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  7 2012-09-16 00:24:18 <dk5> are there any known clients that run on port 9901?
  8 2012-09-16 00:25:43 <sipa> my crawler knows about 19 such nodes
  9 2012-09-16 00:25:51 <gmaxwell> Those are ppcoin nodes.
 10 2012-09-16 00:25:56 <sipa> oh, righ
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 12 2012-09-16 00:26:02 <gmaxwell> Because the fools that created it didn't know to change the version.
 13 2012-09-16 00:26:10 <sipa> if only they changed the magic protocol bytes
 14 2012-09-16 00:26:28 <dk5> i've gotten 4591 malformed messages from those nodes
 15 2012-09-16 00:26:36 <sipa> quite expected
 16 2012-09-16 00:26:37 <gmaxwell> (they've now updated to fix that and didn't even bother making it accept connections from the old ones, so the network is partitioned)
 17 2012-09-16 00:26:39 <sipa> they aren't bitcoin nodes
 18 2012-09-16 00:26:53 <dk5> what are they?
 19 2012-09-16 00:27:50 <sipa> an altcoin
 20 2012-09-16 00:29:39 <dk5> just found their paper. so why are they connecting to the bitcoin network? their addresses are being relayed around
 21 2012-09-16 00:30:09 <gmaxwell> Because they didn't know that they should change the software to not do that.
 22 2012-09-16 00:30:20 <theymos> Kind of sad to think of nodes completely abandoned by the latest version...
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 24 2012-09-16 00:31:06 <dk5> they stole the header format i'm assuming
 25 2012-09-16 00:31:16 <dk5> message header*
 26 2012-09-16 00:31:18 <gmaxwell> dk5: it's just a lightly modified version of bitcoin.
 27 2012-09-16 00:31:27 <dk5> got it
 28 2012-09-16 00:31:34 <gmaxwell> dk5: I'd _guess_ the malformed messages are probably their 'checkpoint' messages. They broadcast checkpoints for ~every block.
 29 2012-09-16 00:31:49 <dk5> they're tx messages actually
 30 2012-09-16 00:32:12 <gmaxwell> dk5: yea, I think the checkpoint messages are tx messages.
 31 2012-09-16 00:32:22 <Joric> that freaking september's announcement will it be made today?
 32 2012-09-16 00:32:49 * gmaxwell gives gavin a withering look for inspiring the obsessives.
 33 2012-09-16 00:33:19 <dk5> gmaxwell: i see. that would make sense, my parser begins to complain as soon as it gets to the tx inputs
 34 2012-09-16 00:33:47 <dk5> do they use port 8889 as well?
 35 2012-09-16 00:34:14 <Joric> <kwukduck> soo, what was the big announcement in london...?
 36 2012-09-16 00:34:14 <Joric> <helo> iphone5 support
 37 2012-09-16 00:34:27 <gmaxwell> no, not unless they changed. .. dunno what 8889 is.
 38 2012-09-16 00:36:52 <sipa> Joric: there was no big announcement here
 39 2012-09-16 00:37:15 <sipa> *yet*
 40 2012-09-16 00:37:26 <sipa> (so easy to make people curious)
 41 2012-09-16 00:38:47 <Joric> it's 20 forum pages already
 42 2012-09-16 00:39:02 <Joric> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101011
 43 2012-09-16 00:39:06 <Luke-Jr> I sure hope it isn't iPhone 5 support
 44 2012-09-16 00:39:08 <Luke-Jr> that would be lame
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 46 2012-09-16 00:40:24 <helo> the only thing i can think of that could "make bitcoin more stable" is some kind of easy to use distributed exchange
 47 2012-09-16 00:41:17 <sipa> are there already bets about what's it going to be be? :p
 48 2012-09-16 00:41:37 <helo> at least such a thing would make bitcoin more stable in some future where mtgox gets shut down
 49 2012-09-16 00:42:00 <Luke-Jr> helo: that would make Bitcoin less stable. MtGox is good.
 50 2012-09-16 00:42:10 <Joric> the total elimination of satoshidice as an option
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 52 2012-09-16 00:46:25 <theymos> Gavin it mentioned what it actually is several-pages deep in one of the threads about it, IIRC.
