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2 2012-06-24 00:05:53 <Matt_von_Mises> Why is it that the C++ client doesn't relay non-standard transactions? That is something I never understood.
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4 2012-06-24 00:09:54 <luke-jr> Matt_von_Mises: because it validates before it relays, I imagine
5 2012-06-24 00:10:14 <luke-jr> Matt_von_Mises: the original excuse for disabling them, was to avoid bugs in unusual code paths in the script interpretor
6 2012-06-24 00:10:27 <Matt_von_Mises> luke-jr: But people can still mine them.
7 2012-06-24 00:10:47 <Matt_von_Mises> So if it's to avoid vulnerabilities then it's useless not relaying them if they can be mined.
8 2012-06-24 00:10:57 <luke-jr> Matt_von_Mises: I think that's allowed mainly to not break compatibility iwth the blockchain at the time
9 2012-06-24 00:11:10 <luke-jr> mining a block has a high cost
10 2012-06-24 00:11:38 <Matt_von_Mises> luke-jr: When disabling bitcoin features don't people realise it might be hard to enable them again?
11 2012-06-24 00:11:54 <luke-jr> Matt_von_Mises: at the time, Satoshi was breaking compatibility willy-nilly
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13 2012-06-24 00:12:41 <luke-jr> in fact, it's my understanding his plan for Bitcoin was "only the latest client maintained by me is supported, no third-party or old versions"
14 2012-06-24 00:12:58 <luke-jr> obviously that had to change realistically
15 2012-06-24 00:14:49 <Matt_von_Mises> Well, that might have been his plan but the MIT license doesn't go with that. People can always go against the main client if they want and use other clients with different features.
16 2012-06-24 00:15:37 <Matt_von_Mises> And I guess to legally stop people making third party clients the algorithms would need patents.
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21 2012-06-24 00:49:43 <helo> is it possible to generate type-2 det keys to form a tree of keys, instead of a linear sequence of keys?
22 2012-06-24 00:50:03 <luke-jr> helo: afaik, that's the plan for HD wallets
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24 2012-06-24 00:56:08 <helo> so a server could generate new keys rooted at its own key, and use them to generate donation addresses for additional instances of itself?
25 2012-06-24 00:57:20 <cande_> did we get bip16 or 17 ?
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28 2012-06-24 00:58:22 <helo> or something that is actually useful... where the owner of the root key has access to everything
29 2012-06-24 00:59:00 <helo> 16 i think... p2sh
30 2012-06-24 01:00:34 <cande_> ok :)
31 2012-06-24 01:04:18 <luke-jr> cande_: 16
32 2012-06-24 01:04:22 <luke-jr> helo: 17 was p2sh too
33 2012-06-24 01:05:01 <cande_> cool with democratic currency :-)
34 2012-06-24 01:07:28 <luke-jr> cande_: huh?
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50 2012-06-24 01:47:27 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: jgarzik opened pull request 1511 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1511> || jgarzik opened pull request 1510 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1510>
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61 2012-06-24 02:15:26 <gmaxwell> Unless someone screams, I'm going to pull hidden service support now. There are still some things that should be improved... but it tests out well generally for me.
62 2012-06-24 02:16:11 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: sipa keeps revising it, so dunnoâ¦
63 2012-06-24 02:16:36 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: how about gmp_bip instead? <.<
64 2012-06-24 02:19:39 <gmaxwell> The only thing that has been changed recently is the docs and the tests, which was what gavin requested.
65 2012-06-24 02:20:39 <luke-jr> ah
66 2012-06-24 02:21:03 * luke-jr just watches the commits get remade in #bitcoin-commits, not as much the differences in them
67 2012-06-24 02:21:29 <gmaxwell> ::nods::
68 2012-06-24 02:26:50 * gmaxwell goes to do some testing of 1393.
69 2012-06-24 02:27:18 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: the way you're packing in the metadata seems kinda kludgey.
70 2012-06-24 02:27:30 <gmaxwell> I dunno if there is any better way thoughâ
71 2012-06-24 02:28:10 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: ?
72 2012-06-24 02:28:32 <luke-jr> oh
73 2012-06-24 02:28:51 <luke-jr> I did it that way intentionally so using an older version doesn't destroy it
74 2012-06-24 02:29:01 <luke-jr> it worked out nicely
75 2012-06-24 02:29:04 <luke-jr> IMO
76 2012-06-24 02:30:17 <gmaxwell> ah. thats an interesting point.
