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  2 2012-05-24 00:05:34 <BlueMatt> uggg...fucking failing harddrive, anyone have a sata internal they wanna send me? ;)
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  8 2012-05-24 00:16:02 <PiZZaMaN2K> i have some dead ones =P
  9 2012-05-24 00:16:36 <PiZZaMaN2K> i had like 3 drives in the course of like 4 weeks die in my drobo lol
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 21 2012-05-24 01:09:05 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: jgarzik: #1246 has in-memory CDB for CreateNewBlock tests, but no CDB-specific testing
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 31 2012-05-24 01:46:44 <jgarzik> finally ran into a situation where the unit tests actually helped me :)
 32 2012-05-24 01:47:49 <Diablo-D3> heh
 33 2012-05-24 01:47:59 <Diablo-D3> I write tests just to hammer my code
 34 2012-05-24 01:48:17 <OneFixt> getting an error (windows): EXCEPTION: 11DbException
 35 2012-05-24 01:48:30 <OneFixt> DbEnv::txn_checkpoint: Bad address
 36 2012-05-24 01:48:42 <OneFixt> .... bitcoin-qt.exe in Runaway exception
 37 2012-05-24 01:48:45 <Diablo-D3> I dont think my tests should be called tests.
 38 2012-05-24 01:48:50 <Diablo-D3> they should be called bastardly fuckings.
 39 2012-05-24 01:48:58 * Diablo-D3 renames stmtest to stmfuck
 40 2012-05-24 01:49:00 <OneFixt> is this a blockchain error? or wallet?
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 48 2012-05-24 02:24:08 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: dooglus opened issue 1384 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1384>
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 64 2012-05-24 03:15:01 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: SergioDemianLerner opened issue 1385 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1385>
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 78 2012-05-24 03:33:00 <Diablo-D3> Watch Live: SpaceX’s Dragon Performs Space Station Flyby In 4 Hours http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/05/dragon-iss-flyby/
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 82 2012-05-24 03:46:56 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: jgarzik opened pull request 1386 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1386>
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 97 2012-05-24 05:07:24 <Diablo-D3> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=81045.msg918457#msg918457
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108 2012-05-24 06:41:02 <da2ce7> Updated Windows Open Transactions Builds: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=77301.0
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164 2012-05-24 09:14:40 <slush> Hello
165 2012-05-24 09:14:53 <slush> I just found that I have debug.log full of "CWalletTx::GetAmounts: Unknown transaction type found, txid"
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167 2012-05-24 09:15:20 <slush> do you see it as well?
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170 2012-05-24 09:20:03 <slush> sipa: ^
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298 2012-05-24 16:21:03 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: Diapolo opened pull request 1387 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1387>
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302 2012-05-24 16:24:56 <jgarzik> sigh
303 2012-05-24 16:25:21 <jgarzik> should the client introduce a rule:  don't relay empty blocks, if time since last block < 1 hour?
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306 2012-05-24 16:26:03 <jgarzik> there is non-trivial mining power devoted to coinbase-only blocks
307 2012-05-24 16:26:12 <GTRsdk> Are there any plans for a big endian bitcoin?
308 2012-05-24 16:26:27 <drizztbsd> GTRsdk: who is using big endian?
309 2012-05-24 16:26:42 <jgarzik> GTRsdk: bitcoin is fixed at little endian.  big endian platforms need to do byteswapping.
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311 2012-05-24 16:29:57 <sipa> i've requested an account on gnu's compile farm (which includes a number of BE machines), but haven't got any response
312 2012-05-24 16:30:42 <drizztbsd> sipa: I have a SPARC in my garage :P
313 2012-05-24 16:30:49 <drizztbsd> SUN Ultra 2 :P
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315 2012-05-24 16:37:21 <jgarzik> sipa: you can always run qemu
316 2012-05-24 16:38:20 <GTRsdk> sipa: would you need the newest gcc or newer than 4.0?
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318 2012-05-24 16:38:46 <drizztbsd> g++
319 2012-05-24 16:39:32 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: I think a don't-relay-lazy-miner's-blocks rule is a good idea.
320 2012-05-24 16:40:51 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: cool
321 2012-05-24 16:41:02 * jgarzik posted to the mailing list, to make the proposal a bit more formal
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325 2012-05-24 16:43:58 <gavinandresen> miners are going to hate having to figure out whether or not they should build on an empty block....
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327 2012-05-24 16:51:10 <sipa> GTRsdk: unsure... at least building bitcoind should work on it
328 2012-05-24 16:52:57 <gavinandresen> Embedding CScript unit tests into the testnet chain is working, but I could use more help writing more unit tests.
329 2012-05-24 16:53:05 <gavinandresen> Nifty hack of the day:  https://github.com/gavinandresen/bitcoin-git/commits/tesnet_builder
330 2012-05-24 16:53:19 <gavinandresen> ... lets me do things like:  ./bitcoind sendmisc "" '{"NOP":0.1,"0 EQUAL":0.2,"NUMEQUAL":0.3,"NUMEQUALVERIFY 1":0.4}'
331 2012-05-24 16:53:28 <gavinandresen> ... to send to arbitrary scriptPubKeys
332 2012-05-24 16:55:59 <drizztbsd> jgarzik: why you don't like empty blocks?