 53 2012-09-16 00:46:44 <theymos> Or strongly hinted, at least.
 54 2012-09-16 00:48:05 <theymos> I wish some of the guesses in that thread were the truth! Like a government recognizing BTC -- that'd be really cool.
 55 2012-09-16 00:48:48 <Joric> 'The CIA microchip in Gavin's brain will be activated and CyberDev will be unleashed with mind control rays and laserbeams from his eyeballs...'
 56 2012-09-16 00:48:49 <Joric> found it
 57 2012-09-16 00:48:57 <helo> Luke-Jr: if mtgox disappeared overnight, could that cause some (probably temporary) instability?
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 59 2012-09-16 00:49:47 <theymos> Price would go down a lot of MtGox disappeared. That'd be really bad.
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 61 2012-09-16 00:50:19 <helo> Luke-Jr: i was saying that if more exchange was done via decentralized methods, mtgox dying wouldn't hurt as much
 62 2012-09-16 00:50:59 <helo> i.e. a decentralized bitcoin exchange system would make bitcoin more stable
 63 2012-09-16 00:51:19 <Joric> found it 2x
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 65 2012-09-16 00:51:33 <Joric> 'We have determined that this issue was caused by a bug in the trading engine due to a new feature planned for release in September.' -- Mark Karpeles, MtGox Co. Ltd.
 66 2012-09-16 00:53:18 <Joric> at least bitinstant knows what's that 'Someone in the first 10 pages got really close'
 67 2012-09-16 00:54:31 <helo> when is the conf over?
 68 2012-09-16 00:57:21 <helo> google is going to be employing core bitcoin devs full time
 69 2012-09-16 00:57:34 <helo> (my guess)
 70 2012-09-16 00:57:59 <helo> based on reading the thread
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 75 2012-09-16 01:04:56 <midnightmagic> helo: MagicalTux has been talking about something along those lines for quite some time. I don't recall now how he was thinking of doing it. There was talk at one point of a side-chain.
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 80 2012-09-16 01:13:55 <eian> what?
 81 2012-09-16 01:14:06 <eian> sorry, wrong window
 82 2012-09-16 01:14:51 <Luke-Jr> helo: are you factoring in the risk of p2p trading?
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 86 2012-09-16 01:19:17 <gmaxwell> helo: a decenteralized bitcoin exchange of the sort you're thinking cant be created. The USD is not a decenteralized cryptocurrency.
 87 2012-09-16 01:19:34 <gmaxwell> so there has to be parties that issue usd notes.. which must be trusted to make sure the notes are good.
 88 2012-09-16 01:20:09 <gmaxwell> Also, issuing USD notes inspires all kinds of regulatory hatred in the way that running a market that buys and sells something probably does not..
 89 2012-09-16 01:21:40 <MC-Eeepc> that guy got vanned hard for doing something that just had "dollars" in the name
 90 2012-09-16 01:22:57 <gmaxwell> well, if you're thinking of liberty dollar, he deserved it in a bunch of ways. E.g. the liberty dollar stuff _looked_ like something that you'd believe was official, and he encouraged people to pass it off as us currency. That case was pretty damning.
 91 2012-09-16 01:23:59 <MC-Eeepc> oh that last part was dumb of him
 92 2012-09-16 01:24:32 <midnightmagic> Why must the decentralized exchange be denominated in USD?
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 96 2012-09-16 01:26:44 <gmaxwell> midnightmagic: Because people want usd<>btc exchange.  If you denominate it in anything else you don't solve it. I mean, it doesn't matter what you call it, I expect. If it's pegged to the USD and redeemable for it I expect the random regulators to see through a name game.
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100 2012-09-16 01:29:14 <midnightmagic> independent sellers with items denominated in mtgoxusd or LR or non_USD might be treated differently. the important part is the nature of time-based sell captured in a visible manner
101 2012-09-16 01:32:11 <MC-Eeepc> i wonder if exchanges will ever become less important
102 2012-09-16 01:32:14 <helo> i guess localbitcoins is about as good as it gets
103 2012-09-16 01:32:21 <MC-Eeepc> as opposed to thier current paramount importance
104 2012-09-16 01:32:45 <helo> bitcoin traded on forex would be pretty interesting
105 2012-09-16 01:33:00 <midnightmagic> wth are localbitcoins?
