1 2012-11-19 00:00:54 <dudecoin> no... he cant pretend
  2 2012-11-19 00:01:42 <dudecoin> he have to do the payment then he have to proof the LAlice has the payment
  3 2012-11-19 00:02:31 <cjd> well there's no actual difference between a transaction that he released and got into the LTC chain and a transaction what is still sitting on his computer.. it's the same data
  4 2012-11-19 00:03:01 <cjd> so he creates the LTC tx to pay alice but instead of submitting it, he collects the BTC using it and then deletes it
  5 2012-11-19 00:03:03 <dudecoin> a) he makes the payment...
  6 2012-11-19 00:03:53 <dudecoin> at this point he will lose the 1 btc and 1 LTC if he do not proof he made the 1 LTC transaction to LAlice.
  7 2012-11-19 00:04:13 <Luke-Jr> …
  8 2012-11-19 00:04:24 <Luke-Jr> dudecoin: I can prove I made the 1 LTC to Alice WITHOUT LOSING 1 LTC
  9 2012-11-19 00:04:24 <cjd> …
 10 2012-11-19 00:04:26 <dudecoin> b) he sign a message using any of the input address used in the payment to LAlice... no other address is valid
 11 2012-11-19 00:05:03 <Luke-Jr> dudecoin: do you know WHY the blockchain exists?
 12 2012-11-19 00:06:06 <dudecoin> you have to make the payment and also have to provide a signed message using a address used in the payment to LAlice. How if LAlice has 0 coins... it is also invalid
 13 2012-11-19 00:07:21 <dudecoin> yes and this is why the idea I have only work for trades using blockchains... it cant work for paypal coins
 14 2012-11-19 00:07:35 <Luke-Jr> dudecoin: you can't know LAlice has 0 coins no matter what you do with signatures
 15 2012-11-19 00:09:23 <cjd> If script was touring complete you could force them to push the tx to the stack along with the merkle branch leading back to the header and then prove that the header hash has the correct difficulty
 16 2012-11-19 00:09:36 <cjd> but that would be the most outrageous abuse of script imaginable
 17 2012-11-19 00:10:28 <dudecoin> Luke-Jr: no? the script inside a tx can't store small string information?
 18 2012-11-19 00:11:01 <Luke-Jr> dudecoin: irrelevant
 19 2012-11-19 00:11:24 <dudecoin> not irrelevant.
 20 2012-11-19 00:11:34 <dudecoin> it is relevant.
 21 2012-11-19 00:11:50 <dudecoin> it can store LAlice information that have to be paid by Bob
 22 2012-11-19 00:12:03 <cjd> if you predicted the length of the merkle branch in advance you could use a bunch of OP_IF OP_SWAP OP_HASH to validate a merkle branch and finish it with an OP_LT
 23 2012-11-19 00:12:29 <cjd> and you'd have a 100k transaction
 24 2012-11-19 00:12:47 <cjd> and need to pay more than the LTC market cap in fees
 25 2012-11-19 00:13:28 <weex> dudecoin: how do you deal with double-spends?
 26 2012-11-19 00:13:45 <dudecoin> so... it could be stores in namecoin chain... I can write anything inside of the tx
 27 2012-11-19 00:14:32 <cjd> OP_PUSH "please please please don't double spend this transaction" OP_DROP
 28 2012-11-19 00:14:45 <weex> cjd: seems to be the best solution so far
 29 2012-11-19 00:15:02 <cjd> the please please one or the merkle branch hell?
 30 2012-11-19 00:15:12 <weex> please please...could add a pretty in there
 31 2012-11-19 00:15:16 <cjd> :D
 32 2012-11-19 00:15:38 <weex> this whole thing is about escrow right?
 33 2012-11-19 00:16:05 <weex> or a cross-chain transaction
 34 2012-11-19 00:16:10 * cjd wonders if you could implement sha256 using the C preprocessor :)
 35 2012-11-19 00:16:16 <dudecoin> weex: signedmessage and verifymessage validate the transaction
 36 2012-11-19 00:16:50 <dudecoin> scrow and cross-chain
 37 2012-11-19 00:17:10 <weex> dudecoin: but you have to wait for confirmations to trust anything
 38 2012-11-19 00:17:12 <dudecoin> scrow... trades between chains
 39 2012-11-19 00:17:32 <Luke-Jr> cjd: I guess you could abuse OP_IF to make it work XD
 40 2012-11-19 00:18:07 <cjd> yeap, kind of like my 8 bit adding machine using #if
 41 2012-11-19 00:18:27 <dudecoin> weex: this is in the 2nd part of the idea... but only 1 chain start the trade BTC...
