1 2012-07-26 00:00:00 <Bitxik> well
2 2012-07-26 00:00:11 <graingert> it's almost all IO bound
3 2012-07-26 00:00:13 <Bitxik> maybe an i7 can move it fast
4 2012-07-26 00:00:30 <Bitxik> i can't understand why it needs 20 minuts to boot
5 2012-07-26 00:00:32 <luke-jr> andyrossy: I'm not sure it can be - verification is kindof in-order
6 2012-07-26 00:00:33 <Bitxik> jsut the gui
7 2012-07-26 00:00:43 <luke-jr> Bitxik: sounds like something is wrogn with your PC
8 2012-07-26 00:00:57 <graingert> andyrossy: depending on what DB backend they use it might multithread transactions
9 2012-07-26 00:00:58 <andyrossy> surely, verification is in order in rgrds to blocks, but, transactions can be done in paralel?
10 2012-07-26 00:01:02 <Bitxik> its a pentium M 1,7 ghz
11 2012-07-26 00:01:09 <luke-jr> andyrossy: no, transactions have to be in order too :P
12 2012-07-26 00:01:11 <andyrossy> 3
13 2012-07-26 00:01:14 <graingert> db TX not btc tx
14 2012-07-26 00:01:19 <Bitxik> should be enough to move this thing
15 2012-07-26 00:01:23 <Bitxik> its not java based right?
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17 2012-07-26 00:01:34 <luke-jr> Bitxik: that's ancient
18 2012-07-26 00:01:40 <graingert> the ui is a bit of a pain
19 2012-07-26 00:01:48 <luke-jr> Bitxik: does it even run Windows?
20 2012-07-26 00:01:53 <luke-jr> try Linux, that's lighter
21 2012-07-26 00:01:54 <graingert> that should load really quick but be unable to do anything
22 2012-07-26 00:01:56 <Bitxik> i run xo
23 2012-07-26 00:01:58 <Bitxik> xp sp3
24 2012-07-26 00:02:04 <graingert> xp!?
25 2012-07-26 00:02:04 <gmaxwell> Bitxik: Bitcoin is, for the most part, a zero trust system. Every full node autonomously validated the complete set of rules for the bitcoin system for the complete history of the system.
26 2012-07-26 00:02:04 <graingert> with bitcoin
27 2012-07-26 00:02:12 <graingert> Bitxik: bad plan
28 2012-07-26 00:02:46 <Bitxik> i downloaded 0.6.3
29 2012-07-26 00:02:55 <Bitxik> where is the option to see the prv addres ?
30 2012-07-26 00:03:08 <gmaxwell> Bitxik: this means that you can be confident that the whole thing, through it's whole history has been created and run in accordance to the rules embodied in the source code (which you can audit). This means, e.g. that the creator couldn't have secretly and undetectably written himself a billion bitcoins to spend later when bitcoin became vaulable.
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32 2012-07-26 00:03:32 <gmaxwell> The cost of this is that initially bringing up a node takes a bit as it has a bunch of history to check.
33 2012-07-26 00:03:39 <luke-jr> Bitxik: get 0.4.7rc3 and tell us if that's any faster ;)
34 2012-07-26 00:03:47 <Bitxik> i will
35 2012-07-26 00:03:57 <Bitxik> oh but 0.47 is lower version
36 2012-07-26 00:04:05 <luke-jr> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=88826.0
37 2012-07-26 00:04:06 <luke-jr> yes
38 2012-07-26 00:04:16 <luke-jr> this will prove it hasn't (or has?) gotten slower
39 2012-07-26 00:04:26 <luke-jr> if 0.4.7 behaves differently, then try 0.5.6 too
40 2012-07-26 00:04:46 <luke-jr> try to make objective measures (ie, exact startup time) for each
41 2012-07-26 00:05:09 <gmaxwell> 0.3.24 took fooorever to sync the last time I retried it. >24 hours on a system that 0.6.3 syncs in an hour or so.
42 2012-07-26 00:05:18 <Bitxik> well, i open multibit and it takes 2 seconds
43 2012-07-26 00:05:25 <Bitxik> bitcoin-qt needs 1 min or so
44 2012-07-26 00:05:25 <luke-jr> multibit isn't a full node
45 2012-07-26 00:05:29 <luke-jr> it trusts the network
46 2012-07-26 00:05:39 <luke-jr> 1 min != 20 mins
47 2012-07-26 00:05:50 <gmaxwell> Bitxik: Multibit is a SPV node, it has a different and weaker security model. Though that doesn't have much to do with the startup time other than the initial startup.
48 2012-07-26 00:06:08 <Bitxik> 1 min is long enough for such a simple program to return a 20 min feeling
49 2012-07-26 00:06:12 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: I wonder if verifying 2500 blocks at startup is too many
50 2012-07-26 00:06:26 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: if you checkblocks 1 you'll only save a few seconds.
51 2012-07-26 00:06:27 <luke-jr> Bitxik: I agree with that, but it is different still
52 2012-07-26 00:06:39 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: most ofthe time is checking all the headers to sum up the difficulty.
53 2012-07-26 00:07:04 <Bitxik> that means the longer the blockchain is the longer it will take to boot?
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55 2012-07-26 00:07:08 <gmaxwell> Making that happen in the background is non-trivial because the index load is responsible for initilizing a bunch of stuff used all over the code.
56 2012-07-26 00:07:35 <Bitxik> i will make that test: remove the blockchain files and start bitcoin-qt without them
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58 2012-07-26 00:07:59 <gmaxwell> Bitxik: why bother? it will start fastâ you don't need to test that.
59 2012-07-26 00:08:08 <Bitxik> damnit it takes time even to close
60 2012-07-26 00:08:14 <gmaxwell> but then you'll have hours of sync time ahead of you.
61 2012-07-26 00:08:15 <Bitxik> it will, ok
62 2012-07-26 00:08:23 <Bitxik> well i can just rename the files
63 2012-07-26 00:08:38 <gmaxwell> you can corrupt your database that way pretty easily
64 2012-07-26 00:09:04 <Bitxik> while the wallet.dat is not touched i dont care
65 2012-07-26 00:12:25 <gmaxwell> ::shrugs:: you were complaining about waits.
66 2012-07-26 00:13:04 <Bitxik> okey i just tested
67 2012-07-26 00:13:16 <Bitxik> without the blockchain
68 2012-07-26 00:13:22 <Bitxik> and its lighting fast
69 2012-07-26 00:13:31 <Bitxik> just 3 or 4 seconds to boot
70 2012-07-26 00:13:52 <Bitxik> thats means the longer the log is
71 2012-07-26 00:13:52 <gmaxwell> Yes, I said so. (you call 3 seconds fast?! ... well in any case, thats the expected results)
72 2012-07-26 00:13:59 <Bitxik> the longer it will take to boot?
73 2012-07-26 00:14:09 <Bitxik> 3seconds vs 1 min
74 2012-07-26 00:14:10 <gmaxwell> Part of the startup time is checking the last 2500 blocks.
75 2012-07-26 00:14:13 <Bitxik> i call it fast
76 2012-07-26 00:14:41 <Bitxik> why he need to check anything? it was checked already
77 2012-07-26 00:14:47 <gmaxwell> Which means that that particular part of it doesn't get any slower once your have a chain that ends with 2500 high traffic blocks.
78 2012-07-26 00:14:48 <Bitxik> when was downloaded
79 2012-07-26 00:15:04 <gmaxwell> Bitxik: because your machine may have been shutdown uncleanly and corrupted the data at the end of the chain.
80 2012-07-26 00:15:17 <luke-jr> Bitxik: part of the problem is an ongoing DDoS attack on Bitcoin called "SatoshiDice"
81 2012-07-26 00:15:33 <Bitxik> usually program do not do this
82 2012-07-26 00:15:49 <Bitxik> satoshidice is a web
83 2012-07-26 00:15:56 <Bitxik> is also an attack?
84 2012-07-26 00:16:00 <gmaxwell> Bitxik: usually programs don't fail to operate unless they have absoluly perfect and correct data.
85 2012-07-26 00:16:31 <luke-jr> Bitxik: it's an attack that has a gambling game to trick other people into paying the cost of it
86 2012-07-26 00:16:58 <Bitxik> i dont get it,
87 2012-07-26 00:17:04 <Bitxik> i played satoshidice.com web
88 2012-07-26 00:17:06 <Bitxik> and i won
89 2012-07-26 00:17:07 <luke-jr> Bitxik: Bitcoin was designed with a mechanism to be resistent to this kind of attack, but that assumes the attacker doesn't have basically unlimited funding for it
90 2012-07-26 00:17:18 <luke-jr> Bitxik: the gambling just finances the attack
91 2012-07-26 00:17:27 <luke-jr> most of the time, you *don't* win
92 2012-07-26 00:17:36 <Bitxik> i end up losing
93 2012-07-26 00:18:08 <Bitxik> so playing at satoshidice web we are financing
94 2012-07-26 00:18:11 <Bitxik> a ddos attack
95 2012-07-26 00:19:39 <jgarzik> CheckSig does not seem difficult
96 2012-07-26 00:19:43 <luke-jr> pretty much, yes
97 2012-07-26 00:19:44 <jgarzik> CheckMultiSig seems annoying
98 2012-07-26 00:19:51 <luke-jr> jgarzik: ?
99 2012-07-26 00:20:23 <jgarzik> luke-jr: implementing said functionality for pynode
100 2012-07-26 00:20:55 <jgarzik> looks like it is time to Choose An ECDSA Lib.
