1 2012-06-23 00:00:03 <Diablo-D3> gmaxwell: clang is getting better
  2 2012-06-23 00:00:08 <Diablo-D3> and its kinda nice
  3 2012-06-23 00:00:12 <Diablo-D3> because anything clang does
  4 2012-06-23 00:00:15 <Diablo-D3> gcc can steal
  5 2012-06-23 00:00:29 <sipa> but llvm-g++ should run on linux just fine, no?
  6 2012-06-23 00:00:43 <Diablo-D3> sipa: why would you want to use that?
  7 2012-06-23 00:00:49 <Diablo-D3> what are you trying to do?
  8 2012-06-23 00:01:05 <sipa> Diablo-D3: bitcoin osx builds in gitian
  9 2012-06-23 00:01:11 <luke-jr> sipa: dunno, some ML posts I came across suggest there's no actual build system :|
 10 2012-06-23 00:01:20 <sipa> luke-jr: fun!
 11 2012-06-23 00:01:20 <Diablo-D3> sipa: you have to use clang to do it
 12 2012-06-23 00:01:25 <Diablo-D3> sipa: on a mac
 13 2012-06-23 00:01:29 <sipa> ...
 14 2012-06-23 00:01:33 <luke-jr> I'm branching in bzr now
 15 2012-06-23 00:01:41 <Diablo-D3> cross compiling to osx never works right
 16 2012-06-23 00:01:49 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: you missed out: I did it
 17 2012-06-23 00:02:03 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: yes, and I dont care what you did
 18 2012-06-23 00:02:05 <Diablo-D3> it doesnt work right
 19 2012-06-23 00:02:08 <luke-jr> it does
 20 2012-06-23 00:02:14 <luke-jr> multiple testers using 10.5 to 10.7
 21 2012-06-23 00:02:17 <Diablo-D3> yes, until you find out Im right
 22 2012-06-23 00:02:23 <Diablo-D3> and then I'll laugh, and say I told you so
 23 2012-06-23 00:02:59 <Diablo-D3> sipa: does clang not compile bitcoin correctly or something?
 24 2012-06-23 00:03:05 <sipa> apparently not
 25 2012-06-23 00:03:12 <Diablo-D3> weird
 26 2012-06-23 00:03:15 <sipa> though gmaxwell says it does
 27 2012-06-23 00:03:21 <Diablo-D3> it should work fine
 28 2012-06-23 00:03:29 <Diablo-D3> if it doesnt, that could be indicative of a bug in bitcoin
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 30 2012-06-23 00:03:38 <sipa> or in clang :p
 31 2012-06-23 00:03:41 <gmaxwell> It did six months or so ago.
 32 2012-06-23 00:03:47 <Diablo-D3> sipa: _maybe_
 33 2012-06-23 00:03:59 <Diablo-D3> a lot of the software clang cant compile right isnt a bug, its a missing gcc-specific extension
 34 2012-06-23 00:04:09 <sipa> right
 35 2012-06-23 00:04:34 <gmaxwell> Diablo-D3: thats fairly uncommon.
 36 2012-06-23 00:04:43 <gmaxwell> Actually I don't think you can point to a single case of that.
 37 2012-06-23 00:04:58 <Diablo-D3> I cant anymore
 38 2012-06-23 00:04:59 <gmaxwell> What used to be common were straight up miscompiles.
 39 2012-06-23 00:05:00 <Diablo-D3> early on I could
 40 2012-06-23 00:05:03 <gmaxwell> But thats gotten better.
 41 2012-06-23 00:05:07 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: is boost signals to blame for Clang too?
 42 2012-06-23 00:05:19 <Diablo-D3> clang would emit __GCC__ or whatever that #define is
 43 2012-06-23 00:05:24 <Diablo-D3> and code would think it was gcc
 44 2012-06-23 00:05:42 <sipa> luke-jr: the boost signals problem is in gcc, no?