 42 2012-11-19 00:18:38 <cjd> cross platform __COUNTER__ ftw
 43 2012-11-19 00:20:39 <dudecoin> weex: yes... after 6 confirmations are ok, no?
 44 2012-11-19 00:21:18 <weex> depends on the value but ok...so your lock time is not going to be 5 minutes more like 2-3 hours to be safe
 45 2012-11-19 00:22:35 <dudecoin> what is the nax nLOCKTIME can use? I was thinking about active block + x blocks ahead.
 46 2012-11-19 00:23:32 <dudecoin> *max
 47 2012-11-19 00:23:40 <sipa> dudecoin: nLockTime is either a timestamp or a block number
 48 2012-11-19 00:24:08 <dudecoin> so nLOCKTIME still ok with my ideas.
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 54 2012-11-19 00:27:33 <sipa> dudecoin: no, the only thing nLockTime can do is limit as of when a transaction can enter a block
 55 2012-11-19 00:27:38 <sipa> it cannot influence any scripts
 56 2012-11-19 00:27:55 <dudecoin> ok
 57 2012-11-19 00:27:56 <sipa> and scripts cannot influence outputs
 58 2012-11-19 00:28:06 <sipa> they just control whether a transaction is valid or not
 59 2012-11-19 00:28:10 <dudecoin> this is the way I need it
 60 2012-11-19 00:28:17 <sipa> no you don't
 61 2012-11-19 00:28:48 <dudecoin> but after 50 blocks... it will be forced to be processed, right?
 62 2012-11-19 00:29:54 <dudecoin> 50 was a random number of nLOCKTIME
 63 2012-11-19 00:30:25 <dudecoin> nLOCKTIME has no problem to my ideas then.
 64 2012-11-19 00:30:35 <dudecoin> it is compatible.
 65 2012-11-19 00:32:32 <dudecoin> 1ALice pay 1Bob... could be read as: "good until active block + 50 blocks ahead" XOR ("LBob have to pay LAlice 20 LTC"  and "LBob have to provide a valid signed message using LBob")
 66 2012-11-19 00:34:28 <sipa> transaction cannot observe external data
 67 2012-11-19 00:34:44 <sipa> they cannot see any potential payment to LAlice
 68 2012-11-19 00:34:58 <sipa> they cannot change outputs based on this
 69 2012-11-19 00:35:08 <dudecoin> I dont want a tx to do it!
 70 2012-11-19 00:35:17 <sipa> you don't get it
 71 2012-11-19 00:35:22 <sipa> a transaction is either valid or not
 72 2012-11-19 00:35:26 <sipa> there is nothing it can see
 73 2012-11-19 00:35:35 <dudecoin> who will validate it are nodes
 74 2012-11-19 00:35:44 <sipa> there is no conditional outside of the transaction itself that can influence whether it is valid or not
 75 2012-11-19 00:35:58 <sipa> it cannot be "potentially valid"
 76 2012-11-19 00:36:13 <sipa> it cannot change its outputs based on something outside of itself
 77 2012-11-19 00:36:52 <sipa> you could in theory say that a transaction's outputs can only be claimed by proving you own a particular LTC address yes
 78 2012-11-19 00:37:02 <sipa> but that won't influence the original transaction's validity
 79 2012-11-19 00:37:21 <sipa> it would only make the funds in it gone
 80 2012-11-19 00:37:53 <sipa> and in general, there is no way for a transaction to observe the LTC chain; which you need for any inter-chain trading
 81 2012-11-19 00:38:01 <dudecoin> what is the "the original transaction's validity"? Alice payment to Bob?
