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9 2012-09-25 00:05:21 <kjj_> ok, Jenkins threw an error, but I can't find the hash it is looking for. anyone got a hint for me?
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24 2012-09-25 00:16:29 <sipa> kjj_: not your fault
25 2012-09-25 00:16:55 <kjj_> is it just lagging and pulling one of the commits that was swallowed up in the rebase?
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29 2012-09-25 00:24:58 <bcb> how do I configure bitcoind to to accpt rpc requests between boxes?
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31 2012-09-25 00:25:28 <kjj_> bitcoind --help , look for the things that start with -rpc
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34 2012-09-25 00:31:02 <bcb> im in /bin/64 in 0.7.0 and bitcoind --help is not returning anything
35 2012-09-25 00:32:05 <kjj_> really? nothing at all? it should give you a list of all of the startup parameters, including the RPC stuff
36 2012-09-25 00:33:05 <bcb> -bash: bitcoind: command not found
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38 2012-09-25 00:33:31 <kjj_> ok, so you haven't installed it then? the binary isn't in your path?
39 2012-09-25 00:33:46 <bcb> cmd?
40 2012-09-25 00:33:47 <kjj_> you are going to have bigger problems, but if you are in the same directory as bitcoind, use ./bitcoind --help
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42 2012-09-25 00:35:28 <bcb> ahh that was it.
43 2012-09-25 00:35:53 <bcb> in ubuntu the path is set with install
44 2012-09-25 00:36:33 <bcb> how do I get the binary in my path
45 2012-09-25 00:36:36 <kjj_> the server is going to need -daemon, -rpcuser, -rpcpassword and -rpcallowip, at a minimum
46 2012-09-25 00:37:08 <kjj_> the client is going to need -rpcconnect, -rpcuser, and -rpcpassword, again, minimum. you should also use SSL if you are going to have real money in your wallet
47 2012-09-25 00:37:24 <bcb> in the path?
48 2012-09-25 00:37:25 <kjj_> in ubuntu, you should grab the PPA and install it that way
49 2012-09-25 00:37:34 <bcb> i'm on centos
50 2012-09-25 00:37:41 <bcb> so it's all from source
51 2012-09-25 00:37:42 <kjj_> no, those are the command line options that you are going to need
52 2012-09-25 00:37:48 <bcb> ok
53 2012-09-25 00:38:03 <kjj_> (or in your bitcoin.conf files)
54 2012-09-25 00:38:08 <bcb> on ubunto I can run bitcoin with the the ./
55 2012-09-25 00:38:20 <bcb> how do I set that up on this box
56 2012-09-25 00:38:21 <kjj_> ./ just means look in the directory that I'm in right now
57 2012-09-25 00:38:55 <bcb> so how come bitcoind does dot work but ./bitcoind does
58 2012-09-25 00:38:59 <bcb> in the same directory
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60 2012-09-25 00:39:23 <kjj_> because by default, the root user (and maybe all users) do not try to run things out of their current path for security reasons
61 2012-09-25 00:40:24 <kjj_> you probably want to copy bitcoind into /usr/local/bin/
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63 2012-09-25 00:40:54 <bcb> that's what I was looking for.
64 2012-09-25 00:40:55 <bcb> thanks
65 2012-09-25 00:41:14 <bcb> how do I tell what port bitcoind is listening for rpc calls on
66 2012-09-25 00:41:31 <kjj_> unless you specify it, it will be 8332.
67 2012-09-25 00:41:50 <kjj_> if you want to specify a port, use bitcoind --help and look for the -rpcport parameter
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69 2012-09-25 00:42:17 <bcb> ok so I've set a user set a password on my bitcoind server - using default port
70 2012-09-25 00:42:35 <bcb> now on my web server i'm trying to connect to the bitcoind box
71 2012-09-25 00:42:41 <bcb> whith those credentials
72 2012-09-25 00:42:59 <bcb> and it is unable to connect
73 2012-09-25 00:43:05 <kjj_> you also need -rpcallowip on the server, and you may need to open your firewall, if you have one
74 2012-09-25 00:43:06 <bcb> trying to fiture out why
75 2012-09-25 00:43:36 <bcb> fire wall is open . I think I'm looking for rpcallowip
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77 2012-09-25 00:43:41 <bcb> let mje try tahat
78 2012-09-25 00:44:25 <bcb> how do is confirm which bitcoin.conf file bitcoind is reading
79 2012-09-25 00:44:59 <kjj_> unless you specify -conf=/path/to/bitcoin.conf , it will default to ~/.bitcoin/bitcoin.conf
80 2012-09-25 00:45:03 <bcb> does it default to the ~ directory
81 2012-09-25 00:45:11 <bcb> thanks again!
82 2012-09-25 00:45:38 <kjj_> ~ is a shortcut to "the home directory of the user that you are right now", by the way. it isn't really a directory
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86 2012-09-25 00:50:18 <bcb> do i have to restart bitcoind
87 2012-09-25 00:50:31 <kjj_> yeah
88 2012-09-25 00:51:19 <bcb> is there a restart command or just stop and start
89 2012-09-25 00:52:11 <kjj_> unless you have some management scripts, you just need to issue the stop RPC command, and then start again
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100 2012-09-25 01:05:02 <bcb> kjj_ is gen on or off by default
101 2012-09-25 01:06:19 <kjj_> off
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103 2012-09-25 01:06:58 <jgarzik> kjj_: RE "did I miss something, or are you just trolling?" he was just trolling ;p
104 2012-09-25 01:07:44 <kjj_> that's what I figured, because the way I heard it over the last 3 or 4 releases, coin control wasn't in because no one wants to maintain it, not because you and Gavin are worshipping at the altar of big brother
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107 2012-09-25 01:09:12 <bcb> kjj_: I think its a fire wall issue. TCP should be open on 8332 correct
108 2012-09-25 01:09:28 <kjj_> yeah
109 2012-09-25 01:09:37 <gavinandresen> I don't like coin control because I don't like giving people false senses of security. Maybe I'd be OK with it if it only appeared if you were running over Tor....
110 2012-09-25 01:10:10 <kjj_> heh. that's part of why I haven't finished my dust collector yet
111 2012-09-25 01:10:15 <gavinandresen> (AND if there was somebody to maintain it, and it passed GUI muster with wumpus)
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113 2012-09-25 01:11:47 <kjj_> I gotta ban myself from the forums
114 2012-09-25 01:12:51 <kjj_> after a while, even http://xkcd.com/386/ stops being funny
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118 2012-09-25 01:15:28 <bcb> tcp 0 268 ip-10-122-103-122.ec2.i:ssh pool-173-52-:netview-aix-12 ESTABLISHED
119 2012-09-25 01:15:40 <bcb> is that an ssh connection to my bitcoind
120 2012-09-25 01:15:59 <kjj_> no
121 2012-09-25 01:16:05 <jgarzik> kjj_: the forums are full of people who will argue ridiculous claims until you run out of energy ;p
122 2012-09-25 01:16:19 <jgarzik> spending too much time on there thinking about the topics will make you crazy
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125 2012-09-25 01:17:44 <jgarzik> really wish there was a better filter
126 2012-09-25 01:17:51 <jgarzik> and a better way of presenting conversations
127 2012-09-25 01:18:19 <kjj_> there are SO MANY damn people on the forums
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129 2012-09-25 01:18:42 <kjj_> and some days it seems like the sock puppet tag team
130 2012-09-25 01:20:16 <jgarzik> indeed
131 2012-09-25 01:20:26 <jgarzik> heck, give people the ability to moderate threads they themselves start
132 2012-09-25 01:20:53 <bcb> so this is where the cool kids hang
133 2012-09-25 01:21:03 <kjj_> and it feels like we get a new september every single day
134 2012-09-25 01:21:42 <bcb> I wondered where there was so little input from the dev team on the forums
135 2012-09-25 01:21:49 <bcb> generally speaking
136 2012-09-25 01:22:03 <bcb> kjj: error: couldn't connect to server
137 2012-09-25 01:22:38 <bcb> after update rpcallowip
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139 2012-09-25 01:22:54 <bcb> do I have to add both remote and local ips?