 45 2012-06-23 00:05:55 <Diablo-D3> clang just happens to do all the gcc extensions that arent absolutely brand new
 46 2012-06-23 00:05:59 <gmaxwell> Yes. It emits __GCC__ because thats what it needs to do to indicate that it supports GCC extensions.
 47 2012-06-23 00:06:00 <luke-jr> sipa: probably
 48 2012-06-23 00:06:00 <Diablo-D3> I mean, now it does
 49 2012-06-23 00:06:08 <Diablo-D3> gmaxwell: yeah, but thats the thing
 50 2012-06-23 00:06:13 <Diablo-D3> early on it did it and didnt support all of them
 51 2012-06-23 00:06:25 <gmaxwell> Diablo-D3: you use GNU PREREQ to qualify extensions, and they emulate gcc there too.
 52 2012-06-23 00:06:39 <Diablo-D3> gnu prereq?
 53 2012-06-23 00:07:54 <gmaxwell> Diablo-D3: http://stackoverflow.com/a/259279
 54 2012-06-23 00:08:17 <luke-jr>    716kB     1kB/s \ fetching svn revision info 5197/159046
 55 2012-06-23 00:08:19 <luke-jr> sigh
 56 2012-06-23 00:08:23 <Diablo-D3> gmaxwell: _huh_
 57 2012-06-23 00:08:52 <Diablo-D3> gmaxwell: the answer above it with the minor and patchlevel, thats what Ive been using
 58 2012-06-23 00:08:57 <Diablo-D3> gmaxwell: when did gcc start using that?
 59 2012-06-23 00:09:18 <gavinandresen> huh, I take it back, bitcoind and test_bitcoin just compiled no problems for me using clang
 60 2012-06-23 00:09:52 <luke-jr> O.o
 61 2012-06-23 00:10:27 <gavinandresen> How do I tell qmake what compiler to use?
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 63 2012-06-23 00:11:31 <luke-jr> -profile I think
 64 2012-06-23 00:11:35 <sipa> http://lists.trolltech.com/qt-interest/2006-09/thread00785-0.html
 65 2012-06-23 00:11:38 <sipa> ah
 66 2012-06-23 00:11:45 <Diablo-D3> doesnt qmake listen to CC?
 67 2012-06-23 00:11:51 <Diablo-D3> er, the envar
 68 2012-06-23 00:12:17 <sipa> its generated makefiles do, i suppose
 69 2012-06-23 00:12:42 <Diablo-D3> I am going to _so_ hate cross platform testing of lugh =/
 70 2012-06-23 00:12:56 <Diablo-D3> Ive written the cross platform code, but I really doubt it works
 71 2012-06-23 00:12:59 <Diablo-D3> Im _never_ that lucky
 72 2012-06-23 00:13:05 <luke-jr> qmake has profiles for macx-g++ macx-g++40 macx-g++42 macx-icc macx-llvm macx-pbuilder macx-xcode macx-xlc
 73 2012-06-23 00:13:30 <gavinandresen> qmake QMAKE_CXX=.... worked
 74 2012-06-23 00:14:07 <luke-jr> interesting
 75 2012-06-23 00:16:33 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: does LLVM/CLang support C++11 at all?
 76 2012-06-23 00:16:43 <luke-jr> guess I should google that
 77 2012-06-23 00:16:56 <gavinandresen> depends on the version, I believe....
