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  8 2012-11-25 00:25:19 <Luke-Jr> TD: I think you mean 1.50? 1.5 is very old
  9 2012-11-25 00:25:34 <TD> yeah
 10 2012-11-25 00:28:54 <Luke-Jr> sipa: you available?
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 15 2012-11-25 01:00:51 <BlueMatt> TD akaik for the most part, no
 16 2012-11-25 01:01:28 <TD> since upgrading to mountain lion i can't compile bitcoin anymore :(
 17 2012-11-25 01:01:44 <TD> i get errors from boost
 18 2012-11-25 01:02:03 <BlueMatt> Mac...
 19 2012-11-25 01:02:42 <BlueMatt> Maybe ask gavin?
 20 2012-11-25 01:03:32 <Diablo-D3> nope
 21 2012-11-25 01:03:33 <Diablo-D3> its boost.
 22 2012-11-25 01:03:42 <Diablo-D3> boost is a collossal pile of shit
 23 2012-11-25 01:03:45 <Diablo-D3> and it needs to die forever
 24 2012-11-25 01:05:06 <maaku> TD: try switching compilers
 25 2012-11-25 01:05:28 <Diablo-D3> maaku: he cant
 26 2012-11-25 01:05:30 <Diablo-D3> hes on a mac
 27 2012-11-25 01:05:33 <Diablo-D3> theres no more osx gcc
 28 2012-11-25 01:05:39 <maaku> yes, there is
 29 2012-11-25 01:05:46 <Diablo-D3> not an apple build, no
 30 2012-11-25 01:05:55 <maaku> i'm on a mac too; you can switch gcc versions
 31 2012-11-25 01:06:02 <Diablo-D3> nope.
 32 2012-11-25 01:06:05 <Diablo-D3> its now clang only
 33 2012-11-25 01:06:21 <maaku> my own powerbook begs to differ
 34 2012-11-25 01:06:21 <Diablo-D3> you can build your own version using upstream's osx arch support
 35 2012-11-25 01:06:31 <Diablo-D3> powerbook? you're on 10.4 or 10.5
 36 2012-11-25 01:06:36 <Diablo-D3> this happend in 10.6? 7?
 37 2012-11-25 01:06:57 <maaku> s/powerbook/macbook/
 38 2012-11-25 01:07:01 <maaku> dude just google it
 39 2012-11-25 01:07:03 <maaku> it's easy to do
 40 2012-11-25 01:07:11 <Diablo-D3> I dont have to google it, Im well aware of the problem.
 41 2012-11-25 01:07:19 <Diablo-D3> apple no longer ships builds of gcc.
 42 2012-11-25 01:07:52 <Diablo-D3> if bitcoin cannot build out of the box on clang in 10.8, then its a bug
 43 2012-11-25 01:08:01 <Diablo-D3> "install gcc" is not an acceptable fix
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 46 2012-11-25 01:12:28 <TD> well, i'd accept it
 47 2012-11-25 01:12:52 <TD> i'm not sure what the issue is here, a bit tired to debug. boost itself seems to have compiled OK but the Portfile for it is intense
 48 2012-11-25 01:13:02 <Diablo-D3> td: its boost
 49 2012-11-25 01:13:03 <TD> it could be they're using magic switches or something to make it work
 50 2012-11-25 01:13:06 <Diablo-D3> it _does_ shit like this
 51 2012-11-25 01:13:09 <TD> heh
 52 2012-11-25 01:13:19 <TD> it's at times like this i appreciate the java world a bit more
 53 2012-11-25 01:13:31 <TD> the actual error is this one
 54 2012-11-25 01:13:38 <TD>   opt/local/include/boost/exception/info.hpp:117: error: explicit instantiation of ‘std::basic_ostream<_CharT, _Traits>& std::operator<<(std::basic_ostream<_CharT, _Traits>&, const std::basic_string<_CharT, _Traits, _Alloc>&) [with _CharT = char, _Traits = std::char_traits<char>, _Alloc = std::allocator<char>]’ but no definition available
 55 2012-11-25 01:13:38 <Diablo-D3> yeah, but java has its own bullshit
 56 2012-11-25 01:13:42 <TD> it does
 57 2012-11-25 01:13:53 <TD> random toolchain explosions are rather rare though
 58 2012-11-25 01:13:59 <Diablo-D3> like, how every library I want to use usually is not in the fucking main maven repo
 59 2012-11-25 01:14:37 * TD remembers the days when he expected to actually download and install the libraries he used
 60 2012-11-25 01:14:59 <Diablo-D3> fuck that, that leads to shit like third party jars in version control
 61 2012-11-25 01:15:00 <Diablo-D3> do not want
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 63 2012-11-25 01:22:43 <sipa> TD: no blocking bugs in any case
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 65 2012-11-25 01:23:32 <sipa> TD: but i discovered that lingering of conflicting transactions in the mempool due to some error line appearing in debug.log post-ultraprune, for exampe
 66 2012-11-25 01:24:05 <sipa> TD: and there may be a need for a cache of recently spent transactions, to block them from entering the mempool again on retransmit
 67 2012-11-25 01:24:36 <sipa> TD: also, -checkblocks needs to be adapted (only a very reduced form of checking is implemented now)
 68 2012-11-25 01:24:42 <TD> ok
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 81 2012-11-25 01:46:42 <sipa> TD: and indeed, it seems p2pool filters the current bitcoind warning against using it for mining or business away
 82 2012-11-25 01:47:06 <TD> deliberate?
