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  21 2012-07-25 00:57:23 <jgarzik> some good stuff in here: http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2012/07/new-programming-jargon.html
  22 2012-07-25 00:57:46 <jgarzik> "Hydra Code"  Code that cannot be fixed. Like the Hydra of legend, every new fix introduces two new bugs. It should be rewritten.
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  24 2012-07-25 01:03:26 <jgarzik> rofl, "God object"  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_object
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 118 2012-07-25 06:46:16 <zveda> hi
 119 2012-07-25 06:46:22 <zveda> is the pubkey sensitive information at all ?
 120 2012-07-25 06:46:45 <copumpkin> I hope not
 121 2012-07-25 06:46:49 <zveda> the 256 bit one
 122 2012-07-25 06:47:01 <zveda> is it any more sensitive than the address ?
 123 2012-07-25 06:47:30 <zveda> is the purpose of the hashing jsut to shorten the address a bit ?
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 125 2012-07-25 06:48:14 <gmaxwell> zveda: yes, pretty much.
 126 2012-07-25 06:48:33 <zveda> hm I see
 127 2012-07-25 06:48:38 <zveda> ok I found on this site 'There is a difference between public key and bitcoin address. The bitcoin address is shown when funds are sent, but the public key is not shown until funds are sent from the address. A bitcoin address is a hash of a public key with checksum added.'
 128 2012-07-25 06:48:51 <gmaxwell> You can make an armwave argument that it's strictly more secure against unknown cryptographic attacks on ECDSA, but thats a paranoia concern.
 129 2012-07-25 06:49:38 <zveda> ok
 130 2012-07-25 06:49:51 <zveda> so no problem with giving out my pubkey then
 131 2012-07-25 06:50:08 <gmaxwell> (because to attack the key with this scheme means you have a very narrow window from when the public key is available to you to when the txn is irreversable and the key is useless (assuming the users don't reuse))
 132 2012-07-25 06:50:12 <gmaxwell> zveda: why would you though?
 133 2012-07-25 06:50:28 <gmaxwell> And 'my pubkey'? That sounds like you only have one?
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 135 2012-07-25 06:50:34 <gmaxwell> Only having one would be a bad practice.
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 139 2012-07-25 06:54:45 <zveda> noo i have lots
 140 2012-07-25 06:54:51 <zveda> but this one corresponds to this address
 141 2012-07-25 06:55:43 <gmaxwell> The normal thing you should do is use as many addresses as you can for different things.
 142 2012-07-25 06:55:55 <gmaxwell> So whatever you need a pubkey for.. that should use a different address.
 143 2012-07-25 06:55:58 <zveda> yes
 144 2012-07-25 06:56:01 <zveda> ok will do
 145 2012-07-25 06:57:44 <lianj> hehe, no one has forced this pubkey yet http://blockexplorer.com/tx/4a5e1e4baab89f3a32518a88c31bc87f618f76673e2cc77ab2127b7afdeda33b
 146 2012-07-25 06:59:47 <gmaxwell> lianj: How would you know?  It's unspendable.
 147 2012-07-25 07:01:02 <lianj> why?
 148 2012-07-25 07:01:41 <gmaxwell> Because block 0 just 'exists', and since it's not processed normally the transaction isn't put into the tx index.
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 150 2012-07-25 07:02:53 <lianj> oh, didnt know. is total btc is really 190654*50 and not (190654+1)*50 ?
 151 2012-07-25 07:03:01 <lianj> s/is/so/
 152 2012-07-25 07:03:07 <gmaxwell> Thats not the only missing bitcoin.
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 154 2012-07-25 07:03:26 <gmaxwell> There are two instances of duplicated coinbases that each leave 50 btc unspendable.
 155 2012-07-25 07:03:42 <gmaxwell> Then a number of instances of burned fees. (block took less reward than it could have)
 156 2012-07-25 07:03:51 <lianj> ouch
 157 2012-07-25 07:03:55 <zveda> what was the second instance?
 158 2012-07-25 07:04:04 <zveda> when the blockchain was restarted?
 159 2012-07-25 07:04:13 <gmaxwell> midnightmagic also intentionally kept 1e-8 btc from coming into existance. (while also accidentally burning fees)
 160 2012-07-25 07:04:13 <zveda> i think someone said, they had to go back a few blocks once
 161 2012-07-25 07:05:00 <gmaxwell> No. The blockchain was never "restarted", though there was a large reorg once triggered by the value overflow bugfix.
 162 2012-07-25 07:05:03 <luke-jr> zveda: those don't count against the 21mil
 163 2012-07-25 07:05:12 <luke-jr> and it happens on a one-block basis pretty often
 164 2012-07-25 07:05:32 <midnightmagic> i thought satoshi once corrected a bug and got a majority hashrate to overwrite the overflow spend block?
 165 2012-07-25 07:05:33 <gmaxwell> Yea, orphan blocks are pretty common, and don't count against the total as they're just replaced.
 166 2012-07-25 07:05:55 <midnightmagic> ah..  yes, i guess i'm behind
 167 2012-07-25 07:05:58 <lianj> gmaxwell: but the first tx could be spendable technically. why did the client choose no to?
 168 2012-07-25 07:06:01 <gmaxwell> midnightmagic: How is your thinking inconsistent with the discussion here? :)
 169 2012-07-25 07:06:21 <gmaxwell> lianj: it's an oversight, not a choice— most likely.
 170 2012-07-25 07:06:28 <midnightmagic> gmaxwell: irssi with > 60 subwindows doesn't tell me when i'm not at the bottom of a scrollback. doh
 171 2012-07-25 07:06:29 <zveda> u could still spend those 50btc by passing on the private key
 172 2012-07-25 07:06:48 <gmaxwell> You could never have blockchain confirmation of the spend.
 173 2012-07-25 07:07:00 <gmaxwell> Which means you could spend it as many times as you want. :)
 174 2012-07-25 07:07:13 <gmaxwell> And all the recipents and so on. not a very useful thing.
 175 2012-07-25 07:07:18 <zveda> yes but your total would go up by 50
 176 2012-07-25 07:07:46 <gmaxwell> Actually, I don't think it would.
 177 2012-07-25 07:07:54 <zveda> o
 178 2012-07-25 07:07:57 <zveda> nvm then
 179 2012-07-25 07:08:22 <gmaxwell> I guess if it doesn't it would make the mistake harder to explain.
 180 2012-07-25 07:08:49 <lianj> gmaxwell: ok, then the tx in block 1 must be the target ^^
 181 2012-07-25 07:10:07 <gmaxwell> and yes, then unspent generated coins are the canary in the ecdsa exploit coalmine.
 182 2012-07-25 07:12:43 <luke-jr> meta-discussion: why did I join in the discussion?
 183 2012-07-25 07:13:31 <luke-jr> O.o
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 185 2012-07-25 07:14:10 <KingKatari> LUKE
 186 2012-07-25 07:14:15 <gmaxwell> I
 187 2012-07-25 07:14:23 <KingKatari> i want a copy of your bot
 188 2012-07-25 07:14:27 <KingKatari> i need it
 189 2012-07-25 07:14:30 <KingKatari> how much?
 190 2012-07-25 07:14:40 <gmaxwell> aw. you could have cascaded with that.
 191 2012-07-25 07:15:01 <Enas> I building bitcoin version 6.3 the latest on windows 7 I have qt creator and downloaded the depndencies files and copied them as specified
 192 2012-07-25 07:15:10 <Enas> but I get this error :
 193 2012-07-25 07:15:17 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: something is odd with me. my thoughts keep getting more and more meta :|
 194 2012-07-25 07:15:24 <Enas> 10:53:25: The process "C:\QtSDK\mingw\bin\mingw32-make.exe" exited normally. 10:53:25: Configuration unchanged, skipping qmake step. 10:53:25: Starting: "C:\QtSDK\mingw\bin\mingw32-make.exe"  C:/QtSDK/mingw/bin/mingw32-make.exe -f Makefile.Debug mingw32-make.exe[1]: Entering directory `C:/bitcoin-0.6.3-win32/src' cd C:/bitcoin-0.6.3-win32/src; /bin/sh share/genbuild.sh C:/bitcoin-0.6.3-win32/src/build/build.h mingw32-make.exe[1]: Le
 195 2012-07-25 07:15:37 <luke-jr> KingKatari: no.
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 198 2012-07-25 07:15:50 <Enas> The filename, directory name, or volume label syntax is incorrect. mingw32-make.exe[1]: *** [genbuildhook] Error 1 mingw32-make.exe: *** [debug] Error 2 10:53:26: The process "C:\QtSDK\mingw\bin\mingw32-make.exe" exited with code 2. Error while building project bitcoin-qt (target: Desktop) When executing build step 'Make'
 199 2012-07-25 07:16:03 <luke-jr> KingKatari: I know what you're up to, and I'll have no part in it.
 200 2012-07-25 07:16:12 <KingKatari> what am i up to
 201 2012-07-25 07:16:22 <luke-jr> new scamcoin
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 203 2012-07-25 07:16:39 <KingKatari> I have a LTC pool and i want the bot to announce when the block is found
 204 2012-07-25 07:16:47 <KingKatari> I am not doing anything with bbqcoin
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 206 2012-07-25 07:16:56 <KingKatari> i was paid to host that site that is it
 207 2012-07-25 07:16:58 <luke-jr> oh well, old scamcoin is not much better
 208 2012-07-25 07:17:16 <Enas> please help
 209 2012-07-25 07:17:22 <KingKatari> come on luke
 210 2012-07-25 07:17:41 <KingKatari> my pool on the ltc side is actully taking off and doing good plz
 211 2012-07-25 07:17:45 <luke-jr> Enas: I think you need to use pastebin
 212 2012-07-25 07:17:51 * KingKatari gives Luke tyhe puppy dog eyes
 213 2012-07-25 07:18:07 <Enas> what is paste bin?