 78 2012-06-23 00:17:10 <sipa> ./configure --target=i386-darwin
 79 2012-06-23 00:17:20 <sipa> at least the configure step seems to work
 80 2012-06-23 00:17:21 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: llvm doesnt support anything
 81 2012-06-23 00:17:27 <Diablo-D3> clang is the c/c++ frontend for llvm
 82 2012-06-23 00:17:38 <luke-jr> http://clang.llvm.org/cxx_status.html
 83 2012-06-23 00:17:59 <Diablo-D3> and iirc large parts of c++11 are supported in clang
 84 2012-06-23 00:18:04 <luke-jr> long long is C++11? O.o
 85 2012-06-23 00:18:09 <luke-jr> guess we already require it then
 86 2012-06-23 00:18:14 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: http://llvm.org/releases/3.1/docs/ClangReleaseNotes.html
 87 2012-06-23 00:18:16 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: no
 88 2012-06-23 00:18:23 <Diablo-D3> its a c99 feature that the previous c++ didnt support
 89 2012-06-23 00:18:36 <luke-jr> so since we're C++, we require C++11 for it
 90 2012-06-23 00:18:37 <sipa> it's not because it is in C++11 that it isn't in other standards as wel
 91 2012-06-23 00:18:39 <Diablo-D3> theres a ton of things in c++11 that is just imported from c99 for c subset compliance
 92 2012-06-23 00:19:02 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: no
 93 2012-06-23 00:19:14 <Diablo-D3> you can mandate both c99 and c++(whatever was before 11)
 94 2012-06-23 00:19:25 <Diablo-D3> thats a completely legal specification
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100 2012-06-23 00:49:49 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: did you check in the block checkpoint on HEAD, or just on a branch?
101 2012-06-23 00:50:25 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: branch.  I wrote myself a note to cherry-pick it into head, but probably forgot
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107 2012-06-23 01:06:31 <amiller> copumpkin, http://coq.xelpaste.org/5269 have a look at this, it's a very general security definition for merkle structures
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136 2012-06-23 02:32:24 <jgarzik> huh: http://pastebin.com/MA4CkKz2
137 2012-06-23 02:32:37 <jgarzik> version=60001, blocks=0.  connects, then disconnects.
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152 2012-06-23 03:15:06 <jgarzik> interesting
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154 2012-06-23 03:15:55 <luke-jr> jgarzik: what UA?
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156 2012-06-23 03:16:04 <luke-jr> are we logging that?
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162 2012-06-23 03:48:27 <etotheipi_> question:  what is the "preferred" way to sign installer files in Windows?
163 2012-06-23 03:48:47 <etotheipi_> I can sign *.deb files using GPG and dpkg-sig... is there something similar for windows?
164 2012-06-23 03:49:18 <luke-jr> etotheipi_: probably have to pay Microsoft soon
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166 2012-06-23 03:56:24 <etotheipi_> so the answer is:  sign the md5sum of it and distribute that?
167 2012-06-23 03:56:30 <etotheipi_> how do you guys do it?
168 2012-06-23 03:56:49 <etotheipi_> for Bitcoin-Qt
169 2012-06-23 03:58:09 <luke-jr> gitian
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173 2012-06-23 04:07:36 <GTRsdk> hey, what's the status of big endian bitcoin?
174 2012-06-23 04:11:05 <luke-jr> GTRsdk: I have a branch. It doesn't work even on little endian at the moment.
175 2012-06-23 04:11:32 <GTRsdk> luke-jr: so you've tried big endian hardware, or an emulated one?
176 2012-06-23 04:11:44 <luke-jr> I have access to a PPC server
177 2012-06-23 04:11:53 <luke-jr> but making it work on LE again is the next step :p
178 2012-06-23 04:12:42 <GTRsdk> Did you get it working on BE?
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180 2012-06-23 04:16:38 <GTRsdk> luke-jr: did you get it to work on big endian?
181 2012-06-23 04:17:07 <luke-jr> no
182 2012-06-23 04:17:25 <luke-jr> like I said, fixing LE is next
183 2012-06-23 04:19:31 <jgarzik> boy, that snuck up on me
184 2012-06-23 04:19:38 <jgarzik> we're getting close to blk0002.dat time
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191 2012-06-23 05:53:59 <gmaxwell> 06/23/12 05:49:20 ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED
192 2012-06-23 05:54:00 <gmaxwell> 06/23/12 05:49:27 SetBestChain: new best=0000000000000811fe39  height=176553  work=299668530422871187606
193 2012-06-23 05:54:06 <gmaxwell> validation in valgrind slllow.