77 2012-06-24 02:33:13 <gmaxwell> I suppose if you change a txn's comments with an old version it'll destroy the data there?
78 2012-06-24 02:34:00 <luke-jr> maybe. but I don't think any current version lets you do that.
79 2012-06-24 02:34:11 <luke-jr> note it's only for accounting data, which Bitcoin-Qt ignores
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89 2012-06-24 03:35:29 <jgarzik> gmaxwell: are 'inv' common with multiple MSG_TX?
90 2012-06-24 03:35:35 <jgarzik> gmaxwell: repeatedly?
91 2012-06-24 03:36:24 <jgarzik> gmaxwell: I'm trying to understand how your comment applies to #1511
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93 2012-06-24 03:38:17 <gmaxwell> 06/17/12 14:47:31 got inventory: tx 51a3ccbef6fb2a2bc3be new
94 2012-06-24 03:38:17 <gmaxwell> 06/17/12 14:47:31 askfor tx 51a3ccbef6fb2a2bc3be 0
95 2012-06-24 03:38:17 <gmaxwell> 06/17/12 14:47:31 sending getdata: tx 51a3ccbef6fb2a2bc3be
96 2012-06-24 03:38:17 <gmaxwell> 06/17/12 14:47:31 got inventory: tx 51a3ccbef6fb2a2bc3be new
97 2012-06-24 03:38:17 <gmaxwell> 06/17/12 14:47:31 askfor tx 51a3ccbef6fb2a2bc3be 1339944451000000
98 2012-06-24 03:38:19 <gmaxwell> 06/17/12 14:47:31 got inventory: tx 51a3ccbef6fb2a2bc3be new
99 2012-06-24 03:38:22 <gmaxwell> 06/17/12 14:47:31 askfor tx 51a3ccbef6fb2a2bc3be 1339944571000000
100 2012-06-24 03:38:33 <gmaxwell> (random example)
101 2012-06-24 03:40:31 <jgarzik> gmaxwell: I don't see any impacted log lines there. The only impacted lines are those with the format "received getdata for: %s"
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103 2012-06-24 03:41:53 <gmaxwell> Oh for some reason I thought you were supressing all the lines related to INV on a new transaction. Ignore me then.
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113 2012-06-24 04:08:00 <ageis> this channel is nothihng but a list of incomprehensible hashes and programmer jargon to me.
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117 2012-06-24 04:14:48 <jgarzik> not true. it is full of Diablo-D3 rants too.
118 2012-06-24 04:15:01 <jgarzik> :)
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120 2012-06-24 04:16:06 <luke-jr> lol
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128 2012-06-24 04:40:24 <gmaxwell> ageis: And the problem is?
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130 2012-06-24 04:44:28 <ageis> gmaxwell: no problem ;)
131 2012-06-24 04:48:07 <Karmaon> Don't forget Diablo-D3's singing.
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143 2012-06-24 06:12:36 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: jgarzik opened pull request 1512 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1512>
144 2012-06-24 06:13:07 <jgarzik> gmaxwell: so.... any chance you could revise your comment on https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1511 ?
145 2012-06-24 06:13:48 <jgarzik> any action will do.. just want to eliminate confusion
146 2012-06-24 06:14:31 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: Done.
147 2012-06-24 06:14:38 <jgarzik> gmaxwell: tnx
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158 2012-06-24 07:40:10 <sipa> helo: read BIP 32, that uses a key tree
159 2012-06-24 07:40:25 <sipa> helo: it has nothing to do with p2sh though
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161 2012-06-24 07:43:00 <sipa> jgarzik: i didn't mean to say you have to use my code - some variation in seed providers is a good thing; i just mean that at least my node will spread
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163 2012-06-24 07:43:18 <sipa> jgarzik: i didn't mean to say you have to use my code - some variation in seed providers is a good thing; i just mean that at least my node will spread out load somewhat
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165 2012-06-24 07:48:40 <sipa> jgarzik: and if your static list is based on the wiki seed list, people do kinda choose being the first target for new nodea
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169 2012-06-24 08:09:23 <gmaxwell> sipa: It's a little odd that we'll return our onion address to RFC1918 (or otherwise unroutable) peers. It could lead to some avoidable address leaks in some odd configurations.
170 2012-06-24 08:13:13 <sipa> gmaxwell: it's certainly safer then returning other addresses
171 2012-06-24 08:14:13 <gmaxwell> Not safer than returning 0.0.0.0 though.
