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15 2012-09-15 00:15:57 <eian> I just oredered a desktop with 64 gb of ram, muhaha
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26 2012-09-15 00:33:46 <em_> hi
27 2012-09-15 00:33:58 <em_> [[ Ey folks, i want someone that is good in Server things and know how to host a Bitcoin farm on a server online ]] we can have a deal
28 2012-09-15 00:34:48 <em_> anyone here ????????
29 2012-09-15 00:35:03 <eian> are you talking about a mining rig?
30 2012-09-15 00:35:20 <em_> hey eian
31 2012-09-15 00:35:32 <eian> try #bitcoin-mining
32 2012-09-15 00:35:42 <em_> well i dont know too much things in mining and codding
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43 2012-09-15 00:56:21 <arij> Hey do I need linux to run a .jar?
44 2012-09-15 00:56:34 <ErnestoJuarell> that's a java file
45 2012-09-15 00:56:45 <arij> so?
46 2012-09-15 00:56:51 <ErnestoJuarell> any os with JVM can run it
47 2012-09-15 00:56:57 <arij> so i can do windows to
48 2012-09-15 00:56:59 <arij> alright thanks
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149 2012-09-15 04:37:37 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: ping
150 2012-09-15 04:38:27 <gmaxwell> pong
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154 2012-09-15 04:44:48 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: I'm pondering how to implement coinbasevalue for BFGMiner, but the problem I hit is how to deal with users mining on the same address from multiple machines
155 2012-09-15 04:44:54 <Luke-Jr> how to make the work unique on them, that is
156 2012-09-15 04:45:15 <Luke-Jr> I presume Windows has some kind of GUID generator, but not sure if Linux has anything similar or if there might be a portable solution
157 2012-09-15 04:45:41 <gmaxwell> there is.. but I dont know that that sounds like a great idea.
158 2012-09-15 04:45:59 <gmaxwell> how much randomness do you need?
159 2012-09-15 04:46:18 <Luke-Jr> doesn't have to be random, just unique across computers ignorant of each other
160 2012-09-15 04:46:27 <Luke-Jr> if getting the MAC address wasn't a pain, I'd just SHA256 that :p
161 2012-09-15 04:46:45 <gmaxwell> just e.g. read /dev/urandom or the equal on windows.
162 2012-09-15 04:46:46 <Luke-Jr> although I suppose some miners might run multiple instances on the same PC
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164 2012-09-15 04:46:56 <Luke-Jr> hm
165 2012-09-15 04:47:03 <gmaxwell> and use enough that its unlikely to collide.
166 2012-09-15 04:53:54 <Luke-Jr> not finding a trivial way to get entropy on Windows, sigh :<
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168 2012-09-15 04:55:10 <gmaxwell> go look to see what tor does.
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170 2012-09-15 04:57:11 <Luke-Jr> Tor probably links to Windows crypto libs
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175 2012-09-15 05:19:08 <Luke-Jr> ugh crap
176 2012-09-15 05:19:22 <Luke-Jr> I'd be forced to implement a base58 parser to do this :/
177 2012-09-15 05:20:06 <Luke-Jr> not sure it's worth it
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233 2012-09-15 07:47:18 <stamit> i'd like to state that gmaxwell is now officially BANNED from the WORLD
234 2012-09-15 07:47:36 <stamit> it's a final decision, i am afraid
235 2012-09-15 07:47:41 <stamit> cannot be appealed
236 2012-09-15 07:48:05 <stamit> unless you are thinking about talking to someone like "god" or whatever higher authority, like htat
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238 2012-09-15 07:48:25 <stamit> you should pray, gmaxwell
239 2012-09-15 07:48:58 <stamit> next time, next life, think better about what you type
240 2012-09-15 07:49:49 <stamit> you are no longer to be considered human
241 2012-09-15 07:49:57 <stamit> you are now a non-human creature, such as "troll"
242 2012-09-15 07:50:03 <stamit> you get this?
243 2012-09-15 07:50:33 <stamit> that's how you are to stay
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250 2012-09-15 08:06:22 * Luke-Jr wonders why stamit isn't banned yet
251 2012-09-15 08:06:39 <stamit> it's because he talks in this official manner
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253 2012-09-15 08:08:05 <stamit> i could perhaps bring a pal to play along and make the decision really really official
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255 2012-09-15 08:09:39 <stamit> yes, gmaxwell, we've discussed your case AT LENGTH
256 2012-09-15 08:09:57 * Luke-Jr /ignore stamit
257 2012-09-15 08:10:56 <stamit> we've determined that your symptoms are due to a bigger problem
258 2012-09-15 08:11:28 <stamit> you need to pay us, in order to be properly evaluated about your mental state
259 2012-09-15 08:13:07 <stamit> (unless you are covered by our insurance)
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269 2012-09-15 08:44:18 * stamit really wonders who is this Juke-Jr character, and why he isn't banned yet
270 2012-09-15 08:44:36 <stamit> you totally have to /ignore Luke-Jr
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275 2012-09-15 08:50:40 <Detritus> Luke-Jr people know. stamit people don't.
