1 2012-11-11 00:14:41 <jgarzik> D34TH: merged
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  3 2012-11-11 00:27:06 <D34TH> looks like bluematt's windows build will fail
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 18 2012-11-11 01:37:18 * ne0futur decouvre iptraf
 19 2012-11-11 01:37:19 <ne0futur> de la balle
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 21 2012-11-11 01:37:48 <ne0futur> oups sorry
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 26 2012-11-11 01:41:04 <W00t_> Probably not the first to ask this, but is tehre any public-source php scripts for online btc address generation and use?
 27 2012-11-11 01:42:26 <D34TH> W00t_, are you asking for a php based bitcoin client?
 28 2012-11-11 01:42:35 <W00t_> I suppose, yes
 29 2012-11-11 01:42:45 <D34TH> i dont think so
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 65 2012-11-11 03:24:38 <BlueMatt> sipa: heh...thanks, knew it was a stupid mistake on my side
 66 2012-11-11 03:25:05 <BlueMatt> D34TH: whats up with win32 builds?
 67 2012-11-11 03:25:22 <D34TH> its linker was spitting stuff out about -z
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 74 2012-11-11 03:32:57 <BlueMatt> D34TH: link?
 75 2012-11-11 03:33:01 <BlueMatt> D34TH: I see nothing on current builds
 76 2012-11-11 03:33:18 <D34TH> http://jenkins.bluematt.me/job/Bitcoin/139/console
 77 2012-11-11 03:35:18 <BlueMatt> D34TH: hmm...odd, have you tried the build
 78 2012-11-11 03:35:25 <D34TH> i have not
 79 2012-11-11 03:37:21 <D34TH> i was gonig to wait till 140 was done
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 83 2012-11-11 04:02:33 <BlueMatt> D34TH: alright, ping me when youve tested, thanks
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 98 2012-11-11 05:11:31 * Luke-Jr ponders setting up Eligius to use git master for upstream GBT, and use his 0.6.0-eligius branch just for GBT proposals
 99 2012-11-11 05:11:58 <Luke-Jr> (that'd give me warnings when/if git master creates a block template that 0.6.0.x doesn't like
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110 2012-11-11 05:32:05 <astor> I have a locking-related question. anyone awake?
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113 2012-11-11 05:34:10 <astor> never mind
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141 2012-11-11 06:44:55 <Diablo-D3> heh so
142 2012-11-11 06:45:00 <Diablo-D3> I finally went ahead and got my devcoins
143 2012-11-11 06:45:12 <Diablo-D3>     "balance" : 81873877.00000000,
144 2012-11-11 06:45:55 <Diablo-D3> or approximately 173 btc at current exchange rates
145 2012-11-11 06:47:02 <ThomasV> another scamcoin?
146 2012-11-11 06:50:34 <Diablo-D3> ThomasV: no
147 2012-11-11 06:50:41 <Diablo-D3> its a coin that pays foss developers
148 2012-11-11 06:51:26 <Diablo-D3> ThomasV: 90% of the generation goes to developers
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213 2012-11-11 11:26:03 <abrkn> foss?
214 2012-11-11 11:27:14 <sipa> free and open source software
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216 2012-11-11 11:35:40 <Diapolo> sipa: Wow thanks for merging that many pulls recently.
217 2012-11-11 11:36:06 <sipa> i guess most couldn't hurt :)
218 2012-11-11 11:36:11 <Diapolo> :-D
219 2012-11-11 11:38:37 <Diapolo> sipa: Will new LevelDB versions cause the same problems as switching BDB versions?
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221 2012-11-11 11:39:44 <sipa> Diapolo: no, leveldb is far more consistent in its on-disk structure
222 2012-11-11 11:40:47 <sipa> and since the source is included in our tree, we can guarantee which version users will use
223 2012-11-11 11:41:01 <Diapolo> I'm asking because I remember you suggested switching to a later version in on of the pulls, can't remember which it was though. Does Google maintain a changelog for LevelDB?
224 2012-11-11 11:41:09 <sipa> sure
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226 2012-11-11 11:41:29 <sipa> yes, we could switch to 1.6, but there don't seem to be many improvements
227 2012-11-11 11:42:33 <Diapolo> Another thing, is the peers.dat still BDB or did I missread the code in db.cpp?