333 2012-05-24 16:56:48 <gavinandresen> validating transactions is part of what miners are supposed to do.  If they all decided not to, then bitcoin fails.
334 2012-05-24 16:57:27 <drizztbsd> luke-jr is racist and it don't include non-fee transactions :P
335 2012-05-24 16:57:34 <drizztbsd> s/it/he*
336 2012-05-24 16:59:12 <sipa> gavinandresen: cool!
337 2012-05-24 17:01:40 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: Diapolo opened pull request 1388 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1388>
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340 2012-05-24 17:10:23 <GTRsdk> sipa: if needed, I might be able to get a Debian powerpc  available for SSH access (with a fairly modern gcc), but it would have to be reverse SSH access as I don't think incoming connections work on it.
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345 2012-05-24 17:11:46 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: sipa opened pull request 1389 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1389>
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348 2012-05-24 17:15:54 <jgarzik> HOWTO for building an ARM virtual machine: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM/HowToQemu
349 2012-05-24 17:16:03 <jgarzik> then run on your normal superfast x86 box of choice
350 2012-05-24 17:18:10 <sipa> jgarzik: ARM can be both LE and BE afaik, but common hardware platforms (and I think the Linux kernel too) locks it to LE
351 2012-05-24 17:18:25 <jgarzik> bitcoin is fixed endian.  the main task is going through the serialize code, and making READWRITE() do byteswapping on BE
352 2012-05-24 17:18:43 <copumpkin> sipa: yeah
353 2012-05-24 17:18:47 <sipa> yes, that's why i want a BE machine to test
354 2012-05-24 17:18:49 <jgarzik> sipa: correct, those ARM-BE is most common, and that's what Fedora-ARM is built with
355 2012-05-24 17:18:53 <jgarzik> s/those/but/
356 2012-05-24 17:18:58 <sipa> BE?
357 2012-05-24 17:19:05 <jgarzik> yes
358 2012-05-24 17:19:19 <Diablo-D3> [01:15:23] <sipa> jgarzik: ARM can be both LE and BE afaik, but common hardware platforms (and I think the Linux kernel too) locks it to LE
359 2012-05-24 17:19:20 <drizztbsd> arm-le is most common (android)
360 2012-05-24 17:19:20 <jgarzik> or you can just do qemu/sparc
361 2012-05-24 17:19:22 <Diablo-D3> its up to the OS
362 2012-05-24 17:19:28 <Diablo-D3> you'll never see arm-be
363 2012-05-24 17:19:37 <drizztbsd> sipa: you can use gxemul
364 2012-05-24 17:19:37 <Diablo-D3> and most arm impls cant be booted as be
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366 2012-05-24 17:20:10 <Diablo-D3> see http://caspar.adterrasperaspera.com/cgit/libugh.git/tree/src/libugh/base/machine.h
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368 2012-05-24 17:21:48 <jgarzik> that's what we see at the kernel level.  android is definitely pushing back on the LE front in huge numbers.  you've still got a lot of BE in the super-tiny embedded space, traffic lights and such fun.
369 2012-05-24 17:22:12 <Diablo-D3> jgarzik: s/kernel/OS/
370 2012-05-24 17:22:15 <jgarzik> all irrelevant.  if you don't like arm, pick powerpc or sparc in qemu.
371 2012-05-24 17:22:16 <Diablo-D3> s/android/linux/
372 2012-05-24 17:22:28 <jgarzik> easy enough to find a big endian platform to emulate on x86
373 2012-05-24 17:22:32 <Diablo-D3> arm is the most manufactured real processor, most of them are le-only.
374 2012-05-24 17:22:45 <Diablo-D3> infact, I think arm is phasing out be usage altogether
375 2012-05-24 17:23:08 <Diablo-D3> mips can be either as well
376 2012-05-24 17:23:27 <Diablo-D3> mips is the second most manufactured cpu, powerpc is the third
377 2012-05-24 17:23:34 <Diablo-D3> powerpc CAN BE EITHER.
378 2012-05-24 17:23:39 <Diablo-D3> lolololol
379 2012-05-24 17:24:02 <drizztbsd> powerpc (G4) is only big endian!
