1 2012-07-24 00:00:31 t7 has joined
2 2012-07-24 00:00:40 <lianj> MMavipc: Joric paste works?
3 2012-07-24 00:00:45 <lianj> *but
4 2012-07-24 00:02:07 <Joric> it should be 214 bytes
5 2012-07-24 00:02:08 <luke-jr> Anyone else want to seed http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/bitcoin/files/blk0001/blk0001.torrent ?
6 2012-07-24 00:02:38 <lianj> Joric: btw, http://pastebin.com/JjqPgwag works too
7 2012-07-24 00:02:41 <Joric> 279 bytes for uncompressed keys, 214 bytes for compressed keys
8 2012-07-24 00:03:30 <MMavipc> Then what are these 282 bytes?
9 2012-07-24 00:04:37 <lianj> 3 bytes too much?
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11 2012-07-24 00:05:09 <jgarzik> luke-jr: sure, if I can grab the file quickly
12 2012-07-24 00:05:12 <MMavipc> I tried skipping past them, no dice
13 2012-07-24 00:05:15 <luke-jr> jgarzik: it's 2 GB :P
14 2012-07-24 00:05:26 <luke-jr> jgarzik: you can create most of it easily though
15 2012-07-24 00:05:44 <luke-jr> jgarzik: run a complete node disconnected, then run a second new node that downloads from the first
16 2012-07-24 00:05:49 <lianj> MMavipc: show them :P
17 2012-07-24 00:06:12 [darkwhite]_u is now known as {darkwhite}
18 2012-07-24 00:06:13 <luke-jr> the second node will create the blk0001.dat file, so long as the first remains offline
19 2012-07-24 00:06:51 <luke-jr> the rest is 64 MB
20 2012-07-24 00:07:19 <Joric> MMavipc, try keys from http://brainwallet.org
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22 2012-07-24 00:09:06 <MMavipc> http://filesmelt.com/dl/wallet.txt first you have the public address(confirmed correct) then a space, then the raw data for the private key
23 2012-07-24 00:10:34 <yellowhat> luke-jr to seed i would need the exact copy of your blk0001.dat right?
24 2012-07-24 00:10:45 <luke-jr> yellowhat: or create it the way I just described, yes
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26 2012-07-24 00:10:52 <Joric> private key there starts from 30 81 offset 0x52
27 2012-07-24 00:11:49 <Joric> oh sorry maybe not ) just search for 0x30
28 2012-07-24 00:12:58 <lianj> yes, the first 3 bytes are too much
29 2012-07-24 00:13:09 <jgarzik> crazy
30 2012-07-24 00:13:28 <jgarzik> sendfrom causes 100% CPU usage, and takes about 60 seconds to complete
31 2012-07-24 00:13:51 <jgarzik> just finished a perf run to see what's going on
32 2012-07-24 00:14:50 <MMavipc> YAY IT'S NOT GIVING ME A NULL POINTER FOR PRIVATE KEY ANYMORE I AM VERY EXCITED
33 2012-07-24 00:15:13 <galambo_> i know the feeling
34 2012-07-24 00:15:17 <t7> calm down dear
35 2012-07-24 00:15:26 <lianj> ^^
36 2012-07-24 00:15:58 <lianj> "ce087c18860dc975550bc31922cc35a99e6c99af1b91b926f4fa313a7291b99" => "1Kkv94t2DLbSkY9Zrm7mjJqyfEsQn5QjuF"
37 2012-07-24 00:16:50 variousnefarious has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
38 2012-07-24 00:16:55 <Joric> nope
39 2012-07-24 00:17:17 <MMavipc> wrong private key
40 2012-07-24 00:17:18 <MMavipc> damnit
41 2012-07-24 00:17:23 <Joric> it's either 1GsvbeweFGvA7h3M82V3fw4osze6Rc2SMq or 1Bh3mfJtJdkCkRDtzeynJ3A1W1fxfgSbnH
42 2012-07-24 00:17:25 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, first tracker is bad i think
43 2012-07-24 00:17:31 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: all 4 are bad I think :/
44 2012-07-24 00:17:42 <MMavipc> public key is supposed to be 1HcQEr4H9yovXZQK5BUCr6azw1kdyj2cf9
45 2012-07-24 00:17:48 <luke-jr> know any decent ones? -.-
46 2012-07-24 00:17:57 <t7> MMavipc: whats your private key?
47 2012-07-24 00:17:57 <phantomcircuit> openbittorrent should just work iirc
48 2012-07-24 00:18:11 <MMavipc> t7: that's what we're trying to find out
49 2012-07-24 00:18:33 <MMavipc> t7: http://filesmelt.com/dl/wallet.txt public key, space, private key raw data
50 2012-07-24 00:19:06 variousnefarious has joined
51 2012-07-24 00:19:07 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: apparently not
52 2012-07-24 00:20:25 <lianj> Joric: why is the privkey i posted wrong?
53 2012-07-24 00:21:04 <MMavipc> the pubkey of the privkey you posted is 19CWRy916Qzd1vKVmWHgEV6r4y8jEZQexb
54 2012-07-24 00:21:16 <jgarzik> luke-jr: bleh
55 2012-07-24 00:21:18 <MMavipc> but we already know the pubkey is supposed to be 1h....
56 2012-07-24 00:21:22 <MMavipc> *1H....
57 2012-07-24 00:21:24 <jgarzik> luke-jr: if I could copy your file, I could seed it
58 2012-07-24 00:21:34 <jgarzik> luke-jr: otherwise the world will be slow-boating it until you seed it
59 2012-07-24 00:21:42 <luke-jr> jgarzik: you can get it from me via the torrent :P
60 2012-07-24 00:22:11 dbe has joined
61 2012-07-24 00:22:11 <jgarzik> luke-jr: that is what I mean by slow boat
62 2012-07-24 00:22:12 <Joric> MMavipc, it's ce087c18860dc975550bc31922cc35a99e6c99af1b91b926f4fa313ac7291b99 and address is 1HcQEr4H9yovXZQK5BUCr6azw1kdyj2cf9
63 2012-07-24 00:22:15 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, seems like one of them is now working
64 2012-07-24 00:22:29 <phantomcircuit> lol but none of the peers have any of the data
65 2012-07-24 00:22:32 <luke-jr> jgarzik: I don't know any other way to avoid that, than making it yourself :/
66 2012-07-24 00:22:38 <MMavipc> ah, so it was correct
67 2012-07-24 00:22:48 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: the first two are intermittant for me
68 2012-07-24 00:22:57 <MMavipc> http://gobittest.appspot.com/Address has a faulty address calculator
69 2012-07-24 00:22:59 <phantomcircuit> i think this is working off of dht alone
70 2012-07-24 00:23:45 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, what's the seed peer
71 2012-07-24 00:23:56 <Joric> MMavipc, nice address harvester!
72 2012-07-24 00:24:00 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: me?
73 2012-07-24 00:24:14 <luke-jr> 2001:470:5:265:222:4dff:fe50:4c49
74 2012-07-24 00:24:39 <jgarzik> sigh
75 2012-07-24 00:24:49 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, lol i think i know what's wrong :)
76 2012-07-24 00:24:50 <luke-jr> I still see zero peers
77 2012-07-24 00:24:56 <jgarzik> yeah really
78 2012-07-24 00:24:58 <phantomcircuit> none of the other peers are ipv6
79 2012-07-24 00:25:02 <phantomcircuit> not surprisingly
80 2012-07-24 00:25:03 <luke-jr> -.-
81 2012-07-24 00:25:10 <jgarzik> Luke Jr Makes Life Hard For Himself Again, Film At 11
82 2012-07-24 00:25:17 <phantomcircuit> lol
83 2012-07-24 00:25:21 <Graet> lol
84 2012-07-24 00:25:52 <luke-jr> surely everyone has IPv6 by now? <.<
85 2012-07-24 00:25:59 <jgarzik> luke-jr: hence the request for you to direct-send to me
86 2012-07-24 00:26:07 <jgarzik> luke-jr: then I could seed to the rest of the sane world
87 2012-07-24 00:26:14 <Joric> MMavipc, see what i posted last time, you have wrong hex converter
88 2012-07-24 00:26:16 toffoo has joined
89 2012-07-24 00:26:20 <Joric> ce087c18860dc975550bc31922cc35a99e6c99af1b91b926f4fa313a7291b99 <- your shit
90 2012-07-24 00:26:26 <Joric> ce087c18860dc975550bc31922cc35a99e6c99af1b91b926f4fa313ac7291b99 <- my beauty
91 2012-07-24 00:26:49 bleat has joined
92 2012-07-24 00:26:50 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, what's the bdb command you need to do to get a clean db?
93 2012-07-24 00:27:07 <bleat> udp://tracker.ccc.de:80
94 2012-07-24 00:27:09 <bleat> udp://tracker.istole.it:80
95 2012-07-24 00:27:12 <bleat> those are both valid trackers
96 2012-07-24 00:27:23 <phantomcircuit> bleat, the seed box is ipv6 only
97 2012-07-24 00:27:25 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: db4.8_dump blkindex.db | db4.8_load new.db
98 2012-07-24 00:27:29 <phantomcircuit> so none of the other peers can connect to it
99 2012-07-24 00:27:32 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: dunno, I didn't tell it v6 only
100 2012-07-24 00:27:38 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: did you get PM?
101 2012-07-24 00:27:40 <bleat> yeah, i noticed that too, hah
102 2012-07-24 00:27:45 <jgarzik> luke-jr: if you want, I can create an ssh login for you, and you can scp to me
103 2012-07-24 00:27:51 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, that ip isn't any of the peers
104 2012-07-24 00:27:56 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: i believe the syscall you are looking for is unlink()
105 2012-07-24 00:28:00 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: can you manually add it?
106 2012-07-24 00:28:07 <phantomcircuit> jrmithdobbs, lawl
107 2012-07-24 00:28:12 <phantomcircuit> uh maybe
108 2012-07-24 00:28:16 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: half serious
109 2012-07-24 00:28:41 <luke-jr> oh, I was also only allowing encrypted connections
110 2012-07-24 00:28:45 * luke-jr checks "allow unencrypted"
111 2012-07-24 00:29:35 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, that's definitely not the problem
112 2012-07-24 00:31:01 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: what else can I try?
113 2012-07-24 00:31:09 <luke-jr> already forced v4 address a few mins ago
114 2012-07-24 00:32:11 <lianj> Joric: aw, now i get the same. wonder how i deleted the one char while pasting..
115 2012-07-24 00:32:15 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, turn on dht
116 2012-07-24 00:32:21 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: it is on
117 2012-07-24 00:32:22 <bleat> not allowing incoming connections? disable the first 2 trackers and use tracker.ccc.de
118 2012-07-24 00:32:24 <luke-jr> has been the whole time
119 2012-07-24 00:32:34 <morteng> Problem: blk0001.dat + blkindex.dat > 500MB approx 1.8 GigeByte; some directories exceed 3.5 GB;
120 2012-07-24 00:32:47 <morteng> Question? can I delete everything which looks like a memory leak and only start up again with wallet.dat?
121 2012-07-24 00:32:59 <Joric> MMavipc, yeah sorry it was lianj
122 2012-07-24 00:33:01 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, check that it's listening?
123 2012-07-24 00:33:02 <phantomcircuit> iono
124 2012-07-24 00:33:06 <luke-jr> morteng: if you want it to download it all againâ¦
125 2012-07-24 00:33:17 <luke-jr> tcp6 0 0 :::62881 :::* LISTEN 22749/ktorrent
126 2012-07-24 00:33:31 <gmaxwell> morteng: There is no "memory leak". The only thing that you can trivally delete is the debug.log
127 2012-07-24 00:33:44 <gmaxwell> (well the other things will just be downloaded again)
128 2012-07-24 00:33:59 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: give me a few
129 2012-07-24 00:34:02 <lianj> Joric: Bitcoin.pubkey_to_address(Bitcoin.regenerate_public_key("ce087c18860dc975550bc31922cc35a99e6c99af1b91b926f4fa313ac7291b99")) => "1HcQEr4H9yovXZQK5BUCr6azw1kdyj2cf9"
130 2012-07-24 00:34:05 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, i now have 2 peers neither of which are you
131 2012-07-24 00:34:07 <jrmithdobbs> i can throw a few good sources on that, actually
132 2012-07-24 00:34:14 <phantomcircuit> ip/port combo is connectable
133 2012-07-24 00:34:34 <luke-jr> looks like bittorrent needs to learn more from bitcoin than vice-versa <.<
134 2012-07-24 00:34:35 <lianj> Joric: the your shit came from your script or more my pasting over fail oO ^^ dunno what happend
135 2012-07-24 00:34:36 <phantomcircuit> im guessing your client is broadcasting ipv6 and mine is rejecting it
136 2012-07-24 00:34:42 <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: I'm forcing v4 now
137 2012-07-24 00:34:48 <bleat> yeah, i disabled ipv6
138 2012-07-24 00:35:06 <gmaxwell> bleat: why?
139 2012-07-24 00:35:24 <bleat> update tracker.ccc.de:80 ? you see 5 peers right?
140 2012-07-24 00:35:29 <bleat> because it slows this kimsufi down
141 2012-07-24 00:35:36 <luke-jr> ?
142 2012-07-24 00:36:30 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: also why did you create a .torrent? magnet link. this is 2012
143 2012-07-24 00:36:39 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: how?
144 2012-07-24 00:37:01 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: i don't know, i click create in transmission, ha
145 2012-07-24 00:37:55 <phantomcircuit> lol now im connected to 4 peers none of which are luke-jr
146 2012-07-24 00:38:08 <luke-jr> >_<
147 2012-07-24 00:38:29 morteng has quit (Quit: Leaving)
148 2012-07-24 00:38:56 <jrmithdobbs> phantomcircuit: I can't even grab the .torrent
149 2012-07-24 00:39:06 <jrmithdobbs> lol
150 2012-07-24 00:39:36 <jrmithdobbs> i have a fresh in-order download and a box i could recreate on in like 10 min
151 2012-07-24 00:39:44 <phantomcircuit> well right now im downloading blocks with timestamps on from a local peer so i can do a map of how long it takes to process the blocks
152 2012-07-24 00:39:49 <phantomcircuit> expect pretty graphs
153 2012-07-24 00:40:04 t7 has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
154 2012-07-24 00:40:19 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: your v6 is broke dude
155 2012-07-24 00:40:26 <jrmithdobbs> so broke
156 2012-07-24 00:40:54 <luke-jr> let's try adding http://announce.torrentsmd.com:6969/announce
157 2012-07-24 00:41:05 <jgarzik> 1 peer right now, here. us2.exmulti.net:6881
158 2012-07-24 00:41:08 <jgarzik> zero data
159 2012-07-24 00:42:14 <luke-jr> also announced to http://exodus.desync.com:6969/announce
160 2012-07-24 00:42:41 <luke-jr> I got a peer
161 2012-07-24 00:43:22 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: i can't even get the .torrent.
