1 2012-09-01 00:03:21 <jrmithdobbs> more exactly: http://pastebin.com/pkWrSppA
  2 2012-09-01 00:04:22 <kjj_> harmless.  google it
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  9 2012-09-01 00:18:53 <unclemantis> I am having trouble running the bitcoin-qt PPA http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=zkAN7TDP
 10 2012-09-01 00:19:21 <kjj_> platform?
 11 2012-09-01 00:20:11 <unclemantis> Ubuntu 10.11
 12 2012-09-01 00:20:24 <unclemantis> sorry 11.10
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 15 2012-09-01 00:20:46 <kjj_> can you pop open a shell and head to your bitcoin data directory?
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 18 2012-09-01 00:21:55 <unclemantis> to be honest this is the first time I am running bitcoin-qt in linux
 19 2012-09-01 00:22:44 <kjj_> heh.  I don't use it either, but the answer to your problem is quite possibly hiding in a log file
 20 2012-09-01 00:22:55 <unclemantis> wonderful!
 21 2012-09-01 00:23:02 <kjj_> can you open a shell and type "cd .bitcoin/" ?
 22 2012-09-01 00:23:13 <kjj_> without the quotes
 23 2012-09-01 00:23:24 <unclemantis> yu[
 24 2012-09-01 00:23:33 <unclemantis> yup... got stuff that looks like bitcoin stuff
 25 2012-09-01 00:23:54 <kjj_> ok, that's probably it.  anything that claims to be a database error log?
 26 2012-09-01 00:24:05 <unclemantis> yup
 27 2012-09-01 00:24:05 <kjj_> I don't remember exactly what it would be called.
 28 2012-09-01 00:24:07 <unclemantis> debug.log
 29 2012-09-01 00:24:17 <kjj_> well, that's different, but it might do
 30 2012-09-01 00:24:23 <kjj_> type "tail debug.log"
 31 2012-09-01 00:25:20 <unclemantis> you want the contents?
 32 2012-09-01 00:25:40 <kjj_> hopefully not.  does it show something like that exception?
 33 2012-09-01 00:25:55 <kjj_> or does it mention trying to open a database?
 34 2012-09-01 00:25:57 <unclemantis> yes it does
 35 2012-09-01 00:26:00 <unclemantis> yes it does
 36 2012-09-01 00:26:05 <kjj_> which database?
 37 2012-09-01 00:26:13 <unclemantis> Loading addresses...
 38 2012-09-01 00:26:18 <unclemantis> dbenv.open LogDir=/home/msheldon/.bitcoin/database ErrorFile=/home/msheldon/.bitcoin/db.log
 39 2012-09-01 00:26:42 <unclemantis> hmmm
 40 2012-09-01 00:26:43 <kjj_> ahh, addr.dat.  it'll be gone soon
 41 2012-09-01 00:26:54 <kjj_> just delete addr.dat and try starting it again
 42 2012-09-01 00:27:31 <unclemantis> ahh same shit
 43 2012-09-01 00:27:52 <kjj_> does that db.log file exist?
 44 2012-09-01 00:28:02 <unclemantis> yes
 45 2012-09-01 00:28:09 <kjj_> tail db.log
 46 2012-09-01 00:28:15 <unclemantis> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=drqaDqqz
 47 2012-09-01 00:28:43 <kjj_> you change versions recently?
 48 2012-09-01 00:28:49 <unclemantis> nope
 49 2012-09-01 00:28:56 <unclemantis> just installed this just a few moments ago
 50 2012-09-01 00:29:03 <unclemantis> spanking new install, etc..
 51 2012-09-01 00:29:17 <kjj_> did it run once?
 52 2012-09-01 00:29:21 <unclemantis> nope
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 54 2012-09-01 00:29:24 <kjj_> or are you getting this on the first attempt?
 55 2012-09-01 00:29:25 <unclemantis> crashed at once
 56 2012-09-01 00:29:29 <unclemantis> yup
 57 2012-09-01 00:29:44 <unclemantis> should i remove and install and try again?
 58 2012-09-01 00:29:59 <kjj_> nah, let's see if we can get it going anyway.
 59 2012-09-01 00:30:06 <kjj_> which bitcoin version, by the way?
 60 2012-09-01 00:30:18 <unclemantis> https://launchpad.net/~bitcoin/+archive/bitcoin
 61 2012-09-01 00:31:22 <kjj_> I'm not familiar with PPA.  Does it install the deps automatically?  or did you install db4.8 ?
 62 2012-09-01 00:32:04 <unclemantis> i installed the PPA and then it showed up in my USC and i installed it from there
 63 2012-09-01 00:32:43 <unclemantis> i don't know about db4.8. Should have installed that too right?
 64 2012-09-01 00:33:08 <unclemantis> i was just following the directions on the home page of www.bitcoin.org
 65 2012-09-01 00:33:26 <unclemantis> if there is ANOTHER way to do this, please inlighten me
 66 2012-09-01 00:33:40 <kjj_> heh.  I grab the source and compile it
 67 2012-09-01 00:33:47 <unclemantis> i guess i can do that
 68 2012-09-01 00:33:49 <unclemantis> brb
 69 2012-09-01 00:33:56 <kjj_> hang on, that shouldn't be necessary
 70 2012-09-01 00:34:14 <unclemantis> removing it anyway
 71 2012-09-01 00:34:47 <unclemantis> back to square one
 72 2012-09-01 00:35:22 <unclemantis> downloading the tar.gz
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 74 2012-09-01 00:35:56 <kjj_> ooh.  my CNC controller is a Ubuntu box.  let me see if it works for me
 75 2012-09-01 00:36:15 <gmaxwell> 17:23 < unclemantis> spanking new install, etc..
