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3 2012-10-13 00:04:33 <sipa> http://bitcoin.sipa.be/pruning.png
4 2012-10-13 00:05:02 <sipa> the actual number on the y scale isn't that important, it's the fact that it's clearly going up
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6 2012-10-13 00:07:12 <gmaxwell> hm. Why did it go down?
7 2012-10-13 00:07:33 <sipa> firstbitd?
8 2012-10-13 00:07:38 <sipa> *firstbits?
9 2012-10-13 00:07:42 <gmaxwell> ah.
10 2012-10-13 00:07:53 <sipa> (just a guess)
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12 2012-10-13 00:11:15 <gmaxwell> it's a reasonable guess.
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14 2012-10-13 00:13:43 <sipa> updated
15 2012-10-13 00:14:42 <MC1984> pruning factor
16 2012-10-13 00:14:44 <MC1984> lol
17 2012-10-13 00:15:32 <sipa> funny?
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19 2012-10-13 00:16:02 <sipa> it's the the factor between the size of all transaction outputs and the size of the unspent transaction outputs
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23 2012-10-13 00:22:09 <gmaxwell> so it wasn't tiny outputs responsible for the dip!
24 2012-10-13 00:22:12 <gmaxwell> weird.
25 2012-10-13 00:22:58 <gmaxwell> it's a little troubling that the sizes diverge at a point.
26 2012-10-13 00:23:22 <gmaxwell> suggests to me that a single even had a massive impact on the txout set size there.
27 2012-10-13 00:23:44 <Luke-Jr> SatoshiDice obviously?
28 2012-10-13 00:24:29 <gmaxwell> why would it _decrease_ prunability?
29 2012-10-13 00:24:41 <gmaxwell> it should increase it, enh?
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31 2012-10-13 00:24:56 <sipa> i think SD is responsible for a large part of the recent growth in prunability, yes
32 2012-10-13 00:25:09 <gmaxwell> That was my belief.
33 2012-10-13 00:25:19 <sipa> it's just a guess on my part too
34 2012-10-13 00:25:31 <gmaxwell> Hm perhaps SD changed the average txout value, and the change initially reduced prunablity, but then once change it improved it.
35 2012-10-13 00:26:02 <gmaxwell> e.g. first thing the users did was break big inputs into tiny ones, then they made a bunch of transactions.
36 2012-10-13 00:26:29 <gmaxwell> which has some interesting implications.
37 2012-10-13 00:27:12 <gmaxwell> (e.g. that the original funds came from large bitcoin value txouts, and then the character of newly introduced coin changed, or new coin stopped being introduced.)
38 2012-10-13 00:27:18 <gmaxwell> sipa: you can exclude dice quite easily
39 2012-10-13 00:27:47 <sipa> hmm
40 2012-10-13 00:27:51 * sipa .sleep(28800);
41 2012-10-13 00:27:59 <gmaxwell> just match on the first four bytes of the scriptpubkey.
42 2012-10-13 00:28:05 <gmaxwell> night night.
43 2012-10-13 00:28:12 <Luke-Jr> sipa: the shell sleep command takes "h" suffix FYI
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45 2012-10-13 00:28:27 <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: OMG YOU HAVE REVOLUTIONIZED MY LIFE
46 2012-10-13 00:28:36 <Luke-Jr> LOL
47 2012-10-13 00:28:59 <forrestv> gone are the days of "sleep $((8*60*60))" :P
48 2012-10-13 00:29:16 <sipa> Luke-Jr: my god, i didn't know the shell sleep command was object-oriented!
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50 2012-10-13 00:29:41 <sipa> (anyway, thanks for the tip: i didn't know it took suffices either)
51 2012-10-13 00:29:51 <gmaxwell> well, really most of the waste time I have in dealing with it is figuring how many hours till 7am when I'm tired. :P
52 2012-10-13 00:30:02 <Luke-Jr> XD
53 2012-10-13 00:30:13 <Luke-Jr> yeah, that's what I learned it for tooâ¦
54 2012-10-13 00:30:15 <gmaxwell> I guess I could use at.
55 2012-10-13 00:30:35 <Luke-Jr> got tired of my other alarms not working, but 'sleep 5h && mplayer /path/to/some.ogg' has never failed me
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57 2012-10-13 00:31:28 <gmaxwell> yea. well when travling it's easy to set an unfamilar alarm 12 hours off.
58 2012-10-13 00:32:42 <jgarzik> bah. I'm tired of hand coding all this transaction building crap, or abusing the shell thereof
59 2012-10-13 00:32:49 <jgarzik> time for "tx-tool"
60 2012-10-13 00:33:42 <MC1984> you guys are massive nerds mind
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62 2012-10-13 00:33:54 <MC1984> full pocket protector and mini slide-rule
63 2012-10-13 00:33:58 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: a python module for that stuff would be fun. something that you could ipython<enter>from bitcoin-txn import *
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65 2012-10-13 00:34:47 <jgarzik> someone might hammer this into that shape
66 2012-10-13 00:35:12 <gmaxwell> MC1984: And what people have stood on the surface of something other than the earth without the aid of sliderules?
67 2012-10-13 00:35:24 * jgarzik needs a CLI tool that can handle the "smart" bits of your 2-of-2 escrow example
68 2012-10-13 00:35:38 <jgarzik> something that communicates with RPC API, and makes multisig a bit easier to use
69 2012-10-13 00:36:08 <MC1984> slide me to the moon
70 2012-10-13 00:36:09 <jgarzik> makes handling two-part transactions (you send me XXX, I sign it, maybe do something else with it) a bit easier
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72 2012-10-13 00:36:29 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: have you seen etotheipi's format?