101 2012-07-26 00:21:07 <luke-jr> Bitxik: by the time Bitcoin has that volume of *legitimate* (or at least, non-spam) transactions - probably at least another year from now - it will likely be transitioned to where merchants/banks/etc are running full nodes, and individual only run lighter nodes like Multibit
102 2012-07-26 00:21:07 * jgarzik grabs Joric's code
103 2012-07-26 00:21:21 <luke-jr> it will also mean another year for development to progress on optimizing Bitcoin clients for the higher load
104 2012-07-26 00:21:36 <luke-jr> jgarzik: careful, it has to support OpenSSL proprietary extensions
105 2012-07-26 00:21:40 <MC-Eeepc> so now dice is a ddos
106 2012-07-26 00:21:44 <MC-Eeepc> nice rhetoric
107 2012-07-26 00:22:25 <Bitxik> why there is no option in bitcoin program to import a prv key? i generated an address with vanitygen but now i have not any option to use it?
108 2012-07-26 00:23:03 <gmaxwell> Bitxik: You can import a private key using the CLI/RPC.
109 2012-07-26 00:23:15 <Bitxik> CLI/RPC ? is that a program?
110 2012-07-26 00:23:24 <gmaxwell> (and in 0.7 you will be able to do it via the gui console too)
111 2012-07-26 00:23:29 <gmaxwell> Bitxik: from the commandline.
112 2012-07-26 00:23:50 <Bitxik> where is the full documentation
113 2012-07-26 00:23:59 <Bitxik> of the commandline commmands accepted
114 2012-07-26 00:23:59 <Bitxik> ?
115 2012-07-26 00:24:12 <gmaxwell> The best is from the commandline itself.
116 2012-07-26 00:24:17 <gmaxwell> First you need to enable it though.
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119 2012-07-26 00:24:33 <luke-jr> Bitxik: it's not secure to import priv keys in general
120 2012-07-26 00:24:47 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: when was it added to -Qt?
121 2012-07-26 00:24:59 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: when was what?
122 2012-07-26 00:25:01 <Bitxik> i executed bitcoind.exe and nothing happends
123 2012-07-26 00:25:01 <luke-jr> import
124 2012-07-26 00:25:10 <gmaxwell> or moreover it's not secure to reuse addresses many times. but ::shrugs::
125 2012-07-26 00:25:19 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: 0.5ish?
126 2012-07-26 00:25:26 <luke-jr> reusing addresses isn't *insecure*
127 2012-07-26 00:25:39 <gmaxwell> Bitxik: "< gmaxwell> First you need to enable it though."
128 2012-07-26 00:25:39 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: AFAIK there is still no import in Bitcoin-Qt
129 2012-07-26 00:25:46 <Bitxik> how to enable it
130 2012-07-26 00:25:47 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: 17:18 < gmaxwell> (and in 0.7 you will be able to do it via the gui console too)
131 2012-07-26 00:25:47 <Bitxik> then
132 2012-07-26 00:25:51 <gavinandresen> Bitxik: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Running_Bitcoin and then https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Original_Bitcoin_client/API_Calls_list
133 2012-07-26 00:25:53 <luke-jr> OH, *console*
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135 2012-07-26 00:25:57 <luke-jr> missed that
136 2012-07-26 00:26:48 <luke-jr> we really should get a secure import IMO
137 2012-07-26 00:27:03 <luke-jr> that is, create another key internally and resend anything seen on the imported key to it immediately
138 2012-07-26 00:27:12 <gavinandresen> patches welcome.
139 2012-07-26 00:27:25 <gavinandresen> (but testing them is still the bottleneck)
140 2012-07-26 00:27:29 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: yeah right, except the 20 or so I already have that need testing :P
141 2012-07-26 00:27:59 <luke-jr> besides, secure import doesn't help Tonal, so not really in my arena of interest ;)
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144 2012-07-26 00:29:13 <Bitxik> anyone understand this line about electrum client?
145 2012-07-26 00:29:15 <Bitxik> Deterministic key generation: If you lose your wallet, you can recover it from its seed. You are protected from your own mistakes.
146 2012-07-26 00:29:38 <Diablo-D3> yes.
147 2012-07-26 00:29:45 <Diablo-D3> the random number generator is deterministic
148 2012-07-26 00:29:48 <Bitxik> what that means? i understand nothing
149 2012-07-26 00:30:40 <luke-jr> Bitxik: if you remember or write down the sentence it gives you, you can use that to recover a lost wallet
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151 2012-07-26 00:31:28 <Bitxik> okey
152 2012-07-26 00:32:13 <Bitxik> but whats exactly what you recover ? the prv password ?
153 2012-07-26 00:32:26 <Bitxik> both? the public and prv password?
154 2012-07-26 00:32:47 <MC-Eeepc> the house of cards that leads to that
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160 2012-07-26 00:35:43 <Bitxk> i am testing electrum
161 2012-07-26 00:35:46 <Bitxk> rlz
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163 2012-07-26 00:36:04 <Bitxk> i lost my passphrase
164 2012-07-26 00:36:10 <Bitxk> i can retrieve it?
165 2012-07-26 00:36:51 <Bitxk> got it
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173 2012-07-26 01:07:10 <graingert> lul?
174 2012-07-26 01:07:20 <graingert> sounds like a bad service if you can just recover it like that
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183 2012-07-26 01:22:22 <jgarzik> dare I ask... do we have any CHECKMULTISIG in the main chain?
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185 2012-07-26 01:22:42 <graingert> jgarzik: hai :3
186 2012-07-26 01:23:11 <graingert> I was under the impression this was done in the p2sh stuff
187 2012-07-26 01:23:36 <Joric> does anyone know how to generate more than 5 initial addresses in electrum? )
188 2012-07-26 01:24:35 <graingert> Joric: try #bitcoin
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190 2012-07-26 01:28:09 <Joric> oh, it's called gap limit (in expert mode) who knew
191 2012-07-26 01:29:22 <jgarzik> Joric: fwiw, your ecdsa_ssl.py was imported into pynode
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193 2012-07-26 01:30:33 <Joric> jgarzik, that one from brutus? i added get_secret function recently didn't commit yet
194 2012-07-26 01:30:44 <jgarzik> Joric: yes, brutus
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198 2012-07-26 01:39:17 <copumpkin> jgarzik: I believe http://blockchain.info/block-index/179630/000000000000098a0adb1934bee96bf43430257c9ed8759a219e45bf5758785c has some
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200 2012-07-26 01:39:49 <copumpkin> I count five blocks with it in it, but I forgot to tell my tool to spit out the tx ids
201 2012-07-26 01:39:56 <copumpkin> :P
202 2012-07-26 01:40:59 <copumpkin> I'll get the actual txids
203 2012-07-26 01:44:18 <copumpkin> here's one http://blockchain.info/tx-index/2507817/60a20bd93aa49ab4b28d514ec10b06e1829ce6818ec06cd3aabd013ebcdc4bb1
204 2012-07-26 01:45:31 <copumpkin> http://pastie.org/4333751
205 2012-07-26 01:46:03 <Joric> yick why tabs in python it's against PEP-8
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207 2012-07-26 01:55:20 <Joric> though not really found out it only says never mix tabs and spaces
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209 2012-07-26 02:02:01 <jgarzik> Joric: referring to my python code?
210 2012-07-26 02:02:22 <jgarzik> Joric: I'm a kernel coder. One tab == one indent level. If the code is too wide, break it up into smaller functions (methods)... ;)
211 2012-07-26 02:02:29 <Joric> yeah i just fetched pynode master
212 2012-07-26 02:02:42 <jgarzik> Joric: re-fetch, just pushed literally two seconds ago
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214 2012-07-26 02:03:00 <jgarzik> really we should turn this into python-bitcoin
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217 2012-07-26 02:03:49 * jgarzik is trying to keep things modular. core data structs, network messages, script, ECDSA keys
218 2012-07-26 02:04:26 <jgarzik> I readily admit I am no python coder, so anything that looks crazy... probably just means jgarzik doesn't know python
219 2012-07-26 02:04:31 <Diablo-D3> [09:57:38] <jgarzik> Joric: I'm a kernel coder. One tab == one indent level. If the code is too wide, break it up into smaller functions (methods)... ;)
220 2012-07-26 02:04:33 <Diablo-D3> even thats wrong
221 2012-07-26 02:04:50 <Diablo-D3> you should never create another function that just exists to be the internals of another
222 2012-07-26 02:05:00 <jgarzik> Diablo-D3: rofl
223 2012-07-26 02:05:14 <Diablo-D3> it should focus on a well defined concept.
224 2012-07-26 02:05:37 <jgarzik> that means to God objects and MEGAMOTHs
225 2012-07-26 02:05:41 <jgarzik> *leads to
226 2012-07-26 02:05:49 <Diablo-D3> nope
227 2012-07-26 02:05:54 <Diablo-D3> because thats the other end of it
228 2012-07-26 02:05:58 <Diablo-D3> code should be able to be read.
229 2012-07-26 02:06:05 <Joric> not a pythonista either mostly wrote c/c++ games
230 2012-07-26 02:06:20 <Diablo-D3> Ive written more C in my life than any other language
231 2012-07-26 02:06:20 <jgarzik> small, readable, debuggable. break up code into smaller functions, best for human consumption. compiler will inline what it needs.
232 2012-07-26 02:06:22 <Diablo-D3> its nearly perfect.
233 2012-07-26 02:06:37 <jgarzik> of course, if you are programming in Java, your code is broken by design anyway, so that doesn't apply
234 2012-07-26 02:07:27 <Diablo-D3> I hate how I had to write one part of lugh, though
235 2012-07-26 02:07:57 <Diablo-D3> due to how setjump is so goddamned braindead
236 2012-07-26 02:08:04 <Diablo-D3> I had to add internal functions.