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195 2012-06-23 06:04:13 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: 7 seconds isn't that slow compared to normal <.<
196 2012-06-23 06:06:24 <gmaxwell> I turned off valgrind and it's doing more like 7/second.
197 2012-06-23 06:06:53 <gmaxwell> 06/23/12 06:02:15 SetBestChain: new best=000000000000044567ed  height=181242  work=332059775500399487250
198 2012-06-23 06:06:58 <gmaxwell> 06/23/12 06:02:16 SetBestChain: new best=00000000000000cc9702  height=181249  work=332111884782648155244
199 2012-06-23 06:08:33 <luke-jr> oh, old blocks
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202 2012-06-23 06:19:46 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: xanatos opened issue 1506 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1506>
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252 2012-06-23 10:16:29 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: Diapolo opened issue 1507 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1507>
253 2012-06-23 10:16:31 <nolybab> it's 4AM in Utah
254 2012-06-23 10:16:39 <nolybab> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORYKKNoRcDc
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315 2012-06-23 14:37:38 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: xanatos opened pull request 1508 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1508>
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336 2012-06-23 15:30:16 <jgarzik> public backbone up to 3 beefy machines now
337 2012-06-23 15:30:35 <jgarzik> all listed in bitseed.xf2.org, and serving -tons- of early blocks
338 2012-06-23 15:33:36 <Cory> Public backbone?
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356 2012-06-23 16:54:51 <dinox> Looking for history difficulty data, is there a table somewhere or do I need to query the blockchain myself?
357 2012-06-23 16:55:40 <dinox> I practically want data points for the graphs at sipa.bitcoin.be
358 2012-06-23 16:55:59 * sipa might have that data somewhere :p
359 2012-06-23 16:56:55 <dinox> Hehe, I'm sure you do :)
360 2012-06-23 16:57:13 <sipa> just the difficulty data?
361 2012-06-23 16:57:38 <dinox> yep
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363 2012-06-23 16:57:46 <dinox> and block nbr or time
364 2012-06-23 16:58:40 <sipa> http://sipa.bitcoin.be/hist.txt
365 2012-06-23 16:59:14 <Matt_von_Mises> One thing that is not straight forward is the FindAndDelete (https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/script.h#L482). When removing OP_SEPARATORs it just removes the op codes but for the signatures does it only match when pushing data for the whole signature or any occurrence of a signature anywhere in push operations?
366 2012-06-23 17:00:50 <dinox> thanks sipa! :)
367 2012-06-23 17:01:04 <dinox> Is that updateded or static?
368 2012-06-23 17:01:10 <sipa> static
369 2012-06-23 17:01:22 <sipa> though i could have it live
370 2012-06-23 17:01:40 <Matt_von_Mises> Actually for a push operation is seems to remove a signature if it is found immediately but also remove the signauture if it appears again straight afterwards?
371 2012-06-23 17:02:38 <Matt_von_Mises> while getop(){ while foundSig{ erase siganture } }
372 2012-06-23 17:04:55 <Matt_von_Mises> "pc = begin() + (pc2 - begin());" That makes no sense to me
373 2012-06-23 17:06:23 <sipa> pc2 is a const_iterator, while pc is an interator
374 2012-06-23 17:06:32 <sipa> i suppose you can't just assign one to the other
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377 2012-06-23 17:14:27 <Matt_von_Mises> I explained what I meant here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=89481.0
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379 2012-06-23 17:15:03 <Matt_von_Mises> I'm not too sure on the C++ stuff so I need to check with others.
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394 2012-06-23 17:53:35 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: luke-jr opened issue 1509 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1509>
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399 2012-06-23 18:01:06 <jgarzik> I wonder if nodes listed via DNS seeds are disproportionately punished in terms of bandwidth?
