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  8 2012-11-07 00:13:55 <sipa> rdponticelli: well, the old code had some logic to disable outputting errors for mempool transactions, and ultraprune doesn't
  9 2012-11-07 00:14:06 <sipa> so the reporting of errors is understandable
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 11 2012-11-07 00:14:46 <sipa> also, a transaction being accepted again is interesting... i didn't expect that to be a problem, but maybe we need to keep a list of recently included transactions and shun those from the mempool
 12 2012-11-07 00:15:43 <rdponticelli> Yeah, maybe no a big problem
 13 2012-11-07 00:15:43 <rdponticelli> But reporting, just in case...
 14 2012-11-07 00:16:13 <rdponticelli> If it was orphaning legit transactions it won't be good
 15 2012-11-07 00:16:38 <rdponticelli> But it looks like it's just orphaning already accepted transactions
 16 2012-11-07 00:18:40 <sipa> that should probably be dealt with
 17 2012-11-07 00:18:57 <sipa> it's not an actual problem, but it limits the usefulness of the orphan pool for other transactions
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 72 2012-11-07 04:18:22 <amiller> mmmm it would be interesting if blocks had to be signed by same address that can spend them
 73 2012-11-07 04:18:36 <amiller> it's a bit like proof-of-stake but backwards
 74 2012-11-07 04:20:42 <amiller> let me back up and describe the problem i'm trying to solve right now though
 75 2012-11-07 04:22:27 <amiller> as bitcoin grows in scale, it becomes more credible that the mining participants reflect a diverse representative economy, that the price should be stable
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 77 2012-11-07 04:23:50 <amiller> basically the goal is to make it very difficult to coordinate a parallel double-spend effort in secret because the temptation to defect and leak out parts of it grows too quickly as well
 78 2012-11-07 04:25:36 <amiller> i was thinking earlier about how the proof-of-work hash makes it not only easy to outsource mining, but you can do it without any risk of the miner taking it from you
 79 2012-11-07 04:26:04 <amiller> er, not taking it from you but suppressing it
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 81 2012-11-07 04:28:25 <amiller> "if one cpu one vote" is at all meaningful, then it should be difficult to sell your vote
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 88 2012-11-07 04:40:38 <kjj_> I think the era of mercenary mining is drawing to an end
 89 2012-11-07 04:41:11 <amiller> really?
 90 2012-11-07 04:41:11 <amiller> i would think it's just starting
 91 2012-11-07 04:41:11 <amiller> there's a market for vanity mining
 92 2012-11-07 04:41:52 <kjj_> a GPU farm needs a ton of infrastructure.  ASICs don't seem to
 93 2012-11-07 04:42:36 <amiller> then competition will increase but you can still cram more asics into a cheap datacenter and lease it out to people
 94 2012-11-07 04:43:15 <kjj_> I'm saying that $5000 worth of GPUs won't work in your bedroom, but $5000 worth of ASICs will
 95 2012-11-07 04:43:21 <amiller> it's easy to let a datacenter manage your miner for you, but you wouldn't let them hold your wallet
 96 2012-11-07 04:43:38 <kjj_> so there will be less benefit to scale
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101 2012-11-07 04:46:41 <amiller> if parallelizing your mining were like doing a shared secret, then it would be very risky to let a service with a bunch of customers do your mining for you
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103 2012-11-07 04:47:40 <kjj_> how about we back up.  what problem are you trying to solve?  a mining service witholding valid blocks, but returning shares?
104 2012-11-07 04:48:35 <amiller> it's kind of the other way
105 2012-11-07 04:48:53 <amiller> that's not currently a problem, but i would like to make it a problem, because doing so would be a benefit to decentralization
106 2012-11-07 04:49:12 <kjj_> describe the problem again
107 2012-11-07 04:49:25 <amiller> there's little barrier to outsourcing your mining
108 2012-11-07 04:50:10 <kjj_> what's the problem part of that?
109 2012-11-07 04:50:20 <kjj_> how or why is outsourcing a problem?
110 2012-11-07 04:51:11 <amiller> well, given that there are economies of scale, if there's no barrier to outsourcing then there could easily be large data centers with aggregated mining power
111 2012-11-07 04:51:39 <amiller> it's safest if administration over the mining power is distributed as widely as possible
112 2012-11-07 04:53:23 <kjj_> ok, so you want to make it harder for outsource hashing power by making the miner sign the block before hashing?
