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  4 2012-11-23 00:00:30 <phantomcircuit> sipa, everybody else is eating turkey
  5 2012-11-23 00:00:37 <phantomcircuit> and im just sitting here building a ceph clsuter
  6 2012-11-23 00:00:38 <phantomcircuit> lol
  7 2012-11-23 00:01:35 <sipa> s/everybody/america/
  8 2012-11-23 00:01:47 <copumpkin> not even
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 14 2012-11-23 00:11:12 <sipa> ;;bc,halfreward
 15 2012-11-23 00:11:13 <gribble> Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Wed Nov 28 18:28:00 2012 | Time remaining: 6 days, 2 hours, 30 minutes, and 0 seconds
 16 2012-11-23 00:14:56 <sipa> what time zone is that?
 17 2012-11-23 00:15:25 <sipa> GMT-8
 18 2012-11-23 00:15:52 <sipa> west coast, it seems
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 20 2012-11-23 00:20:57 <denisx> so for us it will be the 29.12.2012 3:30 ?
 21 2012-11-23 00:21:47 <sipa> in central europe, yes
 22 2012-11-23 00:37:19 <vazakl> the rhine?
 23 2012-11-23 00:37:25 <edcba> maybe i should buy some bitcoins before
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 32 2012-11-23 00:58:57 <Luke-Jr> sipa: yeah, not sure why the 0.7.1 translations use a different format than what Qt produces? :/
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 37 2012-11-23 01:08:13 <jgarzik> Luke-Jr: perhaps that relates to the translation collaboration website sometimes used
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 39 2012-11-23 01:08:35 <Luke-Jr> jgarzik: sounds likely
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 41 2012-11-23 01:09:15 <Luke-Jr> maybe we should have a rule that commits to git are always parsed/writback by Qt first, to avoid large ugly diffs. or maybe some XSLT in case Qt format changes between versions (due to hashtables reordering)?
 42 2012-11-23 01:09:16 <jgarzik> Luke-Jr: can you post a link to the raw 0.7.2rc1 diff?
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 44 2012-11-23 01:09:25 <jgarzik> Luke-Jr: I don't see the latest, in the pull req/issue
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 48 2012-11-23 01:11:12 <Luke-Jr> https://raw.github.com/gist/4133508/fd3d389097d24040d929bebd0435fcd21eb7f185/stdin.txt
 49 2012-11-23 01:11:32 <sipa> jgarzik: git diff v0.7.1..v0.7.2rc1
 50 2012-11-23 01:12:28 <sipa> man, trying to get a v0.7.1 to sync from scratch here using -connect to another node on 127.0.0.1
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 52 2012-11-23 01:13:05 <sipa> every few blocks it tries to sync my wallet (which is empty), and seems to flush the entire bdb env for that, resulting in a 20s delay
 53 2012-11-23 01:13:45 <sipa> now i got a recv buffer size overflow, resulting in the only connection being dropped, reconnected, and resulting in a stalled download
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 90 2012-11-23 01:57:32 <phantomcircuit> sipa, the whole world should celebrate thanksgiving... it hasn't been about pilgrims for a long time now
 91 2012-11-23 01:57:49 <phantomcircuit> who doesn't like an enormous meal of turkey?
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 98 2012-11-23 02:19:31 <bitcoin-guy> if I compile bitcoind from source using mingw and the rest. What files would I need to include in the bitcoind directory to enable it to run properly ?
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100 2012-11-23 02:20:01 <bitcoin-guy> I want to put it on 30 or more machines, but I dont want to install the UI and I dont want to have to go through installing each of the packages manually.
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144 2012-11-23 04:48:07 <jgarzik> I love how bitcoin has two Solver() functions
145 2012-11-23 04:48:17 <jgarzik> same name... totally different purposes, inputs and outputs
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153 2012-11-23 05:21:00 <BlueMatt> sorry it took so long, but the btcf-funded server if (finally) up, Im gonna move jenkins, but devs who have valid bitcoin-related stuff to run can now get vms (there was discussion of a testnet node, https bin downloads, etc)
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162 2012-11-23 06:13:56 <Luke-Jr> BlueMatt: how's your gitian coming along?
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171 2012-11-23 06:52:59 <D34TH> oh wow
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173 2012-11-23 06:53:12 <D34TH> im seeding the latest wikimedia backup
174 2012-11-23 06:53:45 <D34TH> time to copy it to offline storage incase apocalypse
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219 2012-11-23 08:26:45 <randomguy> hello. Im trying to get some of the RPC calls working for my bitcoind but i am a little puzzled.
220 2012-11-23 08:26:54 <randomguy> I put params:[] and its works.
221 2012-11-23 08:27:01 <randomguy> but params:{} fails
222 2012-11-23 08:27:15 <randomguy> if I want to getbalance with a specific account how should params look ?
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228 2012-11-23 08:36:27 <randomguy> if I call getbalance and want to specify an account. what wolud params look like.
229 2012-11-23 08:40:32 <ThiagoCMC> I think it is "bitcoind listaccounts"
230 2012-11-23 08:41:18 <randomguy> i was thinking from the JSON-RCP
231 2012-11-23 08:41:28 <randomguy> rather than calling the command line thing.
232 2012-11-23 08:41:50 <randomguy> im trying to build a bitcoind client
233 2012-11-23 08:42:08 <randomguy> for monitoring and controlling the daemon
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240 2012-11-23 08:58:24 <UukGoblin> randomguy, https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Original_Bitcoin_client/API_Calls_list
241 2012-11-23 08:59:42 <UukGoblin> randomguy, also, you can see an example json e.g. on https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/API_reference_(JSON-RPC)#Command_line_.28cURL.29
242 2012-11-23 09:03:56 <randomguy> that example uses no parameters.