162 2012-07-24 00:43:28 <bleat> i'm connected
163 2012-07-24 00:43:29 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: â¦
164 2012-07-24 00:43:40 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr:
165 2012-07-24 00:43:41 <jrmithdobbs> $ curl -4LO http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/bitcoin/files/blk0001/blk0001.torrent
166 2012-07-24 00:43:44 <jrmithdobbs> % Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time Current
167 2012-07-24 00:43:45 <bleat> it's getting like 1 kb/s though
168 2012-07-24 00:43:47 <jrmithdobbs> Dload Upload Total Spent Left Speed
169 2012-07-24 00:43:50 <jrmithdobbs> 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 --:--:-- 0:00:26 --:--:-- 0
170 2012-07-24 00:44:05 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: works for me
171 2012-07-24 00:44:08 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: first time it timed out with v6 errors, now it's just hanging
172 2012-07-24 00:44:31 <bleat> it says he has 0% but it's downloading slowly
173 2012-07-24 00:44:33 <phantomcircuit> 14.9k blocks to go
174 2012-07-24 00:44:40 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: only thing blocked on that host are things that scan ssh logins ...
175 2012-07-24 00:44:43 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: curl: (7) couldn't connect to host
176 2012-07-24 00:44:44 <luke-jr> 3 peers now
177 2012-07-24 00:44:50 <jrmithdobbs> (on my side)
178 2012-07-24 00:44:53 <luke-jr> bleat: probably because I'm doing superseed
179 2012-07-24 00:45:05 <bleat> superseed is slow =/
180 2012-07-24 00:45:10 <luke-jr> â¦
181 2012-07-24 00:46:04 <phantomcircuit> 13.9k
182 2012-07-24 00:46:06 * luke-jr turns off QoS for now
183 2012-07-24 00:46:23 Joric has quit ()
184 2012-07-24 00:47:09 <jrmithdobbs> can someone with an unbroken network mirror the .torrent or create a magnet out of it?
185 2012-07-24 00:47:55 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, initial seed only works when leechers significantly outnumber seeds
186 2012-07-24 00:47:58 <phantomcircuit> in this case they dont
187 2012-07-24 00:48:35 * luke-jr ponders how to change the trackers in the torrent
188 2012-07-24 00:49:02 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: your network is broke man, I can hit that from 3 different continents
189 2012-07-24 00:49:07 <jrmithdobbs> err can't
190 2012-07-24 00:49:13 <bleat> well, the last 2 trackers worked, udp might not have been enabled in ktorrent
191 2012-07-24 00:49:52 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: you are the only one having problems
192 2012-07-24 00:49:57 <phantomcircuit> 11.6k blocks to go..
193 2012-07-24 00:50:02 <jrmithdobbs> bleat: no, the http address for the .torrent
194 2012-07-24 00:50:34 <jrmithdobbs> meh, w/e, found a source that worked
195 2012-07-24 00:54:51 <bleat> hmm like 1mbit upstream or is it that superseed junk?
196 2012-07-24 00:55:47 <luke-jr> probably 1mbit up
197 2012-07-24 00:55:56 <jgarzik> super-weird testnet3 behavior w/ git HEAD
198 2012-07-24 00:56:07 <jgarzik> I call 'getinfo' and bitcoind balloons until OOM
199 2012-07-24 00:56:48 <phantomcircuit> 9467 blocks to go
200 2012-07-24 00:56:54 <phantomcircuit> the last push is always the slowest :(
201 2012-07-24 00:57:36 <phantomcircuit> luke-jr, lol you have this choked so hard
202 2012-07-24 00:57:44 <phantomcircuit> 7 KB/s down
203 2012-07-24 00:57:45 <phantomcircuit> seriously
204 2012-07-24 00:57:48 supnigga has joined
205 2012-07-24 00:57:55 <luke-jr> jgarzik says not choked
206 2012-07-24 00:58:14 <phantomcircuit> your client is randomly changing the choke setting
207 2012-07-24 00:58:17 <jgarzik> Progress: 2.7%, dl from 4 of 5 peers (567 KiB/s), ul to 4 (100 KiB/s) [0.78]
208 2012-07-24 00:58:25 <phantomcircuit> im guessing it's engaged in some sort of tit for tat algorithm
209 2012-07-24 00:58:34 <phantomcircuit> since there's not a lot of peers this doesn't work very well
210 2012-07-24 00:58:56 <jgarzik> Progress: 2.7%, dl from 0 of 5 peers (0 KiB/s), ul to 4 (100 KiB/s) [0.84]
211 2012-07-24 00:59:10 <jgarzik> very bursty
212 2012-07-24 00:59:19 <jgarzik> but then that's superseed for you
213 2012-07-24 00:59:25 <luke-jr> I turned off superseed
214 2012-07-24 00:59:28 <luke-jr> let's see if that helps
215 2012-07-24 00:59:44 <phantomcircuit> it's already helping
216 2012-07-24 00:59:48 <phantomcircuit> 50 KB/s
217 2012-07-24 00:59:53 <jgarzik> Progress: 2.7%, dl from 0 of 5 peers (0 KiB/s), ul to 4 (0 KiB/s) [0.86]
218 2012-07-24 00:59:57 * jgarzik waits for the network effect
219 2012-07-24 01:00:06 warflute has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
220 2012-07-24 01:01:12 <bleat> magnet:?xt=urn:btih:59CEA00FA98F0819457963858AFF2CA4F5F97835
221 2012-07-24 01:02:05 <bleat> 3.5% =p
222 2012-07-24 01:02:18 bleat has quit (Quit: Leaving)
223 2012-07-24 01:03:01 <phantomcircuit> 8200 blocks
224 2012-07-24 01:03:06 <phantomcircuit> this is getting way slower
225 2012-07-24 01:03:16 <phantomcircuit> 53 days ago
226 2012-07-24 01:05:30 copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
227 2012-07-24 01:06:13 <jgarzik> gmaxwell: I presume your 'getinfo' works as expected, on your testnet3 node?
228 2012-07-24 01:06:46 <gmaxwell> seems to!
229 2012-07-24 01:09:50 <KingKatari> Hey Luke you wanna sell a copy of your Bot I need it for the Block announce ment
230 2012-07-24 01:09:58 <KingKatari> err announcement
231 2012-07-24 01:11:30 <phantomcircuit> lol
232 2012-07-24 01:11:40 <phantomcircuit> the news is all over
233 2012-07-24 01:11:45 <phantomcircuit> "BAN ASSAULT RIFLES"
234 2012-07-24 01:12:07 <phantomcircuit> obviously none of these people are aware that the assault weapon ban was trivially circumvented
235 2012-07-24 01:12:14 <phantomcircuit> they just changed the model numbers
236 2012-07-24 01:12:15 <phantomcircuit> derp
237 2012-07-24 01:12:47 <MC1984> wont the only people who have guns then be the ones that shoot up places then
238 2012-07-24 01:12:59 <phantomcircuit> you end up with mexico
239 2012-07-24 01:13:08 <phantomcircuit> where btw private gun ownership is 100% illegal
240 2012-07-24 01:13:12 <phantomcircuit> and yet tons of guns
241 2012-07-24 01:13:30 <MC1984> mexico is a product of US drug policy
242 2012-07-24 01:13:55 <phantomcircuit> mexico is a product of falling oil production and bad policy
243 2012-07-24 01:14:33 <Diablo-D3> mexico is a product of people.
244 2012-07-24 01:14:34 <Diablo-D3> there.
245 2012-07-24 01:14:35 <Diablo-D3> I said it.
246 2012-07-24 01:14:50 <MC1984> i mean the drug cartel situation there
247 2012-07-24 01:15:17 <phantomcircuit> i think we all know what you meant
248 2012-07-24 01:16:21 <MC1984> eh
249 2012-07-24 01:16:37 Joric has joined
250 2012-07-24 01:16:37 Joric has quit (Changing host)
251 2012-07-24 01:16:37 Joric has joined
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253 2012-07-24 01:20:18 <jgarzik> well
254 2012-07-24 01:20:31 <jgarzik> perf says garbageIsMinegarbage shows up in the profiles
255 2012-07-24 01:20:38 <jgarzik> getinfo works again without OOM'ing
256 2012-07-24 01:21:00 <jgarzik> I'm guessing that sending coins to myself repeatedly wasn't so good, at zero confirmations
257 2012-07-24 01:21:11 <jgarzik> once confirmed (they are), life returns to normal
258 2012-07-24 01:22:06 <jgarzik> gmaxwell: are you at #8683 on testnet3?
259 2012-07-24 01:22:15 <gmaxwell> "blocks" : 8683,
260 2012-07-24 01:22:21 <jgarzik> good
261 2012-07-24 01:22:42 <gmaxwell> yea, oh it's normal for getinfo to become enormously slow when you send to yourself a lot.
262 2012-07-24 01:22:48 <gmaxwell> it has an exp time algorithim.
263 2012-07-24 01:23:05 <gmaxwell> basically it recursively walks back every input to see if all the ancestors are ismine or are confirmed.
264 2012-07-24 01:23:23 <gmaxwell> and about 30 or so are enough to takes tens of seconds to getinfo (in order to get the balance)
265 2012-07-24 01:23:53 <jgarzik> gmaxwell: bitcoind grew to ~4gb and got OOM-killed :)
266 2012-07-24 01:23:53 <gmaxwell> when generating test output I just disabled that confirmation check recursion.
267 2012-07-24 01:24:07 <gmaxwell> hm I'd never noticed it using lots of memory before..that may be new.
268 2012-07-24 01:24:24 <jgarzik> sendfrom was also taking 1-2 minutes
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272 2012-07-24 01:34:10 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: if you ever actually upload all of it it should have ~400mbit seeding
273 2012-07-24 01:40:47 <phantomcircuit> it's on my gbps box
274 2012-07-24 01:40:55 <phantomcircuit> so it's pretty much infinity seeded
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277 2012-07-24 01:47:37 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: do you have a repeatable method for creating a similar pruned db?
278 2012-07-24 01:48:03 <jrmithdobbs> obv blkindex.dat wont match exactly because block chain will be slightly different
279 2012-07-24 01:48:49 <jgarzik> excellent. pynode successfully handles testnet3 or mainnet, network IBD or loadblock from file.
280 2012-07-24 01:49:05 <jgarzik> need to tackle chain reorg, because my blk0001.dat being used for import has some orphans, and pynode chokes :)
281 2012-07-24 01:49:59 <jgarzik> luke-jr: torrent has been stalled at 6.5% for a little while now
282 2012-07-24 01:50:15 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: it's going fine here
283 2012-07-24 01:50:56 <jrmithdobbs> well fine for values of fine defined by how fast torrents went in 2001, ;p
284 2012-07-24 01:51:48 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: there's ~18% on the swarm
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286 2012-07-24 01:56:09 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: the trackers in use are p crappy
287 2012-07-24 01:56:27 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: i keep getting timeouts on them trying to find new peers
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291 2012-07-24 01:57:49 <wizkid057> hmm, so, no peers want to give me any data,... lol
292 2012-07-24 02:00:55 <jrmithdobbs> also: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:59cea00fa98f0819457963858aff2ca4f5f97835&dn=blk0001&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.publicbt.com%3A80&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3A80&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.ccc.de%3A80&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.istole.it%3A80
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294 2012-07-24 02:01:38 <HappMacDonald> When you mine a new block, you get to choose which direct ancestor block you will bless as part of your chain, right? So, what checks and balances discourage a miner from skipping the most recent block, specifically to rebless the transactions from that block and try to steal it's transaction fees?
295 2012-07-24 02:02:27 <wizkid057> HappMacDonald: the recent block will have already propegated, so a new block will get orphaned
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298 2012-07-24 02:04:27 <HappMacDonald> wizkid057, what does "propogated" mean in this context? Of course the network sees the most recent block, but if your block blesses it's parent instead of it, what incentive would the next block have to choose the elder block over you? Your chains are of equal length.
299 2012-07-24 02:05:06 <wizkid057> HappMacDonald: the fact that the rest of the network will already be mining against the older of the two
300 2012-07-24 02:05:09 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: no, bdb doesn't seem to produce deterministic results :/
301 2012-07-24 02:05:19 <wizkid057> and wont switch just because you submit an orphan
302 2012-07-24 02:05:21 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: for making the blk0001.dat tho, see log
303 2012-07-24 02:05:55 <wizkid057> luke-jr: i assume no other peers have 100% of your torrent...
304 2012-07-24 02:06:07 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: are you using the new torrent or the old one?
305 2012-07-24 02:06:40 <jrmithdobbs> err
306 2012-07-24 02:06:45 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: so I can recreate the blk0001.dat ?
307 2012-07-24 02:06:57 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: I'm using whatever this was from the url at this time cdt -rw-r--r-- 1 mith staff 41K Jul 23 19:56 blk0001.torrent
308 2012-07-24 02:07:14 <luke-jr> wizkid057: afaik
309 2012-07-24 02:07:27 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: yes
310 2012-07-24 02:07:35 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: I think that's the old one
311 2012-07-24 02:08:04 <HappMacDonald> wizkid057: Hmm.. but your block becomes the newest block, so would they reject you just because you're forking? I wonder how that algorithm makes it's decisions. :3
312 2012-07-24 02:08:20 <luke-jr> HappMacDonald: they won't replace the other block for no reason
313 2012-07-24 02:08:39 <wizkid057> unless you mined two blocks before they mined the next block
314 2012-07-24 02:08:47 <wizkid057> referencing your own blocks
315 2012-07-24 02:09:23 <HappMacDonald> I was under the impression the algorithm just tried mining against the most recent block, so long as most recent block was syntactically correct. If not "most recent", then I'm curious what the deciding principal is in case of a split attempt.
316 2012-07-24 02:09:51 <wizkid057> longest chain wins
317 2012-07-24 02:09:56 <HappMacDonald> Or does the algorithm favor the oldest head to break the tie of longest chain?
