Array of conflicting txids
 52 2012-05-14 01:04:44 <luke-jr> right
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 59 2012-05-14 01:22:39 <jgarzik> anyone object to simply opening all our databases at startup?
 60 2012-05-14 01:22:45 <jgarzik> rather than opening and closing all the time
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 79 2012-05-14 02:44:24 <gmaxwell> Hilarious: I'm apparently banned on bitcoin.stackexchange.com, even though I've (probably) never posted there, and if I have I'm sure I was helpful.
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 97 2012-05-14 04:03:27 <jgarzik> sipa gmaxwell: I'm trying to locate where we actually use nested BDB transactions.  Any ideas?
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 99 2012-05-14 04:04:16 <jgarzik> grepping for TxnBegin and TxnCommit does not help -- cannot find any obvious path that recurses or iterates through TxnBegin or TxnCommit
100 2012-05-14 04:13:13 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: wizeman opened issue 1294 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1294>
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102 2012-05-14 04:25:00 <Cory> When considering competing blockchains, is cumulative difficulty taken into account, or just the number of blocks?
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104 2012-05-14 04:25:52 <splatster> Cory: The former IIRC.
105 2012-05-14 04:27:54 <Cory> You're right. ""Length" is calculated as total combined difficulty of that chain, not number of blocks, though this distinction is only important in the context of a few potential attacks." - https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Blockchain
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120 2012-05-14 05:19:37 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: jgarzik opened pull request 1295 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1295>
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122 2012-05-14 05:31:48 <bobnormal> having problems compiling bitcoin static, wind up with cannot find -l boost_system even though it compiles fine dynamic. what gives?
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125 2012-05-14 05:32:21 <bobnormal> version is v0.6.0 but have tried git head with same results
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133 2012-05-14 05:56:13 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: Diapolo opened pull request 1296 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1296>
134 2012-05-14 05:58:00 <gmaxwell> bobnormal: your system probably doesn't have a static copy of boost.
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136 2012-05-14 06:09:53 <bobnormal> gmaxwell: thanks. i wasn't aware it was a recursive requirement (i don't normally do this). recompiling boost static now.
137 2012-05-14 06:11:18 <bobnormal> gmaxwell: does that mean i need static libcrypto, libssl, libz, etc. as well?
138 2012-05-14 06:11:52 <gmaxwell> Your OS may have shipped static versions of some of these things already. But where it hasn't you will.
139 2012-05-14 06:12:18 <gmaxwell> (e.g. libcrypto often gets a static copy, libz often doesn't because the distros _really_ don't want people using static libz)
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149 2012-05-14 06:43:39 <Graet> ;;seen Ycros
150 2012-05-14 06:43:39 <gribble> Ycros was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 26 weeks, 5 days, 15 hours, 36 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <Ycros> lol
151 2012-05-14 06:47:34 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: Diapolo opened pull request 1297 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1297>
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153 2012-05-14 07:01:42 <gmaxwell> the person with the stuck node that sent me his chain, which was not stuck for me— and for whom dumping the chain doesn't fix it that I've been talking to wrote me to say:
154 2012-05-14 07:01:45 <gmaxwell> VerifySignature() seems to be returning fail on one of the transactions in this block:
155 2012-05-14 07:01:49 <gmaxwell> ERROR: ConnectInputs() : e3d2b843ef VerifySignature failed
156 2012-05-14 07:01:51 <gmaxwell> Then everything goes bad.
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158 2012-05-14 07:01:58 <gmaxwell> I traced back a bit, it looks like the problem transaction is failing at this line of script.cpp / VerifyScript:
159 2012-05-14 07:02:01 <gmaxwell> if (CastToBool(stack.back()) == false) {
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169 2012-05-14 07:30:37 <gmaxwell> http://www2.research.att.com/~bs/JSF-AV-rules.pdf
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245 2012-05-14 11:22:52 <sipa> gmaxwell: idea for testing stuck blockchain: patch connectinputs so it does not allow any txouts that send a particular address/script
246 2012-05-14 11:23:25 <sipa> then spend to that address, and wait until 500 blocks have been created
247 2012-05-14 11:23:39 <sipa> turn the patch off, and watch the fireworks
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274 2012-05-14 12:48:51 <JDADandJSON> hi all
275 2012-05-14 12:49:18 <JDADandJSON> what is the easiest way to find the "From" address for a receive transaction.