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292 2012-09-15 09:45:51 <daedeloth> I'm setting up a cron job that processes all transactiosn since last cronjob
293 2012-09-15 09:46:03 <daedeloth> I noticed there is a start & limit parameter for gettransactions
294 2012-09-15 09:46:19 <daedeloth> but the transactions don't seem to have an id
295 2012-09-15 09:47:04 <daedeloth> is there a way to not "count them manually in the database"?
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298 2012-09-15 09:48:42 <daedeloth> hm it works the other way around
299 2012-09-15 09:48:43 <daedeloth> never mind
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319 2012-09-15 10:40:37 <sipa> how large is blkindex.dat these days?
320 2012-09-15 10:41:52 <Joric> 900 megs
321 2012-09-15 10:42:13 <Joric> 966 rather
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323 2012-09-15 10:44:01 <daedeloth> what happens when the bitcoins of a false transaction gets send to a new account?
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325 2012-09-15 10:44:25 <daedeloth> ie: "forwarding fake coins"
326 2012-09-15 10:45:44 <Luke-Jr> there are no fake coins
327 2012-09-15 10:46:05 <daedeloth> yea but there are fake transactions, right?
328 2012-09-15 10:47:37 <sipa> there are invalid transactions
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330 2012-09-15 10:47:45 <sipa> and there potentially reversed transactions
331 2012-09-15 10:47:58 <sipa> (after a reorganization)
332 2012-09-15 10:48:23 <daedeloth> well, invalid transactions. What if I take an invalid transaction and I create a new invalid transaction based on this invalid transaction
333 2012-09-15 10:48:46 <daedeloth> does that influence my bitcoin client? Or are the invalid transactions just ignroed by the miners?
334 2012-09-15 10:49:05 <sipa> yes, miners are required to fully validate transactions
335 2012-09-15 10:49:19 <daedeloth> so they are just ignroed and there are no consequences for my client?
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337 2012-09-15 10:51:35 <Luke-Jr> daedeloth: all fully validating clients ignore invalid transactions
338 2012-09-15 10:51:44 <daedeloth> ok, great, thanks :)
339 2012-09-15 10:52:00 <daedeloth> was just wondering if my client would get "punished" for sending out invalid transactions
340 2012-09-15 10:52:09 <Luke-Jr> it would
341 2012-09-15 10:52:23 <daedeloth> hm, how so?
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343 2012-09-15 10:52:35 <Luke-Jr> fully validating clients like to ban clients that give them invalid transactions
344 2012-09-15 10:52:48 <daedeloth> aha, ok
345 2012-09-15 10:53:17 <daedeloth> I will keep that in mind :)
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358 2012-09-15 11:22:13 <daedeloth> hm, client 2 is syncing and I don't want to wait, can someone send me 1BTC on testnet to mqtD3YEGRaqQZFdGVt3pMbyqo2DXvtYZZA ? Thanks
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525 2012-09-15 16:18:36 <diki> Hmm, someone's spammed Satoshi's address(if it is in fact his) with some binary ASCII messages.
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527 2012-09-15 16:20:06 <MC1984> orly
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530 2012-09-15 16:23:44 <diki> i only decoded the first word
531 2012-09-15 16:23:57 <diki> it said scam so i ignored it
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536 2012-09-15 16:33:20 <sturles> Why don't people just send messages as text instead?
537 2012-09-15 16:33:51 <sturles> If you are on a *nix system, type "strings ~/.bitcoin/blk0001.dat" to see what I mean.
538 2012-09-15 16:34:14 <sturles> The block chain is full of text messages.
539 2012-09-15 16:34:15 <copumpkin> that stuff is put into whole blocks
540 2012-09-15 16:34:22 <sturles> Even a picture of Ben Bernanke.
541 2012-09-15 16:34:28 <copumpkin> unless you're mining solo or run a pool, you can't put that in
542 2012-09-15 16:34:35 <copumpkin> (as far as I know)
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544 2012-09-15 16:35:34 <sturles> Should be possible for anyone as long as you can make a valid transaction out of it. (Valid as in accepted by the clients, not is actually sending redeemable coins.)