172 2012-06-24 08:14:19 <sipa> and it's a simple default, if the origin is unknown, reply with your "anonymous" address
173 2012-06-24 08:14:58 <sipa> though the correct way would probably be detecting connections coming from your onion proxy, and only return it then
174 2012-06-24 08:15:53 <sipa> and return :: or 0.0.0.0 for unknown origins
175 2012-06-24 08:15:56 <gmaxwell> sipa: Right, but just because it's unknown to you doesn't mean it's unknown to the peer. E.g. you've enabled listening, I scan the network and find you, now I know your hidden service address. Best practice is probably to use a seperate hidden service address for bitcoin though.
176 2012-06-24 08:16:54 <gmaxwell> Yea, in any caseâ I wasn't sure what to do otherwise I'd be posting a pull rather than a comment. 0.0.0.0 is probably more conservative, but it wasn't obvious to me how we can figure out if the peer is the tor inbound.
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178 2012-06-24 08:17:41 <sipa> maybe a CNode field that contains the network the connection is assumed to be on
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180 2012-06-24 08:18:21 <sipa> and you can check at the time of accepting a connection that it's from the onion proxy
181 2012-06-24 08:18:49 <sipa> but what if you don't have an onion proxy, and only want to accept inbound tor connections?
182 2012-06-24 08:19:31 <gmaxwell> It's harmless to send zeros still in that case.
183 2012-06-24 08:20:05 <sipa> true, but that would mean no way of advertizing your service at all
184 2012-06-24 08:21:34 <sipa> in general, if someone can connect to you from an RFC1918 address, i suppose there is at least some trust
185 2012-06-24 08:21:46 <sipa> but that assumption won't always be true
186 2012-06-24 08:22:18 <gmaxwell> or you've just left some proxy open. Or your on some kind of corporate network / dorm.. or it's some proxy running inside a java applet in your browser.
187 2012-06-24 08:23:01 <gmaxwell> I don't think the risks are especially great, but the benefit of sending something other than zeros isn't great either.
188 2012-06-24 08:23:12 <sipa> true
189 2012-06-24 08:26:09 <gmaxwell> In general a multi-network node isn't a super secure thing... but listening for tor ends up leaving you open to listening to v4 soo...
190 2012-06-24 08:26:33 <sipa> -bind=127.0.0.1
191 2012-06-24 08:26:58 <sipa> which may still be accessible to java applets and other thinga
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225 2012-06-24 10:45:52 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: nanpanman opened issue 1513 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1513>
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232 2012-06-24 11:20:44 <MysteryBanshee> Bitcoin Challenge Promotion for #btc-mystery - Public Address 1FabzebwRtz7fu3iMUz7FHak31ormmHXy3 (0.195 BTC) - Private key is 5K1MysteryBansheePromotion1KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKuLH7t
233 2012-06-24 11:28:31 <sipa> MysteryBanshee: that seems kinda hard to crack
234 2012-06-24 11:28:48 <sipa> oh wait
235 2012-06-24 11:28:52 <sipa> what is the challenge?
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237 2012-06-24 11:29:48 <MysteryBanshee> you just import the key
238 2012-06-24 11:29:54 <MysteryBanshee> it was solved in like 30 seconds tho
239 2012-06-24 11:30:00 <MysteryBanshee> someones already taken it
240 2012-06-24 11:30:33 <sipa> boring :)
241 2012-06-24 11:30:39 <MysteryBanshee> (it was more of a test for creating vanity addresses)
242 2012-06-24 11:30:47 <MysteryBanshee> ill be coming up with more interesting ones later
243 2012-06-24 11:32:35 <sipa> this is the thread that started the whole key importing thing: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3638.0
244 2012-06-24 11:33:17 <MysteryBanshee> lol yeh, I got my idea from the forums :)
245 2012-06-24 11:33:44 <sipa> back then, people posted challenged with 20 BTC in this ;)
246 2012-06-24 11:33:52 <MysteryBanshee> how much was 20 btc worth?
247 2012-06-24 11:33:53 <PK> MysteryBanshee: how about generating vanity qr codes? like that: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/Wikipedia_extreme_qr_code_mobile_de.png
248 2012-06-24 11:34:09 <MysteryBanshee> thats pretty nice pk
249 2012-06-24 11:34:45 <MysteryBanshee> is it possible to encode a private key as a qr code?
