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 37 2012-11-10 02:07:22 <jgarzik> heh
 38 2012-11-10 02:07:39 * jgarzik saw someone, here in Raleigh, NC, with a license plate "BITCOIN"
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 40 2012-11-10 02:07:59 <jgarzik> Right in front of my car, at a stoplight.  I considered honking my horn and saying hi
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 43 2012-11-10 02:12:28 <D34TH> jgarzik, you should have asked for his addr
 44 2012-11-10 02:12:29 <D34TH> :D
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 47 2012-11-10 02:24:15 <Luke-Jr> o.O
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 50 2012-11-10 02:37:12 <rdponticelli> He should have his address on the license plate itself...
 51 2012-11-10 02:37:44 <rdponticelli> But that woldn't be really practic, anyway
 52 2012-11-10 02:38:05 <D34TH> bumper sticker
 53 2012-11-10 02:39:00 <rdponticelli> A qr code could do the trick :)
 54 2012-11-10 02:39:17 <weex> firstbits bad form?
 55 2012-11-10 02:40:25 <weex> not many license plates start with 1 or 3 anymore
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 62 2012-11-10 03:22:12 <jgarzik> that'd be a trick
 63 2012-11-10 03:22:33 <jgarzik> compress a bitcoin address down to the 8 characters (numbers, letters, plus a scant few punctuation symbols) permitted
 64 2012-11-10 03:23:15 <jgarzik> As you can see from my own license plate, NC permits slashes: http://yyz.us/box.html
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 70 2012-11-10 03:41:29 <Luke-Jr> lol
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 72 2012-11-10 03:45:50 <weex> what's the shortest bitcoin address generated so far?
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 78 2012-11-10 04:04:23 <maaku> weex?
 79 2012-11-10 04:04:35 <maaku> addresses are all the same length
 80 2012-11-10 04:04:58 <maaku> and serialization length only differs by char at most
 81 2012-11-10 04:06:23 <Luke-Jr> …
 82 2012-11-10 04:06:28 <Luke-Jr> maaku: addresses *are* serialization
 83 2012-11-10 04:07:39 <Luke-Jr> 27-34 characters long (in theory)
 84 2012-11-10 04:08:07 <jgarzik> yeah, addresses cannot get that small, but maybe it could be something like a public key fingerprint
 85 2012-11-10 04:13:13 <Luke-Jr> jgarzik: well, that's what addresses are ;)
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 89 2012-11-10 04:13:39 <weex> so many zeros the beginning of the pubkey -> shorter address?
 90 2012-11-10 04:13:50 <Luke-Jr> jgarzik: base58(checksum) is 5-6 chars
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 93 2012-11-10 04:13:57 <Luke-Jr> weex: yes
 94 2012-11-10 04:14:11 <jgarzik> you don't need the checksum or the version, for one
 95 2012-11-10 04:14:21 <Luke-Jr> jgarzik: rather, ONLY the checksum… :p
 96 2012-11-10 04:14:56 <weex> just get some stickers and extend the licence plate motif across the back of the vehicl
 97 2012-11-10 04:15:01 <Luke-Jr> lol
 98 2012-11-10 04:16:29 <weex> doesn't the form to get an vanity plate ask for an explanation? do the allow one to attach pages?
 99 2012-11-10 04:20:48 <Luke-Jr> LOL
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105 2012-11-10 04:48:47 <Guest73974> Yippie, build fixed!
106 2012-11-10 04:48:47 <Guest73974> Project Bitcoin build #135: FIXED in 5 hr 1 min: http://jenkins.bluematt.me/job/Bitcoin/135/
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123 2012-11-10 06:50:25 <JDuke128> hello , there is very HIGH vulnerability on bitcoin site.Someone is doing MITM attack and replace client download here! why bitcoin.org is not https exe download ?!?!
124 2012-11-10 06:50:32 <JDuke128> even exe is not signed
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127 2012-11-10 06:52:17 <maaku> JDuke128: you have evidence of MITM attack in progress?