 214 2012-07-25 07:19:48 <luke-jr> Enas: http://pastebin.ca
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 216 2012-07-25 07:23:30 <Enas> ok this the link to my error http://pastebin.ca/2174518
 217 2012-07-25 07:23:46 <Enas> I need to build bitcoin-qt on my windows 7
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 222 2012-07-25 07:31:46 <Enas> heeeeeeeelp please
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 226 2012-07-25 07:35:32 <Enas> I need help
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 228 2012-07-25 07:40:21 <luke-jr> Enas: the problem you are hitting on IRC is that nobody else really builds on Windows
 229 2012-07-25 07:40:39 <luke-jr> Enas: if you wait around, maybe Diapolo will show up
 230 2012-07-25 07:40:55 <Enas> ok should I switch to debian?
 231 2012-07-25 07:41:06 <Enas> ok I will wait for him
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 233 2012-07-25 07:41:30 <luke-jr> Enas: Windows binaries are built with Ubuntu
 234 2012-07-25 07:42:56 <Enas> mmm
 235 2012-07-25 07:43:04 <Enas> why not debian?
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 239 2012-07-25 07:50:16 <luke-jr> Enas: it doesn't have some stupid VM tools that the author of gitian made it require
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 243 2012-07-25 07:52:04 <Enas> but I can get the source code  and compile it without the need to use gitian
 244 2012-07-25 07:52:14 <Enas> or I am wrong?
 245 2012-07-25 07:55:02 <luke-jr> you can try ;)
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 247 2012-07-25 07:57:16 <maaku> Enas: you can try applying pull request #1597, on windows or debian
 248 2012-07-25 07:58:07 <Enas> I dont understand can you give more details?
 249 2012-07-25 07:58:21 <maaku> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1597
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 259 2012-07-25 08:21:04 <gambler> good evening all
 260 2012-07-25 08:21:36 <gambler> Im trying to work out how (if) I can use getrawtransaction rpc call to reliably determine "a" address of the sender
 261 2012-07-25 08:21:48 <gambler> just like satoshi dice
 262 2012-07-25 08:22:09 <gambler> I have it working using the blockchain.info web api, but that is not scalable
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 264 2012-07-25 08:22:45 <gambler> I currently use getrawtransaction to get 1 of the input's txid's
 265 2012-07-25 08:23:02 <gambler> and then reuse getraw to look at the inputs tx and try to determine the address
 266 2012-07-25 08:23:19 <gambler> The senders address is always in the list, but mixed up with others as well
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 268 2012-07-25 08:25:29 <luke-jr> gambler: there is no such thing as a sender address
 269 2012-07-25 08:25:42 <gambler> inputs then
 270 2012-07-25 08:26:03 <luke-jr> don't use them for anything
 271 2012-07-25 08:26:25 <gambler> satoshidice does to great success
 272 2012-07-25 08:26:26 <gambler> Id like to clone it
 273 2012-07-25 08:26:56 <gambler> I do it right now using blockchain.info but Id like a local solution
 274 2012-07-25 08:26:56 <luke-jr> satoshidice is an attack on Bitcoin
 275 2012-07-25 08:28:13 <gambler> ...
 276 2012-07-25 08:28:22 <gambler> that is your opinion and you are welcome to it
 277 2012-07-25 08:28:32 <gambler> I think its a requirement for bitcoin to succeed
 278 2012-07-25 08:28:40 <luke-jr> it is a DoS attack that tricks gamblers into funding it
 279 2012-07-25 08:29:00 <gambler> so please refrain from your politics and back to the technical
 280 2012-07-25 08:29:15 <gambler> "you should to X because I dont like it" is not relevant
 281 2012-07-25 08:29:17 <luke-jr> don't expect Bitcoin developers to help you replicate an attack on Bitcoin
 282 2012-07-25 08:29:36 <gambler> are you a bitcoin dev ?
 283 2012-07-25 08:29:44 <gambler> Gavin does not seem to have an issue
 284 2012-07-25 08:30:10 <gambler> in fact its a very vocal minority that do make the complaints you do
 285 2012-07-25 08:30:13 <luke-jr> don't know where you got that idea; I'd be surprised if Gavin was OK with attacks
 286 2012-07-25 08:30:30 <theorbtwo> luke-jr: In what way is satoshidice a denial of service attack?
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 288 2012-07-25 08:30:40 <gambler> luke-jr you are an idiot and a fool
 289 2012-07-25 08:30:44 <luke-jr> theorbtwo: it floods the network with spam
 290 2012-07-25 08:30:46 <gambler> more commerce is a good  thing for any ecconomy
 291 2012-07-25 08:30:56 <luke-jr> gambler: no u
 292 2012-07-25 08:31:04 <theorbtwo> luke-jr: Spam is in the eye of the beholder.
 293 2012-07-25 08:31:29 <luke-jr> theorbtwo: there are cases (like this one) where it is objective
 294 2012-07-25 08:31:36 <gambler> is these a pastbin bot for this channel ?
 295 2012-07-25 08:31:46 <gambler> luke-jr: a deluded fool ?
 296 2012-07-25 08:31:54 <gambler> do you think that SD is aiming to break bitcoin ?
 297 2012-07-25 08:32:03 <luke-jr> gambler: they obviously are
 298 2012-07-25 08:32:12 <gambler> wow
 299 2012-07-25 08:32:24 <luke-jr> someone who accidentally breaks things would STOP WHEN THEY NOTICE IT'S BREAKING THINGS
 300 2012-07-25 08:32:24 <gambler> .....
 301 2012-07-25 08:32:34 <luke-jr> SD just keeps on doin git
 302 2012-07-25 08:32:35 <gambler> except nothing is broken
 303 2012-07-25 08:32:42 <gambler> I have not seen anyone saying btc is broken
 304 2012-07-25 08:32:44 <luke-jr> gambler: keep telling yourself that…
 305 2012-07-25 08:32:54 <gambler> Ive been trading all week
 306 2012-07-25 08:32:55 <gambler> no issues here
 307 2012-07-25 08:33:02 <gambler> mining etc
 308 2012-07-25 08:33:09 <gambler> where is this breakage you speak off
 309 2012-07-25 08:34:19 <gambler> nice troll there luke-jr
 310 2012-07-25 08:34:29 <luke-jr> let's see… absurdly high CPU and bandwidth on all Bitcoin nodes, higher rate of blocks being orphaned, much longer times for confirmations, …
 311 2012-07-25 08:34:41 <sturles> Huh?  In what way is SD a DOS?  They pay fees and averything.  A large pool which only mine 32 transactions per block is IMHO more of a DOS against bitcoin.
 312 2012-07-25 08:34:50 <luke-jr> sturles: SD pays no fees
 313 2012-07-25 08:34:55 <gambler> again my bandwidth is low
 314 2012-07-25 08:34:59 <luke-jr> sturles: quit trolling
 315 2012-07-25 08:34:59 <sturles> No?  It used to.
 316 2012-07-25 08:34:59 <gambler> cpu usage is negliable
 317 2012-07-25 08:35:06 <luke-jr> sturles: no, its victims pay the fees
 318 2012-07-25 08:35:10 <sturles> I don't see much CPU use either.
 319 2012-07-25 08:35:23 <gambler> still failing to see any of these doom and gloom signs you are speaking off
 320 2012-07-25 08:35:23 <luke-jr> sturles: and the fees don't cover the costs
 321 2012-07-25 08:35:34 <gambler> Im a miner, I dont mind
 322 2012-07-25 08:35:36 <gambler> :D
 323 2012-07-25 08:35:45 <luke-jr> gambler: you don't mind losing hundreds of BTC?
 324 2012-07-25 08:35:45 <sturles> If SD don't pay fees, it's returns will take a long time to arrive.
 325 2012-07-25 08:35:45 <gambler> bring on your cheapy tx's
 326 2012-07-25 08:36:03 <luke-jr> sturles: no, because it forces the gambler to pay it
 327 2012-07-25 08:36:13 <gambler> luke-jr: I would mind if that were a reality and not a fantasy of yours
 328 2012-07-25 08:36:18 <sturles> Well, the transactions pay fees.
 329 2012-07-25 08:36:21 <luke-jr> gambler: it is reality
 330 2012-07-25 08:36:35 <gambler> a subjective reality for yourself perhaps
 331 2012-07-25 08:36:45 <gambler> I believe that you believe it is real luke-jr
 332 2012-07-25 08:37:00 <theorbtwo> luke-jr: It subtracts the transaction fee from the winnings, luke-jr ?
 333 2012-07-25 08:37:04 <sturles> I wouldn't spend a single satoshi on SD, but I don't think it is a DOS.  Bitcoin works perfectly fine with it.
 334 2012-07-25 08:37:08 <luke-jr> gambler: more like, you just don't have a clue
 335 2012-07-25 08:37:13 <luke-jr> theorbtwo: yes
 336 2012-07-25 08:37:31 <theorbtwo> luke-jr: OK, that doesn't seem terribly surprising to me.
