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  2 2012-11-26 00:08:27 <sipa> duh
  3 2012-11-26 00:08:48 <sipa> sd started 211 days ago or so
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 12 2012-11-26 00:34:52 <Diablo-D3> lololol
 13 2012-11-26 00:34:55 <Diablo-D3> I went afk for supper
 14 2012-11-26 00:34:57 <Diablo-D3> still 26k
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 18 2012-11-26 00:47:18 <BlueMatt> sipa: saw that, it may be a bit before I get around to rebasing though...
 19 2012-11-26 00:48:08 <sipa> ;;bc,blocks
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 36 2012-11-26 01:29:24 <jgarzik> ;;bc,halfreward
 37 2012-11-26 01:29:25 <gribble> Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Wed Nov 28 13:46:00 2012 | Time remaining: 2 days, 20 hours, 30 minutes, and 0 seconds
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 73 2012-11-26 04:24:14 <jgarzik> hah!
 74 2012-11-26 04:24:16 <jgarzik> http://bitcoinclock.com/
 75 2012-11-26 04:24:23 <jgarzik> counting down to 25 BTC reward
 76 2012-11-26 04:27:44 <jgarzik> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=127604.msg1357522#msg1357522
 77 2012-11-26 04:27:50 <jgarzik> noooooooooooooooooo   "In fact, a new version of the draft is already with the IETF Secretariat that should be published in the next few hours that covers Tonal Bitcoin (TBC) by request of another user on this forum."
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 84 2012-11-26 04:52:05 <rex> c:\bitcoin-master\src>mingw32-make -f makefile.mingw mingw32-make: *** No rule to make target `leveldb/libleveldb.lib', needed by `ob j/leveldb.o'.  Stop.
 85 2012-11-26 04:52:51 <rex> I recompiled leveldb, now i'm trying to compile bitcoin
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 87 2012-11-26 04:55:22 <rex> I don't know how to solve this
 88 2012-11-26 04:57:52 <muhoo> tonal? bitcoin . oooh kaaay...
 89 2012-11-26 05:01:51 <rex> thanks for any help. it seems that target obj/leveldb.o needs leveldb/libleveldb.lib, but leveldb/libleveldb.lib is not generated...(don't quite understand this)
 90 2012-11-26 05:04:43 <rex> in folder bitcoin/src/leveldb, i managed to generate libleveldb.a libmemenv.a by TARGET_OS=OS_WINDOWS_CROSSCOMPILE make libleveldb.a libmemenv.a, there's no libleveldb.lib
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 99 2012-11-26 05:33:35 <rex> ok, i managed to build bitcoind.exe by replacing makefile.mingw line 100 obj/leveldb.o: leveldb/libleveldb.lib with obj/leveldb.o: leveldb/libleveldb.a. It builds successfully, but just can not run. error: Bitcoin: Error initializing database environment
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127 2012-11-26 07:27:35 <Diablo-D3> wrf
128 2012-11-26 07:27:38 <Diablo-D3> wtf
129 2012-11-26 07:27:42 <Diablo-D3> so I fell asleep in my chair
130 2012-11-26 07:27:50 <Diablo-D3> I assume bitcoin finished
131 2012-11-26 07:27:55 <Diablo-D3> it "ran out of disk space" in the ram drive
132 2012-11-26 07:27:57 <Diablo-D3> 4.8gb used
133 2012-11-26 07:28:00 <Diablo-D3> wtf did it do
134 2012-11-26 07:29:48 <Diablo-D3> 2gb blk0001, 1.6gb blk0002, 1.2gb blkindex.dat
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138 2012-11-26 07:33:44 <midnightmagic> is github bitcoin HEAD in midst of flux at the moment which is known to be unstable?
139 2012-11-26 07:33:57 <Diablo-D3> possibly
140 2012-11-26 07:34:11 <Diablo-D3> they're still trying to get this shit in order for 0.8
141 2012-11-26 07:34:15 <midnightmagic> i know about possibly. i mean known..
142 2012-11-26 07:34:29 <dparrish> i'll be happy when "bitcoind move" doesn't hang...
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144 2012-11-26 07:36:47 <Diablo-D3> okay so
145 2012-11-26 07:36:53 <Diablo-D3> stuff copied back out of ramdisk
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147 2012-11-26 07:36:59 <Diablo-D3> lets see where it left me
148 2012-11-26 07:37:12 <Diablo-D3> 206383
149 2012-11-26 07:37:14 <Diablo-D3> ;;bc,blocks
150 2012-11-26 07:37:15 <gribble> 209634
151 2012-11-26 07:37:24 <Diablo-D3> hah it segfaulted almost at the very end
152 2012-11-26 07:38:04 <Diablo-D3> 3333 blocks to go lol
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154 2012-11-26 08:00:40 <swulf--> has anyone noticed a deadlock with the 'move' command lately?
155 2012-11-26 08:01:17 <swulf--> in git head
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158 2012-11-26 08:05:15 <midnightmagic> ah thank you: full block hash in debug.log is very awesome and much appreciated. :)
159 2012-11-26 08:27:03 <thermoman> swulf--: this was fixed in git
160 2012-11-26 08:27:37 <thermoman> swulf--: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2009
161 2012-11-26 08:29:06 <thermoman> dparrish: ^
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164 2012-11-26 08:37:09 <dparrish> thanks!
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167 2012-11-26 08:50:42 <Diablo-D3> hrm
168 2012-11-26 08:50:43 <Diablo-D3> hey midnightmagic
169 2012-11-26 08:51:14 <Diablo-D3> whats your ~/.bitcoin/database/log.* number?
170 2012-11-26 08:51:16 <midnightmagic> hey
171 2012-11-26 08:51:23 <midnightmagic> hrm..