128 2012-11-10 06:52:39 <JDuke128> on local network
129 2012-11-10 06:52:57 <JDuke128> inside our company
130 2012-11-10 06:53:00 <JDuke128> someone doing
131 2012-11-10 06:54:45 <maaku> well that's still serious, and strange
132 2012-11-10 06:54:52 <maaku> the executable is signed
133 2012-11-10 06:54:59 <maaku> except for the mac binary
134 2012-11-10 06:55:45 <maaku> https://github.com/bitcoin/gitian.sigs
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137 2012-11-10 06:59:21 <ThomasV_> bitcoin.org links here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/bitcoin-0.7.1/bitcoin-0.7.1-win32-setup.exe/download
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145 2012-11-10 07:18:03 <JDuke128> its not good
146 2012-11-10 07:18:13 <JDuke128> it should be at least more secure
147 2012-11-10 07:18:23 <JDuke128> most people doesn't use sha checks
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154 2012-11-10 07:50:10 <da2ce7> anyone here have exprence with the OpenSSL function:   ERR_remove_thread_state(NULL);  for cleaning up on exit?  I'm getting a seg fault when I call it on MAC OS... it works fine on windows and linux.
155 2012-11-10 07:50:59 <Diablo-D3> osx is known to have an insane ssl lib
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229 2012-11-10 12:24:51 <abrkn> when trading currencies, how is rounding performed on bids?
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242 2012-11-10 13:39:47 <sipa> BlueMatt: bloom filter tests fixed :)
243 2012-11-10 13:40:05 <sipa> BlueMatt: see https://github.com/sipa/bitcoin/commits/newbloom
244 2012-11-10 13:42:43 <sipa> BlueMatt: also, you know you can use == on vectors directly, comparing both size and contents?
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247 2012-11-10 13:49:10 <sipa> BlueMatt: i also made a small change to partialmerkle: ExtractMatches clear()s vMatches at the start
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253 2012-11-10 14:08:16 <sipa> ;;bc,blocks
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262 2012-11-10 14:21:06 <sipa> BlueMatt: bit_mask[x] can be written as (1 << x)
263 2012-11-10 14:21:19 <someone42> sipa: can you clarify, in https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BIP_0032, is "I = HMAC-SHA512(key = c_par, data = K_par || n)" calculated using compressed or uncompressed public keys?
264 2012-11-10 14:21:45 <sipa> someone42: whatever the wallet is using
265 2012-11-10 14:22:03 <sipa> someone42: i believe there is some mentioning that the entire wallet is either compressed or uncompressed
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267 2012-11-10 14:22:16 <someone42> okay, thanks
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302 2012-11-10 15:58:36 <etotheipi_> sipa, Luke-Jr : just to make sure I got it right,  EITHER:  (1) User will have .bitcoin/blk0001.dat+,  or (2) they will have .bitcoin/blocks/blk00000.dat+
303 2012-11-10 15:58:56 <etotheipi_> check for (2) first, then (1)
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306 2012-11-10 16:01:37 <sipa> etotheipi_: they may have both
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308 2012-11-10 16:02:49 <etotheipi_> sipa: that's fine, but if (2) exists, I should use that ,right?
309 2012-11-10 16:03:15 <etotheipi_> I'm just clarifying the logic for detecting and latching onto the files that will actually be updated by Bitcoin-Qt
310 2012-11-10 16:03:17 <sipa> unless they downgraded after having tried 0.8+
311 2012-11-10 16:03:27 <etotheipi_> gah
312 2012-11-10 16:03:30 <sipa> in which case the new files may be outdated
313 2012-11-10 16:03:42 <etotheipi_> ehh, I'm in python
314 2012-11-10 16:03:49 <etotheipi_> it's trivial to check last modificaiton time
315 2012-11-10 16:05:00 <x18882> probably a stupid question here:
316 2012-11-10 16:05:06 <x18882> if i run bitcoind.exe -maxconnections=0 -daemon
317 2012-11-10 16:05:37 <x18882> it won't download the blockchain obviously, but does that still help the network in anyway?
318 2012-11-10 16:05:51 <x18882> like does it forward transactions?
319 2012-11-10 16:06:07 <sipa> if you don't have any connections, there is no network to speak of
320 2012-11-10 16:06:43 <x18882> ok, is there a way for bitcoind to relay transactions but without having a copy of the blockchain?
321 2012-11-10 16:06:50 <sipa> no
322 2012-11-10 16:06:56 <sipa> there's no point in that
323 2012-11-10 16:07:31 <sipa> the internet is perfectly capable of sending transactions across the globe
324 2012-11-10 16:08:10 <x18882> sure
325 2012-11-10 16:11:21 <x18882> ok perhaps I should clarify why I'm asking this
326 2012-11-10 16:12:05 <etotheipi_> sipa: so can you confirm that logic sounds good?  find max blkfile in each of those two dirs, and use the chain whose top blk file has the latest modification time?