 76 2012-09-01 00:36:26 <gmaxwell> you mean a totally fresh install with no preexisting wallet or blockchain?
 77 2012-09-01 00:36:59 <unclemantis> correct
 78 2012-09-01 00:37:01 <unclemantis> hi max
 79 2012-09-01 00:37:18 <unclemantis> ok, well i have a PPA and i have the tar.gz
 80 2012-09-01 00:37:25 <unclemantis> i have nothing installed right now
 81 2012-09-01 00:37:37 <unclemantis> so... do i take the red pill or the blue pill?
 82 2012-09-01 00:39:12 <gmaxwell> well, try deleting the .bitcoin directory then. Though this is really really weird.
 83 2012-09-01 00:40:08 <unclemantis> i did
 84 2012-09-01 00:40:08 <unclemantis> everything is back to the way it was
 85 2012-09-01 00:40:08 <unclemantis> i guess will install the PPA one more time
 86 2012-09-01 00:40:26 <kjj_> installed just fine on my CNC machine.  heh.  how long did it take to crash the first time?  instant?
 87 2012-09-01 00:40:45 <gmaxwell> also, you're not out of space (I know silly question, but I had to ask)
 88 2012-09-01 00:40:48 <unclemantis> instaqnt
 89 2012-09-01 00:40:54 <unclemantis> max i was just thinking that
 90 2012-09-01 00:40:57 <unclemantis> brb
 91 2012-09-01 00:41:18 <kjj_> ooh.  the QT gui is pretty
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 93 2012-09-01 00:41:41 <unclemantis> hmmm i should be ok
 94 2012-09-01 00:42:02 <kjj_> how much free space?
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101 2012-09-01 00:44:03 <unclemantis> did it again, first try
102 2012-09-01 00:45:11 <kjj_> did it throw the DB exception on when it crashed?
103 2012-09-01 00:45:49 <unclemantis> http://pastebin.com/T4whChbq
104 2012-09-01 00:46:25 <kjj_> oh, did you delete the .bitcoin folder before you start it?
105 2012-09-01 00:46:31 <unclemantis> no
106 2012-09-01 00:46:35 <kjj_> do that
107 2012-09-01 00:46:45 <unclemantis> why?
108 2012-09-01 00:46:53 <unclemantis> the install created it
109 2012-09-01 00:47:03 <kjj_> no, running it for the first time creates it
110 2012-09-01 00:47:09 <unclemantis> hmmm
111 2012-09-01 00:47:09 <unclemantis> ok
112 2012-09-01 00:47:42 <unclemantis> hmmm weird
113 2012-09-01 00:47:49 <unclemantis> worked this time
114 2012-09-01 00:47:51 <unclemantis> bug?
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116 2012-09-01 00:48:09 <kjj_> good question
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118 2012-09-01 00:48:34 <gmaxwell> might have crashed for an unrelated reason on the first startup, leaving a corrupted database behind.
119 2012-09-01 00:48:40 <unclemantis> weird
120 2012-09-01 00:48:44 <unclemantis> cause i did it TWICE
121 2012-09-01 00:48:47 <unclemantis> clean install that is
122 2012-09-01 00:49:01 <unclemantis> either way, i got it working....well. WE got it working
123 2012-09-01 00:49:10 <unclemantis> it is downloading the chain as we speak
124 2012-09-01 00:49:12 <kjj_> I'll nuke mine and see what state the PPA install leaves
125 2012-09-01 00:49:30 <unclemantis> :-)
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129 2012-09-01 00:52:08 <kjj_> when you say you did a clean install twice, do you mean you wiped out the box and completely reinstalled Ubuntu between attempts?
130 2012-09-01 00:52:38 <unclemantis> no
131 2012-09-01 00:52:51 <unclemantis> cleaned out the previous install of bitcoin-qt and reinstalled
132 2012-09-01 00:52:57 <kjj_> ah!  mystery solved
133 2012-09-01 00:53:16 <kjj_> when you ran it the first time, it created the .bitcoin directory for your user, and then crashed for some unknown reason
134 2012-09-01 00:53:33 <kjj_> when you removed it, it didn't remove your user data, so when you reinstalled, you still had your corrupt database
135 2012-09-01 00:53:39 <unclemantis> it did
136 2012-09-01 00:53:49 <unclemantis> it removed the .bitcoin folder
137 2012-09-01 00:54:16 <kjj_> I just did "sudo apt-get remove bitcoin-qt" on my box, and it didn't remove my .bitcoin/ folder
138 2012-09-01 00:54:31 <unclemantis> either way
139 2012-09-01 00:54:38 <unclemantis> got it kickstarted and I am happy :)
140 2012-09-01 00:54:45 <kjj_> cool.  happy bitcoining
141 2012-09-01 00:54:49 <unclemantis> :-D
142 2012-09-01 00:55:01 <unclemantis> moving from Windows 7  to Ubuntu
143 2012-09-01 00:55:13 <unclemantis> i have been told I am moving from Windows to Windows :-P
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154 2012-09-01 01:18:00 <helo> should bitcoin-qt respond to SIGINT?
