1 2012-07-13 00:01:30 <gavinandresen> Cannot allocate memory?  You out of disk space or memory?
   2 2012-07-13 00:03:07 <bbqgates> well I haven't monitored my memory when running it, but I have enough disk space....
   3 2012-07-13 00:03:17 <sipa> that BDB error also occurs when BDB runs out of locks
   4 2012-07-13 00:03:27 <bbqgates> how do I tell bitcoin to save to a database?  maybe it's trying to store it in memory
   5 2012-07-13 00:03:36 <sipa> no it's not
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   7 2012-07-13 00:04:06 <sipa> Loading package GLFW-b-0.1.0.2 ... linking ... ghc: /home/pw/.cabal/lib/GLFW-b-0.1.0.2/ghc-7.0.3/HSGLFW-b-0.1.0.2.o: unknown symbol `atexit'
   8 2012-07-13 00:04:11 <sipa> ow, wrong window
   9 2012-07-13 00:04:52 <gavinandresen> sipa: is there still a running-out-of-locks problem? I thought we fixed that in 0.6.something
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  11 2012-07-13 00:04:57 <gavinandresen> (we meaning you)
  12 2012-07-13 00:05:33 <sipa> bbqgates: how much RAM do you have?
  13 2012-07-13 00:05:39 <bbqgates> what's a BDB error: bad Database?
  14 2012-07-13 00:05:44 <bbqgates> sipa: 4 GB
  15 2012-07-13 00:05:52 <sipa> should certainly be enough
  16 2012-07-13 00:06:01 <sipa> that sounds like a corrupted file...
  17 2012-07-13 00:06:20 <bbqgates> well I just downloaded it... untared it and ran it
  18 2012-07-13 00:06:46 <sipa> is it always at the same block that it complains?
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  21 2012-07-13 00:07:03 <sipa> can you paste a few pages of debug.log (at the end) somewhere?
  22 2012-07-13 00:07:05 <bbqgates> yeah it seems to always be around ~145000 block
  23 2012-07-13 00:07:20 <bbqgates> where's the debug.log stored at ??? /var?
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  25 2012-07-13 00:07:29 <sipa> ~/.bitcoin/debug.log
  26 2012-07-13 00:07:37 <bbqgates> hmm ok let me look
  27 2012-07-13 00:08:46 <bbqgates> wow long log
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  30 2012-07-13 00:11:26 <gavinandresen> tail -500 ~/.bitcoin/debug.log is your friend
  31 2012-07-13 00:12:41 <bbqgates> lol ok thanks for the tip gavinandersen
  32 2012-07-13 00:13:03 <luke-jr> I like 'less'
  33 2012-07-13 00:13:18 <sipa> thankfully, less is more than more
  34 2012-07-13 00:13:22 <luke-jr> and 'wgetpaste'
  35 2012-07-13 00:13:26 <bbqgates> http://pastebin.com/mPEGJMcg
  36 2012-07-13 00:13:34 <bbqgates> ok there is where it started spitting out the error
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  39 2012-07-13 00:16:19 <sipa> it complains at connecting block 43789
  40 2012-07-13 00:16:32 <sipa> a 43 KiB block...
  41 2012-07-13 00:17:51 <bbqgates> is a 43KiB block ... corrupt?
  42 2012-07-13 00:18:06 <bbqgates> abnormal size?
  43 2012-07-13 00:18:10 <sipa> if it was corrupt there would be different errors
  44 2012-07-13 00:18:13 <sipa> and no, it is small
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  46 2012-07-13 00:18:32 <sipa> not sure what's causing this
  47 2012-07-13 00:19:32 <bbqgates> I was getting this error the other day and I reinstalled my os and i'm getting the same error :P
  48 2012-07-13 00:19:42 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: where in pull 1240 are you sorting by fee-per-kb ?
  49 2012-07-13 00:20:28 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: oh, never mind, I see, you changed the priority algorithm
  50 2012-07-13 00:20:34 <bbqgates> I'm on debian squeeze if that helps
  51 2012-07-13 00:22:22 <bbqgates> would dropping down to bitcoin 0.6.2 help?
  52 2012-07-13 00:22:29 <sipa> doubtful
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  62 2012-07-13 00:43:24 <bbqgates> ok well thanks for helping sipa and gavinandresen
  63 2012-07-13 00:43:47 <sipa> i find it remarkable that the problem persists
  64 2012-07-13 00:43:56 <bbqgates> what would you recommend as an alternative wallet?
  65 2012-07-13 00:44:12 <bbqgates> yeah it has... I totally wiped the drive and reinstalled... and here it is again
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  67 2012-07-13 00:46:42 <bbqgates> it saves the blocks in .bitcoin/database right?
  68 2012-07-13 00:47:18 <bbqgates> in that directory I have 3 10MB files named log.xxxxxxxxxx#....
  69 2012-07-13 00:48:15 <sipa> no, in blk0001.dat
  70 2012-07-13 00:48:35 <sipa> the dir database only contains the db transaction log
  71 2012-07-13 00:48:47 <bbqgates> hmm ok blk0001.dat is only 10.3 MB
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  73 2012-07-13 00:51:11 <bbqgates> now if I try rerunning it it gives me the following error -> Error: To use bitcoind, you must set a rpcpassword in the configuration file:
  74 2012-07-13 00:51:29 <sipa> did you?
  75 2012-07-13 00:51:59 <bbqgates> no let me try that
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  80 2012-07-13 00:54:43 <bbqgates> ok I did that and now instead of a Db::put error.... I'm getting a Db::get error
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  82 2012-07-13 00:55:15 <bbqgates> Db::get: Cannot allocate memory
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  86 2012-07-13 00:56:33 <bbqgates> here's a link with people having the same identical problem -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=9325.0
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  88 2012-07-13 01:03:11 <D34TH> whats your openfile limit?
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 102 2012-07-13 01:12:42 <bbqgates> D34TH, how do I check that?
 103 2012-07-13 01:12:52 <D34TH> ulimit -n
 104 2012-07-13 01:12:53 <D34TH> ?
 105 2012-07-13 01:13:06 <bbqgates> 1024
 106 2012-07-13 01:13:16 <D34TH> soomes ok
 107 2012-07-13 01:13:36 <D34TH> **seems
 108 2012-07-13 01:14:09 <D34TH> what about lsof | wc -l
 109 2012-07-13 01:16:01 <sipa> is the total number of file descriotors on the system relevant?
 110 2012-07-13 01:16:21 <D34TH> out of file descriptors?