172 2012-11-26 08:51:29 <Diablo-D3> well, the highest
173 2012-11-26 08:51:33 <Diablo-D3> you probably have more than one
174 2012-11-26 08:51:54 <midnightmagic> 181
175 2012-11-26 08:52:01 <Diablo-D3> huh
176 2012-11-26 08:52:06 <Diablo-D3> I guess that number isnt portabl
177 2012-11-26 08:52:11 <Diablo-D3> *portable
178 2012-11-26 08:52:26 <Diablo-D3> Im on 753
179 2012-11-26 08:52:28 <midnightmagic> that is on the bitcoin instance where I'm tracking -current btw.
180 2012-11-26 08:52:36 <Diablo-D3> oh
181 2012-11-26 08:52:41 <Diablo-D3> erm
182 2012-11-26 08:52:59 <Diablo-D3> but leveldb doesnt use those files
183 2012-11-26 08:53:11 <midnightmagic> I have a "real" one with 366. but those are just db logs aren't they
184 2012-11-26 08:53:22 <Diablo-D3> write intent logs
185 2012-11-26 08:53:32 <Diablo-D3> or really, its a wall log
186 2012-11-26 08:53:37 <midnightmagic> so what do you mean they aren't portable?
187 2012-11-26 08:53:48 <Diablo-D3> well, Im on 753
188 2012-11-26 08:53:49 <Diablo-D3> you're not
189 2012-11-26 08:54:24 <midnightmagic> yeah so?
190 2012-11-26 08:54:45 <Diablo-D3> so you'd think doing the same things would produce the same numbers
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192 2012-11-26 08:55:12 <midnightmagic> seems to me the age is more a factor there..?
193 2012-11-26 08:55:34 <Diablo-D3> yeah, but wouldnt age drive it up?
194 2012-11-26 08:55:35 <midnightmagic> whoaaaaahhh   bedtime. :(
195 2012-11-26 08:55:44 <Diablo-D3> this is a brand new db
196 2012-11-26 08:55:47 <midnightmagic> yeah, and the other node is young.
197 2012-11-26 08:55:50 <midnightmagic> oh
198 2012-11-26 08:55:50 <Diablo-D3> had to redownload because fs fuckup
199 2012-11-26 08:55:58 <Diablo-D3> infact its not even done
200 2012-11-26 08:56:00 <Diablo-D3> 1442 blocks to go
201 2012-11-26 08:57:15 <Diablo-D3> how big are your blk files?
202 2012-11-26 09:00:30 <thermoman> the database log file numbers are not portable and are not important
203 2012-11-26 09:00:46 <thermoman> it's just an increasing number for the database journal
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213 2012-11-26 09:25:07 <t7> how many blocks 'til the change
214 2012-11-26 09:26:20 <t7> 2 days
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217 2012-11-26 09:47:04 <gribble> Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
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219 2012-11-26 09:48:12 <t7> price keeps going up :( why did i sell
220 2012-11-26 09:48:23 <t7> hopefully a big crash when reward drops
221 2012-11-26 09:48:34 <jeremias> speculation elsewhere plz
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246 2012-11-26 11:17:43 <sipa> midnightmagic: git head is quite stable now - there is one known bug (segfault...) that may occur if you leave it running for a long time and mine on it
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293 2012-11-26 13:08:33 <Ferroh> Is 0.7.99 using levelDB?
294 2012-11-26 13:09:38 <sipa> yes
295 2012-11-26 13:09:43 <Ferroh> awesome
296 2012-11-26 13:10:05 <sipa> but 0.7.99 doesn't really exist as a release, it's the internal version number used while we're working on 0.8
297 2012-11-26 13:10:12 <sipa> but current git head uses leveldb, yes
298 2012-11-26 13:10:20 <Ferroh> ok, that's what I was really asking
299 2012-11-26 13:13:01 <sipa> not only that, git head also uses a very different database layout, which doesn't require access to the full block chain during block/tx validation
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361 2012-11-26 15:10:05 <kjj_> are the values stored in the wallet.db documented anywhere?
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366 2012-11-26 15:26:47 <Jouke> hmm, backupwallet doesn't overwrite an existing file?
367 2012-11-26 15:30:15 * helo tests and sees that it does not
368 2012-11-26 15:31:01 <Jouke> right. Is that a bug or a feature? :)
369 2012-11-26 15:31:55 <helo> an error would be nice :/
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372 2012-11-26 15:36:17 <Jouke> Myeah, submitted a ticket just to be sure.
373 2012-11-26 15:40:04 <Luke-Jr> kjj_: whether they are or not, it'll probably change in 0.8
374 2012-11-26 15:40:16 <Luke-Jr> or 0.9
375 2012-11-26 15:41:17 <sipa> Luke-Jr: hardly, i think
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377 2012-11-26 15:41:50 <Luke-Jr> sipa: when append-only wallet format? :/
378 2012-11-26 15:42:02 <sipa> bip32 support probably just adds an extra field, append-only formay is just a drop-in replacement for bdb
379 2012-11-26 15:43:34 <Luke-Jr> o
380 2012-11-26 15:45:19 <sipa> it's just a key=value list with checksums basically
381 2012-11-26 15:46:05 <sipa> though there probably will be some change to the cwallettx serialization, to prevent those from being rewritten on every txout spend
382 2012-11-26 15:46:08 <denisx> sipa: and thats the last nail for the bdb coffin?
383 2012-11-26 15:46:18 <sipa> denisx: *YES*
384 2012-11-26 15:46:21 <denisx> yeah!
385 2012-11-26 15:46:37 <gmaxwell> denisx: we'll still have to have it around for upgrades and imports. Though perhaps it could be pulled into a seperate binary.