243 2012-11-23 09:04:19 <randomguy> i guess i am wondering about the parameters for the json-rpc call.
244 2012-11-23 09:04:27 <randomguy> are they just in order. Or are they named
245 2012-11-23 09:05:06 <UukGoblin> randomguy, I'm guessing they're ordered and they go in the "params": [] array
246 2012-11-23 09:06:56 <randomguy> so for sendtoaddress the params are <bitcoinaddress> <amount> [comment] [comment-to]
247 2012-11-23 09:07:17 <randomguy> i believe that bitcoinaddress and amount are mandatory.
248 2012-11-23 09:07:26 <randomguy> then commend and comment-to are optional.
249 2012-11-23 09:07:32 <UukGoblin> I've gotta go, but someone will surely help soon :-)
250 2012-11-23 09:07:47 <randomguy> but is it possible to include comment-to without comment
251 2012-11-23 09:07:49 <UukGoblin> yes, <> is usually the notation for mandatory and [] for optional
252 2012-11-23 09:08:09 <UukGoblin> dunno
253 2012-11-23 09:08:14 <UukGoblin> try '' for comment
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255 2012-11-23 09:09:01 <randomguy> i guess that will have to be acceptable.
256 2012-11-23 09:09:09 <randomguy> its nice to understand it :)
257 2012-11-23 09:09:15 <randomguy> I appreciate your time
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292 2012-11-23 10:09:30 <sipa> ;;bc,blocks
293 2012-11-23 10:09:31 <gribble> 209179
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302 2012-11-23 10:19:06 <BitDev> hi all
303 2012-11-23 10:19:33 <BitDev> how can i find out last block header without getting all blocks?
304 2012-11-23 10:23:52 <BitDev> no one knows?
305 2012-11-23 10:24:00 <BitDev> or this is imposible?
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320 2012-11-23 10:53:48 <abrkn> sort of
321 2012-11-23 10:53:58 <abrkn> BitDev: maybe blockchain.info has it
322 2012-11-23 10:54:08 <kinlo> BitDev: blockexplorer.com has it
323 2012-11-23 10:54:13 <abrkn> fucking 24h hours to download the chain. i wonder how this could be improved
324 2012-11-23 10:54:24 <kinlo> BitDev: but if you want to know it securely you will need to download the chain
325 2012-11-23 10:54:37 <sipa> abrkn: 0.8
326 2012-11-23 10:54:38 <kinlo> abrkn: there is a lot of disk io for downloading it
327 2012-11-23 10:54:51 <kinlo> abrkn: and 0.8 will improve the database dramatically
328 2012-11-23 10:54:59 <kinlo> abrkn: so it should go A LOT faster with 0.8
329 2012-11-23 10:55:20 <sipa> BitDev: you mean via the p2p protocol? there is getheaders
330 2012-11-23 10:55:34 <BitDev> there is no way (without blockchain.info or blockexplorer.com and etc) find out last block?
331 2012-11-23 10:55:48 <BitDev> yes, via p2p protocol
332 2012-11-23 10:55:55 <sipa> BitDev: use getheaders
333 2012-11-23 10:56:02 <BitDev> and how can i say - i need only last one? )
334 2012-11-23 10:56:35 <sipa> you can't, as that is not meaningful (there is no way to validate it without having its ancestors)
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337 2012-11-23 10:57:05 <sipa> but you can ask from the current block you already know until infinity
338 2012-11-23 10:57:24 <BitDev> so only way is to get all headers and then i will have last one?
339 2012-11-23 10:57:36 <sipa> also, the versiin nessage contains the number of blocks known to the peer, but this is not reliable
340 2012-11-23 10:57:52 <sipa> BitDev: indeed, but headers are not large
341 2012-11-23 10:59:14 <BitDev> i must calculate bits myself?
342 2012-11-23 10:59:25 <sipa> how do you mean?
343 2012-11-23 10:59:41 <sipa> you must verify they match the difficulty adjustment rules
344 2012-11-23 11:01:06 <abrkn> how can i see info about a transaction my wallet wasnt involved in with bitcoind?
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346 2012-11-23 11:01:34 <abrkn> when i do gettransaction gettransaction 9b0fc92260312ce44e74ef369f5c66bbb85848f2eddd5a7a1cde251e54ccfdd5 i get Invalid or non-wallet transaction id (code -5)
347 2012-11-23 11:01:49 <abrkn> (i just picked a random transaction from block index 3 or something)
348 2012-11-23 11:02:13 <BitDev> and how i can get all transaction thats new to put in new created block?
349 2012-11-23 11:03:02 <sipa> abrkn: use getrawtransaction
350 2012-11-23 11:03:17 <abrkn> sipa: is there a way to decode it in the client?
351 2012-11-23 11:03:36 <sipa> abrkn: yes, rtfm
352 2012-11-23 11:03:58 <sipa> BitDev: as a miner, you decide yourself what to put in a block
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354 2012-11-23 11:04:40 <BitDev> yes, but how to get all transactions? to put as much as there is
355 2012-11-23 11:05:07 <sipa> you don't "get all transactions", you remember them when they are broadcasted
356 2012-11-23 11:05:42 <sipa> there is a very recent p2p command to retrieve the contents of another node's mempool though
357 2012-11-23 11:06:07 <sipa> see bip 0035
358 2012-11-23 11:06:53 <BitDev> bip 0035? what is this? i reading https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Protocol_Specification for protocol :) what is bip 0035?
359 2012-11-23 11:07:23 <sipa> google "bip 0035"
360 2012-11-23 11:07:57 <BitDev> Bitcoin Improvement Proposal - thnx gonna read this
361 2012-11-23 11:09:45 <BitDev> i have one maybe stupid question... in "Network address" there are field "time  the Time (version >= 31402)" its must start from version 3.1.4.02 - yes?
