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80 2012-07-15 04:35:49 <Karmaon> http://1337day.com/exploits/18984
81 2012-07-15 04:36:12 <Karmaon> Get ready for stolen wallets on Core 2 Duos.
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86 2012-07-15 04:58:44 <luke-jr> Karmaon: looks browser-specific
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94 2012-07-15 05:29:21 * luke-jr wonders if there would be resistance to broadcasting "<address> is implicated in a crime. Here is the claim/evidence: <â¦>. Please report knowledge of this address to <URI>" and letting users opt to provide info or not
95 2012-07-15 05:30:45 <cheako> luke-jr: It becomes possible that this person may loose access to there coins perminatly.
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97 2012-07-15 05:31:34 <luke-jr> cheako: ?
98 2012-07-15 05:32:08 <c_k> luke-jr: broadcasting where?
99 2012-07-15 05:32:12 <cheako> If there computer equipment is confiscated when they get it back, even if they are found innocent that there data could be gone.
100 2012-07-15 05:32:18 <luke-jr> c_k: p2p network
101 2012-07-15 05:32:55 <cheako> I think most ppl would be happy if that just appeared on a website some where.
102 2012-07-15 05:32:56 <luke-jr> cheako: I'm thinking more like Bitcoin-Qt could show "You received <this> transaction from the address. Do you want to send information?"
103 2012-07-15 05:33:08 <luke-jr> to help law enforcement track down criminals
104 2012-07-15 05:33:21 <cheako> If government agencies want they can post the addresses on wanted posters.
105 2012-07-15 05:34:35 <cheako> An bitcoin address rating system would be a great idea. I may even say that such postings could happen via DNS just as easily.
106 2012-07-15 05:35:36 <cheako> PPL should be able to configure what 'lists' there client checks, like mail servers and RBLs.
107 2012-07-15 05:36:20 <luke-jr> wanted posters don't make reporting easy
108 2012-07-15 05:36:24 <cheako> We could simply have the gov agency setup <address>.bitcoin.agency.gov addresses and our clients can then be configured to check.
109 2012-07-15 05:36:48 <cheako> This way ppl can disable lookups if they wish.
110 2012-07-15 05:37:22 <cheako> I don't think every node in the network needs to wast bandwidth on it.
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112 2012-07-15 05:40:24 <cheako> Though it would then make it possible for agencys to unduly harm another?s credibility. Could we trust them to follow some form of dew process and if so can we trust them to only report accounts directly involved and not friends of freinds of frineds?
113 2012-07-15 05:42:45 <cheako> Still, A public board where every one can post allows users of Bitcoin to see if an account they are dealing with was previously involved in swindling ppl or dealing drugs.
114 2012-07-15 05:43:10 <cheako> ...Plus it's an avenue for law enforcement as well.
115 2012-07-15 05:43:48 <c_k> my voice may not count for much but I don't think it is wise to broadcast that
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117 2012-07-15 05:45:12 <luke-jr> cheako: there aren't accounts
118 2012-07-15 05:45:46 <cheako> I'd also be useful if ppl can post URLs in connection with bitcoin addresses, so if some one wants to just put there bitcoin address on a card that address can then be used to get the parties other contact info.
119 2012-07-15 05:46:19 <cheako> luke-jr: Yeah, s/account/address/g
120 2012-07-15 05:46:43 <luke-jr> cheako: addresses are generally one-time-use
121 2012-07-15 05:46:54 <luke-jr> almost certainly if they get used for a bad reputation
122 2012-07-15 05:47:19 <gmaxwell> I heard a (misattributed, sadly) Thomas Jefferson quote today that woudld be lovely to misapply to Bitcoin: "Information is the currency of democracy."
123 2012-07-15 05:48:01 <cheako> True, but many ppl are accepting donations and the like. Plus it's possible to re-use an address. If I wrote a POS software, I would reuse addresses.
124 2012-07-15 05:48:15 <luke-jr> if someone's publishing an address, I can just google it
125 2012-07-15 05:48:24 <gmaxwell> (it's somewhat amusing that it was the head of the US national archives, you'd think they'd know how to check if jefferson said something or not)
126 2012-07-15 05:48:27 <luke-jr> cheako: you would have a crappy POS system then
127 2012-07-15 05:48:28 <cheako> True.
128 2012-07-15 05:48:38 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: do they care?
129 2012-07-15 05:48:43 <cheako> Y?
130 2012-07-15 05:49:45 <luke-jr> anyhow, I was just observing how an alleged botnet could easily be tied to numerous other addresses⦠and wishing I could broadcast a voluntary "help me trace this jerk" :p
131 2012-07-15 05:50:12 <luke-jr> but then again, I guess the police don't really need to track via Bitcoin - the last time, they found the guy but couldn't do anything -.-
132 2012-07-15 05:51:09 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: yes, like most people doing library/museum/archival work they take their stuff serious to an extent that people outside their little bubble would find confusing and weird.
133 2012-07-15 05:51:53 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: apparently not! :p
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194 2012-07-15 09:44:58 <Eliel_> gmaxwell: I don't think that would be misapplying. Re: that misattributed Thomas Jefferson quote.
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223 2012-07-15 11:31:53 <Joric> guys, take a look at this chart http://blockchain.info/pools
224 2012-07-15 11:32:10 <Joric> exact 51% now belongs to a 3rd party
225 2012-07-15 11:32:25 <Joric> does it mean the bitcoin is officially came to end
226 2012-07-15 11:33:39 <Diablo-D3> yes, its over, lets go shopping!
227 2012-07-15 11:33:41 <cccp> read the red text in the description above
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231 2012-07-15 11:43:51 <Eliel_> Joric: it just means the one who makes the chart doesn't know who make up that 51%.
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233 2012-07-15 11:44:22 <Eliel_> It's extremely unlikely that it's one single entity.
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247 2012-07-15 13:22:12 <diki> As I was browsing the linux kernel source I found a driver for realtek nic written by jgarzik
248 2012-07-15 13:22:30 <diki> Never knew he had contributed
249 2012-07-15 13:22:37 * Diablo-D3 faceplams
250 2012-07-15 13:22:59 <diki> Diablo-D3: what for?
251 2012-07-15 13:23:14 <Diablo-D3> he wrote ethool.
252 2012-07-15 13:23:17 <Diablo-D3> *ethtool
253 2012-07-15 13:23:26 <Diablo-D3> and he works for redhat
254 2012-07-15 13:24:08 <diki> You expect everybody to know who he is?
255 2012-07-15 13:24:16 <diki> Major overrating..
256 2012-07-15 13:24:17 <Diablo-D3> I expect people to learn how to google.
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258 2012-07-15 13:24:45 <diki> I stumbled on it by chance
259 2012-07-15 13:25:02 <diki> Not like I specifically googled him
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261 2012-07-15 13:26:24 <diki> Was looking at drivers with monitor mode code
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263 2012-07-15 13:27:12 <diki> As an example of how it can be implemented in an android broadcom nic
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265 2012-07-15 13:28:47 <diki> So longas the chip also allows it
266 2012-07-15 13:30:25 <diki> But I have to admit that reading the source is fun and gives me information on how computers work
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280 2012-07-15 14:36:40 <TD> Diablo-D3: he doesn't work for red hat anymore
281 2012-07-15 14:37:04 <Diablo-D3> ahh
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286 2012-07-15 14:49:27 <jgarzik> TD: You are misinformed. I still work for Red Hat.
287 2012-07-15 14:49:36 <TD> oh, sorry
288 2012-07-15 14:49:38 <TD> i thought you ran your own company these days
289 2012-07-15 14:49:55 <jgarzik> TD: yes, a micro-company with near-zero income :)
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291 2012-07-15 14:52:55 <jgarzik> exMULTI makes a tiny bit of income, mostly residual from BMA, but it is largely just a shelter for bitcoin activities, so that there is a clear legal dividing line between Red Hat and bitcoin.