386 2012-11-26 15:47:27 <kjj_> Luke-Jr: just because we may upgrade doesn't mean that the old backed up files are going away
387 2012-11-26 15:50:21 <sipa> i'm certainly in favor of moving it to a separate binary
388 2012-11-26 15:51:13 <kjj_> I have a cron job that makes copies of my wallet files every night.  it would be REALLY nice to be able to suck all of the keys out of those and into a central repository
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390 2012-11-26 15:53:41 <Luke-Jr> a wallet conversion CLI tool that GUIs can invoke sounds ideal
391 2012-11-26 15:54:02 <Luke-Jr> kjj_: jgarzik has a pullreq for a simple HTTP encrypted wallet download builtin to the bitcoind server
392 2012-11-26 15:54:35 <sipa> i should try to get walletdump rebased and merged
393 2012-11-26 15:54:52 <kjj_> yeah, that came from a discussion we had about how the backupwallet RPC command didn't work like most people would expect
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395 2012-11-26 15:56:00 <BlueMatt> Luke-Jr: did you really need your own standard in ISO42170-A3 for tonal???
396 2012-11-26 15:57:07 <Luke-Jr> BlueMatt: more important than decimal
397 2012-11-26 15:57:56 <BlueMatt> yes, because you, as an individual, are more important than a few thousand bitcoin users...
398 2012-11-26 15:57:58 <Luke-Jr> certainly more than scamcoins
399 2012-11-26 15:58:05 <BlueMatt> well, that one may be
400 2012-11-26 15:58:11 <Luke-Jr> BlueMatt: what do I as an individual have to do with anythign?
401 2012-11-26 15:58:22 <BlueMatt> because you are the only one using tonal bitcoin
402 2012-11-26 15:58:28 <Luke-Jr> not quite.
403 2012-11-26 15:58:41 <BlueMatt> oh, did you finally find a second?
404 2012-11-26 15:58:54 <Luke-Jr> but I'm not going to waste time arguing; nothing productive can come from it
405 2012-11-26 16:00:47 <Luke-Jr> BlueMatt: your goals for Bitcoin and mine are different. different goals aren't a problem, so long as they're legal
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407 2012-11-26 16:02:46 <BlueMatt> Luke-Jr: fair, but getting it standardized as a separate currency doesnt make sense
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410 2012-11-26 16:04:01 <kjj_> my understanding is that ISO4217 includes a radix size
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415 2012-11-26 16:06:54 <kjj_> and it is really about documents describing currency transactions, rather than currency itself.  so, in a way it makes sense
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419 2012-11-26 16:22:26 <Luke-Jr> motion to make -printpriority work without -debug
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439 2012-11-26 17:41:50 <jgarzik> ;;bc,halfreward
440 2012-11-26 17:41:51 <gribble> Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Wed Nov 28 12:29:00 2012 | Time remaining: 2 days, 3 hours, and 0 seconds
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460 2012-11-26 18:51:15 <BitDev> hi all
461 2012-11-26 18:51:46 <BitDev> can some one help me
462 2012-11-26 18:52:57 <BitDev> if my client just started and haven't got any block header - how can i ask first block header? i think i must send getblocks packet - but what hash i must put in?
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464 2012-11-26 18:56:12 <BitDev> sipa can you help me?
465 2012-11-26 18:56:50 <sipa> you know the genesis block and its hash
466 2012-11-26 18:57:09 <sipa> you should not download the genesis block, but hardxode it
467 2012-11-26 18:57:32 <BitDev> ow, i must hardcode some block
468 2012-11-26 18:57:47 <BitDev> and where can i find this code?
469 2012-11-26 18:57:51 <BitDev> *hash
470 2012-11-26 18:59:34 <BitDev> i think it must be in sources, but in what file?
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472 2012-11-26 19:00:53 <maaku> `bitcoind getbalance` and `bitcoind getbalance \*` don't return the same value when there are immature coinbase transactions; is this a known issue/expected behavior?
473 2012-11-26 19:02:34 <gmaxwell> maaku: I was aware of it.
474 2012-11-26 19:04:07 <maaku> the fix is simple enough; i'll submit a patch
475 2012-11-26 19:05:35 <gmaxwell> I don't think it is— rather, I don't think the correct behavior is obvious.
476 2012-11-26 19:05:39 <BitDev> some one knows this genesis block?
477 2012-11-26 19:05:59 <sturles> Everyone know it.
478 2012-11-26 19:06:02 <gmaxwell> BitDev: are you asking about software you wrote?
479 2012-11-26 19:06:27 <BitDev> no, i am asking about hardcoded genesis block hash
480 2012-11-26 19:06:33 <BitDev> so i can get all others hashes
481 2012-11-26 19:06:50 <gmaxwell> Get the others using software you wrote. Right?
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483 2012-11-26 19:08:12 <BitDev> i writing my software and i want to get all blocks, but for this is need genesis hash to send in getdata packet
484 2012-11-26 19:08:55 <maaku> BitDev: it's at the top of main.cpp
485 2012-11-26 19:09:52 <BitDev> thnx!
486 2012-11-26 19:10:47 <BitDev> i found it ^)
487 2012-11-26 19:10:55 <maaku> gmaxwell: why is that? the comments in the code explicitly state that `getbalance` and `getbalance *` should always be the same (they aren't), and I don't see why they shouldn't have the same semantics
488 2012-11-26 19:11:13 <nibor_> http://blockchain.info/block-index/1/000000000019d6689c085ae165831e934ff763ae46a2a6c172b3f1b60a8ce26f
489 2012-11-26 19:11:51 <maaku> maybe it's not obvious whether getbalance should include immature blocks or not, but that choice should be the same whether you include the '*' or not
490 2012-11-26 19:12:00 <gmaxwell> maaku: making them the same is easy (eliminate the special case code so they're actually handled the same). But e.g. the handling of change / unconfirmed change, makes getbalance's correct behavior non-obvious.
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492 2012-11-26 19:12:28 <gmaxwell> maaku: Right, I agree with you— I'm just saying that this is only one way in which getbalance gives weird results.
493 2012-11-26 19:13:59 <Luke-Jr> next-test 2012-11-25: https://bitcointalk.org/?topic=127864
494 2012-11-26 19:14:30 <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: wow, you're a rebasing madman to get all that in.