 111 2012-07-13 01:16:29 <D34TH> wouldnt allow more open files
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 113 2012-07-13 01:16:38 <D34TH> idk just an idea
 114 2012-07-13 01:19:07 <bbqgates> lsof | wc -l .... -> 3566
 115 2012-07-13 01:19:15 <bbqgates> thanks for the help D34TH
 116 2012-07-13 01:19:46 <D34TH> i tried
 117 2012-07-13 01:21:37 <bbqgates> :)
 118 2012-07-13 01:25:04 <phantomcircuit> slowest way to download blocks
 119 2012-07-13 01:25:11 <phantomcircuit> mirrored disks with mirrored mirror log
 120 2012-07-13 01:25:25 <phantomcircuit> click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click
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 123 2012-07-13 01:26:30 <sipa> slowest would be a software raid over several network block devices hosted on different machines, mounted via sshfs over a 2G mobile data connection
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 126 2012-07-13 01:29:26 <BlueMatt> meh, just do it on a raid across floppy drives
 127 2012-07-13 01:29:50 <BlueMatt> (with a blocksize of the size of the drives, what 1.4M?)
 128 2012-07-13 01:30:21 <MC1984> you are supposed to be discussing how to make it faster not slower assholes
 129 2012-07-13 01:30:34 <BlueMatt> faster: ultraprune
 130 2012-07-13 01:30:41 <BlueMatt> or...bitcoinj ultraprune
 131 2012-07-13 01:30:46 <MC1984> wut
 132 2012-07-13 01:30:56 <D34TH> or... --no-log
 133 2012-07-13 01:31:04 <D34TH> and --no-chain
 134 2012-07-13 01:31:06 <D34TH> :D
 135 2012-07-13 01:31:13 <BlueMatt> --no-security ;)
 136 2012-07-13 01:31:19 <D34TH> :)
 137 2012-07-13 01:31:40 <MC1984> is that like pruning, now with 20% extra prune
 138 2012-07-13 01:32:02 <D34TH> nah see, you have to juice the prune
 139 2012-07-13 01:32:07 <D34TH> to get the extract
 140 2012-07-13 01:32:12 <D34TH> i.e. prune juice
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 142 2012-07-13 01:32:43 <BlueMatt> MC1984: sort of, yea
 143 2012-07-13 01:35:14 <sipa> --accept-double-spends
 144 2012-07-13 01:35:20 <D34TH> no
 145 2012-07-13 01:35:27 <D34TH> --accept-triple-spends
 146 2012-07-13 01:35:34 <sipa> haha
 147 2012-07-13 01:35:52 <sipa> --use-triple-rot13-encrypted-wallet
 148 2012-07-13 01:36:00 <D34TH> base64
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 150 2012-07-13 01:36:21 <BlueMatt> triple rot13, naaa thats no where near as secure as --use-quad-rot13-encrypted-wallet
 151 2012-07-13 01:36:32 <sipa> overkill!
 152 2012-07-13 01:36:47 <D34TH> you lose performace after 3 rotations
 153 2012-07-13 01:36:58 <D34TH> **performance
 154 2012-07-13 01:37:28 <BlueMatt> heh
 155 2012-07-13 01:37:42 <MC1984> this is why nerds dont have girlfriends
 156 2012-07-13 01:37:57 <D34TH> because we used quad rot13?
 157 2012-07-13 01:37:59 <D34TH> DAMN
 158 2012-07-13 01:38:24 <D34TH> i blame bluematt
 159 2012-07-13 01:38:34 <BlueMatt> sipa: got data size down to 110M with 21M (:o) in relational db index id fields...
 160 2012-07-13 01:39:17 <D34TH> hmm instead of base58 why not esab85
 161 2012-07-13 01:39:18 <D34TH> :D
 162 2012-07-13 01:39:32 <BlueMatt> ooo...bigger number, it must be better
 163 2012-07-13 01:40:02 <BlueMatt> anyway, Im gonna go sleep, Im not being productive...sipa, enjoy vacation
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 166 2012-07-13 01:43:02 <sipa> BlueMatt: is that 110M serialized, or on-disk?
 167 2012-07-13 01:44:08 <BlueMatt> sipa: serialized
 168 2012-07-13 01:44:43 <CluckCreek> Forgive me if this is an overasked question, but if someone had more than half of the network's CPU power, would it be possible for them to make the difficulty easier than it should be, so that they can mine coins faster?
 169 2012-07-13 01:45:50 <BlueMatt> if you have >51%, you could ignore all other blocks and just miner your own chain, then you would be able to get all blocks (probabilistically)
 170 2012-07-13 01:47:04 <CluckCreek> That's what I thought.
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 172 2012-07-13 01:48:17 <luke-jr> CluckCreek: btw, there's effectively no CPU power on the network mining these days
 173 2012-07-13 01:48:48 <CluckCreek> Wouldn't that be really bad? Would it be possible to go through all the bitcoin-adding blocks very quickly by making the difficultly really easy?
 174 2012-07-13 01:49:02 <CluckCreek> Forgive me, "hashing power"
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 176 2012-07-13 01:52:41 <luke-jr> CluckCreek: yes, that's why Bitcoin tries to make it impossible
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 178 2012-07-13 01:52:57 <luke-jr> the whole reason for the proof-of-work mining is to make 51% attacks hard
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 180 2012-07-13 01:54:20 <CluckCreek> okay
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 184 2012-07-13 02:03:36 <MC1984> dat netsplit
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 188 2012-07-13 02:05:35 <jrmithdobbs> w/e, hate that bot
 189 2012-07-13 02:05:48 <luke-jr> ;;last --from gma
 190 2012-07-13 02:05:50 <luke-jr> ;;last --from gmaxwell
 191 2012-07-13 02:05:57 <luke-jr> hmm, it's not even here
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 294 2012-07-13 06:08:26 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: Diapolo opened pull request 1591 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1591>
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 310 2012-07-13 06:54:43 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: Diapolo opened pull request 1593 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1593>
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 409 2012-07-13 11:33:34 <Diablo-D3> today is friday the 13th
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 418 2012-07-13 11:43:50 <Joric> what's that godawful electrum interface http://bitcoin.org/clients.html there's no such version available atm
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 420 2012-07-13 11:44:50 <Joric> where i may download it? ecdsa doesn't link to electrum-lite gui
 421 2012-07-13 11:45:39 <Joric> oh there's a "lite gui" option
 422 2012-07-13 11:48:33 <Joric> cool it may be enabled with "-gui lite" sorry i didn't know that
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 446 2012-07-13 12:18:54 <Commander710> hello
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 455 2012-07-13 12:41:44 <Commander710> hello. can anyone help me with bitcoin daemon?