 82 2012-11-19 00:38:09 <sipa> i have no idea, you decide
 83 2012-11-19 00:38:32 <sipa> i'm saying that transactions live on their own, they can't see other transactions
 84 2012-11-19 00:38:37 <sipa> they are just VALID or INVALID
 85 2012-11-19 00:39:12 <sipa> afk
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 87 2012-11-19 00:39:39 <cjd> the way it works is alice creates a puzzle (transaction), bob gets the money if he can produce some piece of information which solves the puzzle
 88 2012-11-19 00:40:03 <cjd> nomatter what you do, he can always "almost pay" and be able to produce the solution to the puzzle without actually paying
 89 2012-11-19 00:40:27 <dudecoin> hey... the tx "observing"... is not what I'm talking about...
 90 2012-11-19 00:40:37 <cjd> bob supplies the solution, not a third party, that's why it will never work
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 92 2012-11-19 00:42:17 <dudecoin> bob provides the solution because only bob can sign a message using LBob Lcjd cant... also LAlice have to have the payment from Lbob inside...
 93 2012-11-19 00:42:32 <dudecoin> [22:20] <dudecoin> 1ALice pay 1Bob... could be read as: "good until active block + 50 blocks ahead" XOR ("LBob have to pay LAlice 20 LTC"  and "LBob have to provide a valid signed message using LBob")
 94 2012-11-19 00:42:56 * Luke-Jr gives up
 95 2012-11-19 00:43:03 <dudecoin> you see... I have used XOR
 96 2012-11-19 00:43:25 <Luke-Jr> dudecoin: how about you implement it, and then we'll show you how to break it?
 97 2012-11-19 00:43:34 <Luke-Jr> (by doing it)
 98 2012-11-19 00:43:46 <cjd> see also: coildcoin
 99 2012-11-19 00:43:49 <cjd> :P
100 2012-11-19 00:44:07 <dudecoin> Luke-Jr: can you sign a message using any of my keys?
101 2012-11-19 00:44:47 <Luke-Jr> dudecoin: I'm not discussing it with you anymore.
102 2012-11-19 00:44:56 <dudecoin> this way you do it right now... ;)
103 2012-11-19 00:45:12 <dudecoin> well, ok thanks anyway
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106 2012-11-19 00:46:19 <D34TH> wow my id10t friend had open wifi and wondered why his interbutts was going slow
107 2012-11-19 00:46:22 <dudecoin> but you cant sign a message with my keys... if you can... proof me.
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109 2012-11-19 00:52:54 <weex> dudecoin: the problem is not about verifying the sender as the sender
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111 2012-11-19 00:58:56 <dudecoin> well, I think if the (LBob payment to LAlice is valid) and (the signed message is valid)... what is wrong?
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113 2012-11-19 01:00:23 <dudecoin> tx observing things? no... tx will not observe anything...
114 2012-11-19 01:00:39 <dudecoin> who observes all things are nodes and also bob
115 2012-11-19 01:04:09 <dudecoin> after all conversations here... I think the script inside the tx can't have the way to provide the proper information to be validated nodes.
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117 2012-11-19 01:04:26 <dudecoin> *by nodes
118 2012-11-19 01:04:36 <dudecoin> the way it needs to be done.
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121 2012-11-19 01:11:27 <qwebirc75238> Q: If I'm having trouble installing phoenix, would I be able to come here for help? Alternatively, would #bitcoin be better?
122 2012-11-19 01:16:49 <rdponticelli> qwebirc75238: Or you can try #bitcoin-mining
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139 2012-11-19 02:01:58 <cryptorific> do vorhees or fireduck ever make an appearance here?
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144 2012-11-19 02:11:51 <weex> once a bitcoin address is base58 decoded should it always be 25 characters in length?
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146 2012-11-19 02:19:26 <Luke-Jr> weex: for now
147 2012-11-19 02:20:14 <weex> i'm getting the php function to check addresses here: https://bitcointalk.org/?topic=1026.5%3Bwap2
148 2012-11-19 02:20:17 <weex> failing
149 2012-11-19 02:21:15 <weex> maybe not though...i'll be back
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194 2012-11-19 06:13:13 <muhoo> early yet, but works: https://github.com/kenrestivo/pawnshop
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213 2012-11-19 06:58:27 <ThomasV> I keep getting this in my log: event=http_multi_fail sender_id=6  url=http://jauspora.com/receive/public response_code='0'
214 2012-11-19 06:58:32 <ThomasV> any idea?