495 2012-11-26 19:15:09 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: actually, only 5 of the non-disputed/abandoned ones need rebasing right now ;)
496 2012-11-26 19:15:20 <Luke-Jr> but yeah, some of them are annoying to merge
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499 2012-11-26 19:18:41 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: trying to prepare a master fork for Eligius to test now
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501 2012-11-26 19:21:00 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: my plan is to randomly choose between bitcoind 0.6.0, master, and bitsofproof for making the block, then BIP23-propose it to all of them
502 2012-11-26 19:21:10 <Luke-Jr> if any fail, log it and failover to whatever 0.6.0 gives
503 2012-11-26 19:21:29 <Luke-Jr> (or maybe just failover until one provides a working template)
504 2012-11-26 19:22:32 <Luke-Jr> https://gist.github.com/4149986
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506 2012-11-26 19:24:21 <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: what happened to the pull for the priority tweaking stuff. I recall we went off on shed painting but I forget where it ended up.
507 2012-11-26 19:24:49 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: it's still sitting there ready to merge: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1583
508 2012-11-26 19:25:08 <Luke-Jr> you asked for a rebase 3 months ago and I took 2 months <.<
509 2012-11-26 19:25:18 <gmaxwell> heh
510 2012-11-26 19:25:50 <sipa> probably less work than having it kept rebased the whole time :)
511 2012-11-26 19:26:14 <Luke-Jr> it's on my eligius checklist, so if you want to merge it now, let me know and I'll hold off on my eligius fork :P
512 2012-11-26 19:26:42 <Luke-Jr> (same goes for any on that gist)
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514 2012-11-26 19:27:11 <Luke-Jr> in fact, if you want to merge BlueMatt's addnoderpc, I'll even rebase that myself just to get it in
515 2012-11-26 19:27:18 <gmaxwell> I have my own patches to tend to first when I get a chance.
516 2012-11-26 19:27:36 <kjj> ooh.  it would be nifty if the RPC had commands for adding and removing connections
517 2012-11-26 19:27:43 <gmaxwell> wrt the addnode one, I'm still really unhappy about the remove semantics with hostnames.
518 2012-11-26 19:27:44 <Luke-Jr> kjj: that's what addnoderpc is
519 2012-11-26 19:28:13 <kjj> that's what I figured, that's why I was excited to see it
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521 2012-11-26 19:28:56 <sipa> i'd really just prefer a call that said "connect now to X"
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523 2012-11-26 19:29:26 <Luke-Jr> sipa: it does that too :p
524 2012-11-26 19:29:42 <Luke-Jr> addnode onetry|add|remove <hostname>
525 2012-11-26 19:30:03 <sipa> i'll have a look soon
526 2012-11-26 19:30:25 <gmaxwell> The thing I don't like about it is that if you remove <hostname> it resolves the hostname and then kills everyting it returns.
527 2012-11-26 19:30:36 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: it doesn't look like it does to me
528 2012-11-26 19:31:00 <Luke-Jr> vAddedNodes.erase(it);
529 2012-11-26 19:31:01 <gmaxwell> oh, well I thought it did. Been a long time since I looked at it.
530 2012-11-26 19:31:04 <Luke-Jr> oh
531 2012-11-26 19:31:14 <Luke-Jr> maybe before BlueMatt changed stuff based on your comments ;P
532 2012-11-26 19:33:18 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: did it ever do that? oh well, whatever
533 2012-11-26 19:33:39 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: maybe? we're talking about my memory here. It's not known to be very reliable.
534 2012-11-26 19:33:44 <Luke-Jr> XD
535 2012-11-26 19:33:49 <BlueMatt> heh
536 2012-11-26 19:33:55 <gmaxwell> I remember that there was something about the behavior I didn't like but also didn't see a clean way of fixing.
537 2012-11-26 19:34:10 <gmaxwell> But I might have also misunderstood it. (though IIRC, I did also try it out)
538 2012-11-26 19:34:20 <Luke-Jr> BlueMatt: should I pastebin the rebase so you can push it? :P
539 2012-11-26 19:34:20 <BlueMatt> yes, I remember a few of those, but I dont remember the what color the bike shed ended up on that pull...
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541 2012-11-26 19:35:27 <BlueMatt> Luke-Jr: feel free to post a link to your branch on the pull comments, but I may not push an update for a while (if anyone wants it they can manually pull...)
542 2012-11-26 19:36:03 <Luke-Jr> BlueMatt: I'd have to make the branch. I'll wait until someone wants it I guess
543 2012-11-26 19:36:10 <Luke-Jr> (right now, it's a diff of the merge into next)
544 2012-11-26 19:36:29 <BlueMatt> mmm
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556 2012-11-26 20:04:05 <jgarzik> Luke-Jr: I'm not understanding your github comments.  What GetMinFee(), DoS-related stuff was eliminated in __block__ acceptance?
557 2012-11-26 20:04:17 <jgarzik> seems like blocks accept whatever the miner stuffs in there, fees or so
558 2012-11-26 20:04:27 <jgarzik> *no
559 2012-11-26 20:06:05 <Luke-Jr> jgarzik: acceptance of transactions into blocks we create
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589 2012-11-26 20:55:14 <Luke-Jr> BlueMatt: when you get some time, gmaxwell suggests I include your Java full node thing in Eligius's round robin of block makers
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591 2012-11-26 21:00:29 <helo> you get you cycle through getting your blocks from different implementations?
592 2012-11-26 21:00:36 <helo> s/you get //
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594 2012-11-26 21:00:53 <Luke-Jr> helo: that's the plan
595 2012-11-26 21:00:58 <gmaxwell> helo: then he proposes the blocks to the other implementations to see if they're happy with them.
