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149 2012-08-14 05:43:18 <BlueMattBot> Project Bitcoin build #12: STILL FAILING in 1 hr 36 min: http://jenkins.bluematt.me/job/Bitcoin/12/
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153 2012-08-14 06:13:38 <[Tycho]> denisx: duplicates shouldn't be acepted
154 2012-08-14 06:14:42 <denisx> [Tycho]: hmm, it seems that cgminer is generating duplicates with the ztex module
155 2012-08-14 06:14:52 <denisx> I can see the duplicates in the client and also in my pool
156 2012-08-14 06:14:59 <denisx> but not on yours (says a user to me)
157 2012-08-14 06:15:24 <gmaxwell> something with ntime rolling?
158 2012-08-14 06:15:46 <denisx> gmaxwell: a duplicate is a duplicate
159 2012-08-14 06:16:16 <denisx> gmaxwell: or what do you mean?
160 2012-08-14 06:16:34 <[Tycho]> ntime rolling is not supported yet.
161 2012-08-14 06:16:48 <luke-jr> denisx: does BFGMiner have the same problem?
162 2012-08-14 06:16:54 <gmaxwell> Is the bug potentially related to rolling, and you're not seeing it because deepbit doesn't roll.
163 2012-08-14 06:17:01 <denisx> luke-jr: I dont have that hardware
164 2012-08-14 06:17:03 <[Tycho]> denisx: PM me your login name please
165 2012-08-14 06:17:21 <denisx> [Tycho]: I dont have one, a user told me
166 2012-08-14 06:17:23 <luke-jr> denisx: huh?
167 2012-08-14 06:17:30 <luke-jr> o
168 2012-08-14 06:17:38 <denisx> luke-jr: you mean BTCMiner from ztex?
169 2012-08-14 06:17:46 <luke-jr> denisx: no, I mean BFGMiner
170 2012-08-14 06:18:00 <luke-jr> https://bitcointalk.org/?topic=78192
171 2012-08-14 06:19:19 <denisx> is that a cgminer fork?
172 2012-08-14 06:19:45 <luke-jr> denisx: that's the original for FPGAs; cgminer copied some of it back, but tends to lag behind
173 2012-08-14 06:20:37 <denisx> btw, is it true that your pool is bankrupt?
174 2012-08-14 06:20:45 <luke-jr> define bankrupt
175 2012-08-14 06:20:57 <denisx> no btc left for payouts
176 2012-08-14 06:21:21 <luke-jr> bitcoins go out as they come in
177 2012-08-14 06:21:59 <gmaxwell> denisx: SMPPS becomes proportional when the buffer is zero.
178 2012-08-14 06:22:12 <luke-jr> (more or less)
179 2012-08-14 06:22:22 <denisx> I see
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181 2012-08-14 06:22:57 <luke-jr> denisx: we are possibly switching to PPLNS*8 sometime
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185 2012-08-14 06:28:08 <denisx> ok, bgfminer is running
186 2012-08-14 06:30:10 <denisx> so bfgminer is like cgminer but without cpu and gpu?
187 2012-08-14 06:31:00 <luke-jr> denisx: CGMiner was GPU only ; BFGMiner added FPGA support, and also supports CPU ; CGMiner has pulled some of the FPGA stuff
188 2012-08-14 06:33:35 <denisx> so far so good, but to be sure it needs a little longer
189 2012-08-14 06:34:10 <luke-jr> note that Ztex is like 99.9% up to date in CGMiner, so I'd be surprised if BFG *didn't* have this bug (unless it's unrelated to the Ztex..)
190 2012-08-14 06:34:46 <luke-jr> also, I don't have any Ztex myself, so chances of fixing bugs there are slim without donations (Ztex co did offer me to order 1 of each at half price)
191 2012-08-14 06:35:35 <luke-jr> (but if the bug is there, do still open an Issue in GitHub so I know about it and can maybe try to figure it out blind :P)
192 2012-08-14 06:36:11 <denisx> a duplicate has more to do with work management
193 2012-08-14 06:36:18 <luke-jr> usually, yes
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205 2012-08-14 07:00:10 <denisx> luke-jr: you should not use gettimeofday for your uptime in bfgminer
206 2012-08-14 07:00:14 <luke-jr> ?