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319 2012-07-24 02:10:13 <wizkid057> there is no tie... two blocks can compete to win, but, one will always win
320 2012-07-24 02:11:09 <HappMacDonald> If you skip your direct predecessor, then you and pred both have equally long chains.
321 2012-07-24 02:11:10 <wizkid057> to skip a block you'd have to mine a block referencing it AND a block referencing your first block to overtake the longest chain
322 2012-07-24 02:11:11 <wizkid057> otherwise the network will just orphan you
323 2012-07-24 02:11:12 <wizkid057> because your chain is 1 block shorter
324 2012-07-24 02:11:22 <HappMacDonald> How would your chain be one block shorter?
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339 2012-07-24 02:12:14 <wizkid057> because the rest of the network will mine against the first block they see that references the previous block
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344 2012-07-24 02:12:27 <HappMacDonald> Current chain is ... <- A <- B <- C. You mine block D, but instead of referencing C you reference B. Now there are two potential chains: ABC and ABD. Whoever mines E has to choose if he will ref C or D..
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346 2012-07-24 02:12:37 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: what's the newest?
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358 2012-07-24 02:12:40 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: can you prioritize the small files on your end so i can see the log? ;p
359 2012-07-24 02:12:40 <jrmithdobbs> actually, i bet this'll work
360 2012-07-24 02:12:40 <jrmithdobbs> i bet my blk0001.dat is close enough for rtorrent to recover and just use tbqh ;p
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363 2012-07-24 02:12:43 <HappMacDonald> Okay, so like I said "tie of longest chain is broken by oldest (valid) head". Thank you. ;3
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365 2012-07-24 02:12:54 <wizkid057> HappMacDonald: yes, but, everyone will choose to mine against C, not D
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373 2012-07-24 02:13:59 <HappMacDonald> That answers my question then, thanks wizkid057! :B
374 2012-07-24 02:14:02 slush has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
375 2012-07-24 02:14:21 <wizkid057> np
376 2012-07-24 02:14:29 HappMacDonald has quit (Quit: Page closed)
377 2012-07-24 02:14:37 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: most likely other blk0001.dat will work up to the point where they find an orphan or go out of order
378 2012-07-24 02:14:44 <luke-jr> would be interesting to know how well that works
379 2012-07-24 02:14:52 <Joric> did you know that the entire network capacity costs $400k in new gen asics? :)
380 2012-07-24 02:15:05 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: i'm trying now, also, all the parts for the small files exist on the swarm now
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383 2012-07-24 02:15:31 <luke-jr> Joric: current or after BFL ASICs ship? :p
384 2012-07-24 02:15:55 <wizkid057> i'll leave my one server downloading/seeding/etc
385 2012-07-24 02:16:20 <wizkid057> Seed time: 72h
386 2012-07-24 02:16:20 <wizkid057> lol
387 2012-07-24 02:16:49 <luke-jr> everyone should've copied their blk0001.dat to the target dir before starting I guess
388 2012-07-24 02:16:50 <luke-jr> oh well
389 2012-07-24 02:17:09 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: seeding is about to get much better it looks like
390 2012-07-24 02:17:12 <wizkid057> seems like your upstream isnt all that great
391 2012-07-24 02:17:27 <Joric> luke-jr, new BFL gen, has been announced in june, ~20 bucks per GH
392 2012-07-24 02:17:34 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: 1968.2 / 2064.2 MB
393 2012-07-24 02:17:40 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: nice
394 2012-07-24 02:17:51 <wizkid057> haha
395 2012-07-24 02:18:27 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: ya like i said, i *just* did a complete chain download on that recently
396 2012-07-24 02:18:30 <Joric> 3.5 GH/s $149 retail
397 2012-07-24 02:18:31 <jrmithdobbs> so it should be pretty in order
398 2012-07-24 02:18:51 <jrmithdobbs> if it can get reconnected to some peers, heh
399 2012-07-24 02:18:52 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: Bitcoin-Qt tends to go out of order usually ime
400 2012-07-24 02:19:07 <luke-jr> Joric: Singles are a better deal
401 2012-07-24 02:19:11 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: bitcoind with single -connect= sync
402 2012-07-24 02:19:20 <luke-jr> hm
403 2012-07-24 02:19:51 <wizkid057> i think my compiles of bitcoind link against a different database lib version
404 2012-07-24 02:19:55 <wizkid057> ...
405 2012-07-24 02:20:37 <luke-jr> wizkid057: blk0001.dat isn't db ;)
406 2012-07-24 02:20:53 <luke-jr> it's the blocks concatenated
407 2012-07-24 02:21:07 <luke-jr> in order of "seen on the network"
408 2012-07-24 02:21:23 <wizkid057> well, i copied my entire .bitcoin dir from a binary version
409 2012-07-24 02:21:26 <wizkid057> no go
410 2012-07-24 02:21:27 <wizkid057> lol
411 2012-07-24 02:21:34 <Joric> say, i'm buying entire network at once in mini rigs ($30k per TH), 30 * 15 = 450k$ that's basically, it
412 2012-07-24 02:22:28 <wizkid057> ah woot, two seeders
413 2012-07-24 02:22:30 <Joric> bitcoin will cost me about 4 cents
414 2012-07-24 02:23:03 <luke-jr> I don't see the other one :o
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416 2012-07-24 02:23:58 <wizkid057> just jumped from 30kb/sec to 300kb/sec
417 2012-07-24 02:24:04 <Joric> well, i mean i take over the network and the entire economy belongs to me
418 2012-07-24 02:24:30 <Joric> ;;calc 400000 / [bc,totalbc]
419 2012-07-24 02:24:30 <gribble> 0.0420035703035
420 2012-07-24 02:25:23 <Joric> http://jcwinnie.biz/wordpress/imageSnag/Dr_Evil.jpg
421 2012-07-24 02:26:51 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: consider that shit seeded
422 2012-07-24 02:27:10 <jrmithdobbs> [Throttle off/off KB] [Rate 5855.5/416.2 KB] [Port: 6903]
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424 2012-07-24 02:28:34 <wizkid057> yeah, leeching at about 4.5MB/sec
425 2012-07-24 02:28:36 <wizkid057> lol
426 2012-07-24 02:28:54 <luke-jr> nice
427 2012-07-24 02:28:55 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: thanks
428 2012-07-24 02:28:59 <wizkid057> make that 6.2MB/sec
429 2012-07-24 02:29:03 <wizkid057> :O
430 2012-07-24 02:29:13 <jrmithdobbs> make that 100mbit straight up
431 2012-07-24 02:29:16 <jrmithdobbs> ha
432 2012-07-24 02:29:21 <jrmithdobbs> i better make a call real quick
433 2012-07-24 02:29:24 <wizkid057> well, when mine is done it'll have gigabit :P
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435 2012-07-24 02:32:40 <wizkid057> Upload rate: 9388576B/s
436 2012-07-24 02:33:10 <wizkid057> not even seeding yet
437 2012-07-24 02:35:34 <BTCHero> luke-jr: why would it have only been 57% done if i put my blk file in there?
438 2012-07-24 02:35:54 <jgarzik> python2's stdio is an utter fail. 1st f.read(4096) returns data, from a blk0001.dat file. 2nd f.read(4096) returns ''
439 2012-07-24 02:36:10 <jgarzik> switch to os.open/os.read, and code works fine
440 2012-07-24 02:36:14 <luke-jr> BTCHero: clients don't make the files in order all the time
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442 2012-07-24 02:37:37 <wizkid057> ah dang, back to just leeching luke-jr for the last 52 chunks
443 2012-07-24 02:37:38 dbe has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
444 2012-07-24 02:37:42 <luke-jr> XD
445 2012-07-24 02:38:28 <wizkid057> so, blk0001.dat is just all of the blocks, in binary, concatenated
446 2012-07-24 02:38:47 <jrmithdobbs> basically ya
447 2012-07-24 02:39:01 <jgarzik> the first X blocks
448 2012-07-24 02:39:05 <wizkid057> basically as is, pretty much or as in yes
449 2012-07-24 02:39:06 <wizkid057> lol
450 2012-07-24 02:39:07 <jgarzik> blk0002.dat just appeared
451 2012-07-24 02:39:15 <wizkid057> yeah, well
452 2012-07-24 02:39:49 <jrmithdobbs> i'm actually kind of surprised that box did that that quickly, i knew the pipe was big enough but it's a POS
453 2012-07-24 02:39:49 <wizkid057> i was going to write a blockchain compression algo, but, decided against it because i didnt feel like figuring out the file format... but...
454 2012-07-24 02:40:10 <wizkid057> i may reconsider considering that makes it much simpler
455 2012-07-24 02:40:21 <luke-jr> the first 188529 blocks
456 2012-07-24 02:40:52 <wizkid057> nothing but the blocks themselves?
457 2012-07-24 02:41:14 <luke-jr> wizkid057: 4 bytes magic, 4 bytes block size
458 2012-07-24 02:41:17 <luke-jr> then the block data
459 2012-07-24 02:41:32 <jrmithdobbs> wizkid057: yes but any orphaned or reorged blocks stay in the file of any given client forever basically
460 2012-07-24 02:43:29 <wizkid057> luke-jr: for each block?
461 2012-07-24 02:43:34 <luke-jr> yes
462 2012-07-24 02:43:51 <wizkid057> so, 8 bytes, block, 8 bytes, block, repeat
463 2012-07-24 02:44:10 <luke-jr> yep
464 2012-07-24 02:46:19 <luke-jr> https://bitcointalk.org/?topic=94881
465 2012-07-24 02:46:50 <lianj> luke-jr: did you delete orphans?
466 2012-07-24 02:46:59 <luke-jr> lianj: yes, and put the rest in orderâ¦
467 2012-07-24 02:47:11 <lianj> ah, just looked at the link..
468 2012-07-24 02:47:19 <lianj> cool, thanks
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470 2012-07-24 02:49:39 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: it's actually about 300mbit btw, that was just the box that already had a blk001.dat ;p
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473 2012-07-24 02:50:40 <BTCHero> luke-jr: where will this file be accessible by newbies?
474 2012-07-24 02:50:52 <jrmithdobbs> BTCHero: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:59cea00fa98f0819457963858aff2ca4f5f97835&dn=blk0001&tr=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.h33t.com%3A3310%2Fannounce&tr=http%3A%2F%2Fbigtorrent.org%3A2710%2Fannounce&tr=http%3A%2F%2Fexodus.desync.com%3A6969%2Fannounce&tr=http%3A%2F%2Fannounce.torrentsmd.com%3A6969%2Fannounce&tr=http%3A%2F%2Fputo.me%3A6969%2Fannounce
475 2012-07-24 02:51:01 <luke-jr> BTCHero: ?
476 2012-07-24 02:51:09 <BTCHero> I mean where is the link to this file going to be
477 2012-07-24 02:51:19 <luke-jr> [02:41:39] <luke-jr> https://bitcointalk.org/?topic=94881
478 2012-07-24 02:51:23 <jrmithdobbs> ^
479 2012-07-24 02:51:58 <jrmithdobbs> the magnet link might be worth putting on bitcoin.org tbqh
480 2012-07-24 02:52:47 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: you'd need to make it idiot-friendly first <.<
481 2012-07-24 02:52:57 <MC1984> whats that
482 2012-07-24 02:53:13 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: <a href='magnet:?xt=urn:btih:59cea00fa98f0819457963858aff2ca4f5f97835&dn=blk0001&tr=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.h33t.com%3A3310%2Fannounce&tr=http%3A%2F%2Fbigtorrent.org%3A2710%2Fannounce&tr=http%3A%2F%2Fexodus.desync.com%3A6969%2Fannounce&tr=http%3A%2F%2Fannounce.torrentsmd.com%3A6969%2Fannounce&tr=http%3A%2F%2Fputo.me%3A6969%2Fannounce'>BITTORRENT LINK JUST LIKE PIRATE BAY</a>
483 2012-07-24 02:53:28 <jrmithdobbs> pretty sure people know how to use magnet links now
484 2012-07-24 02:53:35 <BTCHero> luke-jr: what isn't idiot friendly about it... i get it and some would say i am an idiot
485 2012-07-24 02:54:15 <luke-jr> BTCHero: it's not safe to use without understanding how PGP works
486 2012-07-24 02:54:31 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: that's the first torrent i've touched in forevers and i get it ;p
487 2012-07-24 02:54:42 dbe has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
488 2012-07-24 02:54:44 <luke-jr> or 0.7 -loadblock
489 2012-07-24 02:54:50 <Joric> BFL announced 40GH rig for $1300
490 2012-07-24 02:54:54 <Joric> ;;bc,calc 40000000
491 2012-07-24 02:54:54 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 40000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 1866391.3050032 , is 2 days, 7 hours, 40 minutes, and 2 seconds
492 2012-07-24 02:55:04 <Joric> 2 days a block, amirite ?
493 2012-07-24 02:55:40 <BTCHero> luke-jr: there i go being an idiot
494 2012-07-24 02:55:54 <luke-jr> Joric: no
495 2012-07-24 02:56:38 <Joric> 2000 days?
496 2012-07-24 02:57:31 <luke-jr> Joric: you're forgetting that everyone else will be getting them too, and theirs will likely be delivered before yours
497 2012-07-24 02:57:32 <MC1984> fuck
498 2012-07-24 02:57:55 <MC1984> the first people to get those rigs are essentially getting them free
499 2012-07-24 02:58:17 <D34TH> luke-jr threw it on my seedbox
500 2012-07-24 02:59:19 <Joric> dae when they're going to ship those
501 2012-07-24 02:59:50 <Joric> *does anybody know
502 2012-07-24 02:59:56 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: turn off superseed so it'll send someone with bandwidth the last 2 mb ;p
503 2012-07-24 02:59:57 <luke-jr> I presume as soon as enough are ready to prevent a 50% attack
504 2012-07-24 03:00:03 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: I did
505 2012-07-24 03:00:15 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: I also tried to prioritize you
506 2012-07-24 03:00:22 <jrmithdobbs> i'm impatient sorry, ha ;p
507 2012-07-24 03:02:02 <Joric> taking those numbers into account no way we'll hit $10 in the near future
508 2012-07-24 03:02:39 <Joric> it'd rather fall back to $2
509 2012-07-24 03:02:50 <lianj> luke-jr: why is everyone at 99%?