545 2012-09-15 16:35:57 <copumpkin> you don't get much control over the content of a transaction though
546 2012-09-15 16:36:31 <copumpkin> in theory you can put an arbitrary program in there, which would give you lots of room to spew crap, but I don't think most people will relay weird transactions
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551 2012-09-15 16:47:21 <sturles> You can add an arbitrary message to any transaction. https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Script#Transaction_with_a_message
552 2012-09-15 16:48:23 <sturles> Not encouraged, of course.
553 2012-09-15 16:48:28 * otimm wonders if there is some virus code in the block chain, just to set off alarms, sabotage bitcoin
554 2012-09-15 16:48:28 <gmaxwell> sturles: nodes will not relay that.
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556 2012-09-15 16:48:36 <gmaxwell> sturles: nor will most miners mine it.
557 2012-09-15 16:49:12 <sturles> Some will, as long as you add a fee.
558 2012-09-15 16:49:20 <gmaxwell> otimm: I tried to put such a signature in the testnet blockchain, but I was unable to find any virus sig that would setoff virus scanners when placed in the middle of a random non-executable file.
559 2012-09-15 16:49:45 <gmaxwell> sturles: I did say most, but it doesn't change that most nodes won't relay it. None of the standard software does.
560 2012-09-15 16:50:14 <otimm> gmaxwell: ah, thx
561 2012-09-15 16:50:39 <gmaxwell> otimm: there is an official 'test' signature, which I did put in, however.
562 2012-09-15 16:50:47 <gmaxwell> but nothing triggers on it.
563 2012-09-15 16:51:10 <gmaxwell> (because of the aformentioned middle of a non-executable)
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579 2012-09-15 17:10:03 <otimm> skimming through the docs: the network protocol over tcp is cleartext, just signed messages, right?
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581 2012-09-15 17:12:09 <otimm> no ssl, no compression?
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584 2012-09-15 17:13:08 <lianj> no, network protocol messages are not signed
585 2012-09-15 17:14:04 <gmaxwell> No ssl, not needed, no compression (wouldn't do much).
586 2012-09-15 17:14:59 <otimm> thx
587 2012-09-15 17:15:47 <gmaxwell> we use sha256 for 'checksums' on messages, just to prevent corruption.
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591 2012-09-15 17:21:12 <otimm> but that would mean a transaction with a containing a known virus code as OP_DROP message could set off a tcp network sniffer. or other deep packet systems looking for other known byte string markers?
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596 2012-09-15 17:22:12 <gmaxwell> otimm: yes, although as mentioned above, we don't relay those.
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598 2012-09-15 17:22:44 <gmaxwell> thats an argument for obfscuating the network connections, at least, I suppose.
599 2012-09-15 17:23:27 <eian> gmaxwell, are the rules for dropping strange traffic somewhere up on the wiki?
600 2012-09-15 17:23:43 <otimm> yes, that is my thinking. i think "encrypt everything" is a good idea imho
601 2012-09-15 17:24:03 <otimm> or obfuscate meaningful at least
602 2012-09-15 17:24:56 <eian> How would you encrypt data on a p2p network without presharing keys offline?
603 2012-09-15 17:24:57 <gmaxwell> otimm: yes, but it has its own consequences, it adds complexity, and will interfear with people understanding how the security of the system works.. the latter is probably less important now.
604 2012-09-15 17:25:08 <gmaxwell> eian: you just negioate the key when you connect.
605 2012-09-15 17:25:28 <gmaxwell> The purpose there is only to throw off misguided sniffers, not actual security.
606 2012-09-15 17:25:40 <eian> ah
607 2012-09-15 17:25:47 <gmaxwell> negotiate*
608 2012-09-15 17:26:11 <gmaxwell> eian: the list on the wiki is hopelessly out of date.
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610 2012-09-15 17:26:25 <eian> gmaxwell, I think I've put off reading the code long enough
611 2012-09-15 17:26:27 <eian> here we go!
612 2012-09-15 17:26:32 <OneEyed> gmaxwell: I have the hope of finding one or more students interested in developing a bitcoin node using Scala/Akka during this academic year. That would be a great foundation for building other services.
613 2012-09-15 17:26:57 <eian> OneEyed, are you a professor?
614 2012-09-15 17:27:14 <OneEyed> eian: yup
615 2012-09-15 17:27:24 <eian> Mind me asking where?
616 2012-09-15 17:27:29 <OneEyed> eian: http://www.rfc1149.net/sam.html
617 2012-09-15 17:27:29 <eian> I'm a masters student
618 2012-09-15 17:28:54 <eian> Would would you need a scala implementation? What's wrong with the C++ implementation? (Or the Java implementation?)