207 2012-08-14 07:00:14 <denisx> it is slow and wrong too
208 2012-08-14 07:00:18 <luke-jr> …
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210 2012-08-14 07:00:46 <denisx> use clock_gettime with CLOCK_MONOTONIC
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212 2012-08-14 07:01:04 <denisx> luke-jr: if a user corrects his systemtime your uptime will jump too
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214 2012-08-14 07:02:29 <luke-jr> denisx: that may be a good idea; want to open an issue for it? :p
215 2012-08-14 07:04:43 <luke-jr> disclosure: maintaining mergability between BFG and CG may be higher priority than supporting clock changes during runtime, for now
216 2012-08-14 07:05:53 <denisx> now the duplicate thing happened with bfgminer too
217 2012-08-14 07:06:09 <denisx> [2012-08-14 08:59:57] Accepted 1d0b3988.518ea986 ZTX 1
218 2012-08-14 07:06:10 <denisx>  [2012-08-14 08:59:59] Accepted 3f32ac47.5dd2bfc2 ZTX 0
219 2012-08-14 07:06:11 <denisx>  [2012-08-14 09:00:04] Accepted 39458b7d.c3ff7d4c ZTX 2
220 2012-08-14 07:06:11 <denisx>  [2012-08-14 09:00:06] Rejected 1d0b3988.518ea986 ZTX 1  (duplicate)
221 2012-08-14 07:06:56 <luke-jr> denisx: could you open an issue for that especially? include details about which Ztex model, ideally --debuglog output (use 2>filename with it), anything else that might be relevant
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223 2012-08-14 07:08:38 <luke-jr> denisx: btw http://github.com/luke-jr/bfgminer/issues/new ;)
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226 2012-08-14 07:25:59 <denisx> luke-jr: https://github.com/luke-jr/bfgminer/issues/100
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229 2012-08-14 07:30:10 <grondilu> I suddenly get a lot of "connect() failed after select(): Connection refused
230 2012-08-14 07:30:37 <grondilu> " and bitcoin can not get any connection.  I'm stuck.  What can be wrong?
231 2012-08-14 07:31:45 <luke-jr> denisx: if you can, maybe ask if they can spare any Bitcoins to donate to getting one to debug with; total cost for me to buy a 1.15y is about 50 BTC
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332 2012-08-14 12:16:25 <sipa> ;;bc,blocks
333 2012-08-14 12:16:25 <gribble> 193849
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361 2012-08-14 13:58:06 <finway> ;seen gavinandresen
362 2012-08-14 13:58:08 <finway> ;;seen gavinandresen
363 2012-08-14 13:58:08 <gribble> gavinandresen was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 1 week, 6 days, 16 hours, 1 minute, and 17 seconds ago: <gavinandresen> gmaxwell: your use case feels like a different kind of key to me-- "watch-only, I'll dig up the private key when I need to spend, thank you very much"
364 2012-08-14 13:58:54 <finway> gavin's on vacation ?
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366 2012-08-14 14:00:47 <helo> yes
367 2012-08-14 14:01:03 <helo> ;;seen gavin-in-a-car
368 2012-08-14 14:01:03 <gribble> I have not seen gavin-in-a-car.
369 2012-08-14 14:01:19 <finway> ;;seen gavininacar
370 2012-08-14 14:01:19 <gribble> gavininacar was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 18 hours, 44 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <gavininacar> Got it.  Yes, ack
371 2012-08-14 14:01:19 <helo> ;;seen gavin_in_a_car
372 2012-08-14 14:01:20 <gribble> gavin_in_a_car was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 17 hours, 21 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <gavin_in_a_car> (kidding!)
373 2012-08-14 14:02:01 <finway> funny
374 2012-08-14 14:02:31 <finway> So we finally have a python node ?