510 2012-07-24 03:02:55 <luke-jr> lianj: dunno
511 2012-07-24 03:03:04 <Diablo-D3> !ticker
512 2012-07-24 03:03:05 <gribble> Best bid: 8.54083, Best ask: 8.69123, Bid-ask spread: 0.15040, Last trade: 8.54083, 24 hour volume: 83537, 24 hour low: 8.34, 24 hour high: 9.2
513 2012-07-24 03:03:16 <luke-jr> which file is still incomplete?
514 2012-07-24 03:03:38 <lianj> index
515 2012-07-24 03:03:41 <luke-jr> i c
516 2012-07-24 03:03:44 <MC1984> why did you torrent the blockchain
517 2012-07-24 03:03:47 <lianj> no one has it complete (i guess)
518 2012-07-24 03:03:48 <Joric> Diablo-D3, are you buying those new asics?
519 2012-07-24 03:04:11 <lianj> MC1984: 04:47 < luke-jr> [02:41:39] <luke-jr> https://bitcointalk.org/?topic=94881
520 2012-07-24 03:04:35 <luke-jr> MC1984: because I didn't want 1.4 GB on my webserver
521 2012-07-24 03:04:42 <Joric> whoa pruned index
522 2012-07-24 03:05:14 <MC1984> 150mb index
523 2012-07-24 03:05:18 <Diablo-D3> Joric: no.
524 2012-07-24 03:05:19 <MC1984> pretty nice
525 2012-07-24 03:05:31 <lianj> luke-jr: does your client say someone has it 100% complete?
526 2012-07-24 03:05:36 <luke-jr> lianj: I do.
527 2012-07-24 03:05:39 <Joric> idk why but that magnet link won't work as expected eg on tpb
528 2012-07-24 03:05:39 <jrmithdobbs> it's 100% on the swarm now
529 2012-07-24 03:05:47 <jrmithdobbs> give it a few
530 2012-07-24 03:05:49 <lianj> luke-jr: guess im not connected to you then ;)
531 2012-07-24 03:05:52 <luke-jr> :P
532 2012-07-24 03:06:11 <MC1984> so this is why it goes blk00x.dat
533 2012-07-24 03:06:21 <luke-jr> I see 6 others with 99.95%
534 2012-07-24 03:06:22 <MC1984> makes sense to throw u torrents now
535 2012-07-24 03:06:25 <lianj> jrmithdobbs: right, just this minute. thanks ;)
536 2012-07-24 03:06:42 <luke-jr> they d/c from me when they complete â¹
537 2012-07-24 03:07:05 <BTCHero> the only people who are going to download this are people who want to seed :)
538 2012-07-24 03:07:20 <Joric> Diablo-D3, if no, how DMC works then
539 2012-07-24 03:07:21 <jrmithdobbs> done 2064.2 MB
540 2012-07-24 03:07:31 <luke-jr> lol
541 2012-07-24 03:07:52 <lianj> sweet, me too
542 2012-07-24 03:08:04 <jrmithdobbs> ya all 3 boxes are done here, it's good now ;p
543 2012-07-24 03:08:32 <MC1984> that magnet does not work
544 2012-07-24 03:08:39 <lianj> MC1984: worked fine here
545 2012-07-24 03:08:42 <Joric> told you
546 2012-07-24 03:08:43 <jrmithdobbs> such a magical protocol. amazes me to this day.
547 2012-07-24 03:08:53 <Joric> must be wrong content type or something
548 2012-07-24 03:09:10 <Diablo-D3> Joric: bfl ha sno asics.
549 2012-07-24 03:09:14 <MC1984> clicked it and went to magnet.co.uk
550 2012-07-24 03:09:16 <jrmithdobbs> i dunno, i just did "rtorrent 'that link'"
551 2012-07-24 03:09:17 <MC1984> they sell kitchens :/
552 2012-07-24 03:09:26 <jrmithdobbs> and pasted link in transmission
553 2012-07-24 03:10:18 <jrmithdobbs> you really should have gziped blk0001.dat tho
554 2012-07-24 03:10:57 <lianj> nah
555 2012-07-24 03:10:57 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: then people would delete it to save disk space ;)
556 2012-07-24 03:11:03 <luke-jr> instead of seeding
557 2012-07-24 03:11:11 <jrmithdobbs> fair enough
558 2012-07-24 03:11:14 <Joric> i guess it doesn't help much its not very sparse and data is fairly random
559 2012-07-24 03:11:23 <luke-jr> it's 1.4 GB xz'f
560 2012-07-24 03:11:24 <luke-jr> xz'd*
561 2012-07-24 03:11:49 <Joric> 30%
562 2012-07-24 03:11:51 <MC1984> why is there a http:// in the magnet link
563 2012-07-24 03:11:58 <Joric> didn't know
564 2012-07-24 03:12:02 <luke-jr> but that's 1.4 GB you need to keep around to continue seeding
565 2012-07-24 03:12:23 <luke-jr> as opposed to 2 GB you need to keep around anyway
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567 2012-07-24 03:12:45 <Joric> luke-jr, is it possible to make blockchain downloading as fast as torrent?
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569 2012-07-24 03:13:01 <jrmithdobbs> Joric: no
570 2012-07-24 03:13:07 <Joric> why no
571 2012-07-24 03:13:24 <MC1984> should be <a href="magnet : ?xt.....
572 2012-07-24 03:13:24 * luke-jr ponders a patch to download the torrent, verify it, and install it ;)
573 2012-07-24 03:13:26 <jrmithdobbs> verification of bitcoin blocks is expensive
574 2012-07-24 03:13:32 <jrmithdobbs> verification of torrent hashes is cheap
575 2012-07-24 03:13:40 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: as a chunk, you could verify the SHA256 sum
576 2012-07-24 03:13:49 <Joric> next year it'll probably hit 12 gb it'd take a week
577 2012-07-24 03:14:01 <BTCHero> for real though, how do i get bitcoin-qt to update faster?
578 2012-07-24 03:14:14 <jrmithdobbs> Joric: as an example, the same exact box that just pushed that out at 100Mbit? it takes it about 20 hours for a full blockchain download
579 2012-07-24 03:14:25 <jrmithdobbs> it's a prescott piece of crap
580 2012-07-24 03:14:26 <jrmithdobbs> ha
581 2012-07-24 03:14:41 <Joric> only 20 hours? very fast indeed
582 2012-07-24 03:15:01 <luke-jr> â¦
583 2012-07-24 03:15:08 <jrmithdobbs> Joric: that's with a dedicated known-good -connect= peer, no, it is horrible
584 2012-07-24 03:15:16 <luke-jr> BTCHero: sync on tmpfs
585 2012-07-24 03:15:18 <jrmithdobbs> Joric: it just seeded the whole torrent in like 10 minutes
586 2012-07-24 03:15:55 <jrmithdobbs> Joric: 3 times over
587 2012-07-24 03:16:00 <lianj> jrmithdobbs: yea, but didnt verify anything
588 2012-07-24 03:16:09 <jrmithdobbs> lianj: verified luke's signature
589 2012-07-24 03:16:20 <jrmithdobbs> good enough for me.
590 2012-07-24 03:16:20 <Joric> hire that hows his name brad conen looks like something went wrong
591 2012-07-24 03:16:27 <BTCHero> luke-jr: what about on windows?
592 2012-07-24 03:16:48 <wizkid057> luke-jr: there is open source torrent code, so, that shouldnt be a huge issue to make into a patch
593 2012-07-24 03:16:54 <lianj> well true, for the first 01 chunk it was nice and makes sense. but thats its for some time now
594 2012-07-24 03:17:02 <wizkid057> whether or not it'd be used or not is another story
595 2012-07-24 03:17:06 <luke-jr> BTCHero: install a real OS
596 2012-07-24 03:17:15 <BTCHero> I'm outta here i shouldn't be talking in -dev
597 2012-07-24 03:17:39 <MC1984> luke-jr the magnet link is odd just sayin
598 2012-07-24 03:17:41 <Joric> it works 10 times faster on ramdrive i tried, the real problem is idk supporting legacy code not enough time or something like that
599 2012-07-24 03:17:52 <jrmithdobbs> lianj: i'm going to pass the blk0001.dat through -loadchain or w/e as I'm sure several other people are, but i'm fairly confident luke didn't just send a fake chain seeing as like 90% of it came from *my* already verified blk0001.dat from my node ;p
600 2012-07-24 03:18:11 <jrmithdobbs> lianj: based on his torrent hashes
601 2012-07-24 03:18:30 <jrmithdobbs> this is pretty zero trust tbqh
602 2012-07-24 03:18:43 <lianj> yes, but do you want to load or seed a new 02.dat every week?
603 2012-07-24 03:18:44 <jrmithdobbs> pretty much*
604 2012-07-24 03:18:57 <wizkid057> so, on a fresh install of bitcoin
605 2012-07-24 03:19:09 <wizkid057> how to I get it to not verify the entire thing? :P
606 2012-07-24 03:19:28 <Joric> genjix claimed he was writting games he shouldn't be very lame
607 2012-07-24 03:19:36 <jrmithdobbs> lianj: no, but doing this once a quarter or twice a year is at least a temporary solution to a very hard, hardware limited to some extent, problem ;p
608 2012-07-24 03:19:39 <wizkid057> because it takes ages to just verify the chain
609 2012-07-24 03:19:59 <lianj> jrmithdobbs: right, i like this
610 2012-07-24 03:20:06 <luke-jr> wizkid057: it doesn't verifyâ¦
611 2012-07-24 03:20:08 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: great idea btw.
612 2012-07-24 03:20:14 <lianj> but not seeing the bitcoind become a torrent client ;)
613 2012-07-24 03:20:59 <jrmithdobbs> lianj: honestly, i don't see that out of the realm of possibility
614 2012-07-24 03:21:29 <jrmithdobbs> instead of dht a p2p method for constructing the hash could be pretty easy actually
615 2012-07-24 03:21:36 <Joric> does anybody know how much time verification takes aside from downloading
616 2012-07-24 03:21:39 <jrmithdobbs> on the bitcoin p2p, i mean
617 2012-07-24 03:21:55 <lianj> yea, i dont have a vote anyway..
618 2012-07-24 03:22:27 <jrmithdobbs> lianj: if the clients just agree to keep a published hash every x blocks it kind of fixes initial download if a way to deterministically generate the index is solved
619 2012-07-24 03:23:11 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: better to just eliminate the blockchain history before a point and maintain a "super-block" with a summary of outputs at that point
620 2012-07-24 03:23:15 <jrmithdobbs> because that means multiple parties constructing the torrent hash independently based off of verified data, still zero trust
621 2012-07-24 03:23:16 <wizkid057> hmm... guess it didnt... every other time I tried this it did... heh
622 2012-07-24 03:23:28 <luke-jr> maybe add a bonus subsidy to superblock makers or something
623 2012-07-24 03:23:41 <luke-jr> but that'd upset the economics I guess
624 2012-07-24 03:24:09 <midnightmagic> luke-jr: It doesn't *seem* like that one has saved a lot of room..? maybe 50-100MB or so?
625 2012-07-24 03:24:12 <wizkid057> ;;bc,blocks
626 2012-07-24 03:24:13 <gribble> 190466
627 2012-07-24 03:24:28 <jrmithdobbs> the hashes could automatically exclude orphaned/reorged blocks, since the running client *has* an index, it really comes down to the better indexing code
628 2012-07-24 03:24:55 <wizkid057> luke-jr: i think I can get this data compressed pretty well if I spent a couple hours on it
629 2012-07-24 03:25:10 <luke-jr> midnightmagic: ?
630 2012-07-24 03:25:40 <luke-jr> wizkid057: compressed or pruned? sipa had it down to 80 MB pruned
631 2012-07-24 03:25:43 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: i dunno, i prefer there always being a full ledger that is fully accessible, it's going to get big but it should always be completely verifiable to origin imho
632 2012-07-24 03:25:49 <midnightmagic> luke-jr: was that blk0001/friends torrent download i just grabbed and am seeding the one that you'd pruned and removed blocks and db_dump/load'd?
633 2012-07-24 03:25:51 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: even if this is not useful for most people
634 2012-07-24 03:26:01 <wizkid057> compressed... as in, you put my data in, get your exact blk0001.dat out
635 2012-07-24 03:26:04 <luke-jr> midnightmagic: yes?
636 2012-07-24 03:26:16 <luke-jr> wizkid057: i c
637 2012-07-24 03:26:28 <midnightmagic> luke-jr: how much space did it end up saving you>
638 2012-07-24 03:26:40 <luke-jr> midnightmagic: in theory, something like 36 GB across 19 bitcoin data dirs
639 2012-07-24 03:26:53 <wizkid057> luke-jr: what kind of compression ratio would make it worthwhile?
640 2012-07-24 03:27:01 <luke-jr> since I replaced 2 GB worth of unique blk0001.dat files with hard links to a single one
641 2012-07-24 03:27:05 <luke-jr> wizkid057: shrug
642 2012-07-24 03:27:26 <wizkid057> i can almost guarantee that I could drop it by 50%
643 2012-07-24 03:27:42 <jrmithdobbs> wizkid057: but it has to be usable by running bitcoinds
644 2012-07-24 03:28:00 <wizkid057> jrmithdobbs: i mean for the initial download
645 2012-07-24 03:28:22 <luke-jr> wizkid057: bandwidth is not the bottleneck for the initial download
646 2012-07-24 03:28:31 <jrmithdobbs> not at all
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648 2012-07-24 03:29:02 <wizkid057> if thats the case, then why not just package blk0001.dat/index in a binary release?
649 2012-07-24 03:29:12 <jrmithdobbs> wizkid057: see: torrent
650 2012-07-24 03:29:18 <wizkid057> ...
651 2012-07-24 03:29:36 <jrmithdobbs> that is what was just done
652 2012-07-24 03:29:44 <wizkid057> no, i mean
653 2012-07-24 03:29:48 <wizkid057> a binary release of the client
654 2012-07-24 03:29:48 <luke-jr> wizkid057: current users don't need to download it again
655 2012-07-24 03:29:58 <wizkid057> well, not every release
656 2012-07-24 03:30:12 <jrmithdobbs> wizkid057: exactly, that is what was just done
657 2012-07-24 03:30:20 <wizkid057> Bitcoin Client (download), Bitcoin Client with 96% of the blockchain (download)
658 2012-07-24 03:30:22 <jrmithdobbs> this is a point in time snapshot of the data
659 2012-07-24 03:30:36 <wizkid057> jrmithdobbs: you're missing my point... heh
660 2012-07-24 03:30:36 <midnightmagic> luke-jr: why does it need to be a hardlink?