619 2012-09-15 17:28:59 <eian> **Why would
620 2012-09-15 17:29:42 <OneEyed> eian: nothing wrong with the current implementations â the network becomes stronger if it accomodates heterogeneous nodes
621 2012-09-15 17:30:24 <OneEyed> And I dislike Java as a language. I use Java libraries in Scala of course, I'd not reinvent all the crypto stuff, but I'd prefer a higher level interface
622 2012-09-15 17:30:44 <eian> I see
623 2012-09-15 17:31:15 <eian> Is scala more amenable to program analysis or something?
624 2012-09-15 17:31:29 <OneEyed> eian: and Akka (though usable from Java too) offers the same basic principles as Erlang (asynchronous message passing, supervision infrastructure, distribution, etc.)
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626 2012-09-15 17:32:01 <eian> I wouldn't know :P I've only worked in C/C++/Java
627 2012-09-15 17:32:12 <OneEyed> eian: you should learn Scala, you would probably love it :)
628 2012-09-15 17:33:22 <eian> Does anyone in industry use it? (Honest question - I really have no idea)
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631 2012-09-15 17:35:13 <otimm> an erlang or node.js based bitcoin node, that would really add some heterogeneity, not another jvm byte code based one ;)
632 2012-09-15 17:35:31 <OneEyed> eian: apart from Twitter, Foursquare, The Guardian, and others? :)
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634 2012-09-15 17:35:41 <eian> ah - I see :)
635 2012-09-15 17:36:40 <OneEyed> otimm: well, if you go this way, Erlang being written in C, it would add nothing compared to cbitcoin :)
636 2012-09-15 17:37:17 <OneEyed> eian: you have some companies listed on http://www.typesafe.com/
637 2012-09-15 17:38:07 <eian> I see, hah
638 2012-09-15 17:38:21 <otimm> the jvm byte code is a tad more restrictive than c ;)
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641 2012-09-15 17:45:08 <otimm> different high level syntax using the same java libraries and the same huge runtime is not really heterogeneous from the outside/low level perspective, but if the code is cleaner and more easily understandable, why not :)
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643 2012-09-15 17:48:14 <Eliel> OneEyed: the incomplete haskell implementation, PureCoin, could be a good reference to ponder about.
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653 2012-09-15 18:01:08 <OneEyed> Eliel: did they go far? What I had seen was a Forth interpreter to interpret the scripts. Writing Forth interpreters/compilers is fun, we've all done that, but not really the gist of the problem.
654 2012-09-15 18:04:12 <Eliel> I think it's pretty close to a complete node.
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656 2012-09-15 18:05:02 <Eliel> roconnor didn't release it since he's not checked it's 100% bitcoind quirks compatible as well.
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660 2012-09-15 18:18:42 <gmaxwell> Eliel: I believe he knows for a fact it isn't.
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662 2012-09-15 18:19:29 <Tril> does listunspent n m '["somebtcaddress"]' include change addresses?
663 2012-09-15 18:19:35 <gmaxwell> but it's sort of odd to hear the comparison above. I belive the reference node is the only complete full node implementation which is actively maintained. The other mainted nodes are just spv nodes.
664 2012-09-15 18:19:40 <gmaxwell> Tril: yes.
665 2012-09-15 18:21:30 * Tril rescans
666 2012-09-15 18:21:32 <stamit> have you been say a fan of mine, following what i do for the time i am here, so as to say i've been becoming "stranger and stranger"?
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668 2012-09-15 18:22:52 <stamit> i must say i am totally honored...
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670 2012-09-15 18:25:28 <stamit> i'm not really trying to be very "professional" anymore, after my "professional" experiences
671 2012-09-15 18:25:52 <stamit> i'd rather be totally UNprofessional
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691 2012-09-15 18:56:59 <otimm> only vint cerf is allowed to look and act very professional as an true engineer(â¢)
692 2012-09-15 18:58:23 <midnightmagic> :-/
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694 2012-09-15 18:58:56 <otimm> the rest has to conform to the dilbert stereotype
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706 2012-09-15 19:22:05 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: I was under the impression bitcoinjs was actively maintained
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708 2012-09-15 19:22:13 <BlueMatt> (and its a full node, up to being able to generate getworks)
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717 2012-09-15 19:36:29 <dk5> do all the 1dice addresses belong to Satoshi dice? there are quite a few that start with 1dice that aren't published on the Satoshi Dice site
718 2012-09-15 19:37:50 <Joric> dk5, it's just a 4 char prefix i can generate i a ton of those in no time
719 2012-09-15 19:38:14 <Joric> takes less than a second on oclvanitygen
720 2012-09-15 19:38:26 <dk5> i see
721 2012-09-15 19:38:34 <dk5> i guess people have been doing that then
722 2012-09-15 19:38:35 <dk5> heh
723 2012-09-15 19:38:49 <Tril> does bitcoinj unnecessarily combine inputs like satoshi client?