375 2012-08-14 14:02:53 <finway> Great
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379 2012-08-14 14:17:46 <helo> a python node, mostly
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383 2012-08-14 14:20:51 <BlueMatt> hmm...here's a fun one: CreateNewBlock count (potentially) create a block larger than MAX_BLOCK_SIZE if, in adding the last tx, you get more bytes for the tx-vector-length-prefix and you would otherwise have a block of size MAX_BLOCK_SIZE[ - 1]
384 2012-08-14 14:21:03 <BlueMatt> s/count/could/
385 2012-08-14 14:21:17 <BlueMatt> now, lets see who can make deepbit do that
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388 2012-08-14 14:23:33 <BlueMatt> well, ok, no it wont thanks to the 1k max, but its still a fun bug
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393 2012-08-14 14:29:35 <epscy> a python node?
394 2012-08-14 14:29:41 <epscy> is there a github repo?
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396 2012-08-14 14:31:53 <BlueMatt> yes, jgarzik/pynode, I believe
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399 2012-08-14 14:36:01 <helo> doesn't do reorgs yet
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401 2012-08-14 14:36:51 <epscy> reorgs?
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405 2012-08-14 14:39:17 <epscy> oh it doesn't really look like a full node
406 2012-08-14 14:39:26 <epscy> still work in progress
407 2012-08-14 14:39:41 <epscy> do we have any other full implementations?
408 2012-08-14 14:39:47 <BlueMatt> bitcoinj
409 2012-08-14 14:39:56 <epscy> is that complete?
410 2012-08-14 14:39:56 <BlueMatt> and bitcoinjs
411 2012-08-14 14:40:08 <BlueMatt> it is in my branch
412 2012-08-14 14:40:20 <BlueMatt> bitcoinjs has been...forever
413 2012-08-14 14:40:57 <epscy> cool
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422 2012-08-14 15:07:46 <jgarzik> I wouldn't call bitcoinjs a full implementation...
423 2012-08-14 15:08:02 <sipa> why not?
424 2012-08-14 15:09:29 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: luke pointed out that size counting bug a while back IIRC
425 2012-08-14 15:09:44 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: it's not a problem for stock code since we only target half size.
426 2012-08-14 15:10:28 <sipa> btw, can i get an op here?
427 2012-08-14 15:10:29 <sipa> hehe
428 2012-08-14 15:11:15 <sipa> apparently i configured my irssi once to map the key e-accent-aigu to "say hehe"
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430 2012-08-14 15:11:46 <sipa> now that i'm on an azerty keyboard it's quite not to hit that key from time to time (it's the 1 without shift)
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433 2012-08-14 15:13:31 <_dr> i could think of worse mappings than 'hehe' :)
434 2012-08-14 15:17:19 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: no, its not a problem since we limit to 1k smaller than MAX_BLOCK_SIZE no matter what (the 1/2-size is over-rideable with a bitcoin.conf setting)
435 2012-08-14 15:20:39 <sipa> eh, thx ChanServ!
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458 2012-08-14 15:53:45 <Joric> bitcoinjs is not commonjs compatible in the first place it depends on window variable =)
459 2012-08-14 15:54:40 <Joric> check out workaround in the bottom http://brainwallet.org/js/bitcoinsig.js
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531 2012-08-14 18:18:05 <Denopoly> Hello!!
532 2012-08-14 18:18:22 <Denopoly> I have some questions. Hopefully someone can help me out?
533 2012-08-14 18:18:58 <Denopoly> I need to send bitcoins to someone, how do I do this?
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575 2012-08-14 19:43:07 <Diapolo> Does anyone know, if BitcoinPullTester is using a newer Qt version than the official Gitian process?
576 2012-08-14 19:44:17 <jgarzik> Since Satoshi Dice started, there have been:
577 2012-08-14 19:44:17 <jgarzik> Blockchain Tx:  3080464  :  SatoshiDice Tx: 1803823  (58.6%)
578 2012-08-14 19:44:17 <jgarzik> Blockchain MB:  1286.1  :  SatoshiDice Tx: 737.9  (57.4%)
579 2012-08-14 19:44:49 <jrmithdobbs> sounds about right
580 2012-08-14 19:45:01 <gmaxwell> <brightside>at least they're somewhat smaller than average</brightside>
581 2012-08-14 19:45:29 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: even more fun is the quantity of those tx that are 1e-8 outputs which will likely never ever get spent. :(
582 2012-08-14 19:46:05 <jgarzik> gmaxwell: oh?  any idea why it generates super-small outputs?