661 2012-07-24 03:30:49 <jrmithdobbs> wizkid057: we just got it seeded like 30 minutes ago, link will be right next to client eventually i'm sure.
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663 2012-07-24 03:30:57 <luke-jr> midnightmagic: to save spaceâ¦
664 2012-07-24 03:31:04 <midnightmagic> luke-jr: no, why not a softlink?
665 2012-07-24 03:31:15 <luke-jr> wizkid057: I think you mean add a nice Windows installer? :p
666 2012-07-24 03:31:25 <luke-jr> midnightmagic: didn't test
667 2012-07-24 03:31:27 <wizkid057> luke-jr: thats part of it, sure
668 2012-07-24 03:31:51 <luke-jr> wizkid057: because users must verify the PGP signature
669 2012-07-24 03:32:08 <midnightmagic> luke-jr: file access is done by file lock; if that is the case, then multiple processes will work fine on softlink as well. as far as I can tell there are no ops that would break a softlink done by bitcoind.
670 2012-07-24 03:32:22 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: not really at this point tbqh
671 2012-07-24 03:32:29 * wizkid057 shrugs
672 2012-07-24 03:32:41 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: if they use the indexâ¦
673 2012-07-24 03:32:57 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: once we have multiple party confirmation of the index ... not really
674 2012-07-24 03:33:13 <wizkid057> so, what you're saying is that we need a multithreaded optimized -loadblock :P
675 2012-07-24 03:33:23 <midnightmagic> luke-jr: why do you think the index can't also be linked..?
676 2012-07-24 03:33:40 <jrmithdobbs> no i'm saying right this second we just need to wait for gmaxwell/phantom/jgarzik to wake up and look at it, lol
677 2012-07-24 03:33:44 <jrmithdobbs> etc
678 2012-07-24 03:33:54 <wizkid057> midnightmagic: i'd assume because the index is actually altered by the running client, where blk0001.dat never will be again
679 2012-07-24 03:34:33 <jrmithdobbs> right
680 2012-07-24 03:35:08 <jrmithdobbs> the blk0001.dat is already pretty much verified, i strongly dislike luke-jr, if you're not familiar, and mine matched his, so that's verified afaic
681 2012-07-24 03:35:09 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: there is no way to confirm the index
682 2012-07-24 03:35:11 <jrmithdobbs> ha
683 2012-07-24 03:35:14 <luke-jr> even I can't confirm the index
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685 2012-07-24 03:35:19 <luke-jr> I just know I made it :p
686 2012-07-24 03:36:06 <wizkid057> luke-jr: can just recreate the index by not using it and using loadblock, though, cant you?
687 2012-07-24 03:36:18 <midnightmagic> wizkid057: sure can.
688 2012-07-24 03:36:25 <jrmithdobbs> wizkid057: correct
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690 2012-07-24 03:36:40 <wizkid057> at the expense of 20 hours of CPU time
691 2012-07-24 03:36:40 <wizkid057> lol
692 2012-07-24 03:37:00 <jrmithdobbs> wizkid057: nah, much faster on better hardware with ramdisks ;p
693 2012-07-24 03:37:04 <galambo__> i guess the better question to ask is who is luke-jr and how are you sure he didn't edit the block chain ;)
694 2012-07-24 03:37:06 <jgarzik> jrmithdobbs: no need for any holy penguin pee. -checkblocks=0 -checklevel=6 will verify entire db and index
695 2012-07-24 03:37:43 <jgarzik> jrmithdobbs: decrease -checklevel to increase risk and decrease wall clock time spent verifying
696 2012-07-24 03:37:47 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: i meant for general user acceptance, obviously the data is verifiable, that's the whole point
697 2012-07-24 03:38:08 <midnightmagic> luke-jr: yeah, who the hell are you?!
698 2012-07-24 03:38:10 <midnightmagic> :-)
699 2012-07-24 03:38:28 <lianj> if one block takes at avg 0.4 seconds then its 20 hours ^^
700 2012-07-24 03:38:33 <luke-jr> wizkid057: the index made is differnet
701 2012-07-24 03:38:48 <midnightmagic> I can reload the entire chain via loadblock in just a few hours and I'm not running a ramdisk
702 2012-07-24 03:38:58 <wizkid057> luke-jr: how so?
703 2012-07-24 03:39:04 <wizkid057> shouldnt the pointers be the same?
704 2012-07-24 03:39:04 <luke-jr> wizkid057: no idea
705 2012-07-24 03:39:15 <luke-jr> I'd think
706 2012-07-24 03:39:32 <jrmithdobbs> midnightmagic: ya the 20 hour number is taken out of context, it's a p4 presscot writing to an aes volume and doing verification ... it was used to illustrate why bittorrent was faster, disregard
707 2012-07-24 03:39:32 <luke-jr> also, you need to use BlueMatt's prune branch and add a checkpoint on the last block
708 2012-07-24 03:39:49 <wizkid057> why?
709 2012-07-24 03:40:00 <luke-jr> wizkid057: because that's what I did to make it 150 MB :P
710 2012-07-24 03:40:13 <lianj> wizkid057: if you want a pruned index later
711 2012-07-24 03:40:35 * luke-jr wonders if the db4.8_dump output is deterministic
712 2012-07-24 03:40:43 <wizkid057> but if I used an offline machine and loaded your blk0001.dat with no index and let it referify, I wouldnt end up with a decent blkindex.dat?
713 2012-07-24 03:41:01 <jgarzik> wizkid057: yes
714 2012-07-24 03:41:02 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: so long as it comes from the same source db files i believe
715 2012-07-24 03:41:14 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: and they were closed properly
716 2012-07-24 03:41:19 <luke-jr> wizkid057: decent, yes; but not identical
717 2012-07-24 03:41:29 <wizkid057> that baffles me
718 2012-07-24 03:41:44 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: and had the exact same txns in the exact same order by the exact same caller before the dump
719 2012-07-24 03:42:02 <wizkid057> i guess my question is, why would you choose to use the third party "prune" branch to make the index you're distributing rather than a stock bitcoind
720 2012-07-24 03:42:14 <wizkid057> whats the advantage?
721 2012-07-24 03:42:42 <midnightmagic> jrmithdobbs: oh okay..
722 2012-07-24 03:42:49 <wizkid057> wait... the index references transactions
723 2012-07-24 03:42:50 <jgarzik> just need to double-check something... the total chain work is the sum of each block's target, yes? where target = bignum(nbits) ?
724 2012-07-24 03:42:59 <luke-jr> wizkid057: much smaller
725 2012-07-24 03:43:06 <wizkid057> so you're talking about pruning inputs
726 2012-07-24 03:43:11 <luke-jr> outputs
727 2012-07-24 03:43:13 <jgarzik> i.e. target[block 0] + target[block 1] + ...
728 2012-07-24 03:43:15 <luke-jr> don't care about inputs
729 2012-07-24 03:43:19 <luke-jr> jgarzik: sorry, not sure
730 2012-07-24 03:43:21 <wizkid057> well, whatever
731 2012-07-24 03:43:21 <wizkid057> yeah
732 2012-07-24 03:43:22 <wizkid057> lol
733 2012-07-24 03:43:32 <jrmithdobbs> wizkid057: because: $ du -hcs /home/bitcoin/blkindex.dat
734 2012-07-24 03:43:33 <jrmithdobbs> 1.2G /home/bitcoin/blkindex.dat
735 2012-07-24 03:43:44 <wizkid057> hmm... so, that could technically screw with getrawtransaction and such
736 2012-07-24 03:43:53 <jgarzik> gmaxwell: ^ (re 'target' and summing)
737 2012-07-24 03:43:56 <luke-jr> wizkid057: and my goal wasn't to distribute it, but to use it myself; distributing it is just an afterthought so others don't need to repeat the process
738 2012-07-24 03:44:05 <wizkid057> since it wouldnt reference outputs further down the tree
739 2012-07-24 03:44:14 <luke-jr> wizkid057: I wonder
740 2012-07-24 03:45:24 <luke-jr> wizkid057: yep, my bitcoind doesn't know about 96ad7485e0970f06170a40fa57ddeeb00a2693a3f2ab1b30a5954e0d02a94b7a
741 2012-07-24 03:45:39 <jrmithdobbs> jgarzik: yes
742 2012-07-24 03:46:03 <wizkid057> error: {"code":-5,"message":"No information available about transaction"}
743 2012-07-24 03:46:04 <jgarzik> jrmithdobbs: thanks
744 2012-07-24 03:46:06 <wizkid057> yeah, sure does
745 2012-07-24 03:46:07 <wizkid057> heh
746 2012-07-24 03:46:21 <wizkid057> i wonder if that should be noted somewhere :P
747 2012-07-24 03:47:35 <wizkid057> luke-jr: probably best to use a full index on the pool bitcoind then?
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749 2012-07-24 03:49:06 <luke-jr> wizkid057: yes, I didn't deploy to Eligius
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752 2012-07-24 03:54:56 <midnightmagic> Why would bitcoind getrawtransaction 96ad7485e0970f06170a40fa57ddeeb00a2693a3f2ab1b30a5954e0d02a94b7a <<--- works, but gettransaction does not?
753 2012-07-24 03:55:27 <wizkid057> midnightmagic: i think gettransaction was designed for wallet transactions
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755 2012-07-24 03:55:44 <midnightmagic> ah
756 2012-07-24 03:56:45 <wizkid057> ;;bc,blocks
757 2012-07-24 03:56:45 <gribble> 190471
758 2012-07-24 03:56:54 <wizkid057> almost caught up... ~500 to go
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764 2012-07-24 04:12:20 <midnightmagic> luke-jr: Hey did you ever find out what the hell was up with that theft transaction you thought I was involved with?
765 2012-07-24 04:15:20 <luke-jr> midnightmagic: I forget what you're even talking about ^^;;
766 2012-07-24 04:16:55 <midnightmagic> remember, I pasted to one of the #bitcoin channels the tx but I forgot where I saw it, and the only google hit was a log of me pasting it into channel, etc etc
767 2012-07-24 04:20:03 <wizkid057> stealing is bad, m'kay?
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771 2012-07-24 04:22:50 <Diablo-D3> lol
772 2012-07-24 04:23:16 <D34TH> i might have just fixed windows building
773 2012-07-24 04:23:22 <D34TH> on windows
774 2012-07-24 04:24:10 <galambo__> you mean you wrote good makefiles?
775 2012-07-24 04:24:26 <D34TH> nope
776 2012-07-24 04:24:33 <D34TH> i changed the env
777 2012-07-24 04:24:37 <galambo__> you need to rearrange the order of the libraries
778 2012-07-24 04:24:48 <galambo__> and some other things
779 2012-07-24 04:24:51 <D34TH> i needed to find out why it wasnt reading the correct libs
780 2012-07-24 04:24:58 <D34TH> it kept forcing 1.43
781 2012-07-24 04:25:17 <D34TH> and a borked libcrypto
782 2012-07-24 04:25:41 <galambo__> diapolo has good posts on how to get it going
783 2012-07-24 04:25:49 <D34TH> links?
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787 2012-07-24 04:29:38 <galambo__> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1401
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793 2012-07-24 04:35:12 <D34TH> galambo__, those patches are already applied
794 2012-07-24 04:35:33 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: Verifying last 188528 blocks at level 6 block index 887226ms
795 2012-07-24 04:35:45 <D34TH> im more or less now on openssl
796 2012-07-24 04:36:06 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: completely unpatched off HEAD with your index
797 2012-07-24 04:36:22 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: you can remove most of your disclaimers re signatures i think
798 2012-07-24 04:36:51 <luke-jr> I don't think.
799 2012-07-24 04:37:31 <wizkid057> well, if the pruning code screwed up somehow and missed an output, that could be bad
800 2012-07-24 04:37:42 <jrmithdobbs> wizkid057: it wouldn't verify
801 2012-07-24 04:38:10 <wizkid057> jrmithdobbs: well, you're not verifying the outputs that arent there...
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803 2012-07-24 04:38:38 <wizkid057> because i know damn well you didnt just verify the entire chain in 15 minutes
804 2012-07-24 04:38:39 <wizkid057> lol
805 2012-07-24 04:39:06 <D34TH> luke-jr: thoughts on getting native windows builds working again?
806 2012-07-24 04:39:30 <luke-jr> D34TH: ?
807 2012-07-24 04:39:38 <luke-jr> jrmithdobbs: sure?
808 2012-07-24 04:39:46 <D34TH> im damn close just openssl is hassling me now, i got boost working
809 2012-07-24 04:39:46 <jrmithdobbs> wizkid057: everything in the index is correct
810 2012-07-24 04:39:57 <D34TH> it was quite tricky that boost
811 2012-07-24 04:40:03 <wizkid057> jrmithdobbs: you cant know that i dont think
812 2012-07-24 04:40:47 <jrmithdobbs> wizkid057: yes, I can know that everything in it is correct, I'll have to think on whether i know if everything is in it
813 2012-07-24 04:40:50 <jrmithdobbs> if that makes sense
814 2012-07-24 04:41:15 <wizkid057> well, i suppose everything that IS in it can be correct
815 2012-07-24 04:41:24 <wizkid057> but you cant be sure everything is in it
816 2012-07-24 04:41:33 <jrmithdobbs> i'm not so sure of that
817 2012-07-24 04:41:50 <jrmithdobbs> like I said, i'll have to think about that.
818 2012-07-24 04:42:13 <jrmithdobbs> wizkid057: just be quiet and let me be nice to luke-jr for once, damn ;p
819 2012-07-24 04:42:17 <jrmithdobbs> heh
820 2012-07-24 04:42:31 <wizkid057> haha
821 2012-07-24 04:43:16 <wizkid057> i agree that it is highly likely that everything needed for new transactions is there, though
822 2012-07-24 04:43:22 <wizkid057> for a new bitcoin user
823 2012-07-24 04:43:35 <galambo__> D34TH: could it be the OpenSSL ticket 2377
824 2012-07-24 04:43:53 <galambo__> did you untar openssl with tar xfz
825 2012-07-24 04:43:56 <D34TH> galambo__, looks like ws2_32
826 2012-07-24 04:44:04 <D34TH> got openssl native built now
827 2012-07-24 04:44:17 <wizkid057> wow... craziness...