250 2012-06-24 11:34:50 <PK> yes
251 2012-06-24 11:34:54 <sipa> why not?
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253 2012-06-24 11:35:01 <sipa> qr codes just contain text
254 2012-06-24 11:35:13 <sipa> s/contain/encode/
255 2012-06-24 11:35:16 <PK> MysteryBanshee: check https://www.bitaddress.org for an example
256 2012-06-24 11:35:25 <sipa> MysteryBanshee: i think 1 BTC was close to 1 USD back then
257 2012-06-24 11:35:47 <MysteryBanshee> im thinking of taking a private key qr code with 1 btc
258 2012-06-24 11:35:50 <MysteryBanshee> splitting it into 4 pieces
259 2012-06-24 11:35:58 <MysteryBanshee> and posting it in different places as a treasure hunt
260 2012-06-24 11:36:31 <PK> split the QR in 4 pieces like old pirate maps and hide the pieces in different places :)
261 2012-06-24 11:36:46 <PK> oh, I'm typing too slow :)
262 2012-06-24 11:38:38 <MysteryBanshee> yup
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270 2012-06-24 12:10:19 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: muggenhor opened pull request 1514 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1514>
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275 2012-06-24 12:12:36 <MysteryBanshee> Ive got my idea at https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Plug-in_System ... does anyone know if it might be possible to make it into a BIP ?
276 2012-06-24 12:13:02 <MysteryBanshee> its not really network-specific but client-related
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280 2012-06-24 12:19:28 <sipa> doesn't really look like BIP material
281 2012-06-24 12:20:51 <MysteryBanshee> oh
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284 2012-06-24 12:22:28 <luke-jr> MysteryBanshee: BIP is for Bitcoin stuff, not client-specific stuff
285 2012-06-24 12:22:56 <MysteryBanshee> luke-jr: I was hoping the plugin system could be more like a cross-client protocol
286 2012-06-24 12:23:08 <MysteryBanshee> ie, so any client can implement the standards and use a plugin
287 2012-06-24 12:24:28 <sipa> that sounds even harder than making wallets cross-client compatibl
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289 2012-06-24 12:25:15 <MysteryBanshee> i dont think its going to be that hard sipa, the modules would use a standard scripting language like lua
290 2012-06-24 12:25:17 <MysteryBanshee> the interface will be html
291 2012-06-24 12:25:31 <MysteryBanshee> and there would be an IPC system that would be relatively simple
292 2012-06-24 12:25:32 <MysteryBanshee> (so its secure)
293 2012-06-24 12:25:44 <sipa> so you'll have to standardize the functions exposed to the script language
294 2012-06-24 12:25:51 <MysteryBanshee> indeed
295 2012-06-24 12:26:40 <MysteryBanshee> i dont expect it to be implemented now of course, its just like a proposal for several months (or years) in the future
296 2012-06-24 12:26:45 <luke-jr> MysteryBanshee: but nobody knows Lua
297 2012-06-24 12:26:58 <MysteryBanshee> luke-jr, then another scripting language that you like
298 2012-06-24 12:27:03 <luke-jr> also, HTML really makes a terrible interface
299 2012-06-24 12:27:14 <luke-jr> it shouldn't matter what I like :p
300 2012-06-24 12:27:18 <MysteryBanshee> luke-jr: how would you do it then?
301 2012-06-24 12:27:31 <sipa> MysteryBanshee: if you want something like that, i'd say implement it :)
302 2012-06-24 12:27:58 <luke-jr> MysteryBanshee: I wouldn't open that can of worms.
303 2012-06-24 12:28:04 <MysteryBanshee> oh lol
304 2012-06-24 12:30:03 <galambo> can i make a BIP for my windows client to build :/
305 2012-06-24 12:30:12 <sipa> ?
306 2012-06-24 12:30:48 <galambo> i get a 7.6 meg executable that doesn't do anything when i run it
307 2012-06-24 12:31:34 <sipa> does it create a debug.log ?