583 2012-08-14 19:46:24 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: when you lose it pays your 1e-8 in order to inform you of your loss and keep you gambling.
584 2012-08-14 19:46:55 <gmaxwell> s/your/you/
585 2012-08-14 19:47:00 <jgarzik> ugh
586 2012-08-14 19:48:05 <gmaxwell> we really ought to add some code to agressively try to sweep up tiny outputs.
587 2012-08-14 19:48:46 <gmaxwell> E.g. if you have a txn with room before it will need fees, keep adding extra small inputs until it doesn't anymore.
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601 2012-08-14 20:17:00 <OneEyed> gmaxwell: Armory does this, and tries to favour existing addresses first when adding bit dust, to avoid increasing tainting unnecessarily
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614 2012-08-14 20:47:50 <graingert> gmaxwell: I'd like to see tx with lots of small inputs charged less than a tx with lots of small outputs
615 2012-08-14 20:48:43 <OneEyed> That's the case already if I remember correctly. Aren't the "usefulness" of the inputs (age*amount) added, or maxed?
616 2012-08-14 20:49:18 <graingert> age*amount hmm
617 2012-08-14 20:49:20 <graingert> fair
618 2012-08-14 20:49:56 <gmaxwell> but it's over size
619 2012-08-14 20:50:22 <gmaxwell> sum(age*amount)/size and inputs increase size. Adding inputs with lower than your average priority will lower your total priority.
620 2012-08-14 20:51:08 <OneEyed> Yes, but while you're under the threshold, you can add inputs for free, right (provided you already have a change output)?
621 2012-08-14 20:51:21 <gmaxwell> Yup.
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623 2012-08-14 20:51:34 <gmaxwell> Or when you're already paying a fee and you're below the next kilobyte.
624 2012-08-14 20:51:47 <gmaxwell> e.g. if you're at 1100 bytes you can add 900 more.
625 2012-08-14 20:51:50 <graingert> hmm
626 2012-08-14 20:51:51 <OneEyed> eth* (cannot remember his nick, the author of Armory) even talked about adding extra transactions to cancel the fee by increasing the change output to at least one bitcent
627 2012-08-14 20:51:59 <OneEyed> gmaxwell: yeah, right!
628 2012-08-14 20:52:05 <graingert> gmaxwell: make an issue on GitHub?
629 2012-08-14 20:52:21 <OneEyed> (read extra inputs, not extra transactions)
630 2012-08-14 20:52:25 <gmaxwell> I think I did already. I actually had a patch for this (now bitrotted), but it tended to link addresses often.
631 2012-08-14 20:52:55 <gmaxwell> I thought the integration of the coincontrol stuff would help, but actually after working with that code. 'meh'
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633 2012-08-14 20:53:08 <graingert> meh
634 2012-08-14 20:53:17 <graingert> got a link
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637 2012-08-14 20:55:01 <gmaxwell> hm. there isn't an issue, I'll open one. Though I'm not likely to forget it. :)
638 2012-08-14 20:57:14 <graingert> sexual
639 2012-08-14 20:59:38 <OneEyed> graingert: wrong channel?
640 2012-08-14 20:59:52 <graingert> yes...
641 2012-08-14 20:59:56 <graingert> yes of course..
642 2012-08-14 20:59:59 <OneEyed> :)
643 2012-08-14 21:00:09 <graingert> it was meant for #ubuntu
644 2012-08-14 21:00:12 <OneEyed> Eheh
645 2012-08-14 21:00:28 <graingert> ##hardware *
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647 2012-08-14 21:06:34 <graingert> !ticker
648 2012-08-14 21:06:35 <gribble> Best bid: 12.1621, Best ask: 12.1976, Bid-ask spread: 0.03550, Last trade: 12.19761, 24 hour volume: 53927, 24 hour low: 11.70999, 24 hour high: 12.19879
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