327 2012-11-10 16:12:17 <sipa> etotheipi_: sounds good to me
328 2012-11-10 16:12:41 <D34TH> hmm, is it possible to fork the chain with -maxconnections=0
329 2012-11-10 16:12:56 <etotheipi_> okay, and then another clarification (kind of related to x18882's question)
330 2012-11-10 16:13:14 <etotheipi_> I seem to remember there was a problem with my request, but I don't remember what it was
331 2012-11-10 16:13:24 <sipa> hmm, -maxconnections=0 probably doesn't prevent listening
332 2012-11-10 16:13:37 <etotheipi_> I was asking if Bitcoin-Qt could guarantee that localhost gets one of its connections
333 2012-11-10 16:14:06 <etotheipi_> I've had quite a few Armory users complaining that Bitcoin-Qt is devoting all its connections to other nodes, and then disconnecting localhost (Armory)
334 2012-11-10 16:14:54 <sipa> maybe some whitelisting is useful
335 2012-11-10 16:15:23 <etotheipi_> someone told me it couldn't/shouldn't be done, but I don't remember why
336 2012-11-10 16:15:31 <etotheipi_> I wanted to figure out if there was a way around it
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340 2012-11-10 16:18:51 <D34TH> needs moar bitscript
341 2012-11-10 16:19:03 <D34TH> letting bitcoin execute userscripts in its own language style
342 2012-11-10 16:19:21 <D34TH> pythonesqe would be simple and easy to understand for nubcaek
343 2012-11-10 16:19:47 <sipa> please... no python interpreter in bitcoin
344 2012-11-10 16:19:49 <gmaxwell> D34TH: a node that is isolated won't mine.
345 2012-11-10 16:20:19 <D34TH> sipa: not python interpreter in bitcoin, a scripting language of its own but with syntax somewhat like python
346 2012-11-10 16:20:28 <sipa> even worse!
347 2012-11-10 16:20:31 <D34TH> lol
348 2012-11-10 16:21:04 <sipa> maybe one day, but not before chain validation and wallets run in separate processes
349 2012-11-10 16:21:42 <D34TH> OnWalletTX(txid,amt) { textfile.write("$txid :: $amt"); }
350 2012-11-10 16:21:44 <D34TH> :3
351 2012-11-10 16:21:49 <D34TH> php style?
352 2012-11-10 16:22:30 <D34TH> time to make a amazon builder
353 2012-11-10 16:22:45 <D34TH> better idea, openshift
354 2012-11-10 16:22:48 <D34TH> they support jenkins
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365 2012-11-10 17:04:45 <etotheipi_> gmaxwell: were you the one that told me it wasn't possible/desired to whitelist localhost for the purposes of making sure local processes (like Armory) aren't disconnected?
366 2012-11-10 17:05:19 <gmaxwell> etotheipi_: it's not disconnected... but the node could run out of connections, and IIRC it doesn't reserve a slot for it.
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368 2012-11-10 17:05:32 <etotheipi_> gmaxwell: sure
369 2012-11-10 17:05:54 <etotheipi_> but you know what I'm getting at... perhaps allow localhost to exceed max-connections
370 2012-11-10 17:06:35 <etotheipi_> I think I've seen Armory lose connection briefly, and then unable to re-establish connection
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372 2012-11-10 17:10:05 <sipa> perhaps it can be combined with this: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1998 ?
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374 2012-11-10 17:10:08 <sipa> ^ etotheipi_
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376 2012-11-10 17:11:28 <gmaxwell> sipa: we really need some way of distinguishing onion peers...
377 2012-11-10 17:11:34 <sipa> agree
378 2012-11-10 17:11:45 <sipa> whitelisting shouldn't be default
379 2012-11-10 17:12:22 <etotheipi_> sipa: there is *occasionally* a problem with transactions being broadcast from Armory, not making to the network, then Bitcoin-Qt refusing to forward them again
380 2012-11-10 17:12:47 <sipa> etotheipi_: yes, i would expect armory to suffer from the problem described in #1998 as well
381 2012-11-10 17:12:49 <etotheipi_> oohh... so same thing:  for that case, I'd also like for Bitcoin-Qt to *always* forward transactions from localhost
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384 2012-11-10 17:13:25 <Guest15408> i'm getting his error when using the console on 0.7.1 on windows7
385 2012-11-10 17:13:26 <etotheipi_> and now gmaxwell mentioned what the issue was:  Tor connections all look like localhost
386 2012-11-10 17:13:26 <Guest15408> Safe mode: Warning: Displayed transactions may not be correct! You may need to upgrade, or other nodes may need to upgrade. (code -2) [11:28:27 AM] ITL Global Consulting: (response)
387 2012-11-10 17:13:49 <Guest15408> ;;ident
388 2012-11-10 17:13:49 <gribble> You are not identified.