228 2012-11-11 11:42:40 <sipa> it's not
229 2012-11-11 11:42:46 <sipa> it's just a serialized CAddrMan
230 2012-11-11 11:44:20 <sipa> class CAddrDB does not inherit from CDB, you see
231 2012-11-11 11:44:52 <Diapolo> you are right, was just wondering as it resides in db.cpp, which I thought would contain only BDB stuff (didn't take a deep look yet)
232 2012-11-11 11:45:26 <sipa> the idea is that addrman.* is just the data structure, and has no knowledge about how/where it gets stored on disk
233 2012-11-11 11:46:15 <Diapolo> which is a good thing, as changes below are not related then
234 2012-11-11 11:46:49 <sipa> having it in db.* is a bit strange maybe, but i wouldn't know of a better place
235 2012-11-11 11:48:07 <Diapolo> no need to invent someting new
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246 2012-11-11 12:39:06 <Diapolo> Is the pull tester currently working?
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269 2012-11-11 14:20:55 <liori> hello, is there any chance to get bitcoind follow XDG base directory specification? (http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html)
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271 2012-11-11 14:22:27 <sipa> liori: what would that imply, in practice?
272 2012-11-11 14:23:10 <liori> i just found out that my ~/.bitcoin takes 50GB of my backup space. if it kept blockchain in ~/.cache, it would take much less (as i keep just one copy of ~/.cache)
273 2012-11-11 14:25:05 <liori> well, it would be moving files from ~/.bitcoin to ~/.cache/bitcoin, ~/.local/bitcoin and ~/.config/bitcoin.
274 2012-11-11 14:26:06 <liori> (technically these paths can be configured by environment variables)
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276 2012-11-11 14:26:42 <sipa> before 0.8, the wallet and blockchain shared a database environment, so it was impossible to separate them
277 2012-11-11 14:26:58 <sipa> as of 0.8, it's technically possible, and changing the directories wouldn't be that much work
278 2012-11-11 14:27:36 <sipa> but we would have to think about equivalent paths for other platforms
279 2012-11-11 14:27:49 <sipa> and backward compatibility
280 2012-11-11 14:28:16 <sipa> (e.g. if someone's bitcoin.conf specifies a datadir, which datadir does it refer to?)
281 2012-11-11 14:30:47 <liori> i see. so, it will be technically possible only in 0.8, and even then there are some compatibility implications… so, for now i'll try to make some exception in my backup software (won't be easy, it operates on a per-directory basis)
282 2012-11-11 14:31:49 <sipa> for 0.8 there is already a scheduled change to the datadir layout (wallet in $DATADIR, blocks in $DATADIR/blocks, block database in $DATADIR/blktree, unspent transaction output database in $DATADIR/coins)
283 2012-11-11 14:32:51 <sipa> so that would mean you can set different backup policies for those subdirs already
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287 2012-11-11 14:41:49 <Luke-Jr> sipa: Bitcoin-Qt already uses ~/.config/Bitcoin/Bitcoin-Qt.conf fwiw
288 2012-11-11 14:42:17 <sipa> indeed
289 2012-11-11 14:42:21 <Luke-Jr> liori: you don't want to make exceptions for now :/
290 2012-11-11 14:42:54 <Luke-Jr> lianj: technically you could leave out blk000*.dat, but I don't think there's any way to get those out of the same dir with blkindex.dat and database/ which you need for integrity
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292 2012-11-11 14:43:16 <Luke-Jr> liori*
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295 2012-11-11 14:45:11 <liori> i see. thanks for warning then.
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297 2012-11-11 14:49:18 <sipa> Luke-Jr: for what it's worth, i've already mined with ultraprune for quite some time (even found a real block!), so i'm more worried about things like accepting invalid blocks or mempool behaviour, rather than creating invalid blocks
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300 2012-11-11 15:01:54 <Luke-Jr> sipa: still, more testing can't hurt
301 2012-11-11 15:01:59 <sipa> of course
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340 2012-11-11 17:00:32 <Joric> how to work with a pull request correctly should i revert changes and rebase to a single commit every time
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354 2012-11-11 17:34:54 <kload1> Help please i am trying to fetch listtransaction api but it gives me an empty array does anyone know why?
355 2012-11-11 17:36:13 <sipa> did you receive/send any transactions yet?