828 2012-07-24 04:44:33 <galambo__> you have to reorder the libraries like diapolo says
829 2012-07-24 04:44:40 <wizkid057> luke-jr: my eloipool+bitcoind use virtually no CPU with that 1dice drop patch
830 2012-07-24 04:44:47 <luke-jr> :D
831 2012-07-24 04:45:10 <wizkid057> and i'm hashing a 48 tx merkletree... instead of 600
832 2012-07-24 04:45:19 <wizkid057> :D
833 2012-07-24 04:45:23 <D34TH> luke-jr id like to discuss something about the qt-creator
834 2012-07-24 04:45:44 <D34TH> why does it require the mingw32 folder instead of the normal libs forlder
835 2012-07-24 04:45:59 <luke-jr> D34TH: I know nothing about Windows or Qt Creator etc
836 2012-07-24 04:46:03 <galambo__> qt creator uses its own deployment of gcc
837 2012-07-24 04:46:04 <D34TH> darn
838 2012-07-24 04:46:10 <galambo__> and libraries
839 2012-07-24 04:46:17 <D34TH> galambo__, it has 2 sets of libs for gcc
840 2012-07-24 04:46:18 <galambo__> you have to compile all your libraries with that version of gcc
841 2012-07-24 04:46:32 <wizkid057> <3 gcc
842 2012-07-24 04:46:42 <galambo__> otherwise nothing will work
843 2012-07-24 04:46:48 <galambo__> it is a pain in the ass
844 2012-07-24 04:46:58 <wizkid057> yeah, namecoind is the top CPU user now
845 2012-07-24 04:47:08 <galambo__> i hope you like setting environmental variables
846 2012-07-24 04:47:15 <wizkid057> speaking of which, i wonder if that needs updating... i think that client is like, 6 months old
847 2012-07-24 04:48:59 <galambo__> It should be in the folder QtSDK\mingw\bin
848 2012-07-24 04:49:13 <galambo__> mingw32-gcc.exe - ha
849 2012-07-24 04:50:48 <D34TH> yea but there are two lib folders
850 2012-07-24 04:51:06 <D34TH> QtSDK/mingw/libs & QtSDK/mingw/mingw32/libs
851 2012-07-24 04:51:26 <D34TH> and im having trouble with w2_32
852 2012-07-24 04:51:27 <D34TH> D:
853 2012-07-24 04:51:41 <galambo__> you need to change the order of the libraries in your pro file
854 2012-07-24 04:51:52 <galambo__> i promise
855 2012-07-24 04:51:59 <D34TH> what do i do
856 2012-07-24 04:52:07 <galambo__> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1401
857 2012-07-24 04:52:46 <galambo__> scroll down to diapolos comment
858 2012-07-24 04:53:16 <galambo__> you need to move -lws2_32 so that it happens after -lssl and -lcrypto
859 2012-07-24 04:53:36 <galambo__> make all your libs look like his basically
860 2012-07-24 04:54:01 <D34TH> god this is such a pain
861 2012-07-24 04:54:14 <galambo__> yeah
862 2012-07-24 04:54:23 <D34TH> now i need my qt dlls
863 2012-07-24 04:54:23 <D34TH> lol
864 2012-07-24 04:54:30 <D34TH> it compiled though
865 2012-07-24 04:54:34 <galambo__> theres a dll somewhere
866 2012-07-24 04:54:35 <D34TH> <3
867 2012-07-24 04:54:38 <galambo__> i mean bat file
868 2012-07-24 04:54:49 <luke-jr> D34TH: yes, Windows is pain.
869 2012-07-24 04:55:05 <D34TH> cant we commit those
870 2012-07-24 04:55:08 <D34TH> so it fixes?
871 2012-07-24 04:55:10 <luke-jr> â¦
872 2012-07-24 04:55:14 <D34TH> or does that break other os
873 2012-07-24 04:55:59 <luke-jr> D34TH: first you need to fix it
874 2012-07-24 04:56:15 <galambo__> they build windows with gitian scripts so they dont care
875 2012-07-24 04:56:27 <galambo__> E:\QtSDK\Desktop\Qt\4.8.1\mingw\bin\qtenv2.bat
876 2012-07-24 04:56:38 <galambo__> i think that will fix your qt dlls problem
877 2012-07-24 04:57:19 <galambo__> and i dont mean "Dont care" in a mean way. i mean they dont really have any reason to fix it because no one builds on windows
878 2012-07-24 04:57:34 <D34TH> galambo__, it compiled i just need the dlls for the exe
879 2012-07-24 04:57:48 <galambo__> yeah the bat file will add it to your path
880 2012-07-24 04:58:13 <D34TH> its crashing but not telling me anything
881 2012-07-24 04:58:43 <galambo__> sounds like you need to rebuild all your libraries with mingw32-gcc :P
882 2012-07-24 04:59:13 <D34TH> looks like i have a bad libdb possibly
883 2012-07-24 04:59:13 <galambo__> which is gcc-4.4.0
884 2012-07-24 04:59:31 <D34TH> 4.7
885 2012-07-24 04:59:36 <galambo__> i think the msys gcc that comes with mingw is like 4.7
886 2012-07-24 05:00:28 <galambo__> no see
887 2012-07-24 05:00:32 <galambo__> thats what i was trying to tell you
888 2012-07-24 05:00:42 <galambo__> the version of gcc that qt creator uses is 4.4.0
889 2012-07-24 05:01:01 <D34TH> it makes me use 4.7
890 2012-07-24 05:01:17 <galambo__> yes thats what your configure scripts will pick. good luck.
891 2012-07-24 05:01:41 <D34TH> no, qt-creator installed 4.7
892 2012-07-24 05:02:25 <galambo__> nope
893 2012-07-24 05:02:28 <galambo__> it did not
894 2012-07-24 05:03:31 <luke-jr> pretty sure GCC 4.4 and 4.7 are ABI-compatible btw
895 2012-07-24 05:03:44 <jrmithdobbs> should be
896 2012-07-24 05:03:58 <jrmithdobbs> i build with clang because it takes way too damned long with gcc
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898 2012-07-24 05:04:18 <D34TH> i want tcc
899 2012-07-24 05:04:23 <D34TH> but that is too much of a pain
900 2012-07-24 05:04:27 <galambo__> it tries to call some functions that arent in 4.7.0
901 2012-07-24 05:05:21 <galambo__> to put it another way -- it doesnt work -- as hes experiencing now
902 2012-07-24 05:05:23 <galambo__> Qt libraries 4.8.2 for Windows (minGW 4.4, 318 MB)
903 2012-07-24 05:05:33 <galambo__> ^^ see thats what you downloaded ^^
904 2012-07-24 05:05:37 <galambo__> gcc 4.4.0
905 2012-07-24 05:05:58 <D34TH> it gave me 4.7
906 2012-07-24 05:05:59 <D34TH> dafuq
907 2012-07-24 05:06:03 <D34TH> with 4.8.1
908 2012-07-24 05:06:13 <D34TH> updater time qq
909 2012-07-24 05:06:19 <galambo__> thats your mingw
910 2012-07-24 05:06:26 <galambo__> that you probably already have installed
911 2012-07-24 05:06:34 <D34TH> whys it have it in the qtsdk directory
912 2012-07-24 05:07:10 <galambo__> i have to go to sleep
913 2012-07-24 05:07:14 <galambo__> see you
914 2012-07-24 05:07:18 <D34TH> <3
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916 2012-07-24 05:09:20 <galambo__> i should say it tries to link some windows functions that dont work the same way between gcc versions. its been a while so i've forgotten the exact problem.
917 2012-07-24 05:10:26 <galambo__> i recommend going the virtualbox + gitian route but that makes it a bit hard to develop vs being able to build in qt-creator
918 2012-07-24 05:10:43 <D34TH> i can never get gitian working
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936 2012-07-24 06:18:33 <c4pt-otc> does anyone have a windows box setup to compile bitcoin type clients with qt ?
937 2012-07-24 06:19:04 <sjruckle> hi y'all. is anyone awake that can help me with my bitcoin=qt installation? I'm having some blockchain issues :/
938 2012-07-24 06:20:58 <sjruckle> Specifically, I'm trying to download the lastest from http://eu1.bitcoincharts.com/blockchain/ and use it, but I keep getting a blkindex.dat error.
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940 2012-07-24 06:23:30 <sjruckle> "Error loading blkindex.dat" that is...
941 2012-07-24 06:24:11 <luke-jr> sjruckle: don't use that :p
942 2012-07-24 06:24:34 <luke-jr> if you must download the blockchain that way, use the torrent: http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/bitcoin/files/blk0001/blk0001.torrent
943 2012-07-24 06:24:45 <sjruckle> you mean just use the blk0001.dat that's included?
944 2012-07-24 06:24:57 <luke-jr> the best way is to let Bitcoin-Qt make it for you
945 2012-07-24 06:25:04 <luke-jr> (which takes hours)
946 2012-07-24 06:25:09 <sjruckle> It'll take days.
947 2012-07-24 06:26:21 <luke-jr> only if your PC is slow or internet connection sucks (in which case, no direct download or torrent can help)
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949 2012-07-24 06:28:08 <MC1984> why cant it just make its own non huge block index
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952 2012-07-24 06:31:02 <sjruckle> *shrugs*
953 2012-07-24 06:31:39 <MC1984> these chain torrents are nice and all but not exactly zero trust
954 2012-07-24 06:33:41 <Varan> can you not make the client re validate the entire chain?
955 2012-07-24 06:34:32 <luke-jr> Varan: 0.7 can
956 2012-07-24 06:35:08 <sjruckle> I'd love to, but my google-fu is weak today. If I have the entire blk0001.dat, isn't that half the battle?
957 2012-07-24 06:35:11 <Varan> ah oke ... this was not implemented before this version?
958 2012-07-24 06:35:35 <luke-jr> sjruckle: the right way to get it is to let Bitcoin-Qt do it
959 2012-07-24 06:35:45 <luke-jr> sjruckle: if you skip that, you create a security risk in your client
960 2012-07-24 06:35:55 <luke-jr> Varan: right
961 2012-07-24 06:36:32 <MC1984> sjruckle bandwidth is not the bottlneck
962 2012-07-24 06:38:10 <sjruckle> I understand that, but the amount of time I can leave this machine connected to the internet is limited, so it would make sense to be able to download as much data as possible, then have the data crunching come later (while offline)
963 2012-07-24 06:38:56 <luke-jr> interesting
964 2012-07-24 06:39:18 <Varan> I just found this page: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Talk:BIP_0015 .. the idea under My concept seems very interesting ... can this can be done right now... or are there reasons why this is a really bad idea?
965 2012-07-24 06:39:26 <MC1984> makes sense
966 2012-07-24 06:39:31 <luke-jr> sjruckle: I would suggest writing up a bug report describing that use case: http://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/new
967 2012-07-24 06:40:19 <MC1984> coulnt bitcoin d/l the chain as fast as possible and cache it while it verifies
968 2012-07-24 06:40:22 <luke-jr> sjruckle: use the torrent
969 2012-07-24 06:40:41 <luke-jr> MC1984: it'd be open to DoS attacks probably, needs thought
970 2012-07-24 06:40:53 <sjruckle> I'm currently downloading the chain from 2012-07-20. If this one fails like the 2012-07-24 chain then I'll do the bug report.
971 2012-07-24 06:41:55 <sjruckle> Thanks for your guys' help btw.
972 2012-07-24 06:43:47 <Varan> You could only verify the header ... if it checks out cache it and download the next ... verify the transactions later...
973 2012-07-24 06:44:21 <MC1984> sounds better
974 2012-07-24 06:44:27 <Varan> Its hard to do a DoS then because the headers are hard to fake
975 2012-07-24 06:44:49 <Varan> and i guess you can check those as fast as you download them
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978 2012-07-24 06:58:37 <D34TH> luke-jr i somehow magic'ed it into segfaulting on winblows
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1001 2012-07-24 07:31:50 <D34TH> bluematt: you there?
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1005 2012-07-24 07:48:35 <sjruckle> luke-jr: I downloaded your torrent, placed the blk0001.dat, the extracted blkindex.dat, and my wallet.dat into the otherwise empty data directory and booted bitcoin-qt without any blkindex errors. (This is version 0.6.3)
1006 2012-07-24 07:48:37 <D34TH> hey luke-jr im having linux compiling issues are you there?
1007 2012-07-24 07:50:02 <luke-jr> D34TH: about to go to bedâ¦
1008 2012-07-24 07:50:12 <luke-jr> be quick
1009 2012-07-24 07:50:19 <sjruckle> So thanks again.
1010 2012-07-24 07:50:23 <luke-jr> sjruckle: np
1011 2012-07-24 07:50:28 <D34TH> i686-w64-mingw32-g++: Command not found
1012 2012-07-24 07:50:35 <D34TH> no matter what i do
1013 2012-07-24 07:50:40 <D34TH> i installed the package
1014 2012-07-24 07:50:43 <D34TH> its bugged
1015 2012-07-24 07:50:53 <luke-jr> oh, you're trying to compile for Windows?
1016 2012-07-24 07:50:58 <D34TH> yea
1017 2012-07-24 07:51:02 <luke-jr> g'luck
1018 2012-07-24 07:51:07 <D34TH> i broke down
1019 2012-07-24 07:51:08 <luke-jr> I don't think anyone has *ever* built a Win64 binary
1020 2012-07-24 07:51:25 <luke-jr> I build all my Windows binaries with gitian
1021 2012-07-24 07:51:42 <D34TH> and how does gitian build
1022 2012-07-24 07:51:48 <luke-jr> Ubuntu + magic
1023 2012-07-24 07:51:51 <D34TH> because the pacakge gcc-mingw-w64 is screwed up
1024 2012-07-24 07:52:03 <luke-jr> it makes Win*32* binaries
1025 2012-07-24 07:52:26 <D34TH> qmake wont let me make 32 bit bins
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1037 2012-07-24 08:31:41 <coingenuity> hmmmmmm
1038 2012-07-24 08:31:45 <coingenuity> luke-jr: question
1039 2012-07-24 08:31:53 <D34TH> he is sleeping
1040 2012-07-24 08:32:26 <coingenuity> undefined reference to `boost::system::system_category()' <<< defined BOOST_LIB_PATH and BOOST_INCLUDE_PATH, all the shared objects and linkages required are there, still can't get bitcoind to compile X___________X
1041 2012-07-24 08:32:32 <coingenuity> anyone have any ideas?
1042 2012-07-24 08:32:49 <D34TH> its not finding it
1043 2012-07-24 08:32:52 <D34TH> ?
1044 2012-07-24 08:33:04 <coingenuity> appearantly not :/
1045 2012-07-24 08:37:04 <coingenuity> despite specifying in the makefile ld seems to be ignoring my input
1046 2012-07-24 08:39:48 <D34TH> show me your makefile?
