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  2 2012-06-07 00:03:51 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: TheBlueMatt reopened pull request 1233 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1233> || TheBlueMatt opened pull request 1429 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1429>
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  8 2012-06-07 00:37:56 <amtran> i dont understand the difficulty adjustment algo
  9 2012-06-07 00:38:07 <amtran> i am reading bitcoin source code
 10 2012-06-07 00:38:24 <amtran> and someone on the forum claims it is a 2016 pt low pass fir filter
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 12 2012-06-07 00:39:25 <amtran> but to me it seems to be nothing more than a crude rate adjustment based on how much time has passed in 2016 blocks
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 14 2012-06-07 00:40:11 <amtran> based on the time the person that mined the block claimed
 15 2012-06-07 00:40:29 <sipa> both are correct
 16 2012-06-07 00:40:54 <amtran> i dont see filter coefficients or an integration
 17 2012-06-07 00:41:01 <amtran> how is the fir interpretation correct
 18 2012-06-07 00:42:12 <amtran> does the difficulty adjustment change in later versions of bitcoin ( i am looking at an early version for simplicity)
 19 2012-06-07 00:42:47 <amtran> if it was an fir filter there would have to be a convolution!!
 20 2012-06-07 00:43:52 <sipa> no, you are right
 21 2012-06-07 00:44:07 <amtran> please join me in looking at this...
 22 2012-06-07 00:44:11 <sipa> i believed the definition for a FIR was less strict
 23 2012-06-07 00:44:11 <amtran> main.c unsigned int GetNextWorkRequired(const CBlockIndex* pindexLast)
 24 2012-06-07 00:45:17 <amtran> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=46498.msg554106#msg554106
 25 2012-06-07 00:45:24 <amtran> i cant understand what the hell he is saying!!!
 26 2012-06-07 00:46:04 <amtran> he sounds like he knows signals and systems but his interpretation of the difficulty adjusment i can't understand
 27 2012-06-07 00:47:24 <amtran> i think the key here is his meaning of the phrase "subsampling"
 28 2012-06-07 00:50:43 <amtran> i dont understand the point of saying "low pass FIR filter" if your subsampler has as many taps as your filter!
 29 2012-06-07 00:50:55 <amtran> one tap FIR low pass filter?
 30 2012-06-07 00:51:19 <amtran> does this guy "2112" ever come onto irc
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101 2012-06-07 02:57:55 <D34TH> sipa: i think that cosmetic issue runs deeper than purely cosmetic
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103 2012-06-07 02:58:19 <D34TH> after about 2 hours of a node being alive it suddenly reports diff is 1 until restarted
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240 2012-06-07 07:41:29 <Habbie> how is a txid generated? is it simply a hash of the transaction?
241 2012-06-07 07:41:56 <sipa> yes
242 2012-06-07 07:42:26 <Habbie> thanks
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253 2012-06-07 08:44:31 <weex> it would be better if bitcoin-qt estimated and showed minutes left in syncing rather than the three lines when one hovers over the orange spinning arrows
254 2012-06-07 08:44:46 <weex> the percent complete is going to be increasingly meaningless
255 2012-06-07 08:46:30 <weex> I'd rather see:  Block 182991 (402 left to download)
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257 2012-06-07 08:47:06 <weex> oh it says that
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284 2012-06-07 11:03:25 <TheSeven> is there an RPC call that returns all accounts with their balances and all associated addresses?
285 2012-06-07 11:04:05 <TheSeven> or do I have to use listaccounts and then getaddressesbyaccount for each account?
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288 2012-06-07 11:10:23 <freewil> TheSeven, yup pretty sure you answered your own question
289 2012-06-07 11:10:40 <TheSeven> well, that's one thing it's badly lacking then
290 2012-06-07 11:10:54 <TheSeven> along with stuff like renaming accounts or retroactively changing transaction comments
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292 2012-06-07 11:13:56 <freewil> yeah maybe
293 2012-06-07 11:14:10 <freewil> i think all that can be accomplished now with the lower-level existing commands
294 2012-06-07 11:14:15 <freewil> except for changing tx commits
295 2012-06-07 11:14:18 <freewil> comments*
296 2012-06-07 11:14:23 <freewil> can that be done in the gui?