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 84 2012-11-25 01:47:14 <sipa> yes
 85 2012-11-25 01:47:53 <sipa> forrestv: i really hope there's no more potentially-forking bugs left...
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 90 2012-11-25 02:10:39 <Luke-Jr> sipa: I'm going to need some review of my rebase of #1647 if you're available
 91 2012-11-25 02:10:47 <Luke-Jr> (not done just yet)
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 95 2012-11-25 02:15:19 <D34TH> sipa: stupid question, why has noone attempted base64 coin yet?
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105 2012-11-25 02:41:13 <forrestv> sipa, with the way p2pool displays warnings, it was overly annoying. it's different than other warnings from bitcoind in that it's a result of your actions instead of network events
106 2012-11-25 02:41:25 <forrestv> (p2pool spams them to the console every 3 seconds)
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108 2012-11-25 02:45:43 <mhiku> where can i see a documentation how to build headless bitcoind
109 2012-11-25 02:46:11 <mhiku> makefile.unix is not working
110 2012-11-25 02:50:56 <weex> mhiku: what unix you trying?
111 2012-11-25 02:56:40 <D34TH> mhiku, whats the error
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113 2012-11-25 02:59:25 <mhiku> ubuntu
114 2012-11-25 02:59:49 <mhiku> im compiling ubuntu.. the readme is not helpful enough, its just said the dependencies
115 2012-11-25 03:00:06 <sipa> i'm sure it doesn't say "Error: ubuntu"
116 2012-11-25 03:00:34 <sipa> mhiku: it's probably something trivial, but you're going to need to tell us what error you get
117 2012-11-25 03:01:38 <sipa> forrestv: well i kinda liked that... there have been serious bugs in it before, so i'm not very confortable with a lot of mining power on git head now
118 2012-11-25 03:01:44 <sipa> D34TH: eh?
119 2012-11-25 03:01:48 <sipa> Luke-Jr: not now
120 2012-11-25 03:02:00 <D34TH> sipa: stupidity at its finest base64coin
121 2012-11-25 03:02:01 <D34TH> :3
122 2012-11-25 03:02:12 <sipa> i'm not sure what you mean
123 2012-11-25 03:02:22 <D34TH> instead of sha256
124 2012-11-25 03:02:23 <forrestv> sipa, well the warning only shows once it's already installed ... i doubt it would cause them to downgrade
125 2012-11-25 03:02:41 <sipa> forrestv: good point
126 2012-11-25 03:02:52 <sipa> D34TH: base64 is not a hash function...
127 2012-11-25 03:02:57 <D34TH> yes
128 2012-11-25 03:02:58 <D34TH> i know
129 2012-11-25 03:03:27 <sipa> so what would base64coin be?
130 2012-11-25 03:03:53 <D34TH> no idea
131 2012-11-25 03:03:58 <sipa> ,,,
132 2012-11-25 03:03:58 <gribble> Error: "," is not a valid command.
133 2012-11-25 03:04:09 <D34TH> just a deformation of an idea in my brain
134 2012-11-25 03:06:13 <Luke-Jr> sipa: I think TNIAB is broken on master :<
135 2012-11-25 03:06:31 <Luke-Jr> GBT yields error: {"code":-10,"message":"Bitcoin is downloading blocks…"}
136 2012-11-25 03:06:39 <Luke-Jr> (neither node has any blocks)
137 2012-11-25 03:06:40 <sipa> Luke-Jr: is it even updated to use testnet3 ?
138 2012-11-25 03:06:54 <Luke-Jr> sipa: I use my own TNIAB script; I am referring to the theory of it :P
139 2012-11-25 03:07:07 <Luke-Jr> 2 nodes connected only to each other
140 2012-11-25 03:07:11 <sipa> ok
141 2012-11-25 03:07:54 <Luke-Jr> hmm, it didn't even try to import the old testnet3 blocks either
142 2012-11-25 03:07:57 <Luke-Jr> should it?
143 2012-11-25 03:08:43 <D34TH> TNIAB?
144 2012-11-25 03:08:52 <sipa> without any blocks, it's sure to think it's in IBD, no?
145 2012-11-25 03:09:05 <sipa> that's before the (only) testnet checkpoint
146 2012-11-25 03:10:27 <Luke-Jr> -loadblock doesn't seem to work either :/
147 2012-11-25 03:11:06 <sipa> what happens?
148 2012-11-25 03:11:23 <Luke-Jr> Importing .bitcoin/testnet3/blk0001.dat...
149 2012-11-25 03:11:25 <Luke-Jr> ERROR: ProcessBlock() : already have block 0 000000000933ea01ad0ee984209779baaec3ced90fa3f408719526f8d77f4943
150 2012-11-25 03:11:53 <sipa> ok, and then?
151 2012-11-25 03:12:10 <Luke-Jr> Flushed 0 addresses to peers.dat  79ms
152 2012-11-25 03:12:41 <sipa> strange
153 2012-11-25 03:13:23 <Luke-Jr> indeed
154 2012-11-25 03:14:19 <sipa> does importing from that file work on 0.7.1?
155 2012-11-25 03:15:16 <Luke-Jr> odd, running it in gdb seems to be working :/
156 2012-11-25 03:15:44 <sipa> now that is even more strange
157 2012-11-25 03:15:49 <Luke-Jr> sipa: didn't try, 0.7.1 made it
158 2012-11-25 03:17:05 <sipa> maybe it just worked a second time?