237 2012-07-26 02:09:13 <Diablo-D3> setjump _must_ be called inside the function you're calling it from
238 2012-07-26 02:09:20 <Diablo-D3> you cant call it from a wrapper function
239 2012-07-26 02:09:36 <Diablo-D3> bastards.
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242 2012-07-26 02:15:16 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: fanquake opened pull request 1630 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1630>
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249 2012-07-26 02:30:36 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: laanwj opened pull request 1631 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1631>
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262 2012-07-26 03:37:22 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: luke-jr opened pull request 1632 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1632>
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264 2012-07-26 03:40:56 <Bitxk> ?
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266 2012-07-26 03:54:57 <midnightmagic> has anyone written scripting that can do coincontrol with the raw tx api yet?
267 2012-07-26 03:55:09 <midnightmagic> (on an address level)
268 2012-07-26 03:57:03 <t3a> !rank
269 2012-07-26 03:57:05 <gribble> #1 pool (88), #2 gribble (7), #3 faq (5), #4 wiki (4), #5 blockchainsnapshot (4), #6 website (2), #7 googlegroup (1), #8 bbe (1), #9 trade (1), #10 freebitcoins (0), #11 faucet (0)
270 2012-07-26 04:22:09 <midnightmagic> luke-jr: would adding an 's' to named structures might be miconstrued as a differently-named structure? Why did you quote 'return 0;' ? Finally, if you are settling on American spelling convention (canceled), why did you change zeroes to zeros?
271 2012-07-26 04:22:37 <Bitxk> what kind of "format" is the 51 character lenght prv key?
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273 2012-07-26 04:24:02 <luke-jr> midnightmagic: maybe; proper grammar; English spelling, though "zeros" is correct either way
274 2012-07-26 04:24:14 <luke-jr> also, I didn't change American spelling to English spelling or vice-versa
275 2012-07-26 04:27:09 <midnightmagic> luke-jr: I notice you are splitting up doublewords in some cases but not others. "ciphertext" for example you changed to "cipher text" but you didn't change "loopback" to "loop back", even though "ciphertext" is more common. Come to think of it, I don't recall ever seeing "cipher text" in the context of crypto papers like in iacr archive for example. That might make some people grin. :)
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278 2012-07-26 04:28:03 <midnightmagic> also you left "plaintext".
279 2012-07-26 04:29:15 <midnightmagic> luke-jr: "cancelled" is English spelling, and you changed it to "canceled", which is the American spelling.
280 2012-07-26 04:29:48 <midnightmagic> anyway, don't care in the end, but that kind of churn might make merging harder-ish for people.
281 2012-07-26 04:32:17 <midnightmagic> lol where's vrag anyway sheesh
282 2012-07-26 04:33:29 <copumpkin> hiding
283 2012-07-26 04:33:31 <copumpkin> he'll be back soon
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285 2012-07-26 04:36:10 <luke-jr> midnightmagic: pretty sure it was canceled -> cancelled O.o
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287 2012-07-26 04:36:24 <midnightmagic> luke-jr: er.. either way. :)
288 2012-07-26 04:37:28 <luke-jr> midnightmagic: is canceled actually valid American ?
289 2012-07-26 04:38:16 <phantomcircuit> cancelled
290 2012-07-26 04:38:27 <midnightmagic> luke-jr: American spelling has switched to the one-'l' versions but it's a 1:5 ratio of ll to l for those words it's changed for.
291 2012-07-26 04:38:38 <phantomcircuit> canceled is indeed the american spelling
292 2012-07-26 04:38:42 <midnightmagic> luke-jr: So not everybody got the memo.
293 2012-07-26 04:38:43 <phantomcircuit> i've always used cancelled
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295 2012-07-26 04:39:21 <luke-jr> same here
296 2012-07-26 04:39:32 <luke-jr> canceled seems more like a typo people are tolerating IMO
297 2012-07-26 04:39:33 <midnightmagic> you guys are in the group of people who didn't get the memo. :)
298 2012-07-26 04:39:42 <midnightmagic> latent canadians..
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300 2012-07-26 04:40:32 <Bitxk> :D i succed importing a key into electrum :D
301 2012-07-26 04:40:43 <Bitxk> i know no one cares, but i just say it
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303 2012-07-26 04:41:04 <midnightmagic> nooo, SuprTiggr come back
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311 2012-07-26 04:52:45 <MC-Eeepc> is it true that forest fixed p2pools strange inefficiency
312 2012-07-26 04:54:17 <Bitxk> no idea
313 2012-07-26 04:54:32 <Bitxk> anyone use electrum? i have a strange behaviour
314 2012-07-26 04:54:52 <gmaxwell> MC-Eeepc: it's old news.
315 2012-07-26 04:55:12 <Joric> Bitxk, like what
316 2012-07-26 04:55:15 <MC-Eeepc> so its true?
317 2012-07-26 04:55:32 <Bitxk> i succed to import a wallet into electrum, i mean, an address
318 2012-07-26 04:55:41 <gmaxwell> MC-Eeepc: Yes. like over a month ago.
319 2012-07-26 04:55:42 <Bitxk> now i close electrum, and i open it and address list is empty
320 2012-07-26 04:55:48 <Bitxk> i close it and open it again and its full
321 2012-07-26 04:55:53 <Bitxk> i repeat several times
322 2012-07-26 04:55:57 <MC-Eeepc> jolly good
323 2012-07-26 04:56:00 <Bitxk> and it continously alternate
324 2012-07-26 04:56:03 <Bitxk> between nothing and all
325 2012-07-26 04:56:15 <MC-Eeepc> now there is no reason not to use it
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328 2012-07-26 05:00:32 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,blocks
329 2012-07-26 05:00:32 <gribble> 190804
330 2012-07-26 05:03:44 <MC-Eeepc> zou did it
331 2012-07-26 05:04:00 <MC-Eeepc> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95738.0 shit just got real
332 2012-07-26 05:04:56 <Bitxk> one again?
333 2012-07-26 05:05:03 <Bitxk> once again*
334 2012-07-26 05:05:16 <Bitxk> mtgox get hacked continously
335 2012-07-26 05:06:11 <MC-Eeepc> no zou reused an old email
336 2012-07-26 05:07:40 <Joric> Erik Voorhees? His brother must be Jason.
337 2012-07-26 05:10:36 <gmaxwell> This is OT for this channel. move it it #bitcoin or elsewhere please.
338 2012-07-26 05:12:09 <MC-Eeepc> ok dad
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350 2012-07-26 05:53:15 <jgarzik> just run a query over the entire blockchain, looking at script opcode use
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352 2012-07-26 05:53:31 <jgarzik> I counted the number of times each opcode was used, in total: https://gist.github.com/3180470
353 2012-07-26 05:55:19 <jgarzik> p2sh -probably- not included
354 2012-07-26 05:57:19 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: can you do the same for testnet3
355 2012-07-26 05:57:20 <gmaxwell> ?
356 2012-07-26 05:57:30 <jgarzik> gmaxwell: sure, one sec
357 2012-07-26 05:57:39 <gmaxwell> (I want to see which ones are missing tests)
358 2012-07-26 05:59:12 <jgarzik> gmaxwell: https://gist.github.com/3180486
359 2012-07-26 06:00:48 <jgarzik> gmaxwell: you're going to make my life harder, by injecting tests into mainnet, aren't you? ;-)
360 2012-07-26 06:01:15 <gmaxwell> No. no. Thats what testnet3 is for.
361 2012-07-26 06:01:36 <gmaxwell> I mean I wanted to see if there were any missing in testnet3.
362 2012-07-26 06:01:42 <jgarzik> gotcha :)
363 2012-07-26 06:04:09 <jgarzik> on mainnet, there are exactly 182 instances of each of these opcodes: OP_2OVER, OP_2SWAP, OP_DEPTH, OP_IF, OP_IFDUP, OP_VERIFY
364 2012-07-26 06:04:25 <jgarzik> a new transaction pattern?
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367 2012-07-26 06:12:02 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: it's the word "SCRIPT" or something like that.
368 2012-07-26 06:12:28 <gmaxwell> That was a p2pool bug.
369 2012-07-26 06:14:37 <gmaxwell> sorry, it's lower case "script"
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371 2012-07-26 06:16:42 <jgarzik> BN_bn2mpi(this, &vch[0])
372 2012-07-26 06:16:53 <jgarzik> anybody know where MPI format might be found? my google fu is weak
373 2012-07-26 06:17:21 <jgarzik> maybe its something simple like 32-bit big endian ints, cat'd together?
374 2012-07-26 06:20:33 <theymos> Described here: http://www.openssl.org/docs/crypto/BN_bn2bin.html
375 2012-07-26 06:20:50 <copumpkin> "the representation of a"
376 2012-07-26 06:21:24 <copumpkin> oh
377 2012-07-26 06:21:28 <copumpkin> I see, right above that
378 2012-07-26 06:24:27 <leotreasure> hello,
379 2012-07-26 06:24:48 <leotreasure> i really need some help with Abe i think something is going horribly wrong
380 2012-07-26 06:25:18 <leotreasure> can anyone tell me how I can identify the progress of Abe syncing with bitcoind?
381 2012-07-26 06:25:29 <gmaxwell> how the @#$#@$#@$@# do I get a decode of a non-wallet transaction now?
382 2012-07-26 06:25:59 <leotreasure> specifically i don't know if this is a transaction hash, # or what ---> block_tx 185378 4317408
383 2012-07-26 06:26:49 <leotreasure> the syncing process has taken over three days and the space on the vps is using 14gigs
384 2012-07-26 06:28:21 <gmaxwell> sounds like abe sucks.
385 2012-07-26 06:29:41 <copumpkin> gmaxwell: what?