596 2012-11-26 21:00:59 <Luke-Jr> helo: setting it up with 0.6 and master now
597 2012-11-26 21:01:21 <helo> ahh, the proposing part ++
598 2012-11-26 21:01:26 <Luke-Jr> yeah, for testing the implementation
599 2012-11-26 21:01:42 <Luke-Jr> this way, if master or bitsofproof make blocks 0.6 rejects (or vice versa), we find out
600 2012-11-26 21:01:45 <Luke-Jr> without orphans :P
601 2012-11-26 21:02:02 <Luke-Jr> I should throw pynode in that mix too
602 2012-11-26 21:02:15 <Luke-Jr> but first I need to port to Python3 probably
603 2012-11-26 21:02:15 <helo> kind of vital to avoid forking badness if different implementations become popular, isn't it?
604 2012-11-26 21:02:19 <Luke-Jr> yep
605 2012-11-26 21:02:29 <Luke-Jr> that's why Satoshi was very opposed to third-party implementations
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607 2012-11-26 21:02:52 <sipa> does bitsofproof and bitcoinj have gbt?
608 2012-11-26 21:02:56 <sipa> *do
609 2012-11-26 21:03:08 <TD> no
610 2012-11-26 21:03:12 <Luke-Jr> sipa: bitsofproof has it on their near-term plan at least
611 2012-11-26 21:03:20 <sipa> yes, i know that
612 2012-11-26 21:03:31 <Luke-Jr> hence why I'm just doing 0.6 and master right now :P
613 2012-11-26 21:03:47 <helo> he's still kind of right, even with round-robin testing... just because past blocks wouldn't have caused a fork, doesn't mean future blocks won't
614 2012-11-26 21:04:01 <helo> but there's no way to prevent third-party implementations, so might as well mitigate what we can
615 2012-11-26 21:04:20 <Luke-Jr> helo: yes, but better to catch some bugs than miss them all
616 2012-11-26 21:04:34 <Luke-Jr> by using proposals, we catch them much faster and cheaper
617 2012-11-26 21:04:47 <Luke-Jr> since we DO catch future blocks
618 2012-11-26 21:05:17 <Luke-Jr> eg, if any implementation rejects the proposed block, Eligius just won't mine it
619 2012-11-26 21:05:54 <jgarzik> Luke-Jr: next-test sure does have a lot of pull requests from me, that I've long closed and abandoned...
620 2012-11-26 21:06:05 <Luke-Jr> jgarzik: I think I noted them as abandoned
621 2012-11-26 21:06:09 <helo> will it relay such blocks?
622 2012-11-26 21:06:19 <Luke-Jr> helo: I'm not doing anything special with block relaying.
623 2012-11-26 21:06:54 <Luke-Jr> jgarzik: I do check to be sure they should still work before merging them, of course.
624 2012-11-26 21:07:16 <jgarzik> Luke-Jr: not that I can tell, but then I do have red-green colorblindness, and followed-link browser coloring screws things up too
625 2012-11-26 21:07:27 <sipa> helo: only blocks accepted in the new best chain are relayed
626 2012-11-26 21:07:45 <Luke-Jr> jgarzik: the abandoned ones are grey, and at least in my browser, the colours override the followed-link one :/
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628 2012-11-26 21:08:25 <Luke-Jr> 1471, 1538, 1781, 1787
629 2012-11-26 21:08:40 <sipa> but are abandoned ones included?
630 2012-11-26 21:08:48 <Luke-Jr> sipa: in next-test, not next
631 2012-11-26 21:08:50 <jgarzik> sipa: yes
632 2012-11-26 21:08:54 <sipa> why?
633 2012-11-26 21:09:10 <Luke-Jr> sipa: doesn't hurt to test them
634 2012-11-26 21:09:12 <jgarzik> Luke-Jr: sipa's valgrinding also detected a problem with the header/body P2P split pull req
635 2012-11-26 21:09:46 <sipa> Luke-Jr: btw master may segfault when running for a long time and mining
636 2012-11-26 21:10:36 <Luke-Jr> sipa: good to know; I'll be sure to tolerate nodes being down I guess >_<
637 2012-11-26 21:11:34 <sipa> #2033 should fix that
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639 2012-11-26 21:11:48 <sipa> but only indirectly
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641 2012-11-26 21:13:42 <sipa> (the bug is lookup up amount/confirmations of outputs being spent in createnewblock, but apparently (and even on 0.7.x!) orphans can end up in the mempool
642 2012-11-26 21:13:59 <sipa> with non-existing outputs being queried
643 2012-11-26 21:15:18 <Luke-Jr> https://github.com/luke-jr/bitcoin/compare/0.8.0.eligius
644 2012-11-26 21:15:54 <Luke-Jr> I knew orphans could land in mempool before ;)
645 2012-11-26 21:17:29 <sipa> yes, i knew it could happen during reorgs
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648 2012-11-26 21:18:22 <sipa> but not because of succesful conflicting transactions
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651 2012-11-26 21:29:15 <Luke-Jr> sipa: bug report: bitcoin_test is initializing .bitcoin and blocks db
652 2012-11-26 21:30:52 <Luke-Jr> do I need to open a github issue? :P
653 2012-11-26 21:31:09 <sipa> hmm how did it prevent doing that in the past?
654 2012-11-26 21:31:32 <Luke-Jr> MockDB
655 2012-11-26 21:31:36 <sipa> the database should be memenv
656 2012-11-26 21:31:45 <Luke-Jr> LevelDB bug then? :/
657 2012-11-26 21:31:51 <sipa> doubtful
658 2012-11-26 21:31:52 <Luke-Jr> it also makes blk00000.dat
659 2012-11-26 21:32:34 <Luke-Jr> sipa: bug #2: read-only blk00000.dat starts; no idea where it'd put new blocks O.o
660 2012-11-26 21:32:51 <sipa> ?