215 2012-11-19 06:58:44 <ThomasV> oops, wrong channel, nvm
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293 2012-11-19 11:38:22 <upb> hey Luke-Jr, i found this while looking for a voicexml browser for freeswitch:
294 2012-11-19 11:38:25 <upb> "Wrote adapters to connect VoiceXML interpretors with both Asterisk and. FreeSWITCH using the Method Integration"
295 2012-11-19 11:38:30 <upb> which interpreter did you integrate ?:P
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313 2012-11-19 12:38:19 <Luke-Jr> upb: a certain interpretor that I also maintain
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315 2012-11-19 12:38:58 <Luke-Jr> upb: if that is of interest to you, I could get you in touch with the company selling it
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320 2012-11-19 12:47:22 <upb> ahhhh, its commercial :)
321 2012-11-19 12:47:35 <upb> probably improved openvxi then
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326 2012-11-19 13:07:32 <Luke-Jr> upb: no, it's from scratch in Perl and C
327 2012-11-19 13:08:07 <Luke-Jr> upb: the biggest external dependencies are the Simple ECMAScript Interpretor and libcurl
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329 2012-11-19 13:11:13 <Viral> hai guis help a friend make bitcoin
330 2012-11-19 13:12:16 <Luke-Jr> Viral: bitpay offers a simple merchant interface
331 2012-11-19 13:12:29 <Viral> are you a computer?
332 2012-11-19 13:12:43 <Viral> its much more than that
333 2012-11-19 13:12:47 <Viral> i think
334 2012-11-19 13:12:47 <Viral> a-a
335 2012-11-19 13:13:00 <Viral> i need a good computer
336 2012-11-19 13:13:03 <Viral> .
337 2012-11-19 13:13:11 <sipa> buy oneM
338 2012-11-19 13:13:19 <cjd> infect one ;)
339 2012-11-19 13:13:41 <SomeoneWeird> >___>
340 2012-11-19 13:13:56 <Viral> more subversion i get it
341 2012-11-19 13:14:13 <sipa> i prefer git
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343 2012-11-19 13:14:30 <Viral> i see what you did there fainting ignoreance good choice.
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345 2012-11-19 13:15:10 <sipa> if you want serious answers, start with a serious question :)
346 2012-11-19 13:15:19 <Viral> can i infect mit super computer from mirc?
347 2012-11-19 13:16:01 <Viral> i think the joker said it best, "why so serios"
348 2012-11-19 13:16:24 <Viral> joker is a god
349 2012-11-19 13:17:05 <Viral> my questions are simpo
350 2012-11-19 13:17:33 <Viral> here's 1
351 2012-11-19 13:17:44 <Viral> when does the 50 key sets drop down to 25 or w/e
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360 2012-11-19 13:19:51 <Viral> *sniff*sniff*
361 2012-11-19 13:20:02 <Viral> i wish someone would help a lonely soul
362 2012-11-19 13:20:14 <Viral> *sniff*
363 2012-11-19 13:20:24 <Viral> HELP ME MAKE BITCO
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373 2012-11-19 13:24:00 <SomeoneWeird> it's simple
374 2012-11-19 13:24:02 <SomeoneWeird> we kill the trolls
375 2012-11-19 13:24:29 <sipa> nah, just ignore them
376 2012-11-19 13:24:33 <Viral> well ide rather get paid
377 2012-11-19 13:25:11 <Viral> for killing trolls Y_Y
378 2012-11-19 13:25:29 <SomeoneWeird> if you're good at something
379 2012-11-19 13:25:32 <SomeoneWeird> never do it for free
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381 2012-11-19 13:26:04 <Viral> i pay you 30$ make me 500 bitco
382 2012-11-19 13:26:09 <Viral> heuheuheuhe
383 2012-11-19 13:26:15 <Viral> thats how internet works rite?
384 2012-11-19 13:27:10 <Viral> i only have so much tiime
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389 2012-11-19 13:34:34 <netuser> how can i earn 5 6 bitcoins?