159 2012-11-25 03:17:15 <Luke-Jr> I tried at least 3 times before gdb
160 2012-11-25 03:17:34 <sipa> ok
161 2012-11-25 03:18:22 <Luke-Jr> seems to work now, sigh
162 2012-11-25 03:18:35 <Luke-Jr> well, except it still thinks it is downloading blocks
163 2012-11-25 03:18:37 <Luke-Jr> :/
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165 2012-11-25 03:18:55 <sipa> how many blocks does it have?
166 2012-11-25 03:20:10 <Luke-Jr>     "blocks" : 21852,
167 2012-11-25 03:20:29 <sipa> IsInitialBlockDownload seems to return true if the last block is more than 24h old
168 2012-11-25 03:20:53 <Luke-Jr> bleh
169 2012-11-25 03:21:04 <Luke-Jr> that seems like a bad rule for testnet at least
170 2012-11-25 03:21:08 <sipa> maybe we need to special-case that for testnet
171 2012-11-25 03:21:15 <Luke-Jr> but even for mainnet….
172 2012-11-25 03:21:22 <Luke-Jr> do we really want a deadlock condition?
173 2012-11-25 03:21:28 <sipa> how so?
174 2012-11-25 03:21:48 <Luke-Jr> if hashpower ever drops to the point where an unlucky round is > 24 hours, we're dead
175 2012-11-25 03:21:49 <sipa> ah, no mining permitted while in IBD
176 2012-11-25 03:21:56 <Luke-Jr> right
177 2012-11-25 03:22:12 * sipa thinks the only solution is headers-first mode
178 2012-11-25 03:23:20 <Luke-Jr> I think it's a bug if mining is prevented by any condition that amounts to "no blocks found recently"
179 2012-11-25 03:24:25 <rdponticelli> <sipa> TD: no blocking bugs in any case << Wait a little, I may have catched something...
180 2012-11-25 03:24:56 <rdponticelli> A node of mine got filled with: ERROR: mempool transaction missing input
181 2012-11-25 03:25:01 <rdponticelli> And then died
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183 2012-11-25 03:26:08 <sipa> rdponticelli: yes, already on it
184 2012-11-25 03:26:16 <rdponticelli> Ok
185 2012-11-25 03:26:37 <rdponticelli> Yeah, iirc knotwork reported something like that?
186 2012-11-25 03:27:22 <sipa> it's related to the orphans-in-mempool problem, but just saw valgrind detect an illegal memory access in that case too
187 2012-11-25 03:27:31 <sipa> which means it's likely to cause crashes
188 2012-11-25 03:28:20 <rdponticelli> Yeah, mine crashed after spamming it hard
189 2012-11-25 03:28:25 <knotwork> yes it did crash eventually thats what made me look and log and see that error had been logged many many many times
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191 2012-11-25 03:29:33 <Luke-Jr> wow, someone actually managed to get a medical condition from bitcoin
192 2012-11-25 03:29:37 <Luke-Jr> http://belial.pt/wp/en/permanent-brain-damage-from-bitcoin-mining/
193 2012-11-25 03:32:10 <sipa> isn't that like a year old?
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195 2012-11-25 03:36:21 <Luke-Jr> sipa: maybe, but news to me! :P
196 2012-11-25 03:38:13 <Luke-Jr> sipa: reckon we should remove /P2SH/ from coinbaseaux now that we DoS non-conformant peers?
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240 2012-11-25 05:26:43 <Luke-Jr> bah, even with LevelDB, IBD is slow
241 2012-11-25 05:33:37 <D34TH> hella quick for me
242 2012-11-25 05:34:20 <jgarzik> Luke-Jr: restart with new peer
243 2012-11-25 05:34:29 <jgarzik> Luke-Jr: lather, rinse, repeat, until you get a fast one
244 2012-11-25 05:34:47 <Luke-Jr> jgarzik: restarted with old blk files copied and -reindex <.<
245 2012-11-25 05:34:56 <jgarzik> that works too ;p
246 2012-11-25 05:34:59 <Luke-Jr> btw, since when is blk0002 almost 2 GB already? :/
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249 2012-11-25 05:38:28 <jgarzik> woah, over $12.50!
250 2012-11-25 05:39:02 * jgarzik 's entire house was hit by The Plague, and has been out of touch for several days
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252 2012-11-25 05:41:16 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: 1) what is the current bloom BIP URL?
253 2012-11-25 05:41:33 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: 2) have we allocated a nServices bit for this featureset?  If not, we should.
254 2012-11-25 05:42:53 <jgarzik> any to anybody...
255 2012-11-25 05:42:56 <jgarzik> *and
256 2012-11-25 05:43:07 <jgarzik> Anyone willing to provide a build output for picocoin on OSX?
257 2012-11-25 05:43:19 * jgarzik wants to make sure it builds there
258 2012-11-25 05:44:11 <Luke-Jr> jgarzik: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BIP_0037 ?
259 2012-11-25 05:44:39 <jgarzik> Luke-Jr: tnx
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362 2012-11-25 10:01:15 <Luke-Jr> [09:43:35] <Luke-Jr> BLOCK
363 2012-11-25 10:01:17 <Luke-Jr> [09:44:36] <ljrbot> Blk 0000000000000068fc5230e0d53aa8a05593ba6120cc2285aa0fd771a71a6667: Eligius-Ra 3.46963522 BTC, 1Ap6ms2Wsa6CK684B6t9CEd8yL8baCVutu 2.791404 BTC, 1PPy3wcq2CFu7znFRgeBUGtN5oWpChQvCo 1.69098832 BTC, 14E1qRCTaB8AFTrarcoQUoLqYi6KxNxaNV 1.35219112 BTC, 16kNKa7WUg8QAPFy8dJRv7USSu2fAG2pkW 1.15198468 BTC
364 2012-11-25 10:01:20 <Luke-Jr> I type faster than Bitcoin can relay!