106 2012-09-16 01:33:03 <MC-Eeepc> exhcanges are technically just a bootstrap mechanism, just like pools and every other silly thing built up so far
107 2012-09-16 01:33:17 <helo> localbitcoin is a site that lets you find people near you to exchange with in-person
108 2012-09-16 01:33:40 <helo> localbitcoins.com
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115 2012-09-16 01:37:52 <midnightmagic> holy crap, they're marking their prices up to $13.76 or more.
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117 2012-09-16 01:42:01 <helo> yeah, spreads are ridic
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125 2012-09-16 01:53:53 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: IMO, decentralized exchange is possible - there's just the risk of the non-Bitcoin party ripping you off
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127 2012-09-16 01:56:23 <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: well, right, I assumed secure decenteralized exchange. I should have clarified.
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129 2012-09-16 01:57:03 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: it could use multisig to reduce the incentive to scam, at least
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131 2012-09-16 01:57:45 <Luke-Jr> and dual-signed messages to prove terms of the agreement
132 2012-09-16 01:58:54 <gmaxwell> Not sure what you're thinking of there.. I mean, who has the USD?  just some guy? well then you have OTC with a fancier orderbook, but you basically can't eliminate the counterparty risk.
133 2012-09-16 01:59:17 <gmaxwell> and if it's mtgox or some other bank like entity. .. well, they're the centeral point(s).
134 2012-09-16 01:59:25 <gmaxwell> And either they have the funds or they don't.
135 2012-09-16 02:00:09 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: built-in OTC + multisig escrow > IRC OTC ☺
136 2012-09-16 02:01:14 <MagicalTux> gmaxwell: the idea we had was a system where anyone can be an issuer of value, and when placing an order you can choose which issuers you trust
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139 2012-09-16 02:01:34 <MagicalTux> unfortunately we have no better way to push USD (or other fiat) in such a system
140 2012-09-16 02:01:53 <MagicalTux> but the good thing is that it allows any kind of other orders to exist (xUSD vs yUSD, USD vs EUR, etc)
141 2012-09-16 02:01:55 <Luke-Jr> MagicalTux: so secure decentralized exchanges of MTGUSD, in other words?
142 2012-09-16 02:02:13 <MagicalTux> Luke-Jr: anyone trusted enough can take part
143 2012-09-16 02:02:16 <Luke-Jr> right
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175 2012-09-16 03:28:34 <denisx> is it normal that testnet3 does not accept any block?
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178 2012-09-16 03:29:13 <Luke-Jr> denisx: using an obsolete miner?
179 2012-09-16 03:29:25 <denisx> Luke-Jr: bitcoin-ultraprune
180 2012-09-16 03:29:39 <denisx> hmm, aehm, no, ztex miner
181 2012-09-16 03:29:53 <denisx> and cgminer
182 2012-09-16 03:30:16 <Luke-Jr> dunno anything about ultraprune
183 2012-09-16 03:33:07 <gmaxwell> denisx: it accepts blocks fine, I'm mining on it.
184 2012-09-16 03:33:34 <gmaxwell> denisx: are you either not synced up, or not connected, or not using the righ port/rpcuser/password?
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187 2012-09-16 03:36:25 <benjamindees> figured out my issue with nLockTime... I neglected to set the sequence number.  Seems to work now.
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189 2012-09-16 03:42:20 <benjamindees> http://blockchain.info/tx-index/24112789/b0fa60f601d5fe6fb1501aa614503b9af688492f68bcf8268d7cdb30f3534079
190 2012-09-16 03:42:40 <benjamindees> ^^ locked until block 199000
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195 2012-09-16 03:48:31 <gmaxwell>     "locktime" : 199000,
196 2012-09-16 03:48:42 <gmaxwell>             "sequence" : 4278190335
197 2012-09-16 03:48:46 <gmaxwell> yup.
198 2012-09-16 03:51:18 <benjamindees> and apparently I'm using the terminology backwards but, meh...