276 2012-05-14 12:49:26 <sipa> it has none
277 2012-05-14 12:49:39 <JDADandJSON> ok what is the hard way
278 2012-05-14 12:49:52 <freewil> lol JDADandJSON nice nick
279 2012-05-14 12:49:53 <sipa> a transaction does not have a well-defined from address
280 2012-05-14 12:49:58 <JDADandJSON> ;)
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282 2012-05-14 12:50:24 <sipa> a transaction has one or more inputs, and each refers to the output of a previous transaction
283 2012-05-14 12:50:26 <JDADandJSON> how do sites like satoshi dice send the users bets back ?
284 2012-05-14 12:50:45 <sipa> those previous outputs can have an identifiable destination address
285 2012-05-14 12:50:48 <sipa> they pick one
286 2012-05-14 12:51:26 <sipa> but this is a bad behaviour: the previous outputs are not necessarily addresses that belong to the sender
287 2012-05-14 12:51:32 <JDADandJSON> is this available via the bitcoin json api ?
288 2012-05-14 12:51:41 <sipa> no
289 2012-05-14 12:51:42 <freewil> they give each user a unique deposit address to identify which user deposited it
290 2012-05-14 12:52:22 <sipa> JDADandJSON: if you need to do a refund, ask the sender for an address
291 2012-05-14 12:53:18 <JDADandJSON> freewil: no definitely not, the bitcoin client has no interaction
292 2012-05-14 12:53:33 <JDADandJSON> no Id like to try and code a coin flip site based on the same idea
293 2012-05-14 12:53:48 <JDADandJSON> Im stuck on finding the senders address :P
294 2012-05-14 12:54:01 <sipa> JDADandJSON: it has none!
295 2012-05-14 12:54:13 <freewil> wait so they dont require you to give a withdrawal address?
296 2012-05-14 12:54:21 <JDADandJSON> freewil correct
297 2012-05-14 12:54:29 <JDADandJSON> I think they may use the blockchain json API
298 2012-05-14 12:54:55 <JDADandJSON> its a very cool trick however they manage it
299 2012-05-14 12:54:58 <sipa> JDADandJSON: you can find "an address part of the funds in the transaction were previously sent to"
300 2012-05-14 12:55:01 <sipa> JDADandJSON: that is not hard
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302 2012-05-14 12:55:13 <JDADandJSON> sipa - that would be fine
303 2012-05-14 12:55:31 <sipa> but it is not the same as an "address guaranteed to be usable for refunds"
304 2012-05-14 12:55:57 <JDADandJSON> due to possible multiple accounts on the users bitcoind ?
305 2012-05-14 12:56:04 <sipa> for example
306 2012-05-14 12:56:17 <sipa> or the user not using bitcoind at all
307 2012-05-14 12:56:30 <sipa> in which you don't know anything about how addresses are managed
308 2012-05-14 12:56:57 <JDADandJSON> thats managed by a disclaimer to only use official clients
309 2012-05-14 12:56:58 <JDADandJSON> ;)
310 2012-05-14 12:57:11 <sipa> how about just asking for a refund address?
311 2012-05-14 12:57:19 <freewil> yeah im with sipa
312 2012-05-14 12:57:26 <freewil> seems evil to break the spirit of the protocol
313 2012-05-14 12:57:30 <sipa> that's the only correct way
314 2012-05-14 12:57:39 <JDADandJSON> static webpages, static QR codes
315 2012-05-14 12:58:10 <sipa> how is that related?