297 2012-06-07 11:32:11 <sipa> accounts are not exposed at all in the gui
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320 2012-06-07 12:46:16 <TheSeven> freewil: listreceivedbyaddress can be abused to get all addresses from all accounts :)
321 2012-06-07 12:46:49 <freewil> ha, hows that
322 2012-06-07 12:47:01 <TheSeven> so just two requests total
323 2012-06-07 12:48:14 <freewil> that wont give you the addresses if nothing has been sent to them yet though
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325 2012-06-07 12:49:45 <TheSeven> there's an includeempty flag :)
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334 2012-06-07 13:14:19 <TheSeven> what the hell...
335 2012-06-07 13:14:30 <TheSeven> listaccounts seems to omit some accounts
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337 2012-06-07 13:37:40 <freewil> TheSeven, what do you mean?
338 2012-06-07 13:38:58 <TheSeven> freewil: well, listreceivedbyaddress returns addresses that are owned by accounts that weren't returned by listacounts
339 2012-06-07 13:39:46 <freewil> are you calling it with minconf=0
340 2012-06-07 13:39:56 <TheSeven> yes
341 2012-06-07 13:40:38 <freewil> might be a bug
342 2012-06-07 13:41:05 <freewil> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/new
343 2012-06-07 13:41:51 <freewil> if you could put together some example output that would be awesome
344 2012-06-07 13:42:31 <TheSeven> ah, I think I have an idea what might be going on
345 2012-06-07 13:42:53 <TheSeven> those addresses seem to be the ones listed in the "address book" tab of bitcoin-qt
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347 2012-06-07 13:43:10 <TheSeven> i.e. listreceivedbyaddress lists addresses that aren't owned by the waller
348 2012-06-07 13:43:16 <TheSeven> wallet*
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350 2012-06-07 13:44:37 <freewil> i think listreceivedbyaddress ONLY shows addresses owned by the wallet
351 2012-06-07 13:44:42 <freewil> those should be the receiving addresses
352 2012-06-07 13:44:57 <TheSeven> well, it listed the testnet faucet donation address over here
353 2012-06-07 13:45:01 <freewil> on the other hand, not so sure about the gui but the address book probably shows addresses that you sent to
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355 2012-06-07 13:46:07 <freewil> hmm that doesnt seem right
356 2012-06-07 13:46:13 * TheSeven suspects that you can't cause this behavior without bitcoin-qt...
357 2012-06-07 13:46:24 <TheSeven> I see no other way to even assign non-owned addresses to accounts
358 2012-06-07 13:46:43 <TheSeven> but apparently bitcoin-qt abuses accounts to store the address book labels
359 2012-06-07 13:46:53 <freewil> yeah i wonder if its a glitch in the gui maybe
360 2012-06-07 13:47:08 <freewil> either how it stores or retrieves
361 2012-06-07 13:47:16 <TheSeven> should I upload the wallet in question somewhere?