199 2012-09-16 03:54:26 <gmaxwell> yea, right. kinda goofy, sipa suggested the expectation was that it would only be used with transaction replacement.
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279 2012-09-16 07:08:28 <bitcoin_> when is the next bitcoin version going to be released?
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284 2012-09-16 07:17:19 <Luke-Jr> bitcoin_: probably when the conference is over
285 2012-09-16 07:17:44 <bitcoin_> oh ok Luke-Jr, i guess thats taking up alot of peoples time...
286 2012-09-16 07:17:58 <Luke-Jr> bitcoin_: 0.7rc3 is available tho
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307 2012-09-16 07:19:02 <bitcoin_> oh, can i see what new features are going to be in that version Luke-Jr ?
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309 2012-09-16 07:19:13 <Luke-Jr> you can download that rc3
310 2012-09-16 07:19:45 <bitcoin_> oh im mostly interested in a bug/feature list :)
311 2012-09-16 07:22:14 <Luke-Jr> yes, everyone is…
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325 2012-09-16 08:06:05 <OneEyed> % bitcoind getrawtransaction eb58b44a4aa6c8e34f53acc86fe3e7143602e88962e4f8db3dfb4f7a905c0532 | wc -c
326 2012-09-16 08:06:07 <OneEyed> 176573
327 2012-09-16 08:06:10 <OneEyed> Wow!
328 2012-09-16 08:07:06 <OneEyed> Too long to give to decoderawtransaction on the command line… Made my script crash, too bad.
329 2012-09-16 08:07:15 <OneEyed> Switching to JSON RPC then
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394 2012-09-16 10:37:16 <Ukto> hey guys, i had to shutdown one of my bitcoind servers, and bring it back up... now its stuck giving: ConnectInputs() mapTransactions prev not found, AcceptToMemoryPool() : ConnectInputs failed, storing orphan tx  over and over
395 2012-09-16 10:37:49 <Ukto> and now it finally started moving up block numbers.. very slowly
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404 2012-09-16 10:49:17 <Evilmax> bitcoin-24 has closed?
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421 2012-09-16 11:32:50 <JuliaMartin1ka1> hello. is possible to get block number from listtransactions?
422 2012-09-16 11:33:03 <JuliaMartin1ka1> on testnet?
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433 2012-09-16 11:59:51 <gmaxwell> JuliaMartin1ka1: the confirmation count gives you that, with a little subtraction
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461 2012-09-16 13:04:05 <JuliaMartin1ka1> question: last Y share from upstream_result is the last share of the block?
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463 2012-09-16 13:04:27 <JuliaMartin1ka1> how can I find the last share of the block?
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465 2012-09-16 13:06:02 <gmaxwell> 'last share'?  I'm not sure what you're asking about.
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470 2012-09-16 13:21:47 <JuliaMartin1ka1> is blockexporer (http://blockexplorer.com/testnet) on testnet updated? because in testnet last block number is 82628 and in blockexplorer is 26224
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472 2012-09-16 13:22:52 <gmaxwell> JuliaMartin1ka1: Bitcoin 0.7 resets testnet, and blockexplorer is on the new testnet.
473 2012-09-16 13:23:38 <gmaxwell> JuliaMartin1ka1: what were you asking about 'the last share of the block'? I didn't follow your question.
474 2012-09-16 13:26:00 <gmaxwell> "last block number is 82628" in indicates that you're talking about the old one.
475 2012-09-16 13:26:12 <Greee> gmaxwell: we use 60300 version , how we join the new testnet that blockexplore use?
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477 2012-09-16 13:28:17 <gmaxwell> Greee: you run bitcoin 0.7, from git or http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/bitcoin-0.7.0/test/
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479 2012-09-16 13:34:33 <Greee> ok thanks its updating "version" : 70003,
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503 2012-09-16 13:57:09 <JuliaMartin1ka1> question: we can use version 70003 in normal mode as server?
504 2012-09-16 13:58:10 <gmaxwell> As a server for what?
505 2012-09-16 13:58:58 <Greee> bitcoin network as pool server for mining.
506 2012-09-16 13:59:53 <gmaxwell> The reference client isn't a poolserver by itself, you use it with poolserver software. And yes, you can use it for that.