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141 2012-09-25 01:23:08 <c_k> I think the signal to noise on irc is sometimes bad enough
142 2012-09-25 01:23:18 <kjj_> no, just the IP of the box that will be connecting. unless you want to accept connections from both places
143 2012-09-25 01:23:52 <bcb> bitcoind start is throwing error: couldn't connect to server
144 2012-09-25 01:24:16 <gavinandresen> there is no 'start' command
145 2012-09-25 01:24:24 <gavinandresen> just bitcoind -daemon
146 2012-09-25 01:24:32 <gavinandresen> (or just bitcoind if you do not want it to fork itself)
147 2012-09-25 01:24:33 <kjj_> are there decent init scripts that centos users can use?
148 2012-09-25 01:24:52 <bcb> what do fork mean
149 2012-09-25 01:25:02 <bcb> I read thatn somewhere else and have no clue
150 2012-09-25 01:25:14 <gavinandresen> fork is how new processes are created on *nix
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152 2012-09-25 01:25:36 <kjj_> seems like we are getting a lot of people that are trying to set up services and don't really know much about that sort of thing
153 2012-09-25 01:25:55 <bcb> so do I want it to fork or not
154 2012-09-25 01:26:08 <kjj_> short version is that if you specify -daemon, it will slip into the background and keep running, while freeing up your command line
155 2012-09-25 01:26:38 <kjj_> you probably do want it, but if you have to restart a lot, not doing it might make it easier for you, particularly if you don't have init scripts
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158 2012-09-25 01:30:19 <bcb> open port 8333/tcp - still not connection
159 2012-09-25 01:31:13 <kjj_> ok, on the server that is going to accept the commands, run "netstat -nap | grep 833"
160 2012-09-25 01:31:59 <bcb> ok
161 2012-09-25 01:32:23 <kjj_> you should see a bunch of entries (like 9) with the local IP:8333, and at least one line with 8332
162 2012-09-25 01:32:30 <kjj_> do you see the 8332 line?
163 2012-09-25 01:32:41 <kjj_> tcp6 0 0 :::8332 :::* LISTEN 15603/bitcoind
164 2012-09-25 01:32:50 <kjj_> like that?
165 2012-09-25 01:33:26 <kjj_> or possibly like:
166 2012-09-25 01:33:28 <kjj_> tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:8332 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 26617/bitcoind
167 2012-09-25 01:34:16 <bcb> both
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169 2012-09-25 01:34:35 <kjj_> uh, ok. good, I think
170 2012-09-25 01:34:41 <bcb> wait
171 2012-09-25 01:35:05 <bcb> tcp 0 0 ::1:8332 :::* LISTEN 20545/bitcoind
172 2012-09-25 01:35:26 <bcb> that and local host 127.0.0.1:3882
173 2012-09-25 01:35:50 <kjj_> is 3882 a typo here in IRC, or in your bitcoin.conf file?
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175 2012-09-25 01:36:53 <bcb> typo 127.0.0.1:8332
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177 2012-09-25 01:38:42 <kjj_> ok, and you are absolurely sure that the -rpcallowip=X.X.X.X has the IP of your other box in it?
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180 2012-09-25 01:39:57 <kjj_> if so, we'll move on to the client box
181 2012-09-25 01:40:37 <bcb> yep
182 2012-09-25 01:40:46 <kjj_> ok, from the client box, try: bitcoind -rpcconnect=Y.Y.Y.Y -rpcuser=ZZZZ -rpcpassword=AAAAAA -rpcport=8332 getinfo
183 2012-09-25 01:41:01 <kjj_> obviously replace the IP, username and password with your values
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185 2012-09-25 01:43:43 <bcb> id don't have bitcoind running on the client box
186 2012-09-25 01:44:06 <kjj_> bitcoind doesn't need to be running on the box for this, but you will need to install it if you don't have it
187 2012-09-25 01:44:27 <bcb> it is not installed
188 2012-09-25 01:44:39 <bcb> hang on
189 2012-09-25 01:44:49 <kjj_> ok, either install it, or we can try to ghetto test it
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191 2012-09-25 01:46:11 <bcb> its another centos box.
192 2012-09-25 01:46:29 <bcb> and I going to have to install boost and all the other dependencies to run this test
193 2012-09-25 01:46:58 <kjj_> yeah, you will. hang on though, you can go back to that later
194 2012-09-25 01:47:10 <kjj_> just try: telnet IP_OF_SERVER 8332
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196 2012-09-25 01:48:14 <gavinandresen> if centos comes with curl then that works nicely for testing. See https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/API_reference_(JSON-RPC)#Command_line_.28cURL.29
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201 2012-09-25 01:54:30 <bcb> Connection refused
202 2012-09-25 01:54:37 <bcb> what protocol is telnet
203 2012-09-25 01:54:47 <bcb> I'm behind a aws firewall
204 2012-09-25 01:55:06 <kjj_> it isn't a protocol, it just creates a TCP stream and lets you type into it
205 2012-09-25 01:55:26 <kjj_> well, it kinda is a protocol, but you can use it to connect to lots of stuff
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207 2012-09-25 01:55:48 <bcb> so if tcp port 8332 is open is should connect?
208 2012-09-25 01:55:48 <kjj_> you need to get the firewall opened on 8332, or switch to a port that is already open
209 2012-09-25 01:55:57 <bcb> 80
210 2012-09-25 01:56:03 <ffunenga> hello, can somebody point me to the source code of bitcoin-qt
211 2012-09-25 01:56:05 <ffunenga> ?
212 2012-09-25 01:56:25 <kjj_> ffunenga: all of the source is linked on http://bitcoin.org/
213 2012-09-25 01:56:35 <bcb> 80 connects fine
214 2012-09-25 01:56:40 <bcb> 8332 is refused
215 2012-09-25 01:56:52 <kjj_> well, if 80 connects, it is being used.
216 2012-09-25 01:57:03 <kjj_> also, you don't want to use port 80 for this unless you really have no other choice
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218 2012-09-25 01:57:59 <bcb> is UDP necessary
219 2012-09-25 01:58:01 <kjj_> you need to figure out how to manage the firewall
220 2012-09-25 01:58:10 <kjj_> no, bitcoin doesn't use any UDP ports
221 2012-09-25 01:58:10 <bcb> is open
222 2012-09-25 01:58:15 <bcb> it is open
223 2012-09-25 01:58:41 <kjj_> then the telnet command should work
224 2012-09-25 01:58:46 <kjj_> and you can type: GET /
225 2012-09-25 01:58:56 <bcb> how about icmp
226 2012-09-25 01:59:03 <kjj_> and press enter again until it replies. it'll be an error message
227 2012-09-25 01:59:09 <kjj_> no, only TCP
228 2012-09-25 01:59:34 <bcb> on telnet port 80?
229 2012-09-25 01:59:36 <bcb> type get
230 2012-09-25 01:59:44 <kjj_> telnet IP 8332
231 2012-09-25 02:00:05 <kjj_> well, you can do it on port 80 too, but that'll just get your default page from your webserver, won't show if bitcoin is working or not
232 2012-09-25 02:00:34 <bcb> i'm not clear where you want me to typd GET /
233 2012-09-25 02:00:59 <kjj_> when you type: telnet IP 8332
234 2012-09-25 02:01:05 <kjj_> it should tell you that it is connected
235 2012-09-25 02:01:17 <kjj_> after that, type GET / and the press enter a couple of times
236 2012-09-25 02:01:18 <bcb> i can't connect on 8332
237 2012-09-25 02:01:29 <bcb> i can't telnet on 8332
238 2012-09-25 02:01:45 <kjj_> then your firewall isn't really open
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240 2012-09-25 02:02:32 <bcb> nmap says it is
241 2012-09-25 02:03:08 <kjj_> running nmap on the client, connecting to the server and using -p 8332 ?
242 2012-09-25 02:04:18 <bcb> no 8333 sorry
243 2012-09-25 02:04:24 <bcb> what is listening on 8333?