362 2012-06-07 13:47:44 <freewil> yeah that would probably be helpful
363 2012-06-07 13:47:48 <freewil> example output/screenshots too
364 2012-06-07 13:53:29 <freewil> maybe that is expected behavior though
365 2012-06-07 13:53:41 <freewil> if the gui uses accounts to store addresses you send to
366 2012-06-07 13:53:56 <TheSeven> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/23683845/bitcoin-bug-nonowned-addr-in-account/wallet.dat
367 2012-06-07 13:53:58 <TheSeven> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/23683845/bitcoin-bug-nonowned-addr-in-account/bitcoin-qt%20showing%20address%20in%20address%20book.png
368 2012-06-07 13:54:00 <TheSeven> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/23683845/bitcoin-bug-nonowned-addr-in-account/rpc-listaccounts-0.txt
369 2012-06-07 13:54:00 <TheSeven> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/23683845/bitcoin-bug-nonowned-addr-in-account/rpc-listreceivedbyaddress-0-true.txt
370 2012-06-07 13:54:06 <TheSeven> i think that's pretty much all you need
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380 2012-06-07 14:23:02 <Joric> http://www.extremetech.com/computing/125019-mac-botnet-grows-to-600000-274-of-them-in-cupertino
381 2012-06-07 14:23:21 <Joric> a botnet of 600,000 infected macs discovered
382 2012-06-07 14:24:29 <Joric> i wonder what about linux
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385 2012-06-07 14:31:30 <Eliel> Joric: linux is much less homogeneous than macs
386 2012-06-07 14:31:53 <Eliel> that question would make sense if you wondered about an individual distribution
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388 2012-06-07 14:33:43 <Eliel> like Ubuntu or Fedora
389 2012-06-07 14:35:14 <Eliel> however, you usually don't need to install software on linuxes through 3rd parties. That means the only danger is if someone compromises the distro's update system and uses that.
390 2012-06-07 14:35:36 <Eliel> (the only danger for large scale infection, that is)
391 2012-06-07 14:35:44 <TheSeven> oh, some popular software is distributed as directly downloaded deb packages
392 2012-06-07 14:36:30 <TheSeven> just think the non-opensource versions of virtualbox or whatever
393 2012-06-07 14:37:08 <TheSeven> which means you're going to run into the same issues with those apk downloads on android, which are already spreading quite a lot of malware
394 2012-06-07 14:37:26 <Eliel> TheSeven: oh sure, but how large portion of the users install those, what do you think?
395 2012-06-07 14:37:42 <TheSeven> I'd say more than on android
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397 2012-06-07 14:38:38 <TheSeven> or, to think of something more commonly installed: skype
398 2012-06-07 14:39:03 <Eliel> oh yes, skype would be a potential malware vector.
399 2012-06-07 14:39:25 <TheSeven> not only skype itself, but that distribution model in general
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401 2012-06-07 14:39:39 <TheSeven> if people trust skype, teamviewer and whatever there, why not some clever scareware distributor?
402 2012-06-07 14:40:03 <TheSeven> social engineering will take care of that, as it has on the mac
403 2012-06-07 14:41:23 <Eliel> the easiest way around this is to offer safe inter-distribution install methods for most of the stuff people want to install.
404 2012-06-07 14:43:14 <Eliel> educating people to avoid installing stuff through other sources is not likely to work. People won't learn unless it bites them in their own behind if they don't.
405 2012-06-07 14:45:19 <TheSeven> well, I'd be happy if most of that stuff would even be shipped as deb packages
406 2012-06-07 14:45:35 <TheSeven> what I really hate is these shellscript-wrapped binary installers, like the one nvidia is using
407 2012-06-07 14:45:52 <TheSeven> which you often just can't uninstall without lots of remnants
408 2012-06-07 14:46:30 <TheSeven> IMO the easiest way to solve this in the long term is to implement some kind of application containment, like android is doing it
409 2012-06-07 14:47:04 <Eliel> TheSeven: thankfully, most distros provide packaged versions of those.
410 2012-06-07 14:47:45 <TheSeven> of that nvidia thing maybe, but lots of other software is distributed in similar ways without alternatives
411 2012-06-07 14:49:52 <Eliel> most of those are fringe software though.
412 2012-06-07 14:50:06 <Eliel> not used enough to interest malware creators
413 2012-06-07 14:50:42 <TheSeven> yeah, I consider this more of an annoyance
414 2012-06-07 14:50:50 <TheSeven> a malware creator would go for debian packages for sure
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424 2012-06-07 15:24:34 <ciscoftw> i know this question was answered a couple days ago, but i just cant believe there isnt any commands via bitcoind to give connected peer statistics... i mean a retard android app does it
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426 2012-06-07 15:26:08 <Joric> probably intentional, security/anonymity issues
427 2012-06-07 15:26:30 <chmod755> ciscoftw: just add the commands you want....