308 2012-06-24 12:34:26 <galambo> nope
309 2012-06-24 12:35:20 <galambo> i built everything myself though. i am going to try it again using qt_deps (i thought it was out of date for all packages)
310 2012-06-24 12:36:09 <galambo> i assume it goes under /AppData/Roaming/Bitcoin/debug.log
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316 2012-06-24 13:45:25 <jgarzik> sipa: (RE DNS seeds) I agree, RE spreading out load. I just think that our client code could do better, e.g. by NOT downloading from the very first peer we successfully connect to. Wait for a connect, get more addresses, then prospect around for IBD nodes
317 2012-06-24 13:45:53 <jgarzik> by IBD'ing from the first peer we find, we punish any DNS seed unduly
318 2012-06-24 13:48:09 <sipa> jgarzik: agree
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340 2012-06-24 15:03:24 <galambo> weird guys
341 2012-06-24 15:04:50 <galambo> import master branch to another folder and copied my bitcoin-qt.pro over and it works now
342 2012-06-24 15:05:13 <galambo> i guess i broke something trying to fix it :/
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345 2012-06-24 15:14:33 <xorgate> syncing with the blockchain, about 150 new blocks. Takes about a minute on my desktop, about 30 minutes on my 32bit winxp laptop. What's happening that's so much slower on 32 than 64bit?
346 2012-06-24 15:16:00 <sipa> is the hardware similar?
347 2012-06-24 15:16:11 <sipa> in particular, CPU and RAM
348 2012-06-24 15:16:13 <xorgate> deinitely not
349 2012-06-24 15:16:40 <sipa> also, are you downloading from a local network or importing from a file?
350 2012-06-24 15:16:56 <sipa> otherwise it's possible you just picked a slow peer to download from on the laptop
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352 2012-06-24 15:17:26 <xorgate> it's standard opening of bitcoin-qt, same network (though wireless for laptop). it's just that it seems to me to be out of proportionally slow
353 2012-06-24 15:17:42 <sipa> what hardware is the laptop?
354 2012-06-24 15:18:03 <xorgate> intel atom, 1.6 ghz
355 2012-06-24 15:18:09 <xorgate> 2 gb ram
356 2012-06-24 15:18:17 <xorgate> and 32bit
357 2012-06-24 15:18:31 <xorgate> so i'm guessing it's falling back on slower code maybe?
358 2012-06-24 15:18:48 <sipa> the code is the same
359 2012-06-24 15:18:58 <sipa> but there could be many reasons for speed difference
360 2012-06-24 15:19:20 <sipa> * you accidentally picked a slow peer to download
361 2012-06-24 15:19:41 <sipa> * the initial block download was interrupted (connection broke?) and only continued when a new block was announced
362 2012-06-24 15:20:04 <xorgate> it's not just this time though
363 2012-06-24 15:21:07 <sipa> * low ram could mean not enough of the database indexes fit in memory
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366 2012-06-24 15:21:32 <sipa> though i run a bitcoind without problems on a VPS with 1 GB ram
367 2012-06-24 15:21:48 <xorgate> i'm not complaining mind you, it's that people might get upset if things are this slow
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369 2012-06-24 15:22:25 <guruvan> also - differences in filesystems can make a very significant difference
370 2012-06-24 15:23:27 <guruvan> (i.e using NTFS vs. FAT)
371 2012-06-24 15:28:57 <jrmithdobbs> sipa: so long as you don't have a wallet loaded it's not bad with low resources
372 2012-06-24 15:31:04 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: muggenhor opened pull request 1515 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1515>
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374 2012-06-24 15:39:46 <jgarzik> sipa: for nodes that (a) appear stuck and (b) are not already asking for blocks, I wondered about offering them the height+1 block only, to see if that would get them going again
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376 2012-06-24 15:40:54 <sipa> jgarzik: meh, not the responsability of the sender, imho
377 2012-06-24 15:41:06 <sipa> though improvements are definitely possible
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386 2012-06-24 15:55:39 <nolybab> hi all...i'm back
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388 2012-06-24 16:02:46 <nolybab> bye all...i'm gone
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393 2012-06-24 16:12:04 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: Diapolo opened pull request 1516 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1516>
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395 2012-06-24 16:17:11 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: Diapolo opened pull request 1517 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1517>
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398 2012-06-24 16:32:11 * jgarzik orders a BFL SC product. New toy coming... sometime
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402 2012-06-24 16:42:25 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: Diapolo opened pull request 1518 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1518>
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429 2012-06-24 17:51:20 <gmaxwell> 08:36 <@jgarzik> sipa: for nodes that (a) appear stuck and (b) are not already asking for blocks, I wondered about offering them the height+1 block only, to see if that
430 2012-06-24 17:51:38 <gmaxwell> I tried unsticking stuck nodes a few weeks ago and couldn't come up with anything to do it.