362 2012-11-23 11:10:58 <sipa> 0.3.14.2
363 2012-11-23 11:12:25 <BitDev> sorry, i have installed latest Satoshi client and it not sending this time
364 2012-11-23 11:12:27 <BitDev> wtf?
365 2012-11-23 11:15:29 <sipa> ?
366 2012-11-23 11:16:21 <sipa> the timestamp is not sent when the addr is part of the version message
367 2012-11-23 11:18:16 <BitDev> ow
368 2012-11-23 11:18:19 <BitDev> i get it
369 2012-11-23 11:19:06 <BitDev> its only send, when "addr" packet is sending
370 2012-11-23 11:19:58 <sipa> indeed
371 2012-11-23 11:20:42 <BitDev> and how this value created? its only 4 bytes long, and time is 8 bytes long
372 2012-11-23 11:24:17 <sipa> why would time be 8 bytes?
373 2012-11-23 11:25:13 <BitDev> unix time is 8 bytes long
374 2012-11-23 11:25:37 <sipa> it's not even 31 bits right now
375 2012-11-23 11:25:47 <sipa> we're in for a nice protocol change before 2106, when we pass the 32nd bit
376 2012-11-23 11:26:00 <BitDev> so just use it?
377 2012-11-23 11:26:06 <BitDev> low 32 bits?
378 2012-11-23 11:26:22 <sipa> in practice, yes
379 2012-11-23 11:26:50 <BitDev> great, thnx again ;)
380 2012-11-23 11:26:53 <sipa> but it's not "the low 32 bits", it's just the seconds since epoch (which is a number) encoded as a 32-bit integer
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382 2012-11-23 11:28:22 <BitDev> one more question... how can i verify that block header that i get from other node is in main branch?
383 2012-11-23 11:29:06 <sipa> there is no such thing as "the main branch" - if there was, bitcoin wouldn't be needed
384 2012-11-23 11:29:24 <sipa> you decide yourself which branch you consider active
385 2012-11-23 11:29:47 <sipa> (and you're supposed to pick the one with most work in it you know of and is valid)
386 2012-11-23 11:30:07 <sipa> but nodes will not always agree on which branch is the main branch
387 2012-11-23 11:31:51 <BitDev> hm and how its work? so many nodes with time flow can decide so many branches... there must be the one branch that have all transactions and how to consider that your block header is fine?
388 2012-11-23 11:32:34 <BitDev> i mean that all nodes can decide what branch is good and what is not - then who will be right?
389 2012-11-23 11:32:43 <sipa> they're all right
390 2012-11-23 11:33:00 <sipa> any valid chain through the block tree is a valid choice
391 2012-11-23 11:33:47 <sipa> but the fact that nodes are supposed to pick the chain with the most work in it, means that the chance that nodes disagree about things in the past decreases exponentially with the number of blocks this is ago
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393 2012-11-23 11:40:36 <BitDev> ok, how i can choose what branch i will work with? i want to work in chain that blockexplorer.com works
394 2012-11-23 11:40:53 <sipa> i don't think you get it
395 2012-11-23 11:41:14 <sipa> the entire purpose of the bitcoin block system is to make the world choose the same branch
396 2012-11-23 11:41:40 <sipa> what your node should do is pick the branch with the most work that it knows about, and considers valid
397 2012-11-23 11:41:43 <t7> BitDev: choose the chain with the oldest head
398 2012-11-23 11:41:51 <t7> but the deepest
399 2012-11-23 11:41:56 <t7> ignore me
400 2012-11-23 11:43:32 <BitDev> ok, i started for the first time and i dont know any block, i will go to dns and get first nodes to work with and now - how i decide with branches have most of work done?
401 2012-11-23 11:44:42 <sipa> you check how much work they have
402 2012-11-23 11:44:52 <sipa> work is defined as the sum of difficulties
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404 2012-11-23 11:45:24 <sipa> (or more correctly: sum of 2^256/target for each block)
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406 2012-11-23 11:46:31 <t7> ah thats it :)
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420 2012-11-23 13:08:50 <swulf--> 'listtransactions' yields the N most recent transactions, is there a way to retrive the N oldest transactions?
421 2012-11-23 13:09:02 <Diablo-D3> listtransactions '' N
422 2012-11-23 13:09:09 <Diablo-D3> er '*'
423 2012-11-23 13:09:35 <swulf--> that lists the most recent transactions
424 2012-11-23 13:09:53 <swulf--> listtransactions '*' 3 gives me my 3 most recent transactions, in chronological order
425 2012-11-23 13:09:56 <Diablo-D3> oh, you want from the start?
426 2012-11-23 13:09:58 <swulf--> yes
427 2012-11-23 13:10:16 <Diablo-D3> I wonder if negative numbers work
428 2012-11-23 13:10:21 * swulf-- checks
429 2012-11-23 13:10:32 <swulf--> error: {"code":-8,"message":"Negative count"}
430 2012-11-23 13:10:36 <Diablo-D3> damn
431 2012-11-23 13:10:52 <Diablo-D3> api probably doesnt support it, but you can manually do it by asking for all transactions
432 2012-11-23 13:11:08 <swulf--> not efficient if i'm expecting a high # of transactions
433 2012-11-23 13:11:10 <swulf--> well
434 2012-11-23 13:11:24 <swulf--> all transactions since time or since txid would be useful too
435 2012-11-23 13:11:31 <swulf--> seems weird that the api is written this way
436 2012-11-23 13:11:40 <Diablo-D3> you might want to build something that processes the blockchain itself
437 2012-11-23 13:11:56 <swulf--> maybe in the long run
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440 2012-11-23 13:15:04 <swulf--> listtransaction is just a poorly written api, there's no way to keep a consisstent index into your stream if new transactions are being appended constantly
441 2012-11-23 13:16:02 <Diablo-D3> it was never meant for that usage
442 2012-11-23 13:16:19 <Diablo-D3> and its also part of the original api that satoshi wrote
443 2012-11-23 13:16:27 <swulf--> damn you satoshi...