661 2012-11-26 21:33:20 <Luke-Jr> err
662 2012-11-26 21:33:26 <Luke-Jr> I meant non-readable
663 2012-11-26 21:33:27 <Luke-Jr> ☺
664 2012-11-26 21:33:41 <Luke-Jr> bug #3: read-only blk00000.dat still fails to open :/
665 2012-11-26 21:34:02 <maaku> miner_tests.cpp -- anyone know who generated the blockinfo nonces?
666 2012-11-26 21:34:14 <sipa> is that master, Luke-Jr?
667 2012-11-26 21:34:38 <Luke-Jr> sipa: master-based, yes
668 2012-11-26 21:34:46 <Luke-Jr> maaku: I did.
669 2012-11-26 21:34:53 <sipa> Luke-Jr: can you test whether the problem is also in master?
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672 2012-11-26 21:36:23 <Luke-Jr> building…
673 2012-11-26 21:36:30 <sipa> Luke-Jr: i also don't understand your bug reports here
674 2012-11-26 21:36:37 <Luke-Jr> :/
675 2012-11-26 21:37:10 <Luke-Jr> bug #4: master segfaults test_bitcoin at least in this case
676 2012-11-26 21:37:12 <Luke-Jr> unknown location(0): fatal error in "CreateNewBlock_validity": memory access violation at address: 0x00000018: no mapping at fault address
677 2012-11-26 21:37:13 <Luke-Jr> test/miner_tests.cpp(58): last checkpoint
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679 2012-11-26 21:38:27 <Luke-Jr> ok, I'll go into more detail on github as I confirm them on master
680 2012-11-26 21:40:14 <sipa> i assuke somehow running test overwrote part of your blocks files
681 2012-11-26 21:40:28 <sipa> and that that broke normal ooeration
682 2012-11-26 21:40:34 <Luke-Jr> impossible ☺
683 2012-11-26 21:40:50 <sipa> ?
684 2012-11-26 21:40:51 <Luke-Jr> I run test automatically at every build, and I'm doing something silly-useful here in the first place
685 2012-11-26 21:42:25 <sipa> chmod -r what mode?
686 2012-11-26 21:42:50 <Luke-Jr> -r is the mode…
687 2012-11-26 21:43:02 <Luke-Jr> removes the read bit
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689 2012-11-26 21:43:28 <sipa> oh, confused with -R then, nvm
690 2012-11-26 21:45:36 <Luke-Jr> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/2039 is the big problem for me atm
691 2012-11-26 21:45:59 <Luke-Jr> as I want to hardlink blk0001.dat and blk0002.dat from my 0.6.0 client (running as a trusted user)
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693 2012-11-26 21:48:20 <sipa> i suppose it should just try opening the blockfile in ro mode when reindexing
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695 2012-11-26 21:50:23 <Luke-Jr> it does :/
696 2012-11-26 21:50:47 <sipa> ok, i'll have a look tonifght
697 2012-11-26 21:52:09 <Luke-Jr> wtf
698 2012-11-26 21:52:35 <Luke-Jr> OpenDiskFile interprets fReadOnly as "truncate the file"
699 2012-11-26 21:52:38 <Luke-Jr> how does this even work? :/
700 2012-11-26 21:53:02 <Luke-Jr> oh, it only tries to truncate if opening it for r+w failed
701 2012-11-26 21:53:08 <Luke-Jr> this is insane…
702 2012-11-26 21:53:54 <Luke-Jr> committed by sipa Aug 13 @ 7:11 PM
703 2012-11-26 21:53:56 <Luke-Jr> O.o
704 2012-11-26 21:54:03 * Luke-Jr was expecting a 2 AM commit there :P
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706 2012-11-26 21:56:43 <korozion> someone was telling me a while ago about ati cards and the drivers only supporting 4 cards on a single system
707 2012-11-26 21:56:57 <sipa> hmm, that just seems to prevent creating a new file if fReadOnly
708 2012-11-26 21:57:10 <sipa> not prevent opening it for writing or truncating
709 2012-11-26 21:57:16 <gmaxwell> korozion: they support 8 GPUs, thats 4 dual gpu cards.
710 2012-11-26 21:57:47 <korozion> OK cool, I just wanted to confirm
711 2012-11-26 21:58:00 <korozion> I was working on mining on Linux, changed to Windows to see if I could solve some problems
712 2012-11-26 22:00:25 <korozion> I think I only managed to get three cards working on Linux :(
713 2012-11-26 22:02:57 <Luke-Jr> sipa: the difference between rb+ and wb+ is truncating
714 2012-11-26 22:03:39 <Luke-Jr> korozion: you can workaround that 8 limit with a good motherboard too ;)
715 2012-11-26 22:03:46 <korozion> oh?
716 2012-11-26 22:03:47 <Luke-Jr> korozion: I run all my GPU miners in KVM instances
717 2012-11-26 22:03:54 <korozion> ahhh nice idea
718 2012-11-26 22:03:54 <Luke-Jr> with PCIe passthrough
719 2012-11-26 22:04:02 <Luke-Jr> my host OS is 100% open source
720 2012-11-26 22:04:30 <Luke-Jr> sipa: confirmed my pullreq fixes at least #2039
721 2012-11-26 22:05:05 <Luke-Jr> jgarzik: do you really need the debug.log for #2039 now that I've identified and fixed the problem? <.<
722 2012-11-26 22:05:57 <sipa> Luke-Jr: the reason was to avoid seeking to the end of the file, which a/a+ do
723 2012-11-26 22:06:06 <korozion> is 2000 mhash decent?
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725 2012-11-26 22:06:13 <Luke-Jr> bah! crash after reindex
726 2012-11-26 22:06:19 <sipa> i wanted "open rw, create if necessary, position at beginnen of file"
727 2012-11-26 22:06:27 <sipa> i think i just missed the readonly use case
728 2012-11-26 22:06:40 <Luke-Jr> sipa: rb+ positions at the beginning
729 2012-11-26 22:06:48 <sipa> yes, but doesn't create
730 2012-11-26 22:06:51 <Luke-Jr> no?