431 2012-06-24 17:52:38 <gmaxwell> (I tried advertising and pushing every block from their last common point to current and a couple of different patterns of responding when they pulled current blocks)
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445 2012-06-24 18:11:53 <topi`> about the qt ui, is there any way to disable the progress bar when the client is catching up with blocks? it causes a slight load on my snow leopard (the rest of the cpu goes to tx sig checking)
446 2012-06-24 18:13:41 <tcatm> You could remove the code. How did you figure out that the progressbar causes load?
447 2012-06-24 18:14:01 <topi`> how do I know the progress bar consumes cpu? if I minimize the window, then I never get >100% cpu usage for the task Bitcoin-Qt
448 2012-06-24 18:14:20 <topi`> the gfx stuff runs in a separate thread.
449 2012-06-24 18:14:47 <tcatm> That might also be some scheduler giving higher priority to focused/foreground windows.
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451 2012-06-24 18:15:07 <gmaxwell> topi`: what version are you running?
452 2012-06-24 18:15:32 <topi`> well, updating *anything* in a window on an OSX system 60 times per second causes some CPU load.
453 2012-06-24 18:15:40 <topi`> gmaxwell: 0.6.2.2
454 2012-06-24 18:16:31 <gmaxwell> There was some issue in a prior version where every block recieved caused a gui refresh (not just progress but everything).. and this did make things obviously slower.
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456 2012-06-24 18:17:22 <gmaxwell> It would probably be worth testing to see if it was the progress bar causing trouble, but if so I actually wouldn't expect minimizing the window to really fix it.
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459 2012-06-24 18:20:21 <topi`> well, I'll just suffer the howling of the fan :)
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463 2012-06-24 18:28:42 <galambo> wow these builds do not really play well with a blk0000.dat from another version
464 2012-06-24 18:28:44 <galambo> :)
465 2012-06-24 18:29:12 <sipa> that would surprise me
466 2012-06-24 18:29:23 <sipa> blk0001.dat just contains a concatenation of blocks
467 2012-06-24 18:29:54 <galambo> i switched from MASTER to 6.2.2 and now it crashes berkeley db
468 2012-06-24 18:30:02 <sipa> however, it may be incompatible with blkindex.dat, as that is a BDB database file, and BDB has some incompatibilities between versions
469 2012-06-24 18:30:03 <galambo> no loss i just deleted the dat file
470 2012-06-24 18:30:19 <galambo> oh i see
471 2012-06-24 18:30:20 <sipa> blk0001.dat is not a database file
472 2012-06-24 18:30:30 <galambo> i will do -loadblock
473 2012-06-24 18:30:38 <galambo> thank you i understand now
474 2012-06-24 18:30:56 <sipa> delete blkindex.dat, move blk0001.dat out of the way, and delete the database subdir
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476 2012-06-24 18:34:17 <topi`> the biggest glaring omission in the Qt client is that there seems to be no way of seeing at which block it is syncing
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478 2012-06-24 18:34:31 <topi`> so I have no idae whether to leave it on for the whole night or not
479 2012-06-24 18:34:40 <galambo> check your debug.log
480 2012-06-24 18:34:49 <galambo> that information is there
481 2012-06-24 18:34:53 <topi`> ah,t rue
482 2012-06-24 18:34:54 <topi`> thanks
483 2012-06-24 18:35:19 <sipa> topi`: hover over the sync icon
484 2012-06-24 18:35:35 <topi`> ERROR: ProcessBlock() : already have block 185590 000000000000014883e0
485 2012-06-24 18:35:38 <topi`> I wonder what's causing these
486 2012-06-24 18:35:47 <sipa> topi`: ignore that
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488 2012-06-24 18:35:57 <topi`> ok
489 2012-06-24 18:36:06 <topi`> how does the client know what's the max # of blocks at the moment?
490 2012-06-24 18:36:11 <sipa> it doesn't
491 2012-06-24 18:36:20 <sipa> it guesses, based on reports from other nodes
492 2012-06-24 18:36:30 <topi`> aha
493 2012-06-24 18:36:51 <topi`> is there a rpc to find out other nodes' top count?
494 2012-06-24 18:36:59 <galambo> thats another thing i noticed. when i import blk0001.dat from MASTER to 0.6.2 with -loadblock all of the blocks were rejected for too low of difficulty
495 2012-06-24 18:37:27 <gmaxwell> galambo: are you talking about testnet?