73 2012-10-13 00:36:32 <jgarzik> all the guts is the RPC raw API
74 2012-10-13 00:36:43 <gmaxwell> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BIP_0010
75 2012-10-13 00:36:51 <jgarzik> I was just using raw transaction binary data
76 2012-10-13 00:37:16 <gmaxwell> etotheipi is the same hex encoding.
77 2012-10-13 00:37:47 <gmaxwell> But it does things like handling the txins. that we take as extra parameters in some usecases. (mostly interesting for offline signing)
78 2012-10-13 00:39:57 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: https://gist.github.com/3882537 might come in handy if you're doing a lot of multisig testing
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80 2012-10-13 00:40:52 <gavinandresen> gmaxwell: I don't like BIP 10 because it introduces Yet Another Encoding.
81 2012-10-13 00:41:15 <jgarzik> gavinandresen: cool
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83 2012-10-13 00:42:10 <gmaxwell> gavinandresen: hm? the encoding is the one we already use, it just packages up the seperate bits of data.
84 2012-10-13 00:42:28 <gmaxwell> with information we have format for.
85 2012-10-13 00:42:32 <gmaxwell> er no format
86 2012-10-13 00:42:46 <gavinandresen> We don't already have a "line-begins with ----BEGIN-TRANSACTION--....
87 2012-10-13 00:43:05 <gavinandresen> We've got JSON and a binary serialization
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89 2012-10-13 00:43:29 <gmaxwell> we also don't have any format that sutiable for passing a transaction to an offline wallet for signing.
90 2012-10-13 00:43:39 <gavinandresen> What's wrong with JSON?
91 2012-10-13 00:43:57 <gmaxwell> Okay, I see what you're saying now.
92 2012-10-13 00:44:57 <gmaxwell> (I thought you were saying that it was redundant to, e.g. the output of decoderawtransaction)
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94 2012-10-13 00:48:12 <MC1984> will the URI integration work properly on all browsers
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96 2012-10-13 00:48:58 <gmaxwell> You tell us??
97 2012-10-13 00:49:05 <gavinandresen> MC1984: on Windows? I think so. Mac: doesn't work at all. Linux: no idea what you have to do to make it work.
98 2012-10-13 00:49:18 <MC1984> ok
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102 2012-10-13 00:51:33 <MC1984> its there a plan for sort of mostly hiding those huge ugly bitcoin addresses from the end user?
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104 2012-10-13 00:52:29 <gmaxwell> the URIs are a first step. Too bad they seem to be really hard to get working!
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109 2012-10-13 00:58:35 <MC1984> yeah
110 2012-10-13 00:59:07 <MC1984> ar you dropping mac support?
111 2012-10-13 00:59:45 <jgarzik> MC1984: no
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114 2012-10-13 01:00:10 <gmaxwell> 0_o
115 2012-10-13 01:00:29 <MC1984> oh 10.5 is really old
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118 2012-10-13 01:02:33 <MC1984> hold onto yer butts
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125 2012-10-13 01:11:41 <jgarzik> woo! raking in that testnet3 fee income!
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138 2012-10-13 01:19:36 <jgarzik> /Ufasoft Coin:0.36/ is quite active on testnet3
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140 2012-10-13 01:20:53 <jgarzik> sipa: addrman needs a simple fix, to avoid trying an address it just tried < 5 minutes ago
141 2012-10-13 01:21:37 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: it pretty much only does that when it still wants more connections and has nothing else to try.
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198 2012-10-13 02:45:25 <jgarzik> gmaxwell: yep
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200 2012-10-13 02:46:10 <jgarzik> 10/13/12 02:26:22 Flushed 4897 addresses to peers.dat 13ms
201 2012-10-13 02:46:11 <jgarzik> 10/13/12 02:28:02 Flushed 4897 addresses to peers.dat 14ms
202 2012-10-13 02:46:11 <jgarzik> 10/13/12 02:29:42 Flushed 4897 addresses to peers.dat 15ms
203 2012-10-13 02:46:11 <jgarzik> 10/13/12 02:31:22 Flushed 4897 addresses to peers.dat 14ms
204 2012-10-13 02:46:33 <jgarzik> no call for that, either. that wants updating, to avoid writing when state does not change.
205 2012-10-13 02:46:50 <gmaxwell> But last tried change.
206 2012-10-13 02:47:07 <gmaxwell> er changed.
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214 2012-10-13 02:55:17 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, which is why it only took 14ms
215 2012-10-13 02:55:20 <phantomcircuit> :)
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218 2012-10-13 03:01:41 <jgarzik> hmmm
219 2012-10-13 03:02:10 <jgarzik> using the RPC API, it seems I have a need to know a change address for the wallet
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221 2012-10-13 03:02:44 <gmaxwell> hm. I've always used a regular address for raw change.
222 2012-10-13 03:02:56 <gmaxwell> I guess we ought to add a flag to get one of those.
223 2012-10-13 03:02:58 <jgarzik> building a TX that spends a specific nValue to a specific address... but need to pick out coins
224 2012-10-13 03:03:17 <jgarzik> it is easy enough to design the outputs... but where to send the change?
225 2012-10-13 03:03:26 <gmaxwell> right, you can just use a non-change address though you'll get two entries in listtransactions.
226 2012-10-13 03:03:47 <gmaxwell> (which is what I've done and never even considered that I'd want a change flagged address!)
227 2012-10-13 03:04:12 <gmaxwell> though god knows what evil will happen if you getnewaddress [changeflag] and give it to someone else to start paying.
228 2012-10-13 03:04:21 <gmaxwell> That will need testing.