400 2012-06-23 18:01:38 <Eliel> wouldn't surprise me
401 2012-06-23 18:01:44 <jgarzik> For new nodes joining the network, getting addresses only from DNS seeds, will the peer selection code be -likely- to select a node listed via DNS seed as the peer for I.B.D.?
402 2012-06-23 18:02:38 <jgarzik> for the three new nodes I just setup, they are all listed in bitseed.xf2.org, and they all spend a lot of their time handing out old blocks (< block 140,000)
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406 2012-06-23 18:05:50 <luke-jr> jgarzik: some (bluematt?) might consider that abuse of a DNS seed, FYI
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408 2012-06-23 18:07:59 <Eliel> luke-jr: abuse? as in, spying on nodes joining the network?
409 2012-06-23 18:08:20 <luke-jr> as in, listing specific nodes in the DNS results for any purpose
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411 2012-06-23 18:10:15 <Eliel> o.O I'd think some nodes need to be listed there for new nodes to be able to join the network :P
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414 2012-06-23 18:11:46 <luke-jr> Eliel: keyword: specific
415 2012-06-23 18:12:06 <Eliel> how do you list an unspecific node in DNS? makes no sense.
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429 2012-06-23 18:32:41 <jgarzik> there has got to be some solution that is better than forcing DNS seed-provided nodes to constant serve old blocks
430 2012-06-23 18:33:13 <jgarzik> maybe when the blk0001.dat -> blk0002.dat switch occurs, we can start distributing blk0001.dat statically somewhere, if enough volunteers were available.
431 2012-06-23 18:34:55 <jgarzik> 55 and 91 connections respectively, at two of the nodes
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433 2012-06-23 18:39:24 <jine> "distributing blk0001.dat statically somewhere" - bitlc.net can setup a node for that, no worries.
434 2012-06-23 18:39:59 <jine> or well, not node perhaps, but a url or similar.
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436 2012-06-23 18:41:00 <Zarutian> jgarzik: how long until that?
437 2012-06-23 18:41:23 <jgarzik> as soon as the file size hits 2G on a node
438 2012-06-23 18:41:36 <jgarzik> it's different for each node, depending on how much garbage (orphans) they have in there
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441 2012-06-23 18:45:46 <Zarutian> jgarzik: lets say that a node has no orphans in blk0001.dat then how big would it be today? Mine is 1.88 GigaByte
442 2012-06-23 18:45:52 <jgarzik> jine: we might wind up with a bunch of volunteers carrying a blk0001.dat.bz2 with a well-known SHA256 hash...  that way anyone may contribute, no matter the trust level
443 2012-06-23 18:46:24 <jgarzik> Zarutian: it still depends on the incoming traffic rate too, which varies daily.  basically The Point At Which You Reach 2.00 GB
444 2012-06-23 18:47:17 <Zarutian> due to various reasons my bitcoin node isnt constanly running. (I usually fire it up every few days and let it sync to the network)
445 2012-06-23 18:49:15 <Zarutian> so, my guestimate is that it will hit 2.00 sometime later this year or the first half of next
446 2012-06-23 18:50:13 <Zarutian> (hit two gigabytes that is)
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448 2012-06-23 18:52:41 <jgarzik> need to double check whether that is 2 billion or 2*1024*1024*1024 etc., too
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452 2012-06-23 18:55:43 <Zarutian> jgarzik: for bytes it is always 1024 bytes for a kilobyte, 1024 kilobytes for a megabyte and 1024 megabytes for a gigabyte (and a  byte being 8 bits)
453 2012-06-23 18:56:32 <Zarutian> unless you are a harddisk maker trying to bolster your disks capacity
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455 2012-06-23 19:04:59 <xorgate> that's such a lame practice
456 2012-06-23 19:13:09 <etotheipi_> for reference, someone in the Armory thread mentioned their blk0001.dat file was:  2,048,006 kB
457 2012-06-23 19:13:34 <etotheipi_> they had a double-stacked file -- I guess the client didn't recognize the original copy of blk0001.dat and started redownloading the chain on top of it
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459 2012-06-23 19:15:26 <etotheipi_> that is 0x7d001800 bytes -- I believe sipa said 0x7d000000 bytes is the limit above which the client decides to start a new file
460 2012-06-23 19:16:43 <etotheipi_> P.S. -- bitcoind/-qt devs:  what causes the double-stacked file?  I've had it happen to myself a few times.  is it a known bug?