 456 2012-07-13 12:41:50 <t7> yes
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 458 2012-07-13 12:42:18 <Commander710> ok thanks
 459 2012-07-13 12:42:56 <Commander710> i have a wallet in the .bitcoin directory. when i start bitcoin-qt it displays correct wallet balance.
 460 2012-07-13 12:43:42 <Commander710> but when starting bitcoind and typing bitcoind getbalance it displays 0,00000000 and this is not the correct balance
 461 2012-07-13 12:44:16 <Commander710> i.e. i think bitcoind is not mounting my wallet.dat correctly
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 463 2012-07-13 12:45:07 <AndChat-323049> are you sure your blockchain is fully downloaded?
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 466 2012-07-13 12:46:22 <kinlo> it should be, otherwise he doesn't see the balance in the -qt version
 467 2012-07-13 12:46:35 <kinlo> Commander710: you are not starting them together are you?
 468 2012-07-13 12:46:45 <kinlo> it shouldn't be possible due to locking, but you never know
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 471 2012-07-13 12:47:50 <Commander710> no, i closed bitcoin-qt before and checked that process is shut down
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 473 2012-07-13 12:48:06 <Commander710> so that only the daemon should be running
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 475 2012-07-13 12:49:14 <Commander710> @andchat... yes, blockchain is fully loaded
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 482 2012-07-13 12:55:07 <Commander710> and if blocks wouldn't be fully loaded, the qt wouldn't display correct balance don't you think?
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 485 2012-07-13 13:01:19 <Commander710> ok seems that noone can help me... :(
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 487 2012-07-13 13:09:00 <sipa> Commander710: neither for -qt or d, you use -datadir ?
 488 2012-07-13 13:09:25 <sipa> you can try starting bitcoin-qt with -rescan, but it would surprise me if that would help
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 491 2012-07-13 13:11:41 <Commander710> so i type in console: bitcoin-qt -rescan ?
 492 2012-07-13 13:12:12 <Commander710> and what is datadir?
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 496 2012-07-13 13:17:34 <sipa> Commander710: if you don't know that option, never mind
 497 2012-07-13 13:17:57 <sipa> it tells bitcoind or bitcoin-qt where the data directory (with wallet, blockchain, config) is
 498 2012-07-13 13:18:13 <Commander710> ok...
 499 2012-07-13 13:18:38 <Commander710> thanks anyway. i will try another time. byebye
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 521 2012-07-13 13:36:33 <Fanquake> I have a question about Open SSL and Bitcoin.
 522 2012-07-13 13:38:19 <Fanquake> In this commit, https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1394, the open ssl version in the msw build.txt was changed to 1.0.1d, however the latest version I can find is 1.0.1c  Just wondering what I'm missing here?
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 538 2012-07-13 14:00:31 <jgarzik> indeed, the latest openssl is 1.0.1c
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 541 2012-07-13 14:02:09 <Fanquake> Would you like a pull request to update to that?
 542 2012-07-13 14:02:26 <Fanquake> or one to change 1.0.1d back to 1.0.1b
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 558 2012-07-13 14:23:39 <jgarzik> zounds.  another Bitcoinica hack.
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 560 2012-07-13 14:23:53 <jgarzik> Fanquake: we should fix that, yes
 561 2012-07-13 14:23:59 <jgarzik> Fanquake: wanna create a pull req?
 562 2012-07-13 14:24:16 <Fanquake> Sure thing.
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 564 2012-07-13 14:25:11 <jgarzik> some idiot was apparently using Bitcoinica as an interest bearing savings account... to the tune of $38,000
 565 2012-07-13 14:25:16 <jgarzik> lost it all
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 569 2012-07-13 14:29:41 <copumpkin> jgarzik: a lot more than that
 570 2012-07-13 14:30:03 <copumpkin> 40k usd + 40k btc
 571 2012-07-13 14:30:08 <jgarzik> copumpkin: that last was one person's sad example
 572 2012-07-13 14:30:14 <copumpkin> oh, I see
 573 2012-07-13 14:30:16 <jgarzik> copumpkin: not talking about the hack itself
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 575 2012-07-13 14:30:29 <copumpkin> ah, I thought you meant some idiot = the bitcoinica admins :P
 576 2012-07-13 14:31:30 <jgarzik> heh
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 578 2012-07-13 14:32:36 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: fanquake opened pull request 1595 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1595>
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 585 2012-07-13 14:47:23 <jgarzik> hmmm
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 587 2012-07-13 14:47:29 <jgarzik> if bitcoinica's code is actually public
 588 2012-07-13 14:47:40 <jgarzik> then it can be proved, or disproved, that bitcoinica was a bucket shop
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 590 2012-07-13 14:51:58 <epscy> what is a bucket shop?
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 592 2012-07-13 14:53:04 <BlueMatt> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucket_Shop
 593 2012-07-13 14:53:05 <gmaxwell> epscy: A gambling house in the guise of a market, where people bet on multiples of stock/commodity exchange prices, but the bets are not (fully) backed by the underlying assets.
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 595 2012-07-13 14:55:19 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: I think we're just get into a debate over the definition, phantomcircuit was saying that it canceled long positions against shorts and then hedged on the remaing imbalance by taking positions. But since shorts stop getting more valuable for the house when they get to their call price direct cancling isn't enough, really you'd have to compare long positions against the short basis funds actually have something that could be liquidated
 596 2012-07-13 14:55:45 <gmaxwell> Phantomcircuit didn't seem to agree with my argument there, I couldn't figure out why though.
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 606 2012-07-13 15:03:48 <Cubox> Hi :)
 607 2012-07-13 15:04:22 <Cubox> Is there a way to get the full hash of a merkle root / pubscriptkey without adb ?
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 611 2012-07-13 15:07:29 * jgarzik feels bad for genjix.  I just hope he gets the help he needs, and doesn't go the way of Hans Reiser!  (the last dump of personal problems to a public forum I experienced was Hans Reiser, talking on LKML about why his rotten divorce and wife were delaying reiserfs solutions)
 612 2012-07-13 15:08:04 <jgarzik> sadly, in the business as well as personal realm, bitcoin is proving that virtual currency use requires just as much DD and caution as using Real World Cash.