244 2012-09-25 02:04:40 <kjj_> 8333 is the p2p port that bitcoind uses to communicate to the peer to peer network
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246 2012-09-25 02:07:21 <kjj_> when you telnet to 8332, you should get one of three results. Either connected, and you can type GET / <CR><CR> for a 401 auth error message, an immediate 403 forbidden message, or connection refused/timed out
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248 2012-09-25 02:08:20 <bcb> connection refused
249 2012-09-25 02:08:24 <bcb> so its closed
250 2012-09-25 02:08:27 <kjj_> the first one means it is working. the second one means that your -rpcallowip is wrong, and the third one means that your firewall or routing is wrong, or that bitcoind isn't running on the server
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252 2012-09-25 02:09:20 <bcb> my client server api is telling me all tcp ports are open. Let me check that out first
253 2012-09-25 02:09:28 <bcb> client box
254 2012-09-25 02:09:44 <kjj_> I don't know how AWS is routed. it is possible that even if you specify the public IP of the server, the connection might come from the internal IP of the client
255 2012-09-25 02:10:11 <kjj_> you might have better luck searching the forums. I know other people have done this on AWS
256 2012-09-25 02:10:58 <bcb> maybe I'll switch over to the internal ip and try that.
257 2012-09-25 02:11:12 <bcb> sound like all bitcoind configurations are correct.
258 2012-09-25 02:11:14 <bcb> thanks for you help
259 2012-09-25 02:12:47 <bcb> how do I gracefully exit out of a telnet prompt
260 2012-09-25 02:12:58 <kjj_> CTRL-]
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263 2012-09-25 02:14:10 <bcb> CTRL (hyphen) (close bracket)?
264 2012-09-25 02:14:23 <kjj_> hold CTRL, then press ]
265 2012-09-25 02:14:39 <kjj_> at the telnet> prompt, type close
266 2012-09-25 02:15:06 <bcb> nice
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274 2012-09-25 02:31:45 <bcb> tcp 0 0 ::1:8332 :::* LISTEN 20604/bitcoind
275 2012-09-25 02:31:56 <bcb> what does the one before the 8332 mean?
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280 2012-09-25 02:33:34 <bcb> ;;seen kjj_
281 2012-09-25 02:33:34 <gribble> kjj_ was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 18 minutes and 54 seconds ago: <kjj_> at the telnet> prompt, type close
282 2012-09-25 02:33:46 <kjj_> ::1 is ipv6 for localhost
283 2012-09-25 02:33:59 <bcb> so is that running on local host
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285 2012-09-25 02:34:09 <bcb> or listening on local host
286 2012-09-25 02:34:55 <bcb> and can and external machine see that
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288 2012-09-25 02:35:22 <kjj_> uh, it should. sec
289 2012-09-25 02:35:38 <bcb> which makes my think it's not exposed to external connections
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291 2012-09-25 02:35:47 <bcb> I'm able to telnet to all the other open ports
292 2012-09-25 02:35:58 <kjj_> I'm not familiar with the output from your version of netstat
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294 2012-09-25 02:36:52 <Dagger2> if it's listening on [::1] then you'll only be able to connect to it from the local machine
295 2012-09-25 02:37:09 <weex> i read about ZeroAccess here a couple days ago, now I'm looking at a machine with it
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297 2012-09-25 02:38:15 <bcb> that's Dagger2
298 2012-09-25 02:38:17 <bcb> thanks
299 2012-09-25 02:38:22 <kjj_> that could be it, actually. it should be grabbing ::0 instead of ::1
300 2012-09-25 02:38:27 <kjj_> I think
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303 2012-09-25 02:39:37 <Dagger2> :: is any interface. 8332 is the RPC port, so it binds to ::1 by default so that other people can't control your bitcoind
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305 2012-09-25 02:39:44 <bcb> Dagger2 i'm trying to get my a remote client to connect by my bitcoin on a server
306 2012-09-25 02:39:50 <bcb> no luck
307 2012-09-25 02:39:53 <bcb> any ideas
308 2012-09-25 02:40:05 <kjj_> yeah, but if you specify -rpcallowip, it binds to any instead of loopback
309 2012-09-25 02:40:23 <kjj_> it is in ThreadRPCServer2 in bitcoinrpc.cpp
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311 2012-09-25 02:41:01 <Dagger2> ah, right. can you ask it to listen on ::?
312 2012-09-25 02:41:03 <bcb> binds to any what
313 2012-09-25 02:41:16 <bcb> Dagger2 how do I do that
314 2012-09-25 02:41:50 <kjj_> Dagger2: the code looks for the -rpcallowip parameter. if it doesn't find any, it picks loopback for binding RPC, otherwise it picks any (::0)
315 2012-09-25 02:42:18 <bcb> i have the -rpcallowip parameter set
316 2012-09-25 02:42:22 <kjj_> bcb: are you putting these options in your bitcoin.conf, or on the commandline?
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318 2012-09-25 02:42:32 <bcb> conf
319 2012-09-25 02:42:54 <Dagger2> ah, I see
320 2012-09-25 02:43:16 <kjj_> are you including the - in the parameters?
321 2012-09-25 02:43:29 <kjj_> because in the conf file, you shouldn't
322 2012-09-25 02:43:35 <bcb> no -
323 2012-09-25 02:43:45 <bcb> paramater=value
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325 2012-09-25 02:43:57 <kjj_> ok, so you just have a line like "rpcallowip=x.y.z.a" in there?
326 2012-09-25 02:44:49 <bcb> yes
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328 2012-09-25 02:46:11 <kjj_> are you specifying the full path to the conf file on the command line, or is it just using the default?
329 2012-09-25 02:47:22 <bcb> default
330 2012-09-25 02:47:29 <bcb> i'm double checking that now
331 2012-09-25 02:48:05 <kjj_> are you using a script to start it? or just running the bitcoind binary directly?
332 2012-09-25 02:48:45 <bcb> running binary directly bitcoind -daemon
333 2012-09-25 02:49:55 <bcb> ok i have every tcp port on my firewall open
334 2012-09-25 02:50:07 <bcb> i'm able to connect to all running services through telnet
335 2012-09-25 02:50:19 <bcb> except bitcoind
336 2012-09-25 02:50:36 <kjj_> can you shut it down, and try starting it again with either -conf=/path/to/bitcoin.conf or -rpcallowip=x.y.z.a on the command line?
337 2012-09-25 02:50:46 <bcb> ok
338 2012-09-25 02:51:54 <kjj_> my instance is taking forever to shut down. I don't allow remote RPC, and the code looks right, but I want to change mine just to make sure it binds to any instead of loopback
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340 2012-09-25 02:55:03 <bcb> success!
341 2012-09-25 02:55:12 <bcb> i tried -conf=/path/to/bitcoin.conf first and that didn't do it
342 2012-09-25 02:55:56 <bcb> then i used -conf=/path/to/bitcoin.conf -rpcallowip=x.y.z.a
343 2012-09-25 02:56:00 <bcb> and that worked
344 2012-09-25 02:56:12 <kjj_> double check the spelling of rpcallowip in your bitcoin.conf
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347 2012-09-25 02:57:55 <kjj_> or did you have some kind of list of addresses in that line?
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349 2012-09-25 02:58:58 <bcb> spelled correctly
350 2012-09-25 02:59:01 <bcb> only one address
351 2012-09-25 02:59:11 <bcb> does the order of the conf paramaters matter??
352 2012-09-25 02:59:24 <kjj_> shouldn't, no
353 2012-09-25 02:59:56 <bcb> so I have two boxes, one webserver one bitcoind server
354 2012-09-25 03:00:04 <bcb> both are behind separate firewalls
355 2012-09-25 03:00:40 <bcb> I am only allowing the web app connect to the bitcoind
356 2012-09-25 03:01:15 <bcb> web app is not publically addressable and is behind a firewall and a load balancer
357 2012-09-25 03:01:42 <bcb> bitcoin did is not public addressable and only accessable from the web app
358 2012-09-25 03:02:22 <bcb> does that add any security it the bitcoind server is till accessable through the web app
359 2012-09-25 03:03:00 <kjj_> meh. not really. you have to assume that anything that makes it into your webserver can then connect to your bitcoind instance over RPC, just like the webserver could
360 2012-09-25 03:03:14 <kjj_> you might want to look into armory for that
361 2012-09-25 03:03:33 <bcb> I've tried that on windows
362 2012-09-25 03:03:42 <bcb> does it work on linux as well
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364 2012-09-25 03:04:14 <kjj_> I think someone was working on a daemon version of armory for just such a reason
365 2012-09-25 03:05:39 <bcb> now if the web app and the bitcoind are connecting on an internal network is there still a need for ssl
366 2012-09-25 03:05:59 <kjj_> depends how internal the network is.