724 2012-09-15 19:39:13 <dk5> satoshi client combines inputs?
725 2012-09-15 19:39:33 <Tril> dk5: constantly. you have to use raw transactions if you value privacy.
726 2012-09-15 19:39:43 <dk5> how so?
727 2012-09-15 19:40:30 <Joric> using a bunch of addresses better for the privacy than a single address
728 2012-09-15 19:40:51 <Tril> when you send bitcoins it will take multiple unspent inputs, add them into the TX together and sign them all in one TX, proving the same person owns both.
729 2012-09-15 19:41:44 <Tril> Although with raw transactions it's less proof :) I think you can now sign one, pass the TX to someone else to sign the other.
730 2012-09-15 19:42:06 <Joric> don't forget the change address, it also proves that the same person owns the change address
731 2012-09-15 19:42:29 <gmaxwell> Tril: the only thing that makes a distinctive effort to seperate like that is armory.
732 2012-09-15 19:42:35 <Tril> Joric: only if you can tell which one is change
733 2012-09-15 19:42:38 <Joric> bitcoinj clients have no coin control yet afaik
734 2012-09-15 19:43:03 <gmaxwell> the reference client is designed assuming that you'll use bitcoin correctly: only one payment to each address. In which case, anytime there is a txn that needs multiple inputs it would be combining.
735 2012-09-15 19:43:07 <dk5> i see. i thought you meant something else
736 2012-09-15 19:43:22 <gmaxwell> (and the reference client tries to use a single input first)
737 2012-09-15 19:44:02 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: thanks, I hadn't heard anyone really mention it much and though it had died down.
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739 2012-09-15 19:44:47 <gmaxwell> Tril: "proving the same person owns both" this isn't true, fwiw.
740 2012-09-15 19:45:05 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: I believe its largely dormant, but it is still maintained, I know justmoon was looking into checking the SIGHASH_SINGLE bug into bitcoinjs as well as testing with the block-chain-tester that pull-tester uses
741 2012-09-15 19:45:17 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: but i dont think its active (mostly lack of interest)
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743 2012-09-15 19:46:37 <gmaxwell> Tril: people are doing coin mixing by jointly authoring transactions, which is easy to do with the raw txn api.. and I expect services that facilitate this to be introduced after 0.7 final is released.
744 2012-09-15 19:46:43 <Tril> FWIW 0.7.0rc3 is working well
745 2012-09-15 19:47:21 <Joric> i was asking jgarzik about coin selection he said don't recall, is full of hueristics :)
746 2012-09-15 19:48:04 <gmaxwell> Joric: well, I know how it works. It's not really thta full of hueristics. It has a randomized subset sum solver.
747 2012-09-15 19:48:37 <gmaxwell> Joric: It's just a little painful to work on because screwing it up can make it destroy coin.
748 2012-09-15 19:49:00 <gmaxwell> s/destroy coin/send extreme fees/ really
749 2012-09-15 19:50:34 <Eliel> I think the deterministic wallets can potentially allow for better privacy. If a new address type is created that isn't actually an address in itself but rather a generator seed that allows you to generate as many as needed. You could then send each separate input into separate addresses.
750 2012-09-15 19:51:24 <BlueMatt> the real solution is a working payment protocol
751 2012-09-15 19:51:58 <gmaxwell> I'm pretty sure that the issue of address reuse has fairly little to do with persistant payment relationships, though thats an intended feature; and one of the reasons the HD wallets are hierarchical.
752 2012-09-15 19:52:08 <gmaxwell> What bluematt said.
753 2012-09-15 19:52:52 <BlueMatt> there are so many real solutions (with people discussion other ways to solve the issue) that just arent implemented in bitcoin - payment protocol, bitcoin backbone, downloading headers first......
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755 2012-09-15 19:53:50 <gmaxwell> well, there is ~no way to monetize development on the reference client. Centeralized services are much easier to turn into an income stream. And we have relatively few people working on it.
756 2012-09-15 19:53:50 <BlueMatt> we need to have a implementation week where all devs take a week off work and get paid by...mtgox? to work on bitcoin for a week and implement this stuff (oh, but first we need a better design so that they dont all conflict when they get merged...)
757 2012-09-15 19:54:07 <BlueMatt> yep
758 2012-09-15 19:54:29 <BlueMatt> s/mtgox/the theoretical bitcoin foundation that has been idealized for...years now/
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760 2012-09-15 19:55:32 <Eliel> is a default setting in the reference client to send something like 0.001 bitcoins per TX into a development fund a bad idea?
761 2012-09-15 19:55:35 <gmaxwell> varrious mozilla projects do 'work weeks' where they'll pay expenses (travel/hotel/food) to bring out a bunch of community developers to particpate in working on stuff in one of their office.