507 2012-09-16 14:00:00 <Greee> we build our front end script and 70003 is little new and modified with new details
508 2012-09-16 14:00:58 <gmaxwell> It would be wise to upgrade now or be ready to. It will become required to mine on the network eventually.
509 2012-09-16 14:02:03 <MobiusL> WHO voted for and approved this change?
510 2012-09-16 14:02:22 <gmaxwell> What change?
511 2012-09-16 14:02:50 <MobiusL> the next version of the bitcoin
512 2012-09-16 14:03:29 <gmaxwell> I suspect there is some confusion going on here.
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514 2012-09-16 14:03:59 <gmaxwell> MobiusL: The core development team releases updates to the software every couple months.
515 2012-09-16 14:04:48 <MobiusL> The question is WHO voted and approved it?
516 2012-09-16 14:05:03 <gmaxwell> It's a new version of the implementation, not of bitcoin itself. Bitcoin software from years ago continues to work.
517 2012-09-16 14:05:34 <gmaxwell> There is no voting.
518 2012-09-16 14:05:43 <MobiusL> Then the question is WHO voted and approved it the new implementation?
519 2012-09-16 14:06:08 <MobiusL> Then the question is WHO approved the new implementation?
520 2012-09-16 14:06:39 <gmaxwell> MobiusL: What exactly is YOUR concern here? :P
521 2012-09-16 14:06:42 <MobiusL> Who specifically?
522 2012-09-16 14:07:00 <gmaxwell> Who did what, specifically?
523 2012-09-16 14:07:35 <MobiusL> This is not a hard question. please answer the question: <MobiusL> Then the question is WHO approved the new implementation?
524 2012-09-16 14:07:35 <MobiusL> <MobiusL> Who specifically?
525 2012-09-16 14:08:11 <gmaxwell> MobiusL: You sound like you are being rather agressive, but I can't figure out about what. Precisely what are you asking?
526 2012-09-16 14:08:17 <gmaxwell> And what is your actual concern?
527 2012-09-16 14:09:39 <MobiusL> Since I mine and use the bitcoin network, I and all of it's users should know who is is making these decisions, Would you not agree?
528 2012-09-16 14:10:08 <gmaxwell> making _what_ decisions? This is what I'm not following. I don't understand what the substance of your concern is.
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531 2012-09-16 14:10:46 <MobiusL> The question is WHO approved the new implementation?
532 2012-09-16 14:11:07 <MC-Eeepc> its a bot
533 2012-09-16 14:11:15 <gmaxwell> MC-Eeepc: hah
534 2012-09-16 14:11:48 <gmaxwell> MobiusL: I'm not going to keep trying to guess at what you're asking. Go back to the beginning and explain your concern so that I can understand it, so I give you the righ answer.
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536 2012-09-16 14:13:07 <MobiusL> I want to know who is making these decisions in the new implementation
537 2012-09-16 14:13:14 <gmaxwell> MobiusL: what decisions?
538 2012-09-16 14:13:47 <gmaxwell> (Different people make different decisions, so my question in response is material)
539 2012-09-16 14:14:30 <MobiusL> Then please enlighten me as to who decides what?
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541 2012-09-16 14:15:23 <gmaxwell> MobiusL: I'm not going to write a novel on how the development process works right now simply because we're having a hard time communicating. What initially inspired your initial question?
542 2012-09-16 14:15:48 <MC-Eeepc> dont like new version dont use new version
543 2012-09-16 14:15:56 <MC-Eeepc> there is your vote
544 2012-09-16 14:16:00 <MobiusL> <gmaxwell> It would be wise to upgrade now or be ready to. It will become required to mine on the network eventually.
545 2012-09-16 14:16:23 <otimm> MobiusL: You decide everything by choosing and running the bitcoin implementation
546 2012-09-16 14:16:32 <MobiusL> MC-Eeepc: My questions are for gmaxwell not you
547 2012-09-16 14:16:36 <gmaxwell> Oh. This is in reference to BIP_0034. https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BIP_0034
548 2012-09-16 14:16:37 <MC-Eeepc> thats just multisig
549 2012-09-16 14:16:40 <riush> lol
550 2012-09-16 14:16:43 <gmaxwell> MobiusL: please true the other people in here with respect.