113 2012-11-07 04:53:51 <amiller> after hashing
114 2012-11-07 04:56:00 <kjj_> then you haven't solved anything
115 2012-11-07 04:56:05 <amiller> actually they don't need to sign it, it's more like the spending key would be constructed while hashing it
116 2012-11-07 04:57:15 <kjj_> if the generate address is derived from the block, then you have to spend it right away, or everyone will have it when you push the block
117 2012-11-07 04:58:34 <amiller> it would not be derived from the block, but it would depend on the nonce
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119 2012-11-07 04:58:55 <amiller> it would be like select nonce, generate key, take hash of nonce+pubkeyhash+blockheader
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121 2012-11-07 04:59:14 <amiller> if after taking the hash, you are a winner, then great! that key can now be used to spend coinbase
122 2012-11-07 04:59:59 <kjj_> uh...  circular dependancy
123 2012-11-07 05:00:02 <amiller> but key generation is sandwiched inside the nonce-select, which is your fanout point, and your compare-and-broadcast, which is your fan in point
124 2012-11-07 05:00:23 <kjj_> the header depends on the transaction tree, and that tree depends on the generate transaction
125 2012-11-07 05:00:41 <amiller> this would just be for coinbase
126 2012-11-07 05:00:56 <amiller> you'd have to spend it in the next block
127 2012-11-07 05:00:56 <kjj_> so, you are talking about a huge, huge, huge change.  you'd better come up with a damn good reason for it.  :)
128 2012-11-07 05:01:28 <kjj_> you can't spend the generate transaction until 100 blocks have passed, and the generate transaction is the first transaction in the block (and thus included in the merkle tree)
129 2012-11-07 05:01:38 <amiller> sure
130 2012-11-07 05:01:55 <amiller> so instead of the key generation occurring before constructing coinbase
131 2012-11-07 05:02:01 <amiller> it would occur during mining
132 2012-11-07 05:02:04 <kjj_> and sure, it doesn't HAVE to be that way.  I'm just trying to make sure you understand the scale of what you are proposing
133 2012-11-07 05:02:31 <amiller> yeah
134 2012-11-07 05:03:36 <amiller> i'm sorry i should have put a [disclaimer] the following a theoretical discussion about proof-of-work puzzles and their impact on decentralization
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136 2012-11-07 05:03:58 <kjj_> ok, that's fine
137 2012-11-07 05:04:46 <kjj_> just so that everyone is clear that we are talking about not-bitcoin
138 2012-11-07 05:05:38 <amiller> we're looking out at different horizons i suppose :p
139 2012-11-07 05:06:22 <kjj_> to make that big of a change to bitcoin at this late date is, I suspect, totally impossible unless you are solving a problem that everyone already knows about
140 2012-11-07 05:07:16 <amiller> "late" is quite subjective
141 2012-11-07 05:07:17 <kjj_> something that you and a couple of other people think could be slightly bad isn't going to cut it
142 2012-11-07 05:08:47 <amiller> i'm not trying to persuade you it's something that to change, but i also don't want to say it's "not about bitcoin"
143 2012-11-07 05:09:00 <amiller> s/to/should
144 2012-11-07 05:09:45 * amiller really should remember that disclaimer
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146 2012-11-07 05:11:11 <kjj_> this will vastly reduce mining speed, by the way, and probably make botnets useful again
147 2012-11-07 05:12:49 <kjj_> er, hang on.  what stops people from making blocks with unspendable generations?
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149 2012-11-07 05:13:11 <amiller> self interest? same thing that stops them now?
150 2012-11-07 05:13:23 <kjj_> people attempting to do so would have the huge advantage of not needing to do the ECDSA multiplication for each nonce
151 2012-11-07 05:15:20 <kjj_> what stops them now is that it takes exactly as much effort either way.  if they have to derive a pubkey after incrementing the nonce, people doing it for real have to do several thousand times as much work
152 2012-11-07 05:15:49 <amiller> hm, that's a good point, it would make attack-blocks much cheaper than a correct block
153 2012-11-07 05:16:12 <amiller> you could do it with a single more hah
154 2012-11-07 05:16:13 <amiller> hash
155 2012-11-07 05:16:40 <kjj_> and I could see an ugly arms race start, where people try to orphan blocks from other people while their mining farms keep working
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158 2012-11-07 05:17:00 <amiller> yeah you're right that has to be a condition that it's not substantially more expensive to do it the normal way
159 2012-11-07 05:17:14 <amiller> maybe there's a way to commit to some randomness and reveal the key later
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161 2012-11-07 05:17:39 <kjj_> that's going to be hard to do.  unless you have a strict schedule for "later", that could be "never".