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368 2012-09-25 03:06:47 <kjj_> if you mean internal as in, not available to anyone but you, then you don't need SSL. if you mean internal, as in, open to every amazon customer ever, then you still do
369 2012-09-25 03:08:47 <bcb> aws is pci complient on their internal network
370 2012-09-25 03:09:29 <kjj_> I would use SSL on any network that I didn't build myself
371 2012-09-25 03:09:55 <bcb> so is ssl new to 0.7.0?
372 2012-09-25 03:10:24 <kjj_> no, it's been around for a while
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374 2012-09-25 03:12:06 <kjj_> at least since 0.3.22-beta (the oldest bitcoind I have lying around on my server)
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376 2012-09-25 03:13:25 <bcb> is there a link to instructions for setting up ssl
377 2012-09-25 03:13:58 <kjj_> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Enabling_SSL_on_original_client_daemon
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385 2012-09-25 03:32:12 <bcb> for ssl the stream_context_create() with the 'verify_peer' and 'ca_file' options and then call stream_context_set_default() would be updated in the jsonRPCClient file correct
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394 2012-09-25 03:37:39 <kjj_> no idea on that.
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397 2012-09-25 03:52:06 <bcb> why would bitcoind hand when stopping. Seems to be taking a long time this time around
398 2012-09-25 03:52:46 <kjj_> did you set detachdb=1 ?
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401 2012-09-25 03:54:00 <bcb> no
402 2012-09-25 03:54:01 <bcb> should i
403 2012-09-25 03:54:34 <kjj_> it makes shutdown take longer
404 2012-09-25 03:55:43 <bcb> nope its just hanging
405 2012-09-25 03:56:01 <kjj_> what are the last few lines from debug.log?
406 2012-09-25 03:56:18 <bcb> just checking that
407 2012-09-25 03:57:32 <bcb> i started it as daemon
408 2012-09-25 03:57:37 <bcb> it's still running
409 2012-09-25 03:57:42 <bcb> after calling stop
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411 2012-09-25 03:59:57 <bcb> i created the server cert and updated the conf with rpcssl=1
412 2012-09-25 04:01:52 <kjj_> when you run stop, it logs a bunch of stuff while shutting down
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414 2012-09-25 04:02:45 <bcb> i just killed the process
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424 2012-09-25 04:25:01 <MC-Eeepc> what is the current state of anonymizing bitcoin
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426 2012-09-25 04:25:23 <kjj_> when you register, just give them a fake email address, you'll be fine
427 2012-09-25 04:25:41 <MC-Eeepc> say i started out with coins purchased from mtgox, and wanted to get enough anonymity to say arrange a hit or something
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429 2012-09-25 04:25:53 <kjj_> you'd go to prison, most likely
430 2012-09-25 04:26:05 <MC-Eeepc> is the gold standard still TOR + multiple coinmixes in a row
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432 2012-09-25 04:26:32 <kjj_> there are coin mixes that actually mix useful amounts of coins?
433 2012-09-25 04:26:58 <MC-Eeepc> dunno i heard some of them have a fair throughput now
434 2012-09-25 04:27:45 <bcb> kjj_ bitcoind is running but getting error: no response from server when calling getinfo
435 2012-09-25 04:27:56 <bcb> from localhost
436 2012-09-25 04:28:05 <kjj_> did you just start it, or has it been running for a while?
437 2012-09-25 04:28:15 <bcb> is't been running for a wile
438 2012-09-25 04:28:21 <kjj_> and did you add a second rpcallowip= line for 127.0.0.1?
439 2012-09-25 04:28:26 <bcb> no
440 2012-09-25 04:28:46 <bcb> so i have to kill
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443 2012-09-25 04:28:54 <bcb> it won't respond to stop
444 2012-09-25 04:29:05 <kjj_> you can probably issue the stop command from the other server
445 2012-09-25 04:29:19 <kjj_> but SIGTERM should trigger an orderly shutdown too
446 2012-09-25 04:29:49 <bcb> error: no response from server on local host
447 2012-09-25 04:29:56 <bcb> when issueing stop
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449 2012-09-25 04:30:59 <kjj_> MC-Eeepc: I have an idea for making spend-side mixers. not sure if it'll work, or if it'll help
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451 2012-09-25 04:31:35 <MC-Eeepc> ?
452 2012-09-25 04:31:47 <kjj_> bcb: if you only have the one rpcallowip line, you'll need to stop it from that IP, not from localhost
453 2012-09-25 04:32:22 <kjj_> MC-Eeepc: current mixers suck, and as far as I can tell, they don't work very well
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455 2012-09-25 04:32:57 <MC-Eeepc> oh
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457 2012-09-25 04:33:50 <MC-Eeepc> what about p2p mixing
458 2012-09-25 04:34:21 <kjj_> that's sorta where I want to go
459 2012-09-25 04:34:43 <MC-Eeepc> its possible?
460 2012-09-25 04:35:11 <kjj_> but using ANYONECANPAY to build multi-input/multi-output transactions doesn't appear to actually preserve your privacy
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462 2012-09-25 04:35:40 <kjj_> except when actually spending
463 2012-09-25 04:37:45 <kjj_> say there was a service that could collect a bunch of outputs all around the same size, it then builds the outputs that it collected, and hands it back out as a ANYONECANPAY transaction
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465 2012-09-25 04:38:16 <kjj_> then, each client can verify that their outputs are in there, and sign their input. when the mixer has enough inputs to pay for the transaction, it releases it
466 2012-09-25 04:39:37 <MC-Eeepc> who is the mixer though
467 2012-09-25 04:40:05 <kjj_> at first, it would be whoever is running the software
468 2012-09-25 04:40:35 <kjj_> but later, if the idea actually works, we could potentially make it ad hoc and built into the network (don't tell the devs that I want to embed this function into the client)
469 2012-09-25 04:41:09 <MC-Eeepc> couldnt randon people just steal it all
470 2012-09-25 04:41:18 <kjj_> nope.
471 2012-09-25 04:41:38 <kjj_> that's the problem with the current mixers, those guys COULD steal everything
472 2012-09-25 04:41:58 <MC-Eeepc> right
473 2012-09-25 04:42:05 <kjj_> in the p2p mixer idea, no one signs their input unless they see their desired spend in the output that they are signing
474 2012-09-25 04:43:40 <MC-Eeepc> so are you saying that bitcoin could be anonymous by default, if you leave your coins sitting around for a while
475 2012-09-25 04:44:37 <kjj_> no, but this could help a bit
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477 2012-09-25 04:45:12 <kjj_> I'm not sure that it is possible to make the software smarter than a determined tracker
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484 2012-09-25 05:02:52 <bcb> kjj_: is there a cmd to run so you cans view the default parameters running on your bitcoind server
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512 2012-09-25 06:03:41 <MC-Eeepc> it seems like the finney attack is going to become really rather bothersome in future, am i reading this right
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515 2012-09-25 06:11:14 <jgarzik> MC-Eeepc: why? anyone with mining power isn't going to bother stealing coffee and candy. and anyone selling items with more value than coffee does the sane thing and requires confirmations.
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517 2012-09-25 06:13:08 <MC-Eeepc> rent mining power
518 2012-09-25 06:16:42 <MC-Eeepc> do you just have to wait 1 conf to defeat a finney
519 2012-09-25 06:17:47 <jgarzik> more than 1 confirmation
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612 2012-09-25 08:55:56 <epscy> kjj_: in a lot of cases just creating enough uncertainty and doubt might be good enough, instead of true anonymity
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640 2012-09-25 09:15:33 <ffunenga> Hello to all developers, I've been developing an idea. Check it and tell me what you think: https://github.com/ffunenga/dbex/blob/master/dbex.pdf?raw=true
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814 2012-09-25 14:27:33 <phantomcircuit> there's something wrong with the initial blockchain download
815 2012-09-25 14:27:50 <phantomcircuit> connecting to a known good peer i still end up with orphan block warnings in the log
816 2012-09-25 14:29:41 <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: What I've observed that causes that is that you start the initial download.. but during it, a block happens on the network, so you start pulling from the other end from the peer that told you about that block, and thus the orphans.