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396 2012-11-19 13:49:30 <cardpuncher> Hi there, a little question about translations: in "Warning: error reading wallet.dat! All keys read correctly, but...", can this be understood as "Warning: error reading wallet.dat! All keys *were* read correctly, but..."?
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401 2012-11-19 14:03:36 <sipa> cardpuncher: indeed
402 2012-11-19 14:04:22 <cardpuncher> Thanks sipa.
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421 2012-11-19 15:50:13 <helo> netuser: fake an identity on reddit.com/r/girlsgonebitcoin (NSFW)
422 2012-11-19 15:51:31 <helo> of course, you'll need a very formidable collection to draw from
423 2012-11-19 15:52:31 <helo> doh, offtopic O_o
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430 2012-11-19 16:06:34 <Cusipzzz> helo: 0_o
431 2012-11-19 16:07:22 <helo> indeed
432 2012-11-19 16:13:34 <netuser> lol helo
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434 2012-11-19 16:14:47 <netuser> u mean pics ? :))
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479 2012-11-19 17:56:16 <Godzilla123> Hi. from the wiki, In a transaction, "An input is a reference to an output in a different transaction."
480 2012-11-19 17:56:44 <Godzilla123> Is it possible to refer more than one output or must there only be one output of a previous transaction?
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484 2012-11-19 17:58:05 <Godzilla123> sorry
485 2012-11-19 17:58:08 <Godzilla123> I mistyped
486 2012-11-19 17:59:03 <Godzilla123> If I send 1 btc from A to X and 1 btc from B to X, and finally send 2 btc from X to Y,
487 2012-11-19 17:59:19 <Godzilla123> What will the fiinal transaction ,look like
488 2012-11-19 17:59:50 <Godzilla123> since X is an input, it will reference an output in a "different transaction"
489 2012-11-19 17:59:53 <Godzilla123> which transaction?
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491 2012-11-19 18:02:12 <Cusipzzz> both A and B are the inputs to X
492 2012-11-19 18:02:56 <Godzilla123> so we can reference more than one previous transactions?
493 2012-11-19 18:04:21 <Cusipzzz> not sure what you mean 'we can' - are you trying to build this in one transactions?
494 2012-11-19 18:05:06 <Godzilla123> I am trying to understand the protocol
495 2012-11-19 18:05:20 <Godzilla123> so I want to know exactly what this sentence means "An input is a reference to an output in a different transaction."
496 2012-11-19 18:06:01 <Godzilla123> so it means *one* different transaction
497 2012-11-19 18:06:07 <Godzilla123> or can there be many
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499 2012-11-19 18:06:28 <kjj_> many
500 2012-11-19 18:06:46 <kjj_> each transaction has >0 input and >0 output
501 2012-11-19 18:09:15 <Godzilla123> ok another way to put my question.. again quoted from qiki
502 2012-11-19 18:09:17 <Godzilla123> wiki
503 2012-11-19 18:09:19 <Godzilla123> Because an output can only ever be referenced by a single input, the entire combined input value needs to be sent in an output if you don't want to lose it.
504 2012-11-19 18:09:31 <sipa> every input references exactly one output of exactly one former transaction
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506 2012-11-19 18:10:02 <Godzilla123> so the wiki says that "an output can only ever be referenced by a single input"
507 2012-11-19 18:10:10 <Godzilla123> I want to know the other way round
508 2012-11-19 18:10:24 <Godzilla123> can an input reference many other outputs?
509 2012-11-19 18:10:29 <sipa> no
510 2012-11-19 18:10:41 <sipa> read my last sentence again :)
511 2012-11-19 18:10:53 <kjj_> but you can have multiple inputs in a transaction
512 2012-11-19 18:11:00 <Godzilla123> ok
513 2012-11-19 18:11:07 <Godzilla123> so multiple signatures
514 2012-11-19 18:11:21 <Godzilla123> even if the inputs are repeated
515 2012-11-19 18:11:30 <sipa> yes
516 2012-11-19 18:11:36 <kjj_> a transaction is basically just two lists.  an input list, and an output list.