389 2012-11-10 17:15:10 <gmaxwell> Perhpas we should listen on a second port, localhost only.. for trusted peers?
390 2012-11-10 17:15:22 <rg> i need to sell some btc
391 2012-11-10 17:15:27 <rg> i need coffee
392 2012-11-10 17:15:30 <sipa> rg: #bitcoin-otc
393 2012-11-10 17:15:31 <rg> both room mates already went
394 2012-11-10 17:15:35 <rg> oh shit
395 2012-11-10 17:15:39 <sipa> gmaxwell: your suggestion to use the wallet bestchain as override for sigchecking during -reindex isn't trivial
396 2012-11-10 17:15:40 <rg> i thought i was talking in there
397 2012-11-10 17:15:40 <rg> :P
398 2012-11-10 17:16:10 <sipa> gmaxwell: as during -reindex, the block tree database doesn't exist/is wiped, so there is no telling which blocks are ancestors of the wallet bestblock
399 2012-11-10 17:16:16 <gmaxwell> etotheipi_: for the relay in your case you could just rpc connect and sendrawtransaction.
400 2012-11-10 17:16:30 <gmaxwell> sipa: ugh.
401 2012-11-10 17:16:50 <etotheipi_> gmaxwell: I've never used the RPC interface... how difficult do you think that would be?
402 2012-11-10 17:16:56 <etotheipi_> I know it's supposed to be easy...
403 2012-11-10 17:17:06 <etotheipi_> but I have no networking code for it (yet)
404 2012-11-10 17:17:56 <etotheipi_> wait, if tor nodes look like localhost, couldn't tor peers also access the RPC interface?
405 2012-11-10 17:18:17 <Guest15408> does anyone know the meaning of Safe mode: Warning: Displayed transactions may not be correct! You may need to upgrade, or other nodes may need to upgrade. (code -2)
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409 2012-11-10 17:24:43 <aurigae1> hi guys, anybody here who can help on eloipool not inserting shares correctly to the database?
410 2012-11-10 17:24:43 <aurigae1> eloipool inserting null data in upstream_result and reason column and if i make it not null then it throws an error
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413 2012-11-10 17:26:36 <sipa> etotheipi_: if you're stupid enough to create a hidden service that connects to your rpc port, sure
414 2012-11-10 17:26:57 <sipa> Guest73974: it probably means your block chaIn database is corrupted
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416 2012-11-10 17:27:38 <etotheipi_> sipa: I'm not familiar with tor at all, or the way the networking works
417 2012-11-10 17:27:45 <sipa> Guest84252: you're the one who submitted that locking overhaul patch?
418 2012-11-10 17:27:46 <etotheipi_> so I would definitely be one of those stupid people
419 2012-11-10 17:28:19 <sipa> etotheipi_: you configure your tor daemon to expose a particular port under a particular hidden service address
420 2012-11-10 17:28:31 <etotheipi_> sipa: oh
421 2012-11-10 17:28:49 <etotheipi_> so couldn't you have a localhost port open just for... this
422 2012-11-10 17:29:17 <sipa> that's what gmaxwell proposed: listening on another (non-standard) port in whitelisted mode
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426 2012-11-10 17:30:11 <gmaxwell> I expect p2pool could use this too... plus random monitoring stuff (like the old blkmon).
427 2012-11-10 17:31:44 <sipa> gmaxwell: ack on #1992 ?
428 2012-11-10 17:33:11 <aurigae1> thx for help :-*
429 2012-11-10 17:33:18 <D34TH> gmaxwell im planning on adopting pynode-mini to blkmon
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431 2012-11-10 17:33:36 <sipa> aurigae1: poke Luke-Jr
432 2012-11-10 17:33:37 <D34TH> they sim similar as is
433 2012-11-10 17:33:41 <gmaxwell> D34TH: blkmon shouldn't exist anymore really.