444 2012-11-23 13:16:29 <Diablo-D3> and he isnt exactly the worlds best programmer or anything
445 2012-11-23 13:16:53 <Diablo-D3> what I'd like to see is someone write a stand alone daemon that streams json over tcp as new transactions are secured into blocks
446 2012-11-23 13:17:01 <Diablo-D3> thats what most people really want
447 2012-11-23 13:17:50 <silverado> I could use tips on security support - walk-through for a BTC app under development.
448 2012-11-23 13:18:20 <swulf--> listsinceblock might be usable..
449 2012-11-23 13:18:47 <sipa> the problem is bitcoin's transaction confirmation model is not compatible with how people want to use it
450 2012-11-23 13:19:05 <Diablo-D3> yeah what sipa said
451 2012-11-23 13:19:11 <sipa> people want a binary not-confirmed / confirmed, and take action when it gets confirmed
452 2012-11-23 13:19:25 <Diablo-D3> a stand alone daemon that just spits out transactions that are 6 blocks old as they mature over tcp json
453 2012-11-23 13:19:32 <Diablo-D3> would solve 99.9% of issues
454 2012-11-23 13:19:53 <Diablo-D3> adding an api that can also do "since block #" would complete it
455 2012-11-23 13:20:00 <Diablo-D3> it could be done inside of bitcoind, obviously
456 2012-11-23 13:20:11 <swulf--> in my case, i'm not concerned about confirmations, i'll handle that myself..i just would like a list of transactions related to my addresses in the order they're received (or entered into blocks, i don't care, as long as the order is consistent)
457 2012-11-23 13:20:17 <Diablo-D3> but it'd be an alternative mode that doesn't involve using your wallet, ie, just block explorer type services
458 2012-11-23 13:20:33 <Diablo-D3> sipa, gmaxwell: maybe you two could add that
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462 2012-11-23 13:35:41 <swulf--> how about this.. is there a way to get a list of transactions in a block (similar to getblock) reduced only to my wallet-accounts?
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466 2012-11-23 13:39:51 <ThiagoCMC> swulf--, I think this already exists...
467 2012-11-23 13:41:00 <ThiagoCMC> or something like that... you have only "pieces" of the blockchain that "matters" to your wallet...
468 2012-11-23 13:41:17 <ThiagoCMC> or maybe, I am talking shit here... But I read this somewhere...   =P
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475 2012-11-23 13:46:04 <swulf--> hmm
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477 2012-11-23 13:51:21 <ThiagoCMC> swulf--, find it!
478 2012-11-23 13:51:48 <swulf--> oh?
479 2012-11-23 13:52:14 <ThiagoCMC> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=31362.0 - "...As a "selfish" client, BTC Express downloads transactions involving its own wallet but not any full block/header (even the block which contains its transactions). "....
480 2012-11-23 13:52:19 <ThiagoCMC> Is that youir idea?
481 2012-11-23 13:52:32 <ThiagoCMC> your
482 2012-11-23 13:52:59 <swulf--> looks good but it doesn't handle confirmations does it?
483 2012-11-23 13:53:08 <ThiagoCMC> have no idea...   =P
484 2012-11-23 13:53:58 <sipa> it uses a central server, i think
485 2012-11-23 13:54:02 <swulf--> ahh yep
486 2012-11-23 13:54:05 <swulf--> no good
487 2012-11-23 13:54:08 <swulf--> i'll just do this the crappy way
488 2012-11-23 13:54:17 <swulf--> list block / get transaction, for each trans in a block
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490 2012-11-23 13:54:42 <swulf--> maybe modify bitcoind myself
491 2012-11-23 13:57:26 <sipa> what do you need exactly?
492 2012-11-23 13:57:59 <swulf--> I really just want a list of my wallet transactions, in order
493 2012-11-23 13:58:09 <swulf--> with a consistent index
494 2012-11-23 13:58:11 <sipa> listtransactions will get you that
495 2012-11-23 13:58:24 <sipa> as of 0.7, the order should be consistent, afaik
496 2012-11-23 13:58:31 <swulf--> listtransactions "*" N  doesn't guarantee identical output when N remains constant
497 2012-11-23 13:58:44 <sipa> sure?
498 2012-11-23 13:58:55 <swulf--> if a new transaction comes in, it shows the most recent, not the oldest
499 2012-11-23 13:59:19 <swulf--> i should be able to just query transactions 0..100, 101..200, 201..N   and it _always_ be the same
500 2012-11-23 13:59:36 <Diablo-D3> assuming the data set hasnt changed, you mean
501 2012-11-23 13:59:45 <swulf--> blocks are set in stone, the data shouldn't change
502 2012-11-23 14:00:00 <Diablo-D3> only sufficiently mature blocks
503 2012-11-23 14:00:03 <swulf--> sure
504 2012-11-23 14:00:12 <sipa> blocks order things, but transactions are received in an order that is not related to blocks
505 2012-11-23 14:00:13 <swulf--> longer block changes could affect it
506 2012-11-23 14:00:26 <Diablo-D3> sipa: yeah, but it could just sort by txid
507 2012-11-23 14:00:27 <sipa> the wallet and the block chain are two separate data structures
508 2012-11-23 14:00:48 <sipa> the wallet tries to keep a consistent order, but based on when transactions are received
509 2012-11-23 14:00:50 <swulf--> an alternative is to get all transactions for block B related to my wallet
510 2012-11-23 14:00:52 <Diablo-D3> or hell, its a hash, just have your target language handle it
511 2012-11-23 14:01:29 <swulf--> i'd be OK with listing the first N transactions in my wallet, too.  listtransactions does the last N transactions
512 2012-11-23 14:02:33 <sipa> swulf--: the 3rd argument selects at which point to start
513 2012-11-23 14:02:45 <swulf--> sipa: from the end, not the beginning
514 2012-11-23 14:02:58 <swulf--> IMO, it should be from the beginning..