316 2012-05-14 12:58:11 <JDADandJSON> but yes, if I cant manage it Id like to,  Im inspired by satoshidice
317 2012-05-14 12:58:28 <sipa> i think it's a very bad example
318 2012-05-14 12:58:58 <JDADandJSON> Id like 0 communication between the web front end and bitcoind server holding funds
319 2012-05-14 12:59:31 <JDADandJSON> hence the desire for working out return addresses and accepting that non official clients will not work
320 2012-05-14 12:59:45 <JDADandJSON> + then its all bitcoin
321 2012-05-14 13:00:06 <JDADandJSON> I shall test your suggestion sipa
322 2012-05-14 13:00:14 <JDADandJSON> it has to be what the other sites do
323 2012-05-14 13:00:21 <JDADandJSON> thanks
324 2012-05-14 13:00:32 <sipa> you don't need to follow the bad example other sites are
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327 2012-05-14 13:02:23 <freewil> sipa: if i have a bitcoind node that doesnt listen and it only connects to one other node (sits behind a firewall) will its ip be broadcasted to other nodes
328 2012-05-14 13:02:47 <sipa> freewil: recent versions of the code won't, afaik
329 2012-05-14 13:03:21 <freewil> thatd be crappy if i did
330 2012-05-14 13:03:35 <JDADandJSON> sipa: the attract is it makes gambling on phones very easy, just store the address in your clients address book.
331 2012-05-14 13:03:47 <freewil> i guess i could setup a small priv testnet and see if the others get its ip
332 2012-05-14 13:04:47 <sipa> freewil: git master had an -externalip= option, where you can set your public address
333 2012-05-14 13:04:54 <sipa> even if you don't listen on it
334 2012-05-14 13:05:07 <freewil> so i could set it to anything
335 2012-05-14 13:05:09 <freewil> like 0.0.0.0
336 2012-05-14 13:05:26 <sipa> yes, but if you have -nolisten on, it will never report any public address
337 2012-05-14 13:06:15 <freewil> but if i use -connect to specify a single peer will that one peer pass on the ip to others?
338 2012-05-14 13:06:44 <sipa> it shouldn't, but i'm not sure about old code versions
339 2012-05-14 13:07:03 <freewil> well on latest
340 2012-05-14 13:07:06 <freewil> 0.6.2
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348 2012-05-14 13:20:10 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: ping
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353 2012-05-14 13:24:39 <luke-jr> so anyhow, getmemorypool submissions can take some time, when the blocks are many KB big. any ideas on making it timely? :P
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355 2012-05-14 13:25:46 <sipa> luke-jr: use BlueMatt's parallelcheck branch
356 2012-05-14 13:25:55 <luke-jr> sipa: …?
357 2012-05-14 13:26:06 <sipa> that does block processing in a separate thread
358 2012-05-14 13:26:12 <luke-jr> bitcoind isn't involved atm
359 2012-05-14 13:26:23 <sipa> oh
360 2012-05-14 13:26:51 <sipa> then i don't understand your question
361 2012-05-14 13:26:56 <luke-jr> when it takes 5 seconds to upload each share, stales are high :p
362 2012-05-14 13:27:28 <luke-jr> sipa: context is miners uploading shares to pool
363 2012-05-14 13:27:56 <sipa> right
364 2012-05-14 13:28:10 <luke-jr> I'm wondering if gzip encoding would help
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370 2012-05-14 13:32:41 <sipa> make memorypool into a full mining protocol; suggested block info contains headers + txids; miner can request txs for those ids if requested; submitted block is header + coinbase + txids
371 2012-05-14 13:34:47 <sipa> by the way, does gitian's make-base-vm still work for anyone?
372 2012-05-14 13:35:25 <sipa> depending on which version and command-line arguments i use, i get very different errors, but none work
373 2012-05-14 13:37:11 <gmaxwell> Not for me (damnit!).
374 2012-05-14 13:37:25 <sipa> ?
375 2012-05-14 13:38:13 <gmaxwell> gitian's make-base-vm,  Well, actually I did get it working, but then the resulting vms didn't work. I'm still due to retry it.
376 2012-05-14 13:38:50 <luke-jr> sipa: that's an interesting idea
377 2012-05-14 13:39:55 <luke-jr> sipa: too much back-and-forth, however, can delay a lot
378 2012-05-14 13:40:47 <luke-jr> GMP does already support getting the transactions Array as hashes, though
379 2012-05-14 13:40:48 <sipa> luke-jr: many miners probably don't need to request the txs themselves
380 2012-05-14 13:40:53 <gmaxwell> but all the txn agreement should have happened before solving a block though.