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157 2012-09-01 01:28:51 <kjj_> helo: I just took a quick look at the code and I don't see any particular signal handling.  so either there isn't any, or it isn't something that I'd recognize
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193 2012-09-01 03:04:06 <weex> i thought it responded to a signal that caused a new debug.log to be created
194 2012-09-01 03:07:33 <Luke-Jr> BIP 34 live on Eligius now
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196 2012-09-01 03:07:50 <gmaxwell> weex: yes, HUP like most daemons.
197 2012-09-01 03:08:17 <weex> kjj_: ^^
198 2012-09-01 03:08:58 <Luke-Jr> only 0.7+ tho
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200 2012-09-01 03:10:05 <weex> can't wait, i'm going to build a massive debug.log search engine
201 2012-09-01 03:10:29 <weex> mix in tweets to keep it interesting
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266 2012-09-01 07:34:17 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: ping, care to mine a testnet3 block? :p
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268 2012-09-01 07:37:14 <Luke-Jr> Eligius found a block. Anyone want to check it? (BIP 34)
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270 2012-09-01 07:49:28 <Luke-Jr> fwiw, I've confirmed it's some p2pool incarnation making the ver==2 non-BIP34 blocks
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283 2012-09-01 08:58:25 <midnightmagic> Luke-Jr: Which block number(s)?
284 2012-09-01 08:58:44 <Luke-Jr> 196677, 196678
285 2012-09-01 08:59:15 <sturles> It's September 1st.  Shoudn't there be some announement today?
286 2012-09-01 09:00:25 <Evilmax> c'è qualcuno che parla italiano? in privato please
287 2012-09-01 09:00:25 <edcba> like ?
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289 2012-09-01 09:02:30 <midnightmagic> neither coinbase pays to something i own; therefore it's not me! woo
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291 2012-09-01 09:03:27 <midnightmagic> hrm..  except that's after i started randomizing my addresses..
292 2012-09-01 09:05:54 <midnightmagic> Those are both eligius blocks?
293 2012-09-01 09:06:59 <OneEyed> Are IPv6 peers exchanged by clients as IPv4 peers are?
294 2012-09-01 09:07:39 <OneEyed> (by bitcoind I mean)
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296 2012-09-01 09:11:59 <Luke-Jr> midnightmagic: yes
297 2012-09-01 09:12:09 <Luke-Jr> OneEyed: yes
298 2012-09-01 09:13:37 <OneEyed> Luke-Jr: is there a flag to favor IPv6 over IPv4 while establishing outgoing connections?
299 2012-09-01 09:13:46 <Luke-Jr> I don't think so.
300 2012-09-01 09:14:11 <midnightmagic> Luke-Jr: I mean the ver==2 non-BIP34 blocks. Which ones are those?
301 2012-09-01 09:14:25 <OneEyed> That would be useful though: my bitcoind (git) doesn't connect to any IPv6 peer, and doesn't receive any IPv6 connection either
302 2012-09-01 09:14:36 <Luke-Jr> midnightmagic: oh, I don't know where anymore
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306 2012-09-01 09:26:33 <OneEyed> Works with -onlynet=IPv6, but I don't want it to be my only net
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326 2012-09-01 10:49:15 <molecular> Is there a way to check how many unused keys are in the keypool?
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334 2012-09-01 11:02:45 <freewil> molecular, from my understanding you should always have keypoolsize unused keys
335 2012-09-01 11:02:49 <freewil> unless your wallet is locked
336 2012-09-01 11:03:01 <freewil> in which case it wont generate more keys until it's unlocked
337 2012-09-01 11:03:48 <freewil> bitcoind getinfo has "keypoolsize" and "keypoololdest"
338 2012-09-01 11:09:32 <OneEyed> WTF, Armory generated a transaction with empty script sigs
339 2012-09-01 11:09:38 <OneEyed> (rejected by the Satoshi client)
340 2012-09-01 11:11:28 <OneEyed> Oh, no, looks like they are here. But why did the Satoshi client reject them with ERROR: CTxMemPool::accept() : nonstandard transaction input
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347 2012-09-01 11:24:58 <OneEyed> Is there anyone here that could check the validity of a raw transaction?
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355 2012-09-01 11:38:06 <molecular> freewil, allright, thanks for the info
356 2012-09-01 11:38:20 <freewil> you're welcome
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362 2012-09-01 11:47:11 <sipa> OneEyed: sendrawtransaction RPC call?
363 2012-09-01 11:49:58 <freewil> sipa, what is the use for keypoolrefill rpc command?
364 2012-09-01 11:50:13 <freewil> just if you're wallet was locked previously and you want to refill the pool?
365 2012-09-01 11:50:18 <sipa> yes
366 2012-09-01 11:50:29 <freewil> molecular, ^
367 2012-09-01 11:50:30 <freewil> thanks
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370 2012-09-01 11:54:47 <OneEyed> sipa: yes, that's what I tried. It looks like Armory didn't generate the sigscripts properly though it tells it did
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373 2012-09-01 11:56:43 <Diapolo> sipa: I think a former of my pull leads to spamming socker error 10022 (at least on Windows) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/3b6ed2294bc1c69b0232a3eb978df2ac4e08df48
374 2012-09-01 11:56:43 <Diapolo> I somehow think it should be > 0 as we use hSocketMax as counter and SOCKET is an unsigned int AFAIK.