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230 2012-10-13 03:04:38 <jgarzik> I suppose I must 'getaccountaddress account-for-change', and use that
231 2012-10-13 03:05:37 <gmaxwell> thats basically what I've done.
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242 2012-10-13 03:24:11 <gmaxwell> ... keypoololdest incrementing every time I run getinfo is not an expected behavior right?
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244 2012-10-13 03:25:23 <gmaxwell> yea.. showing the currrent time. 0_o
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265 2012-10-13 03:52:56 <devrandom> ;;later tell gavinandresen almost got bitcoin-qt compiling on Precise / gitian / lxc. Getting one link error: undefined reference to `boost::chrono::system_clock::now()'
266 2012-10-13 03:52:57 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
267 2012-10-13 03:54:05 <devrandom> ;;later tell gavinandresen pull latest gitian if you try
268 2012-10-13 03:54:06 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
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274 2012-10-13 04:12:00 <gmaxwell> gonna have to change my vanity onion address.
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276 2012-10-13 04:12:30 <gmaxwell> There is now an openCL one that does 600 million atttempts per second on a 6870.
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278 2012-10-13 04:12:46 <jgarzik> gah
279 2012-10-13 04:12:51 <jgarzik> this coin mixing is a fscking mess
280 2012-10-13 04:13:07 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: watcha trying to do?
281 2012-10-13 04:13:09 <jgarzik> pybond will hereby require two wallets, a smartcoin wallet and a payment wallet
282 2012-10-13 04:13:14 <gmaxwell> ah.
283 2012-10-13 04:13:29 <jgarzik> trying to keep bitcoin from accidentally spending smartcoins
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286 2012-10-13 04:17:58 <gmaxwell> I'm still a bit sad about the smartcoins, the exponential growth of the txout set doesn't need help. :P
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319 2012-10-13 05:26:43 <maaku> anyone know a NoSQL database especially suited for exchanges?
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335 2012-10-13 05:54:31 <weex> i'd look for 'transactional nosql'
336 2012-10-13 05:56:05 <jgarzik> maaku: whatever the database, buy lots of SSDs
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338 2012-10-13 05:57:49 <jgarzik> gmaxwell: one of my ideas remains for a better-pybond "p2ptrade", which assists in cross-chain trading in a trustless or low trust environment. Making cross-chain trading easy would enable a smart-property alt-chain.
339 2012-10-13 05:59:02 <maaku> weex jgarzik, thx
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415 2012-10-13 08:48:19 <freewil> is it possible to generate a multisig address without having both priv keys in the wallet?
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475 2012-10-13 10:47:18 <freewil> how come bitcoind doesnt show transactions sent to a multisig address even if you have added it using addmultisigaddress. apparently you also need to import the n-keys?
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479 2012-10-13 11:03:28 <aurigae1> anybody here who can make statistics of my pool display on a website? I have ecoin and eloi pool working, either one of them should display stats on a website.
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497 2012-10-13 11:45:09 <sipa> freewil: bitckind doesn't consider them yours unless you have all keys
498 2012-10-13 11:45:54 <sipa> freewil: and you can generate a multisig address from just the pubkeys
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608 2012-10-13 15:55:58 <jgarzik> ./smartcoin m=show id=test
609 2012-10-13 15:55:59 <jgarzik> http://pastebin.com/6HzCbWcb
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611 2012-10-13 16:00:55 <TD> cool!
612 2012-10-13 16:01:08 <TD> that's fetched from the DHT?
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623 2012-10-13 16:22:44 <jgarzik> TD: local database for now
624 2012-10-13 16:23:20 <jgarzik> TD: I created an "issue" object, which is a container for N bonds which behave similarly
625 2012-10-13 16:23:45 <jgarzik> TD: it seemed wasteful to create a new bond for each holder
626 2012-10-13 16:23:51 <TD> sure
627 2012-10-13 16:24:34 <jgarzik> TD: also, an error... the distributed bonds page is self-referential: it references the OutPoint in the model... then describes that object as being hashed, and stored as a BOND<hash> message ... in the outpoint
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629 2012-10-13 16:25:17 <jgarzik> hash comes after outpoint creation, so you cannot stuff the bond message in the stated outpoint
630 2012-10-13 16:25:56 <TD> oops
631 2012-10-13 16:26:17 <jgarzik> TD: https://github.com/jgarzik/pybond/blob/master/codec.proto is similar to your protobuf model
632 2012-10-13 16:26:21 <TD> i suppose you could have the hash id the transaction with the bond marker removed
633 2012-10-13 16:26:34 <jgarzik> TD: yep
634 2012-10-13 16:26:46 <jgarzik> TD: that's what I'm doing for now
635 2012-10-13 16:26:50 <TD> ok
636 2012-10-13 16:27:35 <jgarzik> TD: you create the Genesis Transaction, then create the issue (bond), then any children have the BOND message attached
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638 2012-10-13 16:27:59 <jgarzik> TD: though I might do a second Genesis Transaction, with BOND hash attached, and _then_ create any children
639 2012-10-13 16:28:31 <jgarzik> bbiab
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644 2012-10-13 16:40:18 <freewil> is there any reason why bitcoind couldn't easily be modified to show payments sent to a multisigaddress that has been added using addmultisigaddress (ismine: true) without adding all the keys
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650 2012-10-13 16:49:57 <gmaxwell> freewil: because it is very risky if the wallet shows you being paid funds that you can't actually spend.
651 2012-10-13 16:50:26 <freewil> i see
652 2012-10-13 16:50:40 <freewil> this seems to seriously limit the usefulness of multisigaddresses though
653 2012-10-13 16:50:41 <gmaxwell> I don't think we should do that without having a seperate list of transactions for those kinds of things.