731 2012-11-26 22:07:03 <Luke-Jr> bah
732 2012-11-26 22:07:11 <Luke-Jr> ok, will fix
733 2012-11-26 22:07:14 <sipa> well, i didn't test that - fopen(3) mentions creating for w+ but not for r+
734 2012-11-26 22:07:59 <Luke-Jr> what should be the correct behaviour for "file doesn't exist, read only"?
735 2012-11-26 22:08:12 <sipa> return error
736 2012-11-26 22:08:19 <Luke-Jr> k
737 2012-11-26 22:08:45 <Luke-Jr> sipa: would you rather seek to the end, or have a race condition to truncate? :/
738 2012-11-26 22:08:59 <sipa> i suppose that the mess isn't worth it
739 2012-11-26 22:09:09 <Luke-Jr> ?
740 2012-11-26 22:10:09 <Luke-Jr> sipa: which one? <.<
741 2012-11-26 22:10:12 <sipa> seeking is easier, i think
742 2012-11-26 22:11:08 <Luke-Jr> hmm
743 2012-11-26 22:11:12 <Luke-Jr> seeking won't work.
744 2012-11-26 22:11:17 <sipa> ?
745 2012-11-26 22:11:17 <Luke-Jr> ugh, stupid fopen
746 2012-11-26 22:11:20 <sipa> i tried to avoid an unneccessary(?) seek, but probably mode="ab" + seek back to beginnen is easier
747 2012-11-26 22:11:28 <sipa> *beginnING
748 2012-11-26 22:11:40 <Luke-Jr> "The initial file position for reading is at the beginning of the file, but output is always appended to the end of the file."
749 2012-11-26 22:11:47 <Luke-Jr> *maybe* that works for us?
750 2012-11-26 22:12:18 <sipa> i have no idea how that would work, so i prefer not to touch it
751 2012-11-26 22:12:26 <Luke-Jr> yeah, sounds like a mess on its own
752 2012-11-26 22:12:39 <sipa> but ab is perfect, no?
753 2012-11-26 22:12:44 <sipa> apart from the seek to the end
754 2012-11-26 22:12:53 <Luke-Jr> can't read
755 2012-11-26 22:13:02 <sipa> oh, right
756 2012-11-26 22:13:05 <sipa> grrr
757 2012-11-26 22:13:13 <sipa> can't we just use open(2) ?
758 2012-11-26 22:13:29 <sipa> who designed that fopen interface
759 2012-11-26 22:13:44 <sipa> he deserves using edlin for the rest of his life
760 2012-11-26 22:13:48 <Luke-Jr> if we use open(2), we're platform-dependent for fdopen
761 2012-11-26 22:13:53 <sipa> of course
762 2012-11-26 22:13:53 <Luke-Jr> no kidding
763 2012-11-26 22:14:16 <jgarzik> Luke-Jr: huh?
764 2012-11-26 22:14:31 <sipa> we can't depend on open(2)
765 2012-11-26 22:14:38 <jgarzik> Luke-Jr: if you use fdopen, you do not use open, and vice versa
766 2012-11-26 22:14:42 <jgarzik> Luke-Jr: why not?
767 2012-11-26 22:14:44 <jgarzik> er
768 2012-11-26 22:14:46 <jgarzik> sipa: why not?
769 2012-11-26 22:15:09 <sipa> jgarzik: does that even exist on windows?
770 2012-11-26 22:15:13 <Luke-Jr> well, without rewriting all the stuff using OpenDataFile
771 2012-11-26 22:15:15 <jgarzik> sipa: yes
772 2012-11-26 22:15:43 * Luke-Jr is tempted to look at what we did in 0.7 and earlier and just compromise on that solution\
773 2012-11-26 22:16:04 <sipa> Luke-Jr: mode string being passed into OpenBlockFile
774 2012-11-26 22:16:06 <sipa> ugly!
775 2012-11-26 22:16:12 <Luke-Jr> sipa: yes, but what strings? :P
776 2012-11-26 22:16:38 <Luke-Jr> if "ab", then we might not need to worry about unreadableness
777 2012-11-26 22:16:59 <sipa> "ab", "rb", "rb+"
778 2012-11-26 22:17:10 <sipa> depends on call site
779 2012-11-26 22:17:14 <Luke-Jr> sigh
780 2012-11-26 22:18:29 <Luke-Jr> which site needed rb+?
781 2012-11-26 22:18:49 <sipa> jgarzik: do you know the exact interpretation of that explanation of a+ in fopen(3) ?
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783 2012-11-26 22:19:39 <Luke-Jr> jgarzik: you sure strerror's thread-unsafety won't be a problem?
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785 2012-11-26 22:20:11 <Luke-Jr> sipa: I wouldn't want to depend on platform-specific behaviour that goes against docs :/
786 2012-11-26 22:21:18 * Luke-Jr is tempted to just try "a+" and let someone report if that causes any problems he doesn't notice off-the-bat…
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788 2012-11-26 22:21:41 <sipa> a+ + seek-to-begin?
789 2012-11-26 22:22:51 <Luke-Jr> sipa: right
790 2012-11-26 22:23:34 <Luke-Jr> in other news, my crash during -reindex is caused by SetBestChain trying to FlushBlockFile and that not checking if the OpenBlockFile failed… can I just ignore failures there? <.<
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793 2012-11-26 22:24:50 * Luke-Jr wonders if fdatasync needs write mode
794 2012-11-26 22:26:51 <jgarzik> sipa: see, e.g., easy examples in our own levdldb source:
795 2012-11-26 22:26:53 <jgarzik> #ifdef LEVELDB_PLATFORM_WINDOWS
796 2012-11-26 22:26:53 <jgarzik>     int fd = _open(fname.c_str(), _O_RDONLY | _O_RANDOM | _O_BINARY);
797 2012-11-26 22:26:53 <jgarzik> #else
798 2012-11-26 22:26:53 <jgarzik>     int fd = open(fname.c_str(), O_RDONLY);
799 2012-11-26 22:26:53 <jgarzik> #endif
800 2012-11-26 22:27:18 * jgarzik wouldn't waste any more time on FILE*
801 2012-11-26 22:28:16 <jgarzik> Luke-Jr: <shrug> then use sys_errlist
802 2012-11-26 22:28:21 <jgarzik> which is also on all platforms
803 2012-11-26 22:28:35 <jgarzik> google for "windows strerror" for useful MSDN links
804 2012-11-26 22:29:24 <jgarzik> Luke-Jr: SetBestChain should know that it does not need to flush a read-only operation
805 2012-11-26 22:29:33 <jgarzik> my -reindex drilled down to that level, for that purpose
806 2012-11-26 22:31:11 <Luke-Jr> jgarzik: I don't see any evidence it knows it's read-only at all.
