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  8 2012-06-29 00:16:57 <jgarzik> gmaxwell, sipa: anybody ever benched a -loadblock import, whose contents are sorted most-recent-first?
  9 2012-06-29 00:17:34 <jgarzik> it would import a bunch of orphans (pass 1), then recursively SetBestChain all at once
 10 2012-06-29 00:17:42 <Diablo-D3> hahah oh shit
 11 2012-06-29 00:17:52 <Diablo-D3> worst case senario
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 13 2012-06-29 00:20:35 <theodore> Hey guys, would there be a way to access chrome and direct to URL's via the command line?
 14 2012-06-29 00:21:04 <sipa> jgarzik: quite sure you'll OOM
 15 2012-06-29 00:21:15 <jgarzik> sipa: transaction too large?
 16 2012-06-29 00:21:28 <sipa> no, just orphan blocks in memory
 17 2012-06-29 00:21:35 <sipa> it won't touch DB code
 18 2012-06-29 00:22:08 <sipa> oh, unless you have enough RAM, and I suppose 2 GB worth of blocks is still doable on semi-recent hardware
 19 2012-06-29 00:23:56 <jgarzik> ahh, ProcessBlock() shoves into mapOrphanBlocks just before ProcessBlock() would write the block to disk
 20 2012-06-29 00:24:17 * jgarzik had thought orphans were stored automatically, since you -do- find orphans in the block file (due to reorg)
 21 2012-06-29 00:24:23 <jgarzik> guess not
 22 2012-06-29 00:25:26 <sipa> they're written to disk as soon as they get connected to the block tree
 23 2012-06-29 00:25:36 <sipa> so after their difficulty has been verified
 24 2012-06-29 00:25:46 <sipa> though PoW is checked earlier
 25 2012-06-29 00:27:42 <maaku> anyone by chance know how to tell if a LXC is i386 or amd64 from within the container?
 26 2012-06-29 00:28:02 <sipa> lsb_release -a
 27 2012-06-29 00:28:03 <sipa> ?
 28 2012-06-29 00:28:26 <BlueMatt> uname -a
 29 2012-06-29 00:28:49 <BlueMatt> if (i386) install am64 kernel; if (doesnt boot) go back to i386
 30 2012-06-29 00:30:19 <maaku> ok thanks i'll see if that works; wasn't sure if 32-bit guest on 64-bit host would show i386 or amd64/x86_64
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 32 2012-06-29 00:31:08 <dicksuckersrus> hello
 33 2012-06-29 00:31:13 <dicksuckersrus> I am new to bitcoin
 34 2012-06-29 00:31:19 <dicksuckersrus> I am looking for the gayboy bitcoin channel
 35 2012-06-29 00:31:23 <dicksuckersrus> is this it?
 36 2012-06-29 00:31:43 <JFK911> BlueMatt: oh hey, you made me realize that stupid linux forgot to implement i386(1) from sysv.
 37 2012-06-29 00:32:03 <JFK911> solaris has it still
 38 2012-06-29 00:32:39 <BlueMatt> maaku: oh...containers, meh just run uname or lsb_release
 39 2012-06-29 00:33:07 <BlueMatt> maaku: maybe /proc/cpuinfo, otherwise probably cant tell, aside from host kernel
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 48 2012-06-29 00:52:44 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: fanquake opened pull request 1530 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1530>
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 50 2012-06-29 01:11:01 <maaku> uname -p seems to have done the trick :)
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 57 2012-06-29 01:39:29 <D34TH> what is this wizardry, gitian-updater.exe
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 59 2012-06-29 01:43:27 <BlueMatt> D34TH: py2exe/cx_Freeze version of https://github.com/devrandom/gitian-builder/blob/master/share/gitian-updater
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 61 2012-06-29 01:44:42 <BlueMatt> and before you ask, you have to get the gpg2.exe binary from http://www.gpg4win.org/ (or their sources, if you feel like building)
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 63 2012-06-29 01:44:54 <D34TH> dont worry i have gpg
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 65 2012-06-29 01:45:54 <D34TH> darn i dont have gpg2
 66 2012-06-29 01:46:05 <BlueMatt> whered you get gpg on windows?
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 68 2012-06-29 01:46:23 <D34TH> damn good question
 69 2012-06-29 01:46:34 <D34TH> gpg4win
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 72 2012-06-29 01:46:59 <BlueMatt> heh...thought so
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 74 2012-06-29 01:47:03 <D34TH> but i have 1.1.4 of gpg4win
 75 2012-06-29 01:47:16 <BlueMatt> not sure if it matters, you can try with gpg v1, may work
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 78 2012-06-29 01:47:37 <BlueMatt> gpg2 is just the exe name of a binary that worked when I tested it with some recent version a week or so ago
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159 2012-06-29 04:21:13 <doublec> with latest git my debug log tends to fill up with "socket send buffer full warning". What's that log for?