386 2012-07-26 06:30:47 <jgarzik> meh. i already require openssl for ecdsa, might as well use their bignums too
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391 2012-07-26 06:36:50 <leotreasure> gmaxwell: do you know what format (hash/tx #â¦) this block_tx number represents?
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402 2012-07-26 06:54:45 <leotreasure> gmaxwell: ah nm i found it - format is block number, transaction number
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422 2012-07-26 07:35:49 <luke-jr> jgarzik: sorry if it's obvious and I'm just too tired to realize it, but⦠what's the purpose in counting opcodes?
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428 2012-07-26 07:46:48 <weex> in testing bitcoind seems to parse <amount> if given in exponential notation
429 2012-07-26 07:47:05 <weex> it even rounds a sub-satoshi properly up to one
430 2012-07-26 07:47:31 <weex> is this behavior something that can be counted on longterm?
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435 2012-07-26 07:54:26 <midnightmagic> is there some sneaky way of translating from my .bitcoin/debug.log reference of orphan block 7013fe34aa2de9f1 to that orphaned block's full hash?
436 2012-07-26 07:55:17 <theymos> Hexdump blkxxxx.dat and search for that hex, maybe? (I haven't tried this.)
437 2012-07-26 07:55:40 <midnightmagic> hrm..
438 2012-07-26 07:57:04 <theymos> -printblock=7013fe34aa2de9f1 would print details, but not the full hash IIRC.
439 2012-07-26 07:57:17 <midnightmagic> ah good idea
440 2012-07-26 07:59:44 <midnightmagic> doh segfault
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484 2012-07-26 11:02:24 <Anoosa> hello I am trying to build bitcoin on windows 7 and get this error : cannot find -lboost_filesystem-mgw44-mt-s-1_49
485 2012-07-26 11:02:33 <Anoosa> I am using Qt Creator
486 2012-07-26 11:03:17 <Anoosa> and downloaded boost library and complied it
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489 2012-07-26 11:04:49 <Anoosa> I am building bitcoin under windows 7
490 2012-07-26 11:05:00 <Anoosa> I got this error : :-1: error: cannot find -lboost_filesystem-mgw44-mt-s-1_49
491 2012-07-26 11:05:10 <ersi> Yeah thanks, we saw your message three minutes ago.
492 2012-07-26 11:05:15 <Anoosa> I downloaded boost library and compiled it
493 2012-07-26 11:06:01 <ersi> Well, it's probably not in the right place or you havn't told the compiler where the boost library is located.
494 2012-07-26 11:06:12 <Anoosa> and got the lib file but it has this name : :libboost_system-mgw47-mt-s-1_43.a
495 2012-07-26 11:06:31 <Anoosa> where is the right place?
496 2012-07-26 11:06:47 <ersi> I have no idea. It's your system. :-P
497 2012-07-26 11:06:52 <Anoosa> qtsdk\mingw\lib?
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499 2012-07-26 11:09:02 <Anoosa> I need real help
500 2012-07-26 11:11:07 <ersi> I'd recommend either sticking around, plenty of people have what you wrote in their IRC history and might be able to help - or you could try finding a guide/tutorial/README that'd assist you - or sum everything up about your environment and do a comprehensive forum post
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503 2012-07-26 11:17:45 <Anoosa> ok
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511 2012-07-26 11:27:56 <Diablo-D3> gmaxwell: I feel funny
512 2012-07-26 11:28:12 <Diablo-D3> I just said, out loud, why the fuck are function calls so slow
513 2012-07-26 11:28:41 <Diablo-D3> I feel weird.
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527 2012-07-26 12:23:59 <Anoosa> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1401
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530 2012-07-26 12:25:50 <Anoosa> I did the same as they mentioned in the link
531 2012-07-26 12:26:00 <Anoosa> but I got an error
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533 2012-07-26 12:26:52 <edcba> so ?
534 2012-07-26 12:27:09 <Anoosa> http://penpaste.com/6kyv9f4
535 2012-07-26 12:27:32 <Anoosa> what to do?
536 2012-07-26 12:28:01 <edcba> wsock32 lib .
537 2012-07-26 12:28:02 <edcba> ?
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540 2012-07-26 12:34:49 <Anoosa> what do u mean?
541 2012-07-26 12:36:27 <Anoosa> should I add it this lib?
542 2012-07-26 12:36:37 <Anoosa> from where to get it?
543 2012-07-26 12:40:34 <Anoosa> !!!
544 2012-07-26 12:40:35 <gribble> Error: "!!" is not a valid command.
545 2012-07-26 12:40:50 <Anoosa> ?
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547 2012-07-26 12:43:36 <edcba> !*
548 2012-07-26 12:43:37 <gribble> Error: "*" is not a valid command.
549 2012-07-26 12:50:53 <Anoosa> :) I got u now u meant to add -lwsock32?
550 2012-07-26 12:51:17 <Anoosa> but till now its building widh it will solve the problem
551 2012-07-26 12:53:12 <Anoosa> it worked .....
552 2012-07-26 12:53:18 <Anoosa> yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
553 2012-07-26 12:53:23 <Anoosa> horrrrrrrray
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555 2012-07-26 12:53:50 <Anoosa> but did not execute .. :((
556 2012-07-26 12:54:08 <Anoosa> it gives me this mesage mingw10.dll is missing
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577 2012-07-26 14:39:00 <lianj> jgarzik: OP_NOP2 15 is more likely OP_CHECKHASHVERIFY
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602 2012-07-26 15:51:05 <luke-jr> weex: JSON defines the format of Number to include exponent notation, and bitcoind has defined rounding as a protocol rule to help out float-based clients
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604 2012-07-26 15:54:41 <BlueMatt> <luke-jr> BlueMatt: did you find a way to get debug info in Win32 builds? --> I never looked into that, the only thing I know about debug symbols on win32 is, if we dont strip, we get gcc debug symbols that are entirely useless unless you get gdb for windows, which essentially means installing msys, which is quite a package just to debug...
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607 2012-07-26 15:58:40 <BlueMatt> s/quite a package to debug/quite a package just to debug bitcoin/
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628 2012-07-26 17:00:10 <BlueMatt> anyone know off-hand the total number of addresses used in the chain or a recent number?
629 2012-07-26 17:00:57 <copumpkin> used?
630 2012-07-26 17:01:14 <copumpkin> distinct inputs?
631 2012-07-26 17:01:17 <copumpkin> or what?
632 2012-07-26 17:02:02 <luke-jr> distinct outputs, I imagine
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634 2012-07-26 17:02:09 <BlueMatt> distinct public keys
635 2012-07-26 17:02:12 <BlueMatt> or addresses
636 2012-07-26 17:02:26 <copumpkin> hmm, my code doesn't speak addresses yet, otherwise I could just run a quick query over it :/
637 2012-07-26 17:03:33 <riush> i got about 4682712 addresses (pubkey, hash160, multisig, p2sh) around block 187100
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639 2012-07-26 17:03:51 <BlueMatt> thanks
640 2012-07-26 17:04:14 <sipa> how many address with nonzero unspent outputs?
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642 2012-07-26 17:06:25 <sipa> +es
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646 2012-07-26 17:13:47 <copumpkin> sipa: too complicated, didn't test!
647 2012-07-26 17:13:51 <copumpkin> tc;dt?
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649 2012-07-26 17:14:54 <BlueMatt> sipa: I may do that later, it would be a nice api to have unspent outputs in bitcoinj indexed by address/pubkey/target, so I may do that later
650 2012-07-26 17:16:47 <BlueMatt> anyone have an opinion on suggested false-positive rates for bloom filters?
651 2012-07-26 17:17:00 <riush> hm yea that's gonna take a while :)
652 2012-07-26 17:17:23 <BlueMatt> ?
653 2012-07-26 17:17:41 * BlueMatt is writing docs for bitcoinj, and I'm putting in "suggested values"
654 2012-07-26 17:17:52 <riush> querying for all unspent outputs instead of only number of used addresses
655 2012-07-26 17:21:26 <copumpkin> BlueMatt: as small as posislbe within your memory constraints :P
656 2012-07-26 17:22:11 <BlueMatt> real question: how many false-positive addresses would be considered "anonymous" ie 5k addresses which are in the chain which are fp, is that "anonymous"?
657 2012-07-26 17:23:18 <copumpkin> oh, so the goal is to have high false positives
658 2012-07-26 17:23:25 <copumpkin> have you come across k-anonymity?
659 2012-07-26 17:23:31 <copumpkin> seems like what you're trying to capture there
660 2012-07-26 17:23:39 <copumpkin> http://epic.org/privacy/reidentification/Sweeney_Article.pdf
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662 2012-07-26 17:24:48 <copumpkin> seems hard to quantify address anonymity that way though
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664 2012-07-26 17:26:15 <BlueMatt> yea...
665 2012-07-26 17:26:37 <copumpkin> meaning that false positive rate in your bloom filter only tells part of the picture
666 2012-07-26 17:26:49 <copumpkin> but I dunno, depends what you're doing with it I guess :)
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668 2012-07-26 17:27:21 <copumpkin> everything else being equal, I'd probably feel safe with singificantly fewer than 5k people confused with me
669 2012-07-26 17:27:49 <BlueMatt> yep, it really depends on the use-case, but you still have to write docs with suggested values...
670 2012-07-26 17:27:59 <BlueMatt> "give me a %" is kinda poor docs
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672 2012-07-26 17:28:21 <copumpkin> what is this for?