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375 2012-11-25 10:19:26 <robbak> At least you past faster.
376 2012-11-25 10:19:31 <robbak> paste*
377 2012-11-25 10:21:29 <Luke-Jr> paste what?
378 2012-11-25 10:22:08 <Luke-Jr> even if I happened to have "BLOCK" on my clipboard, I was over a full minute earlier.
379 2012-11-25 10:24:15 <robbak> Can we please get the 0.7.2 tree pasted back to github? I manage the FreeBSD port, and It is fixed to the github downloads. I'd rather not rework it to gitorious for this (one?) release.
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382 2012-11-25 10:27:41 <robbak> (Ah, I now worked out what you were saying. Yes, block was slow at gettign back to you!)
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397 2012-11-25 10:45:47 <sipa> Luke-Jr: IBD is slow... from network or from disk?
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399 2012-11-25 10:46:05 <Luke-Jr> sipa: from disk
400 2012-11-25 10:46:11 <Luke-Jr> and network
401 2012-11-25 10:46:14 <Luke-Jr> slower from netwrok
402 2012-11-25 10:46:14 <abrkn> someone please fix block explorer
403 2012-11-25 10:46:16 <sipa> how long did it take you?
404 2012-11-25 10:46:20 <sipa> abrkn: poke theymos
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406 2012-11-25 10:46:45 <Luke-Jr> sipa: -reindex took about 5 hours
407 2012-11-25 10:46:45 <abrkn> gribble: later tell theymos that blockexplorer hasnt been working for days
408 2012-11-25 10:46:48 <Luke-Jr> network, I didn't let finish
409 2012-11-25 10:46:51 <abrkn> ;;later tell theymos that blockexplorer hasnt been working for days
410 2012-11-25 10:46:52 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
411 2012-11-25 10:46:57 <sipa> Luke-Jr: slow CPU?
412 2012-11-25 10:47:03 <Luke-Jr> sipa: not at all
413 2012-11-25 10:47:08 <Luke-Jr> i5-2400
414 2012-11-25 10:47:08 <sipa> Luke-Jr: or was the CPU not busy?
415 2012-11-25 10:47:17 <Luke-Jr> CPU maxed out 1 core IIRC
416 2012-11-25 10:47:22 <sipa> ok, perfect
417 2012-11-25 10:47:38 <sipa> so it's just script verification that's slow
418 2012-11-25 10:48:59 <sipa> though iirc, it was faster last time i tried it
419 2012-11-25 10:55:40 <_dr> why isn't verification multi-threaded?
420 2012-11-25 10:55:51 <sipa> because nobody implemented that yet
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422 2012-11-25 10:59:07 <_dr> any particular reason like not a priority or too complex to due dependencies during verification?
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424 2012-11-25 10:59:50 <Luke-Jr> indeed, deps woudl make it more complex
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426 2012-11-25 11:00:51 <sipa> _dr: mostly because of how the code is structured
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428 2012-11-25 11:01:09 <sipa> part of the changes i made in ultraprune are to make parallel verification easier in the future
429 2012-11-25 11:01:18 <_dr> Luke-Jr: i thought so, tho i think a simple 'one-block-in-parallel' should work, right?
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431 2012-11-25 11:01:52 <sipa> (i actually implemented parallel script verification, and it helped a lot, but there were some segfaults sometimes, and i wanted to solve it in a different way)
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435 2012-11-25 11:02:43 <sipa> _dr: the way it worked was by pushing script-verification-actions on a queue, and allowing normal block processing to continue while the signatures were verified in the background by several threads
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437 2012-11-25 11:05:04 <_dr> yeah, that sounds like the ovious way to go
438 2012-11-25 11:05:11 <Luke-Jr> _dr: not easily.
439 2012-11-25 11:06:38 <_dr> i wonder when openmp4 will be out, they want to support something like icc's #pragma offload for the intel mic, that way a gpu could transparently kick in for the compute-intensive stuff
440 2012-11-25 11:07:12 <sipa> the hardest part is dealing with failed verifications, because at that point, you're already busy processing successor blocks
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442 2012-11-25 11:08:55 <Luke-Jr> sipa: probably want to cancel processing rejected blocks too
443 2012-11-25 11:10:21 <sipa> ?
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446 2012-11-25 11:12:25 <Luke-Jr> sipa: if a block's been shoved out of the chain, no point verifying it
447 2012-11-25 11:12:41 <sipa> Luke-Jr: oh, sure
448 2012-11-25 11:13:18 <sipa> the way i now plan to implement it is different: have a separate thread that finds the first block in the best chain that was not verified, and process that
449 2012-11-25 11:14:13 <sipa> i realized that you don't actually need to keep all information in memory, as the rev*.dat files contain all the consumed outputs
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452 2012-11-25 11:22:39 <sipa> rdponticelli, knotwork: can you try with #2033 applied?
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460 2012-11-25 13:15:35 <abrkn> how does blockchain.info work? custom or rpc?
461 2012-11-25 13:20:11 <Luke-Jr> custom
462 2012-11-25 13:21:05 <xIsalty> rpc
463 2012-11-25 13:28:00 <sipa> definitely custom
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466 2012-11-25 13:31:55 <xIsalty> neither
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478 2012-11-25 14:15:00 <abrkn> hmm, https://github.com/freewil/node-bitcoin doesnt do ssl
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484 2012-11-25 14:27:35 <thermoman> oops
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524 2012-11-25 16:59:55 <Diablo-D3> so when is the leveldb code being released in a stable release?