 613 2012-07-13 15:08:20 <jgarzik> this was obvious to some, but others insist on re-learning this lesson
 614 2012-07-13 15:09:31 <jgarzik> a bitcoin bank has to be... just as secure as a real world bank, and will be attacked from multiple sides by thieves and haters
 615 2012-07-13 15:09:41 <BlueMatt> bitcoin hacking hangout (from the berlin hackathon): https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/3719b18fe4993e33a60ba6e57c119892d25f7b25?authuser=0&hl=en
 616 2012-07-13 15:09:59 <jgarzik> a biz opportunity must be... checked out in depth
 617 2012-07-13 15:11:44 <jgarzik> when a breakin occurs...  secure remaining assets from further theft
 618 2012-07-13 15:12:42 <BlueMatt> I think thats what bitcoinconsultancy is trying to do ;)
 619 2012-07-13 15:13:43 <gavinandresen> I still think any business holding bitcoins for people needs to be bonded and/or insured
 620 2012-07-13 15:14:04 <gavinandresen> ^needs^aught
 621 2012-07-13 15:14:31 <gavinandresen> And I know that it is impossible to buy insurance for that right now, which should tell everybody something about the risks
 622 2012-07-13 15:14:33 <gmaxwell> I wonder if anyone has sought insurance for such a business.
 623 2012-07-13 15:14:40 <gmaxwell> Yea...
 624 2012-07-13 15:16:20 <helo> could there ever be such insurance? isn't it impossible to know when the insured party fakes a theft?
 625 2012-07-13 15:17:02 <BlueMatt> in the general case, its impossible to know when the insured party fakes theft of any insurance, but....thats called insurance fraud ;)
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 627 2012-07-13 15:18:11 <jgarzik> I did a ton of research for what it takes to become a US based bitcoin exchange
 628 2012-07-13 15:18:22 <jgarzik> that required a surety bond in 40+ states
 629 2012-07-13 15:18:25 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: then ran away screaming?
 630 2012-07-13 15:18:33 <jgarzik> and the terms seems to cover virtual theft
 631 2012-07-13 15:18:41 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: pretty much
 632 2012-07-13 15:19:01 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: one background check + reaming per state, with a few states excluded
 633 2012-07-13 15:19:05 * Eliel_ wonders if the multi-sig system could somehow be applicable for insuring bitcoins against theft.
 634 2012-07-13 15:19:20 <jgarzik> I don't mind the background check, but it's the cost and time and paperwork multiplied x50
 635 2012-07-13 15:19:34 <jgarzik> + FinCEN MSB registration, makes 51
 636 2012-07-13 15:20:02 <jeremias> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/3719b18fe4993e33a60ba6e57c119892d25f7b25?authuser=0&hl=en <- bitcoin hackathon remote attendance
 637 2012-07-13 15:20:03 <gavinandresen> a lot of businesses could use multisig so that they never have sole 'signature authority' over funds that they oversee, which might sidestep a lot of hacking and regulations
 638 2012-07-13 15:20:24 * jgarzik was going to be strict and target (require) only-US-citizens-inside-the-US too.  Otherwise you have a ton^2 headaches more.
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 640 2012-07-13 15:20:45 <steve_bobs> gavinandresen, how would that work for an exchange though?
 641 2012-07-13 15:21:07 <jgarzik> multisig is definitely useful for the bitcoin side of things
 642 2012-07-13 15:21:08 <gavinandresen> steve_bobs: I don't think it would work for an exchange, they'll have to be a MSB
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 644 2012-07-13 15:21:41 <Eliel_> for a bitcoin.de style exchange, multisig sounds useful.
 645 2012-07-13 15:21:50 <jgarzik> I'm amazed -- but happy -- that CampBX is still going strong
 646 2012-07-13 15:21:57 <Eliel_> the exchange can do escrow with it
 647 2012-07-13 15:22:27 <jgarzik> after talking with CampBX @ NYC, he said they were registered in Georgia.  If they get bigger, attention will force them to expand... maybe that's a good strategy
 648 2012-07-13 15:22:44 <jgarzik> (Dwolla was doing biz nationally yet registered only in Iowa, for a long time, skating on thin ice IMO)
 649 2012-07-13 15:23:14 <gmaxwell> Am .. I reading this thread correctly?  The bitcoin consultancy folks don't actually know who the owner of Bitcoinica? :-/ oy.
 650 2012-07-13 15:23:45 <sipa> which thread?
 651 2012-07-13 15:23:46 <jgarzik> CA and NY states, at a minimum, have laws akin to "if citizens from $OutState do payment biz with you, you must follow our regs, even if you are not located physically or virtually in $OurState"
 652 2012-07-13 15:23:48 <epscy> gmaxwell: yes i think that is correct
 653 2012-07-13 15:23:59 <Eliel_> gmaxwell: beyond fishy if true...
 654 2012-07-13 15:24:03 <epscy> zhou sold it to a mystery investor some time ago
 655 2012-07-13 15:24:09 <epscy> but continued running it
 656 2012-07-13 15:24:27 <epscy> then went into an agreement with bitcoinconsultancy about running it
 657 2012-07-13 15:24:32 <jgarzik> gmaxwell: url?
 658 2012-07-13 15:24:45 <epscy> but it was always owned by this unknown person
 659 2012-07-13 15:24:56 <gmaxwell> Yea, I knew the owner was non-public. I didn't know it was also unknown to the involved parties.
 660 2012-07-13 15:25:04 <jgarzik> I wonder if it was sold to a triad boss
 661 2012-07-13 15:25:15 * jgarzik has been trying HK triad non-fiction lately
 662 2012-07-13 15:25:20 <jgarzik> *reading
 663 2012-07-13 15:25:53 <gmaxwell> Maybe it was sold to the mybitcoin hacker, or the first Bitcoinica hacker. :-/
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 667 2012-07-13 15:34:00 <doublec> what did lastpass have to do with it? Did someone guess a lastpass password that held all their other passwords or something?
 668 2012-07-13 15:34:10 <OneEyed> doublec: yup
 669 2012-07-13 15:34:35 <bitllc> lastpass's password was the mtgox api key
 670 2012-07-13 15:34:35 <OneEyed> doublec: and "guess" is not the right word, the lastpass password was the Mt.Gox API key, written as-is in the source code as plain text
 671 2012-07-13 15:34:42 <doublec> how'd they even know they used lastpass?
 672 2012-07-13 15:34:44 <bitllc> that was stored in the code and exposed awhule ago
 673 2012-07-13 15:34:56 <doublec> and how'd they know it was the mtgox key that was the p/word
 674 2012-07-13 15:34:59 <doublec> that sounds odd
 675 2012-07-13 15:35:06 <sipa> lucky guess?