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468 2012-06-23 19:23:38 <galambo> why didnt it create a blk0002.dat?
469 2012-06-23 19:24:13 <etotheipi_> sorry, I should've been clearer:  the person did have a blk0002.dat file
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471 2012-06-23 19:24:59 <galambo> oh ok i thought you were disclosing a huge bug
472 2012-06-23 19:25:19 <etotheipi_> I was just saying that the blk0001.dat file was that size:  thus it appears to switch after 0x7d000000 bytes is exceeded
473 2012-06-23 19:25:34 <etotheipi_> which I think matches with what sipa said
474 2012-06-23 19:25:57 <galambo> i dont think that should be a problem
475 2012-06-23 19:26:44 <galambo> everyones data files will have the same overrun (its impossible to know whoat the size of the last block will be on disk)
476 2012-06-23 19:27:13 <galambo> just as long as its below the 2gb limit satoshi was trying to avoid
477 2012-06-23 19:27:32 <etotheipi_> with a max blocksize of 1 MB, it won't be a problem
478 2012-06-23 19:32:05 <galambo> oh nevermind i am wrong. i didnt know the data file stored the orphans
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485 2012-06-23 20:03:08 <jgarzik> Zarutian: what matters is the bitcoin source code :)
486 2012-06-23 20:03:23 <jgarzik> Zarutian: i.e. whether or not the bitcoin source code uses 1000 or 1024 as a multiple
487 2012-06-23 20:04:26 <jgarzik> etotheipi_: what is a double-stacked file?
488 2012-06-23 20:05:33 <jgarzik> etotheipi_: if you mean blk0002.dat, the bitcoin client divides up the block file into 2GB shardds
489 2012-06-23 20:05:59 <jgarzik> satoshi was avoiding 2gb/4gb file size limits
490 2012-06-23 20:06:53 <Matt_von_Mises> Is this the right way to remove signatures in scripts: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=89481.msg984802#msg984802
491 2012-06-23 20:07:17 <Eliel> jgarzik: I think double stacked means that it contains the blockchain twice.
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493 2012-06-23 20:10:04 <galambo> if i try to link dynamic boost libraries in windows i get this message "undefined reference to `boost::program_options::detail::common_config_file_iterator::get()'" like it cant link it
494 2012-06-23 20:11:11 <galambo> if i link static boost library its works but the program will not execute...
495 2012-06-23 20:11:31 <etotheipi_> jgarzik: I mean that I have 1.6 GB blk0001.dat file, then I upgrade bitcoin-qt or something else midly disruptive, and it doesn't recognize it so it redownloads and I end up with 2.0GB blk0001.dat and 1.2GB blk0002.dat
496 2012-06-23 20:12:10 <jgarzik> etotheipi_: what do you mean "it doesn't recognize it"?  are you having problems with corrupted files?
497 2012-06-23 20:12:33 <jgarzik> etotheipi_: I'm not clear about the specific problem/bug you're referring to
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499 2012-06-23 20:12:45 <etotheipi_> you tell me:  it's usually when I install bitcoin-qt/d on a VM, and rather than redownloading, I just copy the blk0001.dat file to the VM
500 2012-06-23 20:12:52 <etotheipi_> from my host computer
501 2012-06-23 20:13:21 <etotheipi_> then when I start bitcoin-qt on that system, it just starts downloading from scratch and putting all that data on top of the 1.8 GB I just copied
502 2012-06-23 20:14:19 <jgarzik> etotheipi_: sure, it's rebuilding the index.  you're doing it wrong.  if you want to import blk0001.dat, start bitcoind with -loadblock=FILE, and make sure FILE is outside your bitcoin data directory.