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382 2012-05-14 13:41:29 * luke-jr wonders if coinbasetxn needs to be sent in a different format
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384 2012-05-14 13:42:43 <sipa> i accidentally deleted my base vms
385 2012-05-14 13:42:48 <sipa> and now i can't do gitian builds anymore
386 2012-05-14 13:42:56 * luke-jr notes using older gitian is trivial
387 2012-05-14 13:42:57 <sipa> curiously enough, old versions of gitian fail as well
388 2012-05-14 13:43:01 <luke-jr> O.o
389 2012-05-14 13:43:08 <sipa> i've tried 5 already
390 2012-05-14 13:43:27 <sipa> https://github.com/devrandom/gitian-builder/issues/12
391 2012-05-14 13:43:30 <sipa> if anyone has a hint
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421 2012-05-14 15:11:12 <BladeMcCool> is there an accepted 'best' source of live(ish) exchange rate data? mostly looking for quick and simple and up-to-date JSON or XML data with current rates ... not sure the best source to look at.
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423 2012-05-14 15:14:19 <BladeMcCool> (bitcoincharts.com is my likely answer, nevermind!)
424 2012-05-14 15:19:19 <jgarzik> gavinandresen sipa gmaxwell: I'm trying to locate where we actually use nested BDB transactions.  Any ideas?  grepping for TxnBegin and TxnCommit does not help -- cannot find any obvious path that recurses or iterates through TxnBegin or TxnCommit multiple times.
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426 2012-05-14 15:23:21 <sipa> jgarzik: i don't know of any place where it is actually used
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429 2012-05-14 15:23:41 <sipa> try putting an assert false when creating one?
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432 2012-05-14 15:33:37 <neofutur> BladeMcCool: you could like my http://p.b.gw.gd/ti/ticker_usd_btc.php or http://p.b.gw.gd/ti/miniticker.php
433 2012-05-14 15:33:59 <neofutur> BladeMcCool: opensource on https://github.com/neofutur/bitcoin_simple_php_tools
434 2012-05-14 15:34:15 <neofutur> add the json or xml formats
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436 2012-05-14 15:39:36 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: wizeman opened pull request 1298 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1298>
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446 2012-05-14 15:49:48 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: sipa opened pull request 1299 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1299>
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454 2012-05-14 16:00:07 <gmaxwell> " We should not use the official Bitcoin client because it's very hard to secure it without large investments and affecting instant withdrawals in large amounts."
455 2012-05-14 16:00:19 <copumpkin> ?
456 2012-05-14 16:00:25 <gmaxwell> I wonder if someone should say something to that— or if it would just be percieved as sour graps.
457 2012-05-14 16:00:29 <gmaxwell> grapes*
458 2012-05-14 16:00:48 <gmaxwell> zhoutong blaming bitcoin for their compromise for seemingly no reason.
459 2012-05-14 16:00:56 <drizztbsd> gmaxwell: who?
460 2012-05-14 16:01:03 <gmaxwell> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=81045.msg899384#msg899384
461 2012-05-14 16:01:04 <kinlo> I think further splitting the bitcoin client in a client/server model would still be a good goal
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463 2012-05-14 16:01:22 <kinlo> but if he says the official client is insecure, he should work with the core team to get the bugs fixed
464 2012-05-14 16:01:23 <gmaxwell> kinlo: er, yes, but thats irrelevant.
465 2012-05-14 16:02:19 <gmaxwell> Moreover, what are you going to use? some crazy custom stuff that burns thousands of bitcoins on your first production run like MTGOX did?
466 2012-05-14 16:03:45 <gmaxwell> And more fundimentally, as far as I can tell he has some impossible expectations.  The hacker got root on their servers, and were able to steal the live wallet the site was actively using to satisify withdrawls.  What possible change to bitcoind could prevent that?
467 2012-05-14 16:03:57 <kinlo> I'm using the stock client, with a few patches but still, not going to trust dangerous code to be self-written
468 2012-05-14 16:04:11 <kinlo> unless I fully understand all that is
469 2012-05-14 16:04:17 <drizztbsd> gmaxwell: hacker with root access can do scp wallet.dat
470 2012-05-14 16:04:46 <kinlo> gmaxwell: the multisig could prevent that
471 2012-05-14 16:04:53 <gmaxwell> drizztbsd: thats not the biggest threat.
472 2012-05-14 16:04:58 <gmaxwell> kinlo: probably not in fact.
473 2012-05-14 16:05:07 <kinlo> gmaxwell: why not?