375 2012-09-01 11:57:56 <Diapolo> before my pull it was hSocketMax > (SOCKET) -1 though ...
376 2012-09-01 11:58:09 <sipa> Diapolo: so, (hSocketMax != INVALID_SOCKET) && (hSocketMax != 0) ?
377 2012-09-01 11:58:49 <sipa> if hSocketMax is an unsigned, comparing it to -1 will *always* be true
378 2012-09-01 11:59:34 <Diapolo> hSocketMax is of type SOCKET, which is on Windows an unsigned int
379 2012-09-01 12:00:01 <sipa> so, the former code was simply always true
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381 2012-09-01 12:00:19 <sipa> oh, no
382 2012-09-01 12:00:22 <sipa> never!
383 2012-09-01 12:00:38 <sipa> as (SOCKET)-1 is the largest possible value
384 2012-09-01 12:01:11 <Diapolo> yes beacuse of unsignedness
385 2012-09-01 12:03:01 <Diapolo> but is it fine to use (hSocketMax != 0), which is true if SOCKET would ever be an unsigned int ... it is 0 when for example supplying a non existent proxy
386 2012-09-01 12:05:06 <Diapolo> sipa: your change fixes the socker error 10022 spam
387 2012-09-01 12:06:07 <Diapolo> should it be (hSocketMax != (SOCKET)0)?
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414 2012-09-01 13:44:21 <novusordo> hey, just pulled from the git repo and tried to build, got this:
415 2012-09-01 13:44:23 <novusordo> src/net.cpp:19:32: fatal error: miniupnpc/miniwget.h: No such file or directory
416 2012-09-01 13:45:06 <novusordo> oh wait, i need miniupnc
417 2012-09-01 13:45:14 <kjj_> yeah, or disable it in the makefile
418 2012-09-01 13:45:48 <novusordo> if i disable it, would i have to configure my firewall on my router manually? or is this for something else
419 2012-09-01 13:46:05 <kjj_> that's what it is for
420 2012-09-01 13:46:17 <kjj_> I just wasn't sure if you were behind a UPNP-compliant router or not
421 2012-09-01 13:46:41 <novusordo> yup, i am
422 2012-09-01 13:46:46 <novusordo> thanks :)
423 2012-09-01 13:47:22 <kjj_> and it isn't really needed unless you want to accept incoming connections.
424 2012-09-01 13:48:06 <novusordo> as in, allowing others to connect to me to download the blockchain, etc?
425 2012-09-01 13:48:53 <kjj_> more or less.
426 2012-09-01 13:49:25 <kjj_> I mean, when your client connects out, it could end up connecting to a new-ish client and end up serving out the blockchain anyway
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428 2012-09-01 13:55:11 <novusordo> how convenient, libminiupnpc8-dev is right in the bitcoin ppa
429 2012-09-01 13:55:58 <kjj_> heh.  I think that's the whole point of the PPA system
430 2012-09-01 13:56:19 <novusordo> true
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432 2012-09-01 13:58:24 <novusordo> after over 5 years of using debian's package management system i'm still amazed at its beauty, compared to installing programs on other OSes
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434 2012-09-01 13:58:59 <kjj_> heh.  slackware user here.  I actually prefer compiling everything the hard way
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438 2012-09-01 14:05:09 <novusordo> build successful
439 2012-09-01 14:05:26 <novusordo> and holy fast start up, batman
440 2012-09-01 14:10:13 <ThomasV> soon
441 2012-09-01 14:14:15 <freewil> no blockchain, empty wallet = fast start up
442 2012-09-01 14:18:13 <novusordo> ah
443 2012-09-01 14:19:45 <novusordo> still, lots of great improvements here
444 2012-09-01 14:19:59 <novusordo> a toast to the devs!
445 2012-09-01 14:20:07 * novusordo hands each of the devs a slice of delicious toast
446 2012-09-01 14:42:25 * sipa devours
447 2012-09-01 14:43:29 <sipa> kjj_: make -f makefile.unix USE_UPNP=
448 2012-09-01 14:43:41 <sipa> no need to edit the makefile
449 2012-09-01 14:44:00 <kjj_> meh.  I have a patch that fixes a bunch of stuff on my system, that's part of it
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466 2012-09-01 15:27:21 <sipa> kjj_: such as?
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479 2012-09-01 15:46:03 <kjj_> sipa: I do builds on an antique.  I have to disable most of the hardening stuff
480 2012-09-01 15:46:36 <sipa> ic
481 2012-09-01 15:47:24 <kjj_> I also do static builds so that I can run the binary on boxes with VERY different library versions
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508 2012-09-01 16:19:33 <novusordo> does the testnet faucet need donations, or is it just down?
509 2012-09-01 16:20:27 <novusordo> i'll happily give 25 testcoins if it's out of funds
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511 2012-09-01 16:21:44 <gmaxwell> novusordo: there is a bitcoin bug breaking it, in fact.
512 2012-09-01 16:22:49 <novusordo> oh noes
513 2012-09-01 16:23:17 <gmaxwell> Well no biggie, thats why we test.