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161 2012-06-29 04:28:53 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: jgarzik opened pull request 1531 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1531>
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207 2012-06-29 07:14:43 <maaku> i think gitian-descriptors/deps-win32.yml is broken
208 2012-06-29 07:15:14 <maaku> or rather the miniupnpc build process is; it's not setup for cross-compilation
209 2012-06-29 07:16:30 <maaku> it builds an .exe, wingenminiupnpcstrings, then tries to execute it, which doesn't work in the gitian build environment
210 2012-06-29 07:16:35 <maaku> anyone know how to get around this?
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251 2012-06-29 09:38:17 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: fanquake opened pull request 1532 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1532>
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281 2012-06-29 11:24:04 <Geebus> anyone know how I can get the pubkey of the sender from an unconfirmed transaction fairly easily?
282 2012-06-29 11:30:33 <tcatm> Geebus: It's in the scriptsig
283 2012-06-29 11:30:59 <Geebus> tcatm: is there a format for the scriptsig public anywhere?
284 2012-06-29 11:32:34 <tcatm> Depends on the transaction. https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Script
285 2012-06-29 11:33:24 <sipa> Geebus: bitcoin transactions do not have a well-defined "sender"
286 2012-06-29 11:33:54 <sipa> they have one or more inputs, each of which may or may not have a recognisable pubkey/address it was previously sent to
287 2012-06-29 11:34:20 <Geebus> I'm trying to find a fairly simple way to determine all of the inpoints for a transaction that has yet to be confirmed.
288 2012-06-29 11:35:11 <sipa> what for? :)
289 2012-06-29 11:35:18 <Geebus> A sends to B, where A may be multiple addresses... I need to be able to determine all of A.
290 2012-06-29 11:35:38 <tcatm> You could probably do that by looking at prev_out
291 2012-06-29 11:35:48 <sipa> prevout tells you txid:n
292 2012-06-29 11:36:17 <sipa> you can look those up in the transaction database (of a full node) to find what txout corresponds to that
293 2012-06-29 11:36:32 <sipa> but you'll get a script, not a pubkey or an address
294 2012-06-29 11:36:54 <sipa> if it was a send-to-address, you can find the address in the prev txout, and the pubkey in the txin
295 2012-06-29 11:37:12 <sipa> if it was a send-to-pubkey, you can find the pubkey in the prev txout, and the address as the hash of it
296 2012-06-29 11:37:34 <sipa> if it was a send-to-script, you can find the pubkey(s) in the prev txout
297 2012-06-29 11:37:49 <sipa> sorry, in the txin
298 2012-06-29 11:38:25 <Geebus> Still viable to find them on a TX not yet in the blockchain?
299 2012-06-29 11:39:50 <sipa> if the input isn't confirmed yet, you'll need to look in the mempool as well
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302 2012-06-29 11:42:35 <Geebus> I was looking at the mempool earlier, but can't find a reference on the byte structure or format of the transactions in it. My forum and Wiki-fu skills are lacking, apparently.
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304 2012-06-29 11:46:29 <Geebus> Is there a reference available anywhere? I would prefer not to have to dig through source code.
305 2012-06-29 11:46:39 <epscy> error: {"code":-4,"message":"Error: Transaction creation failed  "}
306 2012-06-29 11:46:50 <epscy> i can't send :(
307 2012-06-29 11:47:14 <epscy> 0.6.3
308 2012-06-29 11:47:23 <epscy> ubuntu
309 2012-06-29 11:48:06 <Geebus> epscy: the transaction amount + fee exceeds your wallet balance
310 2012-06-29 11:48:37 <Geebus> epscy: likely, you have a ton of small amounts received into your wallet that are complicating the transaction to cause enormous fees
311 2012-06-29 11:48:51 <epscy> hmmm
312 2012-06-29 11:48:52 <epscy> ok
313 2012-06-29 11:49:06 <Geebus> epscy: currently, there is no way to spend those coins.
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315 2012-06-29 11:50:18 <Geebus> epscy: I had a similar situation with 0.00002068 BTC comprised of a little over 1000 micro amount sources requiring a fee of over 1000.0 BTC to send.
316 2012-06-29 11:50:34 <epscy> Geebus: wouldn't using an older client work?