474 2012-05-14 16:05:10 <gmaxwell> drizztbsd: e.g. wallet encryption can moot that.
475 2012-05-14 16:05:44 <drizztbsd> wallet encryption on a live service?
476 2012-05-14 16:05:53 <drizztbsd> the key must be stored in some place
477 2012-05-14 16:06:00 <kinlo> gmaxwell: you use a service that signs those transactions that 'seem' to be normal, and once a suspicious transaction occurs, the co-signer refuses to continue
478 2012-05-14 16:06:00 <gmaxwell> kinlo: because the same reason that 'scp wallet.dat' isn't a threat.  If I have root I'll just modify the site to have it request a withdraw from all the accounts to me, using whatever wallet access means that site must have.
479 2012-05-14 16:06:26 <kinlo> gmaxwell: but with multisig you need to break into 2 servers
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481 2012-05-14 16:06:30 <gmaxwell> kinlo: This is the live wallet used for realtime withdraws for users initiated from the web interface.
482 2012-05-14 16:06:37 <gmaxwell> No. You don't need to break into two servers.
483 2012-05-14 16:06:53 <gmaxwell> You break into the web front end and just impersonate all users and have all users withdraw.
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485 2012-05-14 16:07:17 <kinlo> that's why the co-signer should have algorithms to detect such abnormalities and halt operations
486 2012-05-14 16:07:38 <kinlo> sure, you will cash-out some coins, but you should be able to block at some point
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489 2012-05-14 16:08:11 <gmaxwell> They _did_ block them from stealing more though, without even needed multisig because the online wallet only has enough for the customary withdraw volume.
490 2012-05-14 16:08:25 <kinlo> true
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492 2012-05-14 16:11:44 <jgarzik> sipa: yeah, I ripped out nested transactions
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494 2012-05-14 16:13:10 <jgarzik> sipa: that's the genesis of #1295 (check TxnBegin and TxnCommit for errors... something we should have been doing all along anyway)
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496 2012-05-14 16:14:41 <jgarzik> sipa: unfortunately the biggest user of transactions is Reorganize(), which makes it difficult to test
497 2012-05-14 16:14:57 <jgarzik> reading the code for recursion turns up nothing, though
498 2012-05-14 16:15:35 <sipa> quite sure reorganize doesn't use nested transactions
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500 2012-05-14 16:19:25 <jgarzik> sipa: the code is definitely a bit... odd.  we start a transaction in CBlock::SetBestChain(), and then rely on Reorganize or ::SetBestChainInner to complete the transaction
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502 2012-05-14 16:19:59 <sipa> yup
503 2012-05-14 16:24:27 <luke-jr> drizztbsd: bitcoind stores the key in memory; just don't set a re-lock time when you unlock it
504 2012-05-14 16:25:02 <luke-jr> drizztbsd: this way, the file can't simply be copied, and if the server is rebooted (on Linode, that was required to change root pw) the wallet needs unlocking again
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506 2012-05-14 16:26:04 <drizztbsd> luke-jr: root access means /dev/mem access
507 2012-05-14 16:26:13 <luke-jr> drizztbsd: sure, but that's a lot harder to compromise
508 2012-05-14 16:28:36 setkeh is now known as SETKEHS-CAT
509 2012-05-14 16:29:04 <gmaxwell> drizztbsd: also means that you don't lose control of the wallet if you lose the disk. (e.g. you're swapped onto new hardware and don't get a chance to zeroize the disk)
510 2012-05-14 16:30:37 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: laanwj opened pull request 1301 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1301> || jgarzik opened pull request 1300 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1300>
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513 2012-05-14 16:34:53 <gmaxwell> BCBot: thats a deadlink mr. bot.
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515 2012-05-14 16:36:16 <sipa> wow, who ressurected that bot?