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818 2012-09-25 14:30:31 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, hmm maybe
819 2012-09-25 14:31:05 <TD> i had that problem with bitcoinj. block chain download is just an infuriatingly subtle thing to get right
820 2012-09-25 14:31:10 <TD> (i think i got it fixed)
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831 2012-09-25 14:41:27 <grondilu> Is there an online blockexplorer for testnet?
832 2012-09-25 14:42:01 <gmaxwell> http://blockexplorer.com/testnet/
833 2012-09-25 14:42:23 * grondilu should have guessed that
834 2012-09-25 14:42:25 <gmaxwell> Though other than index by address you can get all (?) of the block explorer information out of the reference client itself now.
835 2012-09-25 14:43:17 <grondilu> I guess. But I can not run both the testnet and the main network on the same host, can I?
836 2012-09-25 14:43:32 <sipa> sure you can
837 2012-09-25 14:43:48 <sipa> you do need to set a different rpc port for both, though
838 2012-09-25 14:44:05 <grondilu> ok. Good to know.
839 2012-09-25 14:44:28 <kjj_> in the next release, it should set different ports automatically
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856 2012-09-25 15:22:47 <helo> i bet the goal is for it to function as a 100% drop-in replacement for normal bitcoind
857 2012-09-25 15:23:32 <gmaxwell> goal for what?
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859 2012-09-25 15:23:50 <helo> wow, i just replied to a really old message heh
860 2012-09-25 15:24:10 <helo> " in the next release, [bitcoind -testnet] should set different ports automatically"
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862 2012-09-25 15:24:46 <kjj_> heh. not that old
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864 2012-09-25 15:24:54 <kjj_> but yeah, https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1862
865 2012-09-25 15:26:12 <gmaxwell> helo: there are usually so many other things you have to change to work with testnet (e.g. different addresses) that the rpc port isn't a hurdle.
866 2012-09-25 15:26:42 <gmaxwell> the rpc port being the same makes it so people think you can't run two at once... and it's probably one reason we have less testnet usage than I'd like.
867 2012-09-25 15:26:57 * helo pats kjj_ on the back
868 2012-09-25 15:27:07 <kjj_> well, using that patch, as long as you don't specify -noirc, it starts up just as easy as the mainnet client
869 2012-09-25 15:27:27 <kjj_> it already stashes stuff into a different directory
870 2012-09-25 15:27:34 <gmaxwell> kjj_: not sure why anyone would be specifying noirc.
871 2012-09-25 15:27:59 <kjj_> heh. I had it in my conf from long ago. the colo that hosts my box doesn't like IRC traffic
872 2012-09-25 15:28:18 <kjj_> I just didn't take it out when it changed to disabled by default
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875 2012-09-25 15:30:18 <gmaxwell> Fair enough.
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877 2012-09-25 15:30:51 <kjj_> I'd actually like to see some jumpstart nodes built in, just for that reason
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880 2012-09-25 15:32:16 <gmaxwell> kjj_: for testnet? meh. The fact that it depends on IRC was a useful test. IRC ought to actually work unless/until we remove it. :P
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882 2012-09-25 15:32:56 <kjj_> heh. I mean for people that aren't allowed to connect to IRC servers
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884 2012-09-25 15:34:18 <kjj_> The TOS at my colo actually disallows IRC entirely, but I used to work there, so they overlook the snort reports for my box sometimes.
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887 2012-09-25 15:34:44 <gmaxwell> kjj_: I know. But the fact that it didn't have it allowed us to discover that the IRC support was actually broken.
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891 2012-09-25 15:37:44 <epscy> what's going on in bitcoin dev land now
892 2012-09-25 15:37:48 <epscy> working on 0.8?
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895 2012-09-25 15:38:34 <kjj_> I think the biggest thing going on right now is the database backend swap
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898 2012-09-25 15:38:59 <epscy> from what to what?
899 2012-09-25 15:39:05 <kjj_> BDB to leveldb
900 2012-09-25 15:39:16 <epscy> is there a page on the wiki about upcoming bitcoin dev stuff?
901 2012-09-25 15:39:23 <epscy> kinda like a future changelog
902 2012-09-25 15:39:48 <gmaxwell> epscy: no, and the reason for that is because the only real test for what will be in the future is running code.
903 2012-09-25 15:39:52 <epscy> what are the advantages of leveldb
904 2012-09-25 15:40:04 <kjj_> you can read the pull discussions if you want.
905 2012-09-25 15:40:05 <epscy> gmaxwell: i see
906 2012-09-25 15:40:08 <kjj_> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pulls
907 2012-09-25 15:40:11 <gmaxwell> epscy: it's faster and more space efficient. Maybe less fragile; though we don't know that yet.
908 2012-09-25 15:40:19 <epscy> cool
909 2012-09-25 15:40:26 <gmaxwell> epscy: we can't merge something that doesn't exist. :)
910 2012-09-25 15:40:48 <gmaxwell> There are varrious wishlists of varrious credibility; but until people sit down and code it; it's not very meaningful.
911 2012-09-25 15:40:58 <epscy> i see
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914 2012-09-25 15:43:36 <epscy> hmm the oldest open pull request is 4 days
915 2012-09-25 15:43:50 <epscy> so this seems like it is for relatively minor things
916 2012-09-25 15:44:15 <gmaxwell> Because relatively minor things are ready now.
917 2012-09-25 15:44:30 <gmaxwell> ones like https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1677 are not minor, however.
918 2012-09-25 15:44:38 <kjj_> they aren't sorted by last update, they are sorted by creation
919 2012-09-25 15:45:30 <gmaxwell> You can clicky clicky to change the sort order..
920 2012-09-25 15:45:39 <epscy> yeah
921 2012-09-25 15:45:41 <gmaxwell> though the update sort isn't so useful because of the pulltester bot.
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926 2012-09-25 15:48:00 <epscy> heh, a pull request was closed whilst i was reading it
927 2012-09-25 15:48:17 <kjj_> OMG! What did you do?
928 2012-09-25 15:48:57 <epscy> oh maybe not
929 2012-09-25 15:49:21 <epscy> still interesting
930 2012-09-25 15:50:56 <UukGoblin> yeah github does that
931 2012-09-25 15:51:17 <UukGoblin> worse yet, my mate was commenting on a pull-request while I closed it
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1020 2012-09-25 17:45:12 <topi`_> phantomcircuit: what's up? what have you been working on lately? is libbitcoin development stalled?
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1022 2012-09-25 17:46:22 <phantomcircuit> topi`_, hmm i've seen genjix working on it
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1025 2012-09-25 17:48:27 <phantomcircuit> brb
1026 2012-09-25 17:48:39 <drizztbsd> libbitcoin is useless
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1028 2012-09-25 17:48:57 <Eliel> drizztbsd: how so?
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1030 2012-09-25 17:49:38 <drizztbsd> a c++ library is almost useless for many applications (mainly embedded)
1031 2012-09-25 17:49:47 <drizztbsd> a C library, instead, can be VERY useful
1032 2012-09-25 17:50:42 <phantomcircuit> and he's back
1033 2012-09-25 17:52:09 <Eliel> drizztbsd: I don't share your definition of useless. libbitcoin makes it possible to easily write software that only needs to do a part of what bitcoind does.
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1035 2012-09-25 17:53:36 <drizztbsd> yes, but you need to use c++
1036 2012-09-25 17:55:22 <maaku> drizztbsd: useless for your applications does not mean useless for everyone's
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1038 2012-09-25 17:57:27 <jrmithdobbs> drizztbsd: so write a c library
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1042 2012-09-25 18:04:55 <_dr> glad to see someone else still prefers c over cpp :)
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1045 2012-09-25 18:07:14 <_dr> but it's more of a work-related preference on my side
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1063 2012-09-25 18:36:39 <jrmithdobbs> -dnsseed=0 is the correct way to turn off dns seeds right? -noirc -dnsseed -seednode='whatever'; should mean the seednode is the only seed used?
1064 2012-09-25 18:37:17 <jrmithdobbs> err -noirc -dnssed=0 -seednode='whatever';
1065 2012-09-25 18:38:01 <gmaxwell> jrmithdobbs: do you want -connect ? :P
1066 2012-09-25 18:38:09 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: no
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1068 2012-09-25 18:39:45 <jgarzik> anybody know the practical differences between SER_DISK and SER_NETWORK?