356 2012-11-11 17:44:35 <kload1> @sipa: no
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362 2012-11-11 17:49:51 <sipa> kload1: then it's very normal that it returns an empty list, as that RPC call returns the transactions in your wallet
363 2012-11-11 17:51:32 <kload1> @sipa: Thanks :)
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376 2012-11-11 18:28:26 <D34TH> abe is taking so long on the import
377 2012-11-11 18:28:42 <D34TH> its only @ ~185k after 24 hr
378 2012-11-11 18:28:54 <sipa> what do you need abe for?
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380 2012-11-11 18:30:51 <D34TH> looking up transactions
381 2012-11-11 18:31:05 <D34TH> and i dont want to overload blockchain.info
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399 2012-11-11 19:03:15 <cjd> Good afternoon guys, I'm trying to figure out the "version" message and the satoshi client doesn't seem to be sending nTime in the ip address blocks
400 2012-11-11 19:05:41 <sipa> correct
401 2012-11-11 19:06:09 <cjd> ok, is it removed from new versions?
402 2012-11-11 19:06:29 <sipa> the nTime field is only present in later protocol versions, and the version message is exchanged before a protocol version is agreed upon
403 2012-11-11 19:06:42 <cjd> ahh I see
404 2012-11-11 19:07:33 <cjd> I would have thought it would be set as of the time when the version field was read and since it's first in the packet it would change
405 2012-11-11 19:07:38 <cjd> but that makes some sense
406 2012-11-11 19:08:30 <sipa> the version/verack messages are special in many ways, in order to guarantee conpatibility
407 2012-11-11 19:09:13 <cjd> I suppose it also establishes a minimum bar of entry for writing a client ;)
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413 2012-11-11 19:15:22 <wizkid057> there a limit on how many outputs can be in a sendmany? lol
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420 2012-11-11 19:36:40 * Luke-Jr makes a 70 KB transaction…
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430 2012-11-11 19:50:35 <wizkid057> i still want to know if thats any kind of record.... lol
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434 2012-11-11 19:55:28 <ThomasV> wizkid057: the only limit is your imagination. lol
435 2012-11-11 19:55:39 <sipa> the only limit is size
436 2012-11-11 19:55:49 <ThomasV> too
437 2012-11-11 19:55:49 <wizkid057> i have a vivid imagination
438 2012-11-11 19:56:00 <wizkid057> well, Eligius's mass payout paid 2031 addresses
439 2012-11-11 19:56:05 <ThomasV> do you have a vivid size
440 2012-11-11 19:56:16 <sipa> in theory, 1000000 bytes
441 2012-11-11 19:56:20 <sipa> in practice, somewhat less
442 2012-11-11 19:56:40 <wizkid057> well, 70KB < 1000KB, so, guess that works :)
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502 2012-11-11 22:44:32 <DrHaribo> anyone know why getblocktemplate's target and getdifficulty would not be in sync on testnet?
503 2012-11-11 22:44:40 <DrHaribo> getblocktemplate shows "target" : "000000000170f900000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000",
504 2012-11-11 22:44:49 <DrHaribo> bitcoind getdifficulty gives 1.00000000
505 2012-11-11 22:45:22 <sipa> the previous block probably had the special testnet rule applied
506 2012-11-11 22:46:28 <Luke-Jr> oh right, forgot getdifficulty was based on the previous block XD
507 2012-11-11 22:47:10 <DrHaribo> hmm, it should be called getwhatdifficultyusedtobe :P
508 2012-11-11 22:47:25 <DrHaribo> but thanks, sipa, that explains it
509 2012-11-11 22:48:36 <sipa> this split of the RPC into separate sourcefiles is great... but where the hell is getinfo?
510 2012-11-11 22:48:49 <sipa> rpcwallet.cpp it seems...
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512 2012-11-11 22:49:08 <sipa> as appropriate as all other, i guess :)
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518 2012-11-11 23:14:56 <jgarzik> sipa: unfortunately 'getinfo' fits all categories :)
519 2012-11-11 23:15:00 <jgarzik> sipa: it is a locking mess, too
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521 2012-11-11 23:19:14 <sipa> jgarzik: yeah
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524 2012-11-11 23:19:43 <Luke-Jr> perhaps getinfo should be deprecated, since JSON-RPC batching should perform the same job
525 2012-11-11 23:20:19 <Luke-Jr> although, it might be important to refactor batching support first, so that the locks are held for all the calls
526 2012-11-11 23:20:26 <Luke-Jr> (so the info is atomic)
527 2012-11-11 23:23:12 <sipa> ewww, please no
528 2012-11-11 23:23:19 <sipa> not at that level
529 2012-11-11 23:23:23 <sipa> v
530 2012-11-11 23:25:29 <Luke-Jr> sipa: shouldn't be any worse than it is now?