762 2012-09-15 19:55:51 <Eliel> of course, voluntary, so you can turn it off.
763 2012-09-15 19:56:09 <gmaxwell> Eliel: hm. well once there is a foundation we could have people check to send their subcent change there... which would improve their privacy.
764 2012-09-15 19:56:35 <benjamindees> I've somehow gotten 0.7.0rc2 into a state where I have an address that doesn't show up in 'getaddressesbyaccount'
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766 2012-09-15 19:57:07 <BlueMatt> benjamindees: elaborate?
767 2012-09-15 19:57:17 <benjamindees> 'listaccounts' only shows the one account, ""
768 2012-09-15 19:57:38 <benjamindees> but the address in question isn't listed
769 2012-09-15 19:57:48 <benjamindees> even though the balance is there
770 2012-09-15 19:57:58 <benjamindees> and I can dump the privkey
771 2012-09-15 19:58:21 <gmaxwell> benjamindees: change addresses are never show by the normal rpc calls.
772 2012-09-15 19:59:03 <benjamindees> what's the reason for that?
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774 2012-09-15 20:01:23 <gmaxwell> benjamindees: because showing them when you don't understand them makes it look like someone is stealing your funds.
775 2012-09-15 20:01:29 <gmaxwell> (and creates a lot of clutter)
776 2012-09-15 20:01:53 <gmaxwell> You can see them in calls for raw txn.. listunspent and the address grouping call.
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785 2012-09-15 20:10:07 <benjamindees> I'm not sure what an "address grouping call" is, but listunspent doesn't show addresses, only txids
786 2012-09-15 20:10:08 * BlueMatt ponders honors thesis topics in bitcoin...
787 2012-09-15 20:10:29 <BlueMatt> you can then get those txes via rpc
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789 2012-09-15 20:10:48 <benjamindees> and that diminishes privacy, if none of the RPC calls return change addresses so that they can be reused
790 2012-09-15 20:11:03 <BlueMatt> jgarzik said he was already looking into distributed exchanges/bonds right?
791 2012-09-15 20:11:46 <BlueMatt> hmm...maybe I should just talk to TD on monday
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797 2012-09-15 20:21:14 <gmaxwell> benjamindees: it shows txid + vouts.
798 2012-09-15 20:21:31 <gmaxwell> benjamindees: and listaddressgroupings
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801 2012-09-15 20:27:00 <benjamindees> wiki could use some updating it seems
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803 2012-09-15 20:28:42 <BlueMatt> wiki could always use some updating...but...yea
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805 2012-09-15 20:31:45 * sipa had lunch with RMS today
806 2012-09-15 20:32:04 <BlueMatt> lucky bastard
807 2012-09-15 20:32:27 <BlueMatt> how'd you get into that?
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809 2012-09-15 20:32:59 <sipa> there was this guy who knows genjix and lives in London, and got into the job of picking him up from the airport and stuff
810 2012-09-15 20:33:20 <BlueMatt> nice!
811 2012-09-15 20:33:22 <sipa> and through justmoon i met that guy in Iceland, and RMS apparently asked for some other people to join, and he asked me :)
812 2012-09-15 20:33:31 <sipa> (yeah, small world)
813 2012-09-15 20:33:50 <sipa> together with amiller and justmoon
814 2012-09-15 20:33:53 <BlueMatt> thats awesome
815 2012-09-15 20:34:18 <sipa> he even acknowledged that the GPL may not be the best license for something like bitcoin
816 2012-09-15 20:34:41 <sipa> but damn hell you need to pay attention to your words when near that man
817 2012-09-15 20:34:45 <BlueMatt> omg, daaamnnn
818 2012-09-15 20:35:16 <sipa> now, finish my presentation for tomorrow :)
819 2012-09-15 20:35:39 <BlueMatt> there will be videos afterwards?
820 2012-09-15 20:35:46 <sipa> i think so
821 2012-09-15 20:35:59 <sipa> i' ve seen cameras
822 2012-09-15 20:36:11 <sipa> TD's talk was today... good speaker
823 2012-09-15 20:37:50 <ersi> Awesome :)
824 2012-09-15 20:38:17 <Joric> what it was about
825 2012-09-15 20:40:17 <Joric> Beth Noveck: Demand a more open-source government that one?
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827 2012-09-15 20:41:01 <Joric> oh its TD not TED lol sorry
828 2012-09-15 20:41:36 <Joric> bitcoin conference etc
829 2012-09-15 20:42:25 <ersi> duh, hehe :)
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851 2012-09-15 21:26:51 <kreal> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=109814.0 <-- sorry
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883 2012-09-15 22:05:58 <sipa> tcatm: are you at the conference, actually<
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909 2012-09-15 22:29:03 <tcatm> sipa: nope
910 2012-09-15 22:30:23 <sipa> oh, too bad!