515 2012-11-23 14:03:11 <sipa> no, the second argument limits the number of transactions
516 2012-11-23 14:03:18 <sipa> the third selects at which point to start
517 2012-11-23 14:03:26 <swulf--> yes
518 2012-11-23 14:03:45 <swulf--> <account> <how many transactions> <number of transactions to go BACK starting at the most recent transaction>
519 2012-11-23 14:03:57 <sipa> oh really?
520 2012-11-23 14:04:01 <swulf--> it's nigh impossible to write api based on that logic
521 2012-11-23 14:04:07 <swulf--> s/api/programs
522 2012-11-23 14:05:12 <abrkn> swulf: just give up using listtransactions imo
523 2012-11-23 14:05:22 <swulf--> even the code says     // Now: iterate backwards until we have nCount items to return:
524 2012-11-23 14:05:22 <abrkn> swulf: things dont show up in the correct order
525 2012-11-23 14:05:37 <swulf--> abrkn: I'll write my own and just use a modified client
526 2012-11-23 14:05:54 <swulf--> i just need a solution that works for now
527 2012-11-23 14:06:01 <swulf--> and can solidify it with better things later
528 2012-11-23 14:06:25 <abrkn> swulf: aye, i have the same problem. considering going through the blocks using the rpc
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531 2012-11-23 14:09:04 <Icoin> hi guys i installed mingw32 on ubuntu and try to compile devcoind for win32, what cpp file i have to use with the command  i586-mingw32msvc-gcc -o makefile.mingw
532 2012-11-23 14:09:24 <Icoin> i try to crosscompile*
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536 2012-11-23 14:21:59 <swulf--> abrkn: i just rewrote listtransactions in the code to not use the reverse iterator and instead use a forward iterator. seems to work well
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546 2012-11-23 14:59:31 <swulf--> is it possible to reduce the transaction size in order to avoid a tx fee ?
547 2012-11-23 14:59:55 <swulf--> standard qt client tells me my transaction is over the size limit for a simple 0.02 btc transaction..
548 2012-11-23 15:00:27 <kinlo> sometimes... it is not as black and white as one might think
549 2012-11-23 15:00:43 <swulf--> what's the general idea?
550 2012-11-23 15:00:47 <kinlo> but you should be able to avoid most transaction fee's if you're patient and do it correctly
551 2012-11-23 15:01:02 <kinlo> you could try to combine multiple outputs into a new input in several steps
552 2012-11-23 15:01:59 <kinlo> so you can split up one large transaction into several smaller ones
553 2012-11-23 15:01:59 <kinlo> that might require several hours to get everything confirmed tough
554 2012-11-23 15:02:10 <swulf--> is that possible with the bitcoin-qt client?
555 2012-11-23 15:02:32 <kinlo> especially since the network penalizes "new" transactions, so you will need to wait a long time to get those matured
556 2012-11-23 15:02:32 <kinlo> no
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559 2012-11-23 15:03:22 <kinlo> the bitcoin-qt client has no gui for that - perhaps with the rpc
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561 2012-11-23 15:03:31 <swulf--> makes me wonder if something satoshidice is paying a lot in txfees
562 2012-11-23 15:03:40 <swulf--> something like**
563 2012-11-23 15:15:22 <sipa> they just pay 0.0005 for every tx, i think
564 2012-11-23 15:15:40 <Diapolo> the current Qt client has a RPC console, which you could use for that via the raw transactions API I guess, but I can't help in how to do what you need ^^
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574 2012-11-23 15:42:39 <kinlo> I don't think there are rpc commands to fully create your own transaction yet
575 2012-11-23 15:43:06 <kinlo> or are there?
576 2012-11-23 15:44:22 <sipa> createrawtransaction ?
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579 2012-11-23 15:46:15 <kinlo> oh
580 2012-11-23 15:46:16 <kinlo> the development goes at a blazing speed :p
581 2012-11-23 15:46:16 <kinlo> I can't follow :)
582 2012-11-23 15:47:25 <kinlo> sipa: can createrawtransaction be used to do partial signing?  ie is the implementation fixed for the multiple signature stuff?
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585 2012-11-23 15:49:04 <sipa> kinlo: sure, that's what it is intended for
586 2012-11-23 15:49:31 <sipa> createrawtransaction creates a unsigned transactiin, signrawtransaction signs whatever it can
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588 2012-11-23 15:51:21 <silur> Hello
589 2012-11-23 15:52:08 <silur> q: What's the simplest way to programmatically send payment from bitcoin Addr1 to Addr2, having PrivateKey1 ?
590 2012-11-23 15:52:41 <silur> (without using any middleman services)
591 2012-11-23 15:54:08 <sipa> silur: bitcoin transactions do not have a from address
592 2012-11-23 15:54:32 <sipa> they have one or more input coins, each of which may or may not have an address it was previously assigned to
593 2012-11-23 15:55:38 <silur> sipa, do i need to have full copy of blockchain to initiate payment?
594 2012-11-23 15:56:40 <sipa> no, you only need to know which coins you want to use for the transaction, and their keys
595 2012-11-23 15:56:45 <kinlo> sipa: great... I should create my service that I wanted to make ages ago...