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293 2012-07-15 14:54:12 <TD> ok
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295 2012-07-15 14:58:48 <Joric> someone deleted content from here https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison
296 2012-07-15 14:59:10 <Joric> older version still exists https://en.bitcoin.it/w/index.php?title=Mining_hardware_comparison&direction=prev&oldid=28691
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298 2012-07-15 15:22:16 <nanotube> Joric: weird, i don't see when that happened in the history...
299 2012-07-15 15:23:19 <nanotube> if you click 'edit' all content is still there. seems like some wiki bug.
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301 2012-07-15 15:28:23 <Joric> this edit by luke-jr somehow broke everything compare left and right revisions https://en.bitcoin.it/w/index.php?title=Mining_hardware_comparison&diff=next&oldid=28690
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304 2012-07-15 15:36:32 <Diablo-D3> Joric: btw, 6770s are rebranded 5770s
305 2012-07-15 15:36:42 <Diablo-D3> they're identical, even works with sdk 2.1
306 2012-07-15 15:38:26 <Joric> oddly 4850s are much slower than 5850s
307 2012-07-15 15:39:15 <D34TH> has anyone tested the pull req #1597, id like to know if it works before i finish breaking my pc
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310 2012-07-15 15:41:47 <Diablo-D3> Joric: no
311 2012-07-15 15:41:53 <Diablo-D3> in 3D, 5850s are about twice as fast
312 2012-07-15 15:41:58 <Diablo-D3> bitcoin "cheats"
313 2012-07-15 15:42:15 <Diablo-D3> 5xxx can do stuff we need in a single cycle that 4xxx takes several
314 2012-07-15 15:42:18 <Diablo-D3> and we abuse the fuck out of it
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328 2012-07-15 16:02:10 <topi`> I always seem to get "bad-prevblk" rejects from eligius, I wonder if this is a big endian issue in my cgminer?
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330 2012-07-15 16:02:24 <topi`> just compiled it for a powerpc cpu ;)
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339 2012-07-15 16:19:53 <luke-jr> topi`: interesting, did you try BFGMiner?
340 2012-07-15 16:20:33 <luke-jr> Joric: odd; it worked at the time, and works now if I resave the same page
341 2012-07-15 16:22:48 <d34th> luke-jr have you tried the vagrant wrapper for gitian yet? its in pullreq 1597 and its gotten me further than i could by my self
342 2012-07-15 16:22:52 <d34th> its quite helpful
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348 2012-07-15 16:31:03 <luke-jr> d34th: no, I won't install Ruby
349 2012-07-15 16:31:11 <luke-jr> and I have Gitian working fine in KVM
350 2012-07-15 16:31:15 <copumpkin> lol
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366 2012-07-15 16:59:54 <copumpkin> http://i.imgur.com/y2Eh2.png
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371 2012-07-15 17:00:45 <d34th> one does not simply rtfm
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375 2012-07-15 17:04:47 <freewil> copumpkin, lol
376 2012-07-15 17:06:16 <Joric> i've seen such bullshit somewhere
377 2012-07-15 17:08:08 <upb> 'insure' your data can never be compromised ?!?!
378 2012-07-15 17:08:48 <upb> lol
379 2012-07-15 17:08:51 <copumpkin> http://snapplr.com/j9vg
380 2012-07-15 17:10:28 <upb> da fuck
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385 2012-07-15 17:15:51 <CodesInChaos> great security attitude
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388 2012-07-15 17:30:17 <Joric> found this gem
389 2012-07-15 17:30:28 <Joric> "Since key length and key structure vary and since the encryption engine does not use any mathematical algorithms, reverse engineering is impossible and guessing is not an option."
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399 2012-07-15 17:36:55 <copumpkin> lol
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404 2012-07-15 17:42:42 <Joric> from here http://www.shmoo.com/mail/cypherpunks/feb99/msg00268.html
405 2012-07-15 17:42:55 <Joric> "Each record is SEPARATELY encrypted without algorithms"
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407 2012-07-15 17:44:32 <upb> :D
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409 2012-07-15 17:47:00 <Joric> no algorithms -> it's unbreakable
410 2012-07-15 17:47:49 <Joric> there's more
411 2012-07-15 17:47:55 <Joric> "complex proprietary encryption algorithm"
412 2012-07-15 17:48:08 <Diablo-D3> what are we talking about
413 2012-07-15 17:48:10 <Joric> "This scientifically acclaimed encryption product is the world's
414 2012-07-15 17:48:10 <Joric> strongest commercially available software of its kind."
415 2012-07-15 17:48:22 <Joric> "Encryptor 4.0 uses a unique in-house developed incremental base
416 2012-07-15 17:48:22 <Joric> shift algorithm. Decryption is practically impossible. Even if
417 2012-07-15 17:48:22 <Joric> someone manages to reverse engineer our program to obtain the
418 2012-07-15 17:48:22 <Joric> algorithm, the decryption of a file depends on the exact password
419 2012-07-15 17:48:22 <Joric> (encryption key). "
420 2012-07-15 17:48:52 <graingert> sigh
421 2012-07-15 17:49:03 <graingert> Joric: where are you quoting this from?
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423 2012-07-15 17:51:38 <upb> hahahahahahahahah
424 2012-07-15 17:51:53 <upb> hey but is it 'miltary grade' ?:P
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428 2012-07-15 17:53:18 <Joric> upb, looks like it! :D
429 2012-07-15 17:54:00 <Joric> graingert, http://www.engr.mun.ca/~howard/crypto2012/crypto_snake_oil.pdf
430 2012-07-15 17:54:36 <graingert> "Since key length and key struct
431 2012-07-15 17:54:38 <graingert> ure vary and since the encryption
432 2012-07-15 17:54:40 <graingert> engine does not use any mathematical algorithms, reverse
433 2012-07-15 17:54:42 <graingert> engineering is impossible and guessing is not an option."
434 2012-07-15 17:54:44 <graingert> wat
435 2012-07-15 17:55:11 <Joric> don't you hate mathematical algorithms
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490 2012-07-15 20:40:12 <nanotube> i have an unbreakable encryption scheme. def encrypt(text): return 0. decrypt that!
491 2012-07-15 20:40:48 <coiax> nanotube: I think encryption schemes by definition require a one to one correpondence
492 2012-07-15 20:40:57 <coiax> I think you've written a hashing algorithm
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497 2012-07-15 20:41:48 <nanotube> coiax: that's only for 'valid' encryption. :)
498 2012-07-15 20:42:12 <nanotube> also, you seem to have missed the funny stuff people posted before you joined. <_<
499 2012-07-15 20:42:12 <MC1984> i got an unbreakable sheme
500 2012-07-15 20:42:25 <MC1984> i call it facesmash crypto, even i dont know what it says
501 2012-07-15 20:42:30 <MC1984> nrysh;nbgf;vmsZSPFDC,s\zxvszmg'nb;lsfmghp'aeiokfma.i'ndgb
502 2012-07-15 20:42:32 <MC1984> see
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509 2012-07-15 20:49:56 <coiax> MC1984: -_-
510 2012-07-15 20:52:22 <graingert> coiax: OH HAI
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512 2012-07-15 20:52:29 <graingert> !getrating coiax
513 2012-07-15 20:52:30 <gribble> This user has not yet been rated. Currently not authenticated.
514 2012-07-15 20:52:33 <graingert> !!
515 2012-07-15 20:52:34 <gribble> Error: "!" is not a valid command.
516 2012-07-15 20:53:17 <coiax> graingert: Why are you rating me
517 2012-07-15 20:53:21 <coiax> I feel objectified
518 2012-07-15 20:53:36 <graingert> I'm getting your rating
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520 2012-07-15 20:53:44 <coiax> Rating of what?