428 2012-06-07 15:26:37 <ciscoftw> oh is that all?
429 2012-06-07 15:27:03 <ciscoftw> 'getpeerinfo' done. thannnnnnnnnks
430 2012-06-07 15:27:31 <sipa> ciscoftw: i was actually planning on adding that soon
431 2012-06-07 15:27:46 <ciscoftw> sipa: please man, that would be super awesome
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433 2012-06-07 15:29:28 <ciscoftw> the specific info that would be awesome is; connected peer ip, height, time, and client version
434 2012-06-07 15:29:29 <Joric> it actually was the first thing i implemented in my bitcoinj-based client http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/8236/bitcointool201109290629.png
435 2012-06-07 15:29:57 <sipa> ciscoftw: you don't actually know peer's height, only their advertized height at connection time
436 2012-06-07 15:29:59 <Joric> though even bitcoinj doesn't have methods for that, the api is pretty restrictive
437 2012-06-07 15:30:23 <sipa> ciscoftw: you can infer things from sent block invs though
438 2012-06-07 15:30:39 <ciscoftw> what dissector is being used for bitcoin traffic?
439 2012-06-07 15:31:03 <sipa> i know someone once wrote a wireshark plugin for bitcoin
440 2012-06-07 15:31:23 <ciscoftw> yeah, i cant get it to compile...
441 2012-06-07 15:31:54 <ciscoftw> figured it would be more heavily used by you guys... but sounds like its not very important
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443 2012-06-07 15:35:42 <ciscoftw> http://i.qkme.me/366nwi.jpg
444 2012-06-07 15:36:11 <sipa> should i recognize that person?
445 2012-06-07 15:36:36 <ciscoftw> not if you dont watch US tv
446 2012-06-07 15:36:54 <sipa> good, i don't
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448 2012-06-07 15:44:13 <micah> i'm trying to build bitcoin, but I am getting a compiler error: http://paste.debian.net/173316/ -- anyone have a clue?
449 2012-06-07 15:44:41 <sipa> micah: your version of db++ is too old
450 2012-06-07 15:45:28 <micah> sipa: what is the minimum version?
451 2012-06-07 15:45:40 <sipa> 4.7 or 4.8, i suppose
452 2012-06-07 15:45:55 <micah> hm, i am using libdb5.1++
453 2012-06-07 15:46:03 <sipa> huh
454 2012-06-07 15:46:05 <sipa> sure?
455 2012-06-07 15:46:25 <micah> hm, maybe not.
456 2012-06-07 15:46:27 <sipa> (as in: sure you don't have multiple versions installed, and it's picking an older one)
457 2012-06-07 15:46:40 <micah> i see now that it was compiled against libdb4.6++
458 2012-06-07 15:52:11 <graingert> we need a stanard wallet serialization
459 2012-06-07 15:52:15 <graingert> wallet.dat must die
460 2012-06-07 15:53:25 <sipa> we need a standard wallet interchange format - i disagree about a common wallet format
461 2012-06-07 15:53:34 <sipa> and yes, wallets in bdb must die
462 2012-06-07 15:55:06 <Joric> sipa, i don't like the 'sec' in the dumpwallet's json :) did you consider another naming?
463 2012-06-07 15:55:27 <sipa> what would you change it to?
464 2012-06-07 15:55:39 <Joric> hell knows
465 2012-06-07 15:55:54 <Joric> blockchain.info uses 'priv' for all formats
466 2012-06-07 15:56:05 <sipa> after deterministic wallets are done, i'll probably rework that dump thing
467 2012-06-07 15:56:47 * luke-jr wonders what all the pullers are doing these days, with as few pullreqs getting pulled…
468 2012-06-07 15:57:30 <luke-jr> :p
469 2012-06-07 15:57:58 * sipa had other things to do for a few days, gavin and jeff are abroad, no idea where gmaxwell is, ...