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515 2012-09-01 16:23:37 <novusordo> so it goes
516 2012-09-01 16:24:14 <novusordo> disclaimer: the above rhyming was completely unintentional, please disregard
517 2012-09-01 16:28:49 <kjj_> hmm.  does anyone know if the old getmemorypool RPC call was broken by an upgrade, or just removed as a design decision?
518 2012-09-01 16:30:19 <gmaxwell> kjj_: it was replaced with getblocktemplate.
519 2012-09-01 16:30:59 <gmaxwell> kjj_: BIP34 means that memorypool miners _MUST_ change their behavior in any case, so the backwards compatiblity with the old getmemorypool call was dropped.
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521 2012-09-01 16:31:15 <gmaxwell> and we took the chance to fix the misleading name.
522 2012-09-01 16:31:19 <kjj_> hmm
523 2012-09-01 16:31:51 <kjj_> 0.7.0rc1 runs so much better than 0.6.3 or 0.6.4, so I want to upgrade my p2pool nodes, but forrest hasn't got a release out for the new RPC calls yet
524 2012-09-01 16:32:03 <gmaxwell> kjj_: p2pool git.
525 2012-09-01 16:32:37 <gmaxwell> he's waiting on the release for 0.7, or otherwise p2pool users will upgrade and not have an acceptable bitcoin. (because of BIP34 it requires the new bitcoin IIRC)
526 2012-09-01 16:32:50 <kjj_> heh, I try to stick to releases whenever possible instead of git.
527 2012-09-01 16:33:06 <kjj_> but, grabbing a git once is probably less of a hack than wedging the old call back in
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529 2012-09-01 16:36:59 <Eliel> gmaxwell: may I suggest having getmemorypool return an error that suggests using getblocktemplate instead?
530 2012-09-01 16:37:25 <gmaxwell> Eliel: "Meh."
531 2012-09-01 16:37:33 <kjj_> Eliel: there probably isn't much point.  no one is calling it by hand that would be able to make sense of the error
532 2012-09-01 16:37:41 <gmaxwell> No. carrying more compatiblity code is just more bugs. People should read the release notes.
533 2012-09-01 16:37:54 <gmaxwell> And it's not like it produces a subtle error. :)
534 2012-09-01 16:38:17 <Eliel> kjj_: would help a significant portion of the people who try to debug the issue to figure out faster what's going on.
535 2012-09-01 16:38:54 <Eliel> it's not compatibility code. It's better error message.
536 2012-09-01 16:39:07 <gmaxwell> Eliel: if they just switch to getblocktemplate they'll probably get the BIP34 handling wrong.
537 2012-09-01 16:39:43 <gmaxwell> and it's not like this is a conventional end user interface.
538 2012-09-01 16:41:02 <kjj_> ooh.  he has a 4.0 release that he either didn't announce, or that I didn't notice and it appears to use getblocktemplate
539 2012-09-01 16:41:31 <Eliel> gmaxwell: may I suggest having 0.7 reject blocks and shares from miners who get BIP34 wrong? As in, don't let people mine obsolete blocks through that node but do accept them from the network.
540 2012-09-01 16:41:56 <gmaxwell> Eliel: the network's switchover will take care of that.
541 2012-09-01 16:42:12 <gmaxwell> But, hm.
542 2012-09-01 16:42:13 <kjj_> Eliel: heh, it will.  the exact method of deciding who is doing it wrong is still up for debate, or at least it still was yesterday
543 2012-09-01 16:42:20 <Eliel> gmaxwell: this would remove the worry about someone not implementing BIP-34 right.
544 2012-09-01 16:42:36 <Eliel> at least as long as they're using bitcoind
545 2012-09-01 16:44:13 <kjj_> the network will reject invalid v2 blocks already, his point was that anyone that just renames their RPC calls from getmemorypool to getblocktemplate aren't going to get them right when the change happens
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547 2012-09-01 16:44:56 <gmaxwell> Eliel: yea thats no the point though. it just moves the problem sooner. E.g. they'll waste time/power mining impoetent blocks.
548 2012-09-01 16:45:41 <Eliel> gmaxwell: yes, it makes it only their problem, leaving it for later potentially makes it a problem for the whole network.
549 2012-09-01 16:45:55 <gmaxwell> er, no it doesn't.
550 2012-09-01 16:46:11 <gmaxwell> once the rule enforcement triggers it applies locally too.
551 2012-09-01 16:47:09 <Eliel> does bitcoind offer developers a way to test if their code will work after the trigger too?
552 2012-09-01 16:47:19 <gmaxwell> Eliel: sure, mine on testnet.
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554 2012-09-01 16:47:55 <gmaxwell> thats the way what Luke successfully discovered that his initial implementation wouldn't.
555 2012-09-01 16:49:11 <Eliel> I still think it would make sense to use the stricter enforcement for miners already. What are the reasons not to do so?
556 2012-09-01 16:49:24 <kjj_> Eliel: what do you mean?
557 2012-09-01 16:50:17 <gmaxwell> Eliel: because it just moves the problems up to now.
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559 2012-09-01 16:50:36 <gmaxwell> (e.g. when people have had less time to figure it out)
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561 2012-09-01 16:51:04 <gmaxwell> bbl
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563 2012-09-01 16:51:56 <Eliel> gmaxwell: it's just the principle of fail early, fail fast.