525 2012-11-25 16:59:58 <forrestv> the order of transactions in a block is completely unimportant unless they have interdependencies, and then dependencies must come first
526 2012-11-25 17:00:00 <forrestv> is that correct?
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529 2012-11-25 17:03:34 <Diablo-D3> gmaxwell, sipa: are we supposed to have blk0003.dats already?
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533 2012-11-25 17:09:17 <jgarzik> forrestv: a good question
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537 2012-11-25 17:09:40 <jgarzik> forrestv: I always queued the ones without dependencies, and processed them in a set of progressive passes over a block
538 2012-11-25 17:10:02 <jgarzik> would be nice if that code were not needed
539 2012-11-25 17:10:09 <jgarzik> and a single pass was guaranteed
540 2012-11-25 17:13:34 <sipa> Diablo-D3: when 0.8 is ready, and there is some work left
541 2012-11-25 17:14:06 <sipa> forrestv: order indeed doesn't matter apart from dependenciew, and that the coinbase must be first
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558 2012-11-25 17:52:17 <maaku> D34TH: what's a base64 coin?
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570 2012-11-25 18:31:42 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: it has not yet been updated for sipa's partial merkle branch stuff
571 2012-11-25 18:32:09 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: the way its implemented now, a protocol version bump indicates support for filters, not a nServices bit
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573 2012-11-25 18:33:07 <BlueMatt> (the argument being that bloom filters are relatively easy to implement and cost no additional load aside form serving blocks in general, so there will not be nodes which serve blocks but not filters
574 2012-11-25 18:35:14 <pjorrit_> maaku: it's like rot13 coin but less obvious
575 2012-11-25 18:36:17 <maaku> ah ok. i thought he was talking about base64 addresses or something like that
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581 2012-11-25 18:43:14 <D34TH> maaku, deformation of an idea in my head
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592 2012-11-25 18:58:26 <Amit_btc> Is it safe to assume that output = (Public key hash, index, amount)?
593 2012-11-25 18:58:52 <Amit_btc> and that input = (prev tx output, public key, signature)
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601 2012-11-25 19:15:28 <sipa> Amit_btc: true for standard pay-to-pubkeyhash transactions
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603 2012-11-25 19:15:59 <sipa> Amit_btc: but e.g. not for pay-to-pubkey or pay-to-scripthash or multisig transactions
604 2012-11-25 19:17:02 <Amit_btc> pay to pub key seems to be a variant of pay to pubkey hash
605 2012-11-25 19:18:24 <Amit_btc> how exactly does pay-to-script-hash work? does it also require a signature at some point?
606 2012-11-25 19:21:02 <Luke-Jr> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BIP_0016
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621 2012-11-25 20:14:11 <Luke-Jr> BlueMatt: any chance of getting a rebased bloom? :/
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623 2012-11-25 20:29:44 <sipa> BlueMatt: i probably broke bloom because of the CBlockHeader split
624 2012-11-25 20:29:50 <sipa> should be trivial to fix
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628 2012-11-25 20:34:25 <Luke-Jr> sipa: I hope my trivial fix works XD
629 2012-11-25 20:34:43 <Luke-Jr> instead of SERHEADERONLY or whatever it was, I serialized .GetBlockHeader()
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648 2012-11-25 21:19:38 <Diablo-D3> hrm
649 2012-11-25 21:19:46 <Diablo-D3> I do believe my client has gone insane
650 2012-11-25 21:19:53 <Diablo-D3> -rw-r--r--   1 diablo diablo 2097199095 Jul 10 04:14 blk0001.dat
651 2012-11-25 21:19:53 <Diablo-D3> -rw-------   1 diablo diablo 2097154344 Nov 25 11:48 blk0002.dat
652 2012-11-25 21:19:53 <Diablo-D3> -rw-------   1 diablo diablo 1750038350 Nov 25 16:05 blk0003.dat
653 2012-11-25 21:19:53 <Diablo-D3> -rw-------   1 diablo diablo  649342976 Nov 25 16:05 blkindex.dat
654 2012-11-25 21:25:29 <sipa> Luke-Jr: exactly
655 2012-11-25 21:25:37 <Diablo-D3> what did he say?
656 2012-11-25 21:26:12 <sipa> Diablo-D3: did you at some point delete blkindex.dat without deleting the rest, or used -loadblock on your own datafiles?
657 2012-11-25 21:26:21 <Diablo-D3> sipa: no but
658 2012-11-25 21:26:30 <Diablo-D3> the power plug got lose on my hd
659 2012-11-25 21:26:40 <Diablo-D3> and I had to fsck manually on boot
660 2012-11-25 21:26:53 <Diablo-D3> so I think Im going to do a wallet.dat save and start again
661 2012-11-25 21:27:30 <sipa> meh, i hope that such problems are gone when we ditch bdb
662 2012-11-25 21:27:42 <Luke-Jr> sipa: I think LevelDB is less rsync-backup-friendly than bdb was :/
663 2012-11-25 21:27:46 <Diablo-D3> Im going to cheat though
664 2012-11-25 21:27:56 <Diablo-D3> put .bitcoin in /run/shm
665 2012-11-25 21:27:58 <sipa> Luke-Jr: much more so
666 2012-11-25 21:28:04 <sipa> Luke-Jr: it has immutable files
667 2012-11-25 21:28:13 <Luke-Jr> sipa: but they get replaced so often
668 2012-11-25 21:28:19 <sipa> yes
669 2012-11-25 21:28:19 <Luke-Jr> the .sst ones
670 2012-11-25 21:28:38 <sipa> how is that unfriendly?