162 2012-11-07 05:17:48 <amiller> only if you win the block
163 2012-11-07 05:18:21 <kjj_> and if you do have a strict schedule, everyone would learn about orphans when they are already somewhat deep
164 2012-11-07 05:20:45 <kjj_> LOL.  guy on TV trying to explain that the electoral college's job is to magnify decisions.
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166 2012-11-07 05:25:01 <amiller> hm, okay i think this could be done using a lamport signature
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171 2012-11-07 05:40:43 <amiller> whoa hot damn, it's not so much the lamport signature that would kick ass for this, but the guy fawkes signatures
172 2012-11-07 05:42:17 <maaku> kjj_: magnify decisions… like how romney is currently winning the popular vote?
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174 2012-11-07 05:44:09 <amiller> 1) S <- random(), nonce <- random      2) commitment <- H(random | pubkey)     3) pow <- H(nonce | commitment | header)
175 2012-11-07 05:44:28 <amiller> now after 100 blocks go by like normal, in order to spend the coinbase you would need to reveal S
176 2012-11-07 05:44:59 <amiller> and the signature must match the pubkey in the original commitment
177 2012-11-07 05:46:27 <amiller> this would mean you would need to commit to a secret, publish the block committing to that secret ... hm
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180 2012-11-07 05:48:44 <amiller> okay slight modification
181 2012-11-07 05:49:12 <kjj_> maaku: heh, yeah, I was thinking that it was multiplying by a negative
182 2012-11-07 05:49:13 <amiller> 1) S <- random(), nonce <- random()      2) commitment <- H(S ^ pubkey)       3) pow <- H(nonce | commitment | header)
183 2012-11-07 05:49:52 <amiller> if you know S, then the pubkey is malleble
184 2012-11-07 05:54:39 <amiller> you could make an attack-block (unspendable coinbase) by performing one fewer hash, by publishing a garbage commitment
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186 2012-11-07 06:04:47 <amiller> basically the point is to prove you can keep a secret for 100 blocks, while also proving that the secret was 'hot' during mining
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204 2012-11-07 06:59:58 <amiller> 1) [block B0] nonce <- random(); S <- random(); commit <- H(nonce | S); pow <- H(nonce | commit | header);        2)  [next block]  publish H(pubkey|S)    3) [100 blocks later] reveal S
205 2012-11-07 07:00:04 <amiller> so there are three phases
206 2012-11-07 07:01:25 <amiller> only the first phase involves mining, the other two are for proving you can keep a secret and daring members of your party to defect
207 2012-11-07 07:02:51 <amiller> the first phase involves computing a hash over both the secret and the nonce, so if you parallelize it the secret must be 'hot' everywhere
208 2012-11-07 07:03:56 <amiller> afterwards, the secret can be used to make a commitment, which is finally revealed after some delay
209 2012-11-07 07:05:02 <amiller> after the secret is revealed, any commitment made before the delay is considered valid
210 2012-11-07 07:06:52 <amiller> if there is more than one adequate commitment, then only the first to be spent afterwards wins
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212 2012-11-07 07:08:14 <amiller> so it's either a) spendable, in which case there are necessarily two hashes per attempt, and anyone knowing the secret has ample time to steal the reward b) an attack-block attempt, in which case the commit can be garbage and there's a 50% speedup
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218 2012-11-07 07:42:44 <forsetifox> Any developers up? Just opened up my bitcoin client to sync and I'm getting a lot of :ERROR: FetchInputs() : aa85e510a0 mempool Tx prev not found e9e1bff128".
219 2012-11-07 07:45:36 <lianj> thats normal, wait until you are in sync again
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223 2012-11-07 07:46:52 <forsetifox> There it goes. Don't usually go past 15 connections I'm at 18 now.
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225 2012-11-07 07:47:55 <forsetifox> Weird. It looks like it's being reported for 0.7.1 and I'm using 0.7.0.
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324 2012-11-07 12:00:50 <alalo> Hi! I can't understand, when we are mining, we are changing only nonce value which is 4 bytes?