317 2012-06-29 11:50:49 <epscy> or waiting for the txes to mature?
318 2012-06-29 11:51:00 <sipa> over 1000 BTC seems very unlikely
319 2012-06-29 11:51:24 <Geebus> sipa: unlikely, unreasonable, but entirely valid.
320 2012-06-29 11:51:31 <Geebus> epscy: I don'
321 2012-06-29 11:51:34 <sipa> gmaxwell did some calculations on the maximum fee the client ever requests
322 2012-06-29 11:51:44 <sipa> s/requests/enforces/
323 2012-06-29 11:51:50 <Geebus> t know about the maturity, but an older client might work.
324 2012-06-29 11:52:27 <sipa> mandatory fees were introduced in 0.3.20 iirc, and since them they've only been decreased
325 2012-06-29 11:52:53 <sipa> and such an old client won't be able to open your wallet file
326 2012-06-29 11:53:04 <epscy> awesome
327 2012-06-29 11:53:21 <Geebus> I'd have to get on my other box to take a screenshot, but my calculated fee was over 1k to send less than 1 cent.
328 2012-06-29 11:53:39 <sipa> did you set the voluntary fee very high?
329 2012-06-29 11:53:39 <epscy> Geebus: how can you check that?
330 2012-06-29 11:53:47 <epscy> is there a command to do it?
331 2012-06-29 11:53:59 <Geebus> sipa: I tried setting it to 10 BTC at one point and it still wouldn't work.
332 2012-06-29 11:54:09 <sipa> ?
333 2012-06-29 11:54:16 <Geebus> epscy: no, I had to modify the source.
334 2012-06-29 11:54:30 <sipa> if you increase the voluntary fee, it will only send more obviously
335 2012-06-29 11:55:03 <epscy> sipa: but over time i should be able to spend the coins right?
336 2012-06-29 11:55:15 <sipa> the transaction will not become any less complex
337 2012-06-29 11:55:26 <sipa> so the fee won't change
338 2012-06-29 11:55:27 <Geebus> Well, cause or calculation aside, currently, there is no way to spend those coins.
339 2012-06-29 11:55:39 <sipa> only the fact whether it requires a fee at all, or not
340 2012-06-29 11:56:07 <sipa> but if you set the voluntary fee high, you'll pay high fees - especially for a complex transaction with many inputs
341 2012-06-29 11:56:20 <Geebus> I tried setting low fees as well
342 2012-06-29 11:56:42 <sipa> well, i don't believe it required a 1000 BTC fee when you set the voluntary fee to 0
343 2012-06-29 11:56:55 <sipa> but yes, bitcoin is not intended to do micro transactions
344 2012-06-29 11:57:57 <epscy> so i see
345 2012-06-29 11:58:21 <Geebus> With a fixed amount of bitcoins possible to be generated, and billions of people on the planet, with even a small percentage of the population adopting it, micro transactions are the inevitable fate of Bitcoin.
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347 2012-06-29 11:58:55 <sipa> by micro-transactions i mean very small amounts of value; not very small amounts of bitcoin
348 2012-06-29 11:59:25 <Geebus> txes in sizes of 0.00000001, for example.
349 2012-06-29 11:59:26 <sipa> if bitcoin becomes more popular, and more used, and its value rises accordingly, the network will scale to adapt more usage
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351 2012-06-29 12:00:16 <Geebus> With it's current popularity, this is already an issue.
352 2012-06-29 12:00:25 <sipa> but small transactions cost the bitcoin network (which is a very expensive beast, but maintained voluntarily by anyone who sees value in having such a system) the same amount as large transactions
353 2012-06-29 12:00:48 <Geebus> I know of at least a few people with wallets that are essentially unusable due to this exact situation/error/cause
354 2012-06-29 12:01:02 <epscy> so let's just be clear here, this isn't a limitation of the protocol
355 2012-06-29 12:01:11 <epscy> this is the stock bitcoin client enforcing this?
356 2012-06-29 12:01:14 <sipa> no, the protocol can deal with it
357 2012-06-29 12:01:15 <sipa> yes
358 2012-06-29 12:01:36 <sipa> Geebus: and why do they have such small amounts in the first place?
359 2012-06-29 12:01:39 <sipa> satoshidice?
360 2012-06-29 12:01:47 <Geebus> Possibly, sure.
361 2012-06-29 12:01:56 <coiax> I'm confused, what stops a client combining gradually through multiple transactions, a number of smaller amounts into a single address?