1047 2012-07-24 08:44:54 <coingenuity> D34TH: it's just makefile.unix with BOOST_LIB_PATH = /home/user/boost/boost_1_50_0/bin.v2/libs and BOOST_INCLUDE_PATH = = /home/user/boost/boost_1_50_0/boost
1048 2012-07-24 08:45:02 <[Tycho]> Can someone give me a link to the github patch "block height in the coinbase" ?
1049 2012-07-24 08:45:21 <D34TH> coingenuity, remove /boost
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1051 2012-07-24 08:45:42 <coingenuity> that's the correct path
1052 2012-07-24 08:46:02 <D34TH> try it
1053 2012-07-24 08:46:17 <coingenuity> find / -name 'error_code.hpp' /home/user/boost/boost_1_50_0/boost/system/error_code.hpp
1054 2012-07-24 08:46:24 <coingenuity> kk, ill try it
1055 2012-07-24 08:46:52 <coingenuity> no dice
1056 2012-07-24 08:51:12 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: glondu opened pull request 1628 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1628>
1057 2012-07-24 08:52:36 <D34TH> i tried
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1063 2012-07-24 09:12:24 <t7> why do people put signitures on the same server as the download links...
1064 2012-07-24 09:12:34 <t7> signatures*
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1066 2012-07-24 09:13:16 <vegard> does it matter? as long as their private key remains private...
1067 2012-07-24 09:13:59 <D34TH> vegard, i think he is getting at the point if one file can go, why not them all
1068 2012-07-24 09:14:10 <t7> yeah but it doesnt say who its signed by
1069 2012-07-24 09:14:15 <t7> https://www.torproject.org/dist/torbrowser/tor-browser-2.2.37-1_en-US.exe.asc
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1071 2012-07-24 09:15:31 <vegard> it does
1072 2012-07-24 09:15:39 <vegard> gpg: Signature made Tue 12 Jun 2012 04:49:58 AM CEST using RSA key ID 63FEE659
1073 2012-07-24 09:16:29 <vegard> gpg: key 63FEE659: public key "Erinn Clark <erinn@torproject.org>" imported
1074 2012-07-24 09:17:16 <t7> ok im a wally :)
1075 2012-07-24 09:17:26 <t7> i thought it was just a hash or something
1076 2012-07-24 09:17:51 <vegard> now the question is just whether you trust that this key genuinely belongs to Erinn Clark
1077 2012-07-24 09:18:04 <vegard> and whether you trust Erinn Clark, of course.
1078 2012-07-24 09:18:22 <t7> il skim the 150k lines of source
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1080 2012-07-24 09:18:42 <vegard> ;-)
1081 2012-07-24 09:18:45 <vegard> that's the problem, isn't it.
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1095 2012-07-24 09:45:26 <t7> how do i do web of trust stuff
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1098 2012-07-24 09:45:36 <t7> is there a good tutorial for this ?
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1102 2012-07-24 09:47:09 <t7> wrong channel i guess
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1126 2012-07-24 10:39:54 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: sjuxax opened issue 1629 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1629>
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1164 2012-07-24 12:38:16 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: that blkindex.dat balloons to a good 240ish MB after a -cheklevel=6 start and catching up, but as far as I can tell nothing got missed or miss-pruned
1165 2012-07-24 12:38:54 <jrmithdobbs> luke-jr: just started a -detachdb instance to take a snapshot and poke at the index more thoroughly
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1193 2012-07-24 13:58:11 <t7> Im thinking of adding event hooks to bitcoin, kinda like git. So actions can be performed when receiving a transaction or a new block etc
1194 2012-07-24 13:58:15 <t7> good idea?
1195 2012-07-24 13:59:15 <gavinandresen> t7: it already has -blocknotify
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1197 2012-07-24 13:59:31 <gavinandresen> ... to run a command when there's a new best-block
1198 2012-07-24 13:59:59 <gavinandresen> t7: jgarzik and BlueMatt were working on bloom filters, to notify you when transactions of interest are received
1199 2012-07-24 14:00:20 <gavinandresen> So yeah, good idea...
1200 2012-07-24 14:00:27 <t7> oh wow didnt see this
1201 2012-07-24 14:01:22 <t7> does that load from setting too (GetArg) ?
1202 2012-07-24 14:01:28 <gavinandresen> yes
1203 2012-07-24 14:01:37 <gavinandresen> all command-line args can be put in the bitcoin.conf file
1204 2012-07-24 14:02:21 <eian> Is there a site tha estimates the size of relaying nodes?
1205 2012-07-24 14:02:29 <jgarzik> size?
1206 2012-07-24 14:02:35 <gavinandresen> eian: you mean how many there are?
1207 2012-07-24 14:02:38 <eian> yeah
1208 2012-07-24 14:02:44 <eian> how many
1209 2012-07-24 14:02:51 <gavinandresen> yes, there is.
1210 2012-07-24 14:02:53 <gavinandresen> :)
1211 2012-07-24 14:02:59 <eian> thanks :P
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1213 2012-07-24 14:03:07 <eian> Could you give me a URL?
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1215 2012-07-24 14:03:20 <gavinandresen> http://bitcoinstatus.rowit.co.uk/
1216 2012-07-24 14:03:36 <gavinandresen> I think there was some discussion that they might not be accurate, though
1217 2012-07-24 14:04:09 <eian> I'm collecting my own data and I'm only seeing between 2k to 3k nodes that accept connections inbound
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1219 2012-07-24 14:04:38 <gavinandresen> that's the right order of magnitude, I think
1220 2012-07-24 14:04:51 <gavinandresen> there are a lot of outgoing-only nodes behind firewalls
1221 2012-07-24 14:04:51 <eian> let me rephrase that, only ~2k are actually responsive
1222 2012-07-24 14:04:56 <jrmithdobbs> i'd expect closer to 4-5 but ya, right ballpark
1223 2012-07-24 14:05:20 <drizztbsd> gavinandresen: KBytes Transmitted Over Network broken?
1224 2012-07-24 14:05:47 <eian> for some reason, I am able to connect to nodes that never send me anything at all
1225 2012-07-24 14:06:12 <eian> and others that send me messages, and then suddenly stop (although the socket remains open for hours)
1226 2012-07-24 14:06:26 <gavinandresen> well, anybody else who has written a bitcoin-network-spider tool would probably behave that way....
1227 2012-07-24 14:07:15 <gavinandresen> e.g. I know Dan Kaminsky wrote a tool that tries to connect to every node (and, I assume, accept connections) to de-anonymize IP addresses of new transactions.
1228 2012-07-24 14:07:31 <eian> gavin, that was my motivation
1229 2012-07-24 14:08:22 <eian> gavin, we are storing information about every message relayed by every node that accepts inbound connections
1230 2012-07-24 14:08:35 <eian> the data set grows by about 5 to 10 gb a day
1231 2012-07-24 14:08:42 <sturles> Will it work? I expect my client sends to a random node, wait a little bit, send it to a new random node, etc.
1232 2012-07-24 14:09:37 <gavinandresen> eian: neat. I assume you have a research project that will then mine all that data to find interesting trends/etc ?
1233 2012-07-24 14:09:43 <eian> gavin, yeah
1234 2012-07-24 14:10:05 <eian> gavin, we are already seeing some bizarre scripts flying around the network
1235 2012-07-24 14:10:10 <gavinandresen> If it's not a lot of work, you can be a good network citizen by relaying blocks/transactions as you gather the data
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1237 2012-07-24 14:10:33 <eian> gavin, I hope to do that soon - I am running out of bandwidth at my colo (funding this ourselves)
1238 2012-07-24 14:11:13 <eian> I would like to make our dataset available to the public
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1240 2012-07-24 14:11:28 <gavinandresen> eian: bizarre scripts? I wonder if somebody is running a fuzzer on the main network, looking for chinks in the Script evaluation code....
1241 2012-07-24 14:11:28 <eian> We've spoken with the army research lab and they are interested in seeing this data
1242 2012-07-24 14:12:29 <eian> gavin, it's mostly malformed scripts with custom clients - it looks like a few people are testing things
1243 2012-07-24 14:12:57 <gavinandresen> eian: that makes sense. They should really be using testnet for that, though
1244 2012-07-24 14:13:29 <eian> gavin, also - we are seeing interesting trends with one transcation blocks
1245 2012-07-24 14:13:40 <jgarzik> TNiaB, perhaps. testnet does not work right now... you don't get peers
1246 2012-07-24 14:14:17 <jgarzik> I was islanded away from the faucet and gmaxwell, until I manually addnode'd
1247 2012-07-24 14:14:33 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: I saw and commented on the issue
1248 2012-07-24 14:14:36 <jgarzik> great sybil test, but not so great for general testing ;-)
1249 2012-07-24 14:14:59 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: changing pchMessageStart would be easier and 100% certain
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1251 2012-07-24 14:15:40 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: easier for us, but harder for anybody who has written code to interact with testnet
1252 2012-07-24 14:15:49 <gavinandresen> (e.g. I'd have to change bitcointools)
1253 2012-07-24 14:19:41 <gmaxwell> eian: by interesting trends you mean "they've almost entirely gone away compared to a few months ago"?
1254 2012-07-24 14:20:13 <jgarzik> testnet will be cluttered and difficult to use as long as you have three implementations with three genesis blocks, sharing the same cluster of addresses
1255 2012-07-24 14:20:38 <eian> gmaxwell, I haven't looked at that data since april - I'm guessing things have changed now?
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1257 2012-07-24 14:20:59 <sturles> blockchain.info tries to pin transactions to IP by connecting to all nodes as well, doesn't it? I just checked an IP which I know never originated any transaction, and found > 800 "Transactions that were relayed first by the ip". And almost none of my own transactions are first seen from my main wallet IP.
1258 2012-07-24 14:21:32 <eian> sturles, it seems that blockchain.info connects to a subset (around 200 to 500 nodes)
1259 2012-07-24 14:21:45 <gmaxwell> eian: Yes, things have changed.
1260 2012-07-24 14:21:54 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: that's why I think bumping protocol version and dropping peers that are old versions makes sense
1261 2012-07-24 14:22:45 <eian> gmaxwell, did the problem go away by itself or was there a code fix of some sort?
1262 2012-07-24 14:22:56 <sturles> eian: It must be connected to my main wallet node, or it wouldn't have seen any transactions first from it?
1263 2012-07-24 14:24:10 <gmaxwell> eian: they connect to more nodes than they report. I dunno why.
1264 2012-07-24 14:24:29 <gmaxwell> They also connect multiple times to some nodes.
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1266 2012-07-24 14:24:43 <eian> gmaxwell, interesting
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1268 2012-07-24 14:25:29 <eian> sturles, if they aren't connected to you, they won't see the transaction originating from your ip - yes
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1271 2012-07-24 14:28:49 <sturles> The node with > 800 transactions has a very fast and reliable network connection (10 gbit), as opposed to my 200 kbit/s outgoing ADSL. I guess that explains why a lot more transactions are seen first from that node.
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1274 2012-07-24 14:29:54 <eian> sturles, I guess he is relaying slightly faster than everyone else
1275 2012-07-24 14:30:16 <gmaxwell> eian: in the 1000 blocks starting at 172976 14.1% were 1 txn, at the 1000 blocks ending now, 2.6% are 1 txn.
1276 2012-07-24 14:30:17 <eian> sturles, do you happen to know the ip? I'm curious to take a look at any data I have for it
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1278 2012-07-24 14:31:07 <eian> gmaxwell, yeah I remember seeing the % being absurdly high a while back
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1280 2012-07-24 14:31:25 <jgarzik> random q
1281 2012-07-24 14:31:37 <sturles> The node only relaying transactions, never originating it's own? 129.240.12.4
1282 2012-07-24 14:31:46 <jgarzik> is there any external input data into a script, such as TX hash? anything a script implicitly knows?
1283 2012-07-24 14:31:53 <sturles> I started bitcoind there to contribute a reliable seed node.
1284 2012-07-24 14:32:09 <eian> sturles, thanks for the ip
1285 2012-07-24 14:32:18 <edcba_> there are some pushed things on the stack that's all iirc
1286 2012-07-24 14:33:15 <sturles> eian: Please tell me if you discover anything interesting about it.
1287 2012-07-24 14:33:59 <eian> gmaxwell, what brought the 1 tx block count down recently? Was there a code fix?
1288 2012-07-24 14:34:22 <jgarzik> eian: no
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1290 2012-07-24 14:35:16 <gmaxwell> eian: it _appears_ that the anti-social miner(s) got the crap orphaned out of themselves by the deployment of BIP16 and either stopped or changed behavior.
1291 2012-07-24 14:35:47 <gmaxwell> (e.g. an incidental protocol rule change needed for mining left them behind)
1292 2012-07-24 14:36:04 <eian> I see
1293 2012-07-24 14:36:34 <gmaxwell> The high volume 1txn mining might have itself been a misguided and lazy attempt to avoid trouble from BIP16.
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1295 2012-07-24 14:43:05 <t7> gavinandresen: you added the blocknotify thing :3
1296 2012-07-24 14:43:53 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: the CHECKSIG opcodes implicitly rely on a hash of a subset of the transaction, but other than that evaluation is strictly a function of the scriptSig and scriptPubKey
1297 2012-07-24 14:44:00 <gavinandresen> I think
1298 2012-07-24 14:44:24 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: fantastic -- that's the info I needed
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1301 2012-07-24 14:46:06 <jgarzik> nice
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1303 2012-07-24 14:49:25 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: patches welcome if you think of more interesting edge cases
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1308 2012-07-24 15:07:17 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: does bitcoind reject non-coinbase transactions, if their scripts contain garbage at the end? i.e. not well formed
1309 2012-07-24 15:08:03 <gavinandresen> yes, if an invalid opcode is encountered during execution then execution fails
1310 2012-07-24 15:08:22 <gavinandresen> but note that scriptPubKeys are not executed until spent
1311 2012-07-24 15:08:43 <gavinandresen> ... so you can create outputs that are impossible to spend pretty easily
1312 2012-07-24 15:09:05 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: and execution continues through the end of the string? no OP_STOP_EXECUTION opcodes I guess.
1313 2012-07-24 15:09:25 <gavinandresen> invalid opcodes make execution stop and fail immediately
1314 2012-07-24 15:09:31 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: ok
1315 2012-07-24 15:09:49 <gavinandresen> OP_RETURN used to make execution stop, too, but that turned out to be a really bad idea.