654 2012-10-13 16:51:13 <freewil> that complicates things
655 2012-10-13 16:51:19 <gmaxwell> freewil: why? you can still getrawtransaction 1 them. It's not like you won't know they exist.
656 2012-10-13 16:51:24 <freewil> maybe an extra flag to specify to show those?
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658 2012-10-13 16:52:11 <gmaxwell> Flag/ seperate command, same deal.
659 2012-10-13 16:52:28 <freewil> how are you supposed to know the transaction exists?
660 2012-10-13 16:52:41 <freewil> you need to know about the txid to call getrawtransaction
661 2012-10-13 16:53:19 <freewil> what if you just want to addmultisigaddress
662 2012-10-13 16:53:27 <freewil> then start listening for payments sent to that address
663 2012-10-13 16:53:38 <freewil> without having all the keys
664 2012-10-13 16:54:49 <gmaxwell> freewil: how did the transaction come into existance without giving someone the address?
665 2012-10-13 16:57:09 <freewil> well you could have created two addresses on some machine a
666 2012-10-13 16:57:17 <freewil> then addmultisigaddress on machine b
667 2012-10-13 16:57:28 <freewil> tell user about the multisigaddress on machine b
668 2012-10-13 16:57:34 <freewil> then listen for payments to it on machine b
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672 2012-10-13 16:59:05 <freewil> but now you would need to have both keys on machine b to know about the payment
673 2012-10-13 16:59:09 <gmaxwell> Well we currently have no listening facility, multisig or no.
674 2012-10-13 16:59:16 <gmaxwell> s/no/not/
675 2012-10-13 16:59:29 <gmaxwell> s/listening/listening-only/ really
676 2012-10-13 16:59:43 <freewil> well by listening i mean using -blocknotify and listsince/listtransactions
677 2012-10-13 17:00:23 <gmaxwell> sure, and we currently can't do that for transactions we can't spend.
678 2012-10-13 17:01:54 <freewil> it seems like if you call addmultisigaddress x1, x2 -> x3, and then call validateaddress x3 (ismine: true)
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680 2012-10-13 17:02:16 <freewil> then it should show up in any applicable transaction rpc calls (listsince, listtransactions)
681 2012-10-13 17:02:43 <freewil> or have an extra option to do so?
682 2012-10-13 17:03:23 <freewil> is that github-issue-opening worthy?
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687 2012-10-13 17:11:33 <jgarzik> BFL posts an update on their build, https://forums.butterflylabs.com/showthread.php/104-Shipping-in-2-3-weeks?p=1461&viewfull=1#post1461
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689 2012-10-13 17:12:38 <jgarzik> TD: in terms of status, the DHT/P2P skeleton is complete, but I'm shelving that for the moment. The basic bond stuff needs to work locally first, before it is useful to advertise it on any network. That is what is being created right now.
690 2012-10-13 17:13:42 <jgarzik> the DHT initializes itself, and P2P network talks to other nodes: "hello!" "hello!" "here are some addresses" <insert useful work here :)>
691 2012-10-13 17:13:58 <jgarzik> now time for the useful work
692 2012-10-13 17:15:01 <D34TH> im seeding bootstrap.dat
693 2012-10-13 17:15:02 <D34TH> :D
694 2012-10-13 17:15:23 <jgarzik> D34TH: thanks!
695 2012-10-13 17:15:35 <jgarzik> D34TH: you dropped before I had a chance to thank you yesterday ;p
696 2012-10-13 17:15:38 ThomasV has joined
697 2012-10-13 17:15:39 <D34TH> throw it on my seedbox everyone finished downloading really quickly
698 2012-10-13 17:15:43 <D34TH> **threw
699 2012-10-13 17:15:47 <jgarzik> hehe
700 2012-10-13 17:15:58 <jgarzik> D34TH: your seedbox supports DHT?
701 2012-10-13 17:16:07 <D34TH> utorrent server does
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703 2012-10-13 17:16:35 <jgarzik> good
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709 2012-10-13 17:25:29 <jgarzik> pybond is hereby renamed to "smartcoin": https://github.com/jgarzik/smartcoin
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713 2012-10-13 17:29:11 <jgarzik> I have smartcoins.org, but alas someone grabbed smartcoin.org, and is squatting on it
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715 2012-10-13 17:34:15 <D34TH> i could totally market you with some ipv6 enabled hosting
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728 2012-10-13 17:51:32 <sebicas> Hello, can somebody send me some Testnet coins to myF5SEABbSPKQirrXv3iKV6WqGoM5AQQJw
729 2012-10-13 17:51:46 <gmaxwell> sebicas: http://testnet.freebitcoins.appspot.com/
730 2012-10-13 17:51:52 <sebicas> Looks like http://testnet.freebitcoins.appspot.com/ is not working⦠or at least I am not getting it anything
731 2012-10-13 17:52:06 <gmaxwell> sebicas: what version of bitcoin are you running?
732 2012-10-13 17:52:12 <sebicas> Latest..
733 2012-10-13 17:52:19 <gmaxwell> how many blocks do you see in testnet?
734 2012-10-13 17:52:20 <sebicas> I just clone the git repo and built it
735 2012-10-13 17:52:31 <sebicas> "blocks" : 33058,
736 2012-10-13 17:52:33 <sebicas> Looks ok
737 2012-10-13 17:52:44 <gmaxwell> yea. okay. one sec.
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739 2012-10-13 17:53:31 <gmaxwell> remember to return to the faucet when you're done with them.