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518 2012-05-14 16:44:44 <Diapolo> sipa: A few more IPv6 questions. If I use -onlynet="IPv6" should I ever get in touch with IPv4 DNS seeds? See: Added 10 addresses from ::: 0 tried, 10 new Added 21 addresses from 62.155.229.86: 0 tried, 31 new Added 28 addresses from 178.18.90.41: 0 tried, 59 new 69 addresses found from DNS seeds
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520 2012-05-14 16:46:05 <sipa> Diapolo: yes, it contacts all dns server (for now)
521 2012-05-14 16:46:11 <jgarzik> Diapolo: you should get in touch with a DNS seed, yes, because you don't know whether it will return A or AAAA or both
522 2012-05-14 16:46:28 <jgarzik> Diapolo: the code should not -add- IPv4 addresses returned from DNS seeds, if onlynet=ipv6
523 2012-05-14 16:46:38 <sipa> what jgarzik said
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525 2012-05-14 16:47:16 <Diapolo> alright, was just wondering ...
526 2012-05-14 16:47:36 <Diapolo> But I still get no running nodes ^^. Seems the universe is empty.
527 2012-05-14 16:48:01 <jgarzik> sipa: want me to add your ipv6 to bitseed.xf2?
528 2012-05-14 16:48:16 <sipa> jgarzik: no, it's teredo for now
529 2012-05-14 16:48:32 <sipa> i'll update bitcoin.sipa.be to be ipv6-ready soon
530 2012-05-14 16:49:03 <drizztbsd> sipa: why?
531 2012-05-14 16:49:10 <sipa> why what?
532 2012-05-14 16:49:17 <luke-jr> <D> "papa, E. needs a spanking!"  |  <E> "E. does need a spanking, papa"
533 2012-05-14 16:49:19 * luke-jr facepalms
534 2012-05-14 16:49:20 <drizztbsd> why teredo
535 2012-05-14 16:49:45 <sipa> drizztbsd: it works?
536 2012-05-14 16:50:03 <luke-jr> sipa: so does 6to4 :p
537 2012-05-14 16:50:07 <drizztbsd> yes, but it's slow. maybe you can ask for a sixxs tunnel
538 2012-05-14 16:50:17 <drizztbsd> 6to4 is faster too :)
539 2012-05-14 16:50:23 <sipa> oh, i have a sixxs tunnel as well
540 2012-05-14 16:50:41 <sipa> not sure if it still works
541 2012-05-14 16:51:05 <drizztbsd> aiccu is a good thing™
542 2012-05-14 16:51:15 <luke-jr> if you can ping 192.88.99.1, 6to4 should work :P
543 2012-05-14 16:51:32 <drizztbsd> luke-jr: 6to4 does not work with nats
544 2012-05-14 16:51:33 <Diapolo> I would like my ISP to start native IPv6.
545 2012-05-14 16:51:51 <luke-jr> drizztbsd: sure it does <.<
546 2012-05-14 16:53:11 <jgarzik> sixxs definitely still works :)
547 2012-05-14 16:53:33 <jgarzik> obviously that does not necessarily imply your config remains working...
548 2012-05-14 16:54:11 <jgarzik> I trust the sixxs guys to keep their network going, as they have friends in high places and clueful netops at their partner ISPs
549 2012-05-14 16:54:24 <jgarzik> I used 6to4 for years too, though it was slow and occasionally flaky
550 2012-05-14 16:55:05 <drizztbsd> yes, sixxs is the best tunnel :)
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552 2012-05-14 16:56:19 <luke-jr> sixxs would be obsolete if the partner ISPs supported 6to4 <.<
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554 2012-05-14 16:56:38 <drizztbsd> aiccu++
555 2012-05-14 16:56:44 <luke-jr> I guess they're still needed for static assignemnets
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560 2012-05-14 16:59:51 <gavinandresen> I just posted about a critical DoS vulnerability:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=81749
561 2012-05-14 17:00:44 <jgarzik> luke-jr: yes.  the goal of sixxs is to make sixxs obsolete.
562 2012-05-14 17:00:53 <luke-jr> heh
563 2012-05-14 17:01:43 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: the stable versions are off by one still
564 2012-05-14 17:02:09 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: what do you mean off by one?
565 2012-05-14 17:02:16 <drizztbsd> http://www.cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=2012-2459
566 2012-05-14 17:02:18 <drizztbsd> strange
567 2012-05-14 17:02:26 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: v0.5.5 and v0.4.6 are the correct versions with the fix
568 2012-05-14 17:03:04 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: ok, edited...
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570 2012-05-14 17:04:16 <luke-jr> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/CVEs updated
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572 2012-05-14 17:08:41 <gmaxwell> gavinandresen: alert?  Get theymos to do a forum banner?