521 2012-07-15 20:53:47 <coiax> Is it an otc thing
522 2012-07-15 20:53:52 <graingert> you bet your socks
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525 2012-07-15 20:54:54 <coiax> graingert: I've never done any OTC trades
526 2012-07-15 20:55:00 <graingert> tut tut
527 2012-07-15 20:55:08 <coiax> although at some point, I might randomly want to give you btc to buy pizza for ohmrdarcy
528 2012-07-15 20:55:18 <coiax> as I cannot do that myself at the moment
529 2012-07-15 20:55:34 <graingert> are you registered?
530 2012-07-15 20:56:06 <coiax> freenode, or otc?
531 2012-07-15 20:56:13 <graingert> both
532 2012-07-15 20:56:19 <coiax> yes, probably not
533 2012-07-15 20:56:35 <graingert> go do it
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537 2012-07-15 20:58:20 <MC1984> !getrating graingert
538 2012-07-15 20:58:20 <gribble> User graingert, rated since Wed May 4 06:59:59 2011. Cumulative rating 2, from 2 total ratings. Received ratings: 2 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 6 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=graingert Currently not authenticated.
539 2012-07-15 20:58:51 <MC1984> thi is fun
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545 2012-07-15 21:03:06 <coiax> graingert: Done.
546 2012-07-15 21:03:15 <graingert> !getrating coix
547 2012-07-15 21:03:15 <gribble> This user has not yet been rated. Currently not authenticated.
548 2012-07-15 21:03:17 <graingert> !getrating coiax
549 2012-07-15 21:03:17 <gribble> This user has not yet been rated. Currently authenticated from hostmask coiax!~je5g09@uglogin.ecs.soton.ac.uk
550 2012-07-15 21:03:36 <graingert> urm
551 2012-07-15 21:03:47 <graingert> you're giving out your username
552 2012-07-15 21:04:05 <graingert> !whois graingert
553 2012-07-15 21:04:06 <gribble> purple (~graingert@unaffiliated/graingert) has been on server kornbluth.freenode.net since 01:24 PM, July 15, 2012 (idle for 0 seconds) and is on #bitcoin-otc, #bitcoin, and #bitcoin-dev.
554 2012-07-15 21:04:23 <graingert> coiax: you should get a clock
555 2012-07-15 21:04:34 <graingert> cloak from #freenode
556 2012-07-15 21:04:59 <OneEyed> Why would that be a big deal to give one's username?
557 2012-07-15 21:05:02 <OneEyed> !whois OneEyed
558 2012-07-15 21:05:04 <gribble> Samuel Tardieu (~sam@anyanka.rfc1149.net) has been on server zelazny.freenode.net since 10:52 AM, July 12, 2012 (idle for 1 second) and is voiced on bitcoin-otc and is also on #bitcoin-dev.
559 2012-07-15 21:05:13 <OneEyed> Wow, even my *real* name. Big deal.
560 2012-07-15 21:08:50 <coiax> graingert: How does one get a freenode cloak?
561 2012-07-15 21:09:09 <kinlo> one asks the staff
562 2012-07-15 21:09:13 <BlueMatt> go to #freenode and ask (though you have to be patient)
563 2012-07-15 21:09:26 <coiax> I'm really not that plussed
564 2012-07-15 21:09:38 <coiax> I've already associated my GnuPG key with this username
565 2012-07-15 21:09:46 <coiax> which gives a decent idea of my geographical location
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569 2012-07-15 21:13:21 <MC1984> if someone decides they have a beef with you, you can get ddosed or hacking attemps an shit without a cloak
570 2012-07-15 21:13:30 <MC1984> dunno why things arnet cloaked by default
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573 2012-07-15 21:15:04 <BlueMatt> so freenode isnt inundated with requests for name->ip mappings from law enforcement/others
574 2012-07-15 21:15:30 <gmaxwell> And so that bans are a little more effective. If you had to do work to get a cloak you won't want it banned.
575 2012-07-15 21:16:07 <MC1984> suppose
576 2012-07-15 21:16:34 <graingert> you don't have to work for a cloak
577 2012-07-15 21:16:40 <graingert> you just ask a staffer
578 2012-07-15 21:16:43 <graingert> then they give you one
579 2012-07-15 21:17:05 <BlueMatt> they are supposed to require that you have had your nick registered for some amount of time and have been using it
580 2012-07-15 21:17:25 <BlueMatt> (plus you usually have to ask umpteen times)
581 2012-07-15 21:18:06 <BlueMatt> (or you did when I reged when it was required for -otc, not long before -otc was the biggest chan on freenode, so they may have just hated people asking for cloaks at the time (which is why -otc no longer requires them))
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583 2012-07-15 21:21:59 <graingert> oh
584 2012-07-15 21:22:05 <graingert> my exp was completely different
585 2012-07-15 21:22:19 <graingert> presumably due to the OTC cloack req
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589 2012-07-15 21:24:00 <OneEyed> !whois OneEyed
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595 2012-07-15 21:26:19 <OneEyed> !whois OneEyed
596 2012-07-15 21:26:20 <gribble> Samuel Tardieu (~sam@unaffiliated/oneeyed) has been on server zelazny.freenode.net since 10:52 AM, July 12, 2012 (idle for 1 second) and is on #bitcoin-otc and #bitcoin-dev.
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598 2012-07-15 21:26:26 <OneEyed> graingert: thanks for the hint
599 2012-07-15 21:27:07 <graingert> OneEyed: ?
600 2012-07-15 21:27:15 <OneEyed> Got a cloak
601 2012-07-15 21:27:41 <coiax> Hurray, it's cloak city
602 2012-07-15 21:27:48 <graingert> coiax: you're still giving away your username
603 2012-07-15 21:27:54 <graingert> (22:21:41) coiax [~je5g09@unaffiliated/coiax] entered the room.
604 2012-07-15 21:28:11 <coiax> Oh, okay
605 2012-07-15 21:28:31 <BlueMatt> graingert: when did you get a cloak?
606 2012-07-15 21:28:42 <graingert> BlueMatt: I don't know when
607 2012-07-15 21:29:00 <BlueMatt> like before 1 jan 2011 ish?
608 2012-07-15 21:29:04 <graingert> BlueMatt: coiax got one instantly it seems
609 2012-07-15 21:29:17 <coiax> I asked politely. :)
610 2012-07-15 21:29:24 <OneEyed> I got one instantly too
611 2012-07-15 21:29:26 <graingert> coiax: I asked rudely
612 2012-07-15 21:29:32 <BlueMatt> so did i, like 16 months ago...
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614 2012-07-15 21:29:37 <coiax> graingert: sounds like you :P
615 2012-07-15 21:29:41 <BlueMatt> (politely)
616 2012-07-15 21:29:44 <OneEyed> BlueMatt: looks like Fuchs is in a good mood right now
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619 2012-07-15 21:32:25 <MC1984> why the fuck would you put your real name into your irc program
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621 2012-07-15 21:32:42 <coiax> MC1984: Addressed at who
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623 2012-07-15 21:32:53 <OneEyed> MC1984: because sometimes you participate to projects where you use your real name, and this way people recognize you?
624 2012-07-15 21:32:57 <BlueMatt> why the fuck would you not put your real name into an irc program?