551 2012-09-16 14:17:32 <MobiusL> such as the comment "<MC-Eeepc> there is your vote"
552 2012-09-16 14:17:47 <gmaxwell> It's a fair statement.
553 2012-09-16 14:18:02 <gmaxwell> MobiusL: There is a flaw in the older implementations of bitcoin where distinctive transactions with the same transaction IDs can be created.
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556 2012-09-16 14:20:02 <gmaxwell> MobiusL: This opened up several attacks, the wost of which were fixed by BIP_0030, which added a validation rule that prevents one transaction from overwriting a currently unspent transaction. But it does not prevent duplicates after the first had been spent completely. To do that requires making sure that all transactions are unique, which can only be achieved by adding uniqing data to every block.
557 2012-09-16 14:21:02 <gmaxwell> MobiusL: to achieve that BIP_0034 was proposed, which has miners add the block height to the coinbase field in every mined block and set the block version to 2.  The software doesn't _require_ this behavior from other nodes, and everyone already permits it... so its fully compatible.
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559 2012-09-16 14:22:04 <gmaxwell> MobiusL: but once a large supermajority of the blocks have version 2 nodes running BIP_0034 compatible code will enforce it.
560 2012-09-16 14:23:18 <gmaxwell> MobiusL: The height in coinbase may have been my suggestion, when we talked about these issues around 8 months ago.  Gavin wrote the BIP and the implementation, and it was discussed here, on github, and the development list.
561 2012-09-16 14:24:07 <gmaxwell> You're free to keep using an old version, or some other version to mine— though eventually you'll need a backport of BIP_0034 for it.
562 2012-09-16 14:25:11 <gmaxwell> (ah, it was also discussed on bitcointalk.org)
563 2012-09-16 14:25:30 <gmaxwell> It's a pretty utterly uncontroversial fix.
564 2012-09-16 14:25:38 <gmaxwell> MobiusL: Have I answered your questions?
565 2012-09-16 14:26:05 <MobiusL> no
566 2012-09-16 14:26:12 <otimm> lol
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570 2012-09-16 14:28:24 <gmaxwell> MobiusL: Then you're going to have to help me out.
571 2012-09-16 14:29:02 <MobiusL> I'll get back to you on that
572 2012-09-16 14:29:26 <Arnavion> Off-topic: Is it a freenode custom to highlight someone multiple times even when it's in successive lines?
573 2012-09-16 14:29:32 <Arnavion> <-- Primarily Rizon person
574 2012-09-16 14:29:50 <gmaxwell> Arnavion: 'highlight'?
575 2012-09-16 14:30:11 <Arnavion> Like you kept saying "MobiusL:"
576 2012-09-16 14:30:24 <Arnavion> That is with the intent of pinging him, right?
577 2012-09-16 14:30:31 <gmaxwell> Arnavion: ah, well you never know when someone is going to jump in the middle; esp when writing long lines.
578 2012-09-16 14:30:39 <gmaxwell> Arnavion: no, no intent to 'ping'.
579 2012-09-16 14:30:45 <Arnavion> Ah
580 2012-09-16 14:30:47 <Arnavion> I see
581 2012-09-16 14:30:59 <gmaxwell> If you've got a client that is doing something obnoxious when you're mentioned.. you should get that fixed. :)
582 2012-09-16 14:31:08 <Arnavion> That's actually a feature
583 2012-09-16 14:31:20 <gmaxwell> most clients don't bother you when you have focus already, as far as I know.
584 2012-09-16 14:31:33 <Arnavion> Yes, that's true
585 2012-09-16 14:32:41 <MC-Eeepc>  mine does
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587 2012-09-16 14:32:45 <MC-Eeepc> BONG
588 2012-09-16 14:32:49 <MC-Eeepc> BONG
589 2012-09-16 14:32:54 * gmaxwell patiently awaits the announcement of MobiusL's campaign to lynch all bitcoin developers for ambigious reasons— "LABDAR".