531 2012-11-11 23:26:06 <sipa> no but it would prevent any sane locking in the future
532 2012-11-11 23:26:43 <sipa> the rpc system shiuldn't need to know, or even be allowed to touch the locks its callees use
533 2012-11-11 23:27:20 <sipa> make a getwalletinfo, a getblockchaininfo, ... all you like
534 2012-11-11 23:27:50 <sipa> they will access independent information, so don't need atomicity across calls
535 2012-11-11 23:28:12 <sipa> and be protected internally by independent locks
536 2012-11-11 23:28:27 <Luke-Jr> sipa: I disagree. I do in fact need atomic info between wallet and blockchain
537 2012-11-11 23:28:53 <sipa> such as?
538 2012-11-11 23:29:33 <Luke-Jr> sipa: interactions between orphaned blocks, for example
539 2012-11-11 23:30:18 <sipa> and how is the wallet involved there?
540 2012-11-11 23:30:29 <Luke-Jr> it contains information on the state of transactions
541 2012-11-11 23:30:54 <sipa> well i guess your case as a mining pool is somewhat special
542 2012-11-11 23:31:58 <sipa> but an rpc call sure may call something that internally locks both wallet and blockchain, that's not the problem
543 2012-11-11 23:32:09 <Luke-Jr> hmm, I suppose I could call getblockhash before and after to verify the block remained part of the chain
544 2012-11-11 23:32:23 <jgarzik> the straightforward way is to mark 'getinfo' unlocked
545 2012-11-11 23:32:32 <jgarzik> then manually lock/unlock
546 2012-11-11 23:32:39 <Luke-Jr> jgarzik: that has the opposite effect ;)
547 2012-11-11 23:32:53 <sipa> jgarzik: AAAAAARG
548 2012-11-11 23:33:09 <Luke-Jr> jgarzik: right now getinfo provides atomic information; otherwise we can just batch get*
549 2012-11-11 23:33:23 <jgarzik> sipa: messy, but a summary is quite useful.  anything else is more work for a system view
550 2012-11-11 23:33:48 <sipa> the inner datastructurrs should simply neither expose their internal state nor their locks
551 2012-11-11 23:34:00 <jgarzik> sure
552 2012-11-11 23:34:04 <jgarzik> hiding the locks is fine too
553 2012-11-11 23:34:15 <jgarzik> getinfo can run unlocked, and call helpers
554 2012-11-11 23:34:18 <sipa> rpc calls should simlly request information from the core
555 2012-11-11 23:34:23 <jgarzik> nod
556 2012-11-11 23:34:44 <sipa> and those core functions will access whatever data/locks they need
557 2012-11-11 23:38:16 <sipa> maybe, for batch rpcs, an inner function could get GetBlockData(vector<uint256> blockids), and a batch rpc that calls getblock frequently would batch it to a single call of this functiom, instead of calling a single block info function fkr each
558 2012-11-11 23:38:46 <sipa> but please, don't let the rpc system decide which locks it needs for its callees
559 2012-11-11 23:38:57 <gmaxwell> Obviously we need to add an SQL interperter and transactions to the RPC.
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565 2012-11-11 23:47:38 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: hmm, I wonder how SQL would work as a protocol O.o
566 2012-11-11 23:47:46 <Luke-Jr> :P
567 2012-11-11 23:48:54 <Luke-Jr> actually, I wonder if there'd be a way to teach sqlite to access our internal data like that. I bet some people would like it for real
568 2012-11-11 23:50:32 <sipa> levepdb has support for read-only snapshots
569 2012-11-11 23:51:23 <sipa> if someone wants expensive blockchain queries, such snapshots may be useful to get consistent data wuthout needing core datastructure locks
570 2012-11-11 23:52:08 <jgarzik> if someone wants expensive/extensive blockchain queries, it's easy enough to use znort597(sp?)'s blockchain indexer, or pynode, or...
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