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628 2012-07-15 21:33:59 <MC1984> post your facebook too
629 2012-07-15 21:34:16 <graingert> there exists a mapping graingert-> my real name
630 2012-07-15 21:34:23 <BlueMatt> MC1984: go read this: http://www.amazon.com/Public-Parts-ebook/dp/B004W3FZ0Q
631 2012-07-15 21:35:00 <coiax> BlueMatt: That seems to involve giving Amazon money :P
632 2012-07-15 21:35:15 <coiax> which is frustrating, because kindles are the metaphorical poop
633 2012-07-15 21:35:37 <BlueMatt> coiax: fine, go torrent it, whatever, the point was to read it
634 2012-07-15 21:36:13 <OneEyed> "public part" torrent -> "Download Nude in Public - Part 2 Torrent - Kickass Torrents"
635 2012-07-15 21:36:21 <OneEyed> Thanks Google :)
636 2012-07-15 21:36:25 <BlueMatt> ok, come up with a better search term ;)
637 2012-07-15 21:36:42 <OneEyed> (not that I was going to download it anyway, just curious after your remark)
638 2012-07-15 21:37:00 <OneEyed> Indeed adding the author name helps a lot :-)
639 2012-07-15 21:37:28 <OneEyed> afk
640 2012-07-15 21:37:45 <MC1984> i cant even be bothered to read the synopsis
641 2012-07-15 21:38:25 <BlueMatt> tldr: you are making an invalid and backwards point
642 2012-07-15 21:40:16 <MC1984> tldr this is irc i dont give a fuck
643 2012-07-15 21:40:31 <BlueMatt> why do you talk?
644 2012-07-15 21:41:01 <BlueMatt> you made a point, and when someone disagreed, you just said "i dont give a fuck"
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646 2012-07-15 21:41:18 <MC1984> who the fuck directs someone to an actual specific book to read to counter an offhand comment lol
647 2012-07-15 21:41:40 <BlueMatt> someone who thinks you would learn quite a bit by reading it ;)
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649 2012-07-15 21:42:12 <BlueMatt> and...his position explains exactly why you would want to post your real name
650 2012-07-15 21:42:51 <MC1984> irc is serious business
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653 2012-07-15 21:43:13 <BlueMatt> hey, irc doesnt have to be a mindless chat room unless you let it
654 2012-07-15 21:43:36 <maaku> BlueMatt: re: #1597, some parts of the vagrant scripts could be added to gitian-builder, but most of it has to do with downloading and sorting out dependencies between the specific bitcoin requirements
655 2012-07-15 21:43:46 <MC1984> could have fooled me
656 2012-07-15 21:44:33 <BlueMatt> maaku: fair enough, but Id hate to put the vagrant stuff in bitcoin's repo so other projects that use it cant get it...
657 2012-07-15 21:44:53 <maaku> e.g, downloading openssl, qrencode, qt, etc., and making sure bitcoin-deps, qt-win32, etc. is built before gitian-win32
658 2012-07-15 21:44:54 <BlueMatt> maaku: also, I kinda prefer putting stuff like getting the deps and auto-running into the gitian ymls and making gitian do it
659 2012-07-15 21:45:03 <BlueMatt> instead of us doing it in our own scripts
660 2012-07-15 21:45:20 <BlueMatt> (ie put a url field in the gitian inputs list, and let gitian auto-download)
661 2012-07-15 21:45:55 <BlueMatt> (I have a bad feeling the vagrant scripts are not going to get updated when gitian input versions do)
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665 2012-07-15 21:51:14 <poop> Does anyone know get the balance of a single address in your wallet using the rpc interface of bitcoind?
666 2012-07-15 21:52:21 <maaku> i did try to make the scripts as simple as possible to update with that concern in mind
667 2012-07-15 21:52:36 <maaku> but if it requires direct integration with gitian instead, it may have to wait for someone else
668 2012-07-15 21:53:40 <BlueMatt> why did you patch the gitian descriptors? and did you check the resulting ones for determinism?
669 2012-07-15 21:54:37 <BlueMatt> it looks like you already did the gitian integration, just add a few if()s and you're good, no?
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671 2012-07-15 21:56:02 * BlueMatt still hits himself for changing the copyright headers to "Copyright © 2011-2012 Bitcoin Developers." seems like that could cause pain further down the road, though I cant claim to know much 'bout copyright law
672 2012-07-15 21:56:56 <D34TH> maaku i had a question for you, it seems that my virtualbox isnt supporting kvm even though i have the mods loaded
673 2012-07-15 21:57:03 <D34TH> i know my proc supports it and its enabled
674 2012-07-15 21:57:07 <MC1984> is the "bitcoin developers" even an entity to which copyright can be ascribed
675 2012-07-15 21:57:16 <maaku> you can't do kvm within a virtualbox
676 2012-07-15 21:57:20 <BlueMatt> MC1984: nope, thats why it doesnt make sense
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679 2012-07-15 21:57:35 <BlueMatt> D34TH: you mean vtx?
680 2012-07-15 21:57:43 <D34TH> svm
681 2012-07-15 21:57:47 <D34TH> AMD-V for me
682 2012-07-15 21:57:48 <MC1984> just put it on CC or something
683 2012-07-15 21:58:00 <maaku> BlueMatt: IANAL, but it should be fine as long the "Bitcoin Developers" are listed
684 2012-07-15 21:58:06 <D34TH> it says KVM is not loaded this might fail or something to that effect
685 2012-07-15 21:58:07 <maaku> like in an AUTHORS files
686 2012-07-15 21:58:10 <maaku> which they currently are not
687 2012-07-15 21:58:26 <BlueMatt> D34TH: try unloading kvm modules, they may interfere, also virtualbox mods loaded?
688 2012-07-15 21:58:33 <BlueMatt> maaku: they arent...
689 2012-07-15 21:58:35 <D34TH> imo, no clue
690 2012-07-15 21:58:59 <maaku> D34TH: that's a known bug in gitian-downloader, i filed a bug report but haven't had time to fix
691 2012-07-15 21:59:08 <maaku> D34TH: ignore it
692 2012-07-15 21:59:15 <D34TH> ill try it on windows
693 2012-07-15 21:59:17 <D34TH> for the lulz
694 2012-07-15 21:59:31 <D34TH> brb readme.md
695 2012-07-15 21:59:41 <maaku> D34TH: (it's complaining about lack of KVM support even though it's doing a LXC build--not KVM used at all)
696 2012-07-15 21:59:53 <D34TH> ahh
697 2012-07-15 22:00:25 <BlueMatt> maaku: the main issue Im not happy about that header is that it could make it harder to change the license, or to transfer copyright to a bitcoin org down the road, but I think thats hard as hell anyway, so.....
698 2012-07-15 22:00:40 <D34TH> maaku id assume msi is one-click, correct?
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700 2012-07-15 22:01:22 <maaku> BlueMatt: gitian.yml and gitian-win32.yml were updated to use the source tree the developer is running the vagrant scripts from instead of the remotes capability
701 2012-07-15 22:01:30 <maaku> BlueMatt: different use case, that's all
702 2012-07-15 22:02:32 <BlueMatt> ok fair enough, though have you tested them for determinism anyway (virtualbox could mean different results somehow?)
703 2012-07-15 22:03:18 <maaku> BlueMatt: the other changes were required to even get it to compile on Ubuntu 12.04--incorrect YAML syntax, incorrect use of wine, using CC=, AR=, etc. parameters for ./configure instead of '--host='
704 2012-07-15 22:03:41 <BlueMatt> oh...dont use ubuntu 12.04, thats gonna mean entirely non-deterministic
705 2012-07-15 22:03:53 <BlueMatt> (compared to the other results)
706 2012-07-15 22:04:22 <maaku> wave of the future, BlueMatt
707 2012-07-15 22:04:38 <BlueMatt> doesnt matter, if it means the results arent the same, it mans the results are worthless ;)
708 2012-07-15 22:04:41 <maaku> i was going to file bug reports for those separately
709 2012-07-15 22:04:56 <BlueMatt> also, does it use db4.8?
710 2012-07-15 22:05:46 <D34TH> maaku i have a question for you, is the vagrant windows installer good enough?