380 2012-05-24 17:24:05 <GTRsdk> my powerpc computers are all locked at BE
381 2012-05-24 17:24:11 <Diablo-D3> GTRsdk: nope
382 2012-05-24 17:24:20 <Diablo-D3> macs are locked to BE
383 2012-05-24 17:24:26 <Diablo-D3> macs are a tiny fraction of ppc sales
384 2012-05-24 17:24:34 <Diablo-D3> well, macs of that time period
385 2012-05-24 17:24:42 <GTRsdk> Diablo-D3: which my powerpc computers are Macs
386 2012-05-24 17:24:49 <Diablo-D3> ppc sales are almost entirely embedded hardware, especially in the automotive and military industries
387 2012-05-24 17:25:27 <sipa> Diablo-D3: GTRsdk did say "my powerpc computers are all locked at BE", not "all powerpc computers are locked at BE"
388 2012-05-24 17:25:41 <Diablo-D3> oh
389 2012-05-24 17:25:45 <Diablo-D3> then thats fair if they're all macs
390 2012-05-24 17:25:56 <Diablo-D3> btw, its rare to see powerpc that isnt be
391 2012-05-24 17:26:00 <Diablo-D3> same with arm and mips not being le
392 2012-05-24 17:26:03 <Diablo-D3> it exists, but its rare
393 2012-05-24 17:26:51 <drizztbsd> mips-be is more common than mips le
394 2012-05-24 17:27:19 <Diablo-D3> drizztbsd: not from what Ive heard
395 2012-05-24 17:27:29 <Diablo-D3> although mips is far more flexible than arm
396 2012-05-24 17:27:36 <Diablo-D3> theres lots of weird little mips chips out there
397 2012-05-24 17:28:13 <jgarzik> 124 orphans and counting, in the past ~hour
398 2012-05-24 17:28:21 <jgarzik> orphan tx's, that is
399 2012-05-24 17:28:22 <drizztbsd> CFE version 1.0.37-102.6 [P2] for BCM96368  (32bit,SP,BE)
400 2012-05-24 17:28:32 <drizztbsd> all the routers are using MIPS-BE :)
401 2012-05-24 17:28:41 <drizztbsd> and the access points and the set top box
402 2012-05-24 17:28:50 <drizztbsd> because network order is big endian (faster)
403 2012-05-24 17:28:52 <Diablo-D3> drizztbsd: hrm, I wonder what my openwrt is
404 2012-05-24 17:28:54 <Diablo-D3> too lazy to ssh in
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406 2012-05-24 17:30:58 <jgarzik> looks like just a few key places in serialize.h to hit, to make bitcoin fixed endian
407 2012-05-24 17:31:14 <jgarzik> we shove all int16/32/64 through one big funnel
408 2012-05-24 17:31:45 <sipa> there are some ugly direct memory copies in uint256 and bignum as well
409 2012-05-24 17:31:53 <sipa> and probably in the network code too
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411 2012-05-24 17:33:51 <jgarzik> indeed
412 2012-05-24 17:34:22 <jgarzik> but some of those are simply treating uint256 as essentially an opaque memory buffer
413 2012-05-24 17:34:47 <Diablo-D3> theres nothing wrong with that
414 2012-05-24 17:34:52 <jgarzik> it's all annoying details to be reviewed and sorted :)
415 2012-05-24 17:35:02 <Diablo-D3> if they dont read/write it, why interpret it
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463 2012-05-24 19:21:47 <Joric> blockchain info app has been removed from appstore 'Apps must comply with all legal requirements in any location where they are made available to users.' bummer
464 2012-05-24 19:22:22 <Diablo-D3> no one cares about ios though
465 2012-05-24 19:22:38 <ThomasV> no one? orly?
466 2012-05-24 19:22:41 <Diablo-D3> and what does a website frontend have to do with legality?
467 2012-05-24 19:22:49 <Diablo-D3> sounds like apple just wants to sell more android phones
468 2012-05-24 19:23:02 <Joric> i own a few iphones, made 6 games
469 2012-05-24 19:23:05 <ThomasV> this will make news, I guess
470 2012-05-24 19:23:18 <Joric> had the same problem with a game with boobs
471 2012-05-24 19:23:33 <Joric> they approved it then removed it after a while
472 2012-05-24 19:23:35 <Diablo-D3> apple is not, and never has been, relevant.
473 2012-05-24 19:23:37 <ThomasV> boobs are not legal?
474 2012-05-24 19:23:55 <Joric> yeah they wrote 'no men or women in bikinis'
475 2012-05-24 19:23:57 <ThomasV> well, not in afghanistan I guess
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477 2012-05-24 19:24:35 <Joric> there actually were no boobs just bikinis
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479 2012-05-24 19:24:56 <weex> i wonder if bitcoin.org should drop experimental and new and just call it an Internet currency
480 2012-05-24 19:25:17 <ThomasV> an old internet currency
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482 2012-05-24 19:25:33 <weex> Bitcoin is the best thing since sliced bagels.
483 2012-05-24 19:26:13 <weex> the first true Internet currency
484 2012-05-24 19:26:22 <ThomasV> the One
485 2012-05-24 19:26:46 <weex> an ark
486 2012-05-24 19:27:03 <ThomasV> the Boobs Currency
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490 2012-05-24 19:27:56 <Joric> ThomasV, i've stuck a bit with ff extension seems more complicated than i though does anyone else try to write it
491 2012-05-24 19:28:09 <weex> a peer-to-peer system implementing international monetary value transfer through cryptographic, distributed message signing.