671 2012-11-25 21:28:40 <Diablo-D3> 209566 blocks remaining
672 2012-11-25 21:28:43 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,blocks
673 2012-11-25 21:28:44 <gribble> 209566
674 2012-11-25 21:28:47 <Diablo-D3> :D
675 2012-11-25 21:28:48 <Luke-Jr> sipa: rsync has to delete and copy
676 2012-11-25 21:29:16 <sipa> but the files that didn't change won't need any update at all
677 2012-11-25 21:29:39 <Luke-Jr> maybe, but bdb's files never took as long as these .sst ones do :P
678 2012-11-25 21:30:02 <Diablo-D3> hrm wonder how long its going to take to start block download
679 2012-11-25 21:30:42 <sipa> Luke-Jr: meh, minor inconvenience compared to all advantages
680 2012-11-25 21:30:44 <Diablo-D3> wait there it goes
681 2012-11-25 21:31:06 <Diablo-D3> 200k to go
682 2012-11-25 21:31:41 <Luke-Jr> sipa: fair enough. I suppose I shouldn't be backing up this leveldb stuff anyhow
683 2012-11-25 21:31:43 <Diablo-D3> 190k to go
684 2012-11-25 21:32:16 <Diablo-D3> 180k to go
685 2012-11-25 21:33:03 <Diablo-D3> 170k to go
686 2012-11-25 21:33:50 <sipa> Luke-Jr: btw, the main purpose of my block dl proposal is not preventing duplicate downloads, it is making it resilient against connectiin failures and other stuff that messes up the ibd process
687 2012-11-25 21:34:22 <sipa> Diablo-D3: slow
688 2012-11-25 21:34:41 <Diablo-D3> very, its stuck in the 160ks
689 2012-11-25 21:35:01 <Diablo-D3> GET ON WITH IT
690 2012-11-25 21:35:09 <sipa> i usually get around 130k blocks in two minutes when importing from disk
691 2012-11-25 21:35:17 <Diablo-D3> sipa: 3mbps internet
692 2012-11-25 21:35:27 <sipa> well, ibd is broken anyhow
693 2012-11-25 21:35:31 <sipa> from network
694 2012-11-25 21:35:57 <sipa> well, not broken, but the hack that used to work becomes more and more apparent
695 2012-11-25 21:36:49 <Diablo-D3> 160k
696 2012-11-25 21:37:46 <Luke-Jr> sigh, spam has killed voip
697 2012-11-25 21:38:08 <sipa> ?
698 2012-11-25 21:39:06 <Luke-Jr> sipa: every other day, some spammer floods my phones with 100 concurrent dead calls for 5-15 minutes straight
699 2012-11-25 21:39:08 <Diablo-D3> 150k
700 2012-11-25 21:40:17 <Luke-Jr> sipa: what's the current status of master interoperability with older clients?
701 2012-11-25 21:41:00 <Diablo-D3> 140k
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703 2012-11-25 21:41:28 <Diablo-D3> /run/shm is now 101mb
704 2012-11-25 21:42:05 <sipa> Luke-Jr: define interoperability
705 2012-11-25 21:42:21 <Luke-Jr> sipa: switching between using 0.7 and master on the same datadir
706 2012-11-25 21:42:36 <sipa> Luke-Jr: works, they just don't use the same data files
707 2012-11-25 21:42:44 <Luke-Jr> sipa: except for wallet?
708 2012-11-25 21:42:46 <sipa> Luke-Jr: except for peers.dat and wallet.dat
709 2012-11-25 21:43:04 <Diablo-D3> 130k
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712 2012-11-25 21:43:29 <Luke-Jr> sipa: reckon it'd be wise for me to hack in next-test a: if(blk00000.dat doesn't exist) copy old blk⁇⁇.dat files and enable -reindex automatically ?
713 2012-11-25 21:43:37 <Diablo-D3> now 144m
714 2012-11-25 21:43:55 <sipa> Luke-Jr: if you do, make it a pullreq
715 2012-11-25 21:44:03 <Luke-Jr> sipa: even for a hack? :/
716 2012-11-25 21:44:10 <sipa> oh, you want to copy, not move
717 2012-11-25 21:44:31 <sipa> makes sense
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719 2012-11-25 21:45:54 <Diablo-D3> 120k
720 2012-11-25 21:46:01 <Diablo-D3> 117m... wat
721 2012-11-25 21:46:30 <Diablo-D3> I wonder if its compacting the db automatically
722 2012-11-25 21:46:35 <sipa> yes
723 2012-11-25 21:46:47 <sipa> every time the write log gets full
724 2012-11-25 21:47:02 <sipa> by default it is capped to 100 MB
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726 2012-11-25 21:48:03 <Diablo-D3> 110k left
727 2012-11-25 21:48:09 <Diablo-D3> 181m
728 2012-11-25 21:48:16 <Diablo-D3> first 100k are done
729 2012-11-25 21:48:33 <sipa> yeah i know how painfully slow it is
730 2012-11-25 21:48:46 <Diablo-D3> yeah but its funny how little Ive downloaded
731 2012-11-25 21:48:58 <Diablo-D3> first 100k only used like 150mb on disk
732 2012-11-25 21:49:09 <sipa> i almost forgot, until i tried a full sync on 0.7.1 via -connect=127.0.0.1
733 2012-11-25 21:50:20 <sipa> Diablo-D3: feel free to try git head though, it should be significantly faster
734 2012-11-25 21:50:37 <Diablo-D3> 100k left, 205m
735 2012-11-25 21:50:45 <Diablo-D3> sipa: well, Ive never done this in a ramdisk before
736 2012-11-25 21:50:51 <Diablo-D3> it usually takes MUUUUUUUUUUUCH longer
737 2012-11-25 21:52:22 <sipa> even so early?