 337 2012-07-25 08:37:56 <gambler> here bitcoin has been under a DOS attack for ~4 months and I have not noticed
 338 2012-07-25 08:38:00 <gambler> thats a very robust network
 339 2012-07-25 08:38:37 <gambler> so back to my technical q
 340 2012-07-25 08:38:37 <gambler> getrawtransaction {     "hex" : "~",     "txid" : "b0520b41270c6f1cd8e853bad2151fabb9145ef05de2a838e01dfdd510ca3c54",     "version" : 1,     "locktime" : 0,     "vin" : [         {             "txid" : "77c51cdef1befdcb89b4a0fefa3a03c987627d24ade3dbf08c636b698fbf43bb",             "vout" : 1,             "scriptSig" : {                 "asm" : "~",                 "hex" : "~"             },             "sequence" : 4294967295
 341 2012-07-25 08:38:41 <gambler> arrghh
 342 2012-07-25 08:38:42 <gambler> sorry all
 343 2012-07-25 08:38:46 <gambler> pastebin.ca
 344 2012-07-25 08:39:43 <gambler> http://pastebin.ca/2174531
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 346 2012-07-25 08:39:49 <gambler> so thats a recieved TX in raw
 347 2012-07-25 08:40:10 <gambler> the VIN tx is: "txid" : "77c51cdef1befdcb89b4a0fefa3a03c987627d24ade3dbf08c636b698fbf43bb",
 348 2012-07-25 08:40:35 PiZZaMaN2K has joined
 349 2012-07-25 08:41:21 <gambler> this is the VIN getrawtx output
 350 2012-07-25 08:41:22 <gambler> http://pastebin.ca/2174533
 351 2012-07-25 08:42:28 <gambler> 1 of those addresses in the vout is the senders address
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 353 2012-07-25 08:43:36 <gambler> its not 1MG6MTGjRxjhj9Phh4SGGB7dKJAFMq7Mj7
 354 2012-07-25 08:43:43 <gambler> but how to determine that each time
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 359 2012-07-25 08:46:52 <luke-jr> oh the irony
 360 2012-07-25 08:47:14 <gambler> well the happy news luke-jr
 361 2012-07-25 08:47:21 <gambler> expect a butt load more spam to cry about ;)
 362 2012-07-25 08:47:23 <luke-jr> my patch a few months ago actually added the closest-thing-to-a-from-address to getrawtransaction
 363 2012-07-25 08:47:24 <theorbtwo> Er, surely the from address is one of the vin, not the vout?
 364 2012-07-25 08:47:30 <luke-jr> and it looks like that was part of what Gavin removed
 365 2012-07-25 08:47:42 <luke-jr> :D
 366 2012-07-25 08:48:40 <gambler> theorbtwo: Im doing a double tx lookup
 367 2012-07-25 08:48:45 <gambler> 1st lookup to get raw
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 369 2012-07-25 08:49:15 <gambler> then get raw on  the vin txid from the raw output
 370 2012-07-25 08:49:53 <gambler> and try to find the vout from the vin txid
 371 2012-07-25 08:49:55 <gambler> very close
 372 2012-07-25 08:50:32 <gambler> luke-jr: Im open to suggestions on reducing spam on my new service
 373 2012-07-25 08:51:35 <gambler> sendmany seems to be the 1 thing SD has done to help
 374 2012-07-25 08:51:51 <gambler> but honestly, if TX's are getting paid its a good thing for the ecconomy
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 376 2012-07-25 08:52:58 <theorbtwo> gambler: provide two addresses, one for "pay tx fees on return transaction", one for avoiding them.
 377 2012-07-25 08:53:20 <theorbtwo> (To address luke-jr's only purely objective complaint.)
 378 2012-07-25 08:53:20 copumpkin has joined
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 380 2012-07-25 08:54:26 <luke-jr> gambler: to setup a non-attack gambling service, take deposits and give withdrawls, and do all the bookkeeping on your server
 381 2012-07-25 08:54:39 <gambler> luke-jr: I see that as a good method
 382 2012-07-25 08:54:52 <gambler> but SD draws gamblers for the instant no BS
 383 2012-07-25 08:55:05 <gambler> looks like I just sorted it out, testing fine from 2 wallets
 384 2012-07-25 08:55:10 <gambler> luke-jr: theorbtwo
 385 2012-07-25 08:55:17 <gambler> my game has a 5%house edge
 386 2012-07-25 08:55:32 <gambler> how about I take 1% from deposits and payouts and add as a tx
 387 2012-07-25 08:55:41 <luke-jr> gambler: so do instant no BS without the spam
 388 2012-07-25 08:55:46 <gambler> so while my deposits I cant control tx amounts
 389 2012-07-25 08:56:03 <gambler> I can add rebalance it on the outgoing payout
 390 2012-07-25 08:56:22 <gambler> luke-jr: what you call spam every other person calls success
 391 2012-07-25 08:56:34 <luke-jr> gambler: nobody who's paying attention
 392 2012-07-25 08:57:02 <gambler> this all or nothing attitude does not help me meet you midway
 393 2012-07-25 08:57:12 <gambler> min tx it is
 394 2012-07-25 08:57:18 <gambler> until the network demands higher I guess
 395 2012-07-25 08:58:18 <sturles> I'm all for gambling services including transaction fees.  A miners tax for the stupid.
 396 2012-07-25 08:58:21 <gambler> theorbtwo: I think if I gave everyone the tx free option they wouldnt use the other
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 400 2012-07-25 08:59:10 <theorbtwo> gambler: Personally, the appeal I see in the lottery is in the anticipation; returning the transaction too quickly minimises that.
 401 2012-07-25 08:59:25 <gambler> agreed
 402 2012-07-25 08:59:30 <gambler> my game has a 1min sleep
 403 2012-07-25 08:59:35 <theorbtwo> Then again, I'm clearly not the target audience.
 404 2012-07-25 08:59:37 <gambler> then all tx's get processed
 405 2012-07-25 08:59:47 <gambler> its up for testing :)
 406 2012-07-25 08:59:51 <gambler> but it is in testing
 407 2012-07-25 09:00:13 <gambler> just swapped from blockchain.info lookups to  git ver of bitcoind to get the rawtx info
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 411 2012-07-25 09:02:56 <gambler> to all devs - I loooooove the bitcoind interface
 412 2012-07-25 09:03:04 <gambler> + rpc
 413 2012-07-25 09:05:14 <sturles> Stupid people slowly handing their bitcoins over to miners through transaction fees.  What is better than that?  0.001 BTC per game.  That's almost a cent, and two transactions don't cost that much extra processing.
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 415 2012-07-25 09:08:00 <luke-jr> nevermind the hugely increased risk of the block being an orphan altogether, losing those fees AND the subsidy which is much larger
 416 2012-07-25 09:08:54 <Joric> where is that risk comes from?
 417 2012-07-25 09:09:05 <luke-jr> Joric: the blocks take longer to propagate
 418 2012-07-25 09:09:31 <luke-jr> bigger, so more time to upload between each node; more signatures, so more time to verify the transactions before passing it on
 419 2012-07-25 09:10:13 <Joric> see also a free stress test
 420 2012-07-25 09:10:41 <sturles> I can't find any strong correlation between block size and the chance of beeing orphaned.
 421 2012-07-25 09:10:44 <luke-jr> Joric: good. we failed the test. now they can stop it until we have time to fix it
 422 2012-07-25 09:10:54 <luke-jr> sturles: then you didn't look hard
 423 2012-07-25 09:11:13 <luke-jr> even a skim over the orphan list on blockchain.info shows a bias
 424 2012-07-25 09:11:59 <luke-jr> time for sleep, night
 425 2012-07-25 09:12:02 <sturles> luke-jr: Your pool got orphaned several times in a row.  This happens sometimes.  You know as well as every miner that randomness tends to serve events in chunks.
 426 2012-07-25 09:12:46 <luke-jr> sturles: and there was good evidence that most of those times, we'd have "won" if not for the size
 427 2012-07-25 09:13:26 <sturles> Were the comnpeting blocks much smaller?
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 429 2012-07-25 09:13:41 <luke-jr> sturles: yes
 430 2012-07-25 09:13:48 <luke-jr> at least in the majority of cases
 431 2012-07-25 09:13:51 <kinlo> luke-jr: weren't you filtering your blocks?
 432 2012-07-25 09:14:00 <luke-jr> kinlo: what?
 433 2012-07-25 09:14:04 <kinlo> luke-jr: excluding dice transactions and such?
 434 2012-07-25 09:14:17 <luke-jr> kinlo: I haven't had *any* orphans since I started that ;)
 435 2012-07-25 09:14:24 <kinlo> ic
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 437 2012-07-25 09:15:00 <Joric> i'm mostly amazed by the number of people gambling there's even a few martingale players :) so stupid
 438 2012-07-25 09:15:21 <sturles> Sometimes when I only get ones playing Ludo, I change hads throwing the dice.  Suddenly the bad chain is broken.  Must be a connection then?
 439 2012-07-25 09:17:39 <luke-jr> anyhow, sleep for real…
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 441 2012-07-25 09:19:32 <Enas> I am sorry i got lost, I thought to start developing for bitcoin is easier than this way. I am a master student I want to do some adaptation for bitcoin to be used as distributed trading platform for different commidity which registered and and verified in similar way as bitcoins
 442 2012-07-25 09:20:13 <Enas> I need a working cpy of source of bitcoin that I can build and defelop for it under windows 7
 443 2012-07-25 09:20:41 <sturles> Enas: There is already a project like this going on.