362 2012-06-29 12:02:18 <sipa> coiax: bitcoin does internally not reason in terms of addresses; those are just the authentication layer on top
363 2012-06-29 12:02:20 <epscy> could i send my coins to myself?
364 2012-06-29 12:02:24 <sipa> yes
365 2012-06-29 12:02:24 <epscy> would that fix it?
366 2012-06-29 12:02:26 <sipa> no
367 2012-06-29 12:02:29 <Geebus> epscy: no
368 2012-06-29 12:02:36 <epscy> why not?
369 2012-06-29 12:02:48 <Geebus> Because it is still a complex transaction
370 2012-06-29 12:02:54 <sipa> to the bitcoin network, a send-to-self is indistinguishable from another transaction
371 2012-06-29 12:02:55 <Geebus> comprised of many inputs
372 2012-06-29 12:03:20 <epscy> ok
373 2012-06-29 12:03:57 <epscy> i assumed that sending all my coins to one address would make future transactions less complex
374 2012-06-29 12:04:02 <sipa> yes
375 2012-06-29 12:04:08 <sipa> it would
376 2012-06-29 12:04:17 <epscy> so worth trying?
377 2012-06-29 12:04:24 <sipa> but the transaction to combine them would be just as complex
378 2012-06-29 12:04:27 <sipa> or even more
379 2012-06-29 12:04:40 <epscy> what's the worst that could happen?
380 2012-06-29 12:04:47 <sipa> the transaction doesn't config
381 2012-06-29 12:04:49 <sipa> confirm
382 2012-06-29 12:04:51 <Geebus> epscy: you lose a bunch of coins in tx fees
383 2012-06-29 12:05:31 <epscy> hmmm, this "you don't know what the tx fee will be until you send it" stuff is annoying
384 2012-06-29 12:05:58 <Geebus> epscy: in this case, you don't know the tx fee at all, because it determined that it is just too high to even bother telling you.
385 2012-06-29 12:10:38 <Geebus> sipa: thanks for the info earlier. I appreciate it.
386 2012-06-29 12:10:44 <Geebus> Off to sleep.
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393 2012-06-29 12:24:22 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: mhredmond21 opened pull request 1533 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1533>
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451 2012-06-29 14:47:52 <sipa> ;;bc,gen 10000
452 2012-06-29 14:47:52 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 10000 Khps, given current difficulty of 1726566.5591935 , is 0.0058255986439 BTC per day and 0.000242733276829 BTC per hour.
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455 2012-06-29 14:53:04 <drizztbsd> lol? 10m
456 2012-06-29 14:55:14 <jgarzik> ;;bc,calc 10000
457 2012-06-29 14:55:14 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 10000 Khps, given current difficulty of 1726566.5591935 , is 23 years, 26 weeks, 5 days, 19 hours, 24 minutes, and 50 seconds
458 2012-06-29 14:55:33 <jgarzik> ...but you never know, with a martingale bot you might get lucky!
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462 2012-06-29 15:07:40 <jgarzik> ;;bc,calc 100000
463 2012-06-29 15:07:41 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 100000 Khps, given current difficulty of 1726566.5591935 , is 2 years, 18 weeks, 2 days, 6 hours, 44 minutes, and 29 seconds
464 2012-06-29 15:07:54 <jgarzik> ;;bc,calc 1000
465 2012-06-29 15:07:55 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1000 Khps, given current difficulty of 1726566.5591935 , is 235 years, 7 weeks, 4 days, 2 hours, 8 minutes, and 26 seconds
466 2012-06-29 15:07:58 <jgarzik> heh
467 2012-06-29 15:08:07 <jgarzik> and for pyminer...
468 2012-06-29 15:08:11 <jgarzik> ;;bc,calc 50
469 2012-06-29 15:08:11 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 50 Khps, given current difficulty of 1726566.5591935 , is 4702 years, 47 weeks, 2 days, 18 hours, 48 minutes, and 42 seconds
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471 2012-06-29 15:08:48 <gmaxwell> meh, a few months on that is still better than most lotteries!
472 2012-06-29 15:09:50 <gavinandresen> what's the number for the BFL jalapeno gadget supposed to be?
473 2012-06-29 15:10:05 <Obsi> 3.5 ghash
474 2012-06-29 15:10:26 <gavinandresen> ;;bc,calc 3500000
475 2012-06-29 15:10:27 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 3500000 Khps, given current difficulty of 1726566.5591935 , is 3 weeks, 3 days, 12 hours, 32 minutes, and 7 seconds
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477 2012-06-29 15:18:34 <jgarzik> ;;bc,calc 40000000
478 2012-06-29 15:18:35 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 40000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 1726566.5591935 , is 2 days, 3 hours, 29 minutes, and 48 seconds
479 2012-06-29 15:18:55 <jgarzik> (BFL SC Single)
480 2012-06-29 15:19:06 <Obsi> did you order any BFL hardware?