434 2012-11-10 17:33:46 <aurigae1> hes offline
435 2012-11-10 17:33:58 <aurigae1> no idea when he gets back
436 2012-11-10 17:34:20 <sipa> aurigae1: well, you can't expect a 24/7 support line for some open-source code
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438 2012-11-10 17:34:51 <D34TH> gmaxwell i want to get multipeer working on pynode
439 2012-11-10 17:35:01 <D34TH> its been my goal since the beginning
440 2012-11-10 17:35:07 <D34TH> once i get that
441 2012-11-10 17:35:24 <D34TH> it already notifys on valid block and tx msgs
442 2012-11-10 17:35:29 <D34TH> **notifies
443 2012-11-10 17:37:53 <D34TH> i wonder if anyone would mind if i remade blkmond
444 2012-11-10 17:38:06 <D34TH> so it wouldnt require a local bitcoin and also functioned cleaner
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446 2012-11-10 17:38:15 <gmaxwell> D34TH: but _why_?
447 2012-11-10 17:38:25 <D34TH> gmaxwell, why not
448 2012-11-10 17:38:27 <D34TH> im bored
449 2012-11-10 17:38:35 <D34TH> it wouldnt hurt anyone
450 2012-11-10 17:38:55 <gmaxwell> hah. okay.
451 2012-11-10 17:40:05 <D34TH> time to make it way over powered
452 2012-11-10 17:41:01 <aurigae1> thx sipa: surely i dont expect any support but i think i will contribute to the eloipool proect once i get this to work, im really not a leecher it just takes a ton of time to bug arround with these little errors
453 2012-11-10 17:41:42 <aurigae1> however, thin ki got it to work now
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455 2012-11-10 17:48:58 <Diapolo> sipa: I'm doing an init block sync with Qt and reindex patch merged. I'm now reading "Reindexing blocks on disk..." in the statusbar ... does this sound right?
456 2012-11-10 17:49:14 <sipa> Diapolo: no!
457 2012-11-10 17:49:41 <sipa> is fReindex true?
458 2012-11-10 17:50:04 <Diapolo> it seems yes as that's the only way I can see that messagt
459 2012-11-10 17:50:15 <Diapolo> 11/10/12 17:36:46 ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED
460 2012-11-10 17:50:15 <Diapolo> 11/10/12 17:36:46 received: block (43865 bytes)
461 2012-11-10 17:50:15 <Diapolo> 11/10/12 17:36:46 received block 0000000000000436f0bb
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464 2012-11-10 17:54:02 <sipa> Diapolo: you never accidentally used -reindex ?
465 2012-11-10 17:55:18 <Diapolo> right
466 2012-11-10 17:55:35 <sipa> yes or no?
467 2012-11-10 17:55:42 <Diapolo> nerver ever used that switch
468 2012-11-10 17:55:45 <Diapolo> -r
469 2012-11-10 17:55:46 <sipa> ok
470 2012-11-10 17:56:13 <Diapolo> I verified it's not set to true via fReindex = GetBoolArg("-reindex");.
471 2012-11-10 17:56:26 <D34TH> in what file is bitcoin's address version and magic number found?
472 2012-11-10 17:57:29 <sipa> base58
473 2012-11-10 17:58:07 <sipa> Diapolo: got it
474 2012-11-10 17:58:15 <D34TH> sipa: thanks
475 2012-11-10 17:58:21 <sipa> Diapolo: my switch case in bitcoingui.cpp doesn't have break in between the cases
476 2012-11-10 17:58:47 <Diapolo> and no default either :)
477 2012-11-10 17:58:57 <sipa> no need for a default if you cover all cases
478 2012-11-10 17:59:07 <sipa> though a default might indeed be better here
479 2012-11-10 17:59:29 <Diapolo> I love finding bugs btw. ^^
480 2012-11-10 17:59:55 <sipa> actually, no, you want the compiler to complain when a new enum is added and you didn't provide a corresponding case in that switch
481 2012-11-10 18:00:42 <Luke-Jr> [17:47:20] <Diapolo> I love finding bugs btw. ^^ <-- I'm glad someone does <.<
482 2012-11-10 18:00:57 <Diapolo> hey Luke
483 2012-11-10 18:01:07 <Luke-Jr> hey Diapolo ;)
484 2012-11-10 18:01:35 <Diapolo> not many pulls from you recently are you mainly working on your miner?