470 2012-06-07 15:57:58 <luke-jr> I'm spending way too much time on this stuff anyway, so I'll just take a break ;)
471 2012-06-07 16:00:41 <Joric> sipa, regarding compressed privkeys, noticed signature has an id byte it uses +4 for compressed keys though it's maybe too late
472 2012-06-07 16:07:09 <someone42> is the satoshi client going to use BIP 0032 deterministic wallets?
473 2012-06-07 16:07:24 <TheSeven> why does bitcoin treat generation transactions specially in various transaction listings?
474 2012-06-07 16:07:43 <sipa> someone42: when i implement it :)
475 2012-06-07 16:07:46 <TheSeven> or rather why does it deny the fact that a generation transaction does have a destination address?
476 2012-06-07 16:08:18 <sipa> TheSeven: historical reason i guess; i believe luke submitted a pullreq to fix that
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480 2012-06-07 16:17:16 <luke-jr> TheSeven: I have a pullreq out to fix that
481 2012-06-07 16:17:31 <luke-jr> oops, sipa already said that
482 2012-06-07 16:17:38 <sipa> Joric: yes?
483 2012-06-07 16:17:49 <luke-jr> TheSeven: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1409
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485 2012-06-07 16:22:27 <Joric> sipa, first byte of the signature is 27 for uncompressed keys and 27+4 for compressed thought that could've been used in a key version aswell
486 2012-06-07 16:24:01 <Joric> guess discussing that is pretty pointless now
487 2012-06-07 16:25:13 <sipa> Joric: the reasoning for not doing that is that i felt that private keys and addresses are somehow related; since obviously addresses can't have a separate version byte when they are compressed, i didn't use the version byte to denote compressedness for secrets either
488 2012-06-07 16:25:39 <sipa> some have criticized it already; i doubt it's really a problem - people shouldn't be seeing those too often anyway
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515 2012-06-07 17:28:17 <MrVisioN> hello, i was wondering... is there any way to set up a payment reference within a transaction?
516 2012-06-07 17:28:47 <MrVisioN> I mean, is there a way to add a string, or an int, or somehow a number to identify a transaction?
517 2012-06-07 17:29:34 <MrVisioN> User 1 sends 1 btc to a wallet and adds a payment reference. impossible?
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519 2012-06-07 17:32:03 <weex> MrVisioN: you could have them send a unique amount
520 2012-06-07 17:32:32 <weex> other than that there's no comment field that will show up for the recipient
521 2012-06-07 17:33:00 <weex> the best way to id payments is by giving a unique address to each user
522 2012-06-07 17:33:04 <weex> or customer
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533 2012-06-07 17:57:05 <MrVisioN> weex but that's the cheepest solution ever!!!
534 2012-06-07 17:57:24 <MrVisioN> for example in your website coindl
535 2012-06-07 17:58:35 <MrVisioN> there's a song which costs 0.003 btc, so whenever you want to send those btc to your main wallet you will loose 0.0005btc so you will have 0.003
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537 2012-06-07 17:58:53 <MrVisioN> sorry
538 2012-06-07 17:58:59 <MrVisioN> you will have 0.0025 btc
539 2012-06-07 17:59:36 <MrVisioN> loosing a 16.666%
540 2012-06-07 18:00:18 <MrVisioN> i think the protocol needs to implement a field with an id
541 2012-06-07 18:00:34 <MrVisioN> for example, imagine i want to subscribe to a magazine
542 2012-06-07 18:00:41 <MrVisioN> i have to pay each month 1 btc
543 2012-06-07 18:01:02 <MrVisioN> maybe i want to remember the magazine's address in order to set up an autopayment
544 2012-06-07 18:01:37 <MrVisioN> so because i might change of wallet, the best way to identify the payment is with a reference number
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547 2012-06-07 18:03:38 <helo> i don't think bitcoin is really intended to be used for micropayments
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550 2012-06-07 18:05:32 <guruvan> satoshi certainly came to that realization
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552 2012-06-07 18:08:23 <gruvfunk> greetings all, experiencing an oddity, I think
553 2012-06-07 18:09:05 <gruvfunk> sent btc to an address, took a long while to appear on blockchain.info, but it did, hit 3 confirmations with an estimated 3 minutes to finish
554 2012-06-07 18:09:31 <gruvfunk> but I refreshed and it turned to Unconfirmed Transaction! with Unknown/Never time to finish confirming
555 2012-06-07 18:09:42 <gruvfunk> should I be concerned?