 444 2012-07-25 09:20:48 <Enas> but I got error like in this link http://pastebin.ca
 445 2012-07-25 09:21:04 <Enas> where is this project?
 446 2012-07-25 09:21:51 <sturles> https://github.com/FellowTraveler/Open-Transactions/wiki
 447 2012-07-25 09:22:00 <sturles> Similar?
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 449 2012-07-25 09:24:42 <Enas> mmm may be
 450 2012-07-25 09:24:48 <Enas> I give it a look
 451 2012-07-25 09:24:55 <sturles> And you should really use Linux if you are developing Bitcoin.  You will find it much easier.
 452 2012-07-25 09:25:15 <Enas> but I need now to know which is the best develop under windos 7 ubuntu or debian?
 453 2012-07-25 09:27:06 <sturles> Debian is fine, but this may depend on your level of experience with Linux.  Ubuntu is easier to get up and working.  Debian is better if you know your way around.
 454 2012-07-25 09:29:04 <Enas> aha
 455 2012-07-25 09:29:06 <Enas> thanx
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 457 2012-07-25 09:29:21 <Enas> I have good experience in linux
 458 2012-07-25 09:30:19 <Enas> one of my friends told me that the new version of bitcoin can not be built on windows or ubuntu they give  a lot of errors in debian its straight forward
 459 2012-07-25 09:31:47 <Enas> can you give me a link for the complete steps of building on debian or ubuntu (or both) that is gruanteed without errors?
 460 2012-07-25 09:32:59 <gambler> cp makefile.unix Makefile
 461 2012-07-25 09:33:00 <gambler> make
 462 2012-07-25 09:33:03 <gambler> fix deps
 463 2012-07-25 09:33:07 <gambler> make
 464 2012-07-25 09:33:12 <gambler> repeat until success
 465 2012-07-25 09:33:32 <gambler> you will want build-essentials on unbuntu
 466 2012-07-25 09:33:51 <Enas> what do u mean by fix deps?
 467 2012-07-25 09:34:02 <gambler> nothing ever compiles the 1st time ;)
 468 2012-07-25 09:34:11 <Enas> and from where to get build-essentials?
 469 2012-07-25 09:34:11 <gambler> you will need to install some extra libs and headers
 470 2012-07-25 09:34:16 <gambler> apt-get install
 471 2012-07-25 09:34:31 <gambler> are you a linux user at all ?
 472 2012-07-25 09:35:04 <Enas> yes
 473 2012-07-25 09:35:10 <gambler> good
 474 2012-07-25 09:35:15 <gambler> using ubuntu ?
 475 2012-07-25 09:35:53 <gambler> this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingEasyHowTo
 476 2012-07-25 09:36:01 <gambler> will get your base enviroment ready for compiling
 477 2012-07-25 09:36:05 <Enas> or debian
 478 2012-07-25 09:36:10 <gambler> then you will need the bitcoin source
 479 2012-07-25 09:36:23 <gambler> just use the latest, it compiles file
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 481 2012-07-25 09:37:40 <gambler> Im quite happy, so far looking up a input address for a recieve tx works fine
 482 2012-07-25 09:37:45 <Enas> ok I will try , am not sure if all the environment is ready
 483 2012-07-25 09:38:05 <Enas> I guess I do not have the boost libs till now
 484 2012-07-25 09:38:26 <gambler> if you can read make output (and I assume you can)
 485 2012-07-25 09:38:29 <gambler> it will be fine
 486 2012-07-25 09:38:32 <Enas> acatually I spent the last week trying to compile on top of windows 7 utill I gave up
 487 2012-07-25 09:38:36 <gambler> google ubuntu <lib> headers
 488 2012-07-25 09:38:37 <gambler> or
 489 2012-07-25 09:38:44 <gambler> ubuntu <lib> dev package
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 491 2012-07-25 09:38:51 <t7> Enas: it should work with msys
 492 2012-07-25 09:38:58 <t7> probably not Qt though
 493 2012-07-25 09:39:09 <gambler> I came to linux back in 98 simply because I could get shit compiling without hassle
 494 2012-07-25 09:39:27 <gambler> trying to find headers for windows 98/95 for free was f***ed
 495 2012-07-25 09:40:14 <t7> i remember windows 98
 496 2012-07-25 09:40:30 <t7> with dev-cpp
 497 2012-07-25 09:40:34 <t7> good times
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 499 2012-07-25 09:40:53 <Enas> t7 can you give me more details
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 501 2012-07-25 09:41:03 <t7> download mingw
 502 2012-07-25 09:41:17 <t7> goto C:\Mingw32\ something \ msys
 503 2012-07-25 09:41:19 <t7> run msys
 504 2012-07-25 09:41:24 <Enas> I dowanloaded mingw
 505 2012-07-25 09:41:29 <sturles> apt-cache search libwhatever | grep dev usually finds the header package you want.
 506 2012-07-25 09:41:32 <gambler> t7 win98 made me cry and give up c development, then i found linux :D
 507 2012-07-25 09:41:33 <t7> run mingw32-get install git
 508 2012-07-25 09:41:47 <t7> git clone bitcoin etc
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 510 2012-07-25 09:42:11 <t7> and finally: make -f Makefile.unix
 511 2012-07-25 09:43:42 <Enas> when I run mingw32-get install git I got this sh: mingw32-get: command not found
 512 2012-07-25 09:44:16 <t7> mingw-get
 513 2012-07-25 09:44:34 <t7> and git might be msys-git
 514 2012-07-25 09:44:42 <Enas> even if I am in window? makefile of .unix?.. but the latest version has no makefiles of such extensions?
 515 2012-07-25 09:44:58 <t7> in src
 516 2012-07-25 09:45:03 <Enas> the qt-version
 517 2012-07-25 09:45:04 <t7> ./src
 518 2012-07-25 09:45:47 <Enas> its only Makefile with no extension (.unix)
 519 2012-07-25 09:45:56 <t7> ah .mingw
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 521 2012-07-25 09:47:22 <Enas> not even .mingw!
 522 2012-07-25 09:47:28 <Enas> no extensions at alla
 523 2012-07-25 09:47:34 <t7> what directory are you in?
 524 2012-07-25 09:47:41 <Enas> src
 525 2012-07-25 09:47:51 <t7> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/tree/master/src
 526 2012-07-25 09:47:57 <t7> looks like that?
 527 2012-07-25 09:48:24 <Enas> bitcoin-0.6.3-win32\src
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 529 2012-07-25 09:50:16 <Enas> mmm is the source code in the link you gave to me is the latest?
 530 2012-07-25 09:50:39 <t7> yeah did you git clone it like i said?
 531 2012-07-25 09:50:52 <Enas> because I tried this one and it worked until I got ld error (link error)
 532 2012-07-25 09:51:11 <Enas> I got the .zip version of it
 533 2012-07-25 09:51:22 <Enas> not using git commands
 534 2012-07-25 09:54:28 <Enas> hello
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 537 2012-07-25 10:05:37 <t7> well use the newest git one
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 540 2012-07-25 10:10:24 <Enas> I got this error
 541 2012-07-25 10:10:28 <Enas> :-1: error: cannot find -lminiupnpc
 542 2012-07-25 10:10:40 <Enas> :-1: error: collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
 543 2012-07-25 10:12:48 <t7> ah you need libminiupnp
 544 2012-07-25 10:13:07 <t7> which is an apt-get or pacman in linux
 545 2012-07-25 10:13:40 <Enas>  but am not on linux sir am on windows 7
 546 2012-07-25 10:14:28 <t7> http://miniupnp.free.fr download the source and build inside msys
 547 2012-07-25 10:15:46 <Enas> I have libminiupnpc.a is it ok? where should I put this?
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 549 2012-07-25 10:16:11 <t7> err lib folder
 550 2012-07-25 10:16:15 <t7> you need the header too
 551 2012-07-25 10:16:41 <Enas> now I got this: :-1: error: cannot find -lboost_system-mgw44-mt-s-1_49
 552 2012-07-25 10:16:57 <t7> install boost
 553 2012-07-25 10:17:09 <Enas> I got all the headers and libs for miniupnpc
 554 2012-07-25 10:17:10 <t7> you can using mingw-get for this
 555 2012-07-25 10:17:18 <Enas> I had it
 556 2012-07-25 10:17:21 <t7> boost?
 557 2012-07-25 10:17:55 <Enas> yes
 558 2012-07-25 10:18:05 <Enas> should I complie boost also?
 559 2012-07-25 10:18:15 <t7> no you can use mingw-get install boost
 560 2012-07-25 10:18:25 <t7> or lib boost or msys-libboost or something
 561 2012-07-25 10:19:38 <Enas> ok I will do that now
 562 2012-07-25 10:20:26 <t7> oi devs! I though Makefiles started with a capital M ?
 563 2012-07-25 10:20:59 <Enas> $ mingw-get install libboost mingw-get.exe: *** ERROR *** libboost: unknown package  ealkawasmi@CC80AA94D2749 ~ $ mingw-get install lib boost mingw-get.exe: *** ERROR *** lib: unknown package mingw-get.exe: *** ERROR *** boost: unknown package  ealkawasmi@CC80AA94D2749 ~ $ mingw-get install boost mingw-get.exe: *** ERROR *** boost: unknown package
 564 2012-07-25 10:22:09 <Enas> does not work for me  .. :((
 565 2012-07-25 10:24:42 <Enas> please
 566 2012-07-25 10:24:49 <t7> 1 sec
 567 2012-07-25 10:29:10 <t7> i think you have to build boost yourslef
 568 2012-07-25 10:29:15 <t7> which is a pain in the bum
 569 2012-07-25 10:29:26 <t7> but there are guides todo it with mingw
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 575 2012-07-25 10:33:15 <Enas> ok am going to do it now
 576 2012-07-25 10:33:32 <Enas> but what are the expected output?