573 2012-05-14 17:08:55 <gmaxwell> (maybe cancel the last alert and replace with this one)
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575 2012-05-14 17:09:32 <gavinandresen> forum banner: good idea.  alert: sigh.  Yes, probably a good idea.
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577 2012-05-14 17:11:00 <luke-jr> alert: "This client is exploitable. Upgrade now or die" :p
578 2012-05-14 17:14:58 <gmaxwell> hah
579 2012-05-14 17:20:08 <Diapolo> hah what?
580 2012-05-14 17:20:46 <gmaxwell> Luke's proposed alert made me laugh.
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582 2012-05-14 17:20:55 <Diapolo> ^^
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584 2012-05-14 17:21:23 <gavinandresen> ok, alert message should direct people to a web page for more info; how about  "URGENT: upgrade required, see http://bitcoin.org/dos for details"
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586 2012-05-14 17:21:41 <gavinandresen> (/dos page to be created....)
587 2012-05-14 17:21:53 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: I wrote up a critfix page a week or so ago, if you want me to pullreq that
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589 2012-05-14 17:22:15 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: it should use the exact text from gavin's announcement.
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591 2012-05-14 17:22:39 <gmaxwell> In the interest of only disclosing what we intend to disclose we should refer all questions to that text. (or at least copy and paste that text to answer questions)
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604 2012-05-14 18:07:22 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: laanwj opened pull request 1302 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1302>
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609 2012-05-14 18:17:58 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: jgarzik opened pull request 1303 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1303>
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620 2012-05-14 18:38:28 <GayPal> hello all
621 2012-05-14 18:38:38 <GayPal> i was sent here from bitcoin-otc
622 2012-05-14 18:38:48 <GayPal> i am receiving small amounts of bitcoins i do not know where they came from
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624 2012-05-14 18:48:24 <jgarzik> OK, BDB split complete
625 2012-05-14 18:48:46 <jgarzik> let me know of additional feature requests, like a blockchain/ subdirectory
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630 2012-05-14 18:53:22 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: rebroad opened pull request 1304 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1304>
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640 2012-05-14 19:08:34 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: rebroad opened pull request 1305 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1305>
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652 2012-05-14 19:25:03 * rebroad is having a pull request day today :)
653 2012-05-14 19:26:18 <gmaxwell> rebroad: it's helpful btw, when you mention what testing you've done on your requests like you did on the block pulling one, fwiw.
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655 2012-05-14 19:28:36 <jgarzik> testing is for sissies
656 2012-05-14 19:28:50 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: rebroad opened pull request 1306 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1306>
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669 2012-05-14 19:49:56 <gavinandresen> Anybody willing to spearhead a "get translations" effort for  http://bitcoin.org/dos
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684 2012-05-14 20:09:50 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: Diapolo opened pull request 1307 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1307>
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704 2012-05-14 20:36:41 <rebroad> gmaxwell, noted (just noticed your comment)
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707 2012-05-14 20:44:25 <Eliel> gavinandresen: Here's a Finnish translation ( a shortened one ) by me https://forum.bittiraha.fi/index.php?topic=79.0
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711 2012-05-14 20:52:58 <graingert> a minor bug fix release eh?
712 2012-05-14 20:53:10 <graingert> you sent an alert out?
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718 2012-05-14 20:57:21 <rebroad> just out of interest, what's involved in sending out an alert? Is it a one-off action, and the network continues bouncing it around?
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721 2012-05-14 21:01:16 <Tykling> $ bitcoind --?
722 2012-05-14 21:01:16 <Tykling> Bitcoin version vCLIENT_VERSION_MAJOR.CLIENT_VERSION_MINOR.CLIENT_VERSION_REVISION.CLIENT_VERSION_BUILD-g8ff1873-beta
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724 2012-05-14 21:01:33 * Tykling looks confused
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728 2012-05-14 21:04:04 <rebroad> did you run genbuild.sh?
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730 2012-05-14 21:05:38 <Tykling> looking at genbuild.sh now
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732 2012-05-14 21:06:00 <Tykling> does the build need git installed to get the version string ?
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734 2012-05-14 21:08:32 <jgarzik_> Tykling: is that the latest git?  that looks like a bug that was recently fixed.