517 2012-11-19 18:11:53 <Godzilla123> ok
518 2012-11-19 18:12:03 <Godzilla123> plus a list of previous outputs
519 2012-11-19 18:12:10 <kjj_> those are the inputs
520 2012-11-19 18:12:16 <Godzilla123> ok
521 2012-11-19 18:12:26 <Godzilla123> i see
522 2012-11-19 18:12:29 <sipa> outputs are amount+pubkey(address)
523 2012-11-19 18:12:52 <Godzilla123> what exactly is an "input"
524 2012-11-19 18:12:52 <sipa> inputs are reference to previous output + signature to prove ownership of it
525 2012-11-19 18:13:00 <Godzilla123> I mean the data inside it
526 2012-11-19 18:13:03 <kjj_> ok, from the beginning
527 2012-11-19 18:13:19 <kjj_> someone finds a block, they are allowed to make a special transaction that has a bogus input, but a valid output
528 2012-11-19 18:13:33 <Godzilla123> ok
529 2012-11-19 18:13:38 <kjj_> every other transaction refers to a previous transaction, eventually leading back to one of those generation transactions
530 2012-11-19 18:13:38 <Godzilla123> the coinbase
531 2012-11-19 18:13:54 <Godzilla123> ok
532 2012-11-19 18:14:16 <kjj_> when you make a transaction, your inputs are members of the output lists of various other previous transactions
533 2012-11-19 18:14:24 <Godzilla123> that clears it up. so the inputs are actually transaction ids
534 2012-11-19 18:14:32 <kjj_> sorta
535 2012-11-19 18:14:33 <Godzilla123> along with a signature
536 2012-11-19 18:14:46 <sipa> txid + output# + signature
537 2012-11-19 18:15:00 <kjj_> each transaction has a list of outputs.  the full identifier is the txid (the hash of the transaction as a whole) and the sequence along that list
538 2012-11-19 18:15:37 <kjj_> when you go to redeem a transaction from the past, you specify both the txid and that sequence for each one you want to redeem.  those go into a list as your inputs
539 2012-11-19 18:16:00 <Godzilla123> when you say txid + output# + signature
540 2012-11-19 18:16:06 <Godzilla123> that is the previous tx output
541 2012-11-19 18:16:18 <kjj_> right
542 2012-11-19 18:16:37 <sipa> txid is 32-bytebtx hash
543 2012-11-19 18:16:38 <sipa> output# is a 4-byte number
544 2012-11-19 18:17:13 <sipa> signature is variable lengtgh (it"'s actually a script)
545 2012-11-19 18:17:30 <Godzilla123> where is the public key supplied?
546 2012-11-19 18:17:31 <sipa> sorry for my typing, i'm on a train :)
547 2012-11-19 18:17:49 <Godzilla123> is it inside signature
548 2012-11-19 18:18:08 <sipa> originally, the output had the public key, and the input hadbthe signature
549 2012-11-19 18:18:35 <sipa> in practice, in almkst every transaction, the output only contains a public key hash
550 2012-11-19 18:19:00 <kjj_> we totally need a boot camp for this
551 2012-11-19 18:19:01 <sipa> and both the public key and the signature are in the input
552 2012-11-19 18:20:03 <Godzilla123> but I get the general idea
553 2012-11-19 18:21:20 <Godzilla123> can outputs be repeated in a tx?
554 2012-11-19 18:21:32 <sipa> how do you mean?
555 2012-11-19 18:22:28 <Godzilla123> like one tx has many inputs which can be repeated. What about the outputs, Will that be a problem?
556 2012-11-19 18:22:42 <Godzilla123> (A, A) --> (B, B)
557 2012-11-19 18:22:57 <Godzilla123> or should it be (A, A) --> B
558 2012-11-19 18:23:07 <sipa> every inputs references exactly one output
559 2012-11-19 18:23:28 <sipa> but there can be several inputs, aand several outputs
560 2012-11-19 18:23:56 <sipa> the different outputs referenced by the inputs of one transaction may but are not requured to belong to the same former transaction
561 2012-11-19 18:24:44 <Godzilla123> yes but I wanted to know if the several outputs need to be unique or repeatable?
562 2012-11-19 18:24:45 <kjj_> you know what would make multisig much easier?  if it sorted the keys before creating the script
563 2012-11-19 18:25:20 <kjj_> each output can be used only once
564 2012-11-19 18:25:29 <sipa> Godzilla123: what is the difference between a unique or repeated output or input?