740 2012-10-13 17:53:38 <gmaxwell> (txid: 2855496d21641b0050eb985ea7652a5c0b1351978fe1befdf3f3645f41f2e533)
741 2012-10-13 17:53:50 <sebicas> Thanks!
742 2012-10-13 17:54:02 <sebicas> If I do⦠./bitcoind -testnet getrawmempool
743 2012-10-13 17:54:08 <sebicas> Can't it
744 2012-10-13 17:54:10 <sebicas> Is that ok?
745 2012-10-13 17:54:19 <gmaxwell> Can't it?
746 2012-10-13 17:54:24 <sebicas> nop
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748 2012-10-13 17:54:31 <gmaxwell> I don't understand you.
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751 2012-10-13 17:55:01 <gmaxwell> (also, if you put testnet=1 in your bitcoin.conf you can leave the -testnet off)
752 2012-10-13 17:55:17 <sebicas> I start it with -testnet
753 2012-10-13 17:56:03 <sebicas> Ok, I will double check my installation, it may be me...
754 2012-10-13 17:56:10 <sebicas> IThanks gmaxwell!
755 2012-10-13 17:56:18 <gmaxwell> I don't understand what your problem is, but good luck!
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768 2012-10-13 18:07:17 <sebicas> gmaxwell: Could you please take a look at http://pastie.org/private/kn4v4hstnku03jna1pkpia
769 2012-10-13 18:07:29 <sebicas> And tell me if you see something wrong..
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771 2012-10-13 18:09:50 <gmaxwell> run validateaddress myF5SEABbSPKQirrXv3iKV6WqGoM5AQQJw
772 2012-10-13 18:09:56 <gmaxwell> and see what ismine says/
773 2012-10-13 18:09:58 <gmaxwell> ?
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775 2012-10-13 18:10:13 <sebicas> Ok
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777 2012-10-13 18:10:39 <sebicas> http://pastie.org/5053397
778 2012-10-13 18:11:08 <gmaxwell> how long has your node been running?
779 2012-10-13 18:11:19 <sebicas> Half an hour
780 2012-10-13 18:12:39 <gmaxwell> My two testnet nodes see it. Hm.
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782 2012-10-13 18:13:21 <gmaxwell> Can you look in your debug.log and see if you see if you see 28554 in it anywhere?
783 2012-10-13 18:13:29 <sebicas> Le tme see
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785 2012-10-13 18:14:15 <sebicas> http://pastie.org/5053411
786 2012-10-13 18:15:24 <gmaxwell> hm. sebicas can you pastebin your getpeerinfo ?
787 2012-10-13 18:15:30 <sebicas> ok
788 2012-10-13 18:15:44 <gmaxwell> You should see a CTxMemPool::accept() : accepted 2855496d21 (poolsz 1)
789 2012-10-13 18:15:58 <gmaxwell> someplace. I see it on my second node, as well as a bunch of getdatas from my peers.
790 2012-10-13 18:16:16 <sebicas> http://pastie.org/5053425
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792 2012-10-13 18:17:54 <gmaxwell> very interesting. You're not connected to any of my nodes, which all have the transaction.
793 2012-10-13 18:17:59 <gmaxwell> I wonder if someone is attacking testnet.
794 2012-10-13 18:18:06 <sebicas> Um.
795 2012-10-13 18:18:14 <gmaxwell> anyways, you should see it now
796 2012-10-13 18:18:17 <gmaxwell> "blocks" : 33059,
797 2012-10-13 18:18:29 <gmaxwell> (as it now has 1 confirmation0
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799 2012-10-13 18:18:50 <sebicas> I still on "blocks" : 33058,
800 2012-10-13 18:19:56 <gmaxwell> We're partitioned for some reason then. It's been almost two minutes.
801 2012-10-13 18:20:01 <sebicas> I guess I add your nodes to bitcoind and should be fixed⦠correct?
802 2012-10-13 18:20:22 <sebicas> Still on "blocks" : 33058
803 2012-10-13 18:20:55 <sebicas> May be is not discovering all the node correctly..
804 2012-10-13 18:21:10 <gmaxwell> It shouldn't have to.
805 2012-10-13 18:21:16 <gmaxwell> Any mention of 4fd017 in your log?
806 2012-10-13 18:21:41 <sebicas> Nop
807 2012-10-13 18:21:41 <gmaxwell> received block 000000004fd017e9fb77
808 2012-10-13 18:21:42 <gmaxwell> SetBestChain: new best=000000004fd017e9fb77 height=33059 work=1528250208853526 date=10/13/12 18:06:25
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810 2012-10-13 18:22:25 <sebicas> No, I still on "blocks" : 33058
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812 2012-10-13 18:23:44 <sebicas> Where can I get trustable testnet nodes?
813 2012-10-13 18:23:51 <gmaxwell> I am connected to every single one of your peers.
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815 2012-10-13 18:24:11 <sebicas> Ahh
816 2012-10-13 18:24:12 <sebicas> Ok
817 2012-10-13 18:24:18 <gmaxwell> please email your debug.log to gmaxwell@gmail.com
818 2012-10-13 18:24:39 <sebicas> Ok
819 2012-10-13 18:24:39 <gmaxwell> after you do that try restarting and seeinf if you get the latest block
820 2012-10-13 18:24:59 <gmaxwell> I need to figure out if git master is broken or if someone is performing an attack that we're vulnerable to.
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822 2012-10-13 18:27:22 <sebicas> Sent
823 2012-10-13 18:27:57 <sebicas> I am Restarting now
824 2012-10-13 18:28:34 <sebicas> Got "blocks" : 33059
825 2012-10-13 18:28:40 <sebicas> And "balance" : 50.00000000
826 2012-10-13 18:30:50 <gmaxwell> Hm.
