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 45 2012-06-11 01:53:15 <bayleef> I keep getting this in my log btw. Anything I can do about it? It's trying to connect blocks 176947 and 176948. ERROR: ConnectInputs() : e3d2b843ef VerifySignature failed
 46 2012-06-11 01:54:04 <bayleef> is this supposed to resolve itself? It's been trying to connect the same blocks for days with the exact same result
 47 2012-06-11 01:55:11 <forrestv> bayleef, you probably have a corrupt database
 48 2012-06-11 01:56:03 <bayleef> but this is a fresh blockchain download :(
 49 2012-06-11 01:57:46 <BlueMatt> bayleef: have you tried opening with a higher checkblocks?
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 51 2012-06-11 01:59:36 <bayleef> Trying that now
 52 2012-06-11 02:04:45 <bayleef> It's still trying to connect those two, same message
 53 2012-06-11 02:06:24 <bayleef> Yuck. Is this all because of that one block? Postponing 5669 reconnects
 54 2012-06-11 02:06:50 <BlueMatt> wtf? seems like you are having the same, or a similar problem as you had last time
 55 2012-06-11 02:06:51 <BlueMatt> wtf?
 56 2012-06-11 02:07:06 <BlueMatt> you sure you are on 0.6.2, matching the published, signed checksums?
 57 2012-06-11 02:09:07 <bayleef> This is built from bitcoin master, before I was using 0.6.2 but that was also built, so probably wouldn't match
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 59 2012-06-11 02:10:18 <bayleef> I can try with the one from bitcoin.org though if you want
 60 2012-06-11 02:10:42 <BlueMatt> I dunno, it looks like you are getting essentially the same issue as last time
 61 2012-06-11 02:10:54 <BlueMatt> which is really weird, since afaik no one else has seen it
 62 2012-06-11 02:11:13 <BlueMatt> have you run a full checkblocks of all your blocks with full depth?
 63 2012-06-11 02:11:38 <bayleef> This is on the bitcoin stackexchange site actually, block 176947. Unfortunately it went away automagically for him/her
 64 2012-06-11 02:12:17 <BlueMatt> I dont remember, does debug.log have the versions of the nodes you are connecting to?
 65 2012-06-11 02:12:47 <bayleef> Also I tried googling for that transaction, and found an IRC transcript from a couple weeks ago, but noone answered that time :(
 66 2012-06-11 02:15:00 <bayleef> Most of them are 60001 or 40000, there's also a 32400, all reporting blocks=183983
 67 2012-06-11 02:15:18 <BlueMatt> ;;bc,blocks
 68 2012-06-11 02:15:18 <gribble> 183984
 69 2012-06-11 02:15:49 <BlueMatt> have you tried a full checkblocks?
 70 2012-06-11 02:16:14 <bayleef> a -checkblocks=0? Yeah
 71 2012-06-11 02:16:25 <BlueMatt> no...
 72 2012-06-11 02:17:05 <BlueMatt> -checkblocks=200000 -checklevel=5
 73 2012-06-11 02:17:11 <BlueMatt> should take some serious time...
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 76 2012-06-11 02:18:54 <bayleef> mmmm. Well, off it goes
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 79 2012-06-11 02:39:13 <BlueMatt> bayleef: Im gonna go to bed, if you dont mind, can you just send the results when you finish checkblocks, Ill pick it up from the logs in the morning
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 87 2012-06-11 03:01:45 <bayleef> BlueMatt: When you get back... The verification finished, same results as before though. It's now got 5955 reconnects to do, and still can't verify that signature. Good night btw
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 95 2012-06-11 03:32:13 <luke-jr> http://bash.org/?950581
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126 2012-06-11 05:24:36 <wump> BlueMatt: sending a quit to the the qt event loop *does* trigger a Shutdown... it's th eonly way out of the qt event loop
127 2012-06-11 05:25:21 <wump> it calls shutdown() after the ui has been wound down, on purpose, to prevent issues
128 2012-06-11 05:31:08 <wump> christ
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139 2012-06-11 05:54:26 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: Diapolo opened pull request 1439 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1439>
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259 2012-06-11 12:39:24 <BlueMatt> wump: yep, figured that out about a minute after I pinged you ;)
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314 2012-06-11 14:01:39 <wump> ok :)\
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343 2012-06-11 15:01:01 <lukys> Hi, can anyone help me with this error message when starting bitcoin-qt?