711 2012-07-15 22:05:58 <D34TH> it seems to have all this embeded
712 2012-07-15 22:06:05 <maaku> BlueMatt: I think you're misunderstanding the purpose
713 2012-07-15 22:06:10 <maaku> D34TH: no, it won't work
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715 2012-07-15 22:06:45 <maaku> BlueMatt: the vagrant scripts is meant to be a way to do easy cross-platform development
716 2012-07-15 22:07:01 <BlueMatt> maaku: the purpose of gitian is to create a deterministic build environment, if you use a different version of ubuntu, you break that entirely
717 2012-07-15 22:07:10 <maaku> BlueMatt: for someone to do cross-builds on their workstation
718 2012-07-15 22:07:30 <maaku> BlueMatt: and that's not the goal⦠nevermind
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720 2012-07-15 22:08:07 <BlueMatt> I see that you want to do builds for linux on windows (though I question the usefulness of that) and thats cool, but its not gitian...
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722 2012-07-15 22:08:27 <D34TH> i want to do builds for windows on windows
723 2012-07-15 22:08:28 <D34TH> :D
724 2012-07-15 22:08:37 <maaku> what D34TH said
725 2012-07-15 22:08:43 <maaku> that's the point
726 2012-07-15 22:08:55 <maaku> or to do builds for Mac on Mac, when those descriptors are written
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728 2012-07-15 22:09:16 <BlueMatt> wait, you are building bitcoin for mac on linux?
729 2012-07-15 22:09:23 <maaku> yes
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731 2012-07-15 22:09:33 <BlueMatt> since when do we have mac gitian scripts?
732 2012-07-15 22:09:53 <maaku> since I wrote them? I need to clean them up a bit then I'll make a pull request
733 2012-07-15 22:10:08 <BlueMatt> ah...also, talk to luke about that, hes been working on that some too
734 2012-07-15 22:10:21 <maaku> D34TH: I don't remember the details, but the vagrant installer on win32 uses a different command line syntax
735 2012-07-15 22:10:39 <BlueMatt> in any case, why cant you just modify gitian slightly to output its build script, give you the file, then simply run it on an ubuntu vm instead of using vagrant?
736 2012-07-15 22:10:43 <D34TH> yea i need to get openssl and git built nativly in the devkit
737 2012-07-15 22:10:53 <maaku> D34TH: so the makefile doesn't work. you can install the vagrant gem using ruby gems though
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740 2012-07-15 22:11:25 <maaku> BlueMatt: why reinvent the wheel? that's what vagrant is for
741 2012-07-15 22:11:37 <BlueMatt> out of curiosity, what toolchain are you using to xcompile for mac on linux?
742 2012-07-15 22:12:15 <maaku> the latest llvm-gcc and cctools against the 10.5 SDK
743 2012-07-15 22:13:20 <D34TH> im having an issue where i need to bust out openssl1.0.1c but msys only provides 1.0.0
744 2012-07-15 22:13:28 <BlueMatt> maaku: my point is more of a, why not distance this further from gitian instead of patching gitian to ssh and everything, why not structure it more like: a script that will start vagrant and whatnot for you, call gitian with a --dump-script option, run that script on the vm...if you patch gitian to run it, the expectation is the results will be deterministic...
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746 2012-07-15 22:13:43 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: read up a bit ^
747 2012-07-15 22:15:02 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: not sure where you are with bitcoin-qt xcompile for osx, but maaku at least has it working with llvm
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754 2012-07-15 22:19:09 <maaku> D34TH: was that directed to me? did you solve it?
755 2012-07-15 22:19:35 <D34TH> it really wasnt directed, just me complaining that openssl doesnt like msys
756 2012-07-15 22:20:50 <BlueMatt> maaku: in any case, for users just wanting to build, rebuilding the vm each time and all of gitian's overhead is by far overkill, I think dumping the script and letting users run it themselves when they want would be a nice feature
757 2012-07-15 22:21:18 <maaku> it doesn't rebuild the vm, or dependencies or any of that
758 2012-07-15 22:21:20 <maaku> it's all cached
759 2012-07-15 22:21:22 <D34TH> bluematt: in my experience it didnt rebuild the vm it just rebooted it
760 2012-07-15 22:21:30 <D34TH> it saved with vbox
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762 2012-07-15 22:22:15 <BlueMatt> maaku: oh......
763 2012-07-15 22:22:47 <BlueMatt> can you at least make it clear in the pull and the readme/etc that this is not deterministic and is only used to get a working build, not to do releases or match released versions?
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776 2012-07-15 22:42:58 <D34TH> w/e openssl 1.0.1 wont compile on msys
777 2012-07-15 22:43:22 <D34TH> bluematt: will openssl 1.0.0 work with bitcoin?
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780 2012-07-15 22:45:22 <BlueMatt> sure, though there are nearly always security issues (which may not apply to bitcoin) in older versions
781 2012-07-15 22:45:43 <BlueMatt> in other words, sure, but dont run it with coins
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783 2012-07-15 22:45:58 <BlueMatt> (and possibly code execution...)
784 2012-07-15 22:46:04 <D34TH> D:
785 2012-07-15 22:46:14 <D34TH> why cant bitcoin on windows be easy
786 2012-07-15 22:46:24 <D34TH> its like it hates windows
787 2012-07-15 22:46:57 <BlueMatt> its like we have no windows developers
788 2012-07-15 22:47:15 <BlueMatt> my suggestion, seriously, get yourself an ubuntu vm, and manually execute the gitian scripts
789 2012-07-15 22:47:22 <D34TH> tried that
790 2012-07-15 22:47:24 <BlueMatt> its not very bad, and once you set it up once, its easy to recompile
791 2012-07-15 22:47:33 <BlueMatt> where'd you get stuck, it wfm
792 2012-07-15 22:47:38 <D34TH> wont get bast bootstraping
793 2012-07-15 22:47:39 <BlueMatt> (and Im not even on ubuntu)
794 2012-07-15 22:47:41 <D34TH> **past
795 2012-07-15 22:47:52 <D34TH> no error
796 2012-07-15 22:47:58 <D34TH> just doesnt do anything
797 2012-07-15 22:48:02 <BlueMatt> bootstrapping? no, Im saying just install ubuntu in a vm manually and then do it all yourself
798 2012-07-15 22:48:15 <BlueMatt> its not as bad as it sounds
799 2012-07-15 22:48:20 <D34TH> with gitian?
800 2012-07-15 22:48:35 <D34TH> or manual manual
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802 2012-07-15 22:48:49 <BlueMatt> manual, but read and copy the gitian script manually into a terminal
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804 2012-07-15 22:49:36 <D34TH> i get all confused with the varibles
805 2012-07-15 22:49:44 <D34TH> tends to break my brain after awhile
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807 2012-07-15 22:50:52 <BlueMatt> use export :)
808 2012-07-15 22:51:09 <BlueMatt> export VARIABLE=VALUE, then you dont have to think about it
809 2012-07-15 22:51:45 <BlueMatt> (I think the only ones you really need are like BUILD=~/build and a few others, check the header of a generated build script in the var/build.sh (?) after running gitian
810 2012-07-15 22:51:47 <BlueMatt> )
811 2012-07-15 22:52:07 <BlueMatt> (or read the src, should be easy to control-f for)
812 2012-07-15 22:52:25 <D34TH> what i need to do is image a ubuntu-minimal and ask you to ssh in and assist
813 2012-07-15 22:52:31 <graingert> !ticker
814 2012-07-15 22:52:32 <gribble> Best bid: 7.582, Best ask: 7.61968, Bid-ask spread: 0.03768, Last trade: 7.58126, 24 hour volume: 28589, 24 hour low: 7.45, 24 hour high: 7.7
815 2012-07-15 22:53:09 <BlueMatt> heh, well I suppose that works too
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817 2012-07-15 22:53:22 <D34TH> got an rdp client?
818 2012-07-15 22:53:47 <BlueMatt> what I need to do is tar up my /home/ubuntu (funny, Im not on ubuntu and dont have a user named ubuntu...) and release that for people wanting to build...