807 2012-11-26 22:31:16 <Luke-Jr> its only argument is a CBlockIndex.
808 2012-11-26 22:31:32 <Luke-Jr> although, the crash is only at the end of blk00000.dat it seems, so maybe that's related?
809 2012-11-26 22:32:49 <jgarzik> Luke-Jr: I did not say it -does- know.  I said it -should- know.  There is simply no block data being written, therefore it is not a "read-write" versus "read-only" situation; that is just a symptom of the file open mode.  The situation is "we can, and must write data" versus "we never touch that file at all"
810 2012-11-26 22:33:21 <Luke-Jr> hmm
811 2012-11-26 22:33:37 <jgarzik> Luke-Jr: SetBestChain simply should never know, nor touch, the block file in the -reindex case
812 2012-11-26 22:34:02 <jgarzik> Luke-Jr: See my old implementation; if a file number and position is passed in, a FILE* is never accessed.
813 2012-11-26 22:34:20 <jgarzik> Granted, maybe sipa requires read-only access in order to write the undo file.  I cannot say.
814 2012-11-26 22:34:52 * Luke-Jr uses fImporting <.<
815 2012-11-26 22:34:58 <Luke-Jr> it already special-cased fIsInitialDownload
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824 2012-11-26 23:04:07 <Luke-Jr> interesting, my fork got stuck on 188183
825 2012-11-26 23:06:45 <sipa> define stuck
826 2012-11-26 23:07:15 <Luke-Jr> sipa: it says 188184 is invalid
827 2012-11-26 23:07:19 <sipa> :o
828 2012-11-26 23:07:25 <Luke-Jr> going to bisect it of course
829 2012-11-26 23:07:39 <sipa> only your fork, or master too?
830 2012-11-26 23:07:44 <Luke-Jr> pretty sure master works
831 2012-11-26 23:07:47 <Luke-Jr> I'll recheck
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834 2012-11-26 23:12:03 <Luke-Jr> sipa: hmm, possible lack of pblocktree->Sync or view.Flush would do that?
835 2012-11-26 23:12:28 <Luke-Jr> ah crap, -printtoconsole stops debug.log too :<
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837 2012-11-26 23:13:37 <sipa> Luke-Jr: whenever you do a pcoinsTip->Flush(), you must first do a pblocktree->Sync()
838 2012-11-26 23:13:52 <Luke-Jr> sipa: yes, but I was skipping both while importing
839 2012-11-26 23:14:25 <sipa> that shouldn't be a problem, as you'd just be doing everything in RAM
840 2012-11-26 23:14:54 <Luke-Jr> the entire block chain to date can be done in RAM?
841 2012-11-26 23:15:09 <sipa> sure
842 2012-11-26 23:16:10 <sipa> the coin database is 130 MB in stored form... i suppose maybe 4x as large unpacked as CCoins objects in RAM
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849 2012-11-26 23:25:36 <sipa> ;;bc,blocks
850 2012-11-26 23:25:37 <gribble> 209731
851 2012-11-26 23:26:39 <TD> almost there
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853 2012-11-26 23:26:50 <Luke-Jr> hmm
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861 2012-11-26 23:34:54 <Luke-Jr> master reindex is good
862 2012-11-26 23:35:44 <Luke-Jr> now to make sure eligius fails on my dev system
863 2012-11-26 23:41:02 <jgarzik> Interesting description of Google Spanner database: http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/11/google-spanner-time/all/   Bitcoin relevance...  they have systems constantly trying to reach a consensus on time
864 2012-11-26 23:41:43 <sipa> bitcoin never reaches consensus
865 2012-11-26 23:42:51 <Luke-Jr> sipa: https://gist.github.com/4151354
866 2012-11-26 23:42:58 <Luke-Jr> but again, not on master
867 2012-11-26 23:43:24 <Luke-Jr> oh duh
868 2012-11-26 23:43:27 <Luke-Jr> I'm an idiot
869 2012-11-26 23:43:32 <Luke-Jr> that's a+
870 2012-11-26 23:43:41 <Luke-Jr> maybe
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872 2012-11-26 23:45:49 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: but all systems which are in one trust domain: boring.
873 2012-11-26 23:46:31 <sipa> and centralized
874 2012-11-26 23:46:57 <sipa> though not on a single machine
875 2012-11-26 23:47:01 <jgarzik> not really
876 2012-11-26 23:47:27 <jgarzik> they definitely have data center-wide failure / don't-trust handling
877 2012-11-26 23:47:52 <jgarzik> one data center is a trust domain, from the failure PoV
878 2012-11-26 23:48:32 <jgarzik> I wouldn't call it centralized from a time-keeping perspective
879 2012-11-26 23:48:47 <jgarzik> a global filesystem itself can be described as centralized of course
880 2012-11-26 23:49:05 <jgarzik> GPS's and data centers can and do go offline without impact
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882 2012-11-26 23:49:51 <sipa> i should read the spanner design doc again sometime :)
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885 2012-11-26 23:59:10 <jgarzik> http://research.google.com/archive/spanner.html