1316 2012-07-24 15:10:17 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: my script stuff tokenizes the entire string, before any execution begins. trying to understand if a tokenize failure == reject TX.
1317 2012-07-24 15:11:14 <jgarzik> I've scanned the entire blockchain, and only find tokenize failures in coinbase TX's
1318 2012-07-24 15:11:19 <jgarzik> (as mentioned on the mailing list)
1319 2012-07-24 15:11:29 <jgarzik> so I'm hoping that rule will continue to be true
1320 2012-07-24 15:11:44 <gavinandresen> the invalid script test cases should guide you... rules are weird for what opcodes are allowed inside a not-executed OP_IF branch
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1322 2012-07-24 15:13:02 <jgarzik> as long as an invalid, unknown opcode anywhere in the string == failure, I'm good
1323 2012-07-24 15:13:17 <jgarzik> tightening those loose rules will be done during checksig impl time
1324 2012-07-24 15:13:18 <gavinandresen> Nope. E.g. IF 0xff ELSE 1 ENDIF is valid
1325 2012-07-24 15:13:50 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: that's 0xff, not <pushdata>0xff ?
1326 2012-07-24 15:14:16 <gavinandresen> should be, unless I screwed up the test case
1327 2012-07-24 15:14:43 <jgarzik> hrm
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1329 2012-07-24 15:18:42 <gavinandresen> yes, in the JSON 0xNN are copied directly, not pushed as data
1330 2012-07-24 15:18:42 <gavinandresen> you'll probably need an INVALID_IF_EXECUTED opcode that you tokenize....
1331 2012-07-24 15:18:43 <gavinandresen> actually, I guess OP_RESERVED is already exactly that.
1332 2012-07-24 15:18:43 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: tokenize works on testnet3...
1333 2012-07-24 15:18:43 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: is that test case already in testnet3 chain?
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1335 2012-07-24 15:18:51 <jgarzik> if so, it probably works due to OP_RESERVED being in there, I bet
1336 2012-07-24 15:19:01 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: I don't know; the code I used picked test cases at random from script_valid.json, and I relied on creating several thousand of them to get good coverage
1337 2012-07-24 15:19:02 <jgarzik> Code is small and straightforward, if you're curious: https://github.com/jgarzik/pynode/blob/master/script.py
1338 2012-07-24 15:19:33 <jgarzik> just builds a list of CScriptOp(), which is simply a (opcode, optional data) pair
1339 2012-07-24 15:19:49 <jgarzik> probably have to modify that a lot, once I get into actual execution
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1344 2012-07-24 15:22:49 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: all the test cases are protected by a checkpoint-- you're not optimizing by assuming that signatures before the last checkpoint are valid, are you?
1345 2012-07-24 15:23:00 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: nope, checking everything right now. no code written for checkpoints yet.
1346 2012-07-24 15:23:17 <gavinandresen> good, just thought I'd check...
1347 2012-07-24 15:23:23 <jgarzik> better to exercise the code ;)
1348 2012-07-24 15:29:32 <lianj> jgarzik: please do some tdd or at least build a real testsuite. ;)
1349 2012-07-24 15:33:21 <jgarzik> lianj: tdd?
1350 2012-07-24 15:34:20 <gmaxwell> troll driven development.
1351 2012-07-24 15:34:47 <gmaxwell> It's where you assemble a bunch of trolls to tell you how the program should work, and let confirmation bias do the rest.
1352 2012-07-24 15:36:50 <jgarzik> heh
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1354 2012-07-24 15:38:50 <lianj> no seriously. a testsuite will aid you when refactoring later on. its also the only thing that proves something. making fun of that tells much
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1356 2012-07-24 15:39:52 <jgarzik> neat: As of Python 2.7, non-empty sets (not frozensets) can be created by placing a comma-separated list of elements within braces, for example: {'jack', 'sjoerd'}
1357 2012-07-24 15:40:15 <gmaxwell> lianj: Sorry, I can't hear you from up on your high horse. Perhaps if you climb down we could have a conversation.
1358 2012-07-24 15:40:18 <jgarzik> so I don't have to use a dictoinary, where the value is irrelevant because all I need is the key
1359 2012-07-24 15:40:43 * jgarzik should use a speling dictionary though ;)
1360 2012-07-24 15:41:18 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: as far as I can tell, OP_RETURN *still* makes execution stopâ¦
1361 2012-07-24 15:41:26 <gmaxwell> I wasn't making fun of using tests, they're useful tools. I thought expanding the acronym differently would be more fun, however. Especially while someone is busy telling someone else how they should word. The reference client has a reasonable and growing set of tests.
1362 2012-07-24 15:41:28 <luke-jr> case OP_RETURN: return false;
1363 2012-07-24 15:41:48 <gavinandresen> return false means validation immediately fails
1364 2012-07-24 15:42:05 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: yes, but in a scriptPubKey, that doesn't invalidate the txn
1365 2012-07-24 15:42:21 <luke-jr> (containing it)
1366 2012-07-24 15:42:24 <gmaxwell> lianj: There is also a serious danger in overemphazing tests, because tests do not reliably show the existing of logic you didn't realize you needed to have (thus my comment on confirmation bias). They're necessary but not sufficient.
1367 2012-07-24 15:43:06 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: right... scriptPubKeys aren't executed until you go to spend them....
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1369 2012-07-24 15:44:18 <luke-jr> ergo, bitcoind does NOT reject non-coinbase transactions, if their scriptPubKeys contain garbage at the end
1370 2012-07-24 15:44:31 <luke-jr> jgarzik: ^
1371 2012-07-24 15:45:04 <lianj> gmaxwell: ok im somewhat sorry then, but i always die a little inside because most python projects seem to not care much about testing. sure there is a danger to overemphazing tests. but still better then no tests. missed cases can be added.
1372 2012-07-24 15:45:46 <luke-jr> lianj: bitcoind and Eloipool do have some tests, at least
1373 2012-07-24 15:46:36 <lianj> yea, its a good thing the reference client started to add some tests at some point. for dynamic languages its even more important
1374 2012-07-24 15:51:53 <jgarzik> we have over 190,549 tests already
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1376 2012-07-24 15:55:54 <lianj> gmaxwell: also testsuites harden over time. if more edge cases are found that break something, you extend the tests and later prove ever time you run the tests before committing that you dont introducted an old bug or something.
1377 2012-07-24 15:56:16 <lianj> jgarzik: for one method
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1379 2012-07-24 16:02:50 <luke-jr> jgarzik: transactions which exercise the same code paths are IMO redundant tests ;p
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1386 2012-07-24 16:35:14 <Anduck> hi
1387 2012-07-24 16:35:39 <Anduck> is receiving bitcoin qr code format like bitcoin://publicaddress?amount=0.0005 for example?
1388 2012-07-24 16:35:53 <Anduck> thats what blockchain.info uses
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1390 2012-07-24 16:36:10 <Anduck> or is it better to use a format like bitcoin:publicaddress?amount=5.0E-4
1391 2012-07-24 16:37:17 <luke-jr> Anduck: blockchain.info uses invalid URIs
1392 2012-07-24 16:37:31 <luke-jr> but your latter example is also invalid
1393 2012-07-24 16:38:08 <luke-jr> 0.0005 BTC would be bitcoin:publicaddress?amount=5x4
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1395 2012-07-24 16:38:57 <gavinandresen> don't listen to luke when it comes to expressing amounts, he's a little eccentric
1396 2012-07-24 16:39:53 <gavinandresen> Anduck: spec for URIs is https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BIP_0021
1397 2012-07-24 16:44:51 <Anduck> ahh
1398 2012-07-24 16:45:05 <Anduck> so it seems whole bitcoin qr is dividing people
1399 2012-07-24 16:47:33 <Anduck> so, ?amount=0.0005, 5.0E-4 or 4x4
1400 2012-07-24 16:47:35 <Anduck> 5x4*
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1402 2012-07-24 16:48:34 <luke-jr> Anduck: I'm not aware of anyone using or supporting 5.0E-4
1403 2012-07-24 16:48:47 <Anduck> okay
1404 2012-07-24 16:48:55 <Anduck> but do they support 0.0005?
1405 2012-07-24 16:48:59 <Anduck> which is more supported
1406 2012-07-24 16:49:04 <Anduck> 0.0005 or 5x4
1407 2012-07-24 16:49:09 <luke-jr> 0.0005 is supported by all implementations AFAIK
1408 2012-07-24 16:49:24 <luke-jr> so if you're making URIs, probably safest to use that
1409 2012-07-24 16:49:24 <Anduck> well, i am intending to use the most supported ATM solution
1410 2012-07-24 16:49:29 <Anduck> okay, cool. thanks
1411 2012-07-24 16:49:35 <Anduck> and bitcoin: for the start?
1412 2012-07-24 16:49:39 <luke-jr> yes
1413 2012-07-24 16:49:41 <Anduck> cool
1414 2012-07-24 16:49:48 <luke-jr> / is only valid in URLs, which are resource locators
1415 2012-07-24 16:49:52 <luke-jr> /*
1416 2012-07-24 16:49:54 <luke-jr> err
1417 2012-07-24 16:49:55 <luke-jr> //*
1418 2012-07-24 16:50:09 <Anduck> how about ?amount=0.0005000
1419 2012-07-24 16:50:16 <Anduck> is it as valid as ?amount=0.0005
1420 2012-07-24 16:50:18 <luke-jr> probably would work
1421 2012-07-24 16:50:25 <Anduck> ok
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1432 2012-07-24 17:07:08 <jgarzik> hmmmm
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1435 2012-07-24 17:07:21 <TD> hmm?
1436 2012-07-24 17:07:22 <jgarzik> pynode can talk to < 40000 or >= 60000 nodes
1437 2012-07-24 17:07:26 <jgarzik> but not 40001 or 50001
1438 2012-07-24 17:07:32 <jgarzik> wonder if it's shy-client
1439 2012-07-24 17:08:08 <jgarzik> TD: connects, sends 'version' immediately, and the remote just sits there. I know the remote is a valid node, because it came from 'getpeerinfo' on another server.
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1449 2012-07-24 17:14:51 <TD> odd
1450 2012-07-24 17:15:21 <gavinandresen> even!
1451 2012-07-24 17:15:28 <gavinandresen> (are we betting on something?)
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1467 2012-07-24 17:34:31 <T3DE_> We told to give this comment here.
1468 2012-07-24 17:34:35 <T3DE_> I recently used bitcoin and noticed people are distrubuting the blocks uncompressed, which normally makes sense given how long it would take to compress and decompress using popular archivers, but there is a new compressor thats about 60 times faster for compressing and 40-50 times faster decompressing while still giving better compression than most.
1469 2012-07-24 17:34:54 <T3DE_> Here are the results off Luke-Jr's recent blocks, compressed from 1.95 GB to 1.27 GB in 88 seconds (Assisted by GPU it can be cut in half, but I lack high end GPU). The decompression takes 89 seconds - unless you download faster than ~8 MB a second, this is a nice time savings.
1470 2012-07-24 17:35:07 <T3DE_> Results: http://pastebin.com/pFiRjLDS Compressor/Decompressor here: http://libbsc.com/
1471 2012-07-24 17:35:12 <T3DE_> Open source, too.
1472 2012-07-24 17:35:49 <luke-jr> T3DE_: it's LGPL, so might be trouble mixing with OpenSSL
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1474 2012-07-24 17:40:06 <TimothyA> who will ever notice?
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1477 2012-07-24 17:52:09 <midnightmagic> TimothyA: Not much of a reason to introduce a legal vulnerability into the software..
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1481 2012-07-24 17:56:25 <TimothyA> midnightmagic: it was a joke..
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1492 2012-07-24 18:18:36 <midnightmagic> TimothyA: good one
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1515 2012-07-24 19:35:53 <yellowhat> is there a sort of matrix in which language you can mix which open source libs?
1516 2012-07-24 19:36:25 <gmaxwell> Everything can call C.
1517 2012-07-24 19:36:31 <gmaxwell> Thats about it. :)
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1519 2012-07-24 19:37:09 <yellowhat> i mean if you are writing an apache project can you include GPL if you link statically against it for example
1520 2012-07-24 19:37:22 <gmaxwell> ah, you mean licensing.
1521 2012-07-24 19:37:24 <D34TH> luke-jr, you alive?
1522 2012-07-24 19:37:32 <yellowhat> yes exactly
1523 2012-07-24 19:37:57 <luke-jr> D34TH: <.<
1524 2012-07-24 19:38:15 <yellowhat> i was not aware that openssl has a special license for example
1525 2012-07-24 19:38:25 <luke-jr> yellowhat: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html
1526 2012-07-24 19:38:33 <D34TH> i did the dependencies dance and got qtcreator working
1527 2012-07-24 19:38:46 <D34TH> i just have to include a few dlls
1528 2012-07-24 19:41:27 <yellowhat> thanks, luke-jr! the list solves the problem for 1 row of this massive matrix. many rows left unsolved
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1621 2012-07-24 22:41:43 <luke-jr> bah, I regret helping D34TH :|
1622 2012-07-24 22:41:50 <D34TH> why
1623 2012-07-24 22:41:55 <luke-jr> starting a new scamcoin
1624 2012-07-24 22:42:05 <D34TH> hmm?
1625 2012-07-24 22:42:39 <D34TH> im hosting the abe for it and a ircbot but thats it
1626 2012-07-24 22:42:48 <luke-jr> and own the channelâ¦
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1628 2012-07-24 22:42:53 <D34TH> yea
1629 2012-07-24 22:43:01 <D34TH> thats part of the ircbot
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1631 2012-07-24 22:43:23 <D34TH> luke-jr, thanks for reminding me, i have to fix that
1632 2012-07-24 22:44:29 <doublec> D34TH: what coin is this?
1633 2012-07-24 22:44:39 <D34TH> cubox forked litecoin
1634 2012-07-24 22:44:52 <D34TH> bbqcoin
1635 2012-07-24 22:44:56 <doublec> ah ok
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1642 2012-07-24 23:01:28 <midnightmagic> bbqcoin?
1643 2012-07-24 23:01:46 <midnightmagic> did you choose a sane merged mining id?
1644 2012-07-24 23:01:56 <D34TH> i didnt make it
1645 2012-07-24 23:02:08 <D34TH> check the altcoin forum
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1650 2012-07-24 23:13:41 <doublec> midnightmagic: if it's a fork of litecoin it's not mm capable
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