344 2012-06-11 15:01:01 <lukys> http://pastebin.com/T6bDydH0
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391 2012-06-11 16:06:22 <osxorgate> other than bitcoind, what are my options for analyzing the blockchain? there are several limitations and i wonder how others would work around these
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463 2012-06-11 18:56:47 <Karmaon> Hi, would it be reasonable to use Ruby's BigDecimal class to deal with satoshi arithmic instead of integers?
464 2012-06-11 18:57:19 <Diablo-D3> no.
465 2012-06-11 18:58:41 <Karmaon> why
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468 2012-06-11 19:02:25 <BlueMatt> because Diablo-D3 hates everything ruby
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470 2012-06-11 19:03:09 <Karmaon> lol
471 2012-06-11 19:03:30 <Diablo-D3> Karmaon: because it really is just an integer.
472 2012-06-11 19:03:33 <Diablo-D3> well, a long long
473 2012-06-11 19:03:38 <Diablo-D3> but I dont know what the ruby type is for that.
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476 2012-06-11 19:05:01 <Karmaon> its converted into a bignum if it can't fit into a fixnum
477 2012-06-11 19:07:23 <Diablo-D3> the maximum number is 21 million * 100000000
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506 2012-06-11 19:54:10 <lukys> http://bit.ly/iPFi3X Does anyone know what this means?
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508 2012-06-11 19:55:57 <sipa> what what means?
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510 2012-06-11 19:57:32 <lukys> Oops, I've coped the link from the description.
511 2012-06-11 19:57:36 <lukys> One moment.
512 2012-06-11 19:57:47 <lukys> http://pastebin.com/T6bDydH0
513 2012-06-11 19:58:06 <lukys> That's the one.
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516 2012-06-11 19:59:21 <BlueMatt> means something in your .bitcoin is corrupted
517 2012-06-11 20:00:01 <lukys> This is a fresh install, by the way.
518 2012-06-11 20:00:24 <BlueMatt> something in your datadir is corrupted
519 2012-06-11 20:00:36 <BlueMatt> try moving the database folder (after backing up the whole thing)
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521 2012-06-11 20:00:55 <BlueMatt> if that doesnt work, try doing the same with addr.dat, then blk*
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523 2012-06-11 20:02:22 <lukys> Ah. Moving the directory worked.
524 2012-06-11 20:02:37 <lukys> I suppose I can safely delete it now and Bitcoin will create a new one?
525 2012-06-11 20:02:49 <BlueMatt> yea, as long as you didnt lose anything important
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527 2012-06-11 20:03:47 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: sipa: is there a problem with the BIP22 subset supported by bitcoind gmp_bip?
528 2012-06-11 20:04:53 <luke-jr> while I appreciate the helpful ideas on improving it and welcome further discussion, I don't feel things out of scope to bitcoind need to have any bearing on that pullreq
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530 2012-06-11 20:08:43 <lukys> BlueMatt: There was nothing to lose. I'm a new user of Bitcoin.
531 2012-06-11 20:08:47 <lukys> Thanks.
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548 2012-06-11 20:27:43 <Cory> I'm running 0.6.2, and as it was updating it briefly reported a balance of 123.456 BTC. Any idea why that happened?
549 2012-06-11 20:28:02 <kiba> Cory: what do you expect?
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551 2012-06-11 20:30:37 <Cory> It's possible that at one point I had 123.456 BTC in the wallet, but I doubt it. I'm just wondering if it ever reports that amount for any other reason. :)
552 2012-06-11 20:31:04 <luke-jr> Cory: I think that's the "form design" example, which should be replaced by the real code before it's shown…
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554 2012-06-11 20:32:49 <Cory> Ah, that makes sense. Thanks
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559 2012-06-11 20:37:53 <luke-jr> sipa: dnsseed is using a lot of CPU time
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562 2012-06-11 20:45:11 <Diapolo> Cory: I opened a small pull to change the initial value to 0 BTC, to not confuse users anymore ;).
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566 2012-06-11 20:46:27 <Blitzboom> i have a question
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568 2012-06-11 20:46:46 <Blitzboom> what is a good standard transaction fee?