492 2012-05-24 19:28:32 <ThomasV> Joric: someone expressed interest but I don't think they've gotten very far
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494 2012-05-24 19:29:48 <weex> anyway i see a lot of ELI5 posts for bitcoin on reddit...all you can say it a 5 year old is it's money and that's all they care about(all mine cares about anyway)
495 2012-05-24 19:29:56 <weex> s/it/to
496 2012-05-24 19:30:08 <sipa> eli5?
497 2012-05-24 19:30:24 <weex> explain like i'm 5
498 2012-05-24 19:30:33 <weex> sorry, reddit lingo
499 2012-05-24 19:30:34 <ThomasV> Joric: maybe if you write on the forum that you are trying to do it, more pledges will come
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502 2012-05-24 19:31:10 <ThomasV> I was a bit disappointed by the total pledge (25btc)
503 2012-05-24 19:31:11 <Joric> only when i'll be at 90% or something )
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506 2012-05-24 19:34:20 <Joric> facebook is the new bitcoinica! :)
507 2012-05-24 19:34:52 <ThomasV> facebook? how so?
508 2012-05-24 19:35:11 <ThomasV> because of the IPO?
509 2012-05-24 19:35:31 <Joric> yeah that case with IPO
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512 2012-05-24 19:37:24 <gavinandresen> the facebook IPO was great for facebook, they didn't leave any money on the table.
513 2012-05-24 19:37:34 <Diablo-D3> no shit
514 2012-05-24 19:37:40 <Diablo-D3> he basically just fucked gs and ms
515 2012-05-24 19:37:46 <luke-jr> ;;later tell drizztbsd you mean, I don't assist spammers
516 2012-05-24 19:37:46 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
517 2012-05-24 19:37:52 <Diablo-D3> hes a sleazy fucktard that runs a shit website, but that move alone made him cool
518 2012-05-24 19:38:11 <luke-jr> jgarzik: Bitcoin is a mix of LE and BE
519 2012-05-24 19:39:27 <ThomasV> Joric: post screenshots, and I guess we'll see more pledges :)
520 2012-05-24 19:40:34 <Joric> ThomasV, there's really nothing to post yet i'm still not sure in ui
521 2012-05-24 19:40:47 <ThomasV> ok
522 2012-05-24 19:40:48 <Joric> probably it'd need full blown XUL and HTML clients for both browsers
523 2012-05-24 19:41:27 <Joric> chrome and ff ought to be really different
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552 2012-05-24 20:46:52 <splatster> Any reason why calling "walletpassphrase('<password>',60)" would cause an error?
553 2012-05-24 20:47:17 <luke-jr> yes
554 2012-05-24 20:47:22 <luke-jr> known bug in old versions
555 2012-05-24 20:47:28 <luke-jr> upgrade
556 2012-05-24 20:47:48 <splatster> "version" : 60200,
557 2012-05-24 20:48:15 <splatster> That's the latest version to my understanding, no?
558 2012-05-24 20:48:38 <luke-jr> no
559 2012-05-24 20:48:44 <eian> 60001 I think
560 2012-05-24 20:48:50 <luke-jr> but pretty close
561 2012-05-24 20:49:05 <eian> oh wait, ignore me
562 2012-05-24 20:49:31 <eian> I was looking at the tcpdump of the version message
563 2012-05-24 20:49:33 <splatster> ugh, I guess I have to upgrade.
564 2012-05-24 20:49:46 <luke-jr> nah, 60200 should work
565 2012-05-24 20:49:46 <c_k> yip
566 2012-05-24 20:49:52 <splatster> Oh?
567 2012-05-24 20:50:28 <splatster> Does it not require a password if connecting via RPC?
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573 2012-05-24 20:56:30 <splatster> What is the process for sending funds from an encrypted wallet via jsonrpc?
574 2012-05-24 20:56:46 <splatster> Because I'm obviously doing -something- wrong.
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576 2012-05-24 21:01:01 <BlueMatt> just walletpassphrase, then regular send, should be
577 2012-05-24 21:04:32 <splatster> BlueMatt: So why am I getting an error?
578 2012-05-24 21:04:45 <BlueMatt> whats the error?
579 2012-05-24 21:05:02 <splatster> PHP Fatal error:  Uncaught exception 'Exception' with message 'Unable to connect to http://....
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581 2012-05-24 21:05:29 <splatster> jsonRPCClient->__call('walletpassphras...', Array) is at the top of the stack trace
582 2012-05-24 21:05:44 <BlueMatt> then Id say you need to check your firewall/listening settings, if you are unable to connect
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584 2012-05-24 21:05:51 <BlueMatt> can you send any rpc calls?
585 2012-05-24 21:05:55 <splatster> Yes.
586 2012-05-24 21:06:09 <BlueMatt> can you send manually via bitcoind calls?
587 2012-05-24 21:06:14 <BlueMatt> bitcoind rpc calls
588 2012-05-24 21:06:22 <luke-jr> splatster: what is your error?