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327 2012-11-07 12:04:47 <_dr> and if it overflows the extra nonce
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338 2012-11-07 13:00:27 <alalo> Hi there again! _dr you said that it overflows to extra nonce, but I can't find what's that extra nonce and where is it in header. And what's it size?
339 2012-11-07 13:01:08 <kjj_> it isn't in the header, it is in the coinbase of the generate transaction
340 2012-11-07 13:01:36 <kjj_> since it is in a transaction, changing it changes the merkle root, which changes the header
341 2012-11-07 13:01:57 <alalo> kjj_: coinbase leads me to https://coinbase.com/ that is some kind of software...
342 2012-11-07 13:02:21 <kjj_> coinbase is just the arbitrary data in the generate transaction
343 2012-11-07 13:02:47 <kjj_> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/File:TxBinaryMap.png
344 2012-11-07 13:05:21 <alalo> kjj_: But how can we generate transactions? Isn't it when someone is sending money to someone?
345 2012-11-07 13:05:35 <kjj_> no, those are normal spend transactions
346 2012-11-07 13:06:14 <kjj_> the generate transaction is the first transaction in the block, it creates the subsidy out of nothing, and has one or more outputs that add up to (subsidy + fees)
347 2012-11-07 13:07:04 <_dr> maybe i'd better ask here: can i sighup bitcoin-qt (to make it reread bitcoin.conf)?
348 2012-11-07 13:07:04 <alalo> so, generally, we are brute forcing such a transaction that will give us money?
349 2012-11-07 13:07:49 <kjj_> _dr: no, the conf is done early in the startup process
350 2012-11-07 13:08:09 <kjj_> alalo: well, not really, no.
351 2012-11-07 13:08:50 <kjj_> if you add a new transaction to your block candidate, you'll want to update the generate transaction to account for any additional fees that the block could potentially collect
352 2012-11-07 13:09:13 <_dr> kjj_: ok. i'm currently running headless... can i shut down bitcoin-qt gracefully with sigterm?
353 2012-11-07 13:09:44 <_dr> i'll switch to bitcoind, however, when i set up bitcoin(-qt) the machine still had a monitor so i just left it running :)
354 2012-11-07 13:09:45 <kjj_> and if you are handing out work at a high rate, you'll need to put a variable integer (commonly known as extraNonce) in there so you can tell them apart
355 2012-11-07 13:09:53 <kjj_> _dr: yes
356 2012-11-07 13:09:57 <_dr> kjj_: okay, thanks
357 2012-11-07 13:10:26 <kjj_> or, if you RPC available, you can use the stop rpc command to tell it to shut down, but SIGTERM works too
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359 2012-11-07 13:12:45 <_dr> it says it cannot connect to the server, i assume a vanilla bitcoin-qt wouldn't start the server
360 2012-11-07 13:13:25 <kjj_> yeah, I think you need to specify server=1 to get that to go
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362 2012-11-07 13:14:05 <_dr> thanks for the help, seems like pkill -TERM worked, i'll switch to bitcoind i guess
363 2012-11-07 13:14:53 <alalo> kjj_: Does the mining process depend on general transactions in system?
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365 2012-11-07 13:15:06 <kjj_> I'm not sure what you mean
366 2012-11-07 13:15:42 <alalo> For example, you are mining with current block, and then A sends to B money and now current block is a little bit different, so you have to mine with a new block?
367 2012-11-07 13:15:44 <kjj_> there is a clear division of labor, so far, where one thing creates the block candidate, then passes it to a mining system to check all of the possible nonce vales hoping to get lucky
368 2012-11-07 13:15:54 <kjj_> ahh
369 2012-11-07 13:16:17 <kjj_> you don't HAVE to update your work when a new transaction is seen on the network, no
370 2012-11-07 13:16:42 <kjj_> but generally, you'll want to, at least when the new transaction has a fee that you can try to collect
371 2012-11-07 13:17:21 <kjj_> basically, each node has a list of transactions in memory.  when new transactions come in over the network, they are added to the memory pool
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373 2012-11-07 13:17:57 <kjj_> now and then, the node will recheck that list and rebuild the list of transactions that it is trying to include in the next block based on whatever your local criteria are
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375 2012-11-07 13:18:54 <kjj_> but no one forces any particular set of transactions to be in the block, so work that you've already handed out for hashing is still valid
376 2012-11-07 13:19:10 <alalo> kjj_: and what these fees are for? Why would I overpay for transfering money?