738 2012-11-25 21:52:35 <Diablo-D3> yes
739 2012-11-25 21:52:41 <Diablo-D3> last time I rebuilt db was like 100k blocks ago
740 2012-11-25 21:52:46 <Diablo-D3> and it'd still take like a day
741 2012-11-25 21:53:07 <sipa> well, at least from disk, i import 140k blocks in 3 minutes on git head
742 2012-11-25 21:53:27 <sipa> from network it's obviously slower
743 2012-11-25 21:56:31 <Diablo-D3> 90k left, 259m
744 2012-11-25 21:57:13 <sipa> what isbthat blk000*.dat, blkindex.dat, database/, ..., all together?
745 2012-11-25 21:57:23 <Diablo-D3> yeah
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747 2012-11-25 21:57:30 <Diablo-D3> and peers.dat and wallet.dat which are like 10 megs
748 2012-11-25 21:57:35 <sipa> ok
749 2012-11-25 21:57:52 <Diablo-D3> oh and debug.log
750 2012-11-25 21:57:55 <Diablo-D3> so thats like 20 megs
751 2012-11-25 21:58:07 <Diablo-D3> so whatever I say minus now 31 megs
752 2012-11-25 21:58:24 <Diablo-D3> fucking debug.log spam, its nuts
753 2012-11-25 21:59:37 <Diablo-D3> damnit, its stuck again
754 2012-11-25 22:00:12 <w0mbat> Does anybody else experience deadlock problems with BitcoinJ while listening for incoming transactions and sending new ones?
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756 2012-11-25 22:08:50 <Amit_btc> so when a client keeps a pool of unverified transactions, does it use tx id to add/remove from the pool, or does it also checks contents
757 2012-11-25 22:09:14 <Amit_btc> e.g tx is verified
758 2012-11-25 22:09:42 <Amit_btc> (my question is if two different tx with same id are there, how to handle that)
759 2012-11-25 22:09:54 <Diablo-D3> 80k left, 432m used
760 2012-11-25 22:10:09 <Amit_btc> or its not possible
761 2012-11-25 22:11:31 <Diablo-D3> 532 days ago lol
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765 2012-11-25 22:16:11 <Diablo-D3> sipa: huh
766 2012-11-25 22:16:19 <Diablo-D3> its downloading slowly but it hasnt halted
767 2012-11-25 22:16:29 <Diablo-D3> and the size is going up
768 2012-11-25 22:16:38 <Diablo-D3> so either
769 2012-11-25 22:16:46 <Diablo-D3> this is exactly when bitcoin became popular
770 2012-11-25 22:16:51 <Luke-Jr> sipa: http://codepad.org/NpuMPFPJ
771 2012-11-25 22:16:52 <Diablo-D3> or this is when sdice came online
772 2012-11-25 22:16:55 <sipa> Amit_btc: full nodes can verify everything
773 2012-11-25 22:18:00 <D34TH> Luke-Jr, i'd go with workaround vs hack, otherwise the kids might get paranoid
774 2012-11-25 22:18:20 <Diablo-D3> so a little less than an hour in, and Im almost 2 thirds done
775 2012-11-25 22:18:56 <sipa> Luke-Jr: looks like a hack indeed, but should work
776 2012-11-25 22:19:23 <gmaxwell> What about crazy people who have deleted their index six times and having six copies of the chain? :P
777 2012-11-25 22:20:19 <sipa> gmaxwell: current code will append after the last used part
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779 2012-11-25 22:21:36 <Diablo-D3> so it took me 21 minutes to download the first half of the chain
780 2012-11-25 22:21:53 <gmaxwell> Diablo-D3: sounds about right.
781 2012-11-25 22:22:29 <Diablo-D3> so basically everything that happened in bitcoin... happened AFTER the first half
782 2012-11-25 22:22:37 <sipa> sure
783 2012-11-25 22:22:41 <Diablo-D3> lololol.
784 2012-11-25 22:22:59 <sipa> i remember we hit 100k blocks shortly after i learned about it
785 2012-11-25 22:24:29 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: a hack is a hack
786 2012-11-25 22:24:55 <Luke-Jr> and I just hacked the hack to try hard linking
787 2012-11-25 22:25:15 <sipa> ha!
788 2012-11-25 22:25:18 <sipa> ck!
789 2012-11-25 22:25:45 <Luke-Jr> ?
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791 2012-11-25 22:26:17 <sipa> the first was an exclamation similar to "aha!"
792 2012-11-25 22:26:40 <sipa> the second was an extention to turn it into hack
793 2012-11-25 22:28:13 <sipa> it would be interest to have sort of a block chain timescale
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795 2012-11-25 22:28:44 <sipa> where the first 2 years happen almost instantly, and things slow down when sd appears
796 2012-11-25 22:29:36 <Diablo-D3> okay its been an hour
797 2012-11-25 22:29:42 <Diablo-D3> 65% done
798 2012-11-25 22:30:11 <Diablo-D3> sipa: I think thats where shit slowed down
799 2012-11-25 22:30:13 <Diablo-D3> how old is sd?