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597 2012-11-23 15:56:45 <kinlo> to allow automatic 3th party signing :)
598 2012-11-23 15:56:59 <sipa> silur: see the createrawtransaction and signrawtransaction API calls
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602 2012-11-23 15:57:30 <silur> sipa, i presume i need to have bitcoind running for this purpose?
603 2012-11-23 15:57:36 <sipa> yes
604 2012-11-23 15:57:55 <sipa> though it could be implemented in a library, without access to the block chain
605 2012-11-23 15:59:13 <silur> sipa, any examples of using it as a library without need of full blockchain, if the task is to: get all bitcoins at Addr1 and send them to Addr2
606 2012-11-23 15:59:47 <sipa> silur: i'm just saying what is theoretically possible
607 2012-11-23 16:00:04 <sipa> just use bitcoind if you need to create transactions
608 2012-11-23 16:02:13 <silur> sipa, Say online store generates addresses dynamically and then checks if payment is received. Once received - it aggregate payments from temp. addresses to "final" destination. Does it needs full copy of blockchain to send payments from generated addresses?
609 2012-11-23 16:02:58 <sipa> no, but it needs to know which coins to send
610 2012-11-23 16:03:06 <sipa> so it needs to see the receiving transactions
611 2012-11-23 16:03:34 <sipa> (this is in theory, you shouldn't accept payments without a fully verifying node anyway)
612 2012-11-23 16:03:56 <sipa> also, don't move coins internally if you don't need to
613 2012-11-23 16:04:14 <silur> sipa, could it use blockexplorer.com for that?
614 2012-11-23 16:04:25 <sipa> yes, but don't
615 2012-11-23 16:04:51 <silur> sipa, so what would be ideal implementation for that scenario?
616 2012-11-23 16:06:10 <sipa> just run a wallet that receives the incoming transactions, and send them out when you need to create an outgoing transaction
617 2012-11-23 16:08:57 <silur> sipa, ok thanks. Can i disable bitcoind from downloading/syncing blockchain? If that's is bnot needed for above, i'd rather avoid hogging resources
618 2012-11-23 16:09:58 <sipa> silur: it's not needed for sending transactions, but it is needed for validating received transactions
619 2012-11-23 16:10:47 <silur> sipa, why can't I use blockchain.com or other service for that?
620 2012-11-23 16:11:03 <silur> (not that i trying to abuse someone's resources, but to understand the proper way)
621 2012-11-23 16:11:16 <sipa> if you're going to trust a third party without paying them, why not let them do everything?
622 2012-11-23 16:11:27 <sipa> the point of running bitcoind is not needing to trust anyone
623 2012-11-23 16:12:03 <sipa> use a lightweight client if a full client is too heavy for you
624 2012-11-23 16:12:17 <silur> sipa, yes, but I just tested that average VPS - takes like 20 hours to do full blockchain sync.
625 2012-11-23 16:12:21 <sipa> that still requires less trust than just taking whatever a website tells you for granted
626 2012-11-23 16:12:29 <sipa> so? you only need to do that once
627 2012-11-23 16:13:39 <silur> sipa, ok. I was trying to come up with solution suitable for "masses" in complete peer-to-peer way...
628 2012-11-23 16:13:51 <sipa> use bitcoinj
629 2012-11-23 16:14:02 <sipa> bitcoin is designed to run on lightweight nodes
630 2012-11-23 16:14:17 <sipa> the reason you run a bitcoind is because you don't want to trust anyone
631 2012-11-23 16:15:24 <sipa> (and because the network requires people who verify everything)
632 2012-11-23 16:15:32 <t7> is there a bitcoin dev signed blockchain to download manually ?
633 2012-11-23 16:15:39 <Cusipzzz> anyone seen:
634 2012-11-23 16:15:43 <Cusipzzz> EXCEPTION: NSt8ios_base7failureE
635 2012-11-23 16:15:43 <Cusipzzz> ReadCompactSize() : size too large
636 2012-11-23 16:15:44 <Cusipzzz> bitcoin in AppInit()
637 2012-11-23 16:15:46 <sipa> t7: no, and i would never sign one
638 2012-11-23 16:16:10 <sipa> t7: if you mean a pre-indexed chain
639 2012-11-23 16:16:27 <sipa> there's a non-indexed torrent, though
640 2012-11-23 16:16:36 <sipa> which doesn't require trust
641 2012-11-23 16:16:43 <t7> oh so i still verify
642 2012-11-23 16:17:10 <sipa> t7: if you're going to trust one individual to do the indexing for you, you're much better off running a lightweight node
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644 2012-11-23 16:20:08 <Cusipzzz> anyone seen that error ^^  ? i'm sure there are wallets mich bigger
645 2012-11-23 16:20:30 <sipa> Cusipzzz: when does that happen, and is it fatal?
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647 2012-11-23 16:21:49 <Cusipzzz> on starting bitcoind, after loading wallet
648 2012-11-23 16:21:53 <Icoin> i try to compile devcoind.exe for win32, does anyone know what  cpp file i have to use with the command  i586-mingw32msvc-gcc -o makefile.mingw  ?
649 2012-11-23 16:22:12 <Cusipzzz> sipa: after a bitcoind crash
650 2012-11-23 16:23:17 <Cusipzzz> wallet is 13 megs
651 2012-11-23 16:23:31 <sipa> Cusipzzz: outch :s
652 2012-11-23 16:23:48 <Cusipzzz> there is a recent bakcup, but still wonder what hapened
653 2012-11-23 16:24:06 <sipa> Cusipzzz: that shouldn't happen, but BDB sometimes seems to corrupt databases (something which it is supposed to protect against)
654 2012-11-23 16:24:25 <sipa> Cusipzzz: i hope we can migrate away from BDB soon, but there's some implementation work left to do, and a lot of testing
655 2012-11-23 16:24:48 <Cusipzzz> sipa ok thanks, so you thing the crash cirrupted the wallet?