556 2012-06-07 18:10:37 <luke-jr> MrVisioN: there is a way to send an email tied to the transaction, but it's not implemented  yet
557 2012-06-07 18:10:58 <luke-jr> MrVisioN: you're "supposed" to setup a receiving address per payer though
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560 2012-06-07 18:17:00 <weex> also, for such a small transaction I wouldn't look at the fee as a percentage but a very minimal daily cost of doing business
561 2012-06-07 18:17:09 <weex> and yes I know MrVisioN is gone
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588 2012-06-07 19:31:27 <Matt_von_Mises> OpenSSL dylibs do not work. Somehow it seems I have an outdated 32 bit version of OpenSSL when it was 64 bits before. No idea how that happpened. Ergh. Nightmare this is, I've hit a brick wall with my project.
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607 2012-06-07 20:29:27 <BlueMatt> sipa: Im very disappointed you dont recognize the most interesting person in the world
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617 2012-06-07 20:40:30 <sipa> BlueMatt: ?
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628 2012-06-07 20:53:30 <BlueMatt> http://i.qkme.me/366nwi.jpg
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630 2012-06-07 20:59:40 <sipa> ok, no idea :)
631 2012-06-07 21:01:28 <BlueMatt> (its a fairly poorly done, imho, ad for a beer where that guy is supposed to be the most interesting man in the world, and drinks this beer)
632 2012-06-07 21:02:19 <sipa> and who is it?
633 2012-06-07 21:03:22 <BlueMatt> just some random guy the ad campain works hard to keep under wraps: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Most_Interesting_Man_in_the_World
634 2012-06-07 21:03:36 <BlueMatt> sorry, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Goldsmith
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636 2012-06-07 21:06:09 <BlueMatt> hey, IBD with -autoprune is faster
637 2012-06-07 21:06:25 <BlueMatt> (by a few seconds, but still)
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687 2012-06-07 22:35:55 <avengre> does testnet3 qt client automatically solo mine?
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699 2012-06-07 23:05:21 <RastaAssasin> can some shed some light on how new transactions are added to a block why is it that some transactions seem to get stuck even though they have fees attached while newer transactions get placed in a block? Is there a time when all transactions must be put into a block or they are discarded ? N.B. reason for asking I have a few satoshi dice transactions that have been waiting for over 16
700 2012-06-07 23:05:21 <RastaAssasin> hours to be processed and fees were attached when will they be added ?
701 2012-06-07 23:06:32 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: Diapolo opened issue 1430 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1430>
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704 2012-06-07 23:09:44 <RastaAssasin> Any senior bitcoin experts here ?
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709 2012-06-07 23:19:45 <BlueMatt> RastaAssasin: there are no rules, its up to individual miners
710 2012-06-07 23:20:25 <gmaxwell> RastaAssasin: you can't confirm a transaction without the ancestors also being confirmed (earlier or at the same time)
711 2012-06-07 23:20:26 <BlueMatt> (aside from the transaction has to be valid, ie not spend non-existent coins, have a valid signature, etc)
712 2012-06-07 23:20:34 <BlueMatt> oh, gmaxwell is around
713 2012-06-07 23:20:46 <gmaxwell> that blockchain spamming site you mentioned sometimes builds enormous chains of unconfirmed transactions.