800 2012-11-25 22:30:27 <Diablo-D3> because Im still 506 days out
801 2012-11-25 22:30:31 <Luke-Jr> http://codepad.org/78ScwVLW
802 2012-11-25 22:32:05 <Luke-Jr> sipa: phew, I was worried you were namecalling me Con Kolivas…
803 2012-11-25 22:33:15 <sipa> Diablo-D3: may 2012
804 2012-11-25 22:33:40 <Diablo-D3> okay so I havent hit sd yet
805 2012-11-25 22:33:48 <Diablo-D3> I only hit popularity
806 2012-11-25 22:33:54 <sipa> Luke-Jr: without the #define it wasn't hacky enough?
807 2012-11-25 22:35:20 <sipa> Diablo-D3: how many blocks do you have?
808 2012-11-25 22:36:47 <sipa> we can thank SD for about 1.4 GiB of blockchain storage
809 2012-11-25 22:36:53 <Diablo-D3> 137475, or 492 days
810 2012-11-25 22:36:59 <Diablo-D3> and I still ahvent hit 70k left
811 2012-11-25 22:37:17 <Diablo-D3> 80k left was at 4:57, its now 5:24
812 2012-11-25 22:37:36 <Diablo-D3> and space used is 702m, up from 432
813 2012-11-25 22:39:51 <Luke-Jr> sipa: I didn't feel like spending the effort to make an inline template for it
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815 2012-11-25 22:44:44 <D34TH> so is addnode going to be in rpc?
816 2012-11-25 22:45:00 <D34TH> i cant find it on the milestones page
817 2012-11-25 22:45:22 <Luke-Jr> D34TH: it's in next-test for a while
818 2012-11-25 22:45:37 <Luke-Jr> I'm about to push an update to that later tonight
819 2012-11-25 22:45:49 <D34TH> link?
820 2012-11-25 22:46:48 <Diablo-D3> shit
821 2012-11-25 22:46:54 <Diablo-D3> I missed the 70k mark
822 2012-11-25 22:46:56 <Luke-Jr> D34TH: https://bitcointalk.org/?topic=110898
823 2012-11-25 22:47:01 <Diablo-D3> 66k, 876m
824 2012-11-25 22:47:10 <Luke-Jr> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1549 is the code
825 2012-11-25 22:47:12 <Diablo-D3> sipa: how many days ago is may 2012?
826 2012-11-25 22:47:13 <Luke-Jr> for that specifically
827 2012-11-25 22:47:20 <D34TH> oh geez, what bdb are yoy using
828 2012-11-25 22:47:27 <D34TH> **you
829 2012-11-25 22:47:47 <Diablo-D3> D34TH: 4.8, why?
830 2012-11-25 22:48:03 <D34TH> that was directed toward Luke-Jr
831 2012-11-25 22:48:17 <D34TH> and because wallet
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833 2012-11-25 22:49:24 <Luke-Jr> D34TH: what bdb I use is my own business
834 2012-11-25 22:49:37 <Diablo-D3> oh
835 2012-11-25 22:49:56 <D34TH> just wanted to know, incase of the 5.3->4.8 thing
836 2012-11-25 22:51:19 <D34TH> meh screw it i made a backup
837 2012-11-25 22:52:56 <sipa> Diablo-D3: 200+something
838 2012-11-25 22:53:08 <Luke-Jr> D34TH: all windows binaries use 4.8; you'd have to try to change that
839 2012-11-25 22:55:21 <Luke-Jr> wtf
840 2012-11-25 22:55:30 <Luke-Jr> bitcoind is 50 MB and bitcoin-qt is 75 MB now?
841 2012-11-25 22:55:47 <sipa> stripped?
842 2012-11-25 22:56:35 <Luke-Jr> no, stripped is 6 MB for bitcoind
843 2012-11-25 22:56:41 <sipa> ok
844 2012-11-25 22:56:51 <Luke-Jr> but still…
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846 2012-11-25 22:57:14 <sipa> splitting up the rpc into separate files increased the file size
847 2012-11-25 22:57:14 <Diablo-D3> 60k ;eft, 975m
848 2012-11-25 22:57:23 <Diablo-D3> still 404 days
849 2012-11-25 22:57:53 <sipa> as it now needs that json lib multiple times, and it's all headers
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851 2012-11-25 23:06:13 <gmaxwell>  nm -a --demangle -t d --print-size --size-sort  bitcoind | less
852 2012-11-25 23:06:17 <gmaxwell> is fun
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855 2012-11-25 23:07:40 <Diablo-D3> 50k
856 2012-11-25 23:07:42 <Diablo-D3> 1.2gb used
857 2012-11-25 23:07:49 <Diablo-D3> 324 days
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859 2012-11-25 23:08:49 <sipa> you're at 160k... now you will start experiencing the true pain of bdb sluggishness
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861 2012-11-25 23:10:13 <Diablo-D3> I dunno, 70k left and then 80k left were the worst
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865 2012-11-25 23:24:13 <Diablo-D3> 40k left, 1.5g used, 266 days out
866 2012-11-25 23:28:08 <Diablo-D3> HOLY SHIT ITS SLOOOOOOOOOW
867 2012-11-25 23:28:20 <Diablo-D3> I think I just found where SD starts
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872 2012-11-25 23:54:11 <Diablo-D3> 30k left, 1.8gb used, 193 days left
873 2012-11-25 23:54:58 <Diablo-D3> and blk0002.dat hasnt appeared yet
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