496 2012-06-24 18:37:32 <galambo> Yes
497 2012-06-24 18:37:34 <gmaxwell> ...
498 2012-06-24 18:37:40 <sipa> master uses testnet3
499 2012-06-24 18:37:45 <sipa> 0.6.2 uses testnet2
500 2012-06-24 18:37:46 <gmaxwell> It would help to specify that! testnet has been reset for 0.7.0.
501 2012-06-24 18:38:11 <gmaxwell> There is a new testnet chain. It's curently at height 75xx or so.
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503 2012-06-24 18:38:31 <galambo> oh strange
504 2012-06-24 18:39:01 <galambo> that would explain the behavior
505 2012-06-24 18:39:17 <galambo> it would only download ~7000 blocks and no more
506 2012-06-24 18:39:28 <galambo> but the client was reporting 50000 remaining
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509 2012-06-24 18:46:32 <gmaxwell> sipa: my testnet3 node now is listening on 6hgmaxwellgpv2oe.onion too.
510 2012-06-24 18:47:31 <sipa> gmaxwell: could you try -addnode='ing my node? (kjy2eqzk4zwi5zd3.onion:8333)
511 2012-06-24 18:47:41 <sipa> the non-testnet one of course
512 2012-06-24 18:48:25 <sipa> (i didn't check whether they're already connected, actually)
513 2012-06-24 18:48:46 <sipa> but if they are connected for some time, i suppose they should learn eachother's address, and my crawler should pick it up
514 2012-06-24 18:49:06 <gmaxwell> Sure.
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517 2012-06-24 18:50:59 <gmaxwell> hm.
518 2012-06-24 18:53:08 <gmaxwell> 06/24/12 18:48:37 send version message: version 60001, blocks=186052, us=6hgmaxwellgpv2oe.onion:8333, them=kjy2eqzk4zwi5zd3.onion:8333, peer=kjy2eqzk4zwi5zd3.onion:8333
519 2012-06-24 18:53:12 <gmaxwell> 06/24/12 18:48:39 receive version message: version 60001, blocks=186052, us=0.0.0.0:0, them=kjy2eqzk4zwi5zd3.onion:8333, peer=kjy2eqzk4zwi5zd3.onion:8333
520 2012-06-24 18:54:56 <sipa> looks good
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528 2012-06-24 19:07:32 <c4pt-otc> is there a problem with the bitcoin client?
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530 2012-06-24 19:07:50 <sipa> that's very vague...
531 2012-06-24 19:07:51 <copumpkin> you tell us?
532 2012-06-24 19:07:56 <copumpkin> I'm sure there are many problems with it
533 2012-06-24 19:08:00 <copumpkin> most of which we don't know about yet :)
534 2012-06-24 19:08:04 <gmaxwell> It doesn't give me unlimited free money.
535 2012-06-24 19:08:12 * copumpkin gives gmaxwell unlimited free money
536 2012-06-24 19:08:20 <gmaxwell> whooo!
537 2012-06-24 19:08:29 <your_king> loool
538 2012-06-24 19:08:30 <c4pt-otc> no i mean for the last 17 hrs i havent been able to download any blocks
539 2012-06-24 19:08:43 <sipa> ok, that's more interesting
540 2012-06-24 19:08:51 <gmaxwell> c4pt-otc: What does the end of your debug log say?
541 2012-06-24 19:09:00 <GTRsdk> copumpkin: could you give me that too? :)
542 2012-06-24 19:09:13 <copumpkin> GTRsdk: sorry, I only have one person worth of unlimited free money
543 2012-06-24 19:09:55 <c4pt-otc> gmaxwell, where is that in /var/log ?
544 2012-06-24 19:10:15 <sipa> ~/.bitcoin/debug.log
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552 2012-06-24 19:24:08 <c4pt-otc> sipa, gmaxwell thanx
553 2012-06-24 19:24:11 <c4pt-otc> here
554 2012-06-24 19:24:25 <c4pt-otc> ERROR: FetchInputs() : 0cd399a857 mempool Tx prev not found 4bbb5b1602
555 2012-06-24 19:24:25 <c4pt-otc> ERROR: CTxMemPool::accept() : FetchInputs failed 0cd399a857
556 2012-06-24 19:24:25 <c4pt-otc> storing orphan tx 0cd399a857
557 2012-06-24 19:25:49 <sipa> can you give a bit more, on a paste site or upload the debug.log somewhere?