 676 2012-07-13 15:35:08 <bitllc> i dont believe it
 677 2012-07-13 15:35:25 <bitllc> noone in their mind would use mtgox autogenerated key as their last pass's password
 678 2012-07-13 15:35:28 <doublec> very lucky - wouldn't lastpass lock the account if there were too many wrong guesses
 679 2012-07-13 15:36:00 <gmaxwell> I thought lastpasses non-two-factor locking was all client side.
 680 2012-07-13 15:36:04 <OneEyed> Oh, doublec here == doublec on #concatenative :)
 681 2012-07-13 15:36:18 <doublec> yes, hi OneEyed :)
 682 2012-07-13 15:36:19 <gmaxwell> thus no two factor.
 683 2012-07-13 15:36:28 <josephcp> I think the two-factor issue is a red herring, the fact that the API key was the master key as-is is not likely at all
 684 2012-07-13 15:36:28 <gmaxwell> er no lockout
 685 2012-07-13 15:37:20 <gmaxwell> No point in discussing it really.
 686 2012-07-13 15:37:30 <OneEyed> doublec: have you noticed that bitcoin input validation method was concatenative?
 687 2012-07-13 15:37:44 <doublec> OneEyed: yep
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 689 2012-07-13 15:37:57 <OneEyed> It was nice to see a quasi-full-fledged Forth interpreter in bitcoind
 690 2012-07-13 15:38:30 <doublec> yeah. it almost gained support for callable quotations when OP_EVAL was being discussed.
 691 2012-07-13 15:38:40 <OneEyed> :)
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 693 2012-07-13 15:39:10 <BlueMatt> TD: does bitcoinj not have p2sh support?
 694 2012-07-13 15:39:17 <TD> it does not
 695 2012-07-13 15:39:31 <BlueMatt> darn, well Ill have to add that then...
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 697 2012-07-13 15:40:20 <yellowhat-hackat> We are starting the Bitcoin Hackathon soon, everyone who is interested to join can do so at
 698 2012-07-13 15:40:22 <yellowhat-hackat> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/3719b18fe4993e33a60ba6e57c119892d25f7b25?authuser=0
 699 2012-07-13 15:40:23 <yellowhat-hackat> we have set up beamer+loudspeaker so everyone can hear and see you. Come and join us!
 700 2012-07-13 15:40:37 <TD> BlueMatt: ok, could you post a brief design doc or list of proposed changes first?
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 702 2012-07-13 15:40:46 <TD> BlueMatt: i'm at the hackathon yellowhat-hackat just announced
 703 2012-07-13 15:40:55 <BlueMatt> TD: just saw you walk in ;)
 704 2012-07-13 15:41:15 <doublec> Is the hackathon working on an ICFP competition solution using bitcoin :)
 705 2012-07-13 15:41:18 <TD> cool
 706 2012-07-13 15:41:32 <BlueMatt> TD: Im saying just add it to Script for now, so that I can call script.getP2SHSigOpCount()
 707 2012-07-13 15:41:36 <doublec> since that started a couple of hours ago too
 708 2012-07-13 15:41:39 <TD> ok
 709 2012-07-13 15:41:47 <TD> BlueMatt: i will take a look at the other code you did soon-ish, but maybe next week
 710 2012-07-13 15:42:02 <TD> i think myself and andreas will be aiming for 2-factor coins this weekend (probably)
 711 2012-07-13 15:42:31 <BlueMatt> TD: hopefully by then Ill have all of the verification stuff done so that its the same as bitcoind (minus script execution)
 712 2012-07-13 15:42:45 <BlueMatt> getting close now, then its all about unit tests for a while
 713 2012-07-13 15:42:50 <TD> that'd be impressive. we have to be careful with merging it to avoid causing issues for the SPV users
 714 2012-07-13 15:42:53 <TD> but yeah, very cool
 715 2012-07-13 15:43:10 <BlueMatt> (most of the checking isnt enabled for SPV users, but...yea definitely)
 716 2012-07-13 15:44:01 <OneEyed> yellowhat-hackat: tell me if the number of slots is limited for people looking only (I have no micro/camera)
 717 2012-07-13 15:45:15 <yellowhat-hackat> i don't know what the limit on hangout is just come over
 718 2012-07-13 15:45:29 <OneEyed> I'm here, all smiling with my baby face :)
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 720 2012-07-13 15:46:51 <BlueMatt> it used to be 10, not sure anymore...
 721 2012-07-13 15:47:05 <BlueMatt> yellowhat-hackat: any chance you could get a better mic for the input audio?
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 723 2012-07-13 15:51:26 <yellowhat-hackat> wait a second
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 726 2012-07-13 15:58:48 <yellowhat-hackat> hangout sort of went down
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 728 2012-07-13 15:59:00 <TD> BlueMatt: i pulled your test fixes, thanks
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 732 2012-07-13 16:03:05 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: RE: MSB regulation:   http://www.businessinsider.com/california-money-transmitter-act-startups-2012-7?utm_source=alerts
 733 2012-07-13 16:04:56 <jgarzik> the MemoryDealers guy had money at Bitcoinica?  I would have thought he'd be smarter than that.
 734 2012-07-13 16:05:25 <sipa> and not just a bit, it seems...
 735 2012-07-13 16:07:17 <helo> i guess the 17-year-old zhou wasn't as much of a genius as everyone had hoped
 736 2012-07-13 16:08:36 <bitllc> what do u mean
 737 2012-07-13 16:08:40 <bitllc> he made money
 738 2012-07-13 16:08:53 <bitllc> intersango fucked up the last two times
 739 2012-07-13 16:09:05 <Eliel_> helo: how so? Did any of the bitcoinica hacks have to do with his code being broken?
 740 2012-07-13 16:09:51 <helo> i guess it may not have been his idea to use the key from his code at mtgox
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 742 2012-07-13 16:10:17 <Eliel_> helo: It was someone called Tihan (whoever that is, no idea)
 743 2012-07-13 16:10:33 <helo> oh... well i retract my comment about zhou :)
 744 2012-07-13 16:11:06 <Eliel_> does someone know who Tihan is? what's his role at Bitcoinica?
 745 2012-07-13 16:11:20 <bitllc> he represents a secret investor?