377 2012-11-07 13:19:26 <alalo> Why would I pay to miners*
378 2012-11-07 13:20:04 <kjj_> the miners still need to verify your transaction before adding it to their work, which isn't free.
379 2012-11-07 13:21:00 <kjj_> and most miners give higher priority to higher fee transactions, so including a fee, even when not strictly needed for the network, will make it more likely for your transaction to be included quickly
380 2012-11-07 13:22:01 <alalo> kjj_: And what will happen if I send to A 50 BTC without fee? It will probably not be verified?
381 2012-11-07 13:22:38 <kjj_> the way most nodes work, including the standard satoshi client, they care about the size and complexity of the transaction, not the amount
382 2012-11-07 13:23:09 <kjj_> so, if that 50 BTC is a single txout redemption that is old, it will still go in pretty quickly
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384 2012-11-07 13:23:41 <kjj_> but if it is a huge transaction gathering dozens of previous txouts that aren't very old, most people won't touch it for a long time
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386 2012-11-07 13:25:07 <kjj_> we are moving towards a free floating transaction fee market, but we aren't there yet.  right now, most of what the fee system is used for in practice is actually anti-DOS measures, keeping people from spamming tiny transactions over and over again
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534 2012-11-07 16:42:08 <MC-Eeepc>  Received a CTCP PING 302366701 from [MOFO] (to #bitcoin-dev)
535 2012-11-07 16:42:08 <MC-Eeepc>  You are being CTCP flooded from [MOFO], ignoring *!*@modemcable196.157-19-135.mc.videotron.ca
536 2012-11-07 16:42:15 <MC-Eeepc> ban plox
537 2012-11-07 16:42:55 <MC-Eeepc> thx
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543 2012-11-07 16:50:12 <helo> if a wallet is encrypted but online, any transactions that it sees to its addresses will be appended to it, right?
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549 2012-11-07 16:54:11 <helo> is there any way to get the an offline machine to send using unconfirmed inputs without createrawtransaction?
550 2012-11-07 16:54:19 <helo> gmaxwell: help!
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553 2012-11-07 16:55:09 <kinlo> gmaxwell: still here?
554 2012-11-07 16:55:32 <MC-Eeepc> hell is this guy doing
555 2012-11-07 16:55:56 <kinlo> or jeff :)
556 2012-11-07 16:55:57 <kinlo> that works too
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563 2012-11-07 17:08:21 <kinlo> jgarzik: ?
564 2012-11-07 17:08:53 <sipa> helo: if a wallet is encrypted but online, any transactions that it sees to its addresses will be appended to it, right?   <-  yes
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568 2012-11-07 17:10:36 <helo> sipa: lol thanks for answering through the maelstrom
569 2012-11-07 17:11:40 <helo> ok... time to set channel mode +r and ban his nick?
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576 2012-11-07 17:15:28 <jgarzik> helo: how to do?
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579 2012-11-07 17:16:16 <kinlo> jgarzik: I'd recommend +C instead of +r, that will block ctcp's to the channel
580 2012-11-07 17:16:24 <kinlo> +r requires everybody to register in order to join
581 2012-11-07 17:16:44 <jgarzik> kinlo: so...   "/mode +C" while in #bitcoin-dev?
582 2012-11-07 17:16:46 <kinlo> type /mode #bitcoin-dev +C
583 2012-11-07 17:16:52 <jgarzik> this spamming has got to stop
584 2012-11-07 17:17:38 <kinlo> thanks :)
585 2012-11-07 17:17:45 <jgarzik> I wouldn't mind +r
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587 2012-11-07 17:18:02 <jgarzik> but would need some consensus from other channel denizens and devs
588 2012-11-07 17:18:06 <kinlo> probably
589 2012-11-07 17:18:13 <kinlo> but +C will help for now I guess
590 2012-11-07 17:18:38 <jgarzik> jbroome: let me know if you need scrollback, or pointer to the ban list entries in question
591 2012-11-07 17:19:36 <jbroome> Wow, all of silenceisdefeat.com?  Harsh. :)
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593 2012-11-07 17:24:53 <amiller> anyone who's interested in hash based authentication/signatures may be interested to read this paper about the "guy fawkes" protocol http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/Papers/fawkes.pdf
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596 2012-11-07 17:30:54 <jgarzik> jbroome: You have to really be a jerk to get banned too...  But we have so much trouble with people switching nicks and hosts and such that the bans are typically pretty broad, like *!*@a.b.c.*
597 2012-11-07 17:31:43 <jbroome> understood
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608 2012-11-07 17:51:37 * gavinandresen wonders why academic papers never have publication dates somewhere on their title pages....