827 2012-10-13 18:31:05 <gmaxwell> can you send me your getpeerinfo again?
828 2012-10-13 18:31:10 <gmaxwell> via pastbin is fine
829 2012-10-13 18:31:10 <sebicas> Sure.
830 2012-10-13 18:31:25 <D34TH> gmaxwell want me to bootup a testnet node?
831 2012-10-13 18:31:43 <sebicas> http://pastie.org/5053503
832 2012-10-13 18:31:44 <gmaxwell> D34TH: a non-listening one perhaps?
833 2012-10-13 18:31:52 <D34TH> sure gimmie a sec
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835 2012-10-13 18:32:22 <D34TH> got a specific node you want me to addnode?
836 2012-10-13 18:32:31 <sebicas> a few minutes after starting my node I requested some tenetnet coin from the Faucet
837 2012-10-13 18:32:33 <gmaxwell> D34TH: nah, let it go organically.
838 2012-10-13 18:32:36 <sebicas> Since I didn't get any
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840 2012-10-13 18:32:48 <sebicas> I indicate the node to get some
841 2012-10-13 18:32:57 <gmaxwell> sebicas: well, the faucet could indeed be broken right now
842 2012-10-13 18:33:08 <gmaxwell> I assume that what you got was the funds I sent you.
843 2012-10-13 18:33:15 <D34TH> starting
844 2012-10-13 18:33:37 <sebicas> Yes
845 2012-10-13 18:33:57 <sebicas> Well, looks like eveyrhitng is ok now..
846 2012-10-13 18:34:05 <sebicas> I can send you some to test it you like..
847 2012-10-13 18:34:07 <gmaxwell> right so the only open questions are why didn't you see the rumor or the new block before.
848 2012-10-13 18:34:24 <sebicas> The only I can think of is the I did a ./bitcoind -testnet setgenerate true
849 2012-10-13 18:34:32 <sebicas> A few minutes after starting the node
850 2012-10-13 18:34:49 <gmaxwell> Okay. Shouldn't matter of course... but... we'll see, I'm looking at your log now.
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852 2012-10-13 18:36:56 <gmaxwell> sebicas: let me try sending you some more coins.
853 2012-10-13 18:37:03 <gmaxwell> your node still running? don't restart it.
854 2012-10-13 18:37:04 <sebicas> Ok
855 2012-10-13 18:37:06 <sebicas> Yes
856 2012-10-13 18:37:24 <gmaxwell> ab6210ef8c7fce73e993c7fe05aebb174c1b281a9332bf7a76e9113fafe40595 < do you see it?
857 2012-10-13 18:37:29 <sebicas> Let me see
858 2012-10-13 18:37:38 <sebicas> Yep got it..
859 2012-10-13 18:37:42 <gmaxwell> darnit.
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861 2012-10-13 18:38:11 <sebicas> well
862 2012-10-13 18:38:15 <sebicas> Not sure that happened.
863 2012-10-13 18:38:19 <D34TH> http://pastebin.com/Ad0aciDH
864 2012-10-13 18:38:21 <sebicas> But looks like now is ok
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866 2012-10-13 18:40:31 <gmaxwell> D34TH: okay, can you setgenerate true and see if you get stuck like sebicas was?
867 2012-10-13 18:40:51 <D34TH> does it have to be setgenerate or can i mine?
868 2012-10-13 18:41:10 <D34TH> with a sepearate miner
869 2012-10-13 18:41:18 <gmaxwell> Well I was suggesting the internal miner because: (1) I don't test it, and (2) thats what he did.
870 2012-10-13 18:41:21 <gmaxwell> I mine.
871 2012-10-13 18:41:35 <D34TH> turned on setgenerate
872 2012-10-13 18:41:43 <sebicas> I will try setting it to setgenerate true again to see it happens again
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874 2012-10-13 18:42:28 <gmaxwell> sebicas: your log is very weird. After block 33058 there is no evidence that you're talking to any of your peers anymore.. no invs no getdata.. nothing.
875 2012-10-13 18:42:40 <sebicas> Umm
876 2012-10-13 18:43:57 <D34TH> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1277442/
877 2012-10-13 18:44:04 <gmaxwell> "blocks" : 33063,
878 2012-10-13 18:44:06 <gmaxwell> btw
879 2012-10-13 18:44:53 <D34TH> "blocks" : 33064,
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881 2012-10-13 18:45:00 <D34TH> im still talking to peers
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883 2012-10-13 18:45:19 <D34TH> i see the getblocks
884 2012-10-13 18:45:37 <D34TH> gmaxwell i think its just him
885 2012-10-13 18:46:09 <gmaxwell> D34TH: it's not happening again to him, unfortunately, after restarting he was fixed.
886 2012-10-13 18:46:19 <gmaxwell> The problem now is I don't know it was triggered.
887 2012-10-13 18:46:20 <D34TH> ahh
888 2012-10-13 18:46:39 <sebicas> "blocks" : 33065,
889 2012-10-13 18:46:54 <sebicas> Looks like everything is ok now..
890 2012-10-13 18:47:46 <sebicas> Not sure what was the problem.
891 2012-10-13 18:48:40 <gmaxwell> well, I know all the rpcs you called, so I'll try building a test harness to reproduce it. Thanks for the report and happy testing!