656 2012-11-23 16:24:52 <sipa> yes
657 2012-11-23 16:25:05 <Cusipzzz> thanks
658 2012-11-23 16:25:14 <sipa> you say after loading wallet
659 2012-11-23 16:25:20 <sipa> what is the last line in debug.log?
660 2012-11-23 16:25:55 <Cusipzzz> i pasted the last 3 lines..that happened after Loading wallet...
661 2012-11-23 16:26:04 <sipa> ok
662 2012-11-23 16:26:11 <sipa> yes, then i guess the crash corrupted the wallet
663 2012-11-23 16:26:31 <Cusipzzz> ok... there is no need to -rescan on v7 right, going to restore
664 2012-11-23 16:26:56 <sipa> there hasn't been a need for -rescan since 0.3.21
665 2012-11-23 16:27:03 <Cusipzzz> :) thx
666 2012-11-23 16:27:08 <sipa> though sometimes, it seems it still helps
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675 2012-11-23 16:45:34 <silur> Q: Is running bitcoind through Tor proxy will make it significantly slower to do initial blockchain sync?
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678 2012-11-23 16:50:22 <sipa> somewhat, but since the majority is dominated by local I/O anyway, not so much
679 2012-11-23 16:50:53 <silur> sipa, probably more like initially (first ~70% of block), and less afterwards
680 2012-11-23 16:51:44 <sipa> after block 193k, cpu is the limit
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682 2012-11-23 16:52:53 <sipa> silur: in 0.8, I/O will be a lot less, so things may change
683 2012-11-23 16:54:00 <silur> sipa, thanks
684 2012-11-23 16:54:09 <silur> Are any of you guys on bitcointalk?
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688 2012-11-23 17:05:51 <sparkydsm> Ok so im not really sure what's gong on.  I'm trying to run bitcoind on Ubuntu 12.04
689 2012-11-23 17:06:25 <Cusipzzz> sipa: the auto rescan worked great, just scanned the last 56 blocks in the debug.log
690 2012-11-23 17:06:25 <sparkydsm> But it refuses to load the bitcoin.conf... no matter permissions, running bitcoind as diff user, etc etc
691 2012-11-23 17:07:52 <edcba> different port ?
692 2012-11-23 17:08:13 <sipa> what error?
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696 2012-11-23 17:10:23 <sparkydsm> Error: To use the -server option, you must set a rpcpassword in the configuration file:
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698 2012-11-23 17:13:57 <sparkydsm> Hmm, something to do with 0.7.1
699 2012-11-23 17:14:09 <sparkydsm> It made the file with whatever vers is in ubuntu repos
700 2012-11-23 17:14:22 <sipa> bitcoind doesn't make a config file
701 2012-11-23 17:14:26 <sipa> you have to write it yourself
702 2012-11-23 17:16:17 <silur> Q: If i was to use test net for development - is it enough to run daemon with -testnet, or I also *have* to edit .config?
703 2012-11-23 17:16:41 <sparkydsm> It's made it for me before... multiple times... just did with ubuntu repo vers..
704 2012-11-23 17:17:00 <sipa> sparkydsm: huh?
705 2012-11-23 17:17:14 <sipa> you are talking about ~/.bitcoin/bitcoin.conf, right?
706 2012-11-23 17:17:21 <sparkydsm> It makes the bitcoin.conf file on startup of the program
707 2012-11-23 17:17:42 <sparkydsm> It just did with...3.24 (ubuntu repo)
708 2012-11-23 17:17:56 <sipa> 0.3.24 ...?
709 2012-11-23 17:18:20 <sparkydsm> does it with 0.7.1 on my other ubuntu 12.04 box...but it's a headless server, this is gui... maybe the difference?
710 2012-11-23 17:18:59 <sipa> i know of no code whatsoever that auto-creates a config file
711 2012-11-23 17:19:07 <sipa> if the ubuntu package did so, it must be a local modification
712 2012-11-23 17:19:21 <sparkydsm> Look, guy, im not trying to argue that
713 2012-11-23 17:19:34 <sparkydsm> I can show you proof but that's just silly
714 2012-11-23 17:19:42 <sipa> i'm not saying you're wrong
715 2012-11-23 17:20:03 <sipa> i'm just saying that there's no official code that auto-creates a config file, so if you want one, you need to write it :)
716 2012-11-23 17:20:08 <sparkydsm> no, the 0.7.1 version i download from the place everyone else does, does it too
717 2012-11-23 17:20:37 <sparkydsm> So anyways.... any way to find out why it can't open the file?
718 2012-11-23 17:21:15 <sipa> what does debug.log say?
719 2012-11-23 17:22:06 <sipa> it should tell you which config file it's using, and maybe report some errors if there's problems while parsing it
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721 2012-11-23 17:24:01 <sparkydsm> Hmmmmmmmm
722 2012-11-23 17:24:08 <sparkydsm> I think i may have found the problem
723 2012-11-23 17:24:31 <sparkydsm> Yep.
724 2012-11-23 17:24:43 <sipa> what was it?