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 747 2012-07-13 16:12:39 <freewil> not sure who Tihan has, but i wonder what his connections are to corzine
 748 2012-07-13 16:12:46 <luke-jr> I know who Tihan is, but I'm not sure I am supposed to disclose.
 749 2012-07-13 16:12:47 <freewil> they both seem to have an uncanny skill of making money disappear
 750 2012-07-13 16:13:18 <luke-jr> or at least, … I think I do :p
 751 2012-07-13 16:13:30 <Eliel_> luke-jr: then it's just a rumor, no? :D
 752 2012-07-13 16:14:02 <bitllc> http://www.geekwire.com/2011/coinlab-center-bitcoin-projects-created-seattle/
 753 2012-07-13 16:14:08 <bitllc> here is his picture
 754 2012-07-13 16:14:13 <Eliel_> but anyway, my guess is that he's not directly related to zhou or bitcoin consultancy? Can you confirm, luke-jr ?
 755 2012-07-13 16:14:28 <yellowhat-hackat> bitcoin hackathon hangout resumed you can try to rejoin
 756 2012-07-13 16:14:30 <luke-jr> Eliel_: dunno
 757 2012-07-13 16:14:43 <yellowhat-hackat> if you cannot come in pm me
 758 2012-07-13 16:14:45 <yellowhat-hackat> 	https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/3719b18fe4993e33a60ba6e57c119892d25f7b25?authuser=0
 759 2012-07-13 16:15:07 <jgarzik> I wonder if there is an Offline Wallet Storage For Dummies HOWTO anywhere?
 760 2012-07-13 16:15:14 <luke-jr> yellowhat-hackat: I don't think I can come in
 761 2012-07-13 16:15:15 <jgarzik> Securing Your Bitcoins For Dummies
 762 2012-07-13 16:15:24 <jgarzik> collecting best practices
 763 2012-07-13 16:15:26 <Eliel_> luke-jr: or in other words, I'm not actually interested in his identity as such but rather what is his relationship to Bitcoin Consultancy and Zhou
 764 2012-07-13 16:15:30 <luke-jr> jgarzik: I think Armory has instructions?
 765 2012-07-13 16:15:31 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: Using Bitcoin for Dummies first
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 767 2012-07-13 16:17:01 <bitllc> he's using same picture evyerwhere
 768 2012-07-13 16:17:03 <bitllc> http://seattle.blockshopper.com/news/story/700059522-Entrepreneur_buys_4BD_in_Queen_Anne_for_1_7M,
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 770 2012-07-13 16:20:42 * jgarzik never keeps bitcoins at any third party for long, but I recognize that is a poor choice for web-only bitcoin users
 771 2012-07-13 16:21:29 <jgarzik> the easiest for low-tech/inexperienced users is probably a printout
 772 2012-07-13 16:22:34 <BlueMatt> HD Wallets ftw
 773 2012-07-13 16:22:49 * BlueMatt still strongly objects to calling them HD...
 774 2012-07-13 16:23:34 <bitllc> HD wallets?
 775 2012-07-13 16:23:36 <sipa> ok, call'em scalable enterprise wallets, cloud edition
 776 2012-07-13 16:23:40 <sipa> bitllc: BIP 32
 777 2012-07-13 16:23:49 <MC-Eeepc> what the dicks is  HD wallet
 778 2012-07-13 16:23:57 <MC-Eeepc> this buzzwords are getting out of control
 779 2012-07-13 16:24:01 <sipa> hierarchical deterministic wallet
 780 2012-07-13 16:24:14 <bitllc> ok i got the wiki page
 781 2012-07-13 16:24:17 <MC-Eeepc> wow that is no clearer
 782 2012-07-13 16:24:20 <luke-jr> LOL
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 784 2012-07-13 16:24:30 <jgarzik> HD wallets still trade security for manageability, IMO.  It saves you from having to store a bazillion private keys, but good security implies you should split up your chains/seeds
 785 2012-07-13 16:24:38 <jgarzik> which gets you right back to multiple privkeys
 786 2012-07-13 16:24:52 <luke-jr> jgarzik: it's more secure than a single printed privkey IMO
 787 2012-07-13 16:25:03 <jgarzik> definitely helps with scaling, if you have large numbers of keys
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 789 2012-07-13 16:25:25 <jgarzik> luke-jr: a printed seed is more secure than a printed privkey?  howso?
 790 2012-07-13 16:25:44 <MC-Eeepc> wheres that page with all the bips
 791 2012-07-13 16:25:44 <luke-jr> anyhow, I'm pretty sure security isn't the feature of HD wallets..
 792 2012-07-13 16:25:58 <luke-jr> jgarzik: you still have infinite privkeys
 793 2012-07-13 16:26:11 <luke-jr> so you don't have a single address everything is tied to
 794 2012-07-13 16:26:21 <sipa> MC-Eeepc: i just google for "BIP 0032" these days
 795 2012-07-13 16:26:28 <sipa> seems to work for almost all bips
 796 2012-07-13 16:26:32 <MC-Eeepc> right o
 797 2012-07-13 16:26:33 <luke-jr> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BIP
 798 2012-07-13 16:26:34 <jgarzik> luke-jr:  a seed compromise has a bigger impact
 799 2012-07-13 16:26:50 <luke-jr> jgarzik: not bigger than if you had held everything at a single privkey
 800 2012-07-13 16:27:10 <jgarzik> luke-jr: strawman -- nobody holds everything at a single privkey
 801 2012-07-13 16:27:22 <luke-jr> jgarzik: paper wallet users do
 802 2012-07-13 16:27:39 <luke-jr> (either that, or they use an earlier form of HD wallets supported by Armory)
 803 2012-07-13 16:30:01 <sipa> the current deterministic wallets supported by armory are not hierarchical
 804 2012-07-13 16:30:59 <jgarzik> rofl, sponsored link:
 805 2012-07-13 16:31:02 <jgarzik> Download BIP 0034 - Low Prices on British Standards.
 806 2012-07-13 16:31:02 <jgarzik> www.techstreet.com/BIP+0034
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 808 2012-07-13 16:33:52 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: fanquake opened pull request 1596 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1596>
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 812 2012-07-13 16:39:46 <BlueMatt> no vacation for sipa?
 813 2012-07-13 16:40:06 <MC-Eeepc> do i have the balls to firmware update my HDTV
 814 2012-07-13 16:40:11 <BlueMatt> no
 815 2012-07-13 16:40:26 <luke-jr> MC-Eeepc: what good is a HDTV otherwise?