569 2012-06-11 20:47:08 <BlueMatt> 100BTC
570 2012-06-11 20:47:11 <Blitzboom> i mean, up from 0, what is a significant step
571 2012-06-11 20:47:31 <Blitzboom> that will make it likelier for my coins to go through without bleeding money
572 2012-06-11 20:48:09 <Blitzboom> BlueMatt: lol, i’m serious
573 2012-06-11 20:48:10 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: Diapolo opened pull request 1440 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1440>
574 2012-06-11 20:48:22 <Blitzboom> i see lots of 0.00050000 and 0.01
575 2012-06-11 20:48:26 <Diapolo> There seem to be little testnet-nodes online these days!?
576 2012-06-11 20:48:41 <Blitzboom> does the former make a significant difference compared to 0?
577 2012-06-11 20:48:51 <BlueMatt> its up to miners ;)
578 2012-06-11 20:49:07 <Blitzboom> well, i’m asking for experiences
579 2012-06-11 20:49:15 <sipa> Blitzboom: some old versions regard anything belong 0.01 as no fee at all; for others it's 0.0005
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581 2012-06-11 20:49:37 <sipa> luke-jr: hmm, no time to hunt the bug right now
582 2012-06-11 20:49:48 <BlueMatt> aside from the satoshi's minfee to be considered non-free, I dont know that anyone can tell you more
583 2012-06-11 20:49:58 <sipa> here it's around 25% with 64 crawler threads
584 2012-06-11 20:51:24 <Blitzboom> then let me ask this way: what do you personally use?
585 2012-06-11 20:53:06 <Diapolo> Blitzboom: I use what the client suggests ... never thought to raise it.
586 2012-06-11 20:53:15 <Blitzboom> my client suggests 0
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588 2012-06-11 20:53:21 <Blitzboom> i mean, that was default
589 2012-06-11 20:53:28 <Blitzboom> do you mean 0.01?
590 2012-06-11 20:53:31 <TD> which client?
591 2012-06-11 20:53:32 <sipa> the client will suggest you to use a fee under certain conditions
592 2012-06-11 20:53:37 <Blitzboom> TD: bitcoin qt 6.2
593 2012-06-11 20:53:46 <Blitzboom> 0.6.2
594 2012-06-11 20:54:18 <Cory> Diapolo: I think the client would show 0.00 BTC, not 0 BTC (for your pull).
595 2012-06-11 20:54:26 <Blitzboom> well, i have a ~1 BTC transaction that hasn’t gone through for 4 blocks or so now. i guess the coins are too young (1-2 days)
596 2012-06-11 20:54:38 <Blitzboom> it’s a rare occurence
597 2012-06-11 20:56:01 <Diapolo> Cory: Yes, but the defaults for the other 2 are 0 BTC, too. Doesn't matter, but at least no one thinks hey where are my 123.456 BTC ^^.
598 2012-06-11 20:56:04 <luke-jr> sipa: is there a problem with the BIP22 subset supported by bitcoind gmp_bip?
599 2012-06-11 20:56:40 <Diapolo> Blitzboom: I mean if a transaction is over size I use what it suggests, I don't use a default fee.
600 2012-06-11 20:57:00 <Blitzboom> ok
601 2012-06-11 20:57:27 <sipa> luke-jr: i have no problem with the code changes, but my complaint about BIP22 remains that it is too complex (not necessarily for clients or servers to implement, but even just to understand all interactions and options to know what has to be implemented), and i'd like to see that cleared up before anything is merged
602 2012-06-11 20:57:50 <sipa> luke-jr: some of your remarks are very right though; you can't do without sigop counting
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606 2012-06-11 21:05:45 <Blitzboom> well, i don’t like coins in limbo
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608 2012-06-11 21:06:03 <Blitzboom> hopefully in the future there will be better advice on how to handle it :P
609 2012-06-11 21:06:17 <Blitzboom> could scare away newcomers after all
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611 2012-06-11 21:06:24 <Diapolo> there is no THE answer I guess ^^
612 2012-06-11 21:06:28 <luke-jr> sipa: I just don't think it's necessary to hold up bitcoind BIP22 support just because bitcoind maintainers dislike parts they have no relationship with :p
613 2012-06-11 21:06:34 <Diapolo> if he knew he was in the dec channel
614 2012-06-11 21:06:38 <Diapolo> dev
615 2012-06-11 21:06:39 <luke-jr> sipa: (though I still appreciate the reviews and plan to address the parts that need it)
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636 2012-06-11 22:04:01 <lukys> How long does "synchronizing with the network" usually take?