673 2012-07-26 17:28:23 <copumpkin> I missed the context
674 2012-07-26 17:28:26 <BlueMatt> bitcoinj
675 2012-07-26 17:28:29 <BlueMatt> just the docs for it
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677 2012-07-26 17:28:55 <sipa> i wonder if a filter of the form "match all addresses that are bip30 derived from ..." is useful
678 2012-07-26 17:29:02 <BlueMatt> (writing bloom filter which filters transactions sent to a client to reduce bw and derserialization costs)
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680 2012-07-26 17:29:10 <sipa> for those who do not want anonymity
681 2012-07-26 17:29:36 <sipa> but also don't know how many addresses to precalculate
682 2012-07-26 17:30:03 <BlueMatt> bip30?
683 2012-07-26 17:30:18 <BlueMatt> I dont follow...
684 2012-07-26 17:30:23 <sipa> eh
685 2012-07-26 17:30:25 <sipa> bip32
686 2012-07-26 17:30:41 <BlueMatt> ahh
687 2012-07-26 17:31:09 <BlueMatt> I thought you could derive infinitely many addresses from bip32?
688 2012-07-26 17:31:15 <BlueMatt> would need a n param
689 2012-07-26 17:31:22 <sipa> no
690 2012-07-26 17:31:30 <sipa> that's the point
691 2012-07-26 17:31:56 <sipa> if the client does not know how many of the addresses are used already
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693 2012-07-26 17:32:26 <BlueMatt> given an arbitrary address, matching a bip32 base would require a lot of derivation work, no?
694 2012-07-26 17:32:27 <sipa> so the server can automatically add an address to the filter if it encounters an earlier one already used
695 2012-07-26 17:32:47 <sipa> oh, you need some lookahead parameter, yes
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697 2012-07-26 17:33:30 <BlueMatt> mmm...Im not a big fan of making nodes do that much work for a remote node downloading the chain
698 2012-07-26 17:33:37 <BlueMatt> seems like waaay too easy a dos target
699 2012-07-26 17:33:38 <sipa> like address >N+k shouldn't be looked for until N is used
700 2012-07-26 17:33:42 <BlueMatt> yea
701 2012-07-26 17:34:12 <sipa> it's much lighter than bloom filter matching with continuous updating
702 2012-07-26 17:34:35 <sipa> anyway, gotta go visit Reyljavik
703 2012-07-26 17:34:40 <sipa> Reykjavik
704 2012-07-26 17:34:54 <BlueMatt> have fun
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707 2012-07-26 17:38:27 <jgarzik> MagicalTux, on the forum: "As of today, we have received no contact from any involved party stating a police investigation is ongoing, nor any contact from any law enforcement agency regarding anything related to Bitcoinica."
708 2012-07-26 17:39:13 <jgarzik> so glad I had zero to do with Bitcoinica... and so glad we have MT and Charlie on bitcoin's side
709 2012-07-26 17:44:13 <lianj> so much to read. i just want to know how genjix explains him leaking the source (only after the hack happened)
710 2012-07-26 17:45:06 <luke-jr> lianj: is there real evidence of that?
711 2012-07-26 17:46:00 <lianj> yes
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713 2012-07-26 17:46:27 <luke-jr> just because the leaked git repo was cloned by genjix != real evidence genjix leaked it
714 2012-07-26 17:46:43 <gavinandresen> jgarzik gmaxwell TD and anybody else who might be interested in transaction fees: can I get some code review / ACKs on https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1590
715 2012-07-26 17:47:16 <jgarzik> could have sworn I already ack'd that, but apparently not. will re-review
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718 2012-07-26 17:47:51 <lianj> luke-jr: cloned and packed. maybe not real evidence but worth explaining, no?
719 2012-07-26 17:48:10 <luke-jr> lianj: many people use git clones on their servers
720 2012-07-26 17:48:26 <luke-jr> I think it most likely the attacker just tar'd up one of those
721 2012-07-26 17:48:42 <luke-jr> the fact that the files were owned by genjix is not surprising
722 2012-07-26 17:49:34 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: what is the use case for -blockminsize ?
723 2012-07-26 17:49:55 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: I understand -blockmaxsize and -blockprioritysize, those look OK
724 2012-07-26 17:50:24 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: luke suggested it; it is for the "I want to sort by fee, but include free transactions if there is room at the end of the block"
725 2012-07-26 17:50:32 <lianj> luke-jr: then he could still state that his box (one that he has an account on) was hacked. also besides one reddit post, his forum post was the first that made the link truely public
726 2012-07-26 17:51:12 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: I suggested some possible fee policies here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95837.0
727 2012-07-26 17:52:33 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: thanks, that post helps understand the context
728 2012-07-26 17:52:47 <lianj> luke-jr: if the hacker tar'd it he would prolly be root. or got it (non-root) with genjix's account
729 2012-07-26 17:54:35 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: perhaps CheckNewBlock should be merged first?
730 2012-07-26 17:56:03 <luke-jr> (unit tests)
731 2012-07-26 17:56:06 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: I'll re-test 1246 (I was ready to ACK until it didn't compile with my gcc last time around)
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736 2012-07-26 17:59:53 <jgarzik> lianj: OP_CHECKHASHVERIFY? you mean luke-jr's proposal?
737 2012-07-26 18:00:04 <lianj> yes
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739 2012-07-26 18:00:55 <luke-jr> jgarzik: yes, gavinandresen was running a trollbot on testnet, so I had to test it on mainnet
740 2012-07-26 18:01:12 <jgarzik> trollbot/
741 2012-07-26 18:01:13 <jgarzik> ?
742 2012-07-26 18:01:36 <luke-jr> jgarzik: it automatically stole CHV transactions in the context of non-CHV clients/miners
743 2012-07-26 18:01:55 <luke-jr> (like BBE)
744 2012-07-26 18:04:41 <lianj> have OP_NOP2 aliased to OP_CHECKHASHVERIFY in my code
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746 2012-07-26 18:10:14 <riush> sipa: 2127798 addresses with unspent txouts at block 187299
747 2012-07-26 18:13:53 <sipa> eh?
748 2012-07-26 18:14:24 <sipa> i cery recently counted only 1.5M unspent txouts
749 2012-07-26 18:14:28 <sipa> very
750 2012-07-26 18:16:32 <riush> oh, hmm.. might have messed something up then :p
751 2012-07-26 18:16:40 <midnightmagic> luke-jr: do you run something that auto-spends free bitcoins? someone said not to spend open tx into the blockchain because you autospend them on detection.
752 2012-07-26 18:17:03 <sipa> or SD messed things up very quickly, riush?
753 2012-07-26 18:17:23 <sipa> my data is maybe a month old
754 2012-07-26 18:17:51 <riush> hehe also possible. i'll rescan the chain and check again - could also be that i used different versions of the code during one sync or something :)
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756 2012-07-26 18:24:15 <gavinandresen> midnightmagic: if Luke isn't running something like that, it is extremely likely somebody else is. If your transaction doesn't include a signature check, you're asking to get it stolen.
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768 2012-07-26 18:45:57 <luke-jr> midnightmagic: yes
769 2012-07-26 18:46:29 <luke-jr> but that doesn't mean you shouldn't do it
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772 2012-07-26 18:49:38 <midnightmagic> gavinandresen: Putting small amounts out there might be an interesting experiment.
773 2012-07-26 18:50:21 <midnightmagic> luke-jr: thanks, just curious. it would be interesting to see a tx autospend race. :)
774 2012-07-26 18:51:18 <luke-jr> midnightmagic: mine is just a patch for Bitcoin-Qt that I run on my desktop PC
775 2012-07-26 18:52:50 <midnightmagic> luke-jr: Oh, you don't automatically do it on a well-connected relay? that's interesting.
776 2012-07-26 18:52:59 * midnightmagic looks up whether spending to an IP address is still possible..
777 2012-07-26 18:53:36 <luke-jr> midnightmagic: it's not especially poorly connected
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779 2012-07-26 18:53:52 <gavinandresen> luke-jr : miner_tests includes a "won't ever happen" test -- an orphan (missing input) transaction in the memory pool. It's causing problems with the sort-by-fee code.
780 2012-07-26 18:55:39 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: hmm, better to handle that possibility just in case some bug adds an orphan?
781 2012-07-26 18:56:03 <luke-jr> what if it wasn't an orphan when it got into the mempool, but became one later by a double-spend?
782 2012-07-26 18:56:18 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: actually.....
783 2012-07-26 18:56:21 <gavinandresen> double-spends aren't orphans
784 2012-07-26 18:56:30 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: that can happen during a reorg, IIUC
785 2012-07-26 18:56:37 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: otherwise, you are correct
786 2012-07-26 18:56:57 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: but the transaction that depends on the reversed one is
787 2012-07-26 18:57:15 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: reorg dumps into memory pool, because otherwise, dumping into orphan pool might result in transactions being zapped
788 2012-07-26 18:58:11 <luke-jr> IMO, the possibility of a bug getting an orphan into the mempool is significant enough that it should be tested and handled
789 2012-07-26 18:58:20 <luke-jr> even if they shouldn't
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792 2012-07-26 19:00:42 <sipa> any progress towards 0.7, by the way?
793 2012-07-26 19:01:01 <sipa> (w00t hotel with free wifi)
794 2012-07-26 19:01:53 <gavinandresen> The only thing on my "must have for 0.7" list is what I'm working on right now-- the sort-by-fee change for miners.
795 2012-07-26 19:02:13 <gavinandresen> Although what's the status of block propagation concerns?
796 2012-07-26 19:02:34 <gavinandresen> (and Luke's suggested patch for propagate-before-fully-validated)
797 2012-07-26 19:03:18 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: going to rebase your addnode stuff? it's very helpful when working with the new networking code.