590 2012-09-16 14:33:17 <gmaxwell> MC-Eeepc: I feel sorry for you son, I've got 99 problems but a BONG aint one...
591 2012-09-16 14:33:33 <MC-Eeepc> quite
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595 2012-09-16 14:40:47 <MC-Eeepc> how is the bitcoin conf going
596 2012-09-16 14:40:59 <MC-Eeepc> shitstorm yet?
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600 2012-09-16 14:46:41 <riush> [Ma
601 2012-09-16 14:46:41 <riush> 9[Ma
602 2012-09-16 14:47:05 <riush> err sry
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604 2012-09-16 14:48:06 <JuliaMartin1ka1> question: for every transaction (from listransaction) we receive 50btc?
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630 2012-09-16 15:54:44 <wumpus> JuliaMartin1ka1: the 50 btc limit only applies to mined transactions, normal transactions can be any amount
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641 2012-09-16 16:22:20 <helo> JuliaMartin1ka1: and only one 50btc per block, not per transaction. a block can have thousands of transactions.
642 2012-09-16 16:22:36 <helo> wow delayed response heh
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659 2012-09-16 16:59:07 <Luke-Jr> when did we switch from testnet1 to testnet2?
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674 2012-09-16 17:34:42 <Greee> gmaxwell: here?
675 2012-09-16 17:35:05 <Greee> what exactly is paytxfee ?
676 2012-09-16 17:35:30 <Greee> how this affect my pool server?
677 2012-09-16 17:36:33 <gmaxwell> 06:50 <Greee> ic and paytxfee on bitcoin.conf its for solo ? they mine directly with bitcoin address? withour webpage registered worker?
678 2012-09-16 17:36:36 <gmaxwell> 06:51 <gmaxwell> That has to do with how much fees _you_ pay when sending coins out of that wallet.
679 2012-09-16 17:36:39 <gmaxwell> 06:52 <Greee> sending coins from wallet has fees? or il set for pool tax...
680 2012-09-16 17:36:42 <gmaxwell> 06:52 <gmaxwell> It has nothing to do with pool fees.
681 2012-09-16 17:36:44 <gmaxwell> 06:53 <Greee> hmmm
682 2012-09-16 17:36:47 <gmaxwell> 06:53 <gmaxwell> It controls how much fees you include with your transactions to encourage other miners to mine them.
683 2012-09-16 17:37:26 <OneEyed> Looks like blockchain's pushtx accepts transactions that will not be relayed by bitcoind
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687 2012-09-16 17:37:40 <OneEyed> (which is its right, but that's not very userfriendly)
688 2012-09-16 17:37:46 <OneEyed> such as https://blockchain.info/tx/41f39bf36c1c071697bdfb13ace41d0d7a3455afcb2dc5e4fb5d30961dab44ae
689 2012-09-16 17:38:06 <Greee> yes but now i`m in a bubble if i set auto payout more than 0.1 how much the miner gets? is there a tax fee?
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694 2012-09-16 17:41:47 <gmaxwell> Greee: it has nothing to do with pooling or your own mining.
695 2012-09-16 17:42:11 <BlueMatt> <gmaxwell> MC-Eeepc: I feel sorry for you son, I've got 99 problems but a BONG aint one... <gmaxwell> ... drugs are bad, ummkay? :P
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710 2012-09-16 17:57:36 <Greee> gmaxwell pm so past a transaction
711 2012-09-16 17:58:42 <gmaxwell> Greee: yes, if a transaction has any output less than 0.01 BTC it needs to pay a fee in order to be accepted by your peers, unless its in a block.
712 2012-09-16 17:58:56 <gmaxwell> This makes it harder for someone to DOS attack the network with tiny outputs.
713 2012-09-16 18:02:17 <Greee> so why if i transfer more than 0.01 i get same fee 0.0005?
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715 2012-09-16 18:04:08 <gmaxwell> Greee: because your transaction didn't qualify as free for some other reason, e.g. rapidly resending recieved coins.
716 2012-09-16 18:04:27 <gmaxwell> or because it spent a lot of tiny inputs and has large data.
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740 2012-09-16 18:55:32 <JuliaMartin1ka1> in testnet = false fee is 0?