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919 2012-09-15 22:43:19 <sipa> wumpus: i've patched -loadblock to happen in a thread, instead of at startup
920 2012-09-15 22:43:37 <wumpus> sipa: cool
921 2012-09-15 22:43:40 <sipa> wumpus: one problem: the blocks progress bar at the botton only shows up when there is a connection
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923 2012-09-15 22:44:09 <sipa> and i'd like to give a very short demonstration tomorrow, here at the conference
924 2012-09-15 22:44:16 <sipa> can you advise me how to fix that?
925 2012-09-15 22:44:30 <wumpus> just make it show the progress bar always, I suppose is easiest then
926 2012-09-15 22:44:40 <wumpus> let me see
927 2012-09-15 22:44:47 <sipa> what is the criterion now?
928 2012-09-15 22:44:56 <sipa> code is in my ultraprune branch, but i didn't touch any gui code
929 2012-09-15 22:45:22 <wumpus> void BitcoinGUI::setNumBlocks(int count, int nTotalBlocks)
930 2012-09-15 22:45:25 <sipa> there's a global fImporting now, too (just a quick hack)
931 2012-09-15 22:45:27 <wumpus> first if statement
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933 2012-09-15 22:46:38 <sipa> great, found it; thanks!
934 2012-09-15 22:47:12 <Luke-Jr> I'd ask if you want to demonstrate GBT too⦠but there's really nothing to see XD
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936 2012-09-15 22:47:52 <sipa> jeff will be mentioning it in his state of the coin, i believe
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938 2012-09-15 22:49:31 <Luke-Jr> maybe let him know I have the full stack working now
939 2012-09-15 22:49:42 <Luke-Jr> BFGMiner --GBT--> Eloipool --GBT--> bitcoind
940 2012-09-15 22:50:05 <Luke-Jr> just released BFG 2.8.0 with it
941 2012-09-15 22:50:34 <Greee> hi, need some help with testnet i can ask here?
942 2012-09-15 22:50:47 <Luke-Jr> Greee: sure
943 2012-09-15 22:51:42 <Greee> im testing a pool script and i`m on testnet how long taks till i finish first block.
944 2012-09-15 22:51:52 <Greee> "blocks" : 82400,
945 2012-09-15 22:52:00 <Greee> "difficulty" : 0.87425461,
946 2012-09-15 22:52:00 <Greee> "testnet" : true,
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948 2012-09-15 22:52:27 <Luke-Jr> Greee: really depends on your mining device
949 2012-09-15 22:52:40 <Greee> 1200 MH/s
950 2012-09-15 22:52:42 <Luke-Jr> Greee: an i5-2400 should find one within 15 minutes
951 2012-09-15 22:52:50 <Luke-Jr> under 5 seconds then
952 2012-09-15 22:52:52 <Luke-Jr> :P
953 2012-09-15 22:52:59 <Greee> lol
954 2012-09-15 22:53:03 <Greee> well how i know
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957 2012-09-15 22:55:04 <sipa> wumpus: i suppose i need to add some proxy via clientmodel to access fImporting which is defined in main.h ?
958 2012-09-15 22:55:24 <sipa> goin to just include main.h directly now; clean code is for later :)
959 2012-09-15 22:55:32 <wumpus> sipa: yes, but I can do that if you want
960 2012-09-15 22:55:43 <wumpus> indeed
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962 2012-09-15 22:56:14 <sipa> can i increase the update frequency?
963 2012-09-15 22:56:30 <sipa> the first 100k blocks go at several 1000 blocks per second
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965 2012-09-15 22:57:01 <wumpus> yes, that's MODEL_UPDATE_DELAY
966 2012-09-15 22:57:12 <wumpus> defined in guiconstants.h
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969 2012-09-15 22:58:43 <sipa> great, nice
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973 2012-09-15 23:09:42 <Greee> listtransactions is active in testmode?
974 2012-09-15 23:09:58 <sipa> it should be
975 2012-09-15 23:11:14 <Greee> hmm
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977 2012-09-15 23:11:44 <Greee> i have no idea when i find a block in testmode... to insert in db.
978 2012-09-15 23:12:59 <Greee> [root@srvbtc ~]# /root/bitcoin/bin/64/bitcoind listtransactions
979 2012-09-15 23:12:59 <Greee> [
980 2012-09-15 23:12:59 <Greee> ]
981 2012-09-15 23:12:59 <Greee> [root@srvbtc ~]#
982 2012-09-15 23:13:14 <JuliaMartin1ka1> is empty
983 2012-09-15 23:13:38 <Greee> great how i fill it? :)
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985 2012-09-15 23:14:35 <sipa> by receiving/generating/sending coins
986 2012-09-15 23:15:21 <gmaxwell> Greee: when you find a block it will show up in that list.