 816 2012-07-13 16:40:30 <MC-Eeepc> i think youre right
 817 2012-07-13 16:40:40 <BlueMatt> Id say for a tv...if it aint broke, dont fix it
 818 2012-07-13 16:40:48 <sipa> bitllc: i leave in half an hour :)
 819 2012-07-13 16:40:54 <sipa> eh, BlueMatt
 820 2012-07-13 16:40:55 <luke-jr> TVs are broken by design :p
 821 2012-07-13 16:41:00 <BlueMatt> (unless its one of those on-line ones that were recently shown to be horribly insecure...)
 822 2012-07-13 16:41:03 <MC-Eeepc> but.....there is an update available
 823 2012-07-13 16:41:06 <MC-Eeepc> AVAILABLE
 824 2012-07-13 16:41:13 <BlueMatt> (in any case, if you have an online tv, you shouldnt have an online tv)
 825 2012-07-13 16:41:13 <luke-jr> MC-Eeepc: always install updates!
 826 2012-07-13 16:41:24 <sipa> wth is an online tv?
 827 2012-07-13 16:41:26 <BlueMatt> sipa: ah, well have fun
 828 2012-07-13 16:41:46 <BlueMatt> sipa: google tv built into your tv (or one of 100 other software platforms built by the tv mfg)
 829 2012-07-13 16:41:50 <sipa> ah
 830 2012-07-13 16:41:55 <sipa> i fail to see the point
 831 2012-07-13 16:41:56 <MC-Eeepc> just a 1080 tv, no built in shit
 832 2012-07-13 16:42:02 <BlueMatt> sipa: 100% agreed
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 834 2012-07-13 16:42:13 <MC-Eeepc> well it plays films off a sdcard apparently but w/e
 835 2012-07-13 16:42:15 <bitllc> is that the transaction
 836 2012-07-13 16:42:16 <bitllc> https://blockchain.info/tx-index/11978606/24f7c6836156e9d23cabde0db5dcbca3d95fde34f31673f2bce26c8c8e05ed5a
 837 2012-07-13 16:42:19 <bitllc> 40000k btc
 838 2012-07-13 16:42:29 <sipa> just reduce TVs to dumb-but-nice video output devices, and connect them to a computer (even a miniature one)
 839 2012-07-13 16:42:39 <luke-jr> it's called a monitor
 840 2012-07-13 16:42:41 <BlueMatt> MC-Eeepc: Id rather get a htpc or google tv box
 841 2012-07-13 16:43:00 <MC-Eeepc> i herd the raspi runs xbmc
 842 2012-07-13 16:43:32 <sipa> luke-jr: right, except maybe larger
 843 2012-07-13 16:43:40 <sipa> but essentially that
 844 2012-07-13 16:43:48 <luke-jr> sipa: I fail to see the point of larger without more pixels
 845 2012-07-13 16:43:56 <sipa> i do
 846 2012-07-13 16:44:37 <luke-jr> plus, any larger will annoy my neck as I have to look every which way to find stuff
 847 2012-07-13 16:44:45 <sipa> i don't want to code on a 50" screen, and i don't want to watch a movie on a 15" laptop screen
 848 2012-07-13 16:44:57 <sipa> but i like both to be 1080p
 849 2012-07-13 16:45:02 <Fanquake> bitllc could it be this one http://blockchain.info/tx-index/11999735
 850 2012-07-13 16:45:17 <sipa> (ok, actually, i've been watching movies on a 15" screen...)
 851 2012-07-13 16:45:18 <luke-jr> I like both on my 21" (I think) monitor
 852 2012-07-13 16:45:31 <MC-Eeepc> theres a chart about optimal distance to line up 1080 pixels with your eye cells
 853 2012-07-13 16:45:35 <bitllc> fanquake: mine source is mtgox
 854 2012-07-13 16:45:41 <MC-Eeepc> its about 8 feet for a 42" screen i think
 855 2012-07-13 16:45:57 <sipa> http://hd.engadget.com/2006/12/09/1080p-charted-viewing-distance-to-screen-size/
 856 2012-07-13 16:45:58 <Fanquake> bitllc fair enough
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 858 2012-07-13 16:46:06 <bitllc> i dont know for sure
 859 2012-07-13 16:46:10 <MC-Eeepc> thats the one
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 862 2012-07-13 16:46:14 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: depends on how far away from the tv you are
 863 2012-07-13 16:47:05 <bitllc> Fanquake: same transaction as mine
 864 2012-07-13 16:47:30 <Fanquake> Yea I was just checking that.
 865 2012-07-13 16:48:19 <Fanquake> bitllc https://blockchain.info/tree/11978606
 866 2012-07-13 16:49:12 <bitllc> they're using a script to split money, probably gonna go to pirate and get converted to cash lol
 867 2012-07-13 16:49:26 <luke-jr> "We regret to inform you that there has been another huge breach of Bitcoinica. While all passwords were changed after the theft which occurred May 11th, the password for LastPass was not compromised and thus left unchanged. The breach today occured because the password for LastPass was in fact a duplicate password which had been compromised during the hack."
 868 2012-07-13 16:49:27 <luke-jr> wtf
 869 2012-07-13 16:49:56 <bitllc> it's more than wtf
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 871 2012-07-13 16:50:02 <copumpkin> it's ಠ_ಠ
 872 2012-07-13 16:50:17 <MC-Eeepc> wat
 873 2012-07-13 16:50:48 <Fanquake> bitcoinica source code is out as well
 874 2012-07-13 16:50:56 <BlueMatt> lolololol
 875 2012-07-13 16:51:10 <MC-Eeepc> link
 876 2012-07-13 16:51:12 <bitllc> yea, got a copy of that.. not like i use ruby
 877 2012-07-13 16:51:13 <Fanquake> http://depositfiles.com/files/2p6zvadzs
 878 2012-07-13 16:51:29 <bitllc> why genjix released it?
 879 2012-07-13 16:51:54 <MC-Eeepc> lnik to that statement
 880 2012-07-13 16:52:02 <Fanquake> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=93074.0
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 882 2012-07-13 16:52:34 <jgarzik> genjix posted a link.  it is unclear whether or not he posted the files, or the files were already leaked.