1069 2012-09-25 18:39:47 <jgarzik> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112763.0
1070 2012-09-25 18:40:36 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: I want: exec /usr/bin/open "$BITCOINAPP" --args -upgradewallet -detachdb -server -upnp=false -noirc -dnsseed=0 -discover=0 -rpcbind=127.0.0.1 -bind=127.0.0.1 -tor=127.0.0.1:9050 -proxy=127.0.0.1:9050 -externalip="$MYONION" -seednode="$TRUSTNODE" -addnode="$TRUSTNODE"
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1074 2012-09-25 18:41:22 <jrmithdobbs> ($TRUSTNODE is an onion btw)
1075 2012-09-25 18:41:45 <gmaxwell> jrmithdobbs: you should probably onlynet to allow it to only make onion conenctions then.
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1077 2012-09-25 18:42:02 <gmaxwell> and then it should do what you want.
1078 2012-09-25 18:42:08 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: no i still want to outbound connect to non-onions
1079 2012-09-25 18:43:01 <gmaxwell> okay, well I'm not answering your direct question because I'm not completely confident that there is a way to disable the hardcoded internal seeds. E.g. on your first start, if that seednode connection fails, I think it will hit the internal seeds.
1080 2012-09-25 18:43:40 <jrmithdobbs> this way seeded addr's are authenticated and ensured to come from where I think they do, reserve a slot and connect to the trusted onion/node, but still have some (if not wholly trustable) sybil resilliance
1081 2012-09-25 18:45:07 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: i'll look at the code later i guess ;p
1082 2012-09-25 18:45:23 <jrmithdobbs> i know at one time that was definitely true but it's been touched a bit since i looked at it last
1083 2012-09-25 18:45:37 <kjj_> jgarzik: those values are only used in a few places that I can find
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1089 2012-09-25 18:54:06 <jgarzik> kjj_: mainly dealing with the flat-file block storage files blk????.dat
1090 2012-09-25 18:54:17 <jgarzik> but pynode parses OK without SER_DISK notion
1091 2012-09-25 18:54:35 <kjj_> make sure you grep out SER_GETHASH too
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1093 2012-09-25 18:55:00 <kjj_> protocol.h, wallet.cpp both use SER_DISK. main.h, protocol.h and wallet.h use SER_GETHAS
1094 2012-09-25 18:55:22 <kjj_> and absolutely no one ever uses SER_NETWORK
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1096 2012-09-25 18:56:24 <kjj_> mostly seem to be consumed in the IMPLEMENT_SERIALIZE functions.
1097 2012-09-25 18:57:28 <kjj_> one example, in CBlockLocator::IMPLEMENT_SERIALIZE, if nType is SER_GETHASH, it includes nVersion before nHave
1098 2012-09-25 18:58:36 <kjj_> I haven't run them all down, but the ones I've looked at all look the same. SER_DISK makes CAddress include nVersion and nTime, CCorruptAddress adds nVersion, etc
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1114 2012-09-25 19:21:28 <jgarzik> kjj_: SER_NETWORK is used quite a bit
1115 2012-09-25 19:21:47 <jgarzik> kjj_: yeah, now that you mention it, I recall the CAddress one
1116 2012-09-25 19:22:24 <kjj_> jgarzik: I see it getting passed around a lot, but never actually used
1117 2012-09-25 19:22:42 <kjj_> yup, just looked again, not actualy used even a single time that I can see
1118 2012-09-25 19:23:10 <jrmithdobbs> looks like something left over before satoshi decided disk and network serialization would be same format
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1120 2012-09-25 19:23:33 <kjj_> no, not the same. SER_DISK adds things in several places
1121 2012-09-25 19:23:44 <jrmithdobbs> oh, hm
1122 2012-09-25 19:25:56 <jgarzik> kjj_: sort of -- SER_NETWORK is simply the default behavior, from which one deviates to obtain different behavior (SER_DISK) etc.
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1124 2012-09-25 19:26:44 <kjj_> yeah
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1134 2012-09-25 19:47:13 <topi`_> jgarzik: how was your trip to London? I just read your slides.
1135 2012-09-25 19:47:47 <topi`_> nice pic of yours in the speakers page :) is he/she your first child?
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1137 2012-09-25 19:49:04 <jgarzik> some BFL ASIC renderings... http://codinginmysleep.com/first-look-at-bfls-asic-hardware/
1138 2012-09-25 19:49:11 <jgarzik> topi`_: yep
1139 2012-09-25 19:49:44 <topi`_> jgarzik: congrats :) I also fork()d recently, to the detriment of my free time behind the keyboard
1140 2012-09-25 19:50:06 <jgarzik> hehe
1141 2012-09-25 19:51:28 <topi`_> anyhow, your slides didn't go into detail in the upcoming multi-sign features?
1142 2012-09-25 19:51:36 <sipa> at first i didn't recorgnize jeff with kid... all pictures i've seen were with!
1143 2012-09-25 19:51:41 <sipa> *without
1144 2012-09-25 19:51:47 <topi`_> I guess it's a topic that Mike Hearn touched upon
1145 2012-09-25 19:52:11 <topi`_> sipa: there you see it, kids change everything!
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1148 2012-09-25 19:54:24 <jgarzik> sipa: lol
1149 2012-09-25 19:54:39 <topi`_> hmm, let's see how my iMac G5 handles the bitcoin ref client...
1150 2012-09-25 19:54:43 <jgarzik> nobody recognized me... at the last bitcoin conf and in many pictures, I had very long hair
1151 2012-09-25 19:54:58 <jgarzik> even a few that knew me on sight, did not recognize me in London
1152 2012-09-25 19:55:19 <jgarzik> I bet I confused the government's facial recognition software as well
1153 2012-09-25 19:55:55 <topi`_> so, it's all about paranoia after all? :)
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1155 2012-09-25 19:56:34 <topi`_> well, probably the bitcoin devs are too numerous to be all candidates to the terrorist list...
1156 2012-09-25 19:58:22 <topi`_> damn, bitcoin-qt not supported on my architecture :( so, resort to compiling it myself...
1157 2012-09-25 19:58:58 <topi`_> I wonder if the new Qt libs even support Leopard anymore
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1159 2012-09-25 20:00:25 <topi`_> ah, "ppc is not supported because it's big endian"
1160 2012-09-25 20:01:08 <topi`_> well. this rules out some other architectures as well. any *technical* reason why BE would be hard to support?
1161 2012-09-25 20:01:26 <topi`_> just encode all outgoing/disk-going bits to LE.
1162 2012-09-25 20:01:39 <gmaxwell> topi`_: it just requires some additional code in the right places to handle the bytesex.
1163 2012-09-25 20:01:49 <topi`_> exactly.
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1166 2012-09-25 20:02:04 <topi`_> maybe they're just too numerous so that nobody bothered?
1167 2012-09-25 20:02:18 <gmaxwell> There are a bunch, and they are in some pretty fundimental places.
1168 2012-09-25 20:02:22 <gmaxwell> And no one has bothered.
1169 2012-09-25 20:02:23 <topi`_> I bet there's plenty of ppc Macs lying out there that can potentially run bitcoind
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1171 2012-09-25 20:03:45 <topi`_> gmaxwell: but I guess the process is simple: just detect and fix every bytesex issue, and then run the test cases
1172 2012-09-25 20:03:52 <topi`_> if failure: repeat part 1
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1174 2012-09-25 20:04:34 <gmaxwell> topi`_: yep.
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1178 2012-09-25 20:07:26 <jgarzik> topi`_: or just write an endian neutral implementation from scratch
1179 2012-09-25 20:08:07 <topi`_> sounds like a project that the wife would surely appreciate .D
1180 2012-09-25 20:08:24 <topi`_> (my hands are heavily tied in babycare tasks)
1181 2012-09-25 20:09:31 <jgarzik> sing lines of code to the baby. "if... that in-te-ger should be big ... en-di-annnnn..."
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1183 2012-09-25 20:09:39 <denisx> "you're soaking in it"? ;)
1184 2012-09-25 20:10:22 <sipa> do i read correctly that SER_* is only used for wallet stuff and address stuff?