481 2012-06-29 15:19:51 <sipa> if they really get 3.5 GH/s for $150, the impact on the mining economy will be huge
482 2012-06-29 15:20:18 <Obsi> it will help spread it out that's for sure. I bought some for family & friends
483 2012-06-29 15:20:48 <epscy> Obsi: people keep saying that, but I am not so sure
484 2012-06-29 15:21:10 <epscy> I think any decentralization of mining that occurs will be shortlived
485 2012-06-29 15:21:33 <jgarzik> the difficulty will shoot up, then everything else will return to normal.
486 2012-06-29 15:21:50 <sipa> uhu
487 2012-06-29 15:22:10 <Obsi> they run off USB power so the draw will be negligible, plus everyone I know drinks coffee :)
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489 2012-06-29 15:23:15 <sipa> where do you read that?
490 2012-06-29 15:24:00 <epscy> Obsi: yeah i am not totally convinced by the coffee warmer concept
491 2012-06-29 15:24:05 <jgarzik> In the short term, as long as BFL doesn't ship a huge percentage of chips to a single entity, things should be ok.  In the long term, ASIC competitors are inevitable.
492 2012-06-29 15:24:17 <jgarzik> even private ASIC competitors
493 2012-06-29 15:24:36 <epscy> so i have a cup of coffee
494 2012-06-29 15:24:46 <epscy> and it is plugged in to the wall?
495 2012-06-29 15:25:00 <epscy> or it has batteries which i need to replace periodically?
496 2012-06-29 15:25:01 <gavinandresen> no, it sits on top of the little USB-powered doohickey
497 2012-06-29 15:25:22 <gavinandresen> Actually, probably not USB powered, probably USB and separate plug....
498 2012-06-29 15:25:36 <epscy> gavinandresen: ahh, that does make more sense
499 2012-06-29 15:25:55 <jgarzik> As long as bitcoin is this tiny, it is "for sale" to anyone with a few million dollars to spare.
500 2012-06-29 15:25:59 <sipa> USB is limited to what what? 5W?
501 2012-06-29 15:26:07 <Graet> they claim usb3 will provide enough power
502 2012-06-29 15:26:10 <jgarzik> The community just needs to be vigilant about usage.
503 2012-06-29 15:26:12 <sipa> if they managed to get 3.5 GH/s in 5W ...
504 2012-06-29 15:26:13 <epscy> still think they will end up being equivalent to a cheap GPU today
505 2012-06-29 15:26:35 <jgarzik> If anyone disrupts bitcoin overmuch, the community will surely take action and route around that annoyance.
506 2012-06-29 15:26:40 <sipa> ah, USB3 goes to 9W
507 2012-06-29 15:26:47 <gavinandresen> 9W coffee warmer works
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510 2012-06-29 15:33:09 <helo> so long as the chip doesn't mind a fresh cup of 90C coffee sitting on it
511 2012-06-29 15:33:55 <epscy> helo: yeah i would assume air is a better conductor of heat than a cup of coffee
512 2012-06-29 15:34:04 <epscy> but i assume they have thought of that
513 2012-06-29 15:34:26 <gmaxwell> Certantly it's possible to build things that don't mind; milspec for ICs goes up to 125c or so.
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515 2012-06-29 15:43:10 <[Tycho]> Heh :)
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522 2012-06-29 16:03:06 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: mhredmond21 opened issue 1534 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1534>
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530 2012-06-29 16:31:01 <sturles> UB3 can only deliver 9W in charger mode with no data connection.  9W with data connection violates spec because ground will get pulled to high on the device.
531 2012-06-29 16:32:10 <sturles> It may work with a short cable, but still violates spec.
532 2012-06-29 16:32:52 <Diablo-D3> ub3? usb3?
533 2012-06-29 16:35:04 <luke-jr> sipa: Jalapeno on USB 2 requires another power source IIRC
534 2012-06-29 16:36:20 <sturles> Yes, USB3.