892 2012-10-13 18:48:57 <jgarzik> SetBestChain: new best=0000000000cf1e52200e height=33065 work=1532584888143444 date=10/13/12 18:33:45
893 2012-10-13 18:49:22 <sebicas> Yep, got it
894 2012-10-13 18:50:02 <jgarzik> client spread:
895 2012-10-13 18:50:17 <jgarzik> 63.131.210.203:4242 /Ufasoft Coin:0.36/ 4140 getblocks -1 to 00000000000000000000 limit 500
896 2012-10-13 18:50:17 <jgarzik> 12.47.47.47:60762 /Satoshi:0.7.0.99/ 32461 getblocks -1 to 00000000000000000000 limit 500
897 2012-10-13 18:50:17 <jgarzik> 24.253.13.34:60408 /Satoshi:0.7.0.3/ 32884 getblocks -1 to 00000000000000000000 limit 500
898 2012-10-13 18:50:17 <jgarzik> 115.187.242.125:18333 /Satoshi:0.7.1/ 33012 getblocks -1 to 00000000000000000000 limit 500
899 2012-10-13 18:50:17 <jgarzik> 201.80.82.128:57484 /Satoshi:0.7.0.3/ 33035 getblocks -1 to 00000000000000000000 limit 500
900 2012-10-13 18:50:18 <jgarzik> 128.71.125.207:37826 /Satoshi:0.7.0.3/ 33058 getblocks -1 to 00000000000000000000 limit 500
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902 2012-10-13 18:50:46 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: yea, but are they stuck or are those just old log entries?
903 2012-10-13 18:51:15 <jgarzik> Not saying they are stuck. This is the most recent log entry, but this is a long running node. Those may be long running connections.
904 2012-10-13 18:51:39 <gmaxwell> yea. I need to add some peerstuckcheck that getblocks the best from all peers.
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906 2012-10-13 18:52:07 * gmaxwell goes to bounce his node.
907 2012-10-13 18:52:48 <jgarzik> wonder if we need an IBD slow start
908 2012-10-13 18:52:58 <jgarzik> request a few blocks from various peers, and measure responses
909 2012-10-13 18:53:04 <jgarzik> then ramp up to the faster peers
910 2012-10-13 18:53:41 <gmaxwell> okay, I bounced my testnet node, back to 7 connections. All are at the best block.
911 2012-10-13 18:53:53 <gmaxwell> 10 connections.
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919 2012-10-13 19:01:19 <jgarzik> a transaction!
920 2012-10-13 19:01:25 <jgarzik> it's a very exciting day on testnet3 today
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922 2012-10-13 19:02:34 <gmaxwell> haha
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954 2012-10-13 20:13:04 <freewil> are transactions using multisig addresses significantly larger?
955 2012-10-13 20:15:34 <sipa> if you're just looking at the outputs (which is what will matter mostly in the future, imho), no
956 2012-10-13 20:15:43 <sipa> if you're looking at the inputs as well: yes, a bit
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958 2012-10-13 20:16:59 <freewil> ok
959 2012-10-13 20:17:16 <freewil> im planning on directly giving users multisig deposit addresses
960 2012-10-13 20:18:07 <sipa> don't worry about that
961 2012-10-13 20:18:34 <freewil> dont worry about size?
962 2012-10-13 20:18:59 <vazakl> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=117982.0
963 2012-10-13 20:19:02 <vazakl> bootstrap.dat
964 2012-10-13 20:19:03 <vazakl> nice
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978 2012-10-13 20:56:20 <jgarzik> let's release 0.7.1 already, and pull ultraprune
979 2012-10-13 20:56:27 <jgarzik> I need the gettxout RPC! ;p
980 2012-10-13 20:57:15 <D34TH> ;P
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982 2012-10-13 20:57:34 <sipa> in order to make verification of ultraprune easier, i've created a sethash.h which helps calculating a hash of a set, without relying on the order of adding elements to it
983 2012-10-13 20:58:05 <jgarzik> sipa: C++ sets, like maps, are ordered. Correct?
984 2012-10-13 20:58:09 <sipa> jgarzik: yes
985 2012-10-13 20:58:44 <sipa> jgarzik: but the problem is that i want a hash that can be calculated easily both in the old codebase and in ultraprune
986 2012-10-13 20:59:05 <sipa> as the utxo set can be extracted from the current blkindex.dat + blk????.dat
987 2012-10-13 20:59:09 <sipa> but not in the same order
988 2012-10-13 20:59:37 <sipa> jgarzik: stl::set is basically C++'s TreeSet
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990 2012-10-13 21:01:07 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, lol there are no peers for that bootstrap.dat torrent
991 2012-10-13 21:01:28 <sipa> phantomcircuit: you need a client that supports DHT
992 2012-10-13 21:01:34 <phantomcircuit> i have one
993 2012-10-13 21:01:34 <sipa> and it may take a while to find peers
994 2012-10-13 21:01:49 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: The normal state is 0 peers, 4+ seeds
995 2012-10-13 21:01:53 <jgarzik> afaict
996 2012-10-13 21:02:03 <jgarzik> phatty seeds mean peers get their fill quickly ;p
997 2012-10-13 21:02:05 <phantomcircuit> it's a persistent rtorrent client on a server
998 2012-10-13 21:02:17 <phantomcircuit> it should be able to find peers fairly quickly
999 2012-10-13 21:02:24 <sipa> phantomcircuit: rtorrent needs some command-line settings for DHT, it seems
1000 2012-10-13 21:02:26 <sipa> ask gmaxwell
1001 2012-10-13 21:02:29 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: rtorrent is special, too. in the short-bus kind of way.
1002 2012-10-13 21:02:35 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: dht=on
1003 2012-10-13 21:02:45 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: dht_add_node=router.bittorrent.com
1004 2012-10-13 21:02:50 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: dht_add_node=router.utorrent.com
1005 2012-10-13 21:02:55 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: dht_add_node=dht.transmissionbt.com
1006 2012-10-13 21:03:11 <jgarzik> sipa: correct
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1015 2012-10-13 21:11:48 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, why not include open udp trackers also?