485 2012-11-10 18:02:22 <Luke-Jr> that and a million other things
486 2012-11-10 18:02:59 <Luke-Jr> plus waiting for ultraprune to calm down before I mess with it <.<
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488 2012-11-10 18:03:24 <sipa> should be calm enough by now
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490 2012-11-10 18:03:47 <Diapolo> calm down you mean code maturity or the forum discussions?
491 2012-11-10 18:04:04 <Luke-Jr> code maturity, especially being able to switch between old and new versions painlessly
492 2012-11-10 18:04:23 <sipa> if you don't mind double storage, there shouldn't be a problem
493 2012-11-10 18:05:10 <Diapolo> just remove the BDB files and let it sync or use the torrent IMO :)
494 2012-11-10 18:06:11 <sipa> switching from old to new will still improve (just automatic move+reindex, or -loadblock I suppose), switching back... fine as long as you didn't delete the old files
495 2012-11-10 18:06:31 <Diapolo> sipa: I found where the Windows version seems to crash, when an InitError() causes a shutdown after the first BDB ::Open() call.
496 2012-11-10 18:06:45 <sipa> ugh
497 2012-11-10 18:07:13 <Diapolo> db.cpp on this line: DbEnv(0).remove(GetDataDir().string().c_str(), 0);
498 2012-11-10 18:07:42 <Diapolo> seems to be a problem with .string() from boost path stuff didn't digg deeper yet
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502 2012-11-10 18:30:40 <sipa> gmaxwell: if there was an explicit command line flag to add checkpoints, and an upgrade tool with code for reading old blkindex.dat could produce a safe value for that
503 2012-11-10 18:30:44 <sipa> but that sounds easily abused
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518 2012-11-10 19:09:41 <jgarzik> D34TH: multi-peer pynode should be straightforward now
519 2012-11-10 19:09:51 <jgarzik> D34TH: it has a peer manager, and a proper async core
520 2012-11-10 19:10:32 <jgarzik> D34TH: RE blkmond, the nice thing about that is the single-file-ness; quite a bit different from pynode :)
521 2012-11-10 19:10:46 <D34TH> you could use pynode-mini
522 2012-11-10 19:10:58 <jgarzik> D34TH: RE 2 blkmond, pynode.git has a "mini-node" branch that stores the latest mini-pynode
523 2012-11-10 19:10:59 <jgarzik> indeed
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533 2012-11-10 19:59:01 <D34TH> heh jgarzik i forked pushpool and got fake_lp working with it
534 2012-11-10 19:59:07 <D34TH> without scrypt
535 2012-11-10 19:59:18 <D34TH> took me like 10 minutes
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553 2012-11-10 20:36:12 <D34TH> so, i started using vanitygen-py to make a dbstore of addrs
554 2012-11-10 20:36:44 <D34TH> only does about 1k addr/s but im fine with that, ethics wont count when im god
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559 2012-11-10 20:37:26 <D34TH> sipa: do ethics apply when your luck is better than a chance of x:2^256 x being number of addrs with btc
560 2012-11-10 20:37:59 <sipa> what are you trying to accomplish?
561 2012-11-10 20:38:18 <D34TH> finding my address by random generation
562 2012-11-10 20:38:44 <sipa> define 'my address' ?
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564 2012-11-10 20:39:14 <D34TH> 1KdBgbMQSMjRtWDmzZdagccaoRKiffSMd5
565 2012-11-10 20:39:18 <D34TH> my address
566 2012-11-10 20:40:29 <D34TH> i think the chances are 1:2^256 right?
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568 2012-11-10 20:41:54 <sipa> 1/2^160
569 2012-11-10 20:42:12 <sipa> you don't need the exact same private key, only the hash of its public key must match
570 2012-11-10 20:42:39 <D34TH> the idea is to find my on pkey
571 2012-11-10 20:42:43 <D34TH> **own
572 2012-11-10 20:42:47 <sipa> ehm
573 2012-11-10 20:42:52 <sipa> you realize how long that will take?