503 2012-06-23 20:15:00 <etotheipi_> oh ,good to know
504 2012-06-23 20:15:04 <jgarzik> etotheipi_: each database index is intimately tied to blk????.dat
505 2012-06-23 20:15:14 <jgarzik> etotheipi_: if you blow away the index, you have to start all over again
506 2012-06-23 20:15:38 <etotheipi_> jgarzik: but for a first-install where there is no blkXXXX.dat, I figured it would just use what's there and rebuild from that
507 2012-06-23 20:15:48 <etotheipi_> err... where there is no blkindex yet
508 2012-06-23 20:16:12 <etotheipi_> obviously an incorrect assumption
509 2012-06-23 20:16:14 <jgarzik> etotheipi_: that's what loadblock is for.  it's dangerous to import FROM file A, when at the same time you are writing TO file A.
510 2012-06-23 20:16:29 <galambo> i dont think it has a way to "rebuild" its justa  stream without any meta information
511 2012-06-23 20:16:29 <etotheipi_> got it
512 2012-06-23 20:16:42 <etotheipi_> well I've had to troubleshoot the same problem with a few Armory users
513 2012-06-23 20:17:08 <galambo> unless thats what "-loadblock=file" does
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515 2012-06-23 20:17:51 <etotheipi_> I'll be sure to pass the info along to such users
516 2012-06-23 20:18:50 <jgarzik> anything is -theoretically- possible, including reindexing existing files.  but it is quite complex, and just easier to say "use -loadblock=FILE, make sure FILE is OUTSIDE data dir"
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524 2012-06-23 20:50:57 <gmaxwell> 13:13 < galambo> unless thats what "-loadblock=file" does
525 2012-06-23 20:51:00 <gmaxwell> Yes, it is.
526 2012-06-23 20:51:05 <gmaxwell> Though it doesn't do it in place.
527 2012-06-23 20:51:17 <gmaxwell> It takes a block file with no meta information and process it like it got it over the network.
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541 2012-06-23 21:05:48 <sipa> jgarzik: my seed has some set of about 1700 addresses it randomly serves from
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595 2012-06-23 23:09:32 <jgarzik> sipa: we've been over this before :)
596 2012-06-23 23:10:13 <jgarzik> sipa: bitseed.xf2.org grabs from the wiki's list of fallback nodes, and is largely static
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601 2012-06-23 23:22:04 <jgarzik> if there was another _highly reliable, DDoS protected_ DNS provider out there, that permitted greater flexibility in record updating, I would be interested in switching
602 2012-06-23 23:23:10 <jgarzik> that, in turn, would permit automated (rather than manual) scripting of updates
603 2012-06-23 23:24:17 <vigilyn> cloudflare
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610 2012-06-23 23:36:33 <Matt_von_Mises> Do you really need to check that the output value is below the maximum when validating transactions? I see no point.
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612 2012-06-23 23:45:47 <hnz> Matt_von_Mises: there was afaik the problem of overflowing. if the number is limited to the values -9 to 10, you specify 1 as input and 7, 7, 7 as output. 21 would result in 1, thus input matches the sum of outputs.
613 2012-06-23 23:46:48 <hnz> Matt_von_Mises: by checking for the maximum in a datatype bigger than that of the final value you can prevent this
614 2012-06-23 23:46:57 <hnz> i think it is documented somewhere in the bitcoin wiki
615 2012-06-23 23:47:57 <Matt_von_Mises> Of-course. Overflow checking.
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617 2012-06-23 23:52:25 <Matt_von_Mises> I remember. There was once an exploit that was fixed. Someone made loads of bitcoins.