714 2012-06-07 23:21:13 <gmaxwell> I have no idea why it does this, you should probably complain to its operator if its bothering you.
715 2012-06-07 23:21:48 <gmaxwell> Also, because they've been making confirmations slower for other bitcoin users, some miners may be handling them with lower priority regardless of the fees.
716 2012-06-07 23:22:12 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: kinda here.
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718 2012-06-07 23:26:26 <RastaAssasin> Oh thanks for the info
719 2012-06-07 23:27:12 <RastaAssasin> I thought about that and wondered iif that could b the situation where miners can choose not to include dice transactions
720 2012-06-07 23:27:18 <RastaAssasin> I though it was not possible
721 2012-06-07 23:27:32 <BlueMatt> miners gladly can (and I know some do)
722 2012-06-07 23:27:34 <RastaAssasin> i thought once the fee was there it had to be accepted
723 2012-06-07 23:27:40 <nanotube> <gmaxwell> that blockchain spamming site you mentioned <- haha very subtle. :)
724 2012-06-07 23:27:54 <BlueMatt> satoshi dice transactions are, after all, very, very spammy and kinda suck for most bitcoin users
725 2012-06-07 23:28:37 <RastaAssasin> but the bitcoin network should be resilient enough to cope with transactions of that nature
726 2012-06-07 23:28:54 <nanotube> and it is coping just fine
727 2012-06-07 23:28:56 <BlueMatt> it copes with them fine, but that doesnt mean it doesnt suck for its users
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729 2012-06-07 23:29:05 <RastaAssasin> :) i get you
730 2012-06-07 23:29:16 <BlueMatt> take a look at your datadir, its 2g, and a huge chunk of that is /just/ satoshidice
731 2012-06-07 23:29:31 <BlueMatt> it also takes significantly longer to download the blockchain
732 2012-06-07 23:29:44 <BlueMatt> like hugely significant, not just a % but huge
733 2012-06-07 23:29:45 <gmaxwell> RastaAssasin: it copes with it fine, but that doesn't make it a good thing.
734 2012-06-07 23:29:49 <RastaAssasin> But at the end of the day all the transactions will get in a block as long as the previous inputs are confirmed
735 2012-06-07 23:30:01 <guruvan> it's kind of gotten to a point wher it might be nice to have the client easily able to send coin from a specific address, so that one might "preconfirm availability of funds" before sending or receiving payments - to avild getting caught waiting for a transaction based on a dice transaction to clear
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737 2012-06-07 23:30:30 <gmaxwell> RastaAssasin: no guarantee of that... they could be delayed forever, especially if the involved parties stop broadcasting them.
738 2012-06-07 23:30:50 <gmaxwell> I suspect that if that site gets doublespent that it will wedge them.
739 2012-06-07 23:32:07 <RastaAssasin> now i'm starting to get scared of playing that spammy site's game
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742 2012-06-07 23:34:53 <RastaAssasin> ok another question, usually i would see the unconfirmed coins show up in the wallet but now a transaction was sent to me and i see it in blockchain but i dont see it in my client any at all how is that ? im speaking of this particualr transaction http://blockchain.info/tx-index/8129067/6eefa00402519cbd3a7551a3180ecdb28b635e97230026e4d53d7be5f7987937
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746 2012-06-07 23:39:09 <RastaAssasin> gmaxwell what do you think of that ?
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748 2012-06-07 23:41:56 <xorgate> so i hadn't fired up the bitcoin-qt app for a while, and now it's resyncing. as far as i can see it's just downloading, but using a lot of cpu time, why?