574 2012-11-10 20:42:59 <D34TH> years
575 2012-11-10 20:43:07 <sipa> that's a gross understatement
576 2012-11-10 20:43:13 <D34TH> heh
577 2012-11-10 20:43:54 <sipa> imagine you could use all GPU power currently put in Bitcoin mining, for address mining
578 2012-11-10 20:44:01 <sipa> ;;bc,nethash
579 2012-11-10 20:44:02 <gribble> 25781.302801228932
580 2012-11-10 20:44:06 <D34TH> right now it seems like its a streamlined version of deep space vagabond
581 2012-11-10 20:44:31 <sipa> the factor on recent GPU's is around 1/10, so you'd be able to search through around 2.5Taddr/s
582 2012-11-10 20:45:26 <sipa> that means almost 10^20 addr/year
583 2012-11-10 20:45:37 <sipa> 10^20 is around 2^66
584 2012-11-10 20:46:29 <sipa> that means you'd need around 2^(160-66) = 2^94 = 19807040628566084398385987584 years to find just one private key with a matching address
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586 2012-11-10 20:46:51 <edcba> now any private key ? :)
587 2012-11-10 20:47:36 <sipa> if you want to find the exact same private key (there's really no need for that), it'd take 2^190 years
588 2012-11-10 20:47:43 <sipa> which is close to 1569275433846670190958947355801916604025588861116008628224
589 2012-11-10 20:48:28 <sipa> D34TH: now go do something useful with your CPU time
590 2012-11-10 20:48:32 <D34TH> lol
591 2012-11-10 20:52:02 <rg> what sthe probability that..
592 2012-11-10 20:52:10 <rg> if you just generated addresses an checked for balances
593 2012-11-10 20:52:36 <rg> log every generated address/privke
594 2012-11-10 20:52:43 <rg> then have a second process that checks them for balance
595 2012-11-10 20:52:51 <sipa> pointless
596 2012-11-10 20:52:55 <rg> obviously we're still talking a ridiculous amount of time
597 2012-11-10 20:53:01 <rg> to even find anyhting
598 2012-11-10 20:53:22 <sipa> just make a list of all addresses with a non-zero balance in advance, put those in hashmap or so, and look up addresses in them as you generate them
599 2012-11-10 20:53:31 <rg> ther eyou go
600 2012-11-10 20:53:42 <rg> id be interestd in testing it
601 2012-11-10 20:53:46 <rg> but its obviously stealing
602 2012-11-10 20:53:49 <rg> and that's wrong
603 2012-11-10 20:53:53 <sipa> haha, go ahead :D
604 2012-11-10 20:54:08 <rg> it'd be like picking a lock to see if you could do it
605 2012-11-10 20:54:32 <rg> sipa
606 2012-11-10 20:54:36 <rg> you must be sipa.be, yes?
607 2012-11-10 20:54:37 <D34TH> morality stops when you find that
608 2012-11-10 20:54:55 <sipa> rg: yes
609 2012-11-10 20:54:59 <rg> cheers
610 2012-11-10 20:55:06 <rg> just wanted to take a minute to thank you for the work you do on that site
611 2012-11-10 20:55:12 <rg> very useful information
612 2012-11-10 20:55:25 <sipa> i haven't spent more than a few hours in total on that site :)
613 2012-11-10 20:55:29 <rg> doenst mattre
614 2012-11-10 20:55:31 <rg> still useful
615 2012-11-10 20:55:36 <rg> and worthy of praise
616 2012-11-10 20:56:29 <sipa> well, thanks!
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624 2012-11-10 21:11:11 <sipa> rg: did some more accurate calculation; with the same figure as above (the entire bitcoin network mining addresses, at 2.5Taddr/year), every 4.5 billion years (age of earth), you have a 0.00000000000000000075% chance of finding an address with a currently non-zero balance
625 2012-11-10 21:11:35 <sipa> == don't even try
626 2012-11-10 21:13:17 <denisx> sipa: ultraprune is now part of HEAD?
627 2012-11-10 21:13:21 <sipa> yes
628 2012-11-10 21:13:28 <sipa> since 3 weeks or so
629 2012-11-10 21:13:44 <denisx> sipa: cool
630 2012-11-10 21:14:34 <jgarzik> D34TH: groovy
631 2012-11-10 21:14:38 <jgarzik> D34TH: pull requests welcome
632 2012-11-10 21:14:58 <D34TH> jgarzik, for what?
633 2012-11-10 21:15:08 <jgarzik> D34TH: pushpool?
634 2012-11-10 21:15:11 <D34TH> ahh
635 2012-11-10 21:15:12 <D34TH> k
636 2012-11-10 21:15:20 <jgarzik> D34TH: well, speaking generally, any project of mine ;-)
637 2012-11-10 21:15:34 <D34TH> ill look over it and when i get new blkmond working ill pull req it
638 2012-11-10 21:16:08 <D34TH> i dont think mini-node was upgraded
639 2012-11-10 21:17:12 <D34TH> then again i like it that way
640 2012-11-10 21:19:09 <_dr> rg: maybe getting a phd in mathematics will be more productive than brute-forcing :)
641 2012-11-10 21:26:09 <rg> 0.00000000000000000075%
642 2012-11-10 21:26:12 <rg> i like those odds!