 577 2012-07-25 10:33:49 <Enas> is iit .dll or lib  and when i get them where top put them?
 578 2012-07-25 10:34:24 <t7> .a and .h
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 582 2012-07-25 10:40:11 <t7> whats the current block count?
 583 2012-07-25 10:40:38 <t7> 190000 ish
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 585 2012-07-25 10:48:17 <leotreasure> hello
 586 2012-07-25 10:48:31 <leotreasure> does anyone have any experience with abe?
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 588 2012-07-25 10:49:19 <Eliel> http://www.ted.com/talks/simon_sinek_how_great_leaders_inspire_action.html
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 602 2012-07-25 11:40:08 <t7> bloody insight quoted me £600 a computer when i can get same spec £400 ebuyer
 603 2012-07-25 11:40:20 <t7> i dunno why people bother with suppliers
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 624 2012-07-25 13:02:12 <BLZbubba> I have a computer with 3 nvidia cards, what is the best way to run with all 3?  it looks like the rpcmint-cuda may be helpful but all of the source i found so far hasn't been updated in a year or more
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 631 2012-07-25 13:22:09 <gambler> anyone alive ?
 632 2012-07-25 13:22:51 <gambler> so Im looking @ the raw tx output and I think I have it sussed
 633 2012-07-25 13:22:51 <gambler> http://pastebin.ca/2174531
 634 2012-07-25 13:22:59 <gambler> thats the raw of a rec
 635 2012-07-25 13:23:28 <gambler> get vin->txid & vin->n
 636 2012-07-25 13:23:29 <gambler> err
 637 2012-07-25 13:23:35 <gambler> get vin->txid & vin->vout
 638 2012-07-25 13:23:47 <gambler> get raw on vin->txid
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 640 2012-07-25 13:24:06 <gambler> http://pastebin.ca/2174533
 641 2012-07-25 13:25:28 <gambler> input address == where vout->n == vin->vout
 642 2012-07-25 13:25:49 <gambler> input address == vout->address->[0]
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 650 2012-07-25 13:42:11 <Eliel> BLZbubba: mining on nvidia cards has long been unprofitable. They'll eat more electricity than you'll get in bitcoins.
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 662 2012-07-25 14:01:21 <t7> how long have the signmessage verify message commands been in there?
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 664 2012-07-25 14:05:48 <Eliel> t7: at least since 0.6
 665 2012-07-25 14:07:55 <Eliel> looks like the GUI support was added during last january
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 668 2012-07-25 14:10:36 <Eliel> the first entry I can find about those is from September 2011
 669 2012-07-25 14:10:59 <Eliel> So, not quite a year yet.
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 689 2012-07-25 14:22:54 <t7> ;;gribble;getblockcount
 690 2012-07-25 14:22:55 <gribble> Error: "gribble;getblockcount" is not a valid command.
 691 2012-07-25 14:23:00 <t7> ;;getblockcount
 692 2012-07-25 14:23:01 <gribble> Error: "getblockcount" is not a valid command.
 693 2012-07-25 14:24:06 <gmaxwell> ;;bc,blocks
 694 2012-07-25 14:24:07 <gribble> 190696
 695 2012-07-25 14:24:48 <t7> my bitcoind has been on 177301 for ages....
 696 2012-07-25 14:25:11 <gmaxwell> During an initial sync? and define ages?
 697 2012-07-25 14:25:32 <gmaxwell> If the peer you're pulling from goes away you'll stop until the next block.
 698 2012-07-25 14:25:36 <gmaxwell> ;;bc,tslb
 699 2012-07-25 14:25:37 <gribble> Time since last block: 33 minutes and 22 seconds
 700 2012-07-25 14:26:00 <gmaxwell> so if ages is less than 33 minutes, have patience. If it's more then you may be broken.
 701 2012-07-25 14:27:12 <t7> 33 mins is like 10 hours :(
 702 2012-07-25 14:27:54 <t7> if i restart bitcoind will it find another peer?
 703 2012-07-25 14:28:58 <gmaxwell> You should already have 8 peers.
 704 2012-07-25 14:29:55 <gmaxwell> I'm not sure I'm parsing you correctly (I could understand that as "33 minutes is A LOT", or "no, it's really been 10 hours"), have you waited 33 minutes or 10 hours? :)
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 715 2012-07-25 14:55:04 <Eliel> my bitcoind appears stuck on 186591
 716 2012-07-25 14:55:16 <Eliel> it's also saying "WARNING: Displayed transactions may not be correct!  You may need to upgrade, or other nodes may need to upgrade."
 717 2012-07-25 14:56:20 <Eliel> hmm... ah
 718 2012-07-25 14:56:36 <Eliel> it's not running the current version like I thought :P
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 720 2012-07-25 14:57:27 <Eliel> teaches me to forget old versions into home/user/bin/ :)
 721 2012-07-25 14:58:19 <Eliel> ... oh wait, no, it was running the up to date package. I was just giving it commands through the old one.
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 723 2012-07-25 15:03:09 <gmaxwell> Eliel: is this a new install or?
 724 2012-07-25 15:03:17 <Eliel> no, older one.
 725 2012-07-25 15:03:22 <gmaxwell> Eliel: and what version are you running?
 726 2012-07-25 15:03:26 <Eliel> 0.6.3
 727 2012-07-25 15:03:42 <Eliel> the one from the ubuntu ppa
 728 2012-07-25 15:04:27 <gmaxwell> grep ConnectBlock ~/.bitcoin/debug.log
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 730 2012-07-25 15:04:38 <gmaxwell> See any ConnectBlock [foo] failed?
 731 2012-07-25 15:05:10 <Eliel> 07/25/12 14:57:51 ERROR: Reorganize() : ConnectBlock 0000000000000963030b failed
 732 2012-07-25 15:05:36 <Eliel> lots of lines of that
 733 2012-07-25 15:06:03 <gmaxwell> Eliel: K. now less ~/.bitcoin/debug.log and search (/) for 0000000000000963030b and pastebin the surrounding lines around the first failure?
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 737 2012-07-25 15:08:12 <Eliel> gmaxwell: http://pastebin.com/DDuTvxE0
 738 2012-07-25 15:08:45 <gmaxwell> 0_o
 739 2012-07-25 15:08:55 <gmaxwell> 07/25/12 03:38:37 ERROR: CheckBlock() : hashMerkleRoot mismatch
 740 2012-07-25 15:09:51 <Eliel> corrupted data perhaps?
 741 2012-07-25 15:11:20 <gmaxwell> Yes. Restart with -checklevel 6 -checkblocks 6000 arguments.. and see what happens.
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 745 2012-07-25 15:24:15 <Eliel> gmaxwell: is it normal that it's spent 10 minutes already doing that check?
 746 2012-07-25 15:26:06 <gmaxwell> Whats the debug log saying?  tail -f ~/.bitcoin/debug.log
 747 2012-07-25 15:26:19 <gmaxwell> It's slow, but it was only set to 6000.
 748 2012-07-25 15:26:45 <Eliel> the very last thing is:
 749 2012-07-25 15:26:46 <Eliel> 07/25/12 15:10:33 Verifying last 6000 blocks at level 6
 750 2012-07-25 15:28:15 <gmaxwell> Eliel: is it busy?
 751 2012-07-25 15:28:46 <Eliel> it looks to be doing something, yes. does not respond to RPC
 752 2012-07-25 15:29:01 <Eliel> eating one whole core at the moment.
 753 2012-07-25 15:29:23 <Eliel> ah, now something started happening
 754 2012-07-25 15:31:08 <Eliel> no errors right after that line I pasted.
 755 2012-07-25 15:31:20 <BLZbubba> Eliel: well i don't have a power surcharge here; and i am mainly just learning the tools.  i'll replace with ATI cards over time
 756 2012-07-25 15:31:53 <BLZbubba> but i have several different models, without SLI, so ideally i want to just point to a pci id
 757 2012-07-25 15:33:39 <Eliel> BLZbubba: even in that case, it'd be more useful to sell the nvidia cards and buy used or new radeons with whatever money you can get for them.
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 760 2012-07-25 15:35:56 <Eliel> gmaxwell: the hashMerkleRoot mismatch error appears a bit later, right after bitcoind receives it's first new block from the network.
 761 2012-07-25 15:37:40 <Eliel> gmaxwell: I could just wipe everything except the wallet to fix it but I'm not in a hurry so if you want me to keep poking at it to figure out what's up, I can do that too.
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 763 2012-07-25 15:39:11 <t7> ;;bc,blocks
 764 2012-07-25 15:39:12 <gribble> 190707
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 766 2012-07-25 15:44:15 <gmaxwell> Eliel: if you've got freespace you could backup the blockchain the nuke it.  Without going and reading for a bit I'm out of suggestions.
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 770 2012-07-25 15:47:02 <Eliel> gmaxwell: I'll do that.