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611 2012-11-07 17:54:43 <jbroome> Guest85110: i thought they usually did.  odd.
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618 2012-11-07 18:03:47 <phantomcircuit> gavinandresen, because their research is timeless of course!
619 2012-11-07 18:03:48 <phantomcircuit> ;)
620 2012-11-07 18:04:27 <sipa> gavinandresen: well the publication date is when it is published... what you get to see is often the publication submission only
621 2012-11-07 18:04:41 <sipa> still, why?
622 2012-11-07 18:05:53 <helo> ad cronos
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654 2012-11-07 19:43:33 <maaku> gavinandresen: they do have publication dates if you actually retrieve them from the journal ;)
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656 2012-11-07 19:44:09 <gavinandresen> maaku: in this age of Google, when do you ever do that?  And actually, I really want 'last revision' date.
657 2012-11-07 19:44:27 <gavinandresen> (does the PDF file contain that metadata?  Maybe what I really want is my pdf viewer to show it to me....)
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659 2012-11-07 19:51:09 <maaku> they don't have the pub date because they don't know what issue it will be in until it is actually accepted; there is a CreationDate meta field however
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661 2012-11-07 20:00:47 <BlueMatt> anyone know of a block that spends a tx created in that block?
662 2012-11-07 20:01:13 * BlueMatt is lazy and doesnt wanna have to create blocks for test cases...
663 2012-11-07 20:02:19 <sipa> BlueMatt: random 1Vaynert output?
664 2012-11-07 20:02:38 <BlueMatt> ahh, yea maybe
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666 2012-11-07 20:09:14 <lianj> BlueMatt: 57e566535496e903cddcd00526774d785ef15760c2d935fb7ef5367bc39b7506 spends e0ef1bc2b4a10eec1f06574d4a7fcb5e4b2b1bcf65c67e63c64d60db596b73ad in the same block
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670 2012-11-07 20:11:57 <lianj> BlueMatt: b592f4b12e5e4366c01a9159420af887d0cdbc87cdc6613b757c18ebcdd1fd52 spends 185e5fdfc9cbacfc5178c4362ca7cea9c2c905b3838316b476ac0cc644825a7e in the same block
671 2012-11-07 20:12:03 <lianj> and so on… :D
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679 2012-11-07 20:16:31 <sipa> BlueMatt: any idea when #1980 would get pulltested?
680 2012-11-07 20:17:41 <BlueMatt> lianj: nice, thanks
681 2012-11-07 20:22:10 <BlueMatt> sipa: its on #1986 now, so Id think soon(ish)
682 2012-11-07 20:22:17 <sipa> ok
683 2012-11-07 20:22:43 <BlueMatt> (assuming it was updated/created before the current test run started)
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690 2012-11-07 20:32:22 <BlueMatt> lianj: is there a page you got those from (that shows one in a smaller block?) otherwise Ill just use that...
691 2012-11-07 20:33:31 <lianj> no, got them from a db
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693 2012-11-07 20:33:43 <BlueMatt> mmm
694 2012-11-07 20:34:07 <lianj> i guess ever of the 'last' blocks are quite big though
695 2012-11-07 20:34:12 <lianj> *every
696 2012-11-07 20:34:19 <BlueMatt> yea
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722 2012-11-07 21:40:15 <sipa> BlueMatt: i wonder, did you ever consider creating a realnet test chain for pulltester?
723 2012-11-07 21:40:51 <sipa> with a day of 1GH/s, you could create a chain with several thousand blocks, some difficulty changes, some forks/reorgs, ...
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725 2012-11-07 21:42:20 <gmaxwell> 'several thousand' is inhibited by the checkpoints. But I'm sure people would happily provide hash power to do whatever you like.
726 2012-11-07 21:42:56 <sipa> the first checkpoint is at 11111
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728 2012-11-07 21:43:35 <gmaxwell> huh! for some reason I was thinking it was at 5000.
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730 2012-11-07 21:47:06 <sipa> ;;bc,blocks
731 2012-11-07 21:47:12 <gribble> timed out
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774 2012-11-07 23:14:53 <BlueMatt> sipa: yep, eventually the pulltester chain will be a full (mainnet, not testnet) chain, I a) havent had the time b) am not going to bother till it gets more blocks
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