564 2012-09-01 16:53:15 <MrTiggr> ;;ping
565 2012-09-01 16:53:16 <gribble> pong
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568 2012-09-01 16:56:51 <zveda> hello
569 2012-09-01 16:56:59 <zveda> so i copied across my .bitcoin folder
570 2012-09-01 16:57:03 <zveda> but now I get: ************************
571 2012-09-01 16:57:04 <zveda> EXCEPTION: 11DbException
572 2012-09-01 16:57:04 <zveda> Db::open: Invalid argument
573 2012-09-01 16:57:04 <zveda> bitcoin in Runaway exception
574 2012-09-01 16:57:04 <zveda> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'boost::exception_detail::clone_impl<boost::exception_detail::error_info_injector<boost::lock_error> >'
575 2012-09-01 16:57:05 <zveda>   what():  boost::lock_error
576 2012-09-01 16:57:07 <zveda> Aborted (core dumped)
577 2012-09-01 16:57:32 <kjj_> your databases weren't detached when you copied them most likely
578 2012-09-01 16:58:04 <zveda> aaah
579 2012-09-01 16:58:05 <kjj_> look in your data directory.  see if there is a db.log
580 2012-09-01 16:58:05 <zveda> yes
581 2012-09-01 16:58:15 <kjj_> what version, by the way?
582 2012-09-01 16:58:23 <zveda> 0.6.3
583 2012-09-01 16:58:24 <MrTiggr> ;) toldya the gurus in here cud help, zveda
584 2012-09-01 16:58:48 <zveda> Open database handle: wallet.dat/main
585 2012-09-01 16:58:48 <zveda> Open database handle: blkindex.dat/main
586 2012-09-01 16:58:48 <zveda> Open database handle: addr.dat/main
587 2012-09-01 16:58:48 <zveda> Database handles still open at environment close
588 2012-09-01 16:58:48 <zveda> Open database handle: blkindex.dat/main
589 2012-09-01 16:58:49 <zveda> Open database handle: addr.dat/main
590 2012-09-01 16:58:52 <zveda> says that many times
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592 2012-09-01 16:59:00 <jaxtr> http://people.scs.carleton.ca/~clark/biblio/bitcoin/Karame%202012.pdf
593 2012-09-01 16:59:26 <kjj_> well...
594 2012-09-01 16:59:45 <kjj_> I'd start by deleting addr.dat because that file is painless to lose
595 2012-09-01 17:00:28 <kjj_> and if that doesn't help, can you cleanly shut down your first instance to do a recopy?
596 2012-09-01 17:00:29 <zveda> already tried
597 2012-09-01 17:00:37 <zveda> cant
598 2012-09-01 17:00:39 <zveda> all deleted
599 2012-09-01 17:00:48 <kjj_> if not, you can delete the blkindex.dat and blk*.dat files, but that means you'll have to redownload the whole chain
600 2012-09-01 17:00:54 <zveda> alright
601 2012-09-01 17:00:58 <zveda> I guess I must do that then
602 2012-09-01 17:01:04 <kjj_> be sure that you don't delete wallet.dat  :)
603 2012-09-01 17:01:35 <kjj_> and even take this opportunity to make another backup copy of it
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605 2012-09-01 17:01:52 <zveda> I have several backups
606 2012-09-01 17:01:57 <zveda> ok thx
607 2012-09-01 17:02:16 <zveda> btw when i make backups of wallet.dat does bitcoin need to be closed ?
608 2012-09-01 17:02:50 <kjj_> you can use the backupwallet RPC command if it is still running
609 2012-09-01 17:02:56 <kjj_> or, if you use a GUI, there is an option in there
610 2012-09-01 17:03:08 <zveda> I see
611 2012-09-01 17:03:15 <kjj_> or, if you want to just copy the file, then you do have to shut bitcoin down completely and wait for it to close
612 2012-09-01 17:04:08 <kjj_> do you copy your stuff around often, or was this just a one time thing?
613 2012-09-01 17:04:17 <zveda> one time
614 2012-09-01 17:04:51 <kjj_> ok.  in the future, if you are planning to copy it again, shut down, then start it back up using -detachdb, then shut down again
615 2012-09-01 17:06:58 <kjj_> One of my nodes copies the chain out to an rsync server for cloning to other nodes, I put detachdb=1 in my bitcoin.conf file because I do it so often, but that's not necessary if you only do it rarely
616 2012-09-01 17:07:49 <MrTiggr> :D wow, thx kjj_ - i sent zveda here on a random hunch and yu were awsm ++ you guys
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619 2012-09-01 17:08:35 <kjj_> glad I could help.
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621 2012-09-01 17:10:04 <zveda> yes thx
622 2012-09-01 17:10:06 <zveda> again
623 2012-09-01 17:11:13 <zveda> hm something is really wrong with my bitcoin now
624 2012-09-01 17:11:15 <zveda> it is slow as hell
625 2012-09-01 17:11:33 <kjj_> it is download the whole blockchain over the network
626 2012-09-01 17:11:39 <kjj_> it'll take a while
627 2012-09-01 17:11:47 <zveda> no it was doing that before
628 2012-09-01 17:11:49 <zveda> but now it barely responds
629 2012-09-01 17:11:55 <zveda> and the DL is extremely slow
630 2012-09-01 17:12:05 <zveda> it can barely get thru the first blocks
631 2012-09-01 17:12:08 <zveda> the tiny ones
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633 2012-09-01 17:12:14 <zveda> at 200k
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636 2012-09-01 17:13:45 <kjj_> odd
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639 2012-09-01 17:16:43 <kjj_> is it getting any better?