589 2012-05-24 21:06:26 <splatster> getbalance works but walletpassphrase doesn't
590 2012-05-24 21:06:37 <splatster> Okay, lemme try to send via command line
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594 2012-05-24 21:08:20 <splatster> Wait, do I have to escape any special chars?
595 2012-05-24 21:08:30 <BlueMatt> depends on php
596 2012-05-24 21:08:39 <Diablo-D3> and php depends on the phase of the moon
597 2012-05-24 21:08:47 <BlueMatt> ^ yep
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599 2012-05-24 21:09:38 <splatster> walletpassphrase from the command line brings me to some weird prompt
600 2012-05-24 21:09:45 <BlueMatt> wtf?
601 2012-05-24 21:09:52 <BlueMatt> we dont have a cli prompt
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603 2012-05-24 21:09:53 <splatster> Just has "> " on a new line and sits there.
604 2012-05-24 21:09:59 <BlueMatt> thats not bitcoin
605 2012-05-24 21:10:07 <BlueMatt> where did you download this bitcoin you are running?
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607 2012-05-24 21:10:20 <splatster> lemme check
608 2012-05-24 21:10:44 <luke-jr> splatster: what is your error?
609 2012-05-24 21:10:53 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: scroll up
610 2012-05-24 21:11:11 <luke-jr> splatster: does your passphrase contain backslashes?
611 2012-05-24 21:11:16 <splatster> no
612 2012-05-24 21:11:23 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: I don't see a full error
613 2012-05-24 21:11:39 <luke-jr> splatster: single quotes? any other odd symbol?
614 2012-05-24 21:11:47 <splatster> It does contain an apostrophe
615 2012-05-24 21:11:52 <BlueMatt> <splatster> PHP Fatal error:  Uncaught exception 'Exception' with message 'Unable to connect to http://....
616 2012-05-24 21:11:54 <luke-jr> there's your problem
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618 2012-05-24 21:12:07 <splatster> So I DO have to escape special chars
619 2012-05-24 21:12:13 <luke-jr> $ echo foo'bar
620 2012-05-24 21:12:15 <luke-jr> >
621 2012-05-24 21:12:16 <luke-jr> depends on PHP
622 2012-05-24 21:12:40 <luke-jr> bitcoind doesn't need it escaped
623 2012-05-24 21:12:45 <luke-jr> JSON shouldn't.
624 2012-05-24 21:13:02 <luke-jr> it looks to me like PHP's URI handler might
625 2012-05-24 21:16:32 <splatster> Ugh, shit.
626 2012-05-24 21:16:55 <splatster> It seems that having the apostrophe when calling encrypt wallet messed it all up.
627 2012-05-24 21:17:52 <splatster> Can one of the devs help me sort this out in PM?
628 2012-05-24 21:18:12 <splatster> Imma have to reveal my password
629 2012-05-24 21:18:29 <BlueMatt> just remove the apostrophy from the pass?
630 2012-05-24 21:18:44 <splatster> Nope, incorrect pw
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632 2012-05-24 21:20:01 <splatster> BlueMatt: PM please
633 2012-05-24 21:20:38 <BlueMatt> why cant you escape the ' with a \ and change it in bash?
634 2012-05-24 21:20:49 <BlueMatt> that should always work
635 2012-05-24 21:21:45 <splatster> Because it says that that pw is incorrect
636 2012-05-24 21:22:35 <BlueMatt> use echo t omake sure you have the pass escaping correctly
637 2012-05-24 21:22:41 <BlueMatt> then try bitcoind again
638 2012-05-24 21:23:01 <splatster> Yes, it's escaping fine
639 2012-05-24 21:23:22 <BlueMatt> then your pass is incorrect
640 2012-05-24 21:23:47 <BlueMatt> try opening the wallet in bitcoin-qt?
641 2012-05-24 21:24:02 <splatster> I encrypted the wallet without escaping the apostrophe
642 2012-05-24 21:24:09 <splatster> And I think now it's totally fucked
643 2012-05-24 21:24:28 <BlueMatt> hmmm....do you have the exact command used in your .bash_history?
644 2012-05-24 21:24:30 <BlueMatt> (to encrypt)
645 2012-05-24 21:24:33 <splatster> yes
646 2012-05-24 21:24:53 <BlueMatt> try using the version you wrote there to change the pass
647 2012-05-24 21:25:02 <splatster> Yes, tried that
648 2012-05-24 21:26:17 <luke-jr> splatster: I can PM
649 2012-05-24 21:26:22 <splatster> kk
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652 2012-05-24 21:34:35 <splatster> Yay!
653 2012-05-24 21:34:44 <splatster> luke-jr got everything cleared up.
654 2012-05-24 21:35:06 <nicholas74> question: "available to spend" it less than the total amount in my wallet
655 2012-05-24 21:35:09 <nicholas74> yet I have no pending or unconfirmed transactions
656 2012-05-24 21:35:15 <nicholas74> (well, two, but they are for 0.0002 btc and the difference between available to spend and actual amount is like 2.5 btc)
657 2012-05-24 21:35:25 <luke-jr> nicholas74: tried restarting Bitcoin-Qt?