643 2012-11-10 21:26:23 <sipa> per age of the earth, no less
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646 2012-11-10 21:27:02 * rg turns his miners on bruteforcing addresses
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649 2012-11-10 21:27:45 <sipa> rg: \o/ more mining income for me
650 2012-11-10 21:28:04 <rg> i mine litecoins
651 2012-11-10 21:28:11 <rg> until people realize litecoin is stupid
652 2012-11-10 21:28:55 <rg> bitcoind should have a bitcoind -configure
653 2012-11-10 21:28:59 <rg> that sets up your bitcoin.conf
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655 2012-11-10 21:30:17 <rg> www.firenzee.com/bitcoin-centos.sh
656 2012-11-10 21:30:25 <rg> you can start porting my shellscript to C
657 2012-11-10 21:30:27 <rg> :-d
658 2012-11-10 21:30:36 <rg> its at the bottom
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660 2012-11-10 21:38:26 <D34TH> jgarzik, have at it
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673 2012-11-10 22:01:37 <abrkn> hmm, i keep getting "invalid nonce" from bitfloor api, isnt it just +new Date in js?
674 2012-11-10 22:01:46 <denisx> sipa: leveldb.h:144:2: warning: no newline at end of file
675 2012-11-10 22:02:56 <abrkn> always something wrong with bitfloor
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677 2012-11-10 22:05:14 <lianj> abrkn: its an ever increasing nonce
678 2012-11-10 22:06:58 <sipa> denisx: what program complains about that?
679 2012-11-10 22:07:07 <denisx> gcc
680 2012-11-10 22:07:11 <abrkn> lianj: well it keeps telling me invalid nonce
681 2012-11-10 22:07:30 <sipa> hmm?
682 2012-11-10 22:07:42 <lianj> abrkn: maybe because you sent it a higher one earlier
683 2012-11-10 22:08:15 <abrkn> lianj: i guess, so i need to delete my api key?
684 2012-11-10 22:08:41 <lianj> abrkn: that or sent higher nonces
685 2012-11-10 22:09:33 <abrkn> ok
686 2012-11-10 22:09:36 <lianj> also if you use unix seconds timestamp as the nonce then you can only do one request per second
687 2012-11-10 22:11:31 <Luke-Jr> sipa: GCC does
688 2012-11-10 22:13:15 <abrkn> lianj: hmm so i need to do like var last, repeatn = null; send: function() { var now = +new Date; if (last == now) { lastn++; } else { last = now; } request.nonce = last*10+lastn; }?
689 2012-11-10 22:13:21 <abrkn> repeatn++*
690 2012-11-10 22:13:34 <abrkn> assuming i wont have more than ten on the same ms
691 2012-11-10 22:14:53 <Luke-Jr> ++repeatn; ftw
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693 2012-11-10 22:15:31 <lianj> abrkn: for js dunno. i use unix sec und usec
694 2012-11-10 22:22:06 <phantomcircuit> the timestamp things are the wrong way to synchronize api access
695 2012-11-10 22:22:07 <phantomcircuit> oh well
696 2012-11-10 22:22:08 <phantomcircuit> :/
697 2012-11-10 22:23:02 <abrkn> https://gist.github.com/4052715
698 2012-11-10 22:23:11 <abrkn> and yes, timestamp is just stupid
699 2012-11-10 22:24:06 <lianj> they dont force you to use a timestamp :P
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702 2012-11-10 22:24:44 <abrkn> pfft.
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705 2012-11-10 22:27:38 <abrkn> http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=725851 <- is this because they do 1/price? is there any way to avoid that other than doing ceil/floor on random()<0.5?
706 2012-11-10 22:29:13 <phantomcircuit> "EC regulations are fundamentally different from usual banking practices for they forbid fees when converting national currencies to euros"
707 2012-11-10 22:29:16 <phantomcircuit> lol yeah right
708 2012-11-10 22:30:09 <abrkn> i just wonder how one normally does rounding
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711 2012-11-10 22:32:44 <abrkn> https://gist.github.com/4052745 <- my first attempt
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