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647 2012-09-01 17:20:02 <kjj_> by the way, I just fired up a fresh copy of the QT version so I could see how mine acts while downloading the chain.  ~185k blocks to go and still acting normal
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674 2012-09-01 17:25:05 <denisx> is BOOST 1.50 a must for bitcoin 0.7?
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680 2012-09-01 17:26:20 <zveda> back soz
681 2012-09-01 17:26:25 <zveda> lost connection to freenode
682 2012-09-01 17:26:36 <kjj_> denisx: I thought they said it was, but my linux box compiled it just fine with an older version
683 2012-09-01 17:26:46 <zveda> anyway now that I've copied across my wallet.dat, the blockchain sync is going 100x slower. is that normal ?
684 2012-09-01 17:26:56 <kjj_> so, it might be for windows or mac
685 2012-09-01 17:27:06 <kjj_> zveda: how many blocks to go?
686 2012-09-01 17:27:16 <zveda> 190k
687 2012-09-01 17:27:27 <kjj_> woah.  what kind of box is this?
688 2012-09-01 17:27:39 <zveda> good one
689 2012-09-01 17:27:42 <zveda> quad core etc
690 2012-09-01 17:27:48 <kjj_> I started like 10 minutes after you on my crappy ancient p4, and I'm up to ~160k
691 2012-09-01 17:27:49 <zveda> ati something vid card
692 2012-09-01 17:27:56 <zveda> well I restarted a few times
693 2012-09-01 17:28:24 <zveda> but before when I had an empty wallet.dat, it was going so fast
694 2012-09-01 17:28:32 <zveda> is that expected?
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696 2012-09-01 17:29:17 <kjj_> well, it has to scan for transactions matching your keys
697 2012-09-01 17:29:44 <kjj_> but the wallet should have a checkpoint saved in it.
698 2012-09-01 17:30:13 <kjj_> and I wouldn't expect that huge of a difference either way, but maybe I'm wrong about how long it takes to do that
699 2012-09-01 17:30:41 <kjj_> easy enough to check though.  shut down nicely, move your wallet.dat elsewhere, start it back up
700 2012-09-01 17:30:51 <zveda> yes I did that
701 2012-09-01 17:30:57 <zveda> without my wallet it goes super fast
702 2012-09-01 17:31:06 <kjj_> you have lots of keys in your wallet?
703 2012-09-01 17:31:10 <zveda> yeap
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705 2012-09-01 17:31:12 <zveda> 9mb file
706 2012-09-01 17:31:27 <kjj_> holy crap, ok
707 2012-09-01 17:31:36 <zveda> very big eh
708 2012-09-01 17:31:37 <kjj_> I thought that my 900k was getting a bit excessive
709 2012-09-01 17:31:49 <zveda> i need to reset it dont I
710 2012-09-01 17:32:00 <kjj_> heh.  reset your wallet?  nah
711 2012-09-01 17:32:13 <zveda> y not
712 2012-09-01 17:32:18 <zveda> i send all my money to a new wallet
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714 2012-09-01 17:32:49 <kjj_> well, I'm of the opinion that if anyone ever sends money to an old key that I once had, even if it was a mistake or whatever, I want to keep that money
715 2012-09-01 17:33:03 <zveda> lol
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717 2012-09-01 17:33:20 <zveda> then you may as well generate billions of keys
718 2012-09-01 17:33:22 <zveda> and squat them
719 2012-09-01 17:33:42 <kjj_> but if you are pretty sure that'll never happen, go for it.  but I'd keep a copy of it around just in case, maybe check for bonus pennies once a year or whatever
720 2012-09-01 17:33:53 <zveda> hmm ok
721 2012-09-01 17:33:56 <zveda> that sounds reasonable I guess
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724 2012-09-01 17:39:54 <denisx> ok, bitcoin 0.7rc1 is now running on freebsd
725 2012-09-01 17:40:09 <kjj_> sweet!
726 2012-09-01 17:40:31 <kjj_> which version of boost did you end up with?  and just bitcoind or QT?
727 2012-09-01 17:40:39 <denisx> only bitcoind
728 2012-09-01 17:40:58 <denisx> boost seems to be 1.45
729 2012-09-01 17:41:25 <denisx> bdb is 4.8
730 2012-09-01 17:42:30 <kjj_> I hope the devs don't upgrade to 1.50 any time soon.  I don't remember what I had to do for a static build of 1.40, but I remember that it was annoying
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733 2012-09-01 17:46:08 <denisx> can anybody test if there is a bitcoin running on 2a00:1328:e100:cc42:230:48ff:fe92:55c on port 8333?
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736 2012-09-01 17:53:19 <nathan7> denisx: I can connect to that port
737 2012-09-01 17:53:42 <denisx> nathan7: with another bitcoind or simply with telnet?
738 2012-09-01 17:55:02 <nathan7> denisx: netcat
739 2012-09-01 17:55:11 <nathan7> denisx: the network swiss army knife C=
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817 2012-09-01 20:42:08 <keverw> Hey! Is there a API call similar to gettransaction but where you can give a CSV list of TXs and get a result back similar to listtransactions?
818 2012-09-01 20:43:03 <tcatm> Nope.