658 2012-05-24 21:35:39 <nicholas74> I'm actually using MultiBit
659 2012-05-24 21:35:47 <nicholas74> but already restarted it several times
660 2012-05-24 21:35:56 <nicholas74> + waited for network sync, it's been like this for half a day now
661 2012-05-24 21:36:20 <luke-jr> ah hmm
662 2012-05-24 21:36:25 <luke-jr> I only know Bitcoin-Qt and Spesmilo, sorry
663 2012-05-24 21:38:50 <nicholas74> I'm currently also looking into Bitcoin-Qt, maybe I'll switch
664 2012-05-24 21:38:56 <nicholas74> question: I encrypted my wallet
665 2012-05-24 21:39:05 <nicholas74> but when I restart Bitcoin, I don't have to enter the passphrase again
666 2012-05-24 21:39:26 <nicholas74> how come? (and can I make it 'forget' the passphrase so it isn't stored anywhere?)
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668 2012-05-24 21:40:35 <sol56> Armory FTW
669 2012-05-24 21:40:45 <nicholas74> armory, u say? :)
670 2012-05-24 21:40:46 <nicholas74> ok
671 2012-05-24 21:40:56 <nicholas74> oh hmm, I'm looking at the transaction details,
672 2012-05-24 21:41:22 <nicholas74> apparently the missing 2.5btc is 'change' that is supposed to be transferred back to me, but it isn't confirmed yet
673 2012-05-24 21:42:27 <luke-jr> O.o
674 2012-05-24 21:42:42 <luke-jr> weird, change should be available before confirming
675 2012-05-24 21:42:49 <splatster> That ^
676 2012-05-24 21:42:49 <luke-jr> imo
677 2012-05-24 21:43:27 <Eliel_> nicholas74: 0.0002 transaction needs to have a transaction fee to actually get accepted into a block.
678 2012-05-24 21:43:39 <Eliel_> did it have a fee?
679 2012-05-24 21:44:34 <nicholas74> yes
680 2012-05-24 21:44:43 <nicholas74> but now that you mention it,
681 2012-05-24 21:44:57 <nicholas74> transactions without fee, will they NOT get processed at all? or just very unlikely?
682 2012-05-24 21:45:24 <Eliel_> nicholas74: it depends, however, if one of the outputs is small enough, the transaction will always require a fee
683 2012-05-24 21:45:36 <Eliel_> some transactions will go through just fine without a feee
684 2012-05-24 21:45:56 <nicholas74> and if I'm running a bitcoin client (not a miner, just MultiBit or Bitcoin-Qt) will I be processing transactions myself as well? or does that only occur at mining nodes?
685 2012-05-24 21:46:19 <Eliel_> with multibit? no
686 2012-05-24 21:47:06 <Eliel_> with bitcoin-qt, your client will be checking the validity of every transaction you get as well as verify the blockchain. However, you won't be doing any mining unless you set that up separately.
687 2012-05-24 21:47:16 <luke-jr> nicholas74: they should eventually
688 2012-05-24 21:48:17 <nicholas74> Eliel_: ok thx, no sure, I don't care about mining, but processing transactions (thus helping the network) would be nice. But i understand multibit (which I currently use) doesn't do that
689 2012-05-24 21:48:31 <luke-jr> nicholas74: mining *is* processing transactions (in that sense)
690 2012-05-24 21:48:46 <luke-jr> the self-validation that Bitcoin-Qt does doesn't help anyone
691 2012-05-24 21:48:54 <nicholas74> oh ok
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693 2012-05-24 21:49:30 <luke-jr> (though, Bitcoin-Qt *does* help the network in other ways)
694 2012-05-24 21:49:57 <nicholas74> luke-jr: how exactly?
695 2012-05-24 21:50:19 <luke-jr> nicholas74: providing a listening node for peers to connect to, and relaying blocks and transactions to others
696 2012-05-24 21:50:30 <luke-jr> nicholas74: for example, a new user needs to download the blockchain from an existing one
697 2012-05-24 21:50:38 <nicholas74> ah right
698 2012-05-24 21:50:40 <luke-jr> MultiBit doesn't have the blockchain, so it can't upload
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700 2012-05-24 21:50:43 <nicholas74> and I'm providing it (along with 7 other ppl)
701 2012-05-24 21:51:03 <luke-jr> actually, Bitcoin-Qt only downloads it from the first peer :p
702 2012-05-24 21:51:14 <nicholas74> oh hehe :)
703 2012-05-24 21:51:26 <nicholas74> but ok, i see the point
704 2012-05-24 21:51:33 <nicholas74> by the way,
705 2012-05-24 21:51:41 <nicholas74> question: just tried Bitcoin-Qt (lates version) and I encrypted my wallet
706 2012-05-24 21:51:46 <nicholas74> but when I restart Bitcoin-Qt, I don't have to enter the passphrase again
707 2012-05-24 21:51:49 <nicholas74> how come? (and can I make it 'forget' the passphrase so it isn't stored anywhere?)