1185 2012-09-25 20:10:24 <jgarzik> or just use voice dictation to code, while watching the baby
1186 2012-09-25 20:10:32 <sipa> in that case, i think we can drop those enums entirely
1187 2012-09-25 20:11:03 <sipa> as addresses aren't stored directly anymore, so the SER_DISK part of CAddress can be moved to addrman
1188 2012-09-25 20:11:06 <jgarzik> sipa: <kjj_> no, not the same. SER_DISK adds things in several places
1189 2012-09-25 20:11:20 <sipa> and wallet stuff is only stored on disk, never transferred via network
1190 2012-09-25 20:11:47 <jgarzik> sipa: I detect no difference in block file, even though SER_DISK is reliably used for block file CDataStream's
1191 2012-09-25 20:11:59 <jgarzik> seems superfluous there
1192 2012-09-25 20:12:08 <sipa> there is certainly no difference for all blockchain-related stuff
1193 2012-09-25 20:12:13 <sipa> those encodings never changed
1194 2012-09-25 20:12:15 <kjj_> I didn't track down all of the SER_GETHASH values, but DISK and NETWORK were only different in caddress and ccorruptaddress
1195 2012-09-25 20:13:26 <jgarzik> pynode has no notion of it at all and has survived, and pynode does network + bitcoind block file format
1196 2012-09-25 20:13:57 <sipa> also, CBlock and CBlockHeader should be separate things
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1198 2012-09-25 20:14:24 <sipa> so no special flag is needed to inc/exclude transactions
1199 2012-09-25 20:14:29 <jgarzik> makes sense
1200 2012-09-25 20:17:33 <sipa> ultraprune's coindb grew to 113 MB; it was 100 MB last I checked...
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1202 2012-09-25 20:18:02 <sipa> (though i did change the format a bit, one byte per not-entirely-spent transaction was added)
1203 2012-09-25 20:18:17 <kjj_> oh, by the way, I haven't grepped out the special flags in the SER_x enum either
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1205 2012-09-25 20:19:10 * jgarzik was thinking of the following for pynode: key=txid, value=bitmap of unspent transactions. clear bit when transaction is spent. when bitmap=0, delete txid.
1206 2012-09-25 20:19:24 <jgarzik> as pynode has a secondary all-tx index for all transactions, spent or not, I can do this.
1207 2012-09-25 20:19:36 <jgarzik> to find pubkey etc
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1209 2012-09-25 20:20:24 <jgarzik> that would provide a very fast 'spent' index I could keep in memory, for quick validation
1210 2012-09-25 20:21:07 * jgarzik wonders about the size of such a python dictionary, or C++ std::map
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1214 2012-09-25 20:25:43 <sipa> jgarzik: why would you store just that data, and not for example the actual txouts?
1215 2012-09-25 20:26:06 <sipa> because the majority of such a data structure would be the keys, not the values
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1217 2012-09-25 20:26:28 <jgarzik> sipa: all block data is kept, so we may look in the all-tx index for the block hash, and then in the block file for the txout data
1218 2012-09-25 20:26:53 <denisx> sipa: do you know who did the double hash calculation optimization?
1219 2012-09-25 20:26:57 <jgarzik> yes the majority would be keys not values, agreed
1220 2012-09-25 20:27:03 <jgarzik> byte-wise
1221 2012-09-25 20:27:56 <jgarzik> who knows, maybe even simply keeping a STL::set of txids unspent would be sufficient for quick lookup. depends on whether or not "quick lookup" buys anything...
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1226 2012-09-25 20:33:26 <topi`_> jgarzik: python3 has pretty decent memory use for dicts, it basically takes data + n bytes for hash(for key lookup)
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1230 2012-09-25 20:35:38 <sipa> jgarzik: 'meh', i'm still not convinced an all-tx index is worth it
1231 2012-09-25 20:35:50 <sipa> well, for some cases it certainly is of course
1232 2012-09-25 20:37:34 <sipa> jgarzik: even with txout data added to such a txid map, close to half of the data is txids
1233 2012-09-25 20:38:03 <sipa> maybe rather 1/3
1234 2012-09-25 20:39:35 <jgarzik> sipa: yeah, I do not suggest this for bitcoind. pynode already has all-tx, which changes the value of other indices.
1235 2012-09-25 20:40:10 <jgarzik> trying to think of the smallest possible data structure, as a first line of defense against flooding the mempool
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1237 2012-09-25 20:40:31 <jgarzik> once a tx passes that "firewall", pynode will engage sig checking and other standard checks
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1245 2012-09-25 20:56:45 <topi`_> phantomcircuit: are you still in charge of running daily intersango tasks?
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1247 2012-09-25 20:57:30 <phantomcircuit> topi`_, yes
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1251 2012-09-25 21:03:05 <jgarzik> I wish there was a "getnetmagic" RPC, that returned pchMessageStart and genesis block hash
1252 2012-09-25 21:03:19 <jgarzik> checking getinfo/testnet is underwhelming
1253 2012-09-25 21:04:11 <jgarzik> (this is relevant because pybond will communicate with bitcoind via RPC, and must ensure testcoins and mainnet coins are not mixed)
1254 2012-09-25 21:04:17 <topi`_> phantomcircuit: I guess there's some extra pain now because of the GBP deposit issue? must have lots of bugged customers
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1262 2012-09-25 21:12:01 <sipa> jgarzik: 1.2M unspent transactions, 2.3M unspent txouts
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1266 2012-09-25 21:12:09 <sipa> @ 200512
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1273 2012-09-25 21:18:04 <phantomcircuit> topi`_, less than you would expect
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1277 2012-09-25 21:23:46 <jgarzik> sipa: interesting. what is the key/value pair for coins.dat again? (txid,n) -> pubkey ? and lack of existence indicates it is spent?
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1282 2012-09-25 21:26:50 <sipa> jgarzik: txid -> (version,spentness bitmask,unspent txouts,height)
1283 2012-09-25 21:27:28 <jgarzik> sipa: why store height?
1284 2012-09-25 21:27:58 <maaku> if i want to push an integer larger than 16 onto the stack, do I do OP_PUSHDATA(1|2|4) with the integer serialized to little-endian?
1285 2012-09-25 21:28:41 <sipa> you need it for coinbases, and it's very useful for other transactions as it allows instant lookup of #confirmations (which is needed during block creation to calculate priority)
1286 2012-09-25 21:28:52 <sipa> oh, there is an fCoinbase in there as well
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1288 2012-09-25 21:38:15 <jgarzik> makes sense
1289 2012-09-25 21:38:32 <jgarzik> sipa: 'version' is tx version, block version, or other?
1290 2012-09-25 21:38:44 <sipa> tx version
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1302 2012-09-25 21:53:20 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: TheBlueMatt opened issue bitcoin/bitcoin#1657 <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1657> || apetersson opened issue bitcoin/bitcoin#1656 <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1656> || gmaxwell opened pull request bitcoin/bitcoin#1655 <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1655> || gmaxwell opened issue bitcoin/bitcoin#1654 <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1654> || gmaxwell opened issu
1303 2012-09-25 21:55:05 <bcb> how long should the "bitcoind stop" command take?
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1305 2012-09-25 21:55:57 <bcb> tail -f /data/.bitcoin/debug.log is still showing normal output
1306 2012-09-25 21:57:18 <jrmithdobbs> bcb: depends on version and how it was launched but at most i'd say about 5-10 minutes depending on the machine
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1308 2012-09-25 21:58:24 <gribble> New news from bitcoinrss: TheBlueMatt opened issue 1657 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1657> || apetersson opened issue 1656 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1656> || gmaxwell opened pull request 1655 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1655> || gmaxwell opened issue 1654 on bitcoin/bitcoin <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1654> || gmaxwell
1309 2012-09-25 21:58:25 <bcb> jrmithdobbs: thx. I wait a few
1310 2012-09-25 21:58:50 <bcb> launched as daemon 0.7.0
1311 2012-09-25 21:59:07 <jrmithdobbs> bcb: with or without -detachdb ?
1312 2012-09-25 21:59:20 <jrmithdobbs> because if you didn't pass -detachdb it should stop in <30s really
1313 2012-09-25 21:59:39 <bcb> without
1314 2012-09-25 21:59:44 <bcb> that is the normal behavior
1315 2012-09-25 21:59:53 <jrmithdobbs> did the bitcoind stop; command hang?
1316 2012-09-25 22:00:08 <bcb> how do I check that
1317 2012-09-25 22:00:10 <jrmithdobbs> or did it return and just hasn't stopped?