 771 2012-07-25 15:50:34 <BLZbubba> Eliel: yeah well i just want to know what the best cmd line program is to handle multiple gpu's no matter what the brand
 772 2012-07-25 15:50:57 <BLZbubba> someone suggested diablo or phoenix
 773 2012-07-25 15:51:40 <BLZbubba> but google suggested i think it was called rpcmint-cuda
 774 2012-07-25 15:52:03 <Eliel> BLZbubba: it's different for nvidia
 775 2012-07-25 15:52:36 <Eliel> BLZbubba: also, it's a very hairy mess if you're planning to have both nvidia and radeon cards in the same system. might not even be possible to make work.
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 779 2012-07-25 15:55:55 <Eliel> gmaxwell: I renamed the .bitcoin folder, created a new one and then copied wallet.dat and bitcoin.conf over. I combined the contents of blk0001.dat and blk0002.dat into one file and am now using -loadblocks to preload that into the new folder.
 780 2012-07-25 15:56:04 <Eliel> curious to see if the problem reappears.
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 792 2012-07-25 16:46:55 <BLZbubba> Eliel: ok which one would you prefer for ati?
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 797 2012-07-25 16:58:36 <Eliel> BLZbubba: doesn't make a huge difference. as long as it's 5xxx, 6xxx or 7xxx series card.
 798 2012-07-25 16:58:59 <Eliel> BLZbubba: look here for more info https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison
 799 2012-07-25 16:59:28 <BLZbubba> sorry i meant which cmd line utility
 800 2012-07-25 17:00:17 <Eliel> BLZbubba: If I was to start setting up mining today, I'd probably use BFGminer.
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 802 2012-07-25 17:00:56 <Eliel> my current system is still using poclbm though. Mostly because it works and works well enough :)
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 804 2012-07-25 17:04:17 <graingert> Eliel: may as well use the optimum one
 805 2012-07-25 17:04:24 <graingert> otherwise it's a waste of pwr
 806 2012-07-25 17:05:36 <Eliel> graingert: my systems get the mh/s values to expect based on the info in that mining hardware comparison page.
 807 2012-07-25 17:05:59 <Eliel> graingert: so, there's no real reason to spend time messing with them.
 808 2012-07-25 17:06:23 <Eliel> if I ever get an FPGA or an ASIC, I'll likely switch to BFGMiner.
 809 2012-07-25 17:07:39 <BLZbubba> Eliel: cool thanks for the help
 810 2012-07-25 17:07:50 <BLZbubba> it sucks being such a n00b but hopefully that won't last long
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 827 2012-07-25 17:55:17 <andyrossy> hey is there anyway already provided by bitcoind, to, from a txid retrive the actaul transaction information? e.g inputs/outputs etc?
 828 2012-07-25 17:55:24 <andyrossy> i know you can getblockhash, then getblock etc
 829 2012-07-25 17:56:55 <luke-jr> getrawtransaction
 830 2012-07-25 17:57:31 <andyrossy> *looks*
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 835 2012-07-25 18:08:08 <andyrossy> oh lol
 836 2012-07-25 18:08:08 <andyrossy> ~
 837 2012-07-25 18:08:13 <andyrossy> i should read help more
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 853 2012-07-25 18:35:08 <unclemantis> question. What is the difference between the weighted average on mtgox right now $8.52246 and the 24h price through the blockchain.info api? http://www.blockchain.info/q/24hrprice $8.525378698964621
 854 2012-07-25 18:35:19 <unclemantis> besides the price
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 856 2012-07-25 18:46:15 <unclemantis> i think i will use this source https://mtgox.com/code/data/ticker.php
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 915 2012-07-25 20:36:21 <kakobrekla> where can i find nightly blockchain dump
 916 2012-07-25 20:36:26 <kakobrekla> that works with the latest client
 917 2012-07-25 20:37:43 <tcatm> kakobrekla: http://eu1.bitcoincharts.com/blockchain/
 918 2012-07-25 20:37:56 <kakobrekla> hm
 919 2012-07-25 20:37:58 <kakobrekla> i got an error
 920 2012-07-25 20:38:00 <kakobrekla> with this one
 921 2012-07-25 20:38:15 <tcatm> Did you use -loadblk=?
 922 2012-07-25 20:38:30 <kakobrekla> hrm no :o
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 924 2012-07-25 20:38:54 <gmaxwell> kakobrekla: what error did you get?
 925 2012-07-25 20:38:58 <jgarzik> -loadblock
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 927 2012-07-25 20:39:09 <gmaxwell> And loadblock is 0.7 (git) only.
 928 2012-07-25 20:39:11 <kakobrekla> well a shitload of different ones with all the combinations so far
 929 2012-07-25 20:39:21 <gmaxwell> kakobrekla: This is not super informative.
 930 2012-07-25 20:39:24 <kakobrekla> i know
 931 2012-07-25 20:39:34 <kakobrekla> but, we tried this debuging before
 932 2012-07-25 20:39:37 <kakobrekla> and its the same
 933 2012-07-25 20:39:41 <kakobrekla> at least one of them
 934 2012-07-25 20:39:42 <gmaxwell> For all I know you're complaining about the regular an expected messages related to transactions with unknown parents.
 935 2012-07-25 20:39:43 <kakobrekla> well hold on.
 936 2012-07-25 20:40:06 <kakobrekla> im just looking for a blockchain that works with the latest official public client or whatever
 937 2012-07-25 20:40:38 <tcatm> The client will happily download the chain on its own.
 938 2012-07-25 20:40:58 <gmaxwell> ^ that... also, that fact that any aren't working is suspect. Did you also try Luke's?
 939 2012-07-25 20:41:12 <gmaxwell> (the one here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=94881.0 )
 940 2012-07-25 20:41:12 <kakobrekla> no just this one and mine
 941 2012-07-25 20:42:01 <gmaxwell> kakobrekla: define "mine" ? If the client can't sync on its own then something is wrong and you should stop trying to replace blockfiles... it will eventually fail.
 942 2012-07-25 20:42:35 <luke-jr> kakobrekla: you want the blk0001 that gmaxwell linked probably
 943 2012-07-25 20:43:54 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: they want to fix their computer if its broken. No amount of changing files will fix a broken computer. :)
 944 2012-07-25 20:44:09 <kakobrekla> its not a broken compuater
 945 2012-07-25 20:44:13 <kakobrekla> wow nice typo
 946 2012-07-25 20:44:17 <kakobrekla> lets continiue
 947 2012-07-25 20:44:22 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: true
 948 2012-07-25 20:44:30 <kakobrekla> my elec died
 949 2012-07-25 20:44:45 <gmaxwell> kakobrekla: What happened when you just let it sync on its own?
 950 2012-07-25 20:44:45 <kakobrekla> and blokchan fail got corrupt
 951 2012-07-25 20:45:07 <kakobrekla> it didnt start bitcoin client
 952 2012-07-25 20:45:13 <gmaxwell> OKAY.
 953 2012-07-25 20:45:14 <kakobrekla> same message i got some weeks ago
 954 2012-07-25 20:45:24 <kakobrekla> when simmilar thing happend
 955 2012-07-25 20:45:27 <gmaxwell> When your replaced the blockchain what files did you delete?
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 957 2012-07-25 20:45:56 <kakobrekla> all but wallet and conf in the appdata
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 959 2012-07-25 20:46:14 <kakobrekla> anyway
 960 2012-07-25 20:46:21 <kakobrekla> trying to rerun now
 961 2012-07-25 20:46:56 <kakobrekla> aha
 962 2012-07-25 20:46:57 <kakobrekla> it says
 963 2012-07-25 20:47:06 <kakobrekla> "Error loading blkindex.dat"
 964 2012-07-25 20:47:10 <kakobrekla> there you go
 965 2012-07-25 20:47:24 <kakobrekla> i press ok - it dies
 966 2012-07-25 20:47:59 <kakobrekla> readme says
 967 2012-07-25 20:48:00 <kakobrekla> i have
 968 2012-07-25 20:48:01 <kakobrekla> i have 6.2 beta
 969 2012-07-25 20:48:22 <kakobrekla> lets see whats the last one
 970 2012-07-25 20:48:45 <kakobrekla> aha 0.63
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 975 2012-07-25 20:59:58 <Diapolo> try running with -debug and post your debug.log ... the blkindex.dat message is mostly not that helpful
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 977 2012-07-25 21:01:25 <bonks> I don't remember having this issue on debian 6, but I downloaded the compiled version of bitcoin 0.6.3 onto ubuntu 11.10, and ensured the bitcoind permissions are 755, but on ./bitcoind I get "No such file or directory" ... why is this?
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 980 2012-07-25 21:04:01 <kakobrekla> ah
 981 2012-07-25 21:04:03 <kakobrekla> he left
 982 2012-07-25 21:04:03 <luke-jr> bonks: you're supposed to use the PPA
 983 2012-07-25 21:04:04 <kakobrekla> well
 984 2012-07-25 21:04:05 <kakobrekla> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=gtsF2gTM
 985 2012-07-25 21:04:09 <kakobrekla> here the debug log
 986 2012-07-25 21:04:17 <kakobrekla> but i dont know how that helps
 987 2012-07-25 21:04:56 <kakobrekla> this is with blockchain-2012-07-25
 988 2012-07-25 21:05:14 <luke-jr> [20:36:29] <gmaxwell> (the one here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=94881.0 )
 989 2012-07-25 21:05:24 <kakobrekla> ok
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 991 2012-07-25 21:05:52 <bonks> luke-jr: apt-cache shows Version: 0.3.24~dfsg-1
 992 2012-07-25 21:06:01 <luke-jr> bonks: you have to add the PPA…
 993 2012-07-25 21:06:18 <bonks> oh, where do I find this info?