535 2012-06-29 16:37:21 <Diablo-D3> usb3 can do up to 900ma
536 2012-06-29 16:37:44 <Diablo-D3> both usb2 and 3 can do charger spec, but you have to short the data pins to enable it
537 2012-06-29 16:38:08 <Diablo-D3> sturles: 9 watts is too high though
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540 2012-06-29 16:40:57 <Diablo-D3> sturles: oh wait a second
541 2012-06-29 16:41:02 <Diablo-D3> Im wrong
542 2012-06-29 16:41:16 <Diablo-D3> usb2 or 3 doing charger spec can do 1.5a WITHOUT shorting the pins
543 2012-06-29 16:41:31 <Diablo-D3> 5a while in charger mode
544 2012-06-29 16:43:54 <luke-jr> sturles: no, USB 3 works without another powr source :p
545 2012-06-29 16:44:16 <luke-jr> sturles: USB 2 requires a separate power source
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547 2012-06-29 16:45:06 <luke-jr> in other news, crashing Bitcoin right at the start of CWallet::AddToWallet results in losing that transaction in your wallet and it not being picked up later…
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550 2012-06-29 16:47:02 <sturles> Hmm.  I checked, and it seems they have solved the problem by specifying a minimum voltage of 4 in USB3 vs 4.4 in USB2.  So a USB3 device may pull 900mA (4.5W) without vilolating spec.
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552 2012-06-29 16:48:15 <Diablo-D3> sturles: 900ma at 5v
553 2012-06-29 16:49:26 <luke-jr> -rescan helps ofc
554 2012-06-29 16:53:59 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: luke-jr opened issue 1535 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1535>
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559 2012-06-29 17:14:57 <sturles> Diablo-D3: Which will be 4V at the device if the cable is maximum length according to spec.
560 2012-06-29 17:15:12 <sturles> Diablo-D3: Due to resistance in cable and connectors.
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593 2012-06-29 19:21:23 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: coblee opened pull request 1536 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1536>
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608 2012-06-29 19:47:07 <yellowhat> blockexplorer.com down apparently
609 2012-06-29 19:47:36 <yellowhat> and blockchain.info behind about 5 blocks
610 2012-06-29 19:47:50 <yellowhat> something is fishy?
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612 2012-06-29 19:49:42 <andytoshi> i am reading the commits for this week, and see a lot of tor stuff
613 2012-06-29 19:49:52 <andytoshi> very cool -- thanks, sipa
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629 2012-06-29 20:18:21 <sipa> andytoshi: :)
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643 2012-06-29 21:26:40 <yexxxxx> hello is it possible to merge all the bitcoin in diferent addresses in just one in a wallet?
644 2012-06-29 21:28:25 <yexxxxx> i am accepting micropayments, so when i transfer all the bitcoins to my outside wallet the transaction size is too big
645 2012-06-29 21:28:30 <yexxxxx> so it has a very high fee
646 2012-06-29 21:28:42 <yexxxxx> is it possible?
647 2012-06-29 21:28:55 <sipa> you can send them to an address of your own
648 2012-06-29 21:29:21 <sipa> but that will still require you to create a transaction that combines all those coins
649 2012-06-29 21:29:38 <yexxxxx> i've just did a test
650 2012-06-29 21:29:45 <yexxxxx> doing that
651 2012-06-29 21:29:49 <yexxxxx> http://blockchain.info/tx-index/10898413/5229002d5d88fa78e6d5245784a68fc204d70708c6d2b20a4542510be79de6c2
652 2012-06-29 21:30:14 <yexxxxx> i have thousands of addresses with very little amount of bitcoins
653 2012-06-29 21:30:21 <yexxxxx> is there a solution?
654 2012-06-29 21:31:22 <sipa> not accepting such small amounts in the first place; bitcoin is not intended for microtransactions
655 2012-06-29 21:32:06 <sipa> you can try to find a miner which wants to mine them for a possible lower fee, and send the transactions directly there
656 2012-06-29 21:32:07 <Prattler> can also wait if bitcoin ever costs $1000+
657 2012-06-29 21:32:14 <Prattler> then your small transactions are no longer small
658 2012-06-29 21:32:44 <maaku> BlueMatt: did you document how you setup jenkins.bluematt.me?
659 2012-06-29 21:33:00 <maaku> I'm attempting a similar bitcoind continuous integration setup
660 2012-06-29 21:33:29 <yexxxxx> can i send them to me without confirmation and then send them to another wallet and spect them to be confirmed?
661 2012-06-29 21:33:59 <yexxxxx> with fee = 0
662 2012-06-29 21:34:20 <sipa> from the viewpoint of the network, there is no difference between a send to self a send elsewhere
663 2012-06-29 21:34:32 <sipa> there is not even a way to distinguish them
664 2012-06-29 21:34:36 <yexxxxx> send them to me with fee = 0 and then setup a higher fee and send them to other address
665 2012-06-29 21:34:47 <sipa> in theory, yes
666 2012-06-29 21:35:02 <yexxxxx> with fee = 0 i assume they are not going to be mined, but i can accept them anyway?