565 2012-11-19 18:25:36 <Godzilla123> sipa: ok that clears it up
566 2012-11-19 18:25:36 <sipa> they are just pieces of data
567 2012-11-19 18:26:06 <kjj_> so you can refer to different outputs from the same transaction in your input list, but you can't use any of them more than once (ever, not just in a given transaction)
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569 2012-11-19 18:26:36 <Godzilla123> <sipa> the different outputs referenced by the inputs of one transaction may but are not requured to belong to the same former transaction
570 2012-11-19 18:26:43 <Godzilla123> this is what I want to know
571 2012-11-19 18:27:49 <kjj_> you have three transactions, each with three outputs.  A.1, A.2, A.3, B.1, B.2, B.3, C.1, C.2, C.3.  You can create a new transaction spending any combination of them.  A.1+A.2+B.3 is fine.  but A.1+A.1 is not because each one can only be used once
572 2012-11-19 18:27:50 <sipa> you can consume outputs created by the same transaction
573 2012-11-19 18:28:08 <Godzilla123> it would not make sense to repeat outputs in a tx, as they can be combined into one
574 2012-11-19 18:28:19 <sipa> surebit makes sense
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576 2012-11-19 18:28:33 <sipa> if you want to be able to spend the pieces separately
577 2012-11-19 18:28:49 <sipa> "unspent transacrion outputs" are sometikes called coins
578 2012-11-19 18:29:02 <sipa> so transactions create and consuke coins
579 2012-11-19 18:29:06 <sipa> consume
580 2012-11-19 18:29:48 <kjj_> sweet.  got my offline createmultisig function to match the output of bitcoind
581 2012-11-19 18:30:52 <kjj_> trying to decide if I want to tackle compressed pubkeys and WIFs next, or if I just want to keep on with the uncompressed functions that I know and trust
582 2012-11-19 18:30:57 <Godzilla123> thanks. Basically my original question was the one-to-one correspondence between outputs of one tx and inputs of another
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584 2012-11-19 18:31:11 <Godzilla123> And it was cleared
585 2012-11-19 18:31:21 <sipa> yw
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587 2012-11-19 18:31:48 <Godzilla123> it makes senst to have one output referenced only once to avoid double spending
588 2012-11-19 18:33:01 <sipa> in combination with more complex transactions it's really the only way
589 2012-11-19 18:33:17 <sipa> as you can't have well-defined balances per address anymore
590 2012-11-19 18:33:58 <kjj_> sipa: I'm going to try to write a boot camp tutorial using the raw transaction API.  these questions come up pretty often, and doing it yourself seems to be the best teacher
591 2012-11-19 18:37:09 <kjj_> you know, in my copious free time
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604 2012-11-19 19:46:32 <Godzilla123> kjj_: sipa is there any reason, why an input in a transaction refers to exactly one output of a prev transaction?
605 2012-11-19 19:46:42 <Godzilla123> why not more?
606 2012-11-19 19:48:28 <Godzilla123> and 2nd question. How do we check that the referenced output is not referenced more than once in some earlier transaction
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610 2012-11-19 19:54:32 <helo> Godzilla123: i think that's just the definition that is used for an input: an unspent output from a previous transaction. you can use multiple inputs in a tx, so it doesn't really limit anything
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613 2012-11-19 19:55:48 <Godzilla123> helo: Yes I understand, but how do we enforce this, suppose someone has referenced that output in another block?
614 2012-11-19 19:55:56 <helo> Godzilla123: and for 2: the client just keeps track of the set of unspent transaction outputs. if an input in a new transaction isn't there, the transaction isn't valid
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616 2012-11-19 19:56:51 <Godzilla123> ok
617 2012-11-19 19:57:52 <Godzilla123> so the client keeps this list of unspend outputs all the time
618 2012-11-19 19:58:45 <helo> yes
619 2012-11-19 20:00:43 <sipa> Godzilla123: well because you need to provide the signature for precisely that output
620 2012-11-19 20:01:09 <sipa> Godzilla123: if you'd reference multiple inputs, you'd still need to provide a signature for each
621 2012-11-19 20:01:34 <sipa> there is no point in combining them
622 2012-11-19 20:01:42 <Godzilla123> sipa: which question is this regarding?