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710 2012-05-24 21:52:52 <luke-jr> nicholas74: it only needs the passphrase to send
711 2012-05-24 21:53:03 <luke-jr> and it cannot be decrypted permanently yet
712 2012-05-24 21:53:12 <luke-jr> (though you can change it to somethign simple)
713 2012-05-24 21:53:51 <Diablo-D3> [05:48:33] <Diablo-D3> https://news.ycombinator.com/newest
714 2012-05-24 21:53:51 <Diablo-D3> [05:48:38] <Diablo-D3> see those two stories from me?
715 2012-05-24 21:53:52 <Diablo-D3> [05:48:42] <Diablo-D3> grep for bitcoin
716 2012-05-24 21:53:54 <Diablo-D3> [05:48:44] <Diablo-D3> upvote those
717 2012-05-24 21:53:56 <Diablo-D3> [05:48:59] <Diablo-D3> this should get around the HN rules of basically blocking popular stories
718 2012-05-24 21:54:00 <nicholas74> luke-jr: ok thx
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736 2012-05-24 22:42:19 <nicholas74> with Bitcoin-Qt, is it possible to store my wallet.dat in another location than the default %AppData%\Bitcoin ?
737 2012-05-24 22:42:24 <nicholas74> (on windows)
738 2012-05-24 22:42:45 <nicholas74> more particularly, can I put it in a truecrypt container?
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740 2012-05-24 22:45:29 <luke-jr> nicholas74: maybe with a symlink
741 2012-05-24 22:45:55 <luke-jr> nicholas74: also, wallet.dat may be in a volatile state without the database/ subdir while it's running
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743 2012-05-24 22:46:11 <luke-jr> and the database/ subdir may contain sensitive info
744 2012-05-24 22:46:15 <luke-jr> as might other database files
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747 2012-05-24 22:49:24 <nicholas74> luke-jr: hmm ok, then could I have my entire Bitcoin data dir on a custom location? (instead of %appdata%)
748 2012-05-24 22:49:36 <luke-jr> nicholas74: yes, -datadir option
749 2012-05-24 22:49:41 <nicholas74> ok cool
750 2012-05-24 22:50:28 <nicholas74> btw, would it also be safe to put my Bitcoin datadir in a Dropbox drive? (ofcourse only if my wallet is encrypted)
751 2012-05-24 22:50:38 <nicholas74> to have it automatically backed up?
752 2012-05-24 22:51:05 <luke-jr> sounds slow
753 2012-05-24 22:51:20 <luke-jr> I would use the Backup Wallet function :p
754 2012-05-24 22:51:30 <nicholas74> well the thing is
755 2012-05-24 22:51:33 <nicholas74> I have to do that manually
756 2012-05-24 22:51:47 <nicholas74> whereas when using dropbox it's done auto
757 2012-05-24 22:52:01 <nicholas74> but I now see that the blockchain data is in the datadir as well
758 2012-05-24 22:52:08 <nicholas74> I wouldn't like to dropbox that :)
759 2012-05-24 22:52:42 <nicholas74> luke-jr: btw when u said <luke-jr> and the database/ subdir may contain sensitive info
760 2012-05-24 22:52:48 <nicholas74> does that still hold even if my wallet is encrypted?
761 2012-05-24 22:52:52 <luke-jr> not sure
762 2012-05-24 22:52:53 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: dropbox shouldnt be bad, its as fast as local disk, just slow syncing
763 2012-05-24 22:53:22 <BlueMatt> it wont contain private keys, but it will still contain a list of pubkeys which belong to you
764 2012-05-24 22:53:32 <nicholas74> hmm ok
765 2012-05-24 22:53:45 <nicholas74> well that's not a big deal for now, but I'll keep that in mind
766 2012-05-24 22:55:31 <nicholas74> I guess there's not an option to keep the blockchain data in another dir than my wallet / logs / database stuff ?
767 2012-05-24 22:55:51 <luke-jr> nicholas74: it's part of the same database environment, for now
768 2012-05-24 22:55:54 <BlueMatt> not atm
769 2012-05-24 22:56:07 <nicholas74> i.e. one dir for 'public' stuff (that everybody can obtain from the network) and one for 'personal' stuff (with my wallet and that other sensitive data like my public addresses etc)
770 2012-05-24 22:56:16 <nicholas74> ok
771 2012-05-24 22:57:05 <jgarzik> quote:  SatoshiDice are now responsible for 122 MB of blockchain and more than 50% of transactions since Apr 18, 2012.
772 2012-05-24 22:57:08 <nicholas74> oh, and about the transaction fee.. I noticed in Bitcoin-Qt it's specified as "fee per Kb" whereas in MultiBit I just specify a fee
773 2012-05-24 22:57:16 <jgarzik> wow
774 2012-05-24 22:57:20 <nicholas74> satoshidice? SRSLY?? :)
775 2012-05-24 22:57:22 <jgarzik> we need to look into transaction pruning
776 2012-05-24 23:00:07 <freewil> whos going to start the fb group to pressure miners to increase fees on satoshidice?