725 2012-11-23 17:24:48 <sparkydsm> Ok im a retard here but Im glad I found out what it was
726 2012-11-23 17:25:14 <sparkydsm> copied bitcoind to filesystem when i started.... to install it
727 2012-11-23 17:25:28 <sparkydsm> did it as root, the file was owned by root (bitcoind, not bitcoind.conf)
728 2012-11-23 17:25:46 <sparkydsm> just copied bitcoind to ~/.bitcoin/bitcoind and just ran it from there instead
729 2012-11-23 17:26:08 <sparkydsm> like you said, it did NOT create a file (weird, it did on my headless server same version), but after i did it read it no problems
730 2012-11-23 17:26:30 <sparkydsm> Now to re-download bootstrap.dat and start from beginning
731 2012-11-23 17:26:43 <sparkydsm> since i think i rm'd it in the process lol
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734 2012-11-23 17:31:02 <sparkydsm> Ohthankgoodness.  Works so much faster on this VPS now lol
735 2012-11-23 17:31:25 <sparkydsm> Note to self: Amazon EC2 Disk I/O = Junk =D
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742 2012-11-23 17:37:56 <Icoin> hi folks anyone can give me a hint for the crosscompile command ?
743 2012-11-23 17:38:27 <Icoin> i have it so far by now i586-mingw32msvc-gcc -o makefile.linux.mingw but what do i missing is there an initial cpp file ?
744 2012-11-23 17:39:37 <D34TH> use -f makefile.linux-mingw
745 2012-11-23 17:39:42 <D34TH> might help
746 2012-11-23 17:40:04 <D34TH> oh wait
747 2012-11-23 17:40:07 <D34TH> your not using make
748 2012-11-23 17:40:09 <D34TH> wat
749 2012-11-23 17:40:53 <Icoin> no i use mingwi make
750 2012-11-23 17:41:21 <Icoin> since i try to compile a windows version on ubuntu
751 2012-11-23 17:41:34 <xIsalty> D34TH, he wants cross compile
752 2012-11-23 17:41:37 <D34TH> yea
753 2012-11-23 17:41:45 <D34TH> you still use make
754 2012-11-23 17:42:13 <D34TH> just probably have to play with the makefile abit
755 2012-11-23 17:44:04 <Icoin> yeah but i end up with an error no inital source
756 2012-11-23 17:45:26 <Icoin> no imput file, so i wonder what the initial files for the compilation is used
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777 2012-11-23 18:10:53 <BlueMatt> Luke-Jr: havent had time to work on it (assuming you mean how my builds never match since everyone switched to lxc)
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794 2012-11-23 18:34:37 <Cusipzzz> bitcoind: tpp.c:63: __pthread_tpp_change_priority: Assertion `new_prio == -1 || (new_prio >= __sched_fifo_min_prio && new_prio <= __sched_fifo_max_prio)' failed.
795 2012-11-23 18:34:41 <Cusipzzz> hmm ^^ ?
796 2012-11-23 18:35:29 <Cusipzzz> my bitcoind is cursed today
797 2012-11-23 18:36:05 <sipa> what platform?
798 2012-11-23 18:36:13 <Cusipzzz> ubuntu
799 2012-11-23 18:36:27 <sipa> ok, when?
800 2012-11-23 18:37:32 <Cusipzzz> just now. did a wallet restore and sync, worked ok, then crashed out with that error
801 2012-11-23 18:38:01 <Cusipzzz> 7.0
802 2012-11-23 18:39:23 <Cusipzzz> other nodes are fine, so maybe something with the vm
803 2012-11-23 18:39:34 <Icoin> guys who does usualy the binary compilation for bitcoin ?
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812 2012-11-23 18:47:39 <Cusipzzz> sipa: restarted ok. weird
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829 2012-11-23 19:36:16 <sipa> jgarzik: i have a patched node (head + some pullreqs) that was serving blocks to another -connect'ed node and segfaulted
830 2012-11-23 19:36:26 <sipa> jgarzik: i suspect one of your tx optimization patches
831 2012-11-23 19:37:58 <sipa> eh, network optimization
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834 2012-11-23 19:50:46 <silur> Q: Why is getbalance() returns 0, but client shows 10.00 ? (testnet)
835 2012-11-23 19:54:18 <sipa> does it say immature balance?
836 2012-11-23 19:54:54 <silur> sipa, actually it's via API call... getbalance()
837 2012-11-23 19:55:05 <sipa> in the gui i mean
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840 2012-11-23 19:55:47 <silur> sipa, no just amount 10.00
841 2012-11-23 19:55:50 <silur> nothing else much
842 2012-11-23 19:55:58 <sipa> strange
843 2012-11-23 19:58:54 <silur> bitcoind getbalance mxFu6jntL5Bvmj7vNCwR1oEYynZHk14k5A  == 0.00000000  , GUI shows 10.00
844 2012-11-23 19:59:32 <silur> These are 10.00 testnet coins DE43TH sent me yesterday
845 2012-11-23 20:00:26 <sipa> the parameter to getbalance is an account name, not an address
846 2012-11-23 20:01:52 <silur> sipa, oh thanks
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860 2012-11-23 21:20:42 <silur> Q: is it a valid testing to send coins from account to account in the same wallet? sendfrom() succeeded, but after half an hour - number of confirmations are still 0 (testnet)
861 2012-11-23 21:21:20 <sipa> someone needs to be mining
862 2012-11-23 21:21:26 <sipa> testnet is often without miners
863 2012-11-23 21:21:33 <sipa> but yes, valid way for testing
864 2012-11-23 21:22:11 <silur> Also - with real bitcoins - is it possible to automate fee calculations via API?
865 2012-11-23 21:22:29 <sipa> not really
866 2012-11-23 21:22:50 <silur> The logic is: send "everything" from wallet to outside account and pay whatever fee that makes sense....
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869 2012-11-23 21:34:28 <sipa> ;;bc,blocks
870 2012-11-23 21:34:29 <gribble> 209260
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884 2012-11-23 22:25:00 <Luke-Jr> amiller_: oh btw, here's the link I mentioned the other day: http://176.9.18.83:5984/buddy-clock/_design/site/_list/show/by_tz
885 2012-11-23 22:25:41 <amiller_> very good.
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