798 2012-07-26 19:03:20 <midnightmagic> Does anyone have orphaned block 000000000000023d4293f434a240fe325933842ecf3112c70b48e1102d5bf216 in their blk*? and if so, can you getrawtransaction on its coinbase tx, 5e70cc8945b7c37f7d176ac26cb2072e1ceaccb9297b36a8cbe19c082dd89b57 ?
799 2012-07-26 19:03:37 <gavinandresen> luke-jr jgarzik : y'all are right, better safe than sorry, I'll make the CreateBlock code do the right thing even if there is an orphan txn in the mempool
800 2012-07-26 19:03:42 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: just got back from vacation today, Ill look into it later
801 2012-07-26 19:03:48 <gmaxwell> Fking getrawtransaction is not working on non-wallet transactions.
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803 2012-07-26 19:04:12 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: I think we need to have a group gettogether to test it
804 2012-07-26 19:04:15 <gavinandresen> gmaxwell: really? should....
805 2012-07-26 19:04:19 <midnightmagic> gmaxwell: You mean gettransaction? getrawtransaction seems to work okay for me so far..?
806 2012-07-26 19:04:24 <luke-jr> (fastblockrelay that is)
807 2012-07-26 19:04:56 <gavinandresen> luke-jr: did you test fastblockrelay with invalid blocks?
808 2012-07-26 19:05:02 <gmaxwell> midnightmagic: I have that block, and already tried doing what you're doing.
809 2012-07-26 19:05:05 <gavinandresen> (invalid-but-valid-pow)
810 2012-07-26 19:05:05 <gmaxwell> [bitcoin01@carbide80 ~]$ ~/bitcoin/src/bitcoind -datadir=/tmp/bitcoin01/ getblock 000000000000023d4293f434a240fe325933842ecf3112c70b48e1102d5bf216 | grep -A 1 tx
811 2012-07-26 19:05:07 <midnightmagic> gettransaction was switched back to wallet-only not so long ago i think because Gavin was worried people depended on it being wallet-only (so, past-consistent)
812 2012-07-26 19:05:07 <BlueMatt> re: fastblockrelay, can we do the "blocks are headers + vector<tx hash>" stuff first?
813 2012-07-26 19:05:08 <gmaxwell> "tx" : [
814 2012-07-26 19:05:11 <gmaxwell> "5e70cc8945b7c37f7d176ac26cb2072e1ceaccb9297b36a8cbe19c082dd89b57",
815 2012-07-26 19:05:13 <gmaxwell> [bitcoin01@carbide80 ~]$ ~/bitcoin/src/bitcoind -datadir=/tmp/bitcoin01/ getrawtransaction 5e70cc8945b7c37f7d176ac26cb2072e1ceaccb9297b36a8cbe19c082dd89b57
816 2012-07-26 19:05:16 <gmaxwell> error: {"code":-5,"message":"No information available about transaction"}
817 2012-07-26 19:05:19 <gmaxwell> [bitcoin01@carbide80 ~]$
818 2012-07-26 19:05:19 <luke-jr> gavinandresen: no, I haven't tested it at all - it needs a group IMO
819 2012-07-26 19:05:49 <midnightmagic> gmaxwell: Yeah, but try the next ones, all the ones I tested so far work fine. Like 9fc16d59c11503e89d15f4063048eab1aa9d9631cb1eae0bfdabec6956fd6dd2
820 2012-07-26 19:06:07 <gmaxwell> 0_o
821 2012-07-26 19:06:12 <gmaxwell> it's just that coinbase it doesn't work on?!@
822 2012-07-26 19:06:18 <midnightmagic> gmaxwell: I know you have. I became curious about it specifically because you were complaining about it in #p2pool
823 2012-07-26 19:06:19 <gmaxwell> I see.
824 2012-07-26 19:06:29 <midnightmagic> gmaxwell: Try the coinbase of another orphan.
825 2012-07-26 19:06:40 <sipa> gmaxwell: you're not accidentally running ultraprune code, as that removes the ability to getrawtransaction
826 2012-07-26 19:06:45 <gmaxwell> I had just ass_u_me_d that the api calls dropped non-wallet txn.
827 2012-07-26 19:06:46 <sipa> ?
828 2012-07-26 19:06:53 <gmaxwell> sipa: no, that node isn't ultraprune.
829 2012-07-26 19:06:55 <sipa> ok
830 2012-07-26 19:06:59 <midnightmagic> gmaxwell: I was trying to translate one of the reorg block hash to a real hash so I could getblock on it last night when I had to go sleep..
831 2012-07-26 19:07:07 <gmaxwell> it's git master as of 12e5881c
832 2012-07-26 19:07:30 <luke-jr> gmaxwell: my blk0001 index also breaks getrawtxn
833 2012-07-26 19:07:38 <sipa> haven't follow git master developments the past two weeks
834 2012-07-26 19:07:44 <gmaxwell> luke-jr: right, this node isn't pruned.
835 2012-07-26 19:07:52 <gmaxwell> And this block is also new.
836 2012-07-26 19:08:19 <midnightmagic> lol wth does this mean: "07/26/12 18:51:10 REORGANIZE: Disconnect 0 blocks; 81ea778dcb50081c..81ea778dcb50081c"
837 2012-07-26 19:08:26 <luke-jr> BlueMatt: fastblockrelay probably needs to eliminate the bandwidth impact too
838 2012-07-26 19:08:44 <midnightmagic> cool: InvalidChainFound: invalid block=7307e584d6eaa80d height=190906
839 2012-07-26 19:08:50 <sipa> midnightmagic: it means you did a reorg without any disconnects
840 2012-07-26 19:08:50 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: CreateNewBlock() always did a final ConnectInputs, so it should always DTRT WRT orphans
841 2012-07-26 19:09:02 <BlueMatt> I just hate the forward-block-before-checking stuff, even if its hard and you mark it as such, it just seems a waste...
842 2012-07-26 19:09:03 <gmaxwell> midnightmagic: I guess we just can't getrawtransaction orphaned coinbases, because they're not in the index.
843 2012-07-26 19:09:10 <gmaxwell> kinda stinks for troubleshooting.
844 2012-07-26 19:09:32 <jgarzik> gmaxwell: really, we need a snapshotting filesystem that stores the entire state for each tree (chain) fork
845 2012-07-26 19:09:34 <sipa> gmaxwell: i intend to add an optional txindex to ultraprune
846 2012-07-26 19:09:48 <sipa> gmaxwell: independent of the connected chain
847 2012-07-26 19:10:13 <midnightmagic> gmaxwell: 7013fe34aa2de9f1 is another orphan but I've been having trouble retrieving the full block hash. does -printblocktree work for you?
848 2012-07-26 19:11:24 <gmaxwell> midnightmagic: I can't getblock a partial hash...
849 2012-07-26 19:12:40 <midnightmagic> gmaxwell: me neither. I thought if i printblocktree I could just grep for it, but since the last time I used it, it's been gummed up and makes no visual sense (and doesn't bring full blockhashes in any event) anymore.
850 2012-07-26 19:12:52 <midnightmagic> s/bring/print/
851 2012-07-26 19:13:14 <jgarzik> for pynode, I'm liking a dual-tx index approach:
852 2012-07-26 19:13:22 <jgarzik> one full index with all id's, and one with just unspent stuff
853 2012-07-26 19:13:31 <midnightmagic> so.. as far as I can tell, there's no way to use normal bitcoind calls to go from the stuff in debug.log to real data.
854 2012-07-26 19:13:40 <jgarzik> the unspent-index is what gets hit hard
855 2012-07-26 19:14:03 <midnightmagic> gavinandresen: Should I open an issue?
856 2012-07-26 19:14:06 <jgarzik> disk space is not a concern, only working set size
857 2012-07-26 19:14:35 <gmaxwell> midnightmagic: see the discussion on https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1426
858 2012-07-26 19:14:41 <midnightmagic> ok
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860 2012-07-26 19:17:43 <gmaxwell> gavinandresen: did you and jeff come to any meeting of the minds on testnet protocol version stuff?
861 2012-07-26 19:18:12 <midnightmagic> gmaxwell: ಠ_à²
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864 2012-07-26 19:21:59 <gmaxwell> midnightmagic: yea, it seems obvious enough to me. :) But also not worth arguing over.
865 2012-07-26 19:22:24 <midnightmagic> gmaxwell: So was there some outcome from that that I'm just not aware of? bah. one more patch i have to maintain myself. :(
866 2012-07-26 19:22:52 <gmaxwell> Well, I'm the only person commenting on that pull request saying that it should log the whole hash.
867 2012-07-26 19:23:35 <gmaxwell> And I'm unwilling to bludgeon people over the parameters to a blinking subtring operation.
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872 2012-07-26 19:27:40 <midnightmagic> #define BLOCKSUBSTR 48
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874 2012-07-26 19:28:53 <gmaxwell> Yea, though this won't help me much when I'm trying to help some poor sucker who's sent me a debug.log.
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876 2012-07-26 19:33:04 <Icoin> hi, can someone tell me why my bitcoind does have like 10 connections but dnt get any blocks ? http://pastebin.com/gnGZJWax
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879 2012-07-26 19:49:24 <gmaxwell> Icoin: how long has it been running?
880 2012-07-26 19:49:49 <Icoin> ok its running now
881 2012-07-26 19:50:03 <Icoin> i deleted everything and recompiled
882 2012-07-26 19:50:09 <Icoin> thanks
883 2012-07-26 19:50:31 <Icoin> gmaxwell it was running like 10 mins
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890 2012-07-26 20:03:58 <jgarzik> This is the 'bitcoin' sub-directory of pynode: https://github.com/jgarzik/pynode/tree/master/bitcoin
891 2012-07-26 20:04:15 <jgarzik> hopefully that becomes a "python-bitcoin" package, perhaps reuseable by others
892 2012-07-26 20:04:50 <jgarzik> luke-jr: I'd be interested in a "what needs to change for python3" review, as I've little p3 knowledge
893 2012-07-26 20:05:23 <jgarzik> well, I'm of very little python skill in general... :) ... but even less with python3
894 2012-07-26 20:05:46 <jgarzik> general python code suggestions welcome too
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902 2012-07-26 20:10:46 <helo> i'm glad you released that before i started trying to get caesure up to speed
903 2012-07-26 20:13:36 <helo> would pyopencl speed up pynode syncing??