819 2012-07-15 22:53:56 <BlueMatt> ssh works better than rdp :)
820 2012-07-15 22:54:03 <D34TH> yea
821 2012-07-15 22:54:13 <D34TH> imaging
822 2012-07-15 22:54:17 <BlueMatt> wait...lemme see how big my /home/ubuntu is
823 2012-07-15 22:54:38 <D34TH> max ram usage?
824 2012-07-15 22:54:44 <D34TH> i'd say 1.5gb
825 2012-07-15 22:54:47 <BlueMatt> no, how long it'l take to upload...
826 2012-07-15 22:54:51 <BlueMatt> oh...durr
827 2012-07-15 22:55:05 <BlueMatt> depends on your core count you wanna use to compile
828 2012-07-15 22:55:10 <D34TH> 4
829 2012-07-15 22:55:19 <BlueMatt> hmm...2.4 g, lemme remove some crap and upload this sucker
830 2012-07-15 22:55:28 <D34TH> make clean
831 2012-07-15 22:55:29 <D34TH> :D
832 2012-07-15 22:55:46 <Matt_von_Mises> I'm not too sure on how bitcoin-qt uses sockets but it looks like to me that for receiving data it just loops until all data is received?
833 2012-07-15 22:55:51 <BlueMatt> I have two versions of boost and a ton of crap (I use this dir to transfer files from/to vms too...)
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835 2012-07-15 22:56:55 <Matt_von_Mises> I'm looking at the sockets for cbitcoin right now so I just had a quick look at how bitcoin-qt does it and it doesn't look nice to me.
836 2012-07-15 22:56:56 <BlueMatt> gogo xz
837 2012-07-15 22:57:12 <BlueMatt> Matt_von_Mises: no, its not nice, there are much better ways, but it works...
838 2012-07-15 22:57:45 <BlueMatt> Matt_von_Mises: for everything non-bitcoin, dont use bitcoind as an example ;)
839 2012-07-15 22:57:54 <Matt_von_Mises> For cbitcoin I'm planning to use an events based system. onCanReceiveData (from a socket buffer) etc.
840 2012-07-15 22:58:21 <Matt_von_Mises> From what I know that's the best way. libevent is apparently good for sockets with many connections.
841 2012-07-15 22:58:33 <Matt_von_Mises> Or rather when you have many sockets.
842 2012-07-15 22:59:32 <BlueMatt> sounds fine to me (though Ive never spent much time in socket programming, so I wouldnt know good from bad...)
843 2012-07-15 23:00:27 <Matt_von_Mises> I've not done any real low-level socket stuff before (I've done some higher level stuff using Apple's Cocoa libraries), so I hope my research is good. I've read that blocking sockets are bad and select is a bad solution so I'm using the libevent solution.
844 2012-07-15 23:01:37 <BlueMatt> I think "bad" is strong there, yea its not pretty, yea it'l fall over if you are running a google-scale webserver, but bitcoin isnt that...
845 2012-07-15 23:02:28 <Matt_von_Mises> The biggest problem I faced with blocking sockets is the problem with killing blocked threads.
846 2012-07-15 23:02:38 <Matt_von_Mises> But I've also read it's not efficient at all.
847 2012-07-15 23:04:12 <BlueMatt> its not efficient for that reason, never do a blocking socket to handle multiple connections, but doing select is what I was talking about
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849 2012-07-15 23:04:38 <D34TH> bluematt: imaging :D
850 2012-07-15 23:06:06 <D34TH> oh well thats neato
851 2012-07-15 23:06:11 <Matt_von_Mises> Oh. Well yes select is a better way but it's still not as efficient as using libevent from what I've read. I'll go with the better solution. It's conceivable that cbitcoin could be used for super-nodes when bitcoin expands greatly where many connections are needed and it would make a difference.
852 2012-07-15 23:06:15 <D34TH> maaku: vagrant running on msys
853 2012-07-15 23:06:27 <D34TH> maaku: i had to make a funky msys
854 2012-07-15 23:07:31 <D34TH> bluematt: would you be willing to build from an existing install or would you prefer fresh?
855 2012-07-15 23:08:55 <BlueMatt> D34TH: give me a minute, Im gonna send you a nice tar.xz that you can unzip, cd, and build away :)
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857 2012-07-15 23:09:02 <misterme009> Hi, can I use more than one rpcuser in my config file for solo mining?
858 2012-07-15 23:09:07 <BlueMatt> no
859 2012-07-15 23:09:17 <BlueMatt> wait...can you?
860 2012-07-15 23:09:19 <misterme009> ie: rpcuser=user1 rpcuser=user2
861 2012-07-15 23:09:30 <D34TH> bluematt: then ill stop imaging because vargant seems to be having fun
862 2012-07-15 23:09:31 <D34TH> :D
863 2012-07-15 23:09:55 <BlueMatt> misterme009: no
864 2012-07-15 23:10:26 <BlueMatt> D34TH: its a tar, you still have to put it in an ubuntu install
865 2012-07-15 23:10:36 <D34TH> ive got ubuntu boxes
866 2012-07-15 23:10:38 <BlueMatt> (its a tar of just src/built files, not a toolchain)
867 2012-07-15 23:10:38 <D34TH> no biggie
868 2012-07-15 23:10:52 <D34TH> i just wanted to know if i should have a fresh one or not
869 2012-07-15 23:11:00 <BlueMatt> guess it doesnt really matter
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871 2012-07-15 23:11:13 <BlueMatt> gonna have to install wine/mingw/etc anyway
872 2012-07-15 23:11:22 <BlueMatt> (or, Id assume the vagrant build does that?)
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874 2012-07-15 23:11:49 <D34TH> dont have vagrant on that box, and vagrant only does that to the vm it creates
875 2012-07-15 23:12:22 <BlueMatt> well then install wine/mingw/etc
876 2012-07-15 23:12:31 <D34TH> already on that box
877 2012-07-15 23:12:35 <D34TH> :D
878 2012-07-15 23:12:41 <BlueMatt> uggg...someone suggest a file dropbox I can put a 400M file on
879 2012-07-15 23:13:02 <BlueMatt> (no, not dropbox, I dont feel like installing the desktop client, and the web client has a max of 300M)
880 2012-07-15 23:13:15 <graingert> BlueMatt: bittorrent
881 2012-07-15 23:13:19 <D34TH> ^
882 2012-07-15 23:13:36 <D34TH> just upload it directly to me
883 2012-07-15 23:13:39 <D34TH> :D
884 2012-07-15 23:13:52 <graingert> via bittorrent to prevent feckups
885 2012-07-15 23:13:58 <D34TH> that too
886 2012-07-15 23:14:25 <D34TH> heh watching vagrant via htop inside its ssh
887 2012-07-15 23:14:31 <D34TH> looks like its having alot of fun
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889 2012-07-15 23:15:14 <BlueMatt> transmission is fun, new torrent -> add and start seeding now -> wait, where did it put the new torrent? oh...it deleted it when it got added to seed.....
890 2012-07-15 23:15:26 <graingert> wat
891 2012-07-15 23:15:48 <graingert> I prefer (k|u)torrent
892 2012-07-15 23:15:54 <D34TH> utorrent
893 2012-07-15 23:15:58 <BlueMatt> (admittedly old version of transmission, but still...)
894 2012-07-15 23:15:59 <D34TH> well
895 2012-07-15 23:16:05 <D34TH> (micro)torrent
896 2012-07-15 23:16:06 <graingert> mine's never done that
897 2012-07-15 23:16:11 <graingert> utorrent.exe
898 2012-07-15 23:16:29 <BlueMatt> torrent hash: 2431d5f3c993122e80f9f94c957806b2c9e24905
899 2012-07-15 23:16:34 <BlueMatt> (whats the magnet link format?)