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745 2012-09-16 19:04:22 <pingdrive> do i need to wait for the whole blockchain to download to send money?
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749 2012-09-16 19:08:04 <otimm> i don't see any other way for the client to determine that you have sufficient funds that are not spent
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754 2012-09-16 19:16:10 <pingdrive> so i do
755 2012-09-16 19:16:11 <pingdrive> ?
756 2012-09-16 19:16:17 <pingdrive> i know i have money
757 2012-09-16 19:16:19 <Diablo-D3> pingdrive: you read dmc thread?
758 2012-09-16 19:16:32 <pingdrive> yes
759 2012-09-16 19:16:44 <Diablo-D3> so the cuban missile crisis is over
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761 2012-09-16 19:16:59 <pingdrive> well
762 2012-09-16 19:17:03 <pingdrive> maybe
763 2012-09-16 19:17:07 <pingdrive> its still open
764 2012-09-16 19:17:12 <pingdrive> and there is stink
765 2012-09-16 19:18:42 <pingdrive> Diablo-D3, the motion still pending though right?
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767 2012-09-16 19:22:44 <pingdrive> i need to send money today and i gottta wait 24 more hours for block to download damn it
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769 2012-09-16 19:24:39 <otimm> pingdrive: you could export the secret key and import in multibit, this client only looks at the last few thousand blocks. or import the secret key in a web based wallet and send from there
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771 2012-09-16 19:26:22 <pingdrive> yeh probably wont happen thanks tho
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777 2012-09-16 19:37:55 <Diablo-D3> pingdrive: its still pending, but it not might matter
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781 2012-09-16 19:41:08 <JFK911> !tickers
782 2012-09-16 19:41:08 <BCBot2`> JFK911: Error: "tickers" is not a valid command.
783 2012-09-16 19:41:08 <gribble> Error: "tickers" is not a valid command.
784 2012-09-16 19:41:09 <JFK911> !ticker
785 2012-09-16 19:41:10 <BCBot2`> JFK911: Error: "ticker" is not a valid command.
786 2012-09-16 19:41:10 <gribble> Best bid: 11.7671, Best ask: 11.8675, Bid-ask spread: 0.10040, Last trade: 11.86541, 24 hour volume: 30235, 24 hour low: 11.67, 24 hour high: 11.99
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886 2012-09-16 22:39:32 * Luke-Jr wonders if it makes any performance difference in IBD, that we check BIP 30 exceptions every block
887 2012-09-16 22:39:34 <Luke-Jr> probably not
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891 2012-09-16 22:49:19 <stamit> just read somewhere that the hashing algorithm can change. is that true?
892 2012-09-16 22:50:06 <stamit> like, the thing that gives the thing that you check if it starts with zeroes. didn't know that can change
893 2012-09-16 22:50:25 <eian> the thing with the thing!
894 2012-09-16 22:51:13 <Luke-Jr> stamit: it can change only if 100% of the Bitcoin users decide to accept the new software
895 2012-09-16 22:51:25 <Luke-Jr> stamit: where 100% is technically "people you want to pay with Bitcoin"
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897 2012-09-16 22:56:08 <Luke-Jr> (so a few holdouts from idiots nobody wants to pay don't matter)
898 2012-09-16 22:57:29 <bdcs> Or derelict bitcoind nodes
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905 2012-09-16 23:19:17 <knotwork> just woke up to find bitcoind claiming it needs to be upgraded
906 2012-09-16 23:19:51 <knotwork> it sometimes used to say that when data was corrupt so I killed it and restarted, it scanned chain ok, though seemed to do a re-org
907 2012-09-16 23:20:13 <knotwork> but rpc isnt working, the debug log though keeps saying rpc help is being called
908 2012-09-16 23:22:04 <knotwork> hmm now looks like its back to downloading chain weird
909 2012-09-16 23:22:46 <knotwork> "blocks" : 199113, well whatever that was its recovering itself maybe now
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920 2012-09-16 23:55:01 <knotwork> dunno what that was but what the heck even though seemed working I have gone ahead and upgraded to latest from github anyway
921 2012-09-16 23:55:30 <knotwork> protocol 60002 now
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