904 2012-07-26 20:15:08 <gmaxwell> Like a rocket motor helps a cow chew its cud.
905 2012-07-26 20:16:28 <helo> was afraid of that :)
906 2012-07-26 20:19:55 <luke-jr> jgarzik: Eloipool's "bitcoin" subdir would fit well in a python-bitcoin pkg
907 2012-07-26 20:20:10 <jgarzik> note the massive caveats in 'TODO'... it will sync a blockchain, but script verf and chain reorg (major, needed features for security) remain incomplete
908 2012-07-26 20:20:21 <jgarzik> still a dev-only release
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912 2012-07-26 20:26:55 <luke-jr> bitcoind is using ~/.bitcoin/testnet/ again? O.o
913 2012-07-26 20:29:08 <gmaxwell> 0_o
914 2012-07-26 20:29:54 <gmaxwell> util.cpp: path /= "testnet3";
915 2012-07-26 20:32:32 <jgarzik> luke-jr: just looked at Eloipool's bitcoin subdir... I think I cover most of that already
916 2012-07-26 20:32:52 <luke-jr> jgarzik: ah, ok
917 2012-07-26 20:32:59 <jgarzik> luke-jr: TX assembling and disassembling code is absent perhaps, but most other stuff is covered
918 2012-07-26 20:33:46 <luke-jr> jgarzik: well, an important part of designing it was to not do anything unnecessary, since Eloipool is usually doing txn stuff in the busy sections
919 2012-07-26 20:34:09 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: gavinandresen opened pull request 1633 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1633>
920 2012-07-26 20:34:12 <luke-jr> so maybe not the best fit anyway
921 2012-07-26 20:35:05 <luke-jr> anyhow, something is broken with my testnet - it's trying to use /testnet/ (not /testnet3/) and dies as soon as I getwork it (not today-new - I'm testing with an old master)
922 2012-07-26 20:35:17 <luke-jr> but I gotta run, will debug more later
923 2012-07-26 20:35:47 <BlueMatt> why are we still spending time on testnet3 network connections? we didnt bother to solve this problem on testnet2, and it seems like a waste of effort, no?
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927 2012-07-26 20:43:53 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: given that it makes testnet useless, answering that question in the negative sort of implies giving up on testnet completely
928 2012-07-26 20:44:20 <BlueMatt> I was under the impression we use #testnet3 on irc for testnet3 seeding again?
929 2012-07-26 20:44:31 <gavinandresen> yes
930 2012-07-26 20:44:53 <BlueMatt> worst case `alias bitcoind=rm ~/.bitcoin/peers.dat; bitcoind`
931 2012-07-26 20:45:45 <gavinandresen> ~/.bitcoin/testnet3/peers.dat
932 2012-07-26 20:45:49 <BlueMatt> sorry
933 2012-07-26 20:46:06 <gavinandresen> (I just did that to test the patch....)
934 2012-07-26 20:50:11 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: (re IRC) yes, but then we start to connect, and download addresses from testnet 1/2 clients
935 2012-07-26 20:50:19 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: ...and then start connecting to them all, etc...
936 2012-07-26 20:50:42 <jgarzik> spreading their addresses, even if you're testnet3 and they're not
937 2012-07-26 20:51:16 <BlueMatt> so we patch testnet3 stuff and debate about it, so that we can add a patch which can then be removed when 0.7 is released?
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939 2012-07-26 20:53:14 <gavinandresen> huh? the patch will stay
940 2012-07-26 20:53:59 <BlueMatt> s/then be removed/then be useless and could have been skipped at that point/
941 2012-07-26 20:54:27 <gavinandresen> we have lots of code that is "should be removed at some point"
942 2012-07-26 20:54:35 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: what should be removed?
943 2012-07-26 20:54:37 <gavinandresen> ... and we eventually remove it
944 2012-07-26 20:54:37 <BlueMatt> so lets add more?
945 2012-07-26 20:54:51 <gmaxwell> oh the testnet protocol version workaround? "meh"
946 2012-07-26 20:55:06 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: commit e0e54740b10e28dac2fe7aa9b461e956452e9649 is confusing
947 2012-07-26 20:55:06 <gmaxwell> Testnet usability is quite poor now, something must be done about it.
948 2012-07-26 20:55:22 <BlueMatt> release 0.7, done?
949 2012-07-26 20:55:30 <BlueMatt> why bother fixing it on master?
950 2012-07-26 20:55:39 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: No, testnet will be unusable in 0.7 release too.
951 2012-07-26 20:55:44 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: #1, comment is incorrect. It is known that orphans in mempool may happen during reorg. TX mempool code also knows this.
952 2012-07-26 20:55:57 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: #2, we call ConnectInputs, so the code appears redundant?
953 2012-07-26 20:55:58 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: after a reasonable upgrade time, it would be perfectly useable, no?
954 2012-07-26 20:56:04 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: so long as there are a lot of older nodes out there it is _very_ likely that all 8 of your outbound slots will be to useless nodes.
955 2012-07-26 20:56:30 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: this hasn't turned out to be true for the other testnet rule change.
956 2012-07-26 20:56:44 <BlueMatt> are the testnet node version counts that old?
957 2012-07-26 20:57:04 <gmaxwell> People are a little less agressive in upgrading testnet, I think...
958 2012-07-26 20:57:18 <BlueMatt> oh, I would have guessed more
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960 2012-07-26 20:57:32 <jgarzik> I'm surprised at how many testnet nodes exist, at all
961 2012-07-26 20:57:32 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: I suspect we're talking about two different kinds of 'orphans'
962 2012-07-26 20:58:21 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: you added a check for missing inputs... ConnectInputs does that too
963 2012-07-26 20:58:52 <gavinandresen> Right. And ConnectInputs is always called before adding to the memory pool
964 2012-07-26 20:59:15 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: Right. And ConnectInputs is called _again_ when building a block, on purpose, for reasons like this.
965 2012-07-26 20:59:19 <gavinandresen> ... therefore, the "This should never happen" comment is correct. I should have used a different word for the commit message "missing parent
966 2012-07-26 20:59:27 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: look down in the same function you modified...
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969 2012-07-26 21:00:07 <gavinandresen> Right. Luke added a test case that calls mempool.AddUnchecked with a transaction that has a missing parent
970 2012-07-26 21:00:37 <gavinandresen> ... which messed up the transaction-fee-calculation code and prompted that commit
971 2012-07-26 21:01:03 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: ok? Even without your change, that means ConnectInputs will fail, and that TX will not get included
972 2012-07-26 21:01:30 <gmaxwell> sipa: did you ever finish that peer rotation code? It would be helpful for the problems testnet3 has.
973 2012-07-26 21:02:23 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: I see, you're suggesting the code could be simpler....
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976 2012-07-26 21:04:11 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: there's a difference between missing a parent (which should never happen) and having a parent that got re-organized away from you, though (which would cause ConnectInputs to fail)
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980 2012-07-26 21:15:49 <gmaxwell> gavinandresen: " What's the migration plan" just break it. I'll fix my node to skip the checks, and feed the new nodes.
981 2012-07-26 21:15:56 <gmaxwell> There are only 9 nodes in #bitcoinTEST3.
982 2012-07-26 21:16:19 <gavinandresen> ok, then go for it
983 2012-07-26 21:16:35 <gmaxwell> K.
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985 2012-07-26 21:17:04 <gavinandresen> just make sure eleven is one of the new magic bytes and I'll be happy.
986 2012-07-26 21:18:07 <gavinandresen> actually, make them 11 and 0x11 and 011 and 111 and I'll be really happy
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1000 2012-07-26 21:36:35 <gmaxwell> weird.
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1002 2012-07-26 21:37:02 <gmaxwell> I have three connections from freaky nodes that don't care about the protocol version.
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1006 2012-07-26 21:37:28 <gmaxwell> oh I guess they're just connections that aren't up yet.
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1009 2012-07-26 21:42:02 <gmaxwell> gavinandresen: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1634 ? I've got two nodes running that and successfully migrated the blockchain.
1010 2012-07-26 21:42:21 <gavinandresen> gmaxwell: cool. IP address that I can connect to?
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1012 2012-07-26 21:45:06 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: gmaxwell opened pull request 1634 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1634>
1013 2012-07-26 21:46:29 <MC-Eeepc> i cant believe the txn pol is about 3000 now
1014 2012-07-26 21:48:15 <D34TH> wait a minute, 11 fetish?
1015 2012-07-26 21:48:20 <D34TH> meh
1016 2012-07-26 21:48:25 <D34TH> who am i to judge
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1018 2012-07-26 21:53:02 <jgarzik> gavinandresen gmaxwell: pchMessageStart ACK.
1019 2012-07-26 21:53:23 <jgarzik> gavinandresen gmaxwell: change IRC to #testnet4, or leave as is?
1020 2012-07-26 21:53:38 <gmaxwell> with only 9 nodes in #testnet3 it hardly matters.
1021 2012-07-26 21:53:42 <jgarzik> ok
1022 2012-07-26 21:53:54 <gmaxwell> it happily tries connecting and fails.
1023 2012-07-26 21:54:08 <gavinandresen> ... over and over and over again....