558 2012-06-24 19:27:29 <gmaxwell> c4pt-otc: those messages are completely normal. Can you get us more of the debug.log? ideally the whole file?
559 2012-06-24 19:27:34 <gmaxwell> If you want you could email it to us.
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561 2012-06-24 19:30:05 <c4pt-otc> http://pastie.org/4144264
562 2012-06-24 19:31:40 <sipa> c4pt-otc: all very normal still, can you leave it open for a while (in particular until the next block), and paste again?
563 2012-06-24 19:31:48 <sipa> by the way: your disk isn't full, is it?
564 2012-06-24 19:32:09 <c4pt-otc> sipa, no
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566 2012-06-24 19:33:24 <sipa> ;;bc,tslb
567 2012-06-24 19:33:25 <gribble> Time since last block: 27 minutes and 10 seconds
568 2012-06-24 19:35:30 <c4pt-otc> when i tried a rescan
569 2012-06-24 19:35:31 <c4pt-otc> c4pt@hpz800:~$ bitcoin-qt -rescan
570 2012-06-24 19:35:31 <c4pt-otc> ************************
571 2012-06-24 19:35:31 <c4pt-otc> EXCEPTION: NSt8ios_base7failureE
572 2012-06-24 19:35:31 <c4pt-otc> ReadCompactSize() : size too large
573 2012-06-24 19:35:31 <c4pt-otc> bitcoin in Runaway exception
574 2012-06-24 19:36:02 <sipa> that looks like a corrupted blockchain db...
575 2012-06-24 19:37:14 <galambo> do you suggest doing a loadblock to people using the real network
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577 2012-06-24 19:37:49 <galambo> or are you afraid they will accidentally delete their wallets in the process :)
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597 2012-06-24 20:32:17 <jgarzik> c4pt-otc: try -upgradewallet
598 2012-06-24 20:32:40 <c4pt-otc> jgarzik, i deleted the blkindex already
599 2012-06-24 20:32:50 <c4pt-otc> jgarzik, ill keep it in mind though thanx
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603 2012-06-24 20:39:25 <jgarzik> c4pt-otc: note that deleting blkindex.dat but leaving blk0001.dat in your data dir won't work
604 2012-06-24 20:39:50 <jgarzik> c4pt-otc: if you want to reload blk0001.dat, you must move it outside the data dir, then run with -loadblock=FILE
605 2012-06-24 20:41:52 <c4pt-otc> jgarzik, i deleted both already
606 2012-06-24 20:41:57 <jgarzik> for some reason, eu3.exmulti.net sure does attract incoming connections... 93 total at present
607 2012-06-24 20:42:09 <c4pt-otc> jgarzik, i am downloading the blockchain mirror .tar to try and extract in ~/.bitcoin
608 2012-06-24 20:42:11 <jgarzik> other nodes in the US brought online at the same time have 50-60
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625 2012-06-24 21:22:36 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: the /16 filtering sometimes has weird results.
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642 2012-06-24 22:15:54 <doublec> I have a server that's similar. As soon as I start bitcoind, instant 100 connections.
643 2012-06-24 22:16:40 <gmaxwell> doublec: instant? that sounds odd.. Are all the connections from the ukrane and russia?
644 2012-06-24 22:17:12 <gmaxwell> There were a whole bunch of ukrainian hosts super agressively connecting to me, and I just blocked them.
645 2012-06-24 22:17:16 <doublec> well, instant for some definition of it. over an hour or so.
646 2012-06-24 22:17:23 <luke-jr> lol
647 2012-06-24 22:17:32 * luke-jr kicks Intel ME
648 2012-06-24 22:17:58 <doublec> is there some tool that geolocates an shows where a list of ip's come from?
649 2012-06-24 22:18:31 <gmaxwell> doublec: there are lots of tools for this. Most popular of the freely available stuff uses this database: http://www.maxmind.com/
650 2012-06-24 22:19:01 <doublec> ra.mining.eligius is connected to it, I feel special
651 2012-06-24 22:19:30 <doublec> this is my cjdns/bitcoin bridge node
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653 2012-06-24 22:27:05 <luke-jr> doublec: ?
654 2012-06-24 22:27:34 <luke-jr> ra has a node that tries to connect to everything
655 2012-06-24 22:28:32 <doublec> great, now I don't feel special, thanks a lot
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658 2012-06-24 22:29:02 <luke-jr> lol
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