900 2012-07-15 23:16:51 <graingert> BlueMatt: you'll need to add a tracker
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902 2012-07-15 23:17:14 <graingert> BlueMatt: DHT won't work very quickly :P
903 2012-07-15 23:17:34 <graingert> udp://tracker.publicbt.com:80
904 2012-07-15 23:17:35 <graingert> udp://tracker.ccc.de:80
905 2012-07-15 23:17:35 <graingert> udp://tracker.istole.it:80
906 2012-07-15 23:17:41 <graingert> udp://tracker.openbittorrent.com:80
907 2012-07-15 23:17:49 <BlueMatt> thanks, thats good, dont need 10000
908 2012-07-15 23:18:03 <graingert> just the ones from http://openbittorrent.com/
909 2012-07-15 23:18:35 <BlueMatt> anywho...figure out the format for a magnet link, add that hash, and add the publicbt tracker...
910 2012-07-15 23:18:56 <graingert> right click get magnet link
911 2012-07-15 23:19:07 <BlueMatt> magnet:?xt=urn:btih:2431d5f3c993122e80f9f94c957806b2c9e24905&dn=ubuntu.tar.xz&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.publicbt.com%3A80
912 2012-07-15 23:19:10 <BlueMatt> heh, thanks
913 2012-07-15 23:19:59 <luke-jr> "Copyright © 2011-2012 Bitcoin Developers." seems to be clearly a no-op to me. That is, it explictly expresses that the copyright is retained by whoever wrote the code IANAL
914 2012-07-15 23:20:02 <BlueMatt> hope you've got ipv6
915 2012-07-15 23:20:20 <D34TH> i got tunnelbroker
916 2012-07-15 23:20:21 <D34TH> :D
917 2012-07-15 23:20:22 <graingert> BlueMatt: utorrent uses Teredo
918 2012-07-15 23:20:26 <graingert> automagically
919 2012-07-15 23:20:30 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: thats what I thought when I wrote it, but Im torn as to whether or not thats realistic...anywhoo...IANAL either so...meh
920 2012-07-15 23:20:37 <graingert> !google IANAL
921 2012-07-15 23:20:38 <gribble> IANAL - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IANAL>; Urban Dictionary: IANAL: <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=IANAL>; IANAL and IDKWITA - IANAL disclaimer waiver | Ask MetaFilter: <http://ask.metafilter.com/56257/IANAL-and-IDKWITA>
922 2012-07-15 23:20:47 <BlueMatt> I am not a layer
923 2012-07-15 23:20:52 <BlueMatt> lawyer
924 2012-07-15 23:21:20 <D34TH> bluematt pm me your ip so i can add you manually
925 2012-07-15 23:21:23 <graingert> I think you need a #define bitcoin developers
926 2012-07-15 23:21:23 <D34TH> these trackers are slow
927 2012-07-15 23:21:28 <BlueMatt> wait..."Connection failed" to tracker...
928 2012-07-15 23:21:46 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: well, the only way it could mean anything else, would be if it assigned copyright to another legal entity. I don't see how it could do that.
929 2012-07-15 23:21:47 <graingert> BlueMatt: lol, also if you create a torrent file then it will go a lot faster
930 2012-07-15 23:22:32 <BlueMatt> graingert: I did, but I dont feel like uploading that either
931 2012-07-15 23:22:37 <BlueMatt> graingert: call me lazy...
932 2012-07-15 23:24:41 Joric has quit ()
933 2012-07-15 23:24:55 <graingert> I think I've got D34TH's ip
934 2012-07-15 23:25:05 <D34TH> not even mad.jpg
935 2012-07-15 23:25:14 <graingert> http://pastebin.com/TBWVcrSk
936 2012-07-15 23:25:23 <graingert> BlueMatt: [2001:470:4:9b1::2]:14284
937 2012-07-15 23:25:24 <BlueMatt> wow, youre a dick...
938 2012-07-15 23:25:27 <BlueMatt> nope
939 2012-07-15 23:25:31 <graingert> BlueMatt: ?
940 2012-07-15 23:25:37 <graingert> you know how trackers work right?
941 2012-07-15 23:25:40 <BlueMatt> Im on 2001:470:9ff2
942 2012-07-15 23:26:01 <BlueMatt> graingert: ok, but you dont have to pastebin on a logged chan...
943 2012-07-15 23:26:11 <luke-jr> so is maaku's OSX stuff public?
944 2012-07-15 23:26:13 <BlueMatt> graingert: you'll know you've got me when the rdns is lan.bluematt.me
945 2012-07-15 23:26:23 Marf has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
946 2012-07-15 23:26:25 <D34TH> imo couldnt he just add the rdns?
947 2012-07-15 23:26:28 <luke-jr> even if it's not deterministic, I imagine combining it with mine might make it good to go
948 2012-07-15 23:26:29 <D34TH> and the port
949 2012-07-15 23:26:49 <BlueMatt> D34TH: lan.bluematt.me has no forward dns, only reverse
950 2012-07-15 23:26:55 <D34TH> ahh
951 2012-07-15 23:27:13 <graingert> ah I'm connected to BlueMatt now
952 2012-07-15 23:27:29 <D34TH> i could totally lock graingert off and he would lose the seckseh speed im giving him
953 2012-07-15 23:27:57 <BlueMatt> ok, do you guys' down speeds suck or is my ipv6 tun f'd up?
954 2012-07-15 23:28:18 <graingert> BlueMatt: are you v6 only?
955 2012-07-15 23:28:24 <BlueMatt> for incoming, yea
956 2012-07-15 23:28:33 <graingert> BlueMatt: no nat upnp?
957 2012-07-15 23:28:43 * BlueMatt is also too lazy to forward his ports to his laptop
958 2012-07-15 23:28:49 <D34TH> bluematt your tun speed sucks
959 2012-07-15 23:29:01 <BlueMatt> wtf, my pings are fine...maybe your tun sucks?
960 2012-07-15 23:29:06 <graingert> torrent clients will UPNP
961 2012-07-15 23:29:13 <BlueMatt> and I dont use upnp...
962 2012-07-15 23:29:19 <graingert> sensible
963 2012-07-15 23:29:52 <graingert> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1353167/ubuntu.tar.xz.torrent
964 2012-07-15 23:30:39 <graingert> any complaints if it goes on the bay?
965 2012-07-15 23:30:53 <BlueMatt> no
966 2012-07-15 23:31:02 <BlueMatt> have fun telling people what to do with it...
967 2012-07-15 23:31:08 <D34TH> lol
968 2012-07-15 23:31:14 <graingert> it's just that RSS bots will download it
969 2012-07-15 23:31:19 <graingert> and seed it for a bit
970 2012-07-15 23:31:43 <BlueMatt> lemme move this crap to the seedbox downstairs, see if that can seed faster (and it has its ports forwarded for ipv4 too)
971 2012-07-15 23:33:01 <luke-jr> what's going on? :p
972 2012-07-15 23:33:10 <BlueMatt> seed party
973 2012-07-15 23:33:41 <graingert> luke-jr: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1353167/ubuntu.tar.xz.torrent
974 2012-07-15 23:34:20 <graingert> BlueMatt: is that you?
975 2012-07-15 23:34:25 <BlueMatt> yep
976 2012-07-15 23:34:38 <luke-jr> graingert: ?
977 2012-07-15 23:34:43 <graingert> I'm sending to you
978 2012-07-15 23:34:45 <luke-jr> why are we torrenting Ubuntu?
979 2012-07-15 23:34:50 <BlueMatt> have fun with that though, deutsche telekom forces ip rotates every 24 hours...
980 2012-07-15 23:34:57 <D34TH> we arent, thats the secret
981 2012-07-15 23:34:57 <BlueMatt> actually, Im due for one soon here...