 994 2012-07-25 21:06:36 <luke-jr> https://launchpad.net/~bitcoin/+archive/bitcoin
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 996 2012-07-25 21:06:43 <bonks> thanks
 997 2012-07-25 21:06:58 <luke-jr> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:bitcoin/bitcoin
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1002 2012-07-25 21:17:32 <bonks> luke-jr: thanks that worked
1003 2012-07-25 21:17:38 <bonks> now to do the same for my debian box
1004 2012-07-25 21:18:56 <luke-jr> dunno if it'll work on debian
1005 2012-07-25 21:19:23 <bonks> nope
1006 2012-07-25 21:20:27 <bonks> nothing for squeeze
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1013 2012-07-25 21:29:38 <bonks> lol damn this vps can't even handle bitcoind
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1015 2012-07-25 21:34:48 <Eliel> bonks: yes, vps systems are usually a bit lacking in that department. Although, once it has catched up, it should be usable.
1016 2012-07-25 21:35:11 <bonks> oh, I was about to upgrade
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1018 2012-07-25 21:35:38 <bonks> well actually, it started once but ic an't get it to start without errors, gonna try restart
1019 2012-07-25 21:35:53 <Eliel> bonks: you could consider loading the blockchain on another system with the -detachdb option to bitcoind and then copying the directory over
1020 2012-07-25 21:36:20 <Eliel> bonks: you do need at least 256MB of RAM to run bitcoind but that won't leavy much for other stuff
1021 2012-07-25 21:37:09 <bonks> Eliel: to run even after it's synced?
1022 2012-07-25 21:38:17 <Eliel> yes
1023 2012-07-25 21:38:35 <bonks> Ok thanks
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1027 2012-07-25 21:41:06 <kakobrekla> hm
1028 2012-07-25 21:41:34 <kakobrekla> bitcoin-qt has 12 thread but uses only core or something?
1029 2012-07-25 21:43:32 <Eliel> kakobrekla: bitcoin-qt and bitcoind aren't too good at multitasking.
1030 2012-07-25 21:44:08 <kakobrekla> other clients are?
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1040 2012-07-25 22:19:15 <cheako> Hmm, looks like I was completely ignored on the debian-security list.
1041 2012-07-25 22:19:17 <cheako> https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=bitcoin
1042 2012-07-25 22:19:28 <cheako> Faling to build in i386.
1043 2012-07-25 22:19:38 <cheako> http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/bitcoin
1044 2012-07-25 22:21:44 <luke-jr> cheako: as expected
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1046 2012-07-25 22:22:21 <ku> Is there a way for my app to be notified when a transaction reaches X confirmations?
1047 2012-07-25 22:23:28 <cheako> Looks like it's only failing in the Bitcoin Test Suite, with missing files.
1048 2012-07-25 22:23:34 <cheako> https://buildd.debian.org/status/fetch.php?pkg=bitcoin&arch=i386&ver=0.6.2.2-1&stamp=1336915445
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1051 2012-07-25 22:24:14 <cheako> warning: comparison between signed and unsigned integer expressions
1052 2012-07-25 22:25:28 <luke-jr> ku: -blocknotiy
1053 2012-07-25 22:25:29 <luke-jr> ku: -blocknotify
1054 2012-07-25 22:25:42 <cheako> Looks like it compiled just fine.
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1059 2012-07-25 22:33:05 <cheako> ohh, Debian is not shipping boost.  So it looks like there will be no bitcoind also.
1060 2012-07-25 22:33:17 <luke-jr> wtf
1061 2012-07-25 22:33:19 <luke-jr> sure they are
1062 2012-07-25 22:33:28 <cheako> removed.
1063 2012-07-25 22:33:31 <luke-jr> when?
1064 2012-07-25 22:34:10 <cheako> http://release.debian.org/britney/hints/jcristau  <--- I have no idea what this is, but it's linked to as the reason bitcoin was kicked out of testing.
1065 2012-07-25 22:34:39 <cheako> # 20120607; done 20120608;  # get rid of boost 1.46 and reverse deps
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1067 2012-07-25 22:34:51 <jgarzik> hopefully in favor of another boost?
1068 2012-07-25 22:34:55 <cheako> There looks to be no boost, aside from the build system.
1069 2012-07-25 22:34:59 <jgarzik> it seems so unlikely that boost is simply deleted
1070 2012-07-25 22:35:05 <jgarzik> it's practically a core C++ library
1071 2012-07-25 22:35:34 <cheako> I doubt that, popular perhaps.
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1073 2012-07-25 22:36:22 <luke-jr> jgarzik: it does seem to be gone entirely :|
1074 2012-07-25 22:36:34 <luke-jr> I think I'm skipping Debian 7
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1076 2012-07-25 22:37:07 <cheako> It's not part of Debian stable...  so there should not be many applications using it as they are basically ignoring an entire userbase.
1077 2012-07-25 22:37:38 <luke-jr> wait
1078 2012-07-25 22:37:42 <luke-jr> the search just didn't like "boost"
1079 2012-07-25 22:37:46 <luke-jr> "boost-dev" comes up with 1.49
1080 2012-07-25 22:37:52 <luke-jr> in testing
1081 2012-07-25 22:38:08 <luke-jr> so now ask them why they removed bitcoind instead of just rebuilding it with 1.49…
1082 2012-07-25 22:38:13 <cheako> Yeah, never mind.
1083 2012-07-25 22:38:39 <cheako> Well, it didn't build on all archs.
1084 2012-07-25 22:39:52 <cheako> I can't find 1.49.
1085 2012-07-25 22:40:20 <cheako> ohh, my browser isn't working today.
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1087 2012-07-25 22:47:02 <jgarzik> pynode works on all arches <grin>
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1091 2012-07-25 22:56:58 <sipa> hi!
1092 2012-07-25 22:57:47 <luke-jr> hey sipa
1093 2012-07-25 22:58:32 <sipa> any important bitcoin news the past +- week?
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1098 2012-07-25 23:00:55 <jgarzik> sipa: hey... do you recall anything around protocol version >= 40000 && <= 50000, that changed in the initial 'version' handshake?
1099 2012-07-25 23:01:20 <jgarzik> sipa: my python script can talk to < 40000 and > 50000 just fine, but initial exchange freezes for the impacted versions
1100 2012-07-25 23:01:40 <sipa> hmmm, no
1101 2012-07-25 23:02:05 <sipa> hal's quiet version was the only thing i remember there
1102 2012-07-25 23:02:20 <gmaxwell> sipa: welcom back!
1103 2012-07-25 23:02:20 <sipa> but that was 0.3.20 or so
1104 2012-07-25 23:02:34 <sipa> gmaxwell: stil in Iceland :)
1105 2012-07-25 23:03:08 <gmaxwell> seeing a lot of users reporting stuck client, but I can't find any consistent trend in it.
1106 2012-07-25 23:03:30 <sipa> my dns seed was down by the way, up again now
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1108 2012-07-25 23:03:36 <jgarzik> sipa: we noticed ;)
1109 2012-07-25 23:03:43 <jgarzik> sipa: poor TD is over-dependent on DNS seeds
1110 2012-07-25 23:03:47 <sipa> i hope it lasts until i'm back
1111 2012-07-25 23:05:02 <sipa> anyway, see ya later
1112 2012-07-25 23:05:06 <luke-jr> sipa: wumpus and Gavin want to rename Bitcoin-Qt
1113 2012-07-25 23:05:13 <sipa> to?
1114 2012-07-25 23:05:18 <luke-jr> dunno
1115 2012-07-25 23:05:24 <luke-jr> right now they've made it say "Bitcoin" everywhere
1116 2012-07-25 23:05:49 <sipa> ok
1117 2012-07-25 23:06:09 <sipa> i'll read it later, i guess
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1120 2012-07-25 23:20:34 <jgarzik> in SignatureHash()
1121 2012-07-25 23:20:43 <jgarzik> what is the most commonly found SIGHASH type?
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1124 2012-07-25 23:24:35 <lianj> jgarzik: 1
1125 2012-07-25 23:25:05 <luke-jr> jgarzik: yes
1126 2012-07-25 23:26:39 <andyrossy> why are there so many forks/branches of bitcoind
1127 2012-07-25 23:26:49 <andyrossy> cant somebody make a bounty for "unifying" them?
1128 2012-07-25 23:27:02 <Diablo-D3> andyrossy: on github you mean?
1129 2012-07-25 23:27:05 <Diablo-D3> thats normal.
1130 2012-07-25 23:27:16 <Diablo-D3> people do local forks for private work, and they often DO get merged back in
1131 2012-07-25 23:27:20 <Diablo-D3> it doesnt make the forks go away
1132 2012-07-25 23:27:25 <Diablo-D3> its how git works.
1133 2012-07-25 23:27:37 <andyrossy> i get how git works, but, nobody is merging them back i feel.
1134 2012-07-25 23:27:56 <andyrossy> there's a merged mining thing NMC made that doesnt work with the wallets in many other forks
1135 2012-07-25 23:27:58 <Diablo-D3> they are, but you dont understand the process
1136 2012-07-25 23:28:07 <Diablo-D3> andyrossy: no, thats a different thing
1137 2012-07-25 23:28:08 <andyrossy> some are forked from bitcoin prior to having the ability to sign stuff
1138 2012-07-25 23:28:14 <Diablo-D3> nmc is a divergent fork
1139 2012-07-25 23:28:29 <andyrossy> NMC also realized a bitcoind client for merged mining?