735 2012-05-14 21:10:04 <Tykling> jgarzik_: no thats the 0.6.2 release
736 2012-05-14 21:11:48 <Tykling> I get an error in the beginning of the build when it runs genbuild.sh
737 2012-05-14 21:12:21 <Tykling> fatal: Not a git repository (or any parent up to mount parent /usr)
738 2012-05-14 21:12:24 <jgarzik_>         /* Usual case. Word 53 indicates word 64 is valid */
739 2012-05-14 21:12:24 <jgarzik_>         if (id[ATA_ID_FIELD_VALID] & (1 << 1)) {
740 2012-05-14 21:12:24 <jgarzik_>                 pio_mask = id[ATA_ID_PIO_MODES] & 0x03;
741 2012-05-14 21:12:28 <jgarzik_> er, oops
742 2012-05-14 21:12:33 <jgarzik_> wrong channel
743 2012-05-14 21:12:38 <Tykling> hah, I'd say
744 2012-05-14 21:12:39 <Tykling> :)
745 2012-05-14 21:14:28 <graingert> wat
746 2012-05-14 21:17:08 <jgarzik_> Tykling: the devs generally build out of git, so building without .git may indeed expose problems
747 2012-05-14 21:18:14 <gmaxwell> Tykling: what are you building?
748 2012-05-14 21:18:33 <gmaxwell> It should build fine without git (now).
749 2012-05-14 21:18:44 <Tykling> gmaxwell: bitcoind on freebsd, the port needs updating to 6.2
750 2012-05-14 21:18:55 <Tykling> bitcoind / bitcoin-qt
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753 2012-05-14 21:19:54 <gmaxwell> Tykling: see commit 1f5a7cef6f2a101bbb7081ddca9f795aa6cbbff2
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755 2012-05-14 21:20:14 <gmaxwell> wasn't fixed until after 0.6.99 began.
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760 2012-05-14 21:26:56 <gavinandresen> ok... i believe we'll need three alerts: one for versions 0 to 40599, one for versions 49900-50499 and one for PROTOCOL_VERSION 60000
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771 2012-05-14 21:35:53 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: Diapolo opened pull request 1308 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1308>
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777 2012-05-14 21:45:06 <graingert> gavinandresen: sorry about my last issue - I have too many tabs open
778 2012-05-14 21:46:02 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: graingert opened issue 1309 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1309>
779 2012-05-14 21:46:39 <graingert> that one ^
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781 2012-05-14 21:47:03 <sipa> graingert: haha
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783 2012-05-14 21:48:10 <gmaxwell> SOLVED.
784 2012-05-14 21:48:15 <gmaxwell> "That was easy"
785 2012-05-14 21:48:49 <graingert> gmaxwell: sigh
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787 2012-05-14 21:49:43 <gavinandresen> bah, alerts will have to wait until tomorrow, too many interruptions today....
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802 2012-05-14 22:06:10 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: osmosis79 opened issue 1310 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1310>
803 2012-05-14 22:09:03 <gmaxwell> ^ do we have a non-stripped build of that somewhere?
804 2012-05-14 22:10:10 <sipa> unsure
805 2012-05-14 22:10:43 <gmaxwell> It's really awesome that we have users who provide backtraces, and really unforunate when they're totally useless. :-/
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846 2012-05-14 23:12:11 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: rebroad opened pull request 1311 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1311>
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874 2012-05-14 23:41:16 <noob_> yo tout le monde j'ai besoin de votre aide
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877 2012-05-14 23:42:12 <sipa> apple: can you speak english?
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879 2012-05-14 23:43:01 <Guest107> sipa no
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883 2012-05-14 23:43:47 <sipa> try #bitcoin-fr ?
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885 2012-05-14 23:44:12 <ivory> ok thank you sipa
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889 2012-05-14 23:53:20 <Joric> i love french pity i don't understand it maybe i'll learn it somewhen
890 2012-05-14 23:53:33 <ivory> Oo
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892 2012-05-14 23:54:06 <nanotube> i can halfway understand it, but can't speak it :)
893 2012-05-14 23:55:17 <Joric> my mom teaches french i don't know shit seems odd but it's possible
894 2012-05-14 23:56:01 <nanotube> heh
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