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751 2012-06-07 23:44:48 <TuxBlackEdo> RastaAssasin, some transactions take a bit of time to confirm
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754 2012-06-07 23:47:34 <BlueMatt> xorgate: its checking blocks, contrary to (somewhat) popular belief, bitcoin's chain sync is limited almost entirely by disk and cpu, not bandwidth or peer bandwidth
755 2012-06-07 23:47:41 <BlueMatt> specifically, cpu checking signatures
756 2012-06-07 23:47:49 <gmaxwell> RastaAssasin: is your client up to date with the chain and have you been swapping wallet files?
757 2012-06-07 23:49:20 <RastaAssasin> client is up to date and yes i swap wallets sometimes
758 2012-06-07 23:49:21 <BlueMatt> RastaAssasin: note the tx you linked is unconfirmed, so its not in the blockchain, also note that some people dont forward satoshidice transactions, and that your transaction may simply be slow propagating through the network
759 2012-06-07 23:50:43 <RastaAssasin> oh ok, i'm just hoping this doesnt get lost in the system
760 2012-06-07 23:51:16 <xorgate> BlueMatt fair enough, thanks
761 2012-06-07 23:52:39 <BlueMatt> RastaAssasin: thats very unlikely, but considering satoshidice's practices, its likely that your transaction may take some time to confirm
762 2012-06-07 23:52:48 <RastaAssasin> How would you determin which pools are ignoring dice transactions ?
763 2012-06-07 23:53:15 <BlueMatt> afaik no major pools are currently
764 2012-06-07 23:53:39 <RastaAssasin> no major pools are accepting ?
765 2012-06-07 23:53:53 <BlueMatt> ignoring
766 2012-06-07 23:54:22 <xorgate> what's the motivation behind not forwarding satoshidice tx ?
767 2012-06-07 23:54:30 <RastaAssasin> oh wheew...
768 2012-06-07 23:54:42 <amtran> they think they can hash faster by ignoring tx
769 2012-06-07 23:54:54 <BlueMatt> amtran: that is 110% not true
770 2012-06-07 23:55:10 <BlueMatt> xorgate: the transactions spend disk space and bandwidth of every bitcoin user
771 2012-06-07 23:55:18 <BlueMatt> (and there are a /ton/ of them)
772 2012-06-07 23:55:20 <gmaxwell> xorgate: not wanting the bitcoin blockchain to grow hundreds of megs a month purely due to wasteful churn from some inefficiently implemented gambling site instead of broader actual usage, with resulting slowdowns for serious transactions where confirmations are actually needed.
773 2012-06-07 23:55:55 <BlueMatt> amtran: satoshi designed the system very specifically so that accepting transactions or rejecting them costs miners nothing on top of standard mining costs
774 2012-06-07 23:56:16 <BlueMatt> amtran: and no pool op doesnt get that
775 2012-06-07 23:56:19 <amtran> yeah but that doesnt mean the vast majority of miners are as intelligent as satoshi
776 2012-06-07 23:56:36 <BlueMatt> (sorry, misread your comment) but still, most pool ops are not stupid
777 2012-06-07 23:57:04 <xorgate> so to be clear, forwarding != 'including the tx in the block youre trying to find' ?
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779 2012-06-07 23:57:40 <amtran> xorgate: yes
780 2012-06-07 23:57:46 <BlueMatt> botnet controlling and virus-writing people likely are, but there is little evidence that plays a significant role in bitcoin mining power (though it obviously plays some role)
781 2012-06-07 23:57:57 <BlueMatt> xorgate: every node forwards, not every node mines
782 2012-06-07 23:58:48 <xorgate> BlueMatt ok but some clients say 'this tx goes to 1dicexxxxxx, let me just not send it to others' ?
783 2012-06-07 23:58:56 <BlueMatt> yes
784 2012-06-07 23:59:26 <amtran> ok i have a question if youre such a clever guy why are you playing satoshis dice
785 2012-06-07 23:59:27 <BlueMatt> more generally, some people dont forward transactions that go to/from very heavyily used addresses
786 2012-06-07 23:59:38 <xorgate> how does a client find peers?