667 2012-06-29 21:35:23 <sipa> right now, sending any transaction with fee=0 is dangerous
668 2012-06-29 21:35:23 <yexxxxx> and then send them and have them mined?
669 2012-06-29 21:36:12 <sipa> the client does not deal well with non-confirming transactions, and miners do not use fees from subsequent transactions to determine the priorities of earlier unconfirmed transactions
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671 2012-06-29 21:36:29 <sipa> in the long term, i expect that to change and become more common
672 2012-06-29 21:37:07 <yexxxxx> ok
673 2012-06-29 21:37:33 <yexxxxx> so there's no solution at this point of the story... ok :)
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675 2012-06-29 21:37:52 <maaku> there is a solution: don't use the block chain
676 2012-06-29 21:38:26 <sipa> but you still need to get your transaction in the chain, before you want any payment done using its outputs to be confirmable
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679 2012-06-29 21:39:46 <maaku> i meant request people to use some other wallet service (mtgox, bitinstant, roll your own, whatever)
680 2012-06-29 21:40:25 <yexxxxx> i will request a fee for each transaction
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682 2012-06-29 21:43:29 <maaku> BlueMatt: n/m, I found it in the console log :)
683 2012-06-29 21:52:52 <Obsi> hypothetically, if one were to notice a 51% threat to the network, what would be the proper avenue of disclosure?
684 2012-06-29 21:54:04 <BlueMatt> maaku: if you want the bash script which jenkins runs, Ill gladly forward them
685 2012-06-29 21:54:45 <BlueMatt> maaku: also, if you want to improve them (and add actually useful test cases aside from very, very basic sanity tests, Id gladly give you access to jenkins so you can tweak the bash scripts)
686 2012-06-29 21:54:48 <maaku> yes, that'd be great; although I think I found it anyway at the top of the latest console output
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688 2012-06-29 21:56:52 <luke-jr> Obsi: like, someone has 51%, or there's a vuln making it easier to do?
689 2012-06-29 21:57:18 <BlueMatt> maaku: http://pastebin.com/zpUU2eMT
690 2012-06-29 21:57:20 <Obsi> like someone has 51%
691 2012-06-29 21:57:30 <BlueMatt> (3 separate scripts there)
692 2012-06-29 21:57:35 <luke-jr> Obsi: I think just shout it to the world - it's not like the info can be abused
693 2012-06-29 21:57:46 <maaku> BlueMatt: awesome, thanks :)
694 2012-06-29 21:57:49 <Obsi> kk, ty
695 2012-06-29 21:57:59 <luke-jr> Obsi: wait for someone else to agree :p
696 2012-06-29 21:58:47 <maaku> I'm setting up a jenkins build bot to do mac, linux, & windows builds on each commit
697 2012-06-29 21:59:09 <BlueMatt> maaku: mac, I dont do, windows and linux builds are done on those scripts
698 2012-06-29 21:59:36 <maaku> BlueMatt: cool, thanks; i'll share my changes
699 2012-06-29 21:59:37 <BlueMatt> maaku: if you wish to contribute stuff for mac builds, Ill gladly give you enough access to jenkins.bluematt.me to do so, if you dont feel like duplicating effort there
700 2012-06-29 22:00:45 <Diapolo> maaku: Are you working in the Qt Mac version, too?
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702 2012-06-29 22:01:28 <maaku> Diapolo: yes
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704 2012-06-29 22:03:08 <Diapolo> maaku: Can you take a look at the #ifdef Q_WS_MAC stuf for GUI layout ... it would be nice if those can be removed at some time at least for GUI element widths and that stuff.
705 2012-06-29 22:03:13 <Diapolo> +f
706 2012-06-29 22:03:47 <maaku> BlueMatt: sure. at the moment it's just a Mac Mini jenkins build-slave. once it's working and I'm happy with the performance i can have it connect to your jenkins server too, to do the Mac builds
707 2012-06-29 22:04:09 <BlueMatt> maaku: would be awesome
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710 2012-06-29 22:13:57 <luke-jr> maaku: just for master, or all branches? ;)
711 2012-06-29 22:14:25 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: oh...yea need to do your branches...let me go set up duplicate jobs for that
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713 2012-06-29 22:15:27 <maaku> luke-jr: whatever branches there's a demand for
714 2012-06-29 22:15:27 * luke-jr thinks ideally it'd be nice to get automatic builds for the stable branches, next, next-test, and all pullrequests that build
715 2012-06-29 22:16:04 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: pull requests is hard to do, doing any given git branch isnt...
716 2012-06-29 22:16:24 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: can't just iterate over all the pullreq branches?
717 2012-06-29 22:16:49 * luke-jr has his git setup so they all show up as remotes/origin-pull/<number>/merge
718 2012-06-29 22:16:59 <maaku> this exceeds my jenkins-foo :\
719 2012-06-29 22:17:02 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: dunno...I would guess github api may be able to give the list or git branches to do...
720 2012-06-29 22:17:05 <maaku> luke-jr: ah, ok that might be possible then
721 2012-06-29 22:17:05 <maaku> \
722 2012-06-29 22:17:23 <luke-jr> [remote "origin-pull"]
723 2012-06-29 22:17:25 <luke-jr>     fetch = +refs/pull/*:refs/remotes/origin-pull/*
724 2012-06-29 22:17:26 <luke-jr>     url = git://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.git
725 2012-06-29 22:17:28 <luke-jr> in .git/config
726 2012-06-29 22:18:16 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: requiring everyone to number their branches properly doesnt really help...dunno, Ill have to look into github's api sometime to see if they provide enough info to do it easily in bash
727 2012-06-29 22:18:41 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: it's automatic
728 2012-06-29 22:19:01 <luke-jr> add that .git/config remote section, then just: git fetch origin-pull
729 2012-06-29 22:19:05 <luke-jr> it makes all the branches by number
730 2012-06-29 22:19:57 <maaku> luke-jr: definitely is possible then, but not sure how to integrate it into jenkins in a way that makes sense…
731 2012-06-29 22:20:13 <maaku> a separate jenkins project for each pull request, or …?
732 2012-06-29 22:20:38 <luke-jr> I'm not familiar with jenkins
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736 2012-06-29 22:21:50 <BlueMatt> maaku: no, Id guess do a loop in bash to iterate over the pull requests
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738 2012-06-29 22:22:25 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: all you need to know about jenkins: run bash script: if (returns error) build fails; else build succeeds;
739 2012-06-29 22:22:34 <maaku> BlueMatt: yeah, that's what I thought, but where? in the build script? then all pull requests would show up as a single job
740 2012-06-29 22:22:42 <BlueMatt> (well, it has more options for java, etc projects, but for me...its all bash)
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745 2012-06-29 22:23:24 <maaku> BlueMatt: it'd be better to have a "Pull-Requests" tab (like you have for "Bitcoin-Mainline" and "Bitcoin-Testing") with each pull-request listed as a job
746 2012-06-29 22:23:26 <BlueMatt> maaku: Id think that'd be the way to do it...maybe if gihub's api has an option to comment on a pull, just comment "Build failed, see: jenkins.bluematt.me/...
747 2012-06-29 22:23:30 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: why not have jenkins use gitian then? :p
748 2012-06-29 22:23:42 <maaku> luke-jr: that's what I'm doing
749 2012-06-29 22:23:46 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: because it already runs in a vm...or didnt that get fixed?
750 2012-06-29 22:23:55 <maaku> gitian now supports LXC
751 2012-06-29 22:24:00 <maaku> although it's broken, I've found out
752 2012-06-29 22:24:04 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: meh, it runs pretty close to the actual gitian build scripts anyway
753 2012-06-29 22:24:24 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: I enjoy nested VMs
754 2012-06-29 22:24:54 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: well, Im not saying jenkins couldnt use some man-hours to really improve it to make it more sane, but...for now, it works
755 2012-06-29 22:25:01 <luke-jr> ;)
756 2012-06-29 22:25:09 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: anyway, patches/help absolutely welcome, I just havent spent much time on it
757 2012-06-29 22:27:08 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: (if you, or anyone else who wants to help, want an account on the jenkins site so you can tweak the bash scripts, Ill gladly provide them)
758 2012-06-29 22:27:21 <maaku> ok. i'm going to get it jenkins working using gitian LXC + darwin builds (about half-way there already), then see about pull-requests and setting up my mac as a build-bot for jenkins.bluematt.me
759 2012-06-29 22:27:55 <BlueMatt> maaku: alright, well if you want an account on jenkins.bluematt.me so you can modify it, Ill gladly provide one
760 2012-06-29 22:28:03 <BlueMatt> (when you get far enough, that is)
761 2012-06-29 22:28:10 <maaku> alright thx i'll let you know then :)
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779 2012-06-29 23:21:17 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: Diapolo opened pull request 1537 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1537>
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