819 2012-09-01 20:43:13 <sipa> keverw: not CSV, but since 0.7 we do support JSON-RPC 2.0, which means you can send a list of queries, and get a list of responses
820 2012-09-01 20:43:31 <sipa> don't know about any client library that supports it though
821 2012-09-01 20:43:55 <keverw> oh dang.
822 2012-09-01 20:44:07 <keverw> I guess a loop could work… idk….
823 2012-09-01 20:46:36 <keverw> I wish I had a real time stream of incoming TXs. that I could run on my own box(node.js) and works for both testNet and production. Right now I'm trying polling.
824 2012-09-01 20:46:52 <sipa> you could try pynode
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829 2012-09-01 20:53:09 <jgarzik> keverw: pynode, for the real time stream
830 2012-09-01 20:54:25 <jgarzik> sipa: https://github.com/jgarzik/python-bitcoinrpc supports batch JSON-RPC
831 2012-09-01 20:55:08 <keverw> hmm. I'm using Node.js….. hmm.
832 2012-09-01 20:55:20 <sipa> keverw: or look into bitcoin-js
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834 2012-09-01 20:55:48 <keverw> Yeah I did and waiting for the next version due to some issue. Was talking to some people on a GitHub issue.
835 2012-09-01 20:56:07 <keverw> but I guess this polling and looping stuff should work for now.
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845 2012-09-01 21:35:05 <davout> sipa: is bitcoin-js still maintained ?
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847 2012-09-01 21:37:03 <BlueMatt> yes, though I get the feeling activity on the project is less than what it used to be
848 2012-09-01 21:37:26 <BlueMatt> (mostly due to apparent lack of interest, afair)
849 2012-09-01 21:42:27 <sipa> davout: afaik, yes
850 2012-09-01 21:42:54 <davout> good! i think it's pretty awesome
851 2012-09-01 21:43:12 <gavinandresen> Luke-Jr: you broke the faucet.  git bisect tells me commit c3f95ef13f48d21db53992984976eac93e7a08fc "Choose reasonable "smart" times to display for transactions" is causing memory corruption.
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853 2012-09-01 21:43:43 <BlueMatt> Luke-Jr/gavinandresen: before fixing, write a test-case ;)
854 2012-09-01 21:44:03 <gavinandresen> for memory corruption?
855 2012-09-01 21:44:18 * gavinandresen thinks about how to do that....
856 2012-09-01 21:44:39 <gavinandresen> make valgrind-test   maybe....
857 2012-09-01 21:45:29 <gavinandresen> Actually, a jenkins test that runs a testnet-in-a-box bitcoind or two under valgrind and then does a bunch of RPC calls would be nifty.
858 2012-09-01 21:48:09 <BlueMatt> well, if you are getting memory corruption, are you not getting a libstdc error or segfault or something?
859 2012-09-01 21:48:36 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt: runs perfectly on my mac, crashes on Linux.  valgrind complains on my mac.
860 2012-09-01 21:48:43 <BlueMatt> mmm
861 2012-09-01 21:48:52 <BlueMatt> yea, running in valgrind would be cool too
862 2012-09-01 21:48:58 * BlueMatt needs to put the test scripts in a git repo...
863 2012-09-01 21:49:07 <gavinandresen> good idea
864 2012-09-01 21:49:17 <BlueMatt> ok, give me a minute...
865 2012-09-01 21:59:43 <denisx> can anybody test if there is a bitcoin running on 2a00:1328:e100:cc42:230:48ff:fe92:55c on port 8333?
866 2012-09-01 21:59:53 <denisx> someone tested with netcat already
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868 2012-09-01 22:04:08 <Luke-Jr> gavinandresen: how?
869 2012-09-01 22:04:24 <gavinandresen> I just added a comment to the bug.
870 2012-09-01 22:04:36 <gavinandresen> Luke-Jr: see https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1768
871 2012-09-01 22:04:41 <Luke-Jr> aha
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873 2012-09-01 22:04:56 <Luke-Jr> gavinandresen: sorry, I should know better :/
874 2012-09-01 22:05:09 <BlueMatt> I still need to convert a few things, but if anyone wants to take a look, it will be at: https://github.com/TheBlueMatt/test-scripts
875 2012-09-01 22:05:12 <Luke-Jr> gavinandresen: would you like me to fix it, or are you already on that?
876 2012-09-01 22:05:36 <gavinandresen> please fix it, I'm about to disappear for a while...
877 2012-09-01 22:05:47 <Luke-Jr> ok
878 2012-09-01 22:06:01 <gavinandresen> Luke-Jr: can you run valgrind?
879 2012-09-01 22:06:24 <Luke-Jr> gavinandresen: as I understand it, there's some black magic needed to run bdb in valgrind, so I doubt it :/
880 2012-09-01 22:06:33 <gavinandresen> I should create a doc/valgrind.txt explaining the black magic
881 2012-09-01 22:06:48 <gavinandresen> You have to compile openssl and bdb with make-valgrind-happy flags
882 2012-09-01 22:07:05 <BlueMatt> or just try to figure out what to ignore and what not to...
883 2012-09-01 22:07:11 <BlueMatt> (its not *that* bad)
884 2012-09-01 22:07:27 * Luke-Jr thinks Valgrind has a "ignore list" thing
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887 2012-09-01 22:20:55 <Luke-Jr> gavinandresen: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1774
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