987 2012-09-15 23:15:31 <Greee> in testmode?
988 2012-09-15 23:15:46 <Luke-Jr> testnet is not significantly different from mainnet
989 2012-09-15 23:15:48 <Luke-Jr> that's the point
990 2012-09-15 23:15:49 <Greee> [2012-09-15 23:08:33.294800] [::ffff:89.136.166.75] PROOF-OF-WORK submitted upstream. Result: TRUE
991 2012-09-15 23:15:49 <Greee> [2012-09-15 23:08:33.294829] PROOF-OF-WORK found
992 2012-09-15 23:15:50 <Greee> this ?
993 2012-09-15 23:16:12 <Luke-Jr> that was from bitcoind or your pool server?
994 2012-09-15 23:16:13 <Greee> oh
995 2012-09-15 23:16:16 <Greee> at last
996 2012-09-15 23:16:19 <Greee> [root@srvbtc ~]# /root/bitcoin/bin/64/bitcoind listtransactions
997 2012-09-15 23:16:19 <Greee> [
998 2012-09-15 23:16:19 <Greee> {
999 2012-09-15 23:16:19 <Greee> "account" : "",
1000 2012-09-15 23:16:19 <Greee> "category" : "immature",
1001 2012-09-15 23:16:19 <Greee> "amount" : 50.00050000,
1002 2012-09-15 23:16:20 <Greee> "confirmations" : 1,
1003 2012-09-15 23:16:20 <Greee> "blockhash" : "000000000012199f868c81a44e989a4a11f55727f3d88cd623ad6e285df0d7b6",
1004 2012-09-15 23:16:21 <Greee> "blockindex" : 0,
1005 2012-09-15 23:16:21 <Greee> "txid" : "bce3c9c24e6df079d8cdbaed09ef4c0c73562cb5933115e16a53a66ac9766987",
1006 2012-09-15 23:16:22 <Greee> "time" : 1347750513
1007 2012-09-15 23:16:22 <Greee> }
1008 2012-09-15 23:16:23 <Greee> ]
1009 2012-09-15 23:16:24 <Greee> [root@srvbtc ~]#
1010 2012-09-15 23:16:53 <Luke-Jr> don't do that/
1011 2012-09-15 23:17:08 <Greee> sry
1012 2012-09-15 23:18:10 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|jercos: buy me a pizza?
1013 2012-09-15 23:18:14 <nameless> !~root@weowntheinter.net|:p
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1016 2012-09-15 23:20:25 <eian> Luke, I'm looking at BFGMiner 2.8.0 - why aren't you packing Jansson with the source code?
1017 2012-09-15 23:20:39 <eian> Is it easier to maintain that way?
1018 2012-09-15 23:21:26 <Luke-Jr> eian: it's bad practice to include libraries in code; notably, in this case, it was making a pain for me since libblkmaker also needs it
1019 2012-09-15 23:22:03 <Luke-Jr> I was going to make it download the code for you if it was missing, but stupid automake threw fits about it :/
1020 2012-09-15 23:22:28 <eian> cool, just wondering
1021 2012-09-15 23:22:37 <eian> thanks for the insight
1022 2012-09-15 23:23:01 <Greee> block confirmation is auto? and account balance will be filled after confirmation? testnet!
1023 2012-09-15 23:24:22 <sipa> yes
1024 2012-09-15 23:24:48 <Greee> est time? till confirmed?
1025 2012-09-15 23:24:57 <Luke-Jr> a day
1026 2012-09-15 23:25:13 <Greee> k
1027 2012-09-15 23:25:51 <Luke-Jr> actually, testnet might be faster
1028 2012-09-15 23:25:58 <Luke-Jr> dunno tho
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1030 2012-09-15 23:26:56 <sipa> might be a lot slower too
1031 2012-09-15 23:27:24 <sipa> it depends on how many miners are active, and given that you have 80000 blocks, i assume you're still on testnet2
1032 2012-09-15 23:27:32 <sipa> which is somewhat broken
1033 2012-09-15 23:28:14 <Greee> "blocks" : 82403
1034 2012-09-15 23:28:20 <Greee> testnet2 ?
1035 2012-09-15 23:28:34 <Greee> im still on testnet
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1037 2012-09-15 23:29:20 <Luke-Jr> yes, he's on testnet2
1038 2012-09-15 23:29:49 <sipa> ;;bc,blocks
1039 2012-09-15 23:29:50 <gribble> 198957
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