623 2012-11-19 20:02:36 <Godzilla123> the first one
624 2012-11-19 20:02:41 <Godzilla123> I guess
625 2012-11-19 20:03:12 <Godzilla123> sipa: yes that makes sense
626 2012-11-19 20:04:00 <Godzilla123> sipa: its just a matter of convention. I thought there was a deeper logic
627 2012-11-19 20:04:09 <Godzilla123> as in the other way round.. (to avoid double spending)
628 2012-11-19 20:05:34 <Godzilla123> https://en.bitcoin.it/w/images/en/6/67/Transaction.png this makes it clear
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633 2012-11-19 20:15:21 <Luke-Jr> block 210000 should be the first 25 BTC block, right? that's what we concluded the other day?
634 2012-11-19 20:15:29 <Godzilla123> I guess the inputs can also refer to outputs in other unconfirmed transactions
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638 2012-11-19 20:23:00 <xorgate> one would suspect the start to be at block 0
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641 2012-11-19 20:29:04 <helo> Godzilla123: yes, they can
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644 2012-11-19 20:35:20 <sipa> Luke-Jr: correct
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651 2012-11-19 21:12:52 <D34TH> hey sipa, does importprivkey rescan so it shows the correct balance? if not, why?
652 2012-11-19 21:13:02 <kjj_> yes, it does
653 2012-11-19 21:13:18 <D34TH> thanks kjj_
654 2012-11-19 21:13:46 <D34TH> while i was taking a shower the idea popped in my head and if it wasnt implemented, i was going to suggest it
655 2012-11-19 21:14:26 <kjj_> I think one of the pull requests adds a birthday to keys, and lets you specify it when importing.  to avoid the lengthy full rescan
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657 2012-11-19 21:14:28 <DMCommit> [DiabloMiner] Diablo-D3 pushed 4 new commits to master: http://git.io/1B8-2w
658 2012-11-19 21:14:28 <DMCommit> DiabloMiner/master fe4122d Patrick McFarland: Add ability to add LTC and Stratum support
659 2012-11-19 21:14:28 <DMCommit> DiabloMiner/master 061925c Patrick McFarland: Fix redundant warning
660 2012-11-19 21:14:28 <DMCommit> DiabloMiner/master a62c5bf Patrick McFarland: Do not cast to int
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662 2012-11-19 21:16:59 <joepie91> anyone knows if there is some kind of development channel for BitcoinArmory?
663 2012-11-19 21:17:12 <joepie91> or some kind of fork that rapes your RAM less
664 2012-11-19 21:17:15 <joepie91> :P
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666 2012-11-19 21:22:56 <helo> to ensure i'm not giving out bad advice... is running HEAD with a (backed-up) wallet with some coin in it, but not creating any transactions, foolish?
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672 2012-11-19 21:27:22 <kjj_> HEAD?
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675 2012-11-19 21:29:07 <kjj_> sweet!
676 2012-11-19 21:30:38 <kjj_> all of my offline key stuff works with compressed pubkeys
677 2012-11-19 21:31:38 <maaku> helo: no, but you're probably doing something foolish that put you in that situation
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679 2012-11-19 21:32:52 <helo> just someone interested in the speedups that will be in 0.8
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685 2012-11-19 21:42:00 <kjj_> the data: URI type is now officially my favorite
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690 2012-11-19 21:50:29 <edcba> kjj_: it became supported by IE ?
691 2012-11-19 21:50:39 <Luke-Jr> gavinandresen: ping?
692 2012-11-19 21:51:54 <kjj_> what's IE?
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694 2012-11-19 21:54:57 <kjj_> witness the power of the data: URI.  http://www.jerviss.org/bitcointalk.org/keyB.html
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696 2012-11-19 21:59:50 <kjj_> I've been working on scripts to generate new offline multisig keys.  now with embedded 128B and QR codes for ease of entry off paper
697 2012-11-19 22:00:29 <kjj_> that key and address is live, by the way.  if anyone wants to guess one of the other two keys before my return gets confirmed, there is 0.1 BTC in it for you
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736 2012-11-19 23:53:56 <Karmaon> enhancement!