1016 2012-10-13 21:11:50 <phantomcircuit> magnet:?xt=urn:btih:0bb0521942f586ed96203c6f4d136324756f8a9a&dn=bootstrap.dat&tr=udp://tracker.publicbt.com:80&tr=udp://tracker.ccc.de:80&tr=udp://tracker.istole.it:80&tr=udp://tracker.openbittorrent.com:80
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1018 2012-10-13 21:12:51 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: the general idea was to avoid making anyone a target of bitcoin DDoS's, which are largely inevitable for anything remotely considered "bitcoin website" or "bitcoin infrastructure"
1019 2012-10-13 21:13:14 Pasha is now known as Cory
1020 2012-10-13 21:13:25 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: in the client space, DHT support tends to exist if UDP tracker support exists. If UDP tracker support is absent, DHT support is also likely absent.
1021 2012-10-13 21:13:44 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: but overall... this is a test
1022 2012-10-13 21:13:54 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, shrug
1023 2012-10-13 21:14:05 <jgarzik> if the owners of those trackers are OK with bitcoin usage, and it turns out to be helpful... why not?
1024 2012-10-13 21:14:11 <phantomcircuit> i doubt anybody is going to ddos open tracker over bitcoin things being there
1025 2012-10-13 21:14:34 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, "OpenBitTorrent is a bittorrent tracker free for anyone to use. You don't need to register, upload or index a torrent anywhere, all you have to do is to include the OpenBitTorrent tracker URL in your torrent."
1026 2012-10-13 21:15:12 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: most of them include a fine print asking you to contact them first, if you will be directing a lot of new traffic their way
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1029 2012-10-13 21:18:29 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, yes well i dont expect this will result in a lot of traffic :)
1030 2012-10-13 21:18:33 <phantomcircuit> (on the scale they mean)
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1032 2012-10-13 21:19:43 <D34TH> openbittorrent is a really heavily used tracker, i doubt there would be enough traffic to make an impact
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1037 2012-10-13 21:26:13 <jgarzik> someone already posted an unofficial magnet link, adding udp trackers, to the forum:
1038 2012-10-13 21:26:15 <jgarzik> magnet:?xt=urn:btih:0bb0521942f586ed96203c6f4d136324756f8a9a&dn=bootstrap.dat&tr=udp://tracker.openbittorrent.com:80&tr=udp://tracker.publicbt.com:80&tr=udp://tracker.ccc.de:80&tr=udp://tracker.istole.it:80
1039 2012-10-13 21:27:29 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, ps the seeders on this torrent are not that fast :)
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1043 2012-10-13 21:30:59 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: <shrug> guess you are choking... I see an rtorrent on my two seeders, and neither is pumping at max bandwidth
1044 2012-10-13 21:31:52 <phantomcircuit> im guessing im chocked because there are no other leechers it looks like im not sharing
1045 2012-10-13 21:31:54 <phantomcircuit> lol
1046 2012-10-13 21:32:07 <phantomcircuit> everybody else is utorrent or transmission
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1051 2012-10-13 21:36:57 <D34TH> im only pumping @ 5.5 MB/s
1052 2012-10-13 21:36:59 <D34TH> :(
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1054 2012-10-13 21:42:24 <D34TH> phantomcircuit, are you downloading it on your local computer?
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1056 2012-10-13 21:43:22 <phantomcircuit> no on a server in france
1057 2012-10-13 21:43:29 <phantomcircuit> 1 gbps connection
1058 2012-10-13 21:43:33 <D34TH> i think i see you
1059 2012-10-13 21:43:36 <phantomcircuit> (and actually sustains that for long periods)
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1061 2012-10-13 21:44:19 <D34TH> just gave you priority and you are only pulling 1.1 MB/s currently
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1064 2012-10-13 21:47:26 <graingert> 5MB/s ?
1065 2012-10-13 21:47:28 <graingert> for what
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1067 2012-10-13 21:48:32 <graingert> phantomcircuit: ^
1068 2012-10-13 21:48:40 <graingert> is this bootstrap.dat
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1074 2012-10-13 21:59:06 <phantomcircuit> D34TH, i suspect it's transatlantic bandwidth being shitty
1075 2012-10-13 21:59:11 <phantomcircuit> graingert, yes
1076 2012-10-13 21:59:27 <graingert> phantomcircuit: what's it for?
1077 2012-10-13 21:59:42 <D34TH> bootstrap.dat
1078 2012-10-13 21:59:48 <phantomcircuit> 0.7.1 contains a feature where by you can load the blockchain from a .dat
1079 2012-10-13 21:59:58 <graingert> handy dat
1080 2012-10-13 21:59:58 <phantomcircuit> everything is verified as if it was from the network
1081 2012-10-13 22:00:01 <phantomcircuit> but it's much faster
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1087 2012-10-13 22:11:41 <MaTTFuRY> hello im looking into developing a suitable for miner for intel cards (as there doesnt seem to be one)
1088 2012-10-13 22:12:03 <MaTTFuRY> my card supports dx9/10 opengl games so i figure it must -ok- for mining
1089 2012-10-13 22:12:04 <graingert> MaTTFuRY: lol
1090 2012-10-13 22:12:09 <graingert> no
1091 2012-10-13 22:12:39 <MaTTFuRY> 1.2mHash/sec sucks tho :(
1092 2012-10-13 22:12:40 <MaTTFuRY> :p
1093 2012-10-13 22:13:07 <MaTTFuRY> i didnt even get any coin for my last 5 mined things
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