982 2012-07-15 23:35:03 <graingert> we're torrenting ubuntu.tar.xz
983 2012-07-15 23:35:26 <BlueMatt> luke-jr: its a folder with all the windows deps set up and built xcompiled to build bitcoin for win32 on ubuntu
984 2012-07-15 23:35:31 <graingert> BlueMatt: lol that it was downloading some of it off me
985 2012-07-15 23:35:40 <BlueMatt> (its named ubuntu because it was /home/ubuntu as thats what gitian uses)
986 2012-07-15 23:35:46 <BlueMatt> graingert: sorry, seedbox vs laptop)
987 2012-07-15 23:35:51 nimdAHK has joined
988 2012-07-15 23:35:57 <graingert> no issue
989 2012-07-15 23:36:06 <D34TH> im still uploading @ 33kb/s
990 2012-07-15 23:36:12 <D34TH> 50
991 2012-07-15 23:36:13 <D34TH> lol
992 2012-07-15 23:36:17 <graingert> 70 kB
993 2012-07-15 23:36:24 <graingert> that's more liek it
994 2012-07-15 23:36:29 <BlueMatt> there, seedbox is seeding bit better
995 2012-07-15 23:36:42 <graingert> probably cause I was going over toredo
996 2012-07-15 23:36:46 <graingert> torredo ?
997 2012-07-15 23:36:48 <graingert> one of those
998 2012-07-15 23:36:53 <BlueMatt> now have fun competing with the other torrents on there ;)
999 2012-07-15 23:38:41 <BlueMatt> to build bitcoin-qt, you want to untar to /home/ubuntu (no need to make the user) then ./qmake-script.sh then make -jN
1000 2012-07-15 23:38:48 <BlueMatt> (I think...)
1001 2012-07-15 23:39:32 <graingert> I'm guessing the KDE user is catholic
1002 2012-07-15 23:40:27 <BlueMatt> oh, and nfc bout what branches are in the bitcoin folder, thats a clone of my copy that i dev in, so have fun with that...
1003 2012-07-15 23:42:05 <luke-jr> my share ratio is 0.01; is this worth it? :p
1004 2012-07-15 23:43:24 <graingert> coiax: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1353167/ubuntu.tar.xz.torrent
1005 2012-07-15 23:43:27 <BlueMatt> afaik, only D34TH has an interest in the file, so Im not sure its worth anyone else seeding...
1006 2012-07-15 23:43:43 <BlueMatt> but, hey, whatever
1007 2012-07-15 23:44:11 <D34TH> maaku: you there? i found an error
1008 2012-07-15 23:44:18 <graingert> BlueMatt: what's your total upspeed?
1009 2012-07-15 23:44:37 tower has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
1010 2012-07-15 23:44:49 <maaku> yes?
1011 2012-07-15 23:45:00 <BlueMatt> graingert: 1m
1012 2012-07-15 23:45:07 <D34TH> maaku: wrong checksum on makefile for qrencode
1013 2012-07-15 23:45:08 <BlueMatt> (pay for 1.6, yay...)
1014 2012-07-15 23:45:46 <BlueMatt> now back at school....thats some upload
1015 2012-07-15 23:46:04 <maaku> weird--that should have failed for me too
1016 2012-07-15 23:46:07 <maaku> what's your checksum?
1017 2012-07-15 23:46:24 <D34TH> acc2f696d0efe888b9b00fe8422e10416c9c432ab7050dc17bb1719f602cb3ef
1018 2012-07-15 23:46:33 <D34TH> but in the makefile its 03c4bc7cd9a75747c3815d509bbe061907d615764f2357923f0db948c567068f
1019 2012-07-15 23:46:40 membersonlyguy has quit (Quit: Saindo)
1020 2012-07-15 23:47:13 <luke-jr> whoever is seeding should just upload to me <.<
1021 2012-07-15 23:47:24 <graingert> luke-jr: y
1022 2012-07-15 23:47:33 <luke-jr> I imagine I have the best upstream somehow
1023 2012-07-15 23:47:40 <graingert> speed?
1024 2012-07-15 23:47:57 gutis89 has joined
1025 2012-07-15 23:47:59 <luke-jr> dunno
1026 2012-07-15 23:48:02 <graingert> lol
1027 2012-07-15 23:48:07 <graingert> I'm about 2Mb
1028 2012-07-15 23:48:11 <graingert> /s
1029 2012-07-15 23:48:13 gutis89 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1030 2012-07-15 23:48:16 <D34TH> im downloading at ~100kB/s
1031 2012-07-15 23:48:26 <D34TH> and seeding @ ~83 kB/s
1032 2012-07-15 23:48:31 membersonlyguy has joined
1033 2012-07-15 23:48:32 * BlueMatt misses the dorms, 100M download during off-peak? sure, 100M ethernet links yep
1034 2012-07-15 23:48:33 <maaku> check your download--03c4bc should be right
1035 2012-07-15 23:48:42 <maaku> https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=en&q=acc2f696d0efe888b9b00fe8422e10416c9c432ab7050dc17bb1719f602cb3ef
1036 2012-07-15 23:48:58 <graingert> I only got 100Mb 80Mb on torrent
1037 2012-07-15 23:48:59 tower has joined
1038 2012-07-15 23:49:20 <maaku> er, https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=en&q=03c4bc7cd9a75747c3815d509bbe061907d615764f2357923f0db948c567068f
1039 2012-07-15 23:49:35 <BlueMatt> graingert: 100Mb 80Mb? you mean down/up?
1040 2012-07-15 23:49:40 <graingert> no
1041 2012-07-15 23:49:48 <graingert> 80Mb was what I got for torrent
1042 2012-07-15 23:49:49 <graingert> s
1043 2012-07-15 23:49:55 <graingert> 100Mb was what I got for speed test
1044 2012-07-15 23:49:59 <BlueMatt> bout to say, what kind of isp has a ratio of 10:8
1045 2012-07-15 23:49:59 <graingert> QoS ?
1046 2012-07-15 23:50:03 <graingert> who knows
1047 2012-07-15 23:50:03 <BlueMatt> oh...
1048 2012-07-15 23:50:17 <graingert> anyway I often got much higher upload
1049 2012-07-15 23:50:19 Matt_von_Mises1 has joined
1050 2012-07-15 23:50:22 <graingert> than download
1051 2012-07-15 23:50:34 <BlueMatt> speed test to a server on your isp that is downstream from bottleneck also possible
1052 2012-07-15 23:50:35 <graingert> (ie when I wasn't getting my 80Mb)
1053 2012-07-15 23:50:40 Matt_von_Mises1 has left ()
1054 2012-07-15 23:50:54 <graingert> presumably it was two boxes basically on JANET
1055 2012-07-15 23:50:58 Matt_von_Mises has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1056 2012-07-15 23:51:01 <graingert> one* box*
1057 2012-07-15 23:51:22 <graingert> <3 JANET wide multicast
1058 2012-07-15 23:51:35 <graingert> multicast + torrents would rockz0r
1059 2012-07-15 23:51:41 <D34TH> maaku: now its completely different that i redownloaded it
1060 2012-07-15 23:51:42 <D34TH> dafuq
1061 2012-07-15 23:52:00 <maaku> that happens, believe it or not
1062 2012-07-15 23:52:20 <D34TH> there it maches now
1063 2012-07-15 23:52:22 <maaku> that's why these scripts use checksums ;)
1064 2012-07-15 23:52:25 <D34TH> cant use curl or wget
1065 2012-07-15 23:52:31 <D34TH> must use firefox
1066 2012-07-15 23:52:41 <BlueMatt> graingert: yea...multicast + a ton of different things would be awesome
1067 2012-07-15 23:52:50 <graingert> lazers
1068 2012-07-15 23:53:03 <BlueMatt> moar lazrzzzzzz
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1071 2012-07-15 23:54:24 <graingert> http://www.mirrorbrain.org/
1072 2012-07-15 23:54:27 <graingert> sort of cool
1073 2012-07-15 23:55:12 nimdAHK is now known as bitcoin
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1076 2012-07-15 23:58:06 bitcoin is now known as nimdAHK