1140 2012-07-25 23:28:33 <andyrossy> released*
1141 2012-07-25 23:28:41 <Diablo-D3> nmc screwed up, really.
1142 2012-07-25 23:29:09 <andyrossy> aside from that, many of the "alt chains" do retarded things, like, build process makes bitcoind, or the makefile still has that as a goal, but, that's not what im getting at.
1143 2012-07-25 23:29:27 <andyrossy> it's more so, there are quite a few bitcoind forks with slightly different functionality (not altchains)
1144 2012-07-25 23:29:34 <Diablo-D3> what Im getting at is
1145 2012-07-25 23:29:36 <andyrossy> it might be nice to unify some of the functionality :(
1146 2012-07-25 23:29:41 <Diablo-D3> bitcoin should have been a library.
1147 2012-07-25 23:29:55 <andyrossy> obviously.
1148 2012-07-25 23:30:11 <andyrossy> i remember somewhere a while ago reading about libbitcoin
1149 2012-07-25 23:30:15 <andyrossy> was that never completed?
1150 2012-07-25 23:30:25 <andyrossy> i guess would be a huge overhall
1151 2012-07-25 23:30:35 <Diablo-D3> I dont mean that
1152 2012-07-25 23:30:37 <Diablo-D3> thats something else
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1154 2012-07-25 23:30:58 <andyrossy> i never read what it was ~~ but i assumed it was what you were getting at.
1155 2012-07-25 23:31:28 <andyrossy> although, even if it was a library, wouldnt people have forked it in the same way?
1156 2012-07-25 23:31:45 <andyrossy> adding certain "features" to certain forks of libraries, and, not merging it back?
1157 2012-07-25 23:31:49 <andyrossy> albeit, nicer to edit/maintain.
1158 2012-07-25 23:31:58 <Diablo-D3> well
1159 2012-07-25 23:32:09 <Diablo-D3> most forks dont add core functionality
1160 2012-07-25 23:32:11 <Diablo-D3> even nmc doesnt
1161 2012-07-25 23:32:32 <Diablo-D3> nmc's magic happens entirely with whats encoded into the transactions
1162 2012-07-25 23:33:12 <andyrossy> right, but that wasnt pushed into the main branch after editting, and like i said it's even more funky than that, they forked a version that doesnt work with 'newer' version wallets
1163 2012-07-25 23:33:12 <Diablo-D3> so with libbitcoind you'd just tell it, like, bitcoind_init("namecoin", some_port, magic values, etc)
1164 2012-07-25 23:33:30 <Diablo-D3> they forked the most recent version of the time
1165 2012-07-25 23:33:37 <andyrossy> eitherway, i know over the last few months of playing, i've come accross quite a few "forks" for different things, with different quirks.
1166 2012-07-25 23:33:39 <Diablo-D3> its not that it doesnt work with upgraded wallets
1167 2012-07-25 23:33:45 <Diablo-D3> its that upgraded wallets didnt exist yet
1168 2012-07-25 23:34:29 <andyrossy> yes, I understand that, but, why didnt they request to have it put into the main fork after editting/testing etc
1169 2012-07-25 23:34:38 <andyrossy> as, it is just another version of bitcoind now.
1170 2012-07-25 23:34:47 <andyrossy> which lacks all updates.
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1172 2012-07-25 23:36:18 <Diablo-D3> wlel, the problem is
1173 2012-07-25 23:36:24 <Diablo-D3> namecoin never merged new bitcoin shit back in
1174 2012-07-25 23:36:28 <Diablo-D3> because thats not how they forked it
1175 2012-07-25 23:36:39 <Diablo-D3> and bitcoin itself, internally, is a fucking mess of code
1176 2012-07-25 23:37:02 <Diablo-D3> it really needs an entirely new properly compartmentalized design
1177 2012-07-25 23:37:11 <andyrossy> yes
1178 2012-07-25 23:37:28 <andyrossy> eitherway not here to argue so much ~~ just to vent a bit.
1179 2012-07-25 23:37:34 <andyrossy> the night is late >.<
1180 2012-07-25 23:37:51 <gavinandresen> I keep telling people to take a look at libcoin and see if it works... https://github.com/ceptacle/libcoin
1181 2012-07-25 23:38:10 <Diablo-D3> gavinandresen: is it still c++ + boost?
1182 2012-07-25 23:38:28 <gavinandresen> no idea, haven't had time to look at it.  I think it is.
1183 2012-07-25 23:38:41 <Diablo-D3> then its doomed to failure
1184 2012-07-25 23:38:51 <gavinandresen> okey dokey.
1185 2012-07-25 23:38:58 * Diablo-D3 hates boost so goddamned much
1186 2012-07-25 23:39:36 <gavinandresen> ... so go help Matt make bitcoinj do everything
1187 2012-07-25 23:39:51 <Diablo-D3> no, I went back to rejecting java
1188 2012-07-25 23:39:55 <Diablo-D3> although I wish him luck
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1190 2012-07-25 23:40:17 <gavinandresen> ... so help jgarzik and etotheipi do their python thing....
1191 2012-07-25 23:40:52 <Diablo-D3> gavinandresen: or how about I continue working on my "a base lib for C that isnt fucking shit" and then someday I complete that and write a bitcoin client for it ;)
1192 2012-07-25 23:41:10 <gavinandresen> Okey dokey.  Do that.
1193 2012-07-25 23:41:18 <Diablo-D3> I am =P
1194 2012-07-25 23:41:20 <andyrossy> mmm
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1196 2012-07-25 23:41:27 <Diablo-D3> C is a powerful language, people just dont use it right =/
1197 2012-07-25 23:41:32 <andyrossy> ^^
1198 2012-07-25 23:41:36 <andyrossy> I use C a lot.
1199 2012-07-25 23:41:41 <jgarzik>     ss << txTmp << nHashType;
1200 2012-07-25 23:41:41 <jgarzik>     return Hash(ss.begin(), ss.end());
1201 2012-07-25 23:41:53 <andyrossy> "powerful" is many ways, such as driving one to insanity.  yes..
1202 2012-07-25 23:41:55 <jgarzik> sigh...  nothing easy like txTmp.GetHash() alas ;-)
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1204 2012-07-25 23:42:13 <andyrossy> damn C++ operator overloadingssss why you bit shift it but it doesnt!
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1207 2012-07-25 23:44:13 <Bitxik> hi
1208 2012-07-25 23:44:19 <Bitxik> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=8091.0 can this patch be trusted to be used?
1209 2012-07-25 23:44:23 <lianj> jgarzik: implementing opchecksig is fun :)
1210 2012-07-25 23:45:05 <gavinandresen> Bitxik: I hope so, it was pulled into the... 0.6?  release
1211 2012-07-25 23:45:25 <Bitxik> where the hell is the download button?
1212 2012-07-25 23:45:49 <gavinandresen> does IRC have a download button?
1213 2012-07-25 23:45:56 <Bitxik> in the web
1214 2012-07-25 23:46:00 <Bitxik> i just see the source code
1215 2012-07-25 23:46:03 <Bitxik> must i compile it ?
1216 2012-07-25 23:46:08 <gavinandresen> oh, on github?
1217 2012-07-25 23:46:15 <gavinandresen> bitcoin.org has a link to executables
1218 2012-07-25 23:46:16 <Bitxik> yes
1219 2012-07-25 23:46:22 <Bitxik> i want the patch
1220 2012-07-25 23:46:29 <Bitxik> to be able to see the prv key
1221 2012-07-25 23:47:17 <gavinandresen> Pretty sure that's in the 0.6.3 release (executables available via bitcoin.org), but I tend to misremember that type of thing all the time
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1223 2012-07-25 23:48:22 <Bitxik> why is so slow bitcoin program booting? i get the splash screen for around 1 min
1224 2012-07-25 23:48:33 <Bitxik> before the gui coimes up
1225 2012-07-25 23:49:10 <andyrossy> o.O
1226 2012-07-25 23:49:38 <Bitxik> the tiny image of a wallet in the center of the screen
1227 2012-07-25 23:49:44 <Bitxik> it takes years to dissapear, what a pain
1228 2012-07-25 23:51:49 <Bitxik> let me download the last versino to see if 063 allowme to see the prv keys
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1230 2012-07-25 23:55:43 <Bitxik> damn
1231 2012-07-25 23:55:47 <Bitxik> even the installer is slow
1232 2012-07-25 23:56:16 <Bitxik> bitcoin is getting heavier each new version
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1234 2012-07-25 23:57:57 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: did you find a way to get debug info in Win32 builds?
1235 2012-07-25 23:58:23 <gmaxwell> er... Bitxik I'm pretty sure bitcoin has gotten _faster_ in almost every releases since 0.3.23.
1236 2012-07-25 23:58:50 <gmaxwell> The chain has become larger, but that doesn't have anything to do with versions of the software.
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1239 2012-07-25 23:59:32 <andyrossy> curiously, when it downloads the chain, is it worth making the 'verification' or whatnot multi-threaded now
1240 2012-07-25 23:59:43 <andyrossy> as many CPU's are multithreaded, and, many later blocks have many transactions?
1241 2012-07-25 23:59:49 <andyrossy> (not sure if that makes sense)
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1243 2012-07-25 23:59:59 <Bitxik> faster...