637 2012-06-11 22:04:45 <lukys> It was fairly fast at first, now it's been stuck at around 70% for a long time. My internet has been shakey, but it should have made some progress.
638 2012-06-11 22:05:00 <lukys> Second question, will a restart begin the whole thing again?
639 2012-06-11 22:05:08 <BlueMatt> it always does that, and its usually not limited to your internet connection
640 2012-06-11 22:05:20 <Prattler> no, it will continue. If it's stuck, a restart could help
641 2012-06-11 22:05:45 <lukys> Oh right. What are the reasons?
642 2012-06-11 22:06:18 <lukys> Oh, it has moved a fraction of a percent again.
643 2012-06-11 22:06:30 <BlueMatt> you could be downloading from a slow node, restarting could pick a faster node
644 2012-06-11 22:06:47 <dub> its going to take a few days htough
645 2012-06-11 22:06:52 <Prattler> just let it run overnight, don't stare at it :)
646 2012-06-11 22:06:52 <dub> under ideal circumstances
647 2012-06-11 22:07:01 <dub> unlesss you have fast disks
648 2012-06-11 22:07:04 <BlueMatt> download to a tmpfs
649 2012-06-11 22:07:36 <BlueMatt> (assuming you have at least 2g memory+what you need to run your computer)
650 2012-06-11 22:07:39 <lukys> Is this necessary before I make a transaction?
651 2012-06-11 22:07:59 <BlueMatt> yes
652 2012-06-11 22:08:44 <lukys> Ah, and will transactions made before this point wait and still be carried out?
653 2012-06-11 22:08:51 <Prattler> you could use an web wallet service or a lightweight client, but if you're running the official bitcoin client, you need the full download first
654 2012-06-11 22:08:53 <lukys> (sorry for the rapid-fire questions)
655 2012-06-11 22:09:43 <Prattler> clarify the question.. made by whom?
656 2012-06-11 22:10:50 <lukys> I just collected a few millibitcoins from that faucet website.
657 2012-06-11 22:10:57 <lukys> Nothing consequential.
658 2012-06-11 22:11:11 <lukys> They have been sent to my address.
659 2012-06-11 22:11:30 <dub> yes, you will see it when you catch up to the time the transaction was made
660 2012-06-11 22:11:58 <lukys> Ah, excellent. Thank you.
661 2012-06-11 22:12:05 <Prattler> yeah, the transactions are (have been) carried out by the network, you are just not seeing them on your bitcoin client yet
662 2012-06-11 22:12:10 <BlueMatt> you wont see any of your transactions, which you need to send anything, until the chain has synced
663 2012-06-11 22:12:26 <dub> you can technically spend inputs recieved up to the point you have synced to befroe being fully 'caught up' too, if there were any
664 2012-06-11 22:13:06 <Prattler> you can also check your address on http://blockchain.info/ to see if you received the coins
665 2012-06-11 22:13:12 <BlueMatt> you can, but the satoshi client wont right now
666 2012-06-11 22:13:25 <dub> BlueMatt: ? sure it will
667 2012-06-11 22:13:46 <BlueMatt> oh, sorry, misread what you said
668 2012-06-11 22:14:28 <BlueMatt> thought you said you can spend inputs received before having the chain
669 2012-06-11 22:14:53 <BlueMatt> (any of the chain)
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764 2012-06-11 23:05:46 <xorgate> suppose i wish to write a program to analyze the blockchain, what options are there besides using bitcoind rpc?
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766 2012-06-11 23:09:18 <TuxBlackEdo> berkley database reader, no?
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772 2012-06-11 23:26:19 <xorgate> are we sure that gavin isnt satoshi?
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775 2012-06-11 23:30:34 <luke-jr> xorgate: Satoshi is actually Gavin's wife.
776 2012-06-11 23:30:48 <luke-jr> but we try to keep that quiet
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779 2012-06-11 23:34:40 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: shhhhhhhh
780 2012-06-11 23:34:41 <Ukto> debating if thats a compliment or not
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783 2012-06-11 23:36:09 <xorgate> so im using https://github.com/gavinandresen/bitcointools , could it be that it's outdated? getting error trying to access the blockchain but no other process is accessing it
784 2012-06-11 23:38:47 <BlueMatt> its always worked for me...
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