1024 2012-07-26 21:54:29 <gmaxwell> The retries back off though.
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1026 2012-07-26 22:00:47 <gavinandresen> testing to see what happens if I don't erase testnet3/blk* ....
1027 2012-07-26 22:02:26 <gmaxwell> I tested not deleting the peers.dat, and it rejected it and replaced it. But indeed, I didn't test the blk/index.
1028 2012-07-26 22:02:57 <gavinandresen> Starting with 500-something blocks, it's happily appending to the old blk0001.dat
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1030 2012-07-26 22:03:19 <gavinandresen> blkindex.dat doesn't have magic numbers in it
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1032 2012-07-26 22:04:12 <gavinandresen> ... so it might Just Work. I suspect bad things might happen if it tried to validate a transaction spending from one of those first 500 blocks, though
1033 2012-07-26 22:04:14 <jgarzik> should have a testnet3 v2 node up in a few minutes, with public incoming
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1035 2012-07-26 22:10:18 <gavinandresen> so far so good, I spent block1's 50BTC and my mixed testnet node accepted it into it's wallet.
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1038 2012-07-26 22:19:49 <jgarzik> apropos of nothing... figuring out how to properly index multiple chains sure is a headache. I definitely understand why Satoshi bailed, and decided to only index the main chain.
1039 2012-07-26 22:21:17 <gmaxwell> I wonder if anything will blow up if a fewer-blocks chain has higher sum difficulty?
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1041 2012-07-26 22:22:10 <jgarzik> I don't think so
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1043 2012-07-26 22:24:08 <gmaxwell> well, obviouslyâ but I don't think I've ever tested that. Should be easy to do on testnet.
1044 2012-07-26 22:24:08 * jgarzik still wonders whether or not we prove a weaker chain's TXs are fully connectable down the line, and then notice that in time to stop a reorg
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1046 2012-07-26 22:24:33 <jgarzik> once a chain is long enough, you're not looking at connecting to confirmed (lower height from fork point in question) TXs, but TXs inside weaker-chain blocks connecting to other TXs inside weaker-chain blocks.
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1060 2012-07-26 22:36:28 <jgarzik> current testnet3 v2 height?
1061 2012-07-26 22:37:03 <gmaxwell> "blocks" : 8716,
1062 2012-07-26 22:37:27 <gmaxwell> it syncs really slow around 4000 some because I mined some jumbo blocks there.
1063 2012-07-26 22:37:53 <jgarzik> heh, I was wondering what was going on there
1064 2012-07-26 22:38:15 <gmaxwell> there is a block with something like 4000 transactions in it.
1065 2012-07-26 22:38:26 <jgarzik> ok, node up at us4.exmulti.net:18333
1066 2012-07-26 22:41:43 <gavinandresen> I'm 97.107.133.172:18311
1067 2012-07-26 22:42:43 <gmaxwell> I'm up at 6hgmaxwellgpv2oe.onion:18333
1068 2012-07-26 22:43:39 <gavinandresen> I'll switch the testnet faucet over tomorrow... time for dinner now.
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1070 2012-07-26 22:45:47 <jgarzik> gmaxwell: cute, there is a vanitygen for onion addresses? :)
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1072 2012-07-26 22:47:51 <jgarzik> trying connection 31.221.2.51:18333 lastseen=1.1hrs
1073 2012-07-26 22:47:51 <jgarzik> connection timeout
1074 2012-07-26 22:47:51 <jgarzik> trying connection 66.25.3.111:18333 lastseen=1.1hrs
1075 2012-07-26 22:47:51 <jgarzik> connection timeout
1076 2012-07-26 22:47:51 <jgarzik> trying connection 66.25.3.111:18333 lastseen=1.1hrs
1077 2012-07-26 22:47:52 <jgarzik> connection timeout
1078 2012-07-26 22:47:56 <jgarzik> trying connection 31.221.2.51:18333 lastseen=1.1hrs
1079 2012-07-26 22:48:04 <jgarzik> Sure does like to try the same addresses over and over
1080 2012-07-26 22:48:20 <jgarzik> probably hitting the same empty addrman bucket over and over
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1082 2012-07-26 22:49:37 * jgarzik is mining with one CPU core, for whatever that's worth
1083 2012-07-26 22:49:53 <jgarzik> seems like somebody is mining with far more :)
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1086 2012-07-26 22:52:38 <Matt_von_Mises> Can someone tell me the purpose of this line when looking at address times? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/main.cpp#L2497
1087 2012-07-26 22:53:59 <jgarzik> Matt_von_Mises: CAddress is a versioned binary structure, and only recently gained 'nTime'
1088 2012-07-26 22:54:58 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: yes.
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1091 2012-07-26 22:55:47 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: it only knows the couple on IRC.
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1094 2012-07-26 22:56:55 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: testnet3 isn't mined much, but previously someone revved the difficulty up to 16 in a "I'll get all to testnetcoins effort", and I told them if they didn't stop I'd just rewrite all their work. :)
1095 2012-07-26 22:57:25 <jgarzik> gmaxwell: I figure 1 cpu core will keep it going, if everybody else drops out
1096 2012-07-26 22:57:46 <gmaxwell> I should unlazy and put in a proper patch to only start mining at N minutes.
1097 2012-07-26 22:58:31 * jgarzik -> bike ride, while sunlight remains
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1099 2012-07-26 22:59:45 <Matt_von_Mises> jgarzik: Yes but why does it set the times in these strange ways?
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1101 2012-07-26 23:04:09 <Matt_von_Mises> Also where does the IsReachable function come from and what does it do?
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1103 2012-07-26 23:04:42 <sipa> Matt_von_Mises: for example, you cannot reach an ipv6 address from an ipv4 one
1104 2012-07-26 23:05:00 <sipa> it's part of the logic that decides which public address to advertize
1105 2012-07-26 23:06:23 <sipa> gmaxwell: no, i didn't finish peer rotation
1106 2012-07-26 23:07:23 <gmaxwell> sipa: What do you think of having hidden service seednodes that work by just explicitly prepopulating the database with a few static HS nodes?
1107 2012-07-26 23:07:54 <gmaxwell> holy crap. why is this wallet.dat 481MBytes 0_o
1108 2012-07-26 23:08:09 <edcba> because there is a lot of bitcoins in it ? :)
1109 2012-07-26 23:08:11 <sipa> so, you connect, and they feed you some addr packets?
1110 2012-07-26 23:08:21 <gmaxwell> sipa: right.
1111 2012-07-26 23:09:02 <sipa> sure, that's what i intended to do
1112 2012-07-26 23:09:22 <sipa> if i ever get to rewrite a large part of bitcoin-seeder
1113 2012-07-26 23:09:29 <gmaxwell> edcba: The testnet3 blockchain is only about 6mbytes in total.
1114 2012-07-26 23:09:50 <gmaxwell> But my testnet3 wallet with lots of stuff in it is 481MBytes.
1115 2012-07-26 23:10:52 <gavinandresen> gmaxwell: weird. My 24,000 BTC testnet3 wallet is only 1M
1116 2012-07-26 23:12:45 <edcba> what is wallet storing ?
1117 2012-07-26 23:12:50 <gmaxwell> Well, I do have like ... 2000 orphaned coinbases in it.
1118 2012-07-26 23:12:53 <edcba> all tx ?
1119 2012-07-26 23:13:06 <edcba> no i mean generally
1120 2012-07-26 23:13:27 <gmaxwell> I wasn't responding to you.
1121 2012-07-26 23:13:35 <gmaxwell> It stores your private keys and your own txn.
1122 2012-07-26 23:13:42 <edcba> maybe some ppl spammed the network with something and you end up with those
1123 2012-07-26 23:13:43 <edcba> hmm
1124 2012-07-26 23:13:55 <edcba> noting more ?
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1126 2012-07-26 23:20:19 <gmaxwell> the bitcointools wallet stuff is really unhappy with a file this big.
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1128 2012-07-26 23:24:03 <Eliel> gmaxwell: the problem apparently wasn't due to the blk000x.dat file data. bitcoind has synced up fine.
1129 2012-07-26 23:24:41 <gmaxwell> $ ./dbdump.py --wallet-tx | wc -l
1130 2012-07-26 23:24:41 <gmaxwell> 122635
1131 2012-07-26 23:24:51 <midnightmagic> fuck you, whoever wrote satoshi dice
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1133 2012-07-26 23:25:05 <gmaxwell> midnightmagic: hm?
1134 2012-07-26 23:27:22 <midnightmagic> gmaxwell: Block ACCEPTED 69435ms (block 188357)
1135 2012-07-26 23:28:27 <Matt_von_Mises> sipa: THanks for mentioning the IPv6 addresses. I still need my code to detect it's own IP for that. Though I'm more worried about the addr messages. I'm so confused I made a topic about it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95907.0
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1138 2012-07-26 23:35:11 <gmaxwell> Matt_von_Mises: You should have asked the question you asked there here.
1139 2012-07-26 23:35:49 <Matt_von_Mises> I did... Well maybe not as precisely.
1140 2012-07-26 23:36:02 <Matt_von_Mises> But it is something that needs in-depth explaination
1141 2012-07-26 23:36:07 <Matt_von_Mises> So the forums is probably best
1142 2012-07-26 23:36:12 <Matt_von_Mises> I need to go to bed soon as well.
1143 2012-07-26 23:38:53 <gmaxwell> Matt_von_Mises: I can only speak to what I expirenced. What you asked on IRC didn't give me anything to answer, what you asked on the forum did.
1144 2012-07-26 23:40:20 <Matt_von_Mises> Well the line I was looking at that I did not understand was the setting times to 5 days ago. But anyway, I've got to go to bed sorry. Bye.
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