777 2012-05-24 23:03:45 <luke-jr> freewil: they're paying fees
778 2012-05-24 23:04:25 <freewil> averaging 0.005/KB ?
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780 2012-05-24 23:04:59 <luke-jr> dunno
781 2012-05-24 23:05:02 <freewil> i would like to see a troll create a fb group like that though mocking those gas protest groups
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786 2012-05-24 23:12:15 <nicholas74> btw, is the fee supposed to be charged per KB?
787 2012-05-24 23:12:25 <nicholas74> instead of just a fixed fee for a particular transaction?
788 2012-05-24 23:13:14 <BlueMatt> the satoshi client cares about per kb, but its up to the miner what they want to charge
789 2012-05-24 23:14:03 <freewil> that is per 1024 bytes?
790 2012-05-24 23:14:09 <luke-jr> 1000 with Satoshi
791 2012-05-24 23:14:12 <luke-jr> Eligius uses 1024
792 2012-05-24 23:14:34 <freewil> good to know
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795 2012-05-24 23:19:51 <RedEmerald> doing some more with next-test in a TorBox workstation.  seems to be working great so far
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797 2012-05-24 23:25:33 <nicholas74> just to avoid confusion: with 'the satoshi client' u mean Bitcoin-Qt right?
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799 2012-05-24 23:26:36 <freewil> nicholas74, bitcoin-qt is the gui part of the satoshi client
800 2012-05-24 23:26:47 <freewil> the satoshi client could always refer to the non-gui bitcoind part
801 2012-05-24 23:26:58 <freewil> *could also
802 2012-05-24 23:27:26 <nicholas74> ah right ok
803 2012-05-24 23:31:46 <luke-jr> nicholas74: technically, Bitcoin-Qt is wumpus's client, but it uses the core protocol implementation by Satoshi :p
804 2012-05-24 23:32:01 <luke-jr> bitcoind is the only client that truly goes back to Satoshi now
805 2012-05-24 23:32:29 <nicholas74> oh, so Bitcoin-Qt is not just bitcoind with a fancy gui on top?
806 2012-05-24 23:33:13 <luke-jr> no, bitcoind's API is not sufficient for a GUI
807 2012-05-24 23:33:19 <luke-jr> Bitcoin-Qt links to internals
808 2012-05-24 23:33:39 <luke-jr> (Spesmilo tried to be a GUI on top of bitcoind's interface)
809 2012-05-24 23:34:39 <luke-jr> FWIW, it seems that BIP16 backport doesn't actually work after all, or something
810 2012-05-24 23:34:57 <BlueMatt> is there any plan for ending the merge window on 0.7?
811 2012-05-24 23:35:17 <gmaxwell> er.. there is a lot of stuff still pending.
812 2012-05-24 23:35:40 <BlueMatt> yea, and when are pending things given up on?>
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814 2012-05-24 23:36:11 <gmaxwell> "Not yet"
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820 2012-05-24 23:40:49 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: by pending, that includes stuff that was ACK'd for 0.7 before 0.6 :P
821 2012-05-24 23:41:04 <luke-jr> including at least one crash fix
822 2012-05-24 23:41:33 <luke-jr> ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 968a692ab9 P2SH VerifySignature failed
823 2012-05-24 23:41:43 <luke-jr> anyhow, ^ is supposed to be a valid active P2SH, right?
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828 2012-05-24 23:48:24 <luke-jr> wait a sec
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830 2012-05-24 23:48:33 <luke-jr> 968a692ab9's P2SH script is OP_FALSE
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832 2012-05-24 23:55:49 <luke-jr> hmm, no. blockchain.info lies
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834 2012-05-24 23:57:02 <luke-jr> OP_0 3045022100939d7023833aaffcb0dc2e6a0065316b90b7987bf3f4d99c5bc8811811782f34022064b5c3ef966e3312d615a06a3119d7599f12621bb92ac5cf1d971ef1ad9c8a6501 30440220394151fb40edd54326fa829ec571165a5e9168484293fd77e3713a35a701b43b02206b0fff8488597790e2f6d62847cde16de3234439800f019423e7bef88131186201 [ OP_2 032c6aa78662cc43a3bb0f8f850d0c45e18d0a49c61ec69db87e072c88d7a9b6e9 0353581fd2fc745d17264af8cb8cd507d82c9658962567218965e750590e41c41e
835 2012-05-24 23:57:04 <luke-jr> 024fe45dd4749347d281fd5348f56e883ee3a00903af899301ac47ba90f904854f OP_3 OP_CHECKMULTISIG ]
836 2012-05-24 23:57:56 <Diablo-D3> wat
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838 2012-05-24 23:58:52 <KingKatari> I am having trouble importing a prive key for a vanity address
839 2012-05-24 23:59:01 <KingKatari> i keep getting error: {"code":-4,"message":"Error adding key to wallet"}
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