1318 2012-09-25 22:00:18 <bcb> the comnmand hands
1319 2012-09-25 22:00:26 <bcb> it does not say server shutting down
1320 2012-09-25 22:00:32 <bcb> this time
1321 2012-09-25 22:01:10 <jrmithdobbs> that is abnormal with .7 (and -detachdb isn't default any more unless something changed in one of the rcs that i missed)
1322 2012-09-25 22:01:32 <bcb> should I stop with -detachdb?
1323 2012-09-25 22:02:35 <bcb> i had to kill the process a few time previously to get it to stop
1324 2012-09-25 22:02:48 <bcb> I updated a conf param and I just want to restart
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1328 2012-09-25 22:05:33 <jrmithdobbs> bcb: -detachdb doesn't affect the rpc client, only matters when starting bitcoind, and it makes shutdowns *longer*
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1330 2012-09-25 22:06:30 <bcb> it must read "config" on exit. I changed the param back and it stopped fine.
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1333 2012-09-25 22:08:31 <bcb> i've sent ssl=1 How do i confirm my remote client is connecting securely
1334 2012-09-25 22:08:41 <bcb> set
1335 2012-09-25 22:09:10 <bcb> rpcssl=1
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1352 2012-09-25 22:31:33 <sipa> BlueMatt: the most interesting information from the autotester is whether it builds and succeeds the tests, not whether it merges; i wonder if it wouldn't make more sense to try to build the pullreq'd branch directly, rather than trying to merge it with mainline first (which is shown by github anyway)
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1366 2012-09-25 22:55:03 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: agree w/ sipa
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1368 2012-09-25 22:55:58 <jgarzik> Typically kernel maintainers work and test on their own branch. Linus pulling a pull request may create other issues, and we sort those out at the time of the pull req.
1369 2012-09-25 22:56:43 <jgarzik> The maintainers' branch is usually "recent", but does not have to merge cleanly with Linus' linux.git/master
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1371 2012-09-25 22:57:27 <gmaxwell> It would be fine enough to know ;... if it didn't bump the pullreq. (e.g. if it were using the github testing facility)
1372 2012-09-25 22:57:41 <jgarzik> There is a wholly separate linux-next process, managed by a third party volunteer (not Linus or any maintainer), who merges trees and tries to get them all to build+test together.
1373 2012-09-25 22:58:07 <jgarzik> Thus, Linus works asynchronously from maintainers, and the linux-next future-merge testing is asynchronous from all that.
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1375 2012-09-25 22:58:55 <jgarzik> linux-next maintainer will email maintainers if problems appear; otherwise the default is silence.
1376 2012-09-25 22:59:12 <jgarzik> Successful pulls / working branches never see any traffic from robots say "it works!"
1377 2012-09-25 22:59:15 <jgarzik> *saying
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1379 2012-09-25 23:00:56 <sipa> well i certainly like seeing the "it works", but not 3 comments in an ocean of fails
1380 2012-09-25 23:02:26 <jgarzik> linux-next is also a bit more scalable in that, you get a daily merge report to a mailing list. relevant offending maintainers are CC'd as issues warrant.
1381 2012-09-25 23:02:45 <jgarzik> so you don't have 1,000 individual robot "it failed" emails
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1384 2012-09-25 23:03:43 <jgarzik> but back to the original suggestion... building from the pull req branch makes sense
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1392 2012-09-25 23:12:56 <maaku> OP_AND, OP_OR, and OP_XOR don't move the sign-bit of a vch if one bignum operand needs to be resized (see MakeSameSize). is this a bug?
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1394 2012-09-25 23:14:20 <gmaxwell> sounds like a sign extension bug indeed.
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1401 2012-09-25 23:15:07 <gmaxwell> Guess its good they're disabled. :(
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1404 2012-09-25 23:16:33 <maaku> at this point is that something we simply document and workaround, or do fix it?
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1406 2012-09-25 23:16:56 <maaku> i could submit an pull request, but I don't know if any of those opcodes made it onto on mainnet
1407 2012-09-25 23:17:07 <sipa> no, they're disabled
1408 2012-09-25 23:17:18 <sipa> so they are effectively invalid
1409 2012-09-25 23:17:22 <sipa> and re-enabling them requires a hard fork
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1416 2012-09-25 23:19:16 <gmaxwell> sipa: I suppose they could be reenabled for a P2SHv2 that used a different template.
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1418 2012-09-25 23:20:56 <sipa1024> gmaxwell: indeed
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1420 2012-09-25 23:21:38 <sipa> though i'd prefer cleaning up the script language altogether if we'd do something like that
1421 2012-09-25 23:22:26 <sipa> hmm, are bitcoin uri's supposed to work in windows nowadays?
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1424 2012-09-25 23:23:34 <maaku> i was wondering if there any scripts which made it in before the opcodes were disabled, although it's also true that there could be P2SH outputs that use them (though currently unclaimable)
1425 2012-09-25 23:24:06 <sipa> no, forever unclaimable
1426 2012-09-25 23:24:10 <maaku> more generally, I'm wondering if we should clean-up bugs found in the disabled opcodes, or work around them
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1428 2012-09-25 23:25:23 <gmaxwell> I'm not keen on the review cost of dead code. :(
1429 2012-09-25 23:25:33 <gmaxwell> of fixes for dead code*
1430 2012-09-25 23:25:54 <sipa> those opcodes - for all intents and purposes - don't exist
1431 2012-09-25 23:26:09 <sipa> we can just remove the code and every mentioning of them, and nothing would change
1432 2012-09-25 23:27:10 <maaku> well, i'm coming across these things as I implement my own scripting engine. it'd take me just a few minutes to submit pull requests for this, or anything else i find. just wondering if I should do that or not
1433 2012-09-25 23:27:24 <jgarzik> delete 'em
1434 2012-09-25 23:28:01 <sipa> well, i would certainly not mind a comment near the implementation saying "// this code is buggy because X, but it's disabled anyway"
1435 2012-09-25 23:28:10 <sipa> i don't mind deleting the code either
1436 2012-09-25 23:28:29 <gmaxwell> Comments needs less review. :P
1437 2012-09-25 23:29:04 <maaku> ok, i'll submit a comment for this (and any other bugs i findâ¦)
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1440 2012-09-25 23:33:25 <Belkaar> Dumb question: why are parts of the script disabled?
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1451 2012-09-25 23:38:16 <gmaxwell> Belkaar: Because they were buggy and undertested: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Incidents#CVE-2010-5137
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1454 2012-09-25 23:47:58 <baffled__> I've been running the debian 0.6.2.2 version of bitcoin but an upgrade of p2pool requires I upgrade to a newer version than debian provides, I downloaded the 0.7.0 linux tarbal and when I run the 64bit client I get an error about recovering the database. This is probably a FAQ by now.
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1456 2012-09-25 23:49:14 <baffled__> I wondered if it is because there's no libdb4.8++ library available or exactly what is causing this error.
1457 2012-09-25 23:50:26 <sipa> baffled__: run your old client with -detachdb, shut it down (cleanly), then start 0.7.0
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1461 2012-09-25 23:51:30 <baffled__> I'm not sure what shut it down cleanly means. I shut it down with kill when I shut it down before.
1462 2012-09-25 23:51:53 <baffled__> I've always started it by hand so cleanly isn't clear to me.
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1464 2012-09-25 23:53:20 <sipa> shutdown cleanly means not by crashing
1465 2012-09-25 23:54:57 <sipa> so manual shutdown is fine; killing is also fine, but not kill -KILL or something like that
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1467 2012-09-25 23:55:47 <maaku> how are opcodes actually disabled? is there a list of allowed opcodes? or are they "disabled" because any script which uses them would be non-standard and rejected?
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1469 2012-09-25 23:56:32 <sipa> non-standard is something entirely different from disabled
1470 2012-09-25 23:56:54 <sipa> there's a list of disabled opcodes, in script.cpp
1471 2012-09-25 23:57:34 <sipa> cat, substr, left, right, invert, and, or, xor, 2mul, 2div, mul, div, mod, lshift, rshift
1472 2012-09-25 23:58:21 <maaku> ah ok, i see, in evalscript
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1474 2012-09-25 23:58:24 <maaku> thx that helped me find it
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