 883 2012-07-13 16:52:54 <bitllc> it was his id that tar had and also git
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 885 2012-07-13 16:55:50 <bitllc> bitcoinica lost was 350k + 200k + 100k = about 650k so far
 886 2012-07-13 16:56:09 <bitllc> one rich hacker
 887 2012-07-13 16:56:40 <jgarzik> it is unclear if it is just one hacker
 888 2012-07-13 16:56:45 <copumpkin> now he just needs to figure out how to sell them
 889 2012-07-13 16:56:58 <bitllc> i say he's selling to pirate
 890 2012-07-13 16:57:02 <luke-jr> What I'd like to know is how they withdrew USD and nobody is tracing it
 891 2012-07-13 16:57:08 <epscy> satoshidice
 892 2012-07-13 16:57:14 <sipa> wth is this pirate guy anyway?
 893 2012-07-13 16:57:15 <jgarzik> luke-jr: ditto
 894 2012-07-13 16:57:35 <jgarzik> I bet bitpay gets some of the hack money (they process for BFL)
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 896 2012-07-13 16:59:29 <bitllc> pirate run a bitcoin bank with about 150-200k BTC and pays 7% weekly. if he doesn't run a ponzi scheme than he most likely launders money through his ventures.
 897 2012-07-13 16:59:33 <jgarzik> sipa: excluding theories about illegal schemes, one of my pet guesses is that he lends bitcoins for gambling
 898 2012-07-13 16:59:35 <helo> my guess is that USD was withdrawn to direction attention away from the hacker... nobody would withdraw stolen USD to their own bank account
 899 2012-07-13 17:00:11 <luke-jr> helo: either way, it should be recoverable
 900 2012-07-13 17:00:15 <sipa> 7% weekly... that's quite insane
 901 2012-07-13 17:00:22 <helo> yeah
 902 2012-07-13 17:00:40 <MC-Eeepc> that is a monumental fuck up
 903 2012-07-13 17:00:45 <MC-Eeepc> i like those guys but damn
 904 2012-07-13 17:00:53 <Fanquake> isn't the fact that a 40k USD withdrawal was processed so fast also an issue? I thought it took ages to get money out of gox
 905 2012-07-13 17:01:00 <helo> so 13% of the theft is recoverable :/
 906 2012-07-13 17:01:21 <MC-Eeepc> what does he mean by patrick has walked away?
 907 2012-07-13 17:01:24 <bitllc> what's the maximum size of mtgox usd code?
 908 2012-07-13 17:01:27 <Fanquake> surely they wouldn't just send 40k out the door..
 909 2012-07-13 17:02:56 <bitllc> i think they took mtgox code for 40k
 910 2012-07-13 17:03:13 <bitllc> but then the funds would be still in mtgox
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 952 2012-07-13 17:48:59 <BlueMatt> heh GetOp2 in script.h first checks (pc >= end()) then the next statement checks (end() - pc < 1)
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 954 2012-07-13 17:49:11 <BlueMatt> its redundantly redundant
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 973 2012-07-13 18:14:18 <jgarzik> BitInstant got burned by Bitcoinica?  Really?
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 981 2012-07-13 18:24:47 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: maaku opened pull request 1597 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1597>
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 983 2012-07-13 18:31:25 <MC-Eeepc> shit has really hit the fan now
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 985 2012-07-13 18:32:35 <MC-Eeepc> i feel sorry for those guys, they have a tandup track record in the community until they got embroiled with bitcoinica
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 988 2012-07-13 18:36:30 <MC-Eeepc> i hope this doesnt affect intersango......
 989 2012-07-13 18:36:52 <MC-Eeepc> surely that was insulated from the bitcoinica deal
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1057 2012-07-13 20:23:07 <[Tycho]> Bitcoinica is "hacked" again ?! You gotta be kidding...
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1060 2012-07-13 20:25:34 <upb> lol
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1063 2012-07-13 20:27:08 <JFK911> hacked by chinese
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1072 2012-07-13 20:40:15 <helo> hacking a dead bitcoin service is much more productive than beating a dead horse
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1087 2012-07-13 20:47:30 <cardpuncher> Hi, I'm updating the translation of Bitcoin on Transifex and I need some help on a sentence.
1088 2012-07-13 20:47:57 <helo> will hd wallet support make it safe to use the same wallet on multiple machines at the same time?
1089 2012-07-13 20:48:26 <cardpuncher> Could someone reword "Be careful not to read more into the signature than what is in the signed message itself, to avoid being tricked by a man-in-the-middle attack.", or explain the "Be careful not to read more into the signature than" part?
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1096 2012-07-13 20:59:02 <[Tycho]> cardpuncher: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=92576.0
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1101 2012-07-13 21:02:59 <cardpuncher> Thanks [Tycho]. So "be careful not to read more into the signature" means "be careful not to deduce more from the signature than what's strictly written in the message". Is that correct?
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1104 2012-07-13 21:04:29 <[Tycho]> Yes.
1105 2012-07-13 21:04:48 <[Tycho]> Looks like it doesn't means something related to cryptography itself.
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1107 2012-07-13 21:05:02 <cardpuncher> Thanks again, as it's about security I wanted to make sure that I didn't put anything stupid in the translation.
1108 2012-07-13 21:06:02 <cardpuncher> Yet another question: does "own address" mean "/your/ own address"? I miss the context on this one.
1109 2012-07-13 21:06:42 <[Tycho]> Where ?
1110 2012-07-13 21:06:49 <CodesInChaos> owning an addres means that you know the associated private key
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1112 2012-07-13 21:09:52 <cardpuncher> Heh, I took a look at the latest version from git but I just couldn't find where that "own address" appears. I see it on Transifex, the string to translate is just "own address".
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1126 2012-07-13 21:35:19 <mcorlett>  /deop jgarzik
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1132 2012-07-13 21:43:47 <Karmaon> Is it required for you to post a getwork request on a long poll url?
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1138 2012-07-13 21:52:16 <jgarzik> mcorlett: problems?
1139 2012-07-13 21:52:44 <forrestv> Karmaon, the original spec said to use a plain get, but most people post a normal request..
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1141 2012-07-13 21:53:37 <Karmaon> so much for specifications.
1142 2012-07-13 21:54:16 <Karmaon> yeah, deepbit spec confirms only a get + auth
1143 2012-07-13 21:57:05 <forrestv> Karmaon, i'd recommend doing the post :p it's cleaner, imo.. and supported everywhere out of necessity
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1150 2012-07-13 22:07:44 <amiller> hey does anyone know if you can achieve provably partial-collision-resistant hash functions in the standard model?
1151 2012-07-13 22:07:53 <amiller> i know that collision-resistant hash functions exist
1152 2012-07-13 22:08:16 <amiller> also pseudorandom permutations exist, and i think if you compose a cr hash with